A trusted source got news from Sony saying that they will display two new cameras on Thursday April 23. No E-mount. And if the Sony roadmap is still valid also no A-mount cameras. So this has to be the new RX stuff. RX100m4 and/or RX1X or maybe something else not “rumored” yet? I certainly would love to get a medium format Sony camera and you? I know, my dreams sometimes go too far…
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It could be anything and can certainly be A-Mount. Could be a RX10 replacement also. Could be something new entirely.
I really hope Sony isn’t just going for “innovation” by sticking a 50mp sensor in the rx1. I’m sure a few will buy, but really what i’d love now is a photographer’s camera with all the great tech sony has been releasing. Rx1 with some kind of an EVF or just oriented to be more like a fuji x100 rather than a really cool piece of tech. One can hope :/. I’d gladly drop $3k, but i want a camera that works with me on taking good images by being the least in the way. I’m guessing its the reason Leica digital rangefinders are still even alive.
Sony 36mp sensor is better than 24mp.
So their new 50mp sensor may be better than their old 24/36mp sensor.
IF you do not need the 50mp, you can always choose to shoot in lower resolution.
and you can shoot in crop mode too, which is quite convenience sometimes.
but im guessing a 50mp sensor results in an overall slower shooting experience, just the required higher processing power etc. I’d just much rather prefer a camera with an optimal shooting experience rather than highest end sensor tech.
24MP sensor is worse due to OSPDAF. As we have seen over the past few iterations of sensors, a sensor with OSPDAF would be outclassed in IQ by a sensor without OSPDAF.
Coming back to 24 vs 36 mp discussion, Nikon D600 outperforms D800 at ISO200-ISO1600. Everywhere else they are the same. And then there is Sony A7s vs A7r…
I find the A7S to be the least ‘in the way’ camera I have ever used. I can shoot anywhere, anytime with just about any lens and I own a Leica.
Maybe there will be 2 RX1s !!!!
One with the curved sensor….one with the standard but high MP one.
Maybe the RX100m4 will be a 3rd camera with TWO versions…
One with 1080p ProRes and the other one with 4K XAVC-S 100mb/s
It should be next generation of RX100 (M_IV?) and RX10 (M_II?) and if it’s true – it is a good news, because both cameras are beautiful
I think it will be replacements for RX1/r and RX10. An RX10 replacement with a larger M43 sized sensor and 4K video, is much more likely than seeing that in a tiny RX100 sized body. Also the RX100M3 has not been around very long, and sold quite well.
I think the new reincarnation of RX1 will damage the sells of A7 series, so just because of marketing reasons I wouldn’t expect their continuing
Giving the price of the RX1 I don’t think it is a real compatitor to the A7x line
A7 + 35mm lens ≈ RX1 in terms of prices
I was actually wondering why anyone would pick a RX-1 over an A7ii. Maybe the leaf shutter is important?
Size & Weight. They are completely different.
It seems the RX-1 is about 3oz. lighter than the A7ii with the 35f2.8, and about 1 oz. than the A7 with the 35. The difference in size is basically the evf, grip, and stabilization in the case of the A7ii. I don’t classify that as completely different, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
If Sony would put on A FF emount series the EVF on a NEX-7 like position, the differences in size would be so small, that the current RX-1 advantage is lost. And you CAN change lenses, if you want.
I have both cameras. RX1r & A7II, and had the A7r before. Just hold one in each hand, even with the smallest of all the lenses, and even though the specs may show only a small difference in weight, holding both cameras will convince you that they can not really be compared. I suppose it is a personal thing, but the main reason I switched from Nikon a few years ago, was for the size and weight advantage, not for any IQ gain. Saying that though, I did buy an RX100M3, but only kept it for a short time, as I did find that it was just too small. The RX1 is the perfect size / quality ratio, and I hope that any replacement does not add too much heft.
I’m more interested in an rx1 because I don’t like the glass Sony has to offer for the a7. 35 and done in a more compact package is better for me than getting into yet another lens family where all the native options leave me disappointed.
compactness and IQ due to matched lens-body configuration
Im guessing the exact same thing. The RX10 is getting beat by the Panny FZ1000. If they throw a new MFT sensor in a “RX20”, that would be a game changer for that market. That should spank Lumix pretty hard on their FZ1000
Yo SAR…. How sure is the rumor regarding the manufacturing and release of the A7R II before the end of June? I really need some A7R (preferably A7R2) before the end of June! 🙂
I will kill the trusted source if he is wrong 🙂
Wait til mid May!
