At last we know the new first FE lens will ship on March 12. It’s the 24-240mm FE OSS lens! And the other three lenses are likely to be released in April.
Our reader Cabala shared us those pics of the new Sony FE lenses (Source: caba1a.com/sony-of-cp2015). The picture on top shows the max length of the new 24-240mm FE OSS lens. He writes about that lens:
“The weight is OK, balance was well on the old small grip A7 body. The zoom ring is sooo hard to turn, maybe this was a preproduction lens, but still uncomfortable on my hands. The lens filter size of FE 24-240mm is 72mm, the coating showed a fantastic color.”
This is the Zeiss FE 35mm 1.4:
My impression was: big, heavy, solid, classic. The focus speed was great, bokeh is great. The focus ring was so big, I don’t think people need that size. Accurately the lens felt like an all metal Sigma Art lens, and aperture click switch button was on it which means it was also designed for video work. The reflecting of the front lens could barely been seen, a nano coating?
The FE 28mm f/2.0 lens:
With A7 II’s body, lens without OSS could be smaller lighter bigger aperture. And the bigger grip of A7 II suited the lens well. A nicely builded lens with fast auto focus. Filter size is 49mm.
FE 90mm f/2.8 Macro G OSS lens
Very funny lens, with push and pull focus ring. you can see an element moves inside the lens. My main feeling was the weight of the lens, all at the front end of it. So the balance was strange.The OSS of the 90mm macro lens feels very efficiently, auto focus speed is OK but not decisively. Push the button on the lens body will stop auto focus process, it just worked fine. The lens reflection showed a big difference from the 35mm f1.4 lens.
Thanks Cabala!
All images copyrighted and on courtesy of caba1a.com!
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and how big is actually big ? big… compared to what ? big compared to 5 стотинки or compared to a truck ?
When you tested the macro’s af performance, did you use the focus limiter at all?
E mount is dead…for real…
Canon just patented a EF-EF-M adapter that will provide full high speed AF of Canon DSLR lenses on thier mirrorless cameras….looks like it might also provide additional close focus capability as well…
I have been saying this will happen for a long time now..I told you so.
And peope should by this instead of an SLR why exactly?
You can now use both interchangeably…you can still buy and use your Canon dslr.
This will also work with manual lenses providing AF and image stabilization to lenses that currently do not have it, and it will also provide additional close up/macro capability to any lens.
With the master lens focused at infinity this will provide normal AF range.
With the master lens focused at less than infinity this will provide closer and/or macro AF capability….all at high speed.
All while allowing unrestricted use of all Canon equipment you may already have.
Because you are a Canon / Canonrumors shill? Is that why ‘use of all Canon equipment you may already have’?
looks to have optics in :/
im abit unsure on its value, as we see here people clamouring for native lenses, the same would be true on canon too. and you wont gain much i size terms using eos lenses with a adapter, but you lose a bunch. so itll be like the adapters here, nice, but not really where you want to be
Yes it does have optics…Therefore I believe this is a solution for current M mount users and that we are still likely to see an additional solution for mirrorless ff.
Canon is not a one size fits all philosopphy…this is a good solution for current M mounters but I believe we have not seen everything yet.
It’s junk.
Options. Yes, when I mount a long lens on it, it’s now much smaller than my DSLR.
But I often shoot with primes. With the 35mm 2.8, or even 55 1.8 it fits in my bomber jacket pocket, or a small pouch. Can’t say the same for my D700.
It’s not pants or shirt pocketable, which defeats the purpose of mirrorless. You might as well carry a DSLR, because the difference is negligible.
You have never shot an A7. Size and weight is not the only thing being better. Dont repeat Canons silly words… Does your Canon have peaking, magnified view and a live histogram in the evf? Also, the camera itself is small and light compared to a 5d3 or d810, no matter what lens you put on it.
I don’t use a viewfinder to see those things you mention. I use it for framing, nothing else.
It doesn’t matter if it’s smaller and lighter, if it’s not pocketable. If you have to carry it in a bag or around your neck, there is no difference between 500 g and 2 kg.
