Patent of the entry level Sony A5 FF camera.
I know the last 6-7 months have been a bit slow on the rumor front but the main reason was that Sony had “only” one camera announced (The A7II). Sony slowed down the mad product release cycle they had the previous years. But now the time has come again to bring some real big and highly trusted rumor!
In May Sony will announce new E-mount cameras. I am now working with all sources to grab info about those. If all works fine I can at last share some SR4 or even SR5 rumors soon. So far I can tell you I got E-mount camera rumors only but I have high hopes Sony will bring a new FF A-mount camera this year too. I am just not sure that cam is coming in May.
One more thing: There is also a Sony product announcement on April 12. But I believe there is “only” camcorder (maybe E-mount camcorders) coming.
Stay tuned on SAR. Let’s the comment speculation party begin 😉
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That’s great news to start the day. Let’s see what Sony have up their sleeve.
@Admin
Have you heard any rumor on a new A mount or you just hope? I am on the verge of going with the D750 but I can wait if it’s gonna worth it.
No “reliable” rumor. Only widl things 🙁
I doubt you’ll have an regrets with the D750 and Nikon glass.
I can tell you, that i have sold my old brave F3, the Alpha 5100, the A99, and
now ( and all Sony-lenses) after riding last 20 years ( sony-horse-man yeahh:))
what?
4k APS-C 10 bit on hdmi-port A 7000? yes no?
If yes it would fit perfectly to my Kineraw mini 4k.
and the GH-4 and my tiny LX-100……..so what?
The A7s should have been from first dday a A5 MODULARE..
body
extern-4k-recorder
gear and so on..
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to buyyyyy now nexxxxt 10 yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars sloooooooooooooooooooooooow the..
are you cracy in japan? canon-slomo-virus? samsung-ice-freece-afraid-ness?
no not with me.. by 20 years now something totaly diff..
Is that image a hint regarding rumors your getting about an A5?
Yep. I got some rumors about t. Not sure it will look like on the patent.
So can you not publish those rumors?
I am using the little rleiable inof I have to squeeze out mroe info from other sources 🙂
Sony became good in playing hide and seek…
Expecting A7r II, A9, A99 II this year, to answer D750 and 5DS/R.
Doubt Sony could afford an release of A99 II in 2016…
Imagine an Monochrome sensor with an shifting color grid.
Would match pretty good the monochrome and shifting patent we have seen few months ago!
Btw @SAR_Admin:disqus :
reliable
Yes, they changed quite a lot on their internal communication policy. I till ahve top notch sources that know everything but they of course are now very careful. They can only “Hint” me some stuff to remain” safe” 🙂 But that said I am on the good track to find way around the Sony information blockade 😉
@SAR_Admin:disqus
You got hired by Sony, thats your workaround. 😛 😉
I would love too 🙂
I hope Sony realizes all the ‘buzz’ and product excitement that SARs generates for them. You can’t buy that type of advertising.
Only thing that SAR generated is the “death of A-mount”, so its rather antiadvertising for Sony. ;]
The lizards are coming !
How likely is it for an A7rII or A9 to be in that May announcement as one of those cameras? The only source I have said not this year.
Muhahahah
RX2 = 3000 euro fixed lens
A5 = 700 euro interchangeable lens.
“A5 = 700 euro”
Muhahahah
I’m interested in buying an a7rii. You originally told us there’d be news in february, then it was the end of february, then it was the start of march, then it was the end of march. Then it was april. Now it’s may.
I don’t doubt you know something but it’s hard to judge when to buy. If need be I will buy the a7ii but I really need those extra mega pixels as I’m doing 30inch prints.
Is it possible I can email and get some more detailed news from you? I do not mind signing an NDA and you can sue me if I share the information. I purely want the information to determine when and what camera I should buy.
I don’t want to waste another month for you to then say it’ll be announced in june.
As it stands, someone could simply write “a new camera will come next month”, and keep writing that. Eventually it will be true but it doesn’t mean they have any reliable information
It will look like the smallest possible body that can handle a battery and a FF sensor.
@SAR_Admin:disqus what is the likelihood of a soon, ie. spring, announcement of a RX2? Thanks
The original announcements made it seem like the curved sensor RX2 was just around the corner, but I’ve read a few websites saying that the Sony prototype of the FF curved sensor was nowhere near 24MP so I’d speculate that a production model is a long way off. Hard to say really.
But on the other hand, why would Sony have made that announcement, knowing that it would take sales away from the RX1/RX1R, if they weren’t about to release it?
They never announced a product, they filed a patent. The rest were only rumors.
They released images from a prototype.
Oh my, that’s my everlasting dream too. A state-of-the-art RX2 with a relatively fast and compact zoom lens, better AF, (4K)… Global shutter maybe? They can price it >$3000,- for all I care. I won’t need any other body or lens with this beauty, however irrational my dream might be…
Oh well, not really in a hurry…
APS-C or again FF ??? that’s the ONLY question Admin ?? thanks
FF almost for sure…
Thanks for your information.
Would an “A5” preclude an APS-C “A7000” in May? In other words – any rumors regarding anything APS-C?
Working right now on more info. FF for SURE!
yes !
Please try to find how wide will be the default kit since they won’t sell it without one.
35mm or wider ?
FE kit lens is the 28-70mm
Entry-level models usually don’t come with the same kit lenses as the high-end models. So expect something cheaper.
That’s the cheapest lens they got right now.
If they make a new kit lens, that’s another news on its own.
Not really. A5000, A5100 and A6000 all share the same basic kit lens: the 16-50mm.
I don’t think the A7 is a “high-end” camera. The FE 28-70mm is an “entry level” lens.
The FE 24-70mm f/4 is the “high-end” standard zoom lens.
Should I expect something cheaper than the 28-70?
I really can’t.
What kind of lens are you suggesting?
Something like a small sized 24-70mm f/4-6.3? Or a 24-55/24-60 retractable powerzoom?
nice..the question that’s burning inside me, if it was a FF in a smaller body, similar to the NEX5 series, does it have an EVF or not? If it has an EVF, will it be an optional one as an add on ( like on NEX5N/R/T ), if so, is it a new one or could it take the ‘old’ one from NEX5N, or is it built in? ( and therefore actually being closer to NEX6/A6000 )
Is there a hint about when in May, like first or second half? I have been holding off on buying the A6000 since that one was announced a month after I purchased the NEX 6 and the NEX 6 dropped in price like a dying whale but I need fast AF in May..
It is usually early May that Sony make announcements. Sony A77 II and NEX series were announced early May.
Historically Sony are announcing things in January (Some times ahead of CES), early May, late August/early September and in late November/early December
Brilliant, You just cover 6/12 months there, a good chance of being atleast 50% right. well done.
Well historically they release photo products up to 4 times per year. I have not seen camera announcements in from mid June to mid August (2 months), mid-Spetember to mid November (2 months), mid-December to new year (half month), mid January to May (4 and a half months).
So we cane exclude about 9 months out of suspect dates for product releases.
He’s not guessing, he’s basing that on past announcements. In fact, most camera announcements by any manufacturer are made in those four periods of the year.
Except A100 (June 2nd) and NEX-C3 (June 8th) the remainder of May/June announcements tented to be in early May
NEX-3/NEX-5 – May 10, 2010
A77 II – May 1st, 2014
NEX-F3 – May 17th
So lets hope for early May photo announcements.
Sony never announced any photo gear in March/April (except may be ILCE-3500 which did not really get wide publicity).
late March/early April has seen many videography announcements – the FS series, the A7s camera, the 28-135/4 lens to name a few
A7s II could be announced in April though with internal 4K recording improved codec and IS
SONY, please, I want an A5 with FF sensor and IBIS in a NEX5n body. The smaller and lighter the body, the better.
