We got rumors about two new Sony Full Frame cameras. The A7rII is rumored to come very soon while the second 50MP camera release timing is yet unclear:
1) The Sony A7rII Full Frame E-mount camera (with the same A7II 5 axis stabilization and improved autofocusing). Shipment in May-June. I am yet not sure about the sensor but so far I “believe” it uses the same or tweaked version of the current 36MP sensor. But that’s just my “feeling” and not a “rumor” coming from sources.
2) The official Canon 5Ds competitor! A new 50 Megapixel Sony camera using a new Sony sensor (not the Canon 5ds sensor). It is yet unclear if the new 50MP camera is the long time rumored A9 PRO E-mount camera or the new A-mount camera flagship. I actually hope Sony is thinking to release both at the same time…but that’s again just a wish of mine and not a rumor.
The A7rII is rumored to come in a special April (or at last May) announcement. The second 50MP cam release date is yet unconfirmed. For now sources could nor confirm or deny if there will be also some RX and APS-C E-mount camera announcement. I can add that almost certainly we will have new 4K camcorders. More about that soon on SAR.
Some behind the scene rumors: The new Sony 50MP camera is said to “easily OUTPERFORM” the Canon 5ds camera in terms of image quality at low ISO.
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Andrea, Is Sony still intending to introduce a none Bayer sensor in either FE or A mount this year or has the project been delayed or cancelled?
not canceled. But I don’t knwo whent he first camera with such sensor will come. Don’t think it’s coming with the 50MP camera…
Thank you for your reply, and I await the specs for these cameras in the run up to their announcement.
Any word on RAW compression? If there’s going to be an IQ monster, Sony should really fix their RAW compression algorithm.
no info. Only Sony Japan top-managers know the specs yet.
Confess!
Your “announced” workaround is to bug sonys headquarter on carpet level and meeting rooms! 😉
They definitely should provide the option for lossless, uncompressed RAW. If not, it really will be shocking and disappointing. They also need to resolve the shutter vibration issue. If they address both of those issues, the A7r ii should be a very nice camera.
A7rII with PDAF or not? Also, video features would be great to know (XAVC-S and slog2).
Thanks
any specs of the new 50MP sensor? I hope they considered rangefinder lenses while designing it… A7 with a high resolution/high dynamic range sensor working with wide Leica M lenses would be my LAST camera, seriously 🙂
I seriously doubt it, why would they focus on a tiny segment of the market who are never going to buy any lenses (or, like you, never upgrade their camera body)?
Find the error:
– “Sony to announced”
– “Both cameras are rumored to comes”
You forgot: “The two new Sony Full Frame camera”
Fixed 😉
The writer is Italian. He is doing well. We understand what he means.
Hehehe, Actually I am not 🙂
I speak it but my mother tongue is German.
Ricordati che essere del Sud Tirolo significa essere italiani, indipendentemente dalla lingua (o dialetto tedesco) che parli…
Non vivo in Sudtirolo 🙂
Ok…Switzerland, perhaps, now living in a francophone part?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumantsch_Grischun
He lives in a Romansh speaking area? Cool! My school Latin teacher claimed it was the living language closest to Latin…
I could swear you just wrote that you live in Belgium, but now it’s gone!
Svizzera tedesca allora: anche il loro o tedesco è diverso da quello “ufficiale” della Germania. Con l’Austria vicina… Se 2+2 fa ancora quattro…. Hahahaha Altrimenti sono a corto di idee! 😀
Solo dal 1918
Sony Headquarters, Japan 🙂
Wow, football must mean soccer to him then.
Fixed! Thanks!
My thoughts. An A mount version with 50Mp is not going to sell in volume – lack of suitable lenses that can dissolve 50Mp. Only FF E with 5 axis stabilisation and fast AF will gain traction against Canon5d 50Mp. An A9 FF E that can outperform 5d on ISO and DR would still potentially atttract Canon shooters looking for ultimate image quality attained through the use of “best of class” lenses regardless of brand. Even if converter reduces AF speed, most 50Mp users would put ultimate image quality over AF. They are not going to shoot football with such a camera. An A99 50Mp would be a vanity project in my humble opinion.
Lack of lenses? What a BS!
The updated zooms will probably cut it, but I’d be amazed if the likes of the 35/1.4 can deliver
My guessing:
The new A7RII will be the old A7R sensor in the A7II costume. Possibly EFCS, but no OSPDAF.
The 50Mp monster will be presented as the new A99II. Vertical grip will be integrated in the body design.
The new flagship E-mount A9 camera will come by the end of this year, and it will have the 50Mp sensor. Dual memory card slots and dual battery compartments. It will also feature a weather proofing worth the name.
The A7SII will be on hold for a while, since it is kind of a specialty camera, and I believe it is still selling well over expectations.
The 5Ds competitor will likely NOT be the A99II, because there is no way an SLT camera will be able to compete high-ISO wise. This is likely the A9 instead, if the rumors prove to be accurate at least.
If we’re taking competition (as in something people who are looking at a 5Ds might seriously consider buying instead), it’s the a9. The a99ii is going to have very limited appeal to people who don’t already own a-mount kit.
I am really excited for the A7R II. I almost switched from the A7R back to a DSLR (D750) but will wait and see if Sony worked out the kinks in the A7R ie shutter & autofocus.
Sounds a little too perfect. They will figure a way to screw it up somewhere along your guesses 😉
Yeah, maybe it came out more like a wish list than an actual guess list. 🙂
The PRO camera should be about build, speed and features, not about MP. So many MP are counter-productive if one can’t always put the camera on a tripod and take time to achieve perfect focus.
Like the Hasselblad H3/H4, PhaseOne 645DF & IQ series backs, or are those not “PRO” cameras?
He’s probably thinking of pro sports/wildlife/photojournalism cameras, not pro studio cameras.
Exactly. In fully-controlled scenarios like landscape and studio settings, the a7R already shines. But for those people who need to “nail” the shot in uncontrollable and variable conditions, a DSLR is still the best choice. So yes, I would say that a flagship a7 model should convince first and foremost in this respect.
I just want an A7s with internal 4K recording… please sony pleasseeee
Yes!
and with IBIS and we’ll never need another camera.
I want A6, FF with all features of A6000
Seriously. All Sony has to do is stuff the A6000’s AF into a FF sensor, and I’m there, no questions asked.
Add 4 items:
*IBIS
*Touchscreen
*Audio / Microphone Jack
*Bigger handgrip like A7II (in that direction size does not matter, because of lenses)
Definitely touchscreen.
I would like a flip out screen like the Nikon D5500 and Canon T5i.
FF FF FF again, I want APS-C camera’s ,my wallet is not deep enough for ALL that FF stuf !!!!
FF is the new APS-C, get used to it.
…which was the new FF when digital era started…
I have a hard time believing that an SLT camera will be able to perform better (high-ISO wise) than mirrorless or traditional DSLR cameras. At least it hasn’t been able to in the past. I don’t think this will be the A99II, more likely the A9.
I have high hopes Sony will bring a well refined camera for the average user: excellent color reproduction, good high iso, DR, 24MP is good enough. This rumored 50MP might be good for some and for some who suffer from GAS but not for the mainstream.
Err… that camera already exists. It’s called the A7II.
Sales of current MILC models in the store where I work:
Epic success:
Olympus E-M5 II
Olympus E-M10
Panasonic GH4
Panasonic GM1
Samsung NX1
Sony A7
Sony A7 II
Sony A5000
Sony A5100
Sony A6000
Success:
Canon EOS M3
Fujifilm X-T1
Olympus E-PL7
Panasonic GM5
Panasonic GX7
Samsung NX500
Samsung NX3000
Sony A7R
Sony A7S
Moderate sales:
Fujifilm X-E2
Nikon 1 AW1
Nikon 1 J4
Olympus E-M1
Sony A3000
Fail:
Fujifilm X-M1
Fujifilm X-Pro1
Leica M (Typ 240)
Leica M-P (Typ 240)
Olympus E-P5
Samsung NX mini
Samsung NX30
Epic fail:
Fujifilm X-A2
Hasselblad Lunar
Leica M Monochrom
Leica M-E (Typ 220)
Leica T (Typ 701)
Nikon 1 S2
Nikon 1 V3
Panasonic GF7
Pentax Q-S1
Samsung Galaxy NX
Sony QX1
If you’re talking about success, does that relate to simple numbers, basic revenue generated, or profit margin?
I think you may be able to judge relative success of a number of those cameras you list, but I think the Leicas and Hasselblad fall outside of your analysis.
It’s based purely on number of units sold, so it doesn’t take profit into account. However, market shares are calculated based on sales volume, not revenue or profit, so simple sales numbers aren’t entirely without interest.
I admit that the choice of words (success, fail) may have been slightly inaccurate.
I am surpised to see the A5000 selling that well.
It’s a great camera for the money
Yes it’s a good camera. But still surprised because it’s not “pushed” by marketing as the A6000 and A7 series.
To be fair, they don’t market any of them hard in the UK (or at all, to be honest).
The budget models, despite the Internet bluster, will almost always be the top sellers.
Yes, it’s quite apparent, even here in Sweden, that average joe goes for the cheapest offerings.
Wait till you see A3000 being in the same range as Nikon 1 and X-E2….
Certainly some interest, but I’d have left the two makes mentioned out of it as they work to entirely different measures.
Are these listed in some kind of order within these lists? Are these taken over a week, day, month, year, since launch, during launch week, peak week/day/month etc etc?
It’s obviously alphabetical by category.
EOS M3? You must be kidding.
They see canon….they buy it….brand perception?!?
My son’s buddy works at Best Buy. He says they can’t keep the A6000 in stock. Easily best selling camera (at least at his store).
What is your point?
Canon EOS M3 hasn’t even been released yet.
Are those preorders?
Now bring on the APS-C releases!!
Two Cameras. That means A7R mk II, and maybe A7S mk II that will be called A9.
Or maybe the A7s mk II is in fact a A99 mk II with Z shift sensor. And then the A99 mk II will be called A9
Nope.
He’s right. He’s always right.
He knows everything.
The next a mount pro-camera will not be an SLT but an SLR
Sony already burned those bridges…
What will it be?
“said to “easily OUTPERFORM” the Canon 5Ds”
Given how much pixel peeping goes on with any new sensor and the endless arguments that ensue, I doubt that any possible superior performance could be categorised as ‘easy’, or obvious.
Once you get into the realms of 50Mp then the detail (allowing for lens quality) is likely to be astonishing from any manufacturer and slight differences in sensor performance will, to all extents and purposes, be irrelevant.
As has so often been said, though, the real test will be in handling and AF (both speed and quality). Handling I’m more than happy with, although AF is one area where Sony have some way to go to match Canon, unfortunately.
I expect in the area of dynamic range and high ISO that Sony will easily outperform Canon, as Canon isn’t too great in those areas.
Again, it may well be something that might look of significance on a DXOmark chart, but in the real world it will be minuscule and far from ‘easy’.
I doubt there will be any pros who will have their work rejected because the buyer thinks they don’t have enough DR, or too much noise, in their shots because they work with a Canon!
http://s28.postimg.org/pj5vf4wgb/2015_03_19_203223.jpg
Pixel-peeping test charts, maybe, but as I said, in the real world to suppose that the Sony sensor will ‘easily outperform’ that of Canon is like suggesting the Bugatti Veyron easily outperfoms the Lamborghini Huracan.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m delighted the Sony’s do so well, having been a user since day one, but let’s get some perspective instead of the silly fanboy boasting.
Actually the difference is quite easy to see in a high contrast image, the Canon sensor lacks shadow detail. And in post processing; attempts to restore shadow detail result in banding and noise.
They won’t have it rejected because the buyer has no chance to compare the results to shots taken with different equipment.
Let the guy take the same photos with a second system and same post processing and the customer will be way more critical and probably choose the better results, not the brand.
It is clear to me that this will never happen in real life.
When intelligent people look at a picture, they look at is as a total. They see composition, light, and all the other things that makes a picture great. They won’t see resolution (when the pictures are taken with a 12 MP camera or more in the majority of the pictures there is no real difference to be found when printed of viewed on a screen. Only techies like us are pixelpeeping and see the “tons: of details in the 50MP pictures.
People who are buying pictures will look at how the picture looks, and when it is reasonably sharp that is more then enough for them. Only people who want to print realy big (like very large posters) may want more resolution…
That’s why I wrote same guy same post processing. If you have 100 people looking at those photos, which one do you think they would prefer? The one with more or less details due to advanced dr and resolution?
Exactly. The 5DS/R’s sensor is supposed to perform similarly to the 7D II’s. So there’s no problem beating Canon if Sony’s 50MP full frame sensor acts the same as their 24MP crop sensor.
If everybody is as complacent as some commentators here, we’d still be using animal blood for painting on cave wars!
Nowadays, pixel peepers are obsessed with dynamic range. They will find fault in the Canon sensor, no doubt.