There’s a very big difference between wearing 500g round your neck all day and 2kg.
You clearly need to exercise more!
You clearly need to stop trolling.
Shoot a wedding all day. Every ounce counts.
Less moving parts + the option to go nice and compact if you attach one of the primes.
Because it’s fashionable.
wait one-two more years.. at least..
I expect near the end of this year..based on Canons stated expectation to dominate the mirrorless camera field by beginning of 2017.
why dont you try to enjoy the present? new cameras will always be on the horizone that promise more satisfaction but people like you will never be really satisfied. read some books, take some photography courses, develop your creativity instad of focusing on the technical side of photography. dont be a sad panda – make a change. i wish you all the best!
Amen.
Wait – what? Photography is not about creativity. Well, it is in a way. It is about how creative you can be in verbally dismantling someone else on the internet over arguments about sensor size, company preferences, etc. That is the real creativity in photography.
And we all have been informed by the “experts” here on SAR that A-Mount died long ago. Not much left, is there? I guess I’ll just be forced to continue to use and enjoy all the great lenses and cameras I already have.
Impressive!
Politotroll!
It’s so sad to read you. All day long prophetizing the down of Sony, and the glorious rise of Canon. Why don’t you just go outside, take a break, and stop whining on this site ?
What I say has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen.
You suggest I keep my mouth shut so Sony fans will not know the truth and can live undisturbed in thier fantasy world.
This site is for people that actually want to know what is and will be happening in the camera world…those who dont want to know whats happening would be better served by not reading anything than by trying unsucessfully to shut others up.
What I have been saying is now happening…yet you continue to critisize me for prophesizing even though my predictions are correct…again.. and even though this site is specifically for predicting what will happen.
Timeframe?
Best guess
Anounced arount the end of this year, relesed early next year.
Canons latest bantor is
WTF is “bantor”?
Bantor is one of the Transformers, I believe.
For a minute there I was trying to figure out how an EF -> EF -> Leica M adapter would work 😀
E-mount is dead. A-mount is also dead. The world will soon by overrun by zombie cameras!
MyContentSites, please come back! Everything is forgiven, just do something, anything, to drown out the noise produced by this individual!
Stop trolling and stop lying.
All you have claimed is that Canon will make its mirrorless cameras fully compatible with DSLR lenses. You said nothing about adapters. Canon will need native lenses to succeed at mirrorless.
Every one of my comments says …either natively or via adapters… I have been totally consistent in saying that, and you are the lyer for trying to knitpick and find some loophole to make the truth not the truth.
ALSO there will at some point be another mirrorless solution in addition to this one.
Technology is ever changing…and when an even better solution to accomplish my predictions is found they will supersede those older solutions.
If someone discovers an even better way to achieve my predictions than the solution I originally predicted…based on older technology…that does not not make those predictions wrong.
You need to believe that whatever Barry says is wrong no matter how much evidence to the contrary you are presented with..furthermore since we are talking predictions there will never be much hard evidence until they are no longer predictions…even then you will make a blanked statement that all my predictions are wrong and lies if you can find even a single detail of my prediction that differs from what happens.
Not every single detail of predictions can ever be correct…although in this case I did predict exactly what you are claiming I did not.
You continue to deny the truth of the forest because you claim a leaf is out of place.
A reasonable person would see what has happened and say …gee barry I guess you were correct all along…you will not do that, in fact you will fight even harder to convince everyone I was wrong all along.
No matter how often I am correct and how many of my predictions happen you will still always insist what I say is wrong.
It just doesn’t get any more right than this!
So many words, yet so little was said.
You are immensely deluded.
You seriously need to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
And that’s coming from the Bazzhole. How ironic!
Yes, you are Barry. Lunatic.
Are you trying to completely destroy your reputation Mr Levin?
http://www.animalsbybarry.com/
Wow an adapter for EF lenses! They didn’t do that before… Oh wait.
LOL @ Barry, you make more and more a fool of yourself each day.
You are nothing more than the forum jester.