It will overheat in video for sure….lenses for full frame are not very small on average….Why would you want such camera?
I would want one too, and it got to have an EVF, best an articulating one as for the NEX5n, I’d use ( as on the 5n ) my tiny rangefinder lenses on.
So you want an A5 with everything the A7m2 got and then som, just a little bit smaller and significantly cheaper…
cheaper and with wider lens, no evf
Im shure there will be wider lenses, both small, and larger and faste. Im also quite shure there will be wider loxia lenses. However, your “everything all other camera got only cheaper and smaller FF A5 camera”, Im not so shure about.
A5 full frame + 24 mm lens kit please
IBIS in a NEX-5n body?
Unlikely.
That would be nice, but higher clean ISO may be the easier option, as it negates the need.
please no more NEX5 like bodies any more. I prefer A6000-like bodies with touchscreen. Even if thinking about a body as small as possible I want to have at least a standard-hotshoe and a popup-flash. Someone can sacrifice a EVF, but please do not sacrifice an “adult” hotshoe.
Our humpless A7. Cool!
Well, I check this site less and less, and with good reason!
First, you said, major announcement early 2015 (January-February).
Then, it was late March – early April.
Now it is in May (one year after A77ii), which I guess is correct.
I am quite sure the sources (and you) knew from beginning when the announcement is, you just need to keep people visiting this site.
Also, all info of the latest products came only a couple of days before final release, so you offer no advantage, compared to standard review sites.
If I am considering changing gear and/or mount/system I need to know what the future holds for a year or two in advance, not two days.
Even Apple has leaks, and SONY would have none? I do not buy that …
You have now really lost a visitor, cheers!
You’re right, this is all a cunning scheme for Andrea to makes all the millions of dollars he’s making. How does it feel to be a pawn in such a giant, international mind game?
There are leaks and rumors out there. However, SAR cant just go blabbing everything Amdrea hears. That would really piss of Sony bug time.
Sony has already contacted SAR and I guess put Andrea on notice about the domain name.
So SAR has to play things “safe” and stay in Sony’s good graces. Light rumors here and there are good for Sony’s business. Heavy duty product leaks with detailed specifics could be damaging to Sony.
So yeah…SAR wants to help Sony…not hurt it.
You actually buy in to all the ‘trusted sources’ crap, don’t you? lol
“I need to know what the future holds for a year or two in advance”
Please….
A year or two in advance? You can’t really be enjoying photography, IMHO.
I’m enjoying it a lot, even with my 5 to 25 year old equipment.
What I meant with a year or two, is of course not whether the third iteration of the same body, with the same sensor will receive further tweaks, loose a ton of features in FW and gain a gadget or two, but if there are actual plans to release A-mount stuff 2 years down the road, or will there only be E-mount bodies with adapters, if lenses will cost an arm and a leg or only a sane amount, etc …
Of course managers of SONY avoid answering this, but I am quite sure that it is well known with the insiders. I used to be a good friend of a SONY artisan (or whatever they were called), and he knew most of the long term plans at least a year in front. He knew of the Nex 7 before I heard about it here on SAR (quite a while ago), of course not by name but by description. Haven’t talked to him for quite a while (since 2011 I think), but I’m sure that people like him still have info. Why it doesn’t leak to SAR, or why SAR doesn’t publish it is a different story I guess.
I know the situation changes fast within SONY, but definitely not so fast that they would shift an announcement every month, for one month.
Thanks for the explanation. It makes a little more sense to me now.
Me too.
the past 6 months were slow you say? I would also add that they were highly inaccurate. What about the sr4-sr5 rumors of A9 coming in February ?? Recently this site is all about posting “first-look reviews” from other sites and flooding us with links to amazon “special offers”. How many of us are holding our wallets for the SAR rumored A9 (which might come in a year or later in the end)? Instead of just jumping on the A7II and be happy…meh, admin…very meeh!
ban him muhahahaha
ban me muhahahaha
Ban peppe impersonating me. stop reading this site if you don’t want
I didnt impersonate you..thats not my thing.
If you dont want to be impersonated then register your lazy a**.
Guess I should do exactly that, but lets see about this new hyper-duper rumor, how its going to turn out…
A5 full frame + 24 mm lens kit please
Please please please, just give me two memory card slots!
Deal. Only two memory card slots without a body for 800€.
Agreed?
Haha, touché. Moreso I meant in the A9. But really, I think every camera should have that.
I don’t think it’s needed if WIFI options are improved. I’d rather redundancy to laptop or tablet if it means keeping the body smaller.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m fully in favour of redundancy, it’s a requirement. But I think with wireless options improving, certain features can be changed.
It should also be possible to have a memory card WITH redundancy. Rather than buy a 32GB SD card, why not have 2x 16GB in the same SD card? Obviously it’s not that simple yet but it’s easily possible to manufacture.
I think dual slot ideas are archaic and poorly implemented. Look at the 5d mk 3 as an example. If you insert an SD card into the SD slot, the compact flash writes 10x slower! All because they put a terrible memory controller in the camera. Having different card readers is just awful too
Yeah, that all sounds much clunkier than just having two SD slots. Redundancy on one card doesn’t account for a lost or destroyed card. The A99’s dual slot works perfectly for me. But I can’t shoot a wedding on one slot camera.
Two card slots won’t account for a stolen camera, nuclear missile, etc
Oh right — Nuclear missiles… Better make it three cards, then.
English humour?
Yes. I just couldn’t take their replies seriously.
The majority of professionals that need redundancy can get it using wifi (assuming wifi were to be faster).
The majority of cards that fail are not because the card simply “breaks” but because of bad sectors; this wouldn’t exist with in card redundancy.
“I can’t shoot a wedding on one slot camera.”
Yes you can. A little line in your legalese “cannot sue for more than half the cost of the wedding”. A tablet can not only back up the photographs but also show photographs to people at the wedding.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favour of two card slots if it’s done correctly, but I think for professionals there’s other ways around the problem. Most non professionals don’t care about dual slots.
If dual SD slots can be put into an a7ii sized body without sacrificing something else, then go for it. Another idea would be to have a battery grip that has a second slot.
I’m also surprised cameras don’t have onboard 64gb storage. It could be a form of redundancy
The day the Nuclear Missile is coming down…
Canon users will be shooting this historical moment while Nikon users are running for their lives.
Sony users will be saying…Oh No, A-mount is dead for real this time!
WIFI is a good thing for redundancy when you are at home or in a studio, but when you are on the go, it is less of an option.
An SD card with build in redundancy will not work when the card gets stolen.
So two slots are a great thing to have, for me personaly not realy important, but for others it is. All the new technology does not change that.
This site has become utterly useless. Info here used to be great and quite decent quality…
I don’t care if you post million links to (mostly) poor deals but why pretend you have any real info when you actually don’t?
I agree
that’s harsh, this site can’t be blamed for sony taking so much time to get it right, BUT the excessive linkage to dubious sellers to save a few bucks is wearing thin, overall this site is very good
A5 FF 700 euro kit +
Zoom lens Sony FE 24-240 F3.5-6.3
OR
Sony FE 35 F1.4
OR
Sony FE 28 F2.0
The kit lens would be more likely the FE 28-70 or a new smaller zoom.
The 24-240 is massive compared to an A5100-like body.
a RX 2 with a little zoom 35-60 , and I’m in heaven, or a A9 with global shutter, no HSS hassle around. 1/2000 sync done!
too expensive RX2 with fixed lens for 3000 euro
A leica is Even Double the Price. For me Would ne the Right Cam. It always Horses for courses!!