At low to medium ISO’s all Canon sensors are faulty regarding DR, no surprise here. 5Ds makes no exception, it’s a high mega pixel camera with LOW DR. 🙂
More megapixels? Sure, bring ’em! But more dynamic range would be even more interesting to me. Sony already leads here, but further improvement would make for an “easily” recognizable advantage.
About time for the camera and the rumor.
I join the SAR-Admin in his hope that Sony announces both a high end E-Mount and high end A-Mount at the same time time. That would put an end to the endless “A-Mount is dead”, “E-Mount is dead” taunts.
A-mount is in a constant process of dying, if we are to believe some people. Even when new bodies arrive, like the A77II, they aren’t improved enough, and they are only released to cover the fact that the A-mount is dead, to make people believe that Sony is still taking it seriously. Really, Sony can’t win with these people.
Yep, I love my A77II. It works well with my vast collection Sony and Minolta lenses. I’d like to see 50MP FF A-mount that would let me use the full potential of my lenses. When I read people write about how old glass will not be able to keep up with 50MP I wonder what lenses they are talking about. I have a few old legacy (film) lenses that produce outstanding images when placed on an E-Mount camera. Granted, not all the old legacy glass is equal. Currently my trusty old A900 is my go-to FF body.
A99II with 50 MPix will perform similary as A77II with24 MPix on the same lenses. Its about the same pixel-size, so you get about the same sharpness.
And you get a lot additional pixels at the border section.
A99 R ?? 50mp + 5-axis IBIS +79-point AF:-P
IF it is true, it explain why sony has to upgrade their 24-70, 16-35 to resolve the resolution.
Well yeah. It is also likely why A99 replacement is taking a bit longer and everyone assumes A-Mount ‘must’ be dead. And FWIW, there is zero reason to kill A-Mount considering it is the same camera in a different body shape with an AF module slapped in from the A77 II which they already spend a considerable sum developing.
I read somewhere that equally to the 70200 and 70400 the optical formula has not been changed to the upcoming MK2 of the 1635 and 2470. It is “just” weather sealing, improved SSM and new coating.
By internet ‘experts’ who have no more information than anyone here? Seems about right. They also deliberately cripple the lenses in firmware to not resolve more than 48MP, so when 100MP sensors come out we will have to buy new lenses again. ‘look it’s the internet, I can say anything I want and present it as a fact’.
I didn’t mark it as a fact. Of course you have to “filter” the bs’ing when reading the internet.
The guy mentioning that said he has compared the tech charts available.
I read a Sony interview – sorry can’t recall where – which seemed to suggest this: ie that the A mount upgrades are about focus and external build, not optics.
Thanks for this info
I’ll direct you to my answer above: 50mp on FF is no different to 24mp on APS-C.
Just a question … I’m not so an expert in this…. but should I use the actual lenses on a 50mpx system ? I have heard about some problems ? … Someone can explain me what’s the issue ?
Thank you
No once you have 50MP+ you no longer need lenses, they were only designed to focus light on low MP’s, that’s why they are so eagerly awaited and why we have had to wait so long 😉
Sorry I can’t understand … what do you mean ?
Or more to the point, what did you mean? “should I use actual lenses on a 50mpx system?” – I somewhat sarcastically answered ‘no you no longer need lenses’… Of course you should use ‘actual’ lenses. So I’m not really sure what you are asking?
He’s asking if the current (“actual”) lenses are good enough for a 50 MP sensor.
Sure they are, certainly wouldn’t be any worse than on a lower MP sensor…
If we aren’t meant to use ‘actual’ lenses, what are we supposed to use? Beer bottles? Mythical hypothetical lenses? I have never had a lens that produces the same or less resolution when mated to a higher resolution sensor, never. And people have claimed A LOT whenever a higher res sensor comes out that they will have problems.
I guess the OP wondered if existing lenses are good enough, or if he should wait for new lenses developed for the new sensor.
I agree with you, but a lot of people make claims about existing lenses being inadequate, because “they can’t resolve 50 MP”.
The only possible negative effect I can think of is that some lens defects and CA will become more visible (viewing at 100%), simply because they will be covered by more pixels in the image.
Exactly, any defect will become more noticeable the more you are able to enlarge it.
Ah ok .. I don’t know … but I read sometimes a lot of people saying that having a 50px sensor doesn’t make sense if sony won’t upgrade his lenses.
Ignore what people say. Most lenses will benefit from a higher resolution sensor.
English is obviously not his native language, so why be a jacka$$?
He was trying to be amusing. You will have no problem using existing lenses. All lenses will give better results on the 50 mp sensor for a given output size (there is a myth that less good lenses will. Look worse, caused by not comparing results at a standard output). Of course the best lenses will look best, and may look good viewed at 100% which the less good ones won’t.
what about the verz cheap ff e-mount?
I think it would be more logical just to nudge the existing line up to a low price point than to release an other camera.
the a7 could probably be sold at a sub $1000 pricepoint and not be a loss leader
Although I prefer the A mount ergonomics to the E mount one to a great degree, I do not think a 50MP sensor inside an A mount body is a good idea. Neither Sony nor Canikon have lenses capable of resolving such a sensor. As far as I know, only, Zeiss 135mm APO and Otus lenses are up to such a challenging task. If Sony puts such a high resolution sensor inside an E mount body, one might benefit from it by adapting these lenses, otherwise, it might be a waste of money.
I don’t see this problem with resolving power. After all it is down to pixel density and 50mp on FF is the same as 24mp on APS-C, more or less.
+1 I suspect the old Minolta glass that worked well with low speed film will work just fine on a 50MP sensor, as will a lot of Sony’s prime lenses. Maybe some zoom lenses will find it a challenge?
I think the issue with zoom lenses is simply that they are, by definition, a compromise. Some people will find fault in the areas most affected by this.
I suspect Zeiss prefer to concentrate on getting a very sharp centre, but their corners are often quite poor compared to the competition. Personally I like this, as I think it gives a more natural and appealing look to a shot, although I understand why landscape photographers do not care for it.
Once you have very high resolution sensors, I suspect this ‘fault’ becomes much more apparent.
This has probably been asked many times before, but is there a definitive source for “lens resolution” data?
I have a bunch of A-mount stuff that I would like to use, and I can’t imagine that it would fall short of this magic 50MP barrier. Lenses like the 200/2.8, 50/1.4, and 100/2.8 macro, and even 20/2.8 (ok maybe not that one).
I remember finding somewhere (dyxum?) test data on line pairs, etc., but has anybody done any real-world testing? Like taken the identical shot at identical, optimal settings, on say an A7R, and compared Minolta lenses to some sort of reference standard like an Otus? e.g. by just comparing resulting file sizes?
I don’t know there is anything definitive, as there are so many variables (including sample to sample!) and the camera affects the result.
I would go along with those who observe that shots on the A7r have greater detail and ‘sharpness’ than those from the A7 or A99, so I think you would see much the same again with this new sensor (if it is released!)
http://www.lenscore.org/ is your friend. Right now the Otus 85 scales up to appr. 100mpx in resolution and then you can scale it down the list accordingly.. Plenty of lenses happy with hires sensors for now..
And even if just the center of your lens has higher resolution, where do you crop out most often from?
I actually think the 20 f/2.8 will be just fine.
I hope so, it’s nicely built. I have always found that it wasn’t great on contrast, but that the detail it offered was good when stopped-down.
Doesn’t matter. Even my old Minolta lenses look better on a7R 36mp than a99 24mp. Higher MP without AA filter makes all lenses sharper for final publication. And they can withstand much higher degrees of post sharpening.
“As far as I know, only, Zeiss 135mm APO and Otus lenses are up to such a challenging task”
You know very little. The overwhelming majority of lenses from both manufactures (as well as third parties) can resolve plenty of detail for a 50MP sensor. Lenses don’t have a fixed resolution, they give a certain contrast for a given input [spatial] frequency, as described by the MTF. Sensors do the same, the system MTF is the product of the lens MTF and sensor MTF, thus improving the sensor will give greater contrast with any lens.
Finally people have been using full frame lenses on APS-C bodies with even higher pixel densities for years.
Exactly.
Yep. Some people just don’t get it. I guess it only goes to prove the old saying “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.
Read my response to the guy whose words you parroted.
Nah.
True is that.
Mr omniscient,
I usually ignore absurd comments like yours but this time I have to shed some light on your fallacious words which might mislead some people.
Nikon 85mm 1.8G which is known to be super sharp resolves 11MP out of 12MP when it is mounted on the D700, 92% AMAZING.The very same lens resolves ONLY 19MP out of 36MP when mounted on the D800, 53% PATHETIC, hah!! It is true that you get 19MP out of this lens when mounted on the D800 compared to 11MP when mounted on the D700 BUT, only a FOOL, would think that this lens is SHARP enough for the D800. Even Canon announced the production of a new lineup of L lenses capable of resolving 5DR and 5DS. It is not a secret that, at the moment, a few lenses are up to the task.
Fact is that the lenses will be no problem with 50 MP. My lenses has only become better from my old 6MP KM7D and up to my a900.
It looks very much like you’ve got all your information from DXO mark who attempt to boil everything down to a simple number so they can make lists which just ends up completely misleading people.
A lens does not “resolve 11 megapixels”.
A lens delivers a certain % of contrast, say 80% at 2700 lines per picture height (which corresponds to 11 megapixels). The same lens might deliver 50% contrast at 3500 l/ph, 30% contrast at 4300 l/ph, and 10% contrast at 5000 l/ph. This relationship is called the modulation transfer function (MTF). This is why manufacturers go to the effort of publishing MTF charts for their lenses rather than simply stating “this lens resolves 11 megapixels”. The MTF of the lens/filter stack/sensor system is the product of their individual MTFs, so if the lens gives 80% and the AA filter or whatever gives 95% then the system is getting 72%. Improve the performance of the filter and the system gets better. Another way to think about this is that the 30% contrast the lens produces at 4300 l/ph is going unutilized on the low resolution sensor but will contribute to the image with a higher resolution sensor.
This isn’t just something I’ve made up, ask an optical engineer or search the web.
Don’t forget–about 40% or more of that resolution is lost to surface mount and optical imperfections. At F8 a high quality lens can push up to about 82MP ideally. That’s before we talk about bayer crappy interpolation and true resolution. We have a long way to go before we hit that ceiling.
The a-mount lenses are fully capable of resolving 50MP. Everyone said the same when the a900 24,6 MP came out.
Yesterday shoot was all a99 because I could do low angle vertical shooting with fully articulating rear lcd. a7II sat in the bag.
Fashion, Portrait, and all print publication photographers desire vertical ergonomics equal to horizontal ergonomics. a99/77 provide perfect solutions with full extended grip controls easy to reach, well spaced, with separate joystick for AF. a7II and other E-Mount simply don’t, with tiny grips, missing controls, shutter button too high, and all control dials requiring hand to move away from shutter release just to change them. E-Mount vertical solution is an insult to A-Mount users.
If this new camera is an E-Mount, I hope it takes better longer A-Mount batteries. I get nearly 1000 shots with Abatt. Under 350 with Ebatt… Where is the space savings in that?
I absolutely agree. Fully articulating LCD is a must.
And touch screen :)!
Count me in as another photographer for whom FULLY articulated LCD is a must.
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I like the new 90mm macro and would consider getting it along with the new 50ish mp camera.
Of course buying into a new system would be easier to justify if Sony also produces both an updated laea4 and similar adapter for Canon and Nikon lenses.
I currently also plan to get a new long lens that is only made for Canikon…together with a new camera to use with it.
It would really be nice if a new adapter came out so I would not need to purchase another system .
Sony makes a good system but there are many things that are only available for more developed systems like Canon and Nikon.
Compatability is the issue.
I do not want to juggle 2 or 3 systems in order to have the equipment I need.
Making E mount full compatable with both A mount and Canikon would resolve that.
IBIS was a big step in the right direction.
Making AF compatability with Canikon would give Sony a huge advantage.
And updating the laea4 would be icing on the cake.
It would be best if Sony could just license their SLT Adapter Tech to third parties like Sigma or Metabones etc. Let them come out with Adapters for Canon & Nikon! Reason being that third parties like Sigma already know the Nikon & Canon AF Systems. They just need the SLT Hardware.
It would be awesome times if anyone makes adapters for Canon & Nikon… It would also make the transition of Canikon Users over to Sony E Mount very easy.
That would be a very good solution and I would be very happy to see that happen.
But it will not happen.
Canon aren’t that stupid and neither are Sony, but apparently you are.
And you are without any manors.
Mr animals has little regard for other forum members, which is bad *manners*, so why should I extend any courtesy?
I have arrived at the same place with regard to Barry.
It will never happen.
Why are you looking at a new system, with very few lenses when you can get a mature system with all the lenses you want and like:
Go CANON! They have a 50MP camera with all the lenses you like, with the flash system you like, the resolution you like etc. CANON is the system for you (but you allready know that) and stop complaining here about what you miss from Sony.