Here we see the advantage of the full-frame sensor: Big lenses that you can never forget in your pocket any more. 😉
And that’s the reason why I stick with my wonderful trusty old A6000. The 18-200 SEL seems not much more than about half the size of that 24-240, and gives me even a lot more reach.
a little bit more reach. On the other hand 18mm on an APS-C cam are too long for a general purpose lens.
27mm equivalent is too WIDE for a general purpose lens.
It is great that they make such a lens for E-mount FF. I love my 18-200 as very versatile all round lens with great sharpness for a super zoom and if the 24-240 has a similar IQ, it will be a big seller. 24 on the short end is of course a big advantage but I normally have my 10-18 along, too.
I would like to see this and the 18-200 side by side. They look pretty similar to me.
They’re looking good. Can’t wait to hear some test results and field reports.
Almost ready to hit the ‘Purchase Now’ button!
They look good and the macro is excellent…but I’d still love to have a macro-less 90mm f/2.8 that was more like the size of the Contax Zeiss 90mm.
The 28/2 is the only decently sized lens from the bunch. Everything else in this list is monstrosity…
The 35mm and 90mm are the same size / smaller than the Canon / Sigma counterparts when you include the size of the adapter required for the shorter flange distance.
Telephoto lenses are always going to be larger on mirrorless cameras than on DSLRs as they must necessarily sit farther from the lens mount.
Where you should be able to get size reductions is in wide angle lenses. However there are serious problems with steep ray angles and digital sensors, so I doubt we’ll get anything smaller than the 28 f/2.
I am sure you have seen the Contax G Sonnar 90/2.8.
Which is designed for a mirrorless camera and is great across the frame on the A7 series.
The Contax 90/2.8 was not a macro lens with internal focus and image stabilisation, not exactly a fair comparison. There are some 90-100mm macro lenses that are smaller than the new Sony, but they extend when focusing down to 1:1 (and tend to lack AF/IS).
If the camera with lens attached isn’t pocketable, it defeats the whole purpose of a mirrorless camera. You might as well carry a DSLR. Pocketable or non-pocketable, that’s the significant difference that consumers care about.
you know nothing mr rock…
Bunk.
Pocketable cameras are companion cameras to a larger system. A7 does not aim to be a companion, it aims to be an alternative.
DSLR users don’t necessarily want something pocketable, but something that they can carry around their neck or hold in their hand all day without getting exhausted from it. A7 + Loxia is far from pocketable, but it is an extremely pleasant size to carry with you.
The above lenses are big, but choice is great. If you want to travel compact, you attach a Loxia. If you want to match the functionality of your pro DSLR, you attach the f/1.4 lens.
Even with these huge lens, a7 cameras can’t touch the functionality of DSLR due to the superior focusing system of dslr, which defeats the whole purpose.
Those are the same arguments used when LCD screens first started replacing CRTs. It is a matter of 2-3 years and all of the functionality of a DSLR will be bested by non-mechanical solutions.
mirrorless is not about size, it’s about future and technology
No! Stop trolling!
Just buy really big pants with really big pockets…
Hammer time….
And if you can’t get it in a parking bay sideways then there’s no point getting a compact car, you might as well drive an SUV.
Exactly! That’s a great analogy!
Except that a compact is cheaper, gets better mileage, is more practical in other respects due to it’s smaller size, despite failing an arbitrary packing test…
Except that mirrorless gives you real time exposure view, the ability to use almost any lens, focus peaking…
… the ability to see your subject steak by as the focus struggles to catch it, the chance to carry a bag full of batteries as all those improvements suck them dry …
If your smart-phone is bigger than 2 credit cards you may as well carry a laptop with an aircard.
If your wrist-watch face is larger than a quarter, you may as well wear a Flavor Flav clock around your neck. 🙂
Flavor Flavor clock here I come!
The purpose of mirrorless is not to be always small, it’s to provide flexibility in terms of providing cameras and lenses of all sizes. It can be small, it can be big.
Those expecting pocketable f1.4 lenses aren’t being realistic – there’s no free lunch.