FF A-Mount? Are my eyes deceiving me? Please give more information on this long-anticipated rumor!
admin said that there are no A mount rumors but that he is still hopeful for this year… so there is basically nothing as far as A mount goes…
So is “Hope” the same as SR0?
that’s what it sounds like to me…
We had “SR5” that there would be major new cameras in VERY EARLY 2015. So with that reliability of SR5 rumors, where does that put “hope”..
But we got the A58 around March of 2013… A77ii in May of 2014, so IF A-mount has a pulse at all, I would hope to see an A-mount by summer of 2015.
My guess is, that Sony cant afford an missing A99 II in 2015.
D750 from Nikon is very good, so Sony should answer it quite soon.
If they want to make any inroads at all against Canon’s 5DS and Nikon’s D810 they’re going to have to go all-in, not half-assed. It’s going to have to be 50mp, 4k video, huge buffer, IBIS, and hopefully some surprise tech we haven’t seen yet. Otherwise, they may as well just give up the mount, as everybody has been guessing.
the D750 is looking more and more tempting the longer i wait for a new A99
Instead of waiting for a camera that may never come, why not buy the camera you’re interested in and start shooting? Life’s too short for this waiting game.
because i already have cameras and actually shot all weekend. I’m just looking to upgrade and a switch to nikon is an expense i would like to refrain from if possible.
My heart is still with Minolta ….I mean Sony but I sold my collection of A Mounts (Zeiss and G series) two years ago and moved to Nikon D800E and now have two bags of optics for the 800E (5 primes and 3 fast Zooms) and Nikon creative lighting systems gear.
I still think that Sony has the technology but I couldn’t wait for new A mount gear to replace my A900’s and the FE wasn’t ready for MY requirements.
But I’m still looking at Sony anyway.
If you are about creating images then you find gear that fits your needs and pocketbook and shoot. and shoot and shoot.
If you are more about gear then you wait and search the Internet for reviews and tell your life-partner that you can’t take the picture because you don’t have the proper thing.
If you aren’t black or white and can see shades of grey, and don’t like wasting money, even if you have lots of it. You’ll research properly for the optimum product, then you’ll buy it. You’ll shoot with it, and when it’s dark or daylight (depending on what type of photographer you are), you’ll have time to post
I got tired of waiting and went for the D750. In many ways, it felt like the proper A99 upgrade. Yes, I miss EVF and live view. But get a similar 24mp sensor, but with even better dynamic range and far better ISO performance. Upgrade from 6fps to 6.5 fps with a slightly bigger buffer. Get the wider AF focus point spread. Similar size and build quality. Similar price point.
If Sony were to follow the D750 blue print: The greatly improved AF system, improve ISO by at least a full stop, price it around $2300… while retaining EVF/live view, then the A99ii would be a major winner.
i would be coming from the A900 so would be a lot more of upgrade for me too! lol i would prefer an EVF i think but would still be happy with live view on the D750 since i dont have either on the A900.
From an A900, you will feel a very natural upgrade to the D750. The A900 has a very slightly larger viewfinder. And you will lose 1/8000 shutter speed for a maximum of 1/4000. But you can account for this by using the D750 expanded ISO to reduce the ISO below 100 if necessary. Other than those 2 things (and obviously losing IBIS), every ounce of the D750 will be an upgrade. You’ll see a tremendous AF difference. Probably at least 2 full stops of IQ upgrade. And most functionality, Nikon just does a bit better — far more customizable auto-ISO and bracket shooting. Far better flash system.
Sony does win with in-camera HDR and Panorama on their newer models, if you use those features.
I don’t think Sony should complete in that market anymore.
People who want the traditional DSLR should get a Nikon, people who wants a mirrorless should get Sony.
As many people here, you fail to realize that there’re many people out there like me who don’t want either.
We want an SLT.
many people here..
you mean very few people in the whole wide world lol
That’s simply not true. A65/A77, despite zero marketing from Sony, sold quite well. Not surprising, since SLT combines best from both worlds (EVF + fast AF + fast lenses), and many people appreciate that.
There will be no more new A mount cameras.
What is your source, troll?
Last two years
The past isn’t the furure.
Exactly what I would say to Nikon about their F mount
Salmon doesn’t grow on trees. Are we having a meaningless statements contest?
nex(t) unusseless mirrorless lensless
You haven’t thought this one through, have you?
> “One more thing: There is also a Sony product announcement on April 12. But I believe there is “only” camcorder (maybe E-mount camcorders) coming.”
I’ll be super stoked if this is a very affordable priced FS200/FS1 camera with 4K, slow motion, & ND filters! (i.e. a successor to the FS100)
We need A99 II, A9, A7r II, A7s II, A5, A7000, RX2, RX20, right now! Make it happen!
A7s isn’t even a year old.
We need food to eat, clothes to wear, a home to live and a little love. This, and maybe an RX2 + zoom lens.
“enrty level” compact FF camera? Who is that targeted at? Soccer moms that are looking for a more shallow depth of field?
Most “entry level” buyers dont even know or care about what sensor size even means.
Is this for A7 owners that want a second B cam to mount a different lens for quick snap shots?
“Entry level FF” means targeted at current Nikon DX or Canon APS-C users that are not satisfied with the forced upgrade path to bulky FF DSLRs. The A7 is already close, but if they can get a model closer to the $999 mark it will be a massive hit.
Entry level or not, I’d be interested if it has an EVF. And hopefully it means more compact lenses like the 35/2.8.
We want NEX7 refresh. An A7000 APS-C. We don’t want FF. No need for FF at all with current sensors.
why so egoistic? YOU want that A7000, not everybody! Some want the A6000 (me) others want a FF DSLR (large heavy with the “here am I” look) others wants a small FF camera, others wants a 1″interchangable lens camera etc.
Sony has to cater them all…
And for one thing, when you look at DXO you will see that the latest 24MP FF A7II has better Collor depth, better DR and better High ISO scores, so with the current sensors, some might like the better IQ that FF gives them. And don’t forget the better DOF you get with a FF camera. You need more expensive lenses with an APS camera to get the same…..
Compare DXO marks between A6000 and A7. When you account for the awful thin DOF of FF there is absolutely no difference between them.
Maybe you like having in focus only tip of the nose of a person, I don’t.
You never shot with a FF camera did you? You can handle DOF just like you want. Many, many great photographers use full frame (and even large format) cameras to take great portraits. Yes you have to know what you are doing, but then the results are great, better then APS,
Remember, in the past we only had FF (35mm film) and large frame (6×6 and even larger…)
Both the focal length and the aperture is multiplied for crop to full-frame equivalent. F2.8 on a full frame would require f2.2 for it to look the same on a crop.
I prefer the full frame look but for macro usage I can see the appeal with crop
Epic fail, Bob….
You suck at math, as always….
APS-C crop factor is 1,5x, so about f/1.9, NOT f/2.2, on APS-C is equivalent to f/2.8 on FF.
2.2 x 1.5 = 3.3
Take note, Bob…
You’ve simply multiplied the aperture by the crop value. You’re forgetting the equivalent focal length change.
35mm f2.2 on a crop looks like 50mm f2.8 on a full frame
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
Load this up twice
What are you talking about???
“35mm f/2.2 in a crop looks like 50mm f2.8 on a full frame”
WRONG. Inaccurate, to say the least.
You said it yourself: “Both the focal length and the aperture is multiplied for crop to full-frame equivalent.”
If you do the math:
35mm f/2.2 on APS-C 1,5x crop is like 52,5mm f/3.3 on full frame.