How nice an LA-EAx for Canon and Nikon should be, it will nothappen. There is no mirrorless camera maker that makes adapters for lenses from other brands…
Sony will NEVER produce an adapter for Canon or Nikon lenses. Get over it.
Says the Oracle….
If you don’t know why I fear an explanation would be pointless. Also, I have no desire to get into a argument with you. I’ve seen your posts and can’t be bothered.
Touchy touchy….
You’re right, he is.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
ENOUGH OF THE REPEATATIVE CRAP
GO BUY YOUR CANON AND GO AWAY
YOU HAVE WHINED ABOUT HIGH MEGA PIXELS FOR FOREVER, NOW THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET WHAT YOU WANTED IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH
#banbarry
You dont want to read my comment…great idea!
Better yet …read and respond to my comments you dont want to read, then I respond yo your comment…now 20 comments for you to not read!
Even better encourage everyone to participate…hundreds of comments for you to not read!
And then we can do it all tomorrow again!
It’s great for the comment count too.
Even better yet, why don’t you stop commenting?
You just plain…suck. Not just your comments, which I stopped reading a long time ago, but your very presence…sucks.
Today I have decided to take pitty on the brainless anonymous trolls like you..so desperate for my attention.
” Not just your comments”
You have nothing but my comments…brainless …and you probably dont even understsand why you are so brainless.
I may be wrong ….you might actually have a brain, but I have only your comments to judge you by.
It’s probably just the same person harassing you. You don’t have to register to comment here so it’s easy to post as 100 different people if you want. Sorry some pathetic lunatic is bothering you Barry but don’t sweat it. They’re obviously a sad and angry little maniac.
Me, me, me.
Nobody cares about your personal requirements and constantly repeated stupid ideas. Could you be any more selfish?
I care.
You care!
You love my comments so much that you beg me to respond to you so you will have more of them.
Why settle for one comment when by spaming with pointless insults you can stretch it out to many.
I dont ask for fans like you, and you will probably deny being a fan but unfortunayely you cant help yourself.
Fan. Haha.
I think you’re bellend.
This is a good day for you…youve managed to strtche a single comment into a string of about 30 and counting.
Im sure you will be having wet dreams about it…if you can wait that long.
So..ready to go a few more rounds?
Wet dreams? So says the animal fiddler.
I am an american troll.
My IP is one of these:
– 54.241.198.78
– 54.221.198.105
Ban me please.
Oh, I made a ryme….
You’re only about 6000 miles out. Pretty good.
Right… I’m in London now….
Is that one of the fantasies you use to entertain yourself ?
OK, you’re a bit creepy.
YOU are confused…it was YOU who contacted me!
I was only talking about cameras.
YOU changed the subject.
YOU made this into an exchange of insults.
YOU made the first phallic comment.
YOU need to have the last comment.
By the way..how many YOUs are there…how many of these multiple anonymous morons is YOU ?
You are right.
I was just seeking your attention.
Sorry.
Nice try Barry. You need attention so much that you upvote your own posts.
That’s what I do too, by the way…
He uses “I” 5 times, which is probably a record low for him. He appears to be largely unaware of how he is perceived.
Wish Sony would come out with a new version of the RX10. Add SLOG and autofocus for video that is as good and useful as the Canon dual pixel autofocus. Also, reduce the range of the lens to 24-135mm but increase the aperture to f2 throughout that range. And offer full HD at up to 240 fps and a variangle touch screen like the GH4 has. This camera would be an absolute beast for videographers.
And don’t forget the Sony 5 axis stabilization.
50MP Sensor with Similar Dynamic Range as the current 36MP Sensor??!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYt0WbDjJ4E
50MP with the option of pixel binning (better implementation as Nikons sRaw, please, 4 pixel binning to yield 12.5MP) for events would be nice.
Not much to get excited about here. # 1 – no rumor or commitment to fix the 11+7 bit color problem. # 2 the shot discipline will be a high hurdle for many and few have lenses capable of resolving 50mp and up. I can only think of a few – The Zeiss Otii (55 and 85mm) and Apo-Sonnar 135mm, (it’s a-mount cousin) the Sigma 35, the high end Nikon telephotos from 200mm up and the Zeiss Sony FE55.
Here’s what Lloyd wrote in January –
The rumor mill is grinding along with the rumor of a ~50 megapixel
Sony “A9” (realname tbd) and ~53 megapixel Canon DSLR. I’d bet that
neither company will invent a better camera name, this challenge being
beyond their grasp.
50 megapixels vs 36 is 1.18X the linear resolution.
In other words, you can make a 42-inch wide print instead of 36-inch
wide, all other things being equal, which they most definitely will not
be. That’s your best case, barring some other kind of improvement.
Note that the difference between 24 and 36 megapixels is 1.22X, and
that difference is noticeable but modest, and only when conditions are
perfect (perfect focus, optimal aperture, no shutter vibration,
minimal field curvature). And depth of field in terms of exploiting the
extra resolution is not only further reduced, but micro contrast and
resolution are degraded by diffraction sooner (contrast vs resolution
lp/mm). Moreover, noise might be worse (or at least no better), and
Sony’s already heavily processed files just cannot stand up to real
world demands for post processing in all too many scenarios.
So as per Sony, Fix These Things and Win, a 50 megapixel anything needs:
Superior dynamic range (15 bits please), and a lossless file format with ultra high pixel quality(offer the 11+7 bit format for the masses who should be shooting iPhone anyway).
It’s a camera Sony, not a damned game player or gizmo. Get rid of
the crapware and randomly excreted menu choices, put in proper buttons
and controls, and raise Sony camera credibility above mediocre. Parts is
parts. Not.
A zero-vibration exposure mode, e.g., no damaging Sony A7R style shutter vibration.
A hyper accurate focusing system. Which means forgetting about the
Canon and Nikon systems; it has to be on-sensor with special detectors.
Sensor image stabilization ever more important as a practical matter.
Lenses of Zeiss Otus grade if one wants to do more than pontificate about resolution gains across the frame: no focus shift, minimal field curvature, strict control of aberrations, etc. Can you say “another 14 megapixels of the same mush?” (the case for many lenses).
Existing issues with ray angle will be even worse on a higher res body (in per pixel terms), so don’t get excited about Leica M lenses on a 50MP Sony.
Design and manufacturing tolerances have to be higher! Good luck
with that. And I wish all these vendors would spare us the fantasy MTF
graphs, and publish measured results from real physical lenses (like
Zeiss does).
Still, oversampling has merit, and technology can fix some things and steadily improve, so 2015 could be exciting. We shall see. Now the question is whether Leica will ever update the aging M240 with its yawner of a 24MP sensor (but which makes exeptionally lovely images with the Zeiss ZM 35/1.4 Distagon). But Leica lens price escalation now puts many of them strictly out of reach and into the camera-as-jewelry realm.
No; not much to get excited about, Sony will just maintain their image quality and cost advantage into another generation of cameras and sensors. Trolls like Anton Berlin will continue to express jealousy buy repeatedly posting nonsense.
tl;dr
But I flagged it anyway.
I think you do not understand the RAW format of Sony. It is 14 bit compressed to put it more straight for people not experts in storing image data.
Sony’s RAW files have been researched by dozens of experts and the conclusion is they are 11+7 bit. It’s you that doesn’t understand.
Turns out Russia produces geniuses like Alex and much slower witted types like you.
Debate the math –
1) In each 32 pixel block we have 16 pixels of single color.
2) For the 16 pixels of each color:
– two 11-bit values (‘base pixels’) are stored exactly. The minimum and maximum values in block
– two 4-bit coordinates of min/max pixels in block are stored too.
– and 14 7-bit deltas for remaining 14 pixels.
= 11 + 4 + 11 + 4 + 14 * 7 = 128 bits for 16 pixels = 8 bits per byte
3) ‘delta’ pixel value is calculated from delta, minimum and maximum:
step = (maximum –
minimum)_rounded_to_the_nearest_largest_power_of_two / 128. This ‘step’
is the same for all ‘delta’ pixels in block
(smallest integer power of two (1,2,4….) such that step*128 > max-min)
pixel value = minimum + delta_recorded_for_this_pixel * step.
So, if data range within 16 pixels is too wide, then “step size” of each transition increases, so posterization occurs.
NO one cares, Max Anton Bob Berlin…
No one cares…
This is not correct! It is close to correct but lack critical details. So no math there just speculation. There is also gamma correction step which you missed completely – Sony RAw is recorded in logarithmic gamma so this linear algebra is largely void. There is working code decoding Sony RAW files that is actually working and has the full algorithm not just some random guesses of an illiterate hacker
https://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/dcraw.c
I can show you examples where posterisation occurs if you use Sony’s IDC. However Lightroom can detect those situations and deals with them gracefully. Note that at most you are talking of posterisation that is 3 pixels wide! So even on challenging photos there wold be couple of regions like this. If correctly interpreted it may look as softer lens or slight out of focus effect.
The big question is: where do you find an object interesting enough to photograph with a 50 mp camera? There is no such thing on earth! We need to go to mars and find an alien until we need 50mp
Hi Anton, Bob just asked me to let you know it’s your turn. See you soon!
Dunning-Kruger effect + verbal diarrhea
Oh, I see you jumped on a bandwagon without actually knowing wtf you’re talking about. Good job!
“with the same A7II 5 axis stabilization and improved autofocusing” and “it uses the same or tweaked version of the current 36MP sensor”
These two statements are contradictory. The 36mp chip doesn’t have on sensor phase detection like the 24mp sensor in the A7II. So unless it’s a new chip, the A7RII will still only have contrast detection for autofocus.
They can still improve AF on A7r like Panasonic did using advanced contrast detect algorithms that recognise the defocusing patterns of lenses and thus focus very very fast. In fact Panasonic and independent testing claims that GH4 outperforms A6000! This may also be helped by the smaller sensor but still GH4 is a remarkably fast mirrorless
I didn’t say they couldn’t.
You clearly made a statement that said it couldn’t be the same chip but improved. You clearly stated that it had to be a new chip…. but you’re wrong.
Please, quote me where I said that?
You were wrong. Accept it.
It is not the end of the world….
Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to teach you English properly and improve your comprehension.
Have a great day!
YOU need to improve your comprehension….
What does it mean “with the same A7II 5 axis stabilization and improved
autofocusing”?
It means the same A7II 5 axis stabilization, NOT also the same A7II on sensor PDAF system….
You smartass write like Bob…
Hey, so you misunderstood what I was saying. I can’t help that. Chillax.
OK… You are right…
It wasn’t you who wrote:
” “with the same A7II 5 axis stabilization and improved autofocusing”
and “it uses the same or tweaked version of the current 36MP sensor”. These two statements are contradictory. The 36mp chip doesn’t have on sensor phase detection like the 24mp sensor in the A7II.”
I get that you don’t comprehend what I was saying. That’s not a problem for me as I don’t know you, and don’t care what you think.
Bye!
You are amusing….
Thanks. I try.
It wasn’t a compliment…
Yeah, I know. I just don’t get bent out of shape about comments on here. Life’s too short.
It’s possible to use the same chip, but still improve AF performance. They can improve CDAF performance through better processing, but they can also add PDAF to the same chip, without having to use a new chip. PDAF is accomplished by masking off one half of some pixels, which doesn’t require a newly developed chip.
Canon’s Dual Pixel method would require a new chip, but Sony doesn’t implement OSPDAF in that way.
Agreed. Improvements in their algorithms should yield improvements in contrast detection autofocus. If it’s the claimed 30% Sony said the A7II had over the A7, I would be happy.
Excellent news!!! Great work Sony guys!
I will buy one of those two cameras. If you release A6000 successor I will buy that too!
Excellent idea to announce these together. So we can make our informed choice.
Another great year for Sony imaging products and its customers. Just don’t forget some new portrait lenses. Either native E mount or at least SSM upgrades of the current 85 and 135. To be honest either will do fine
Hmmmm.. Is sony aps-c walking same path as a-mount…?
I’am on the fence of whether I should invest in sony aps-c lenses or not…
There are not many new E mount crop lenses these days. Luckily all full frame lenses work on crop too. For example the 70-200/4 is quite a remarkable achievement in optical design. So you may take that to complement A6000.
True.
BUT – (there is always a but)
native APS-C lenses are:
* lighter
* smaller
* cheaper
* sharper (in most cases, if the price segment is similar)
* better fitting focal lengths on APS-C bodies
Example: a 70-200 is great focal length on FF, but on APS-C the 105-300 equivalent is missing range on the wide end for most photographers. Thats why Fuji released a 50-140/f2.8 for their APS-C as counterpart.
Sorry, 100-300mm is a very useful range. Don’t believe the DPR tripe from the Fuji fanboys.
APS-C 70-200mm f4 would not be any smaller nor lighter, cheaper – maybe, slightly.