Well… Voigtländer VM 35mm F1,4 Nokton. Apart from that you are right.
Now add an AF motor.
Why?
I don’t think so. To me the difference is to not have to run around holding the camera up to my eye like a douche all the time. I want the freedom to hold the camera at arms length – put it high or low – and not lose any functionality that I would have holding it to my eye.
Yes, small is also an advantage. But not losing functionality in live view is also a big benefit to me.
So true… Not every photo is good at eye level.
Who said mirrorless HAS to be pocketable, apart from you that is?
Mirrorless doesn’t have to be pocketable. But the concept is a failed one if they can’t make lenses smaller than DSLR ones (and of a higher quality at the reduced size). If you have a bag of lenses and cameras, you end up with more volume because of the larger mirrorless lenses. It’s silliness.
They’re giving people what they want. Loxia covers small stuff. People want fast for full frame. It’s half the reason to even shoot it as IQ in most situations is barely discernible over other formats. People can tip toe around it all they want. Most full frame users these days are bokeh wwwhhorresss.
Yes, people want fast, but most people expected fast lenses to be smaller for a mirrorless camera.
People choose 1.4’s over 1.8’s even though it’s literally impossible to see the difference. Sony knows this. Fat numbers sell lenses even if it’s functionally worthless.
It’ll be interesting to see how well the 35/1.4 sells, in that case.
That’s just physically impossible with today’s technology.
I’m the opposite. Give me a slow, well-corrected, and small lens. That’s what makes me happy: a flat field, a warm draw, low contrast, lack of aberrations.
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All cameras will be mirrorless at some point. SLR’s were designed to give the photographer a view through the lens in the film era. The extra expense and weight of a pentaprism and mirror assembly (and extra complexity and mechanical parts that can go wrong) are pointless in the digital era when you can view straight off the sensor. By your rationale ALL lenses will have to be small in the future, otherwise it’s silly apparently.
Think about it.
To be honest you’ll still look like you’re overly pleased to see people unless the camera is iphone sized… For me, there’s a huge difference between carrying an a7 (with 35/2.8 and 55/1.8) and lugging around my a77 (with 24/2 and 35/1.4) when I’m travelling. It’s also much more subtle for street work.
I prefer the bigger camera sometimes when traveling. I’m no longer convinced the smaller size has much advantage. It’s the difference between telling my wife to put the camera in her purse or stick it back in my bag. Either way I have to tuck it away. Meh.
I’m definitely finding I can get shots with my a7 that would probably have ended up with getting punched if I used my a77… I’m guessing you’re not alone though so I wouldn’t be amazed if we see an a3000 alike with a ff sensor in the near future.
There are many advantages to mirrorless, but if size is your priority, the Nikon1 system is pretty compact.
Why there is so little information about 28/2? I am looking forward to buy it, and i hope i’ll buy it at the end of march in japan
Anything longer?? ;-D
I’m curious about the 24-240, I’d like a lense like that for travels, but if the price and performance are disapointing, I may as well buy a RX10. We’ll see !
or PowerShot G3 X 🙂
Or Panasonic FZ1000.
this push/pull focus ring sounds pretty much like the mechanism found on the Tamron 90mm/2.8 macro…
Given Sony’s investment in Tamron, I’m wondering if it was based on the original 90/2.8…
That’s true and would be great. That Tamron delivers really sharp pictures. but… I do expect 3-4 times the price with the sony name on it… 🙁
I’d definitely be happy with an upgraded version, but like you say it would depend on the price…
Love that 28/2. Looks like the perfect size on the A(x) bodies.
I don’t think the 24-240 is that big. Your not going to walk around with it zoomed out.
No, that could get you arrested in most countries.
That macro is a sexy lens though. Don’t deny it.
Why?
I guess your mind isn’t dirty enough, otherwise you would have got his joke. 😉
These lenses all look so oversized. The 28 is the only one that makes any sense.
Well, it doesn’t help that in every snippet under each picture the author relates the lens to the size of the camera. It shouldn’t even be mentioned as it draws even more attention to the issue.