35mm f/2.2 on Canon APS-C (1,6x) is like 56mm f/3.5 on full frame.
35mm f/2.2 on a 2x (m4/3) or 2,7x (1” sensor) crop doesn’t look at all like 50mm f2.8 on a full frame…
You should be more specific in your statements.
“F2.8 on a full frame would require f2.2 for it to look the same on a crop.”
As I said, WRONG:
As example:
– 75mm f/2.8 on FF looks about the same as 50mm f/1.8 on APS-C
– Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 for APS-C (1,5x) is about the same as a 27-52,5mm f/2.8 on FF
I suggest you to read this very well made article:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why should-i-care
A6000 was the NEX7 refresh…
Yea right. Shitty EVF, no tri navi, no level gauge… It had nothing to do with Nex7.
They better make a version of the EA2 adapter for Nikon lenses. This will be fantastic!
it will NEVER happen
How much could you really dumb down the A7 to make it even more entry level? More likely, the A7 will just eventually see a price drop to $999. We’ll see a premium A9 for $2300 or higher… The A7r and A7s will remain on the market in the $1500-$2000 range. A7ii will drop to $1500. And A7 will be the entry level $999 full frame.
“Entry level FF” is indeed a hilarious example of marketing gone over the edge. But the term “full frame” has proved to be stronger than heroin. No one wants to be ridiculed for using a (shudder) “crop sensor” for their priceless photos; who can say no to “Full Frame” even if they don’t even know what it means?
35mm film dimensions were the result of deep research into the physics of light, which revealed that photography would be optimal at that size due to basic physical constants. Yes I just made that up.
Not even an anouncement till may?
I certainly hope this is because Sony plans to come out with something substantially better than the 50mp Canon or the previosly rumored 47mp Sony sensor.
Canon made a point of showing the 120 mp sensor from 2010…probably as some sort of hint.
Sony could trump thier 120mp threat by scaling up thier 20mp bsi 1″ senspr to ff at over 150mp, or even make a aps h size version.
Of course threy could actually surprise us and produce a new technology such as thier color sampling sensor.
Somehow however I expect Sony to do the bare minimum necessary to be a small step ahead of Canon.
Incedently Newcamera just rated Samsung the best new apsc camera ….that is of course if you don’t need to put any lenses on it.
“Somehow hpwever I expect Sony to do the bare minimum necessary to be a small step ahead of Canon.”
That’s how the game is played.
Question Barry: How many people do you think realy want or need an over 50MP Camera? How many people are willing to pay the price for the lenses needed for such a camera? How many people are willing to pay the extra amount of monney needed for the extra processing power needed in the camera to develop the pictures?
In the end this megapixel war is stupid. For most people 16 MP is more then enough (even 6MP is enough for a large number of people) When you do not crop to much, and you do not print to large (over A2 or so) you don’t need those extreme resolutions. But I know people want the best and the more the better not true?
With the new 4K or 5K monitors 16MP is no longer big enough to cover the whole monitor screen without stretching. 24pm above has become necessary. Photos without stretching look fantastic on my new 5K iMac!
Must a photo cover the whole monitor screen?
5K monitors currently have terrible colour rendition. We don’t know when/if that will improve.
4K monitors with decent colours are 16:9. I know of very few 4k monitors. The nec EA244UHD is quite good but even that is not as good as it’s lower resolution 16:10 brother.
So a large portion of those 3840×2160 pixels remain unused when displaying a 6×4 photograph.
Even if we take the widest (3840) dimension, we can compare that to 12 mp (4240 x 2832) photograph.
You suck at math
>5K monitors currently have terrible colour rendition. We don’t know when/if that will improve<
Nonsense.
More misconceptions spread by the decibels of Lloyd.
They aren’t as colour accurate as something like this
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7336/nec-pa242w-monitor-review/4
It’s not nonsense. The 5k panels are fundamentally flawed at the moment. The imac 5k retina screen has delta values > 5 on some colours.
Avoid 5k for colour accurate work at the moment
Figures I’d give the wrong link but the nec PA242W-BK-sv is good for colour accurate work
Data like that is top of my list with Anton’s 11+7 compressed Raw issue. It won’t be seen for 99.999999% of real-world imaging.
A lot of the hue shifts can be seen with the 5k displays. I see your point and it’s a valuable one to make, but in the case of 5k and 4k, a lot of the panels are visibly pretty poor. If objective data doesn’t prove it to you, fair enough. I will talk from a more personal experience; I’ve witnessed greys not being grey and so on. The panel technology has not matured yet.
Please do some research on the panel technology before blindly assuming I am overly critical on the matter
>A lot of the hue shifts can be seen with the 5k displays<
Because they cannot be seen on lower resolution monitors. Learn to profile properly.
Non sequitur
Canned response from you when called out for BS spreading.
It’s not user error; your reply is fallacious. 5k tech is simply inferior right now. It’s not matured enough
Wow, according to what, your testing or someone else’s? I suggest you read less and test more like the rest of us mr 11+7.
Hurry up dingbat Bob, I’m washing my hair
You’re blind
Really, thanks for another astute observation, idiotic comments abound in Bobworld!
Todays full size camera market is shrinking as more people go to smaller easier formats such as cellphones.
Those remaining do so for something more than the cellphone or action cam can deliver.
So without a doubt full size camera users will continue to demand more …or leave the market.
Yes people go to cellphones to take pictures. Not because they are small, but because there is a camera in it that takes good enough pictures for them.
People who buy “real” cameras wants the better IQ, the more features, and the better creativity that these cameras make possible.
Most people are not demanding for more resolution or more features, they may want smaller cameras, with the same capabilities (like fast AF, high quality pictures and a lot of lenses….
People won’t go away from the large sensor cameras as there are no new features (like high resolution, they keep on using their old cameras.
It is the camera manufacturers who wants us to buy their new stuf, and so they have to put in new features if we want them or not…
” Not because they are small”
I disagree. I think the size/convenience has everything to do with it. It is small enough for them to have it with them at all times.
” there is a camera in it that takes good enough pictures for them”
I know people that take photographs with their phone, they complain about the image quality but it’s the camera they have with them at the time
You are right: the camera in the smartphones are the most used cameras for just one reason: we have our smartphones with us all the time.
The reason most peopel are not buying a “real” camera is that their smartphones take good enough pictures for them. That was what I was talking about. People who find the smartphone picutures not good enough buy a “real” camera to get the better pictures they want or need.
These people still use their smartphone to take pictures when the have no real camera with them and they compalin about the IQ of the smartphone camera as they know the IQ of their “real” camera.
There is no camera for everyone.
Canikon is succesfull because they make products for the differrent needs of thier differrent customers…and because there will always be a suitable product available when your needs change.
You don’t “need” better lenses for more mega pixels. If you downscale a 50mp image to 24mp, it won’t look worse than native 24mp. It will look better because noise divides by zero.
50mp raw files are very, very basic tasks for modern computers to process. If you think a tiny camera can process them, what makes you think a 16thread computer with 32gb ram can’t? Lol
Photography is very basic stuff for modern day computers
In fact you DO need better lenses to resolve the 50MP cameras! Why in the world would buy a 50MP camera when you don’t need the resolution of it. When you use cheap lenses on these cameras it is like putting the wheels od a mini on your Ferrari, you will not be able to use the power of the motor, but you can tell the ride at low speed is good enough for you, and better then in the mini as you can sit in leather chairs…
And about the processing power, I was talking about in camera processing power. You have to move around a 50MP picture from inside the sensor, to the buffer and from the buffer to your SD card. You need a larger buffer, a larger and faster SD card (when you want to take pictures at the same speed) you need a faster processor, all this cost moneyor you will looose performance…
I’m not interested in your stupid metaphors.