If A mount and the already released APS-C lenses are an indicator, APS-C-only lenses are smaller, lighter and cheaper because you need less expensive glasses to render a smaller area. But they’re in a budget area only. You won’t see many Zeiss or G lenses (although they do exist).
But as DarkHole said: You eventually need to resell all your gear when you switch to FF. But if you can save a noticeable amount of money, why not? I own the Sony 35/1.8 DT for under 200 bucks. It’s a great lens and during the last 5 years, it’s price is already written off a number of times. The 35/1.4 G FF is 4x more expensive and it performs even worse on APS-C.
This has nothing to do with Fuji Fanboys. the 50-140/f2.8 on APS-C is on all aspects the equivalent to a 70-200/f4 on FF. As you said – same size / same weight / same DOF / same price (as the Sony SEL70200f4).
is 100-300 (on FF) a good range? For sports and some wildlife not bad – sure.
On the other hand, there is a reason that you can find a 70-200/f2.8 lenses from:
Canon (3 Versions)
Nikon (2 Versions),
Minolta
Sony-A,
Pentax
Sigma (2 Versions)
Tamron (2 Versions)
and you can find several 70-200/f4 designed for FF. But how many 100-300 lenses (designed for FF) do you know? I just know a 120-300/f2.8 Sigma for 2500$.
Bottom line: 100-300 seems not to be as questioned as 70-200. Agreed?
How is the 70-200FE a remarkable lens?
It is amazingly sharp for a zoom. Much sharper then any other zoom on A7. It performs similar to macro lenses. Portraits come out a bit sharper than what you expect. Combined with the spot on AF it is better portrait lens than anything I have use don DSLR like 85mm lenses on Nikon D700, D600, Sony A mount 85 and 135mm. It is probably similar to 2.8 macros like Sony 100/2.8 and Nikon 105
The issue with the 70-200/4 on A7 is that Af is not good in dimmer conditions.
It’s a good lens, but doesn’t the Canon 70-200/4 perform similarly? And as sharp as a macro lens? That’s hard to believe, as I’ve tested the 70-200LII and good primes will outperform it. Still a great FE lens no doubt.
I had an issue with my copy, the tripod collar was not tight enough. On a tripod, I could spin the lens and camera inside the collar without much effort. The Canon tripod collar is far superior in my experience. You?
Luckily I had no issues
You should avoid APS-C lenses if there is a full frame lens that covers the same needs for you. Otherwise one day you might find yourself thinking ‘I want to upgrade my body to a full frame’ and now you gotta sell those lenses to make hte best of that new body.
Do you think the “4k Camcorders” will be E-mount, or more like there consumer camcorder line? Seems like the Fs100 is needs a upgrade… Sony needs something to compete with the GH4.
I heard there is an E-mount cam in the …air
I would love to see a poor man’s Arri Alexa Mini. The A7S sensor slapped in a tiny box with a minimalist modular body. No EVF and no LCD, but internal 4K. Perfect for gimbals and drones.
They won’t do that. And the FS7 was the big pro cam they just released.
While this would be cool, and I would love to see it, I doubt they would do this yet. It seems right now they need a sub $2000 internal 4K E mount solution.
I think they can beat the GH4 if they made a revamped FS100 (same basic form-factor, maybe a little bit smaller) with a S35 sensor, 4k recording, 2 XLR ( like the original audio wise) maybe 1080p 96FPS (internal slo-mo). Doesn’t have to have Sensor stabilization, ND filters, or a full frame sensor. While all these would be nice, I think keeping the sub 2K price would be important.
Admin, Do you think it would be a pro cam, or something like the sony VG series? Thanks for keeping us posted!
Why the f..k do you remove my comment asking where the f..ck the A7000 news remain.
Sony is f..k’n up with many people waiting for a new APSC replacement for the NEX-7. Sony sucks, and I am not the f..k’n only one who thinks that way.
Maybe your first post was less eloquent than this absolute beauty.
The mythical A7000? Forget about it. You may not like it, but wake up and smell the coffee. Sony see the A7 as the NEX-7 replacement.
I expect a bump from A6000 to A6100 at most.
I bet against you.
I think many new bodies get any IBIS – a good reason to name it A7000.
Cool. Let’s see what happens.
SMH
haha. You tried to go off topic, and discuss something irrelevant. Why wouldn’t your post get deleted. Fact is this is a rumour site, and if the rumours are not about, it’s best to not make them up. The Admin does a good job trying to remove crap (like you) and poor rumours that come in, and only release good quality details.
Who needs 50 mpix anyway.
In case you haven’t noticed, 4K displays are more affordable, and will continue to drop in price. Large art photo printing is more affordable than ever. Retina screens are becoming more popular and will continue to do so.
50mp allows our work to be relevant for the next decade. Advertisers demand it from their photographers for many media outlets.
I do understand what you say and it sounds logical. But I disagree with your last statement. It is, will be and always was the content that allows your work to be relevant.
But even if advertisers will demand such high resolutions in a few years, there is no reason to buy a 50mp camera TODAY. Because that camera will be old stuff in 5 years. Thats what most people say here: 50mp is overkill today.
You can’t talk “content first” and then claim camera will be “old stuff in 5 years”. That’s arguing for two opposite points that have very little to do with my post.
My “content first” is the product that my client pays me to shoot. That’s already been established during production meetings. And 50mp makes it more relevant years from now no matter how old or overkill it might seem to some who don’t shoot commercial brand.
50 MP is not overkill. Its great if you want to print very large.
BTW. My 5 years old a900 can still produce more than usable photos. Its still better at ISO up to 400 than 5DMkIII in terms of DR and color.
the ego wants it badly and its easy to cure lack of imagination or creativity with megapixels. at the end of the day its just another reason to sell a new camera.
come again? all those extra pixels will only increase the notable lack of creativity. Extra MP has NEVER made anyone more ‘creative’, only the knowledge of what to do with those extra MP does that.
I think we should invest in tripod stocks.
A-mount FF please please .. I’m begging
A-mount is a dying system. You need to beg elsewhere.
This website is for Sony rumors , You need to comment elsewhere.
Can you please tell me why do you prefer A-mount cameras instead of E-mount?
Some DSLR users prefer optical viewfinder but it can’t be your case… AF speed can’t be either. Is it only because you like bulky cameras or because you already have lenses for A-mount?
for 1 reason , I take photos of birds (mostly) and I use 600mm f4 lens so why would I care about camera size when my lens weighs about 7 KG ?
Btw I own a7r too and I use it sometimes for bird photography with LA-EA4 adapter for fun and I like it.
It does make sense for you if you don’t care about size.
Is it your A7r + adpater as good as your A-mount Camera?
when it comes to image quality A7R beats both the A99 and A77II , but the AF is better on A77.
the most annoying thing when using A7R for birds is the shutter lag,
If the adaptor is not a problem, I see both E-mount and A-mount can be good for you! I’m sure next E-mount cameras will solve Shutter and EVF lag as well so it wouldn’t be a problem for you… and you can get better image quality.
let’s hope those problems will be solved specially that A7II now have IBIS because I’m using the old Minolta 600mm lens (no OSS).
IBIS was one of the reasons why I went for A99 and A77II.
if they solve all those problems there will be one more little thing , I will miss the grip of a DSLR :/
it’s more comfortable , but for all other types of photography , E-mount is better than A-mount IMO.
For me it’s option 2: I already do have a lot of A mount lenses and accessories and don’t like the idea of a slow AF adapter. However, I do have a A6000 as a secondary camera – which is fine and great and I love the AF speed. But for some reason, shooting feels different on such a small A6000 + 24/1.8 Zeiss vs. a full size A77 + grip + 24-70/2.8 Zeiss (which is what I mostly use). I even caught myself mostly shooting the A6000 via display like a noob while I mainly use the view finder of my A77. Image-wise it doesn’t matter of course.
But I still buy lenses for my A77 – because they are already available 😀 If Sony would announce a weather-sealed FF A mount with GPS for under 2K, I’d buy it rather than any A7-like E mount.
E mount is the perfect system for traveling. Therefore it needs to stay small and light. Compromises need to be done for this. For example I noticed quite strong color fringing on the small lenses. I believe it has something to do with the small size. Battery life time is another. With a small body, I’m using the A6000 menu more often (which was once my point to buy a Dynax 7D).
“The new Sony 50MP camera is said to “easily OUTPERFORM” the Canon 5ds camera in terms of image quality at low ISO.”
Who cares? Most cameras perform just fine at low ISO. What about high ISO?!?! That was at one time, one of the big selling points for FF cameras…did everyone forget about that?
Well I do and so do many others. Not exactly do I care what Canon the follower does, but rather if we can get even more DR compared to Sony’s own previous sensor.
I mostly shoot at ISO 50-800. If I can get better image quality there, I’m interested. If high ISO performance remains the same, I’m fine. If I’d care about high ISO, I’d brought a A7S, right.
any news on RX cameras with curved sensor?
You realize that curved sensors are only for single focal lengths and that lens/sensor combinations can (are) already made approaching the theoretical limits of Nyquist theorem? Curved sensors will be as popular as curved tvs. Meaning another marketing ploy and fad that lasts a few months.
You do realize that everything you have just said is not true?
The RX1/R is a single focal length camera.
I’m getting scared.
I have no need for FF, and I think the IQ ‘advantages’ of the larger sensor are about 80% due to manufacturers putting better technology in that format to sell new cameras and lenses. I like the small size and low weight of APS-C and wanted to stay with it.
But it’s looking more and more like all the camera makers, in their current pain and panic, have decided to put APS-C over the side of the boat and push nothing but FF. It’s as if car makers decided all the money was in the big SUV’s and pickups and dropped everything else.
I wanted an upgrade to the a6000 but I’m starting to doubt that’s going to happen. The FF hype is so powerful that it’s causing a stampede – basically, a marketing program that’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And now, they’re pushing “high megapixel” dinosaurs in a pointless arms race.
It’s reaching a point of no return and camera makers are now gutting their APS-C market. Is that really in their best interest? Are we doomed to an entire generation of unnecessarily big, heavy cameras and lenses?
It’s not better technology, it’s physics. More total light on the sensor makes for a much better image with all other factors equivalent.
On the contrary, smaller sensors get better technology because technology is easier to implement (and will have higher yields) at smaller scales. This is why the a7 II didn’t get the a6000’s AF performance, why Nikon’s 1 series have such high AF speeds, and why an iPhone can shoot 240 fps video.
The camera manufacturers are chasing high pixel counts at full frame because their fab tech is starting to get better yields, which means it’s easier to achieve the same pixel density as smaller sensors.
I think the APS-C market is being gutted because people are better off going full frame for quality or MFT for portability.
I compare Olympus MFT cameras and Sony APS-C cameras and the portability is even much better for Sony with bigger sensor size.
I wouldn’t like to wait two years for the a6000 sucessor…
And I think it’s obvious that all other factors are not equivalent.
The truth is, we don’t know – only the sensor engineers have all the facts in hand. It’s not just about light, it’s silicon wafer technology, and electronics. Making computer chips bigger doesn’t make them better.
It isn’t just a coincidence that FF matches up with Nikon and Canon’s huge existing lens base.
The difference in IQ is pretty much consistent with the difference we would expect based on the size difference. A larger area that captures light means a larger signal-to-noise ratio.
Um… only if the noise doesn’t also increase as the sensor electronics get larger… and only if the size of the individual light-gathering cells also increases proportionally… like I said, we’re all just arm-chair engineers here. There is strong ‘confirmation bias’ at work here.
Completely agree I have been waiting for months for an upgraded APS-C camera.. This FF stampede is out of control..
What are knobs on about? How old is the A6000 now, like a whole year?
FF stampede, give me a break! You lot are as bad as the A-Mount whiners, they said the same thing when ‘NEX’ started. Get over it.
What’s wrong with your a6000?
Nothing.. I don’t have one yet I sold all my Cannon gear last month..
A6000 is a fantastic camera. Same for A77 II
Please stop this trolling
He is scared. He is not trolling in any way.
Have you read the post??
I think the same… I don’t need FF either and I don’t want they stop improving APS-C cameras
Thank you!
I couldn’t agree more!!
I’m looking for an a6000 upgrade… a high end APS-C camera keeping the Nex 7 size!
A6000 upgrade, I keep hearing that from people. Do you guys upgrade your cameras every year?
Not in my case but if I bought a Nex 7 three years ago, I don’t want to buy a one year old a6000 if I can get the new one sooner… technology moves fast.
In addition, all the brands launch new cameras every year and it doesn’t mean people upgrade cameras every year.
My thought exactly. The A6000 is a great camera (as the A77 is). Why waiting for an upgrade and burn money? Rather invest in new lenses! And as long as Sony doesn’t implementing GPS into their “best for travel”-cams again, I won’t buy a new one either.