The issue is immediately apparent. Now think about these lenses on the A7m1.
yes, the 28 is yet larger than the VM 40/1.4 🙂
Mirrorless = lightweight, compact, small… said no one ever
Said M43 users.
True. Panasonic is all about “World’s smallest”
I’m sure these are superb, but the imbalance of having a heavy lens on a light body isn’t good. When I shoot with an A-mount on my A7r, my left arm takes a beating after shooting all day from compensating for the weight – something that doesn’t happen when shooting the same lens on an A900 or A99.
Just duck tape a brick to the back of the A7. WAMMO…instant balance.
That’s odd. I’ve used my Sigma 100-300 f4 and 70-200 f2.8 lenses hand held on both my A77 and A7R with LA-EA4. I support 95% of the weight of the lens/body with the tripod mount in my left palm, adjusting zoom with the finger tips. My right hand is relaxed and used mainly for aiming and controlling the shutter. My arms gets fatigued after a day of active shooting at the race track regardless if I use the A77 or A7R. A monopod would most likely help, but I like the freedom of movement when shooting all hand held.
It’s imbecile era of cretins who shuted when small morrorless was introduced “I sold DSLR and bougth mirrorless to save weigh and size” and the same cretins buy monster lenses for their mirrorless (that gets also bigger and heavier) and shute now “mirrorless is not about size and weigh”.
???
LOL! My Canon SL1 beats this plastic fantastic camera anytime! It’s not even a contest.
It still says Canon on the front. Can’t smack ugly out of that thing.
What’s with all your comments here? You’re clearly trolling.
It’s called additional commentary. Hey, I”m sticking up for Sony here! Help a guy out.
Sony has more than 200 000 employees worldwide. One would think they could spare a few, so they wouldn’t need your help.
Sorry, most of them are being let go. They need the help.
Canon? what is it? I only know canon in d.
That’s a good one!
For a 10x FF zoom the goes as wide as 24mm, this is in no way a large lens. I think this will make sense for travel photographers.
I have said elsewhere in this post that Canon has patented a new EF-EF-M adaptor that will provide full high speed autofucus, image stabilization and extra close fpcus/macro capabilities to thier current DSLR lenses when used on thier currentl M mount mirroress cameras.
This will of course strike a giant blow to the popularity of Sony E mount.
Details on canonwatch.
As expexted trolls/critics that dont want you to know this have posted a long string of negetive comments to obscure my post so you will not notice the actual content.
So this is a repeat comment with no clutter…yet.
What trolls? The only troll here is you!
Stop being so gullible, it’s vaporware at this point. Do you really need to make a fool of yourself on a daily basis?
What’s the dynamic range / read noise like on the Canon M? It’s got an EVF right?
Those aren’t system specific factors. Canon could easily use a better sensor in an EOS M camera, and they could make one with a built-in EVF too. And IBIS, who knows? You have to distinguish between current model specifications and system potential.
What are the system specific factors, then? Flange distance and mount throat diameter?
Or are you talking about things such as native lens selection? In that case, since we’re talking hypotheticals, if Canon can make a high dynamic range sensor, then Sony can have a huge lens selection, both are about as likely…
I’m just saying that you cited drawbacks of a camera model as if they were drawbacks for the whole system. All else equal (sensor performance, features, lens selection etc.) Canon will beat Sony in the market because of brand recognition. It will happen sooner than you think.
Inability to improve dynamic range, and lack of vision when it comes to mirrorless are drawbacks of the company in general.
Canon has great potential to leverage their name, lens catalogue, but sadly all isn’t equal. Sony will be several years down the road before Canon wakes up.
Canon has the lenses and the Customers
Everything else is window dressing.
Canon does not need the”best” camera , just a good camera.
If that is Canon management’s attitude, then they are heading for extinction.
You’re wrong!
Problem is have the chronically unimaginative EOS M, and no desire to seriously enter the mirrorless market (they didn’t even release the M3 in the US), they’re content to churn out DSLRs with minor upgrades. By the time they wake up and release their first-serious-model-with-teathing-problems everyone else will by 4 or 5 years ahead.