Killing is sin
Thanks for the reminder.
Exactly…
tell no one! it’s a secret: one of the two is QX media format camera and they developing new lens especially designed for that QX: 35-150 f1.4, that will be released late this year on Saint’s Never day 😉
aaaand i’m not kidding!
…it’s just a joke 🙂
Äääähm – did I miss something?
The DI row shows new A7, new A6000 and new RX series, what actually makes minimum three cameras, and you write it is just two cameras and no E mount?!?!?
A7rII and A61000 are going to be announced in May.
Ah. Then I am very curious about what they are going to present
So, was all about A7000 a trash? If not and Sony is going to bring A7000 too this year, how they will differentiate it vs A6100? I just though Sony may want to see first what X-Pro2 will be before A7000 releasing… can it be a case?
Well then, if the ‘roadmap is still valid’ then we will only see one RX camera then?
So we’ll wait (again) until May.
where is A7000?
all the previous a7ii and a99ii rumors came and passed and still nothing happens in over a year. Rumors are kinda pointless now unless Sony comes out and announce the cameras.
Sony must get it totally right with the A7rII or it might not get a second chance. It seems that the beast has awaken :
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/04/20/new-nikon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-on-the-horizon.aspx/
A rangefinder style mirrorless camera without an EVF a real contender for the Sony? And what about the lenses? Does Nikon have enough lenses to make it work? Or will they make the same mistake as Pentax did with their k-01?
I don’t think that, when this rumor is true it is a big contender to Sony. Rmember that Sony has a patent for a FF camera in the Nex 5 style, that camera will be a lot smaller then the Nikon and probably a lot cheaper too (nikon is not known for their low prices look at the Nikon 1)
If its an F-mount, Nikon obviously has the glass. Sony should be worried because its sad E-mount lineup would get completely crushed.
I bet it’ll have an EVF. This won’t be a cheap entry level camera. Its about time someone else entered the mirrorless FF space.
“Sony has a patent for a FF camera in the Nex 5 style” – ??
So Canon violated that patent with EOS-M 🙂
EOS-m is not a FF camera.
On the other hand, there are always patent workarounds, or licensing. Heck, that patent smells like standard essentials, which would force Sony to license it to others, and for fairly cheap.
I’ll be happy with a pentax k1000 sized mirrorless even if its thick.
I like the “mirrorless / mirrorless-styled” description. It is an F-mount camera, so this smells like Nikon Df all over again. A viewfinderless Nikon Df with standard F-mount is exactly the kind of nonsense I’ve come to expect from Nikon (and this is coming from a decade-long Nikon user).
A mirrorless camera with a legacy DSLR mount and flange distance is immediately compromised. It will not have the flexibility of a short flange distance mount included as part of a system that is built to be mirrorless from the ground up.
You will never see a Nikon F-mount camera less than 2.5 inches thick.
Honestly I was upgrading from my Fuji system to a DSLR because of its awful ergonomics. I have always wished for a DSLR style mirrorless. If one looks for compact, RX1 is the way to go but I doubt “compact’ is anything meaningful in the FF MILC world due to the weight and size of fast FF lenses. Leica is an exception though it is not a conventional system.
That’s what I mean by flexible. Of course a DSLR style mirrorless will be desirable to some people, myself included, but you’ll never see something like the A7 / FE 35/2.8 combo in F-mount. That’s the problem with lack of flexibility in using a legacy mount.
The counterargument has always been egronomics, but there’s nothing preventing Sony to build an E-Mount camera with a large grip from A99. The thickness of the camera body is not a part of what’s included in egronomics discussion. Sony can make A7III with A99 grip and a lens with the thickness of SEL16F28, all the way to the lens similar to SAL300F28G, and both would be just as comfortable on such a mythical camera, as they are on a standard DSLR.
However such a pancake setup as mentioned above would not be possible on any DSLR mount, due to the large mount registration distance.
Canon has the right idea with EOS-M.