Even with lenses, any Sony FF lens announcement is good for APS-C too. The upcoming 24-240mm makes (hopefully) a great travel lens for the A6000 too. If you need an excellent 50mm lens, the new 35mm FF are a great addition. But I have hopes for some light, plastic-y but optical very good, lower budget APS-C lenses. The 35mm and 50mm f/1.8 primes are already there. The 24/1.8 Zeiss is an excellent lens but maybe to expensive for most. But they can take the 20/2.8 which is not that bad and much smaller and lighter. A 85mm like the 85/2.8 for A mount is missing. As well as any telephoto lens.
Don’t panic. It’s everything alright.
‘I have no need for FF, and I think the IQ ‘advantages’ of the larger sensor are about 80% due to manufacturers putting better tech in that format’
Care to show your workings on that 80%?
So you think they are holding back on APS-C and making FF ‘better’ to drive people to FF? This is the perfect demonstration of someone who have no idea what they are talking about and should have to get a photography-101 license before being able to make comments.
‘Causing a stampede’… give me a break!
Exactly. If anything ff is playing catch up on apsc pixel density. This putting aside any of the other reasons for got full frame.
+1.
I would like to upgrade my nex 6 for the next APSC model with IBIS and better AF. 10-18, 16-70 and 24 1.8 are a good light weight travel combo for me, however 16-70 is quite soft at the corners even stop down.
I already have all the lens i need for travel purpose, but seems like sony has ditch the apsc lens already. FE lens work on crop camera, but too big.
What’s your overall opinion on the 16-70? I’ve been considering that one. Worth the $$?
Don’t go for it if you are used to good optics – or at least try it out before buying it. I had 2 lenses and both were not good enough for the price (or any price). AF performance is not good (often misses focus on moving objects), often back focus, a stronger and a lesser-but-still-there decentering problem (corners are uneven out-of-focus; visible even zoomed out), not very sharp, f/4 is very limiting to me, stopping down doesn’t solve any issue mentioned above and, finally, the lens had no character. All images where (the technical problems aside) “Mmh OK”. The good thing: It’s super small, very light, top-notch build quality and f/4 is already the best the lens is able to deliver.
I brought the 24/1.8 Zeiss for the same money and enjoy a lens as it should be. The 55-210mm is also not good (but cheap) and the 24-70/4 FF doesn’t look exciting too but could be a better option for a walk-around zoom on APS-C if you don’t care about the limiting f/4.
My learning: Currently, E mount is not for zooms but for very good primes. But the upcoming 24-240mm could change that (for its kind). The new PZ 28-135/4 G looks also better than the 16-70 or 24-70 but huge and super expensive.
+1 for “E mount is not for zooms but for very good primes”. Exactly my experience with Sony so far. I enjoy the 24 1.8 and 50 1.8 way more.
Thanks for the input. I currently pretty much just shoot with primes on my E-mounts (the only zoom I have is the 16-50 kit), but was thinking it might be nice to have a “walk around” zoom, too. Bummer if this one isn’t up to snuff, considering how much it costs.
@Fonk. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3761263
Some collective opinion about the SEL1670
Jeez, the a6000 was only released a year ago, and was/is an industry-leading camera. Panic much?
I am glad that APS-C will be mostly gone. I got rid of all my APS-C glass two years ago. FF is simply the next step with lower prices for those sensors. APS-C was only developed many years ago to cut the cost for sensors in the cameras when FF sensors were still very expensive.
This said, I can see some groups of photographers making good use of the smaller APS-C sensor with the longer field of view especially with tele lenses (wildlife, sports). But with better high MP FF sensors this advantage will be gone, and in-camera cropping or in post processing with such high MP FF sensor allows the same or even better IQ than with an APS-C sensor.
There will still be APS-C cameras. Don’t panic.
The Sony sensors have been better than canon for years now. The new 50mp canons of reports are true will be underwhelming for landscape shooters that want wide dynamic range.
But with the sad lens line up for Sony E mount all those MPs will be lacking.
The 24-70mm f4 zeiss is already soft on a 36 MP sensor. On a 50 MP sensor its shortcomings will be seen clearly.
The 24-70mm isn’t a great lens, but it’s shortcomings diminish considerably when stopped down.
I won’t deny Sony’s lens system has big gaps, but it’s still a fairly new system. Fleshing out a comprehensive lens line-up will take time. If you buy a Sony camera without taking this into consideration, you only have yourself to blame. I think that’s why a have a low tolerance for people moaning on here about the lack of lenses 🙂
Honestly for the price Sony is charging for the Zeiss and the fact that its a slow f4 zoom its criminal to expect soft images in this day and age at that price.
My Sony 24-70mm f2.8 CZ gets sharper stopped down but its more than sharp enough wide open to outperform even some of my primes.
It could do with being cheaper, for sure. Can’t argue with that.
Just to add to your point. I think that Sony have done well if you think about it. The FE hasn’t really been out very long and given the number of lenses available in such a short time is not too bad. Give them more time and it will only get better when it comes to native lens choices.
Well the adaptability of the Sony is what makes it worth buying. You can use just about any lens on it. Honestly I didn’t have any e mount lenses when I had my a7. I used m mount and ltm lenses.
I can’t image BOTH being E mount. That makes zero sense. “Hey, look at this high mega pixel A7RII…and over here we have the new highER mega pixel A9.” Nah, ones an A mount for sure.
I agree but Sony also knows that Canon & Nikon control the market (and lenses) for DSLR… Sony would be interested in new users to migrate to the mirrorless system, and here Canon and Nikon can’t offer anything good.
It makes more sense if A7rII and A9 are the same camera… and the other one can be the RX2 or the A5.
But Sony already has a big, old, loyal customer base on A mount. What about them?
Loyal, yes. Big, not so much. All credit to Sony – they spotted a gap in the market and capitalised on it.
Big, not so much, but I am guessing less price-sensitive and therefore more highly profitable per unit. Also, I believe if Sony wants to retain its status with the big boys in the industry, it has to have a pro level DSLR & lens line, even if the pros still flock to the big boys. I think this has more to do with brand familiarity, third party solutions, and Sony’s flakiness than anything else. Why can I not purchase a TTL capable radio trigger made for the ISO mount? I think if Sony paid more consistent time and attention to A-mount instead of relying on its episodic moments of greatness, they could make money there.
THIS. Not so much about A-mount, as I’m accepting that it’s dead, but just paying attention to the overall system, not just new camera bodies. Their flash system, if you can call it that, is still so week compared to Nikon and Canon, and there’s just no excuse for it. They need to build out an entire infrastructure to really capture a larger part of the pro market.
Maybe there’s a restructure in a-mount that’s why we haven’t been hearing anything..lol
Just my guess. They announced a pro support (obviously there are more qualifications with lenses in a-mount than e-mount) then they pre-announced three updated a-mount lenses in November. Maybe they’re hinting us that a-mount is working towards pro “after” a restructure? Idk lol
Maybe…. Sounds optimistic, but sounds good. 🙂 I don’t even care about the mount structure – A or E, I’ll work with it. Just get the ancillary items (like flash system) up to speed, too.
Yeah lol a or e mount…it doesn’t really matter. My two a99s that I got in January will last me a good 3-4 years before I’ll need to upgrade. And by that time technology will advance to where I’m sure sony will solve the gap between a and e mount “natively”. We might say impossible now but how many times has sony made the impossible, possible. Lol I’m talking about 4 years later technology. Same goes with their flash system lol
“restructure”- Exactly. I think all of this FE FF tech was suppose to end up in A mount. That is, until the nex line started gaining steam and someone suggested they derail from their original destination.
A full frame 50MP A mount and a price drop on the A99 could serously help curb the exodus to other systems AND build interest at the same time amongst already existing products. They still have a whole line up of lenses and manufacturing going on. Instant boost and it would buy time until they can figure out better integration across the lines (adapter or otherwise).
Maybe I am deluding myself, but I do not accept that the A-mount is dead. Not only do I doubt that Sony wants it to be dead, but I don’t think they can allow it to be dead for them to be taken seriously in the digital imaging world, nor do I think they can continue to attract and hold on to the few Pros that they have which give their brand credibility. Without credibility most people will continue to default to buying Canons and Nikons because “everyone else does.” But we are in total agreement on system. They have to do more than produce great cameras and great lenses. They have to create a great camera system, and it does not appear to me that they have the corporate attention span to pull it off. They seem to be diverted all the time chasing other rabbits that they hope will bring in short term profit rather than having a sustaining moneymaker. The DSC-RX1 to me is a perfect example. This is a truly remarkable camera, that now seems to be an orphan because Sony can’t seem to focus on anything for too long before it is chasing after the next rabbit.
I suspect the RX1 was just an experimental camera to test the FF mirrorless waters; basically it was what led them to the A7. Now that the A7 series is out and doing well, I could see them dropping the RX1 line. I hope not, as it does seem to fit a niche quite well, and I wouldn’t mind picking one up myself at some point, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
Sony saw how well received (selling) the Fuji X100, was and decided they were going to make the ULTIMATE P&S. “Hey we have this super-short E-mount 17mm flange distance, let’s make the smallest FF camera in the world.” People were stunned what Sony had done. Everyone had thought big sensor= big camera and Sony turned that on it’s head. Only thing was, not everyone could afford $3K for the best point n’ shoot ever, esp w/out an electronic viewfinder (during an economic recession).
Well, big enough to make Konica Minolta the 3rd largest DSLR system with more advanced and innovative features like the competitors, and help Sony to survive the last 10 years. If you look at Flickr’s camera search, A mount is still being strong even with no care for years now.
I’m not saying E mount is not there (quite the opposite) but A mount is still there and has some advantages over E mount. Until Sony delivers a hybrid camera, it would be wise to keep both lines alive and even sharp up their profile.
I remember a recent Sony presentation where you see A mount and E mount against each other. As far as I remember, Sony sees E mount as a driver for enthusiasts level with fast paced life cycle, while A mount will be limited to one highend APS-C and one highend FF camera with a slower life cycle but major improvements. I think the A99 is very much outdated and needs a replacement now.
A-mount user base was big enough for them to purchase Minolta’s camera business in the first place.
My guess too. Furthermore, 50 MP is so pro (if you let me say so), it needs a mature lens lineup. And this is (currently) only available for A mount. The handling is different, ruggedness etc.pp. And the A99 is really outdated. It – and A mount – needs an strong replacement.
Given the a-mount lens upgrades, I’ll be surprised if we don’t see an a99ii this year. I’m not sure it’ll sell in big numbers, but if it doesn’t it’ll be a nice note for a-mount to go out on.
Agreed.
I wish for an A-mount FF but it could be 2 E-mount cameras , A7RII with 50MP ? maybe .. and the low budget E-mount FF with smaller body and less specs.
The RX2 that never arrives… Sony, please bring it.
This will be E-Mount only – no new A-Mount cameras will coming out – A-mount slowly fading away.
while 50mp is similer to 24mp apsc, itll be the corners where things might go bad, some lenses have alot of resolution still, at least in the center, but corners are nearly always worse.
and you get diffraction limited sooner with smaller pixels too
I can live with that.
A99 has been out of stock for a while at Sony AU. I enquired about it and reports from retailers saying the A77 II were discontinued. Sony said the A77 II was getting more stock in (which they did then next day and retailers started having stock again) but said they didn’t know about the A99, that no stock was coming.
“Outperforms the 5ds” Isn’t that like saying “Outperforms the Yugo”
“…at low ISO.” And that’s a big part of what keeps Canonistas in the Canon fold: high ISO performance. Of course, the A7S changes that game a bit, but of course, Sony had to go way down in resolution to achieve that. For many that doesn’t matter, but for some it’s a deal breaker.
All that said, most of the “huge differences” are largely just academic anyway, only appearing dramatic when you look at charts. When you look at actual images, none of the big 3 are that far apart anymore. For instance, when comparisons were done between the D800, 5DIII, and A99, the 5DIII was the winnner. When you looked at images from each at those higher ISOs, though, there were no night-and-day differences. All were perfectly usable at higher ISOs (what constituted “high” ISO at the time).
All of the major camera systems out there right now are pretty damn good. Just find the system you like to use and roll with it, and don’t worry about who’s rated #1.
So how many Sony cameras does one need to buy to do what a single Canon or Nikon can do ?
One…OMD EM5II.
What can’t you do with a Sony camera?
Not sure what all the complaints are about. Great news, regardless of how this actually pans out (A or E mount). We have fantastic glass options now for both systems that can handle the rez, so bring it on, I’ll likely order both. Frankly, my only reservation today is the storage solution for those large files, so that’ll be an added expense, but that’s inevitable.
I wonder how everyone would react “if” both cameras will be a-mount lol entry level FF (8 series) and high resolution FF (9 series) lol Just saying.