If you have camera A with a 24mp sensor. A lens. Take a photograph.
If you have camera B with a 50mp sensor. The same lens. Take a photograph and downsize to 24mp.
The photograph produced by the 50mp sensor will not be worse. Putting a bad lens on a 24mp sensor will not make it a good lens. Putting that lens on a 50mp sensor will not magically make that picture worse (when comparing at the same mp).
A sharper lens is required for per pixel viewing but it is optional. What is not optional is to get 50mp out of a 24mp sensor.
My point is that you do not NEED a better lens for a 50mp sensor. It is optional if you want per pixel detail
“And about the processing power, I was talking about in camera processing power. You have to move around a 50MP picture from inside the sensor”
Going from 8bit to 16bit has a similar effect; furthermore, mores law applies to processors; in addition, the option to shoot at 50mp at 1fps and 24mp at 5fps is better than being fixed to a 24mp sensor at 5fps.
Hopefully this clarifies things for you
When you buy a 50MP camera, you buy it as you need that resolution right? So when you need that resolution you need the lenses that gives you that resolution. If you dont need the resolution why buy a 50 MP camera when the cameras with less MP are cheaper and as good?
hopefully this clarifies it to you….
Flawed premise; flawed logic; conclusion from flawed premise and flawed logic. Oversampling will always improve image quality where all else is equal; in addition, current lenses are sharp enough to resolve 24mp aps-c which is equivalent to 50mp full frame; furthermore, lens issue aside, image quality will still improve; therefore, flawed argument
“Oversampling will always improve image quality where all else is equal”, problem is not all else is equal. These sensors are not BSI and if you simply add the pixel count this exacerbates pixel shading. More circuitry takes up more space on a sensor of the same size, blocks more light, especially at the edges. Readout could also be a problem. You get crappy bursts and maybe still no EFC. If a7rII still doesn’t get EFC I’m out.
And processing 50mp isn’t as easy as you think. My 3rd gen quad core i7 lags seriously after a couple dozens of spot removal on 24mp RAW.
“And processing 50mp isn’t as easy as you think. My 3rd gen quad core i7 lags seriously after a couple dozens of spot removal on 24mp RAW.”
Photoshop writes a huge file to the HD with destructive editing if done incorrectly; you likely don’t know how to set up ramdisks, don’t use SSDs properly and don’t know what you are doing with photoshop.
You’ll likely be offended by this comment and reply with garbage. But if you actually educate yourself, you will get good performance out of a 24mp raw.
My computer handles my h5d shots absolutely fine (16bit 50mp).
Thank me later
Tell us more please.
Show us some of your work.
Aint gonna happen, cause its crap & I’m a phony
Your turn
https://i.imgur.com/PouCqEJ.jpg
Early version used for Olympics.
Show me yours
By the way, the paint was applied in photoshop and not on the model. If anyone wants advice on how to do it, let me know
I’m using Lightroom and Lightroom only.
The same logic applies
You’re telling me to change tools or use files 10 times or more larger than usual raw to achieve more speed, I’m telling you that means I need more processing power
I’m telling you that you don’t know what you’re doing with the tools you have. Dunning-kruger effect.
I’m going to take a wild guess and assume your cache settings are set to the default appdata dir with default size
I don’t claim to know this stuff. I do claim to enjoy leaning. Tell me more about cache settings and so forth to make my system faster. I’m dead serious.
I’m still waiting for your see your work, now I want to find some logic in you being here
Like I said, you’re blind
Non Sequitur
https://i.imgur.com/PouCqEJ.jpg
Your turn
WTF IS THAT POS????
I’m done with you – YOU TALENTLESS IMBECILE!!!!!
Perhaps I was simply getting your IP from you downloading the photograph
We already have your IP…. dear smartass…
Series of photographs taken by a hasselblad for the olympics, with paint applied in photoshop not on the model. It kind of disproves everything you’ve been saying, especially since that series probably made me more money than you earn in a year
You are a demented quack.
This picture was taken for 2012 European Athletics Championships.
It’s NOT true that the paint was applied in Photoshop.
You know no shame.
Google search for this image on Google images.
It’s not his as he claims…
Another Non sequitur coming up – there it is
Come on correct the grammar
You remind me of Sheldon in the Big Bang Theory. Except your not funny.
Which lenses do you have for your Hasselblad?
I have all the lenses Hasselblad make, I’m sponsored by them
You care more about my camera than I do
Are you serious???
THE EDGES – IT’S THE EDGES ON FULL-FRAME – god you are thick!
Higher MP means no AA means sharper edges when compared to lower MP full frame. I am not thick
Optical physics; you do not understand obviously
There ids no reason to make gasoline because horses only eat hay…and there is no reaso to buy an automobile because they can’t run on hay.
Moore’s law – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Typo, I meant that when I said “mores law”. My bad
No one cares, Bob, no one cares…
Go away, smartass.
Well said.
Oversampling reduces aliasing, moire and demosiacing artifacts, regardless of the lens you use.
So if you think you need to buy better lenses for higher rezolution than thats even more reason they should make higher res…to sell is better lenses.
If your lenses are good enough for your current camera why would you buy a new lens?
Tell that to my work computer that processes 1/2 a million photos a year, uploads / transmits 1/4 million photos a year, and my hard drives that store all of those originals + the exported, edited files.
You’re just being childish. Clearly if you have a million tasks, it’s going to take a million times longer than just one task. The fact remains, editing a photograph does not tax the processor very much compared to other computational tasks.
If it did, people would be using photographs for benchmarks and to check the heat of the CPU.
They don’t…
There’s roughly 31536000 seconds in a year.
31536000 / 500,000 photographs = 63 seconds per photograph.
It takes less than a second for lightroom to process a photograph.
The biggest time of all is is of course going to be you editing but I’m talking about processing time.
500,000 / 365 x 2 = 2739.72602739726 photographs per 12 hour day. I struggle to believe you take that many photographs in a day.
If you have to work that hard, you’re doing something wrong. Unless of course there’s a group of photographers and they’re all using a computer. In which case, you’d have multiple computers.
I feel like you haven’t given us all the information and even if you have, it’s irrelevant to my point
“I feel like you haven’t given us all the information and even if you have, it’s irrelevant to my point”
First off, relax, it was a lighthearted reply. The lecture in response is unnecessary. Secondly, see the attached photo. I grabbed a snapshot of my 2014 catalog. The count is at 241, 620 photos. This is after I deleted rejects and many unfledged photos (and does not include January and February) at the end of the year.
While I am not willing to put in the time to get an exact figure, I would estimate that we took about 400k shots, so no, not quite the half million. Our primary body, a Canon 1D-x, is at 650K shutter actuations and we use two other bodies. We (2 other secondary photographers who substitute in when I am unavailable) generally shoot only on business days not 24/7.
I disagree that it takes less than a second for lightroom to process a photo. Just from import to preview render on my 2014 Mac Pro certainly is longer than that. Performance has been a bit disappointing on the mac pro in LR5, which I hope LR6 remedies.
I would also argue that people do use photographs for benchmarks…in fact it is very commonplace for benchmarks to use photoshop as a reference point.
I just bought the exceptional Nikon 1 70-300 mm lens that produces a 189-810mm equivelent image .
At 18 mp…soon to make a 20mp veearsion….this produces a surprisingly high quality image.
So why do I only use this camera whenI cant carry a full size camera? Its smaller, cheaper , lighter, more dof , more versatile, and I can carry it anywher, so what do I need a bigger camera for?