But all that is just hypothetically speaking…
Few of the biggest reasons why I haven’t switched from A-Mount to E-Mount yet are:
1) No proper grip
2) Missing 85/2.8 prime (same size as 35/2.8)
3) The “Drive By Wire” Manual Focus with horrendous lag!
4) Overall quality of lenses is sub-par. There are a few gems, but for the most part, each lens has either one or combination of the three – high distortion, high chromatic abberation and very low corner sharpness wide open.
At this point I can’t see any lens in E-Mount being good enough to replace my A-mount 16-50/2.8. As for now, it’s not worth it for me to make a switch.
The Samsung NX100 is a good example of mirrorless given dSLR ergonomics.
Fixing mirrorless egonomics is easy. Catching up to the lens selection offered for a Canon or Nikon dSLR… that’s much harder.
Samsung NX = 25.5mm and Nikon F = 46.5mm.
The Nikon body will be almost 1 inch thicker always. And add a lens to that. Sure, Nikon would be able to make a DSLR sized mirrorless camera, but they would not be able to make a rangefinder sized mirrorless camera. Its like making A-Mount mirrorless for the sake of doing it. There will be no benefit at all, except for not having a slapping or light-sucking mirror. The rest are drawbacks. And lenses? What lenses? Last I heard there were rumors about Nikon making new lenses specifically to work with mirrorless. Talk about an entire lens selection being close to useless, just like A-Mount lenses on E-Mount.
The Samsung NX1 (Imeant NX1) is APS-C, and isn’t that much thinner than other APS-C dSLRs. Take a look:
http://j.mp/1zI2y5p
Practically the same size.
As to making the A-mount mirrorless — Umm, they kinda already did that. They took out the flipping mirror, and now it has the SLT mirror SOLELY for the purpose of driving a separate AF module. If they had good on-sensor AF for legacy lenses, then there would be absolutely no reason for the mirror whatsoever.
So basically.. mirrorless F-mount, would equal what the A-mount has now become — an EVF driven dSLR with great live view. Without the light loss of an SLT mirror. This all assumes they can use on-sensor AF effectively with older lenses. (The Nikon 1 series + adapter does drive their F-mount “G” lenses with pretty good speed).
I think you’re missing my point… I’m not saying that mirrorless can’t be made as big as a DSLR. Quite the opposite. I’m saying that a camera with a legacy DSLR mount can’t be as small as a short-flange mirrorless. Thats pretty much the gist of my argument.
And I’m not disagreeing with that point. I’m saying there are other selling points of mirrorless besides small size.
Oh sure, no doubt about that. The size argument was merely to make a point on various possibilities in making camera bodies. If Nikon can make their entire lens system work on large sensor mirrorless camera, then it will be a very interesting option.
My goal is to have A99 sized E-Mount camera as well as A6000, all using the same mount and the same set of lenses. If Nikon can produce both, with A6000 equivalent being what @littlecam:disqus has posted in a picture above, then Nikon would have the most versatile mirrorless system on the market today. Given that they can make all their existing lenses work fast. Nikon 1 isn’t a good example of speed, due to a smaller sensor with a much larger DOF.
Yes, it will have a very different compromise than a “ground up” system. A “ground up” system makes the compromise of starting with an immature lens lineup, and will likely never catch up fully. Is full compatibility with someone’s existing lenses, and full compatibility with dozens of first part lenses, worth a little extra thickness? To many, this would be a compromise well worth making.
Are we talking about the Nikon rumor today? They say their mirror less full frame will be F mount but OVF. Now that…that is interesting.
Actually, the rumor is no VF at all. So a5000/eos-m, etc… But what type of enthusiast would want a full frame camera without any VF. I don’t put much stock in any part of the rumor.
I see, that would explain that then. Using an F mount though- I can see that happening.
Not necessarily – they could add a fixed mirror – and maybe even use it for IBIS:
Interesting Idea. Sensor could still be moved for IBIS though with mirror remaining static.
What’s the source of these?
The source? Just thinking and imagination!
But I am not sure if a moving mirror can do IBIS without losing focus.
Nice idea. Asking for the source, cause it’s a radically different approach to current IBIS.
The mirror can be moved, but the movement will be much more complex than just moving the sensor. The mirror would have to move in a curve. Also Roll is not possible with mirror stabilization, and the other 4 would require high sturdiness and extreme precision, since any mirror movement will be amplified by the distance between mirror and the sensor(telephoto effect).