I personally would love it, being primarily an A-mount user. But I think it would be a really bad corporate move to make. Sony is making all its traction with the FE cameras right now, and I can just see the press and user reaction if they now release better tech in a format that the majority of their new adopters aren’t invested in. People will go nuts and crucify them in the press and comments. They will be criticized for wasting resources on a dying format. People will go so far as to demand that A-mount be retired in favor of the camera they’ve invested in.
It’s sad because a lot of us have been with Sony cameras since the beginning, or even earlier with Minolta. And our loyalty should earn us the right to have our investment protected with continued development and advancements. But the new crop of users see us as hold-outs and dinosaurs who should be extinct so that they can have the latest toy they’ve glommed onto. Most of them probably derided Sony cameras before the A7 series caught on, and now act like they’re owed something every day. And most wouldn’t think twice about leaving the system again once the next toy comes along from any manufacturer.
I say that without any dislike for the A7 — I think it’s a great camera and will probably pick up one for travel one day — but as for the users its attracted… what a bunch of entitled pricks.
I don’t see it happening, but I can just imagine SAR blowing up with comments at that point. It would be very amusing indeed
Lol especially in the corners, and what about high ISO
A few months ago- wasn’t there a rumor that the A99 was going to continue after the release of the A99II. Maybe, quite possibly- sony would run both side by side? An A99II 50MP makes sense if this is the strategy moving forward. It could also bolster A mount sales which mostly would come from existing users. Reasons I think so:
1) Canon shooters-seriously? If you have canon glass you’re going to buy the Canon camera. It’s aimed at pro’s anyway.
2) Nikon most certainly will have their answer to the 5DS soon enough. If you’re a D810 owner it’s not like the 5DS for the xtra 18 percent resolution and worse DR is that appealing.
My point is that, it’s a downgrade for either camp to jump on a Sony 50MP bandwagon. This is ESPECIALLY true given the limited range of lenses thus far. Makes more sense- at least to me- to release the 36 refined and updated at a competitive price point well below the D810 with 5 axis- much more market for this. The 50MP makes sense for A mount users at this point in time if they continue offering the A99.
Agreed. I don’t see a big value in a 50MP Sony E-mount for my type of shooting, unless AF performance is close to my D810 (esp. in low light) and pixel binning is implemented well. Different for landscape shooters, however most excellent wide angle primes I would like to use have corner problems on the 36MP sensor. I can’t imagine this to be solved with a 50MP sensor. Considering great lenses like the 135/1.8 it would be unfortunate to stop A-mount. Why not having a high performance A-mount line in parallel to a nice E-mount line optimised for size with “slower” primes and zooms? I would use both in parallel.
The most interesting time will happen when Canon’s and Sony’s rumored 50 MP will compared with the same Canon lenses mounted on each camera (with adapter on the Sony E-mount camera). Then we will see how close of apart from each other they are. Reading that Canon simply upgraded the 7D MkII sensor for FF and is still stuck with their 0.5 micrometer process generation process of the sensors, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony beats the Canon sensor easily in performance.
Regarding the comment below, people will buy what gives the best quality for the best price. Not sure if Canon is up to this with the $4K priced DSLR cameras. I was with Canon for decades, but added the Sony A7R last year, and I am using all my Canon lenses often on the A7R. Seeing how my Canon glass shines on the Exmor FF sensor makes me always hard to go back using my 5D MkII or MkIII.
Talking about A-mount, yes, it is continuing. Question is for how long. If the trend and success of mirrorless systems continues, the A-mount will be gone soon. I personally wouldn’t invest in any A glass or A-mount based camera at this point.
Possibly. A mount is just a mount…literally. It’s a piece of metal. Sony can do with it whatever they want. Add, remove- slim down the bodies, etc. I think the value in A mount is that- despite what happens- you can adapt those lenses to any system moving forward. I call it cheap insurance and shouldn’t be under estimated. Cheap insurance that one day- despite Sony’s crazy antics, I might be able to use my glass on a Canon or Nikon body. Crazy? Hardly. We have zero idea as to what the future holds with adapter design and other attempts at integration across platforms and systems.
No pro camera today launches with 50 mp. If sony is about to announce such a sensor, it is most likely a7rII. Pro (a9 or whatever the name) model will probably pack sensor between 24 and 36 mp for optimal speed.
What is a pro camera?
What a stupid question. Everyone knows the fastest way to make money as a photographer is to sell your camera. Clearly a pro camera is one that makes the photographer more money.
It’s a more expensive camera
What a stupid answer…
It was not a stupid question – it was more or less a IQ test ^^
I was joking by the way
If it was an IQ test you made for yourself, it did its purpose. Your IQ has been measured.
Pro camera is whatever camera the writer of the original text thinks is. I didnt came up with the term, i was talking in reference to his text. And he most probably means 1Dx/D4s type by that term. A camera that would be widely used by professional photographers.
The definition of a pro camera matters of whatever the writer of the original text (that’s you) thinks is?
Yes – you got me. So I have no more points to claim something different.
LOL
douché
Pro camera is about faster autofocusing speed, faster FPS, more buffer and weather sealing.
This is true – for sport-photographers and the like.
What about a studio photographer, working with models?
Everything you listed is not important for those. It is kust a nice to have. The most important thing is high image quality and tons of MPix!
In a controlled studio environment, you can use D3300 and get great image quality.
Yes – this is the point! But you get “only” 24 MPix in a single shot.
On youtube, a german guy gave a very good explanation, why 50 Mipx are needed (for pros):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGQ6f8ys1iI
As summary in a few words (and in bad english):
Imagine your job is to do a fashing shooting for a clothes shop and you have to fill a catalouge with 1000 pages. There is a row of models in different outfits, waiting to be photographed. So you need a good full-body picture of everyone. For that task, your D3300 is good enough – no question.
But furthermore the shop is not just selling the clothes, but as well some accessoirs like a bracelet, a purse, shoes and the like. And you need a fine detailed picture of all these accesoirs, too.
So you can take 1 high-resolution picture of the entire model and make some crops of accessoirs instead of taking 5 pictures every time. This saves time and money to do the job. Don’t forget: models are paid for their time.
Having 50 MPix in a FF, you get a cheap alternative to medium format cameras. Not to mention the bigger lens selection.
Pentax 645Z
LOL smart@$$ well played
645Z has large enough photosites not to be disadvantaged by higher number of them. We are talking about 35mm format here, in case you didnt notice. Unless Sony is planning MF here.
“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” – Albert Einstein
an I idea has just jumped up to my head , or maybe a wish !
what if Sony is planning to release an A-mount FF camera that will be compared head to head with Canon 1DX and Nikon D4S ? :O
50MP
14 fps
dual Bionz X processors
AF points that will block your eyes from viewing the scene :/
hmm.. I’m dreaming.
anyone willing to share his dream ?
You’ll need quad Bionz X and a crazy big buffer to deal with 14fps@50mp. It would have to be big with a rather large heat sink of some sort.
:/
you are right I will have to pull that 50MP sensor and replace it with a 20MP maybe
there is no reason they couldn’t do it at 24mp 😉
Umm .. I chose 20mp for larger pixel size for better low light performance :
That’s where the integrated vertical grip comes in lol
you may be onto something here
Hopes are high now for A99II … Long live A-Mount 🙂 🙂
Sorry friend thats not coming. I think a-mount is done but thats ok. I believe there will be a new laea adapter that will bring the to lines into one.
I have two E – mount cameras and even I desperately want them to release a new A – mount camera… I don’t get why some E- mount users bash you all.
I believe SONY wanted to showcase their innovation in E-Mount and by launching a7 series cameras last year they have proved it. Now E-Mount stream will continue to rise.
As we know, they have initially proved themselves in A-Mount already. So, its high time for A-Mount to come and both the streams A-Mount and E-Mount will contribute more to take SONY to outperform canonikons’.
LONG LIVE A-MOUNT 🙂 🙂
Everybody knows a 50 mp Sony camera is coming, but nobody knows in how many years.
This rumor started in August last year only to prove not true in February 2015. Canon kept their mouth shut and announced in Feb the 5DS, only to say it will be available in June.
We don’t know if this Sony 50 MP is true but all of a sudden this imaginary camera is better than the Canon 5 Ds LOL.
I would buy a Sony if it proves lighter and cheaper than the 5 Ds, but so far it only proves to be imaginary.
Uh… if you don’t like imaginary… then why visit rumor site?
I wonder sometimes why I am on SAR, besides unacceptable spelling mistakes, false rumors and artistic videos of boys and girls on trips not too much is going on here. Oh yes and free (or not) advertising of camera “deals”.
You are illiterate
I might be, but I am not authoring web sites…
touché
This looks like the start of a beautiful friendship.
douché is more like it.
“…artistic videos of boys and girls on trips”
OK. That was funny.
The only things we all know for sure are :
– Sony sensors have better DR than Canon’s.
– Sony cameras are always cheaper than Canon’s in the same class.
So just list your Canon for sale on ebay and wait with us for the new Sony 50MP camera 🙂
Sony has been consistently outperforming Canon in sensor tech for 5 full years. Do you really think it’s that far behind on this? Sony shipped the first 36MP sensor for Nikon back in early 2012. Since then they’ve also shipped a 51MP medium format, and a slew of new sensors for both crop and 1″ format, all pushing the performance envelope.
Sony just cranked out the A7m2, with IBIS, which Canon won’t (not can’t, won’t) do in their own bodies. You really think the A7r2 is that far off so as to warrant your level of skepticism?
I do not doubt about the sensors and specs.
I can tell you for sure there is a 100 MP sensor coming out, and it is true, but cannot tell you when, probably 5 or 7 years.
the rumor about both companies and their 50MP has existed for quite a few years. I know I heard about canon’s at least 5 years ago and sony’s around the same time. its nothing new. so until they are actually available and you get one, make.believe.
Will these now Sony cameras have a “Dead Quiet” Electronic Shutter like the Sony A7s for those of us who shoot concerts,candids,dance,performance and especially classical music concerts? I’m getting tired of waiting for an update for the Sony A7s with with better manual focus peaking, better auto focus and more autofocus points and the 5 axis stabilization. Doesn’t anyone else out there want a totally silent shutter camera? I’m very puzzled by Sony not focusing on either “dead quite shutter” full frame cameras or Sony full frame cameras with a “quiet mode” that is better than than the Canon 5d Mark III “Quiet Mode”. This is everthing for me and I don’t want to use a blimp enclosure like motion picture unit set photographers do.
These rumored cameras are the best product, very quiet and invisible too. And they also cost nothing, so far. I am telling you, the best cameras ever.
I want one too, top priority besides IBIS.
I want a global shutter allowing flash synch at any speed. That is all. Oh and it needs to be able to make coffee. Not just any coffee, really really good coffee.
Funny to see someone complaining about Sony not doing enough with quiet FF cameras. Right now, the three most quiet FF stills cameras on the market are…
…drumroll…
…all Sony! The A7S, the RX1 and RX1R.
“Some behind the scene rumors” so now there is a SAR level called “behind the scene”?
“to come in a special April (or at last May)” Why not say April (or May 2016)
English is not everyone’s native language (including the admin here) and as such the syntax can sound a little odd.
Find something else to complain about troll
Why do you continually
Post off subject, inflamatory, insults
Just to sidetrack everyone from the original comment,
And then call the legitimate commenter a troll.
Almost all your posts follow exactly that pattern.
If you are actually as concerned about cleaning up the quality of comments here as you pretent to be……start with your own!
I believe the point i was making was for the ‘canon guy’ to cut the admin a little slack with his syntax while offering an explanation as to why. I was specifically referring to the line “to come in a special April (or at last May)” Why not say April (or May 2016)” Now tell me how this is off topic
#banbarry
My compliments for registerng…now get an avatar so we all know you are legit.
Insults are always off topic.
You cannot compel others to change.
If you actually do want to clean up SAR do so by example
Be polite and no insults..to him or to me.
Thats all you can do and I cannot make you do it.
The up vote was from a n unregistered user, so I guess it don’t count.
It “does” count. My mistake.
You seem to have become collateral damage in my battle with trolls.
Nikon 1 plus 70-300mm and extension tubes. And Sigma aml 72-01..acromatic 1.7x diopter.
189/810equivelent. ..macro to 1″ subject at all focal lengths
All fits in a tiny case for use when I cannot carry a real camera…..surprisingly good quality but no substitute for full size system.
wrong thread, dim wit
how does having an owl next to your name make you legit?
#banbarry
Avatar. .en.gravater….are registered to you and cannot be impersonated…your screen name can be impersonated.
Loose the banbarry. Please.
#banbarry
You accuse me of trying to change the subject. You still haven’t explained how my previous comment was off topic? GET BENT BARRY.
#banGhostsbyscary
Are you retarded?
I have to wonder about Sony’s long delay in releasing thier high res sensor camera.
Perhaps they deliberately waited…with multiple new sensors to choose from…till after Canon was commited to thier new sensor…and are now replacing the 46 mp sensor they have talked about releasing with a 56 mp sensor.