The answer is for higher quality than the smaller camera can provide….for me I would als poo want that to include higher resoluion.
More and more people do not need a bigger camera…only by offerring increasingly more quality will people have any use for big camera formats.
You really are a complete waste of space.
You have been spamming SAR forever with your demands for a ~50mp sensor. Now that it might actually happen you’re now asking for a 100mp+ sensor.
I’ve suspected you’re nothing but a troll for a while, but now you’ve proved it.
Bazzinine as always.
“Canon made a point of showing the 120 mp sensor from 2010…probably as some sort of hint.”
As some sort of hint? No it was to show what they use to check lenses with
You’re in for some more self-prescribed disappointment.
I just think 4 FF bodies with just around 10 native lenses is bit of an overkill. If they are going then id rather they produce a flagship sports E mount camera with improved a6000’s OSPDAF than an entry level model.
an incredibly long wait for sony to bring a99/rx1 replacements, if rx1 replacement is even coming at all
I wonder if there is really a market for the RX1 with the A7 series now around. What’s the advantage of the RX1 over an A7 camera?
The A99 replacement is definitely due if not overdue. It’s hard to imagine why anybody would buy the A99 anymore, compared even to an A77ii… The A99 IQ is barely better than the A77ii, and twice the price.
Re RX1… size.
The RX1 really isn’t much smaller than the A7.
http://j.mp/1aPWDiI
The only real size difference is the hump for the viewfinder.
And the lens you attach.
I have both, and even with the 35mm f/2.8, the A7 is bulkier, and has a slower lens. The draw of the RX1 is the combination of sensor, lens and size. It also looks and feels more innocuous when you want to be discreet.
You lucky bastard have both? O_O
which is quite significant.
If only you realized how stupid your statements sound. SMH
Is there a market for a Fuji X100 with the X system cameras around? Obviously, since it’s now in its third generation.
Global ekectronical shutter !! No Otter Camera has it!! Sync with 1/1000 of a Second no HSS , just full Flash Power.
a7000 with IBIS and 24MP APS-C withOUT lowpass filter! with bigger shift EVF!! and shifted to the side monitor!!!
Yes! And flat profile in video mode. And 4K. It´s okay with a 5 min limit to escape overheating.
And for just over $500 right?
Unfortunately they are shoveling FF down our throats. All we want is NEX7 mark 2.
Are we? Or are you? I love my A6000, that makes not that everybody loves the A6000! Others love their A7x cameras and you like your Nex7.
There is one thing I don’t understand: When you bought your Nex7 it was the best camera out there and you paid a lot of money for it. Yes newer and better cameras came out after that, but that did not change the quality of the Nex7 and the pictures you take with it. You must be happy Sony is not updating the Nex7 every year or so, as it would make the resale price of your camera a lot lower. And would you realy want to spend $1400 every two or three years, just to get a minor update?
A6000 EVF sucks ass, plain and simple. NEX7 EVF is lightyears above it.
I want A6000 noise and dynamic range on my NEX 7 with its awesome EVF and tirnavi.
Lot of us want it.
No reason to use HUGE FF lenses.
Huge? 35mm is smaller than the 24mm. 28mm is smaller than the 24mm. The last new body was FF, the body prior to that was crop.
Sucks ass? Works fine for me… Maybe it’s not as good as the NEX7, but that doesn’t mean it “sucks ass”. It’s a perfectly usable EVF. If you want to see an EVF that really does suck, take a look at the a3000; then you’ll get a better perspective on what “sucks ass” really is.
You did not read what I said did you?
I said that there are people out there with a different oppinion then you. You like you Nex 7, for good reasons (good for you that is).
You tell that the Nex 7 EVF is lightyears better then the A6000 EVF (that, by your words, sucks. I find the EVF of the A6000 good enough for me, it refreshes faster then the Nex 7 EVF, so it works better when doing action shots.
You claim you want the A6000 noise and DR in a nex 7 body well look at DXO and you will see that the Dr of the Nex 7 is a little bit better then the DR of the A6000 and the noise is not that much worse (less then 1/3 of a stop) So you could say that your wishes are granted… 🙂
Huge FE lenses huh?
Yes! Exactly that. I don’t need full-frame, but I’m totally primed for a significant upgrade to the a6000. This camera has changed my life. Seriously.
This comment section reads like a list to Santa Claus.
It’s called Sony Claus. Its all about the spirit of receiving!
This is a crazy site… Some comments disappear without any reason…
That’s Disqus fault if it happens.
Please explain us about Disqus errors.
Any APS-C RX coming?
How about when you remove remarks that aren’t trolling? Your policy for removing posts seems arbitrary. Offensive remarks often go unchecked.
I wish for a Sony A3 mirrorless in a size of a match box, adequately cheap for its size, with FF sensor and optional 4-axis IHIS implant. Add-on DU grip to balance my 500/4 lens would be apreciated. A set wide to gently telephoto zoom lens should be at least F1.8, very sharp corner to corner but still reasonably compact and lighter then 118g to keep the combo balanced. Do you listen to me, Sony? Do you??
Please be a new APS-C body.
sony a7r II with full electronic shutter and thin sensor glass or bust.
It’s coming. I’d rather wait if that means every month Sony can up the performance. Don’t rush perfection.
Once they come out with A77 AF performance (not even A77II) I’m on board fully. I just can’t ditch the A mount till I can be confident in the AF. That and…well…touch screen. Done done and done.
As long as the touchscreen feature can be turned off. Not everyone wants it…
It’s not an absolute necessity, but in certain applications it’s quite nice. The AF is my main reason to wait and pass the A7II.
true that
“I’d rather wait if that means every month Sony can up the performance”
Non sequitur; that’s not how manufacturing processes work
Ignore me.
That’s how the engineering process works, just ask one.
It does logically follow my previous statement. They’ve stated that literally…every month…they are making increases in AF performance for their mirror less cameras.
That might matter for next gen but not for the a7rii as those changes will be in the one after
Much can be done in the fine tuning of software right up until launch. You talk like you know a lot but wow, you miss obvious things.
I hope a7rII won’t end up like Xperia Z4–no breakthough, lots of wait.
Has a Z4 even been announced yet?
No but we know the camera’s not getting a curved sensor since not even that has been announced yet, and there’s been no leak of s-master at all, and since it’s Sony and not some Chinese company they’re probably not going to use discrete audio, as for everything else, thinner body, more waterproof, 810, 3/4gb ram, 5.2 inch 2k screen, same old, same old…
Oh I’ll be getting s6 edge btw
throw in a quiet shutter and I’m buying
RX20 !
With a bit longer zoom (not that much, because maintaining IQ is essential), 4K (not essential, but future proof), GPS, Panorama, good macro 🙂
The RX10 is the most under-appreciated camera in Sony’s range. Video profiles & cropping frames are all that’s really lacking from the RX10.
I really wanted GPS too but I’ve been learning more about how inaccurate they are. You should look into the etrex 30 GPS handheld devices. They’re small, generate a GPX log and you can match the times up in lightroom
Shoot a shot on your smart phone, import into the project file and tag the rest.
You can also generate a GPX log from the smart phone’s GPS and import that. It’s simply not as accurate as the etrex but it’s cheaper
Smart phones are OK if your within three towers, pseudo GPS otherwise.
I love the demands on here about what Sony should do next. Like buying a camera gives you some sort of say in what the company should do. Unreal.
Not buying it does
It doesn’t.
Say that to the minidisc system
The Minidisc was far better aurally than MP3. I was a 1st adopter on the mini-disc and lamented its decline in the marketplace. More proof that Amerika luvs itself a 39 cent cheeseburger….