Canon is in the business of providing the bare minimum. And, people are beginning to take notice at an increasing rate. While they still are the most profitable company, I don’t see them introducing any groundbreaking products in the foreseeable future. While Sony continues to disappoint in lens development and limiting its cameras to compressed raw files, Canon isn’t even trying.
Current M mount is Canons test of a compact ilc user camera.
This is in no way a serious attempt at the high end user market.
I expect a new line of high end ff mirrorless will apear that we have heard nothing of yet.
They could for example put in thier current 50mp or 120mp sensors that were recently shown?
I think this is an attempt to provide a universal lens compatability..to some degree..
I think that the capabilities of current M mount will be very differrent from the capabilities of the next generation of mirrorless ff cameras.
I will not even guess just what those new capabilities will be…except that they will be fully compatable with current DSLR Canon lenses either natively or via adapter.
Current M mount is a box ticking exercise so they can say “we make mirrorless cameras”, but without going on to mention it’s the most pathetically limp attempt at a mirrorless “system” that any manufacturer has come up with (in a world that includes the Pentax Q!)
They could put the current 50MP sensor in, and it still wouldn’t match Sony for dynamic range. What “current” 120MP sensor are you talking about? The APS-H one from five years ago that made it into exactly 0 products in half a decade?
Canon to introduce a class leading full frame mirrorless camera with greater resolution than their own top of the line DSLR. Right. We’ll see if that prediction does any better than your prediction that the 7D mkII would have a Foveon style stacked colour sensor!
^^^That is the internet equivalent of a slap, Barry.
Wrong. It would strike a giant blow to their own DSLR line. And to prevent that, Canon will make this adapter handicapped in some way. Just wait and see.
If people would rather buy a Canon mirrorless camera than a Canon DSLR than Canon will offer them the choice and sell them whatever they choose to buy.
Sony however will rather limit choices in order to make people buy the product Sony chooses to sell them…a fundemental differrence in corporate philosophy.
And all the Canon DSLR shooters would happily jump to mirrorless without complaining about using adapters, EVF (not even present yet), different ergonomics and so on without complaining like the A-mount users do here? Canons transition to mirrorless will be just as troublesome as the one Sony has been doing, but ten times worse, and with ten times more whining guys like you.
I’m pretty sure that Sony doesn’t just force consumers to purchase a certain type of camera by limiting their choices. Sony looks at sales and popularity and invests in development accordingly.
Most likely Sony realized that mirrorless sales were significantly higher than their traditional a mount camera sales, so they decided to develop accordingly. Sony would be throwing money away if they continued to support A-mount when interest is waning in that area.
Your idea of some guys sitting in a dark room laughing to themselves as they mess over the consumer seems awfully ridiculous.
So you don’t believe in the Illuminati then? Or the Reptilian Agenda? Don’t say we didn’t warn you!
do you just crave peoples attention or do you think youre the messiah who has to save
the world from spending money on sony stuff? whats your point? please explain!
Canon are already using that patent where the PDAF module runs off the EVF in their EOS-M cameras. You can try it out for yourself right now.
Oh I saw there is a new rumor at canon watch. You think people will want an adapter with glass in it affecting their image quality. That’s the biggest complaint about SLT.
The lenses are looking good. Can’t await the first test reports.
I think the 24-240mm is going to be a nice vacation lens.
The 35mm offers the demanded speed and still has an acceptable size weight ratio combined with the A7x body. You simply cannot ignore the laws of physics (more light -> more glass ->
bigger size and weight). Especially in combination with a full format sensor.
But now you have a choice between the compact 35mm f/2.8 or the bigger but faster 35mm f/1.4. I think that’s great.
The macro is a great addition. I hope it’s got a good performance. I have no problem with bigger macro lenses since most of my macro shooting are done with a tripod, so a possible imbalance is no problem for me. With 90mm f/2.8 the macro might also be a nice portrait lens.
All in all A7x owners have a lot more options to extend their cam system and make it much more versatile.