This way Sony can maintain bragging rights for highest resolution.
This is just me quessing, I have no knowledge of an actual 56mp sensor ready to be released.
I have to wonder about Barry’s long delay in jumping ship and buying a 50mp Canon like he has threatened so many times.
This way he can maintain bragging rights for trolling. I suspect Barry was repeatedly hit in the head with excessive levels of force.
This is just me guessing, I have no knowledge of an actual blow to the head.
#banbarry
Why do you care?
I would still post here just to piss you off if I got rid of sony..
Besides I already bought a Nikon but only for limited use.
But again I ask…how many of these anonymous morons are you?
All of them.
So if we want to clean up the site by banning the worst trolls lets begin with the ones that meet the most of these requirements.
Anonymouse
Multiple screen names.
Baseless insults
Note…when I insult someone like you it is not baseless…it is a direct response to you own prior insult…thats the difference!
You have to admit that some of the insults are based on your erratic and repetitive posts and not at all baseless.
I have to admit I am Ghostsbyscary.
Barry with all the crap that you spew, you just ask for it. Baseless? In your case it is more like brainless. You are a broken record 99.9% of the time. I’ll admit I liked one of your posts, once. When you stop repeating yourself and stop with the self delusion (we haven’t forgotten about the special conversations you had with sony managers who gave you inside info the rest of the world didn’t have) then maybe I’ll stop calling bull$hit when you spew. Tell me did you get beat up regularly by the other kids? Somehow I think you ran away.
#banbarry #stfubarry
Lets get some stuff straight
I deliberately rephrase and repost stuff I consider important.
Sony reads SAR and a single comment will get lost here….you notice them dont you?
This will not stop.
I say me because I express my own opinions an actions.
My infamouse interveiw was my posting of info I was given that I believed to be true…and posted it on a RUMOR SITE…totally appropriate…the majority of my predictions are accurate…but they get critisized for being obvious.
I wss not good at running as a kid…but was really good at fighting.
Despite our differences we are both part of what SAR is and are not going anywhere…so lets drop the banbarry nonsense….you don’t need to like me but we can be civil.
you stop being so full of yourself and stop sounding like a broken record (that means say new things not just the same crap over and over)
when this happens you will no longer annoy me.
When you no longer annoy me I’ll stop with the #banbarry
Now get over yourself
I explained to you why I post as I do and why I will continue to do so.
If you allow that to annoy you than you will continue to be annoyed..that is your own choice.
I have responded to you politely an even enabled you to get an avater.
If you behave politely to me I will do the same….but if not I will respond in a manner consistent with the comment I am responding to.
You are being rude and insulting and I would preffer not to have to respond to you in the same manner.
Ignore Ghostsbyscary. He’s demented…
The same comments I made to him can be considered as intended for you too.
But that would be repetitve of me.
now you are learning
I still plan to be repetitive with comments I consider important, but I do not consider the comments I am making to the two of you as important.
it begs the question in the first place WHY? Why do you feel the need to be repetitive in the first place? Don’t come off all full of yourself in thinking that Sony listens to what Barry has to say. And half the time it’s crap that you know will never happen. Like Sony making adapters for full compatibility with Canikon. I’ve never heard such a load of crap. On the other hand someone commented today that someone like sigma that already works with all three mounts would be the company to make such an adapter. But I digress. You are a small minded child that refuses to see reality and chooses to stick his head in the sand when proven wrong. How do I know this? The Sony Manager told me when he phoned me last week.
#dullard
#getadictionary
#BANBARRY
#banbarry
#BANNBARRY
I need to be repetitive to answer the same questions you have asked me hundreds of times before and that I have answered you over and over again…
Do I think Sony listens to Barry..not directly but they absolutely do read SAR …thugh not every comment…fortanately I repeat the important stuff enough that they will at least notice what I have to say.
As for you….why why do YOU need to be so repetive…asking me the same thing over and over day after day…p ok sting the same insults over and over…20 times today alone..
You have managed once again to stretch out my 2 real comments into 40.
Are you actually foolish enough to actually do anything you ask?
Today was take pitty on trolls , turds, and bazzholes day……please do not expect me to waste this much time with you on a regular basis.
Dear Sony.
Please make E mount totally AF compatable with Canikon or make a canikon version of laea4…or license it to someone else to make.
Please make a high res sensor.
Please make a Sony 300-600 f5.6 or 4.8 for about $3000 with good close focus capability.
By the way..thank you for making the 5 axis IBIS for E mount and the 90mm f2.8 fe macro that I have so often asked you to make
And please continue to develope new technolgy sensors to replace the aging bayer sensor tech.
Thanx, Barry.
Dear spammer “animalsbybarry”,
you are a moron.
enabled me to get an avatar?
GET OVER YOURSELF
don’t do me any favors
correction do me one favor stfu
#banbarry
The above is not me. Stop using my name. It is the only name I use on SAR. My email address is only attached to this name. Go cry to the admin, after all isn’t that what you do best?
“limited use” LOL
Like Ghostsbyscary and I make “limited use” of our brains….
So what are you using for unlimited use?
Since you are another anonymouse screen name…responding immediately to comment to another troll screen name comment..I must assume you you are the same troll fishing for information to feed your appetite for more insults.
If my assumption is incorrect please disregard this comment and register so no one else will confuse you with one of those guys.
just did. I don’t need to hide from an internet idiot like you
GET BENT BARRY
I am not anonymous, never have been. I only post under this name and now that someone has started using my name, I am force to get an account. I’ll stand by my words. You’ve taken too many blows to the head.
#banbarry
maybe i should start upvoting myself like you do.
LAME
While I’m at it Barry maybe I should start up-voting my own posts just like you do.
#lame #banbarry #punchbarryinthefaceifievermeethim
Stop stalking “animalsbybarry”.
You are annoying.
That was an impostor!
You are an imposter!
You are Ghostsbyscary!
Classic Barry. This isn’t a dig by the way. I enjoy your musings and the frenzy they provoke.
I suppose Sony is waiting until it’s lens line-up has more… IT would make sense, every Canon owner (that’s ready to switch) mentions the lens lineup. That’s all Sony needs before taking over 😀
Where is that new sensor tech?? Admin was heating up with color filter shift, multilayer etc. new sensor tech. Vacuum, nothing, nada…
I think, higher MP do not bring the advantages a e.g.. multilayer sensor would bring. A 12-20MP real color sensor would be a really big step forward.
“I have no knowledge”, Barry you should just leave it at that.
Where did you see 56MP? Rumor says 50MP…..
How would you know what Sony is doing behind doors? If you knew then you would not be posting such comment. They probably are not using off the shelf sensor designs that are in catalogs for their flagship cameras …..
So the new sensor can be 39.5 50, 56, 46, 336 or 500MP just the same before they actually release it to public.
I clearly stated 56mp is totally a guess
Based on..scaled up 24mp apsc sensor would be 56mp…therefore it would be very technolically practical
Got it, thanks. I misunderstood your comment as declaring that Sony has no 56 Mp sensor
What delay? Sony currently produces the highest resolution 135 sensor available. They also produce the highest resolution MF CMOS sensor.
I’m going to meditate and ask the universe tonight…is this 50MP an A mount or E mount camera? Hopefully the universe will respond since Sony won’t. Om Mani Padme OMmmm….Will report back tomorrow….
I asked them and they said there is no A-mount , because Sony’s DSLT press release is always at Photokina on September.
As far as they know the 2 FF will be A7RII and A5 :
If I was betting money on what we are likely to get I’d be betting on what you just said.
I’m %80 confident that there is no A99II on this release because usually Sony releases the next dslt version after 3 full years.
A99 press release was on Sept.2012 so it should be on Sept.2015 , but I gave %20 for Canon 50MP release that might push Sony to release A99II few months early.
So our money is on the table let’s see who will be against us 😉
I totally agree on the A99, everyone goes on how it should have been redone by now. It’s a 3 to 4 year cycle just like CaNikon. Sept 2015 is right on schedule
Thats just BS. It’s not a certain time frame that rules the development and when to realease new products. It’s the market and engineering capabilities that are important factors. So yes it could be an dslt.
I’m just analyzing the rumor by giving reasonable factors that supports my opinion.
I hope it will be a dslt but it’s more likely to be a 2 E-mount FF cameras IMO.
now just learn how to negotiate and chat in a more respectful way , if you delete the first 3 words in your comment it would sound much better.
PLEASE, Sony, make it a 50 MP RX2R – mirrorless, with another fixed fantastic 35mm Zeiss lens!
Well, since the Canon 5DS has a sensor which is based on the technology of the 7DII this is no surprise. Sony sensors are and stay better. But man, did you see the performance of these Canon lenses? Not to speak about the amount of lenses including some very special ones you can choose from. Best sensor or best and unique lenses? Maybe I should start thinking of an adaptor.
”The new Sony 50MP camera is said to “easily OUTPERFORM” the Canon 5ds camera in terms of image quality at low ISO”
This is a description which could indicate a price equivalent at the price of the Canon 5DS, ie about $4000 +
IThis will probably be an A mount
”The new Sony 50MP camera is said to “easily OUTPERFORM” the Canon 5ds camera in terms of image quality at low ISO”
This is a description which could indicate a price equivalent at the price of the Canon 5DS, ie about $4000 +
It will probably be an A mount.
The 5Ds has two processors to manage the pixels. Due to the thermal limitations and small battery of the FE mount bodies this camera will likely be underpowered for the pixels it needs to push around. The processing power is not just needed for JPGs. It’s important for liveview, EVF, AF, and video. The original D800 tried to get around this by crappy line skipping and we all know how bad the liveview performance was.
Talk out of your a$$ much?
A brilliant response filled with well reasoned details. ad hominem much ?
This is speculation. There are octacore telephones much smaller than A7 line of cameras. Most of these phones feature graphic processor with hundreds of computaiton cores.
So if pixel processing is the thing Sony can put a nice graphics chip from the Z3 phone for example and crunch 50MP in no time at all…..
You know compute power doubles every two years. So if 4 years ago NEX-7 could swallow 24MP @10fps it should be possible to build a camera that easily does 100MP @10fps in the same form factor today and at similar price too!
I understand your point. However, it’s a bit more complex than this. I’m an electrical engineer designing processors (GPU, x86, ARM, and networking ASICs) for 20 years for all the major companies. The ASSPs that some of these vendors use are just off the shelf merchant silicon so they are not going to have many surprises.
If that’s true, then why the nonsensical baseless comments? Either your engineering expertise is limited to a narrow category of design or you’re just propagating BS (likely). Not a single thing stated in your original comment is verifiable or relevant to the camera about to be released. You should reserve comment until more technical information is available to avoid making a fool of yourself.
But then aren’t new off the shelf chip designs coming out all the times Adreno 330 now 430 and so on? Like 4 years ago there weren’t these types of chips on the market at least not that cheap.
Anyway you are probably right that things are more complex than sheer CPU, GPU speed.
Looking at Canon they did not manage any credible frame rate on the 5Ds. IT sort of feels as big let down – slow continuous, lousy video, lots of noise, capped top iso, limited DR…5D mk3 now look much better then it did couple of months ago
PS We will soon see where Sony lands their new camera. May be the 50MP comes in A99 form factor that will allow them to squeeze in more juice.
I also am an electrical engineer and I design lamps. Maybe you should also meet my dyslexic dog, who is designing universes since day 1. He speaks, too: Yom yom, I eat your x86 GPU ARM stuff for breakfast! Give me your camera, yom yom, I’ll have that, too!
That was Nikon 3 years ago.
This is a Sony in 2015.
Canon tech is outdated, not just in their sensors, but in their processors too. Just compare resolutions and framerates of the brand-new EOS M3 with 1.5 y/o a6000.
I would LOVE to take 50mp photos that dont have any more real resolution than my 24mp photos.
It’s very cool to tell people there are 50 million pixels in my shots. Hell,…who in their right mind is going to question the lables on the camera body anyway?
Perception is far more important than reality.
I see you have not been using Sony Zeiss lenses? Check em out, they will resolve:) Put down that 24mm-200mm and joint the brotherhood of excellence.
Heck even the normal Sony primes will resolve I bet.
In fact I will throw down: $20 to you if even my normal 50mm 1.4 sony ($350) lens doesn’t resolve the full 50mp at f4-f11 … Oh damm he didn’t… (jerks neck and points at the sky)
I need that new iMac 5K so badly 😀 Or working with 50MP RAWs will be like in slow-mo video… And I would not see any difference between 24Mpx and 50Mpx photos on my FullHD (2Mpx) screen anyway…
Whatever the stuff or price, I won’t place à new coin on that until it will come with real lossless raw processing
I am going to step out on a limb here because no one else has mentioned it that I know of but Sony has already been making a 50MP chip for the Pentax 645Z, Hasselblad H5D-50C, and the Phase One IQ250 and yes, we know that that sensor “easily outperforms” the canon sensor already. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a fixed lens MF camera. A while back on Sony rumors, they mentioned a Sony exec saying that there are no “interchangeable MF cameras” coming from Sony. Hmmm….makes you wonder.