I agree. I tend to use FLAC now
I really love running and going about my day with a giant stack of disk in my pocket and a fairly large device strapped to my arm. People don’t want a 39 cent cheeseburger. They want portability and ease of use. Not everyone sits alone at home in there recliner listening to their music on ultra high end headphones. Give me a 8 gig iPod shuffle over a 20 song mini disk any day. And at 480kbps you won’t even be able to tell the difference, actually I don’t think the MD even play that high.
But this gun really really really kills them and it’s bigger and heavier so it’s got to be better right?
I don’t listen to shuffled lists, I listen to albums. Do you use the same random method when reading novels too?
Must have structure; ABC, 123……..god forbid any randomness creeps into our linear thought process.
I love how you’re like “not everyone wants to eat a carrot, some people want to eat a sirloin steak!” When perhaps rib-eye might have been better.
My point here is that mp3 has convenience sure, that aspect of it is good. We are talking about audio quality though.
FLAC has convenience too, but it is higher quality than mp3. It’s difficult to actually buy high quality songs in some cases. MP3 is simply an atrocity.
It sounds awful
Musician now, wow. No doubt you swim like a fish too Dave!
One camera = one vote.
If we support a company, it’s their duty to support us. That means giving us exactly what we want. Without our money, they wouldn’t exist.
I don’t even know where to begin with this comment… it’s too ridiculous.
LMAO. It really is
Corporations have priority over people according to you? Why else are you siding with THEM?
I said nothing of the sort, and you have no idea what my priorities are. I do however, live in the real world.
Shh! Don’t yell, the black helicopters can hear you.
You really have a nice sense of humor. LMFAO.
It is nothing wrong to have hopes and dreams though. It would be way worse if no one wanted anyting new at all since Sony then wouldn’t make money in doing new things since no one would care for something being new and improved.
“Citizens of the world. After developing a conscience, the executives at Sony would like to apologize for cheating our mirrorless customers from true 14 bit color for these last several years. While we feel truly remorseful and guilty about this fraud, we realize that the majority of you will lap up 11+7 bit color like it was Big Mac special sauce you were licking off the wrapper. Rest assured, Sony will continue to make a line of average lenses that are carefully matched to never exceed the astigmatism, banding and pixelation that are hallmarks of our mirrorless line.”
Wow, show me some examples, I’m not seeing any of those issues.
Lol. I think they’ll give us 14bit on a more expensive model, and later take it away
Stupid comment
They did it with GPS
And Betamax, stupid comment
Cano 6D, battery issues with GPS. Sony A7, battery issues without. Do the math, or make more stupid comments.
etrex 30; 29 hour battery life
a7, 1hour battery life in snow.
I has a 1.5kwh battery drain, the 10wh gps is not going to make much difference
Have at it, enjoy. I’ll stick with a lesser accurate iPhone & iCloud.
They did it with the level guage
It’s missing from the a7ii? What
Why do you keep complaining about it then? If it’s such an enormous issue for you, just switch to one of the other brands that you clearly find so superior.
“just switch to one of the other brands that you clearly find so superior”
If there were two women (assuming you aren’t gay) to choose from. One fat and ugly. One pretty with aids.
Would you happily go to the fat and ugly woman or try and cure the aids?
He hasn’t brought up other brands. It’s a side issue. He’s criticizing a valid subject to criticize
That is probably the dumbest (and most offensive) thing you’ve said on here so far, and there’s a lot to choose from.
I changed my mind.
Please Admin, erase my comment.
2 new cameras please: A7000 with IBIS and 4k and A7s with IBIS and internal 4k -Samsung and Panasonic can do 4k in multiple cameras and Sony already have IBIS -so Sony stop playing with us and put your best camera out, not some coldly calculated incremental lazy kaizen crap
It’s simple to do 4K internal recording with a smaller sensor.
Smart Phones already do 4K recording.
A7000 should be able to do it since Samsung is doing it with the APS-C.
New A7S…maybe Sony won’t release it until they can make FF sensors do internal 4K.
Yes, something that’s actually promising! I hope A7000, A9 and A5 is really coming!
So you will buy all three then? Otherwise, why do you care?
Do you really wanna buy everything you care about?
That’s not what I’m saying. What I mean is, why would anyone care if a product gets released or not, if they have no interest in buying it? He said he hopes that the three cameras are coming, implying that their release would somehow be of benefit to him. Why, if he has no intention of buying them?
Is it a problem for you if I care? Do you have to buy all three of them just to care? Do you have any problem with me? Tell me. Or is it just a butthurt statement?
seems like pointing out that recently the rumors have been widely incorrect and the only real info were getting are the hands-on-reviews from the other sites (+amazon links) will get you banned 🙂
This is not a troll and definitely the truth. We got tons of A9 rumors, 5DS competitor, A7RII coming, that sony is skipping the show just like last time and that they will announce it 1 month after so in April … Well we got 10 rumors about that (10 times the same rumor), 250 tidbits, affiliate links and review links and at the end it is a E-mount camcorder (well we don’t even know lol). Still, I spent probably 5min a day on this site the last months. Find the error …..
FF entry level camera Sony A5 is an empty box in my opinion. Not worthy to buy it if it s just to get a FF sensor with nothing around to reduce the costs.
Instead of releasing their new alpha series like last year ath the beginning of spring ( april 2014), Sony seems to go on with the BS policy and release cameras just before summer. They are takin the risk everybody get their camea yet or don’t want ppl to watch prof reviews of the camera on internet before buying?
For someone who only cares about better IQ (than crop sensor), but not about the latest features, EVF, build quality or ergonomics, it’s well worth buying. A lot of people got along just fine with the old NEX-5, after all.
Yes, the lenses cost a fortune anyway.
Cost difference is subtle in the end.
It could be time for Nex-FS200 with IBIS, Slog3, 4K@60P and slow-mo 150i/s@2K. Come on April!
For 6500$ that will be good deal.
A7rII with IBIS + A7II exterior please . . .
Efc too
Yes, forgot about that – a fully electronic shutter option would be even more welcomed!
This new entry level FF camera – Besides being physically smaller, what fratures will Sony cut out to seperate this model from the A7 series?
No peaking? No Zebras? No clean HDMI?
They gotta lock out something on this thing to protect the A7 models
What do you think abot the EVF? It wll save real money for Sony and not everybody wants a camera without one…..
At a guess, take an a5000, scale it up to fit a full frame sensor. It’ll almost certainly reuse the a7’s sensor. What I don’t get is how they’ll differentiate it from the a7000
It will be easy to differentiate – one camera will exist and the other will not.
So which one will exist?
Haha, which one?
Same difference as between 6D and 7DM2. Consumer body with FF sensor vs. pro body with crop sensor.
According to Anton….they’ll simply cut out 80 percent of the RAW data file. Super lossy, at a super discount.
According to Rawdigger actually.
https://sonyvnikon.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/rawdigger.jpg
Rawdigger, who does he shoot for, where can I see his work, publications, galleries? Moron!!!!
Rawdigger is a program, not a person
I think that’s my point (pssst. I’m not really called Bob either).
Nice try…
EPIC!
I take a screenshot of this one…
Graphs…Still only graphs…..Yet to see an actual example….Having used both the A7r and the D800/810 I know there is no difference…But why let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy…
Bought A7II recently so don’t care about new bodies much for a couple years. Only like to know I will have good replacement for A7II in future
How you liking that thing.