I think Sony is doing a great job in building the A7x-system, which a lot tend to forget is still very young. But haters gonna hate…
“Vacation lens” = hope it gets stolen while on vacation and you can claim it on your insurance.
i heard envy makes people do and say crazy things…
Well I hope my A7 with lens (at the moment with the 24-70mm f/4 maybe in the future with the 24-240mm) does not get stolen from the hotel room or in any other situation during vacation. I mostly carry the cam with me and I use my crumpler holster (cam+lens+hoster just weights 1100g) for hiking or on my tour on the Way of St. James and in the future my new Lowepro 22L AW with rear cam pocket. I watch my cam like gold!
If you didn’t get the term vacation lens I ment a one-for-all lens for travel/vacation or Immerdrauf as I’d call it in German which is my mother language.
Within three years, Sony will be #3 in mirrorless, beaten by both Canon and Samsung.
Yes, and the Earth will stop orbiting the Sun. Likely the dumbest post of the week and it’s only Tuesday.
Hi Barry.
Hey, i think, that you forget something
1. Olympus + Panasonic
2. Fuji
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Start by looking up the word Trend: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trend
When and if you can comprehend that word, review this chart and see how stupid your comment is. https://rumors.limboint.dev/wp-content/uploads-legacy/sonyalpharumors/2015/02/Bildschirmfoto-2015-02-19-um-16.41.22.png
That’s only in Japan. We care more about the US.
I don’t see any reason why the trend would be significantly different in the US.
We are talking about market share or about greatest mirrorless systems? And yes we are talking about system, not body-branding
And also, there is a different statistics 2014m2m
Sony is the favorite camera of silly little Japanese school girls and the middle aged men that buy their used panties from a vending machine. How else do you think the # 1 camera in Japan is a silver or white NEX5n with a Hello Kitty lens cap ?
おまえ頭おかしいんじゃねーの？
How many times are you going to post this lame, racist joke?
No, Japanese girls prefer Olympus actually.
It’s more stylish.
Middle aged men all have Nikon. They are called Niko-Ji.
Why? Because white people are more important??
Wake up, you’re dreaming again.
so what!? wont stop me from taking decent pictures
I hope “market researcher” is not your day job…
This site really needs a moderator. The sister site 43rumors is a much nicer place now, since the admin decided to appoint a moderator. You don’t see as many trolling comments as before, and the name-changing troll who plagued that site for years is nowhere to be seen.
We could live in the same utopia here, if the site admin appointed a moderator.
Moderators keep hard working trolls like me from making a living. Sony pays me 33 cents per troll post and comments. That means that my little Jesus family can continue to have bread and water in the house as that’s all we really need besides the love of Jesus. In fact getting in involved in the technical details of high end Nikon cameras and 11+7 bit Sony garbage isn’t really very christian when you think about it. We should be out feeding the poor like out brothers are doing in Africa. http://www.theonion.com/articles/povertystricken-africans-receive-desperately-neede,1915/
Welcome back Asston Berlin, your rhetoric and stupidity continue to entertain.
Talking to yourself?
Word to your mother.
“when we opened up the back of the truck and they saw that it was full of
Bibles… Grown men and women wept in front of their children. That’s
how moved they were by the Holy Spirit. That’s how I know it’s all been
worth it.”
Sony, circa 2011: smaller is better! Don’t break your back carrying an extra half a pound! Go unnoticed amidst crowds! Small lenses are best, and you pay for what you get!
Sony, circa 2015: check out the size of these lenses! Bigger is better! It’s only half a pound! Look like a pro with these big honking lenses! People will notice you! Here, add a grip too!