If only. A fixed lens, curved sensor camera with innovative quality lens would be awesome. I expect it will however be an RX camera, no curved sensor and similar lens design.
Pretty sure this is going to be the new A mount flagship. It’s funny people asking “Please Sony make sure it has X, Y or Z feature.” Almost everything about the coming 50Mpx camera was nailed down well over a year or two ago ago. The best that we can ask for right now is that the software doesn’t have bugs in it. My guesses; will still have articulating screen, cost almost 3K, will come with new vertical grip, have improved tracking, have faster burst mode, will have IBIS, slightly improved AF, will have loads of direct-access buttons, will have top-plate LCD, will not have 4K. perhaps come with a new 24-70mm G kit lens.
The DSLR segment is 3X’s larger than the Mirrorless segment. Even though the A-mount 50MPx Sony cam will not have a mirror, it will be playing in Canon and Nikon’s backyard. Sony is trying to make a play for professionals and semi-pros, but needs a Halo camera to do that with. Just my guess.
Me, I can’t wait until Sony breaks the $1K floor with a FF NEX. Ok, I know Sony banished the NEX word even though they invested MILLIONS in raising it up.
Come on, seriously, no 4K? Any camera without 4K as a flagship camera is obsolete. 4K is an absolute minimum now, especially for companies like Sony.
Obsolete before it releases, that’s a new one. Please keep in perspective: it’s a photography camera so maybe focus on amazing still images. There will be plenty of 4k models from many companies in the near future so videographers will have options don’t worry.
Only when it makes sense. 4k output from a 50MP sensor is bound to be poor. 4k video = 8mp 16×9 still or 12mp 3×2 still. The closer to 1 to 1 (like the a7s), the better the potential quality. Going so high res makes little sense for serious video shooters.
“…The DSLR segment is 3X’s larger than the Mirrorless segment.”
Does that refer to Sony or the whole camera market? I’m pretty sure Sony sells way more mirrorless than A-mount.
I don’t really see (with all due respect to A mount users many of whom have exactly the lenses they need) why a pro would start out on A mount or switch to it. Canon and Nikon have been aggressively upgrading their lenses in the sense of creating new original optical designs. So far Sony has been doing that only with full frame E mount. While the Minolta designs were great for their time too many of the A mount lenses are from that era. There are a small number of nice Zeiss lenses , but they are pricey and no better (on the whole) than Canikon. Each of C and N have range of “halo” lenses that is plausibly the best (or best in the Af world) in their category. The only Sony A-mount lenses like that are maybe the 135 1.8 and the old but still unchallenged 135stf. Not saying the rest aren’t good, but can’t see why you would switch for it – whereas people are switching to E mount for obvious reasons. So development in A mount is really to keep the people using it happy. And Sony has a window to get a really good large mirrorless FF system out before C or N get serious about it, and if I were Sony that’d be my priority. I’d want to be positioning myself to be No 1 or 2 in the future where everything is mirrorless. That’s not here yet obviously: On chip AF has a way to go, and so does EVF resolution. But it close enough, and they don’t want to be No 3 when it happens.
Some good points but what I believe would be good reason for pros to switch over to sony is an amazing sensor for a decent price. This is less true since the d800 but I hear some justified grumbling from the canon camp that they are not improving the quality of sensor (dynamic range / color) on their 5ds model.
Also The sony zeiss lens line is really amazing I would say better than nikon and definitely better than canon. (not just the 135 1.8)
Starting from scratch: A pro would have a hard time arguing with the d800 or starting semi pro even the canon rebel series is good for the low price.
Personally, I hope the 50Mpx sensor comes in a FE body, but now is the time for the unveiling of the new A99 and the installed base of users with A-mount Sony/Minolta glass must be kept in the fold, lest they defect to Canikon. Probably over 90% of all Sony-compatible glass is A-mount glass. What company would throw away all of those customers hungry for a new camera to affix their Beercan to? I’m not telling you your wrong when you say most of Sony’s lenses are not up to the task of a 50MPx sensor. And how can Sony make inroads into the DSLR world without a DSLR-like camera? Sure, it could be another SLT with the ability to take the mirror out of the image capture path, but Sony needs a camera that looks like the Big Boys that people can look at and say, “That’s a professional camera.” For right now, better or worse that perception is tied to a fat A-mount body. You can only push against the tide so much, Sony knows that. Sony wants the Pro market, and part of that is looking like a Pro for your clients. I think most clients are not savvy enough to know that a lowly Sigma DP2 Quattro will out-resolve a big Nikon D810.
Condor, the entire DSLR camera output as compared to the entire Mirrorless output worldwide. Yes, Sony is likely selling far more mirrorless cameras right now.
ariliquin- I’m just guessing that the 50Mpx camera’s processors will not be able to to push out 4K with these many photosites. The FF A-mount traditionally has a far longer gestation than it’s A7 cousins. That A-mount model will not be video-centric. Again, hope I’m wrong. 4K internal will be the province of the next A7S model.
Any fixed lens camera should be high mp, curved sensor, electronic shutter and 8K recording to be truly innovative. Come on Sony, step up the pace 😉
Fixed lens *facepalm*
Obviously, you don’t know the benefits of ILC.
As I know, curved sensor is designed for mobile devices only (so far). Next generation of RX line would be great, but RX100iii doesn’t need any improvements (maybe 4k video), it’s the best compact camera on the market. I would love to see RX10ii with Apsc size sensor and 4k. Rx1 is perfect as it is, only very small downside is AF.
Nice profile picture….
Ghostsbyscary = Anton Berlin = Max Berlin = Bob = Meta-Troll. It’s obvious to everyone.
This is not true
I am Everlast the chaos theorist = Meta-troll = Anton Berlin and Bob
https://disqus.com/by/ever_last/
I am unique unto myself, the only person I have issue with right now is Barry.
simple as that
#banbarry
Then Anton’sGhostScaresBobtotheMax seems perfectly fitting.
Wrong:
Ghostsbyscary = animalsbybarry
The rest seems to be correct.
a7rII? Really?
Questions to Sony: You’re playing catch up to Canon, really?
NAB 2015 is a few weeks away and you’re playing catch up with Canon?
If you don’t have a clue, let me just say that by the end of NAB 2015, you have another catch up game to play with a7s.
it’s not a catch up game but obviously every E-mount camera have only 1 year life cycle , while Sony DSLTs have 3 years to release the new model.
right. after that “sell by” date, if you will, it’s no longer edible
nobody complains if you don’t comment
So the rumour is that Sony will release a camera with a high MP sensor before Canon does and as such they are playing catch up? Right.
Of course they are playing catch up.
Why 50MP??? Why not higher or lower?
And, again, if they are going to release a a7r II before NAB 2015, be sure to have Canon release something in the Cinema DSLR department that trumps the a7s.
At which point, what? release something with the same megapixels as the Canon and say its going to come in on the same time Canon is?
Catch up to Canon you mean is Sony looking backwards to see if they can still see them . Canon threw together a 50 mega pixel and at the time of the announcement they said it has the same IQ as the 5Dmark 111 and not as good as Sony
Anything about an A7Sii? Terrified to buy current version only to have it obsolete in 6 months
“Obsolete”- If it can take pictures it’s not obsolete:)
Obsolete in this context means no longer used. Silly autists
Obsolete in Bracey’s context means no longer produced
No, in this context he means, “Not having the newest version.” People will continue to buy and use the a7s after the a7sII arrives (like the a7).
Computers were obsolete after 6 months of its release. That doesn’t mean you can’t use the computer.
I disagree, obsolescence is not simply a matter of not being the newest.
But they continue to buy A7 because it’s cheaper. If A7SII is released, Sony will decrease A7S prices. I agree with Bracey, it’s not a good idea to buy a soon-to-be-discontinued camera.
Better to wait for the new one (and maybe buy a discounted old one). Resale value must be taken into account too).
For those that need the newest features or for those that will see a greater ROI on the newest version than that makes sense. For others, it may not be so clear. Let’s say an a7sII is released with IBIS & internal 4k for $3500. Meanwhile, the a7s drops to $2000. For enthusiasts, budget filmmakers or those who do not need IBIS/4k the a7s will make a lot more sense. For the $1500 saved, a consumer could purchase the 35/2.8 & 55/2.8 or one of the stabilized zooms and an adapter for other lenses, etc.
I’d rather buy the A7S discounted than now if A7SII come in few months.
I take that back. Sorry.
As I said before on this forum, I have personality issues.
I’ve not seen full frame cameras updated on less than 2-year cycle. Unless there is a defect of course like Nikon recently.
What about A7 and A7II?
You are slow-witted, aren’t you?
Not as bad as you of course …
Indeed… you are much worse actually….
Get some professional medical help Bob!
Dull, childish, predictable reply.
You are a hopeless moron.
You need help, Bob. Now!
You don’t. You are hopeless…
“Chaos theorist” uh?
You might want to consider consulting a psychiatrist….
That’s why I’m waiting for an A7Sii. Then I can afford a A7S. 😀
I wish, that SONY will bring better, more sturdy Lens Mount Adapter to this new line of A7 cameras since FOTODIOX Lens Mount Adapter was a RIP-OFF.
First one as well as second one called LT version.
I am making this comment out my own personal experience.
I think they made it more robust starting with the a7s.
I believe SONY wanted to showcase their innovation in E-Mount and by launching a7 series cameras last year they have proved it. Now E-Mount stream will continue to rise.
As we know, they have initially proved themselves in A-Mount already. So, its high time for A-Mount to come and both the streams A-Mount and E-Mount will contribute more to take SONY to outperform canonikons’. 🙂
LONG LIVE A-MOUNT 🙂 🙂
this guy gets it 🙂
Sounds like an ecumenical sermon.
Sounds like a stupid comment…
Sounds like a stupid comment about a stupid comment.
Sounds like a more stupid and childish reply….
Sounds like a more stupid stupid and childish reply to a really childish reply.
I think we’ll see something that simply outclasses the 5DS. There were rumours of a second FF model that 36mp and 12fps. That’d be the one I’d buy.
If the a7rII doesn’t have EFCS a lot of photographers won’t by it. I lost count of the amount of times I saw people commenting that they sold their a7r because of the shutter. Once bitten…
When I turn EFCS off on my a7 or NEX-6 they behave like a rattly old Gatling gun. Not something I want against my eye socket when using the EVF.
I’ve invested in nice glass for my A6000 and would welcome a new body to further exploit my Zeiss 12, 32 and 24-70. Weather sealed & stabilization to help me shoot on the mountain and improve IQ in low-light.
I just sold mine, but the a6000 is a great camera. Best aps-c camera on the market. May I suggest a FD-NEX adapter w/ focal reducer and and a canon fd 50mm 1.4 or 1.2L series lens. Or the fd 20-35L f/3.5
I wonder if sony will upgrade exsisting cameras with H.265 4k onboard w/ picture profiles??? I’d download it as an “app” and pay for the upgrade.
(Plz no one say anything about over the sensor overheating).
I can’t see the 50mp camera being an A-mount. FE mount has been a boom for Sony. It is a unique product line that sets Sony out from the competition. The amount of effort they have been putting into FE mount products with zero mention of A-mount…etc. Wishful thinking.
Sony wouldn’t be taken seriously by the professional market if they didn’t have a Flag Ship FF DSLR.
In order to be taken serious by working Professionals you need to offer a FF DSLR (even if you’re losing money selling it). Even Pentax is launching a FF DSLR this year.
There isn’t a mirror-less cameras on the market I’d use as my primary camera. My current A7S (absolutely brilliant secondary) is used alongside my A99. They compliment each other rather nicely.
I plan on replacing them with an A99II and A7S II.
Taken seriously by whom?? other shooters?!? Perception is a strange thing. I have been shooting with my A7 since release and now with the A7II. I don’t miss DSLRs at all. Clients don’t care if you shoot on mirror-less. Since the image quality of the A7 cameras are so good, it is an easy sell. The days of the ‘professional’ only camera has gone. Every man and his dog owns a 5DIII. FE seems to be the new Flag ship.
Won’t take much to out show the Canon 5ds?. I think Canon is actually about 2years behind Sony now.
It makes complete sense that Sony will entrust their highest MP sensor to their DSLR line of cameras. The A99 remains their “Flag Ship Camera” and its replacement will obviously have a solid set of feature.
A 50mp sensor would probably be enough of an image boost to get some of the die-hard mirror-less types onboard.
Sony wants it’s users using both interchangeable lens platforms, so they can pump twice the cash out of you.
I don’t think you can call a camera a flagship, when Sony neither advertises or markets the camera in any way, and new lens releases are announced to the sound of tumble weed.
Unfortunately it seems the only flag it is now flying is a white flag.