Edit: I take that back. Yes there will be a loss of focus.
Agree – can not be used for IBIS. Not even a single axis!!
Ridiculous idea, you mean. Why would you want your final image reflected off of a mirror? Setting aside the fact that it would be another surface to collect dust, even the finest mirror you can come up with has some level of roughness and waviness that will induce scattering.
Actually a good idea. Its a solution to a problem, on how to make an F mount body smaller. The practicality of such solution is a different story. Almost any idea stirs up discussion in a technological community and leads to more ideas. Some of which provide a positive outcome.
Dust on the mirror is not at problem. It is too far away from the sensor and the light is not yet focused. It is maybe more a problem than dust on the front-lens, but not a big one at all.
A don’t know how fine mirror can be produced. That is not my profession. But I estimate it is on a similar level as a lens element can be. The loss of light should be 0.1% – 5%. But I think for that small and expensive mirrors it is on the 0.1% end.
It’s only two days away. It’s easier to just wait and see rather than waste time wildly speculating, at this point.
The fun is IN the speculation …
The fun is in the owning and using.
Speculation is pointless when the truth will be known in less than 48 hours.
I am looking forward to the announcement.
Everyone has different priorities, but most people visiting a “rumors” site would most certainly enjoy reading rumors and speculating themselves. Not always true about actually using the cameras they are talking about.
I’m with you. Part of the excitement is the unknown.
yeah but the fun is over when its like running in circles. the rx, medium format, high megapixel rumor song is so old now and nobodys giving us the next verse.
emount and amount death in april again 😛
After April, there will be no mount to speak of.
No mount is THE mount.
No one has mentioned it being a completely new mount. Could happen!
No E-Mount!?
*kicks a puppy*
no A-mount
*kicks and old dog*
… just kidding I like dogs
The future is no mount.
*kicks hippo…then runs*
Lame Sony, lame!
Where is A7000?
Where is A7RII with no shutter shock and shitty raw compression?
I’m holding out hope that an A-mount is coming. Almost been a full year since the last A-mount.
A true A850 replacement is long long overdue — likely will never come.
A true A57/65 replacement is long overdue (the A58 was really a A37 replacement).
An A58 replacement is slightly overdue — even for bottom level entry level, it is looking stale.
And an A99 replacement is due. (How are they still charging $1999 for the A99??? the same price as the much newer D750?!? $1100 more than the A77ii for about a half stop of IQ difference?)
Only the A77ii can truly be called a “current” model.
+1
I’d love an A65 replacement. Although I might actually upgrade to A77II or grab a used A99, having more options is never bad.
+2 since you already got a plus one. The price of the A99 is laughable at this point. It should be 1500.00. This Sony suicide has got to stop.
The A58 replaced the A57, but was stripped down some features. The A37 was much smaller, so that is a different line.
The A99 has features the D750 lacks.
Anybody whoever shot with the a57, knows the a58 is a major downgrade. It’s a base entry level camera, the a57 was mid level.
I have shot with both the a99 and d750. You can compare any 2 cameras and say that each has some features lacking in the other. The articulating screen and 1/8000 max shutter speed in the a99 does not make up for other deficiencies (comparatively poor AF and low light performance. Lack of ISO customization, etc).
Two days out and no actual souced rumor of specs? It takes Julian Assange to get a roadmap with no A7000? Sony Legal has gutted this site, it is all marketing and no information just like you’d expect if Sony owned this website. I pine for the good old days when there was some good fun in reading tea leaves, now it is all informationless posts and emotional (wishful or aggrieved) comments. If I wouldn’t entirely miss all sony announcements (as I have never seen one other than on this site) I doubt I’d bother reading SAR any more. Surely not the fault of our intrepid and loyal admin, to whom I wish all the best, but SAR just isn’t much fun anymore…
“no mount” is the message for so long time now.
This is great and I’m excited but I have a problem right now. Dude on ebay hasn’t paid me yet for my camera. Need some cash to stuff in thee ol’ war chest if you catch my drift. New cammy cam costs money. So it’s been almost four days. Let it go a few more or can I relist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZomwVcGt0LE
Calm down there sputnik..it’s coming. Soon enough all shall be revealed. Just some last minute fairy dust their still cramming in there.
A mount, where is you?