As an armature very satisfied. IBIS is a killer for night/low light photography. Taking shots with like 1/15 with 55/1.8 indoor looks very good. Good build, EVF, focus peaking and focus magnifier are the things I really love about this camera. Also have F32M flash which works very well.
It’s time for the A99II. Feb is long gone and no A-mount stuff has been released so far.
I hope Admin is unable to hook the right source for A-mount otherwise Sony might be as trustful as their statements are.
New article posted at NikonvSony – I tested the A7r and D810 with the Zeiss Otus 85mm and shamed DXO for their calculated test results on the FE55 on the NEX7 and A7r.
https://sonyvnikon.wordpress.com/
Oops – SonyvNikon…. that is
Stop spamming, Max “Anton” Berlin…
“You might as well shoot JPEGs on an iPAD.” That right there pretty much invalidates the credibility of your entire post.
You lose 20% of resolution and get 1/6th the color information using a Sony mirrorless. That brings one down to iPAD territory.
Sure Anton McBob.
You are using an adapted lens, and you don’t tell what adaptor you are using.
Could you please use the sony zeiss 55 1.8 and show your results with that?
Look at all those charts… Moron.
Neato …
A valid comment, with a valid explanation of mine, which further clarified my first comment was simply erased.
And then being called a troll even 🙂
Just out of spite, I’ll start my own rumour site.
See ya’
Admin,
I’m interested in buying an A7R II.
Is it possible I can email and get some more detailed news from you? I do not mind signing an NDA and you can sue me if I share the information. I purely want the information to determine when and what camera I should buy.
Admin,
I’m interested in buying an A7R II.
Is it possible I can email and get some more detailed news from you? I do not mind signing an NDA and you can sue me if I share the information. I purely want the information to determine when and what camera I should buy.
This is the funniest thing you’ve said.
Indeed
I think the one where he pretends to be me and asks what bokeh is, is pretty funny. It’s ironic really because I’m fluent in japanese and bokeh isn’t even a word even though it was originally taken from japanese.
The word correct word in japanese is “bokashi” and not bokeh
You’re Japanese but your name is Bob?
Bob isn’t my real name. Is thinkinginpictures your name? Your parents must have loved you
My real name is Tom. My parents were gorillas. I made the part up about the gorillas.
Do you know how the profoto canon commander works on the sony? Obviously ETTL won’t work but the more basic none canon version doesn’t have a screen.
I was thinking of getting a profoto b2. It’s a neat flash
No, but please let us know how it works out if you do buy. Profoto B2 sounds awesome.
Now that was a funny comment. You have a sense of humour after all.
If I were Japanese, i wouldn’t have said that I’m fluent in Japanese. That would have been a given fact.
Touche….touche.
Bob-Sensei and his bokaski-BS
Gibberish.
Non sequitur
Barba tenus sapientes.
Keep it up, but until we see your work we won’t take you serious
I didn’t write those comments.
No, it was me. Sorry about that.
All you Bobs are crazy.
Actuaully, it is a real word. We call people like you Bokeh.
Subjective and therefore irrelevant like his professional credentials
right you are AlphaBoy, certainly there is the noun ‘boke’, transcribed with an added ‘h’ only for aiding english speakers to get the pronunciation right which nevertheless little people do, pretty much all explanations on the net say it is ‘bo’ as in ‘bow’ or ‘arrow’ which is wrong.
Best summary of original Japanese word and specially pretty much the only place on the net to explain the right pronunciation and sound files to listen to it: http://www.martinbaileyphotography.com/2009/03/18/bokeh-pronunciation-meaning-and-practical-use-podcast-181-2/#comment-104703
he doesn’t not mention ‘Boke’, the counterpart of Tsukkomi in the traditional form of Japanese stand up comedy ‘Mazai’ which I find essential, at least for my own understanding of ‘Bokeh” though I may be quite lonely in that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzai#Boke_and_tsukkomi
http://www.japannewbie.com/archives/000122.html
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph…sukkomiRoutine
http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/boke.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_owarai_terms
https://fantasticmemes.wordpress.com…tsukkomi-quiz/
http://pdf.jpf-sydney.org/newvoices/5/chapter7.pdf
http://www.najaks.org/?p=948
its from the word , Pu ki
You learned about it on Wikipedia a couple of days ago….
Wikipedia:
The term comes from the Japanese word boke (暈け or ボケ), which means “blur” or “haze”, or boke-aji (ボケ味), the “blur quality”. The Japanese term boke is also used in the sense of a mental haze or senility. The term bokashi (暈かし) is related, meaning intentional blurring or gradation.
“I’m fluent in japanese”
ROTFL
Looking forward to read your comments in Japanese….
How many Bob’s do we have here?
Major Sony announcement sometime in the future
Any sources for that or are you just guessing?
His sources are in the future.
Not surprised tat Sony takes its time to announce more details to the A7R successor which many are eager to hear. Sony simply has no pressure – there is no competition with Sony’s mirrorless full frame cameras (Leica excluded here as much more pricey rangefinder alternative). And Canon continues to be slooow in getting the rumored 50 MP sensor out with uncertain DR quality. So Sony can relax, they likely have a better 50 MP sensor already ready to go for the A7R II and/or A9 series. My guess is that Sony will release specs of those high resolution cameras after Canon has made the final announcement of their 50 MP DSLRs….
Exactly my throughts. Sony already has the A7 II, and the A7s is still pretty new. The next FF E-mount will be the A7r successor. However, I’m wondering whether Sony is able to bring out a 50 Mp successor with wanted improvements like EFCS and OSPDAF. Maybe even IBIS. Would be a dream camera for sure.
IMO, my dream camera would have the next gen 24 mp sensor without AA filter, IBIS, EFCS and a6000 AF coverage ~ 358 focus points. And throw a fully articulated a77/99 like LCD in the mix including joystick for easier AF point selection. Maybe the A8?
I think it is a fairly safe bet that Sony will put focus on improving the AF system first in their next gen (semi-)professional mirrorless cameras to become more attractive in markets where reliable and fast AF is needed and which brings in more money. I also believe the cameras will have IBIS and full or partial electronic shutter. Personally, I will continue to use my A7R for a while to come and likely jump over this next generation of cameras. I use either Canon or alternative lenses in MF on my A7R, so AF is not essential for me. Since I am shooting mostly below 100 mm FL, in body stabilization is nice to have but not a must either. Full electronic shutter in the A7R would be an improvement, but I don’t mind having the mechanical one either. Only if the potential new Sony FF sensor has even more DR than the existing one, then I might consider upgrading. Just my 2 Cents :).
All they need to get a lot more Canon and Nikon users on board is that AF. Major dumpage going to happen if they can do that. Can’t just be fast FPS…has to be accurate, especiallly with rack focusing. If you can market the worlds first “pro grade” AF mirror less camera…you’ve just made the ultimate object of photographic desire. Well, maybe do that sensor tilt thing like EM5 II and allow for 100MP stitched files.
My guess is a RX2 and a7R II or a9..whatever it will be called.
If guest posting was disabled here, 90% of the insanity would disappear.
Leaving 100% insanity behind.
Guest posting is what drives page views on this site. Without guest posting and trolls it would just be a few Sony fanbois licking each others taints.
Well said my fellow guest poster, well said.
Full frame haters unite! Tonight is the night! Say no to full frame!
Spread the word! This is absurd! Bigger is just lame!
Smaller’s where it’s at! Just ask the bumblebee bat!
You allz’ brainwashed! By marketing hogwash!
Say no! Say no! Go Go Go!!
I upvoted cause you’re clever.
Will they release a7000 with a new kit zoom? And if so, will they start offering that new kit lens on a6000 at that time as well or will they keep selling a6000 with older kit.