This is one of those lenses on a big plastic tube that extends out. I’ve seen ones like this at best buy, the end wiggles around and there’s all sorts of play in the lens. How week do you think that lens will do in making quality images? Not very likely. But good enough for the mushy color and resolution of most Sony mirrorless users.
http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex
eniff said…
sony lenses suck.
where does your anger come from? bad childhood? bad job? no money to buy good camera gear? midlife crisis?
look how big that lens iss.. yeah there goes your “small cameras” are better nonsense.
looks like crap and like all (well 80%) of sony lenses the image quality is sub par…
wanna bet?
hoop://www.photozone.de/sony_nex
bad image quality… 2 star ratings…
“80%” – Care to quantify that?
lol, photozone is well know to hate Sony
35mm 1.4 Zeiss has a de-clicked aperture ring switch? Must’ve went over my head before – can anyone confirm?
Yes, it has a switch.
The big lenses are an advert for M43 system or APSC Sony
Eh…
35/1.4 –> I don’t see any 17/0.7 for M43 to match it
28/2 –> closest match is CV 17/0.95 which is much larger and heavier
90/2.8 macro –> I don’t see any 45/1.4 macro for M43. The big and heavy 42.5/1.2 comes close but is no macro
24-240/3.5-6.3 –> equivalent to M43 12-120/1.7-3.1. Wake me up when that happens.
I’m no fan of big lenses either, but the Loxias (which are f/1 equivalent on M43) are much smaller and more convenient than the matching f/0.95 voigtlanders for M43.
Huh?
What “equivalence” are you’re talking about? “Aperture” is a property of the amount of light… 35/1.4 on ff and 35/1.4 on m43 let it same amount of light.
There’s plenty of modern fast, and faster glass for the apsc and m43. If you’re talking about equivalence of DOF and FL then it’s a different story altogether.
And it took less than 10 minutes for a “light gathering idiot” to appear. Please educate yourself.
Aperture is a property of the opening of the diaphragm with relation to the focal length. The property of amount of light you speak of is given in transmission (T-stop), not aperture (f-stop).
A full frame 35mm/1.4 lens has a diaphragm of 25mm, a M43 with the same angle of view and the same diaphragm needs to be 17.5mm/0.7 in order to yield the same diaphragm of 25mm.
A 35mm lens on M43 has nothing to do as it has to produce a completely different angle of view. You’d be comparing a wide angle design to a short tele design. A 17/1.4 lens on M43 would yield a physical diaphragm of 12mm, which lets in much less light.
Yes if transmission characteristics are similar an f/1.4 lens on full frame and an f/1.4 lens on M43 will let in the same amount of light… PER UNIT OF SENSOR AREA. But as the full frame lens is four times larger… you can figure out what happens.
“light gathering idiot”… really? You’re friends with Tony Northrop, I suspect?
Go educate yourself while you’re at it before you spew nonsense about “equivalence” and try lay on a thick layer of garbage about a definitive topic that’s been covered ad nauseam.
… while you’re at, go f@ck yourself for being a douche.
And the troll has been uncovered…
…oh, the irony
guess hes talking about the DOF, light gathering is compensated by the much better high ISO performance of FF cameras, so one way or another hes right
Same f-ratio = same light per unit area. A full frame sensor is four times the area of M43 hence you get 4x the light, or you need to have a lens that is 2 stops faster to get the same amount of light. It’s that simple.
These lenses are larger than the equivalent field-of-view lenses on M43, if you want the extra light you can use a full frame system with [some] larger lenses, if you don’t want the extra light then you can use M43. Consumer choice is a wonderful thing 🙂
THIS I will agree with. Claiming “equivalence” comparisons, as the other Mike above did, however, is pointless in practice. When one has a 1.4 glass designed to cover FF and one has a 1.4 glass designed for m43… for all intent and purposes they both have 1.4 glass. Simple as that. Now, if we want to talk about FL, relative DOF, etc. we can, but that’s not what the comment insinuated, at least that’s not how I took it.
Anyway, in retrospect, that was rush judgement and probably poor choice of words on my initial response so I’ll eat those and bow out, not my norm to be uncivil.
why would anyone need a large aperture macro? the dof is too thin any way
why would anyone need a camera? we have eyes and a memory any way.
The comments section is complete waste….please appoint moderator. Like 100 posts from same person about the lenses not being as small as he dreamt….I actually want them bigger!
Another sick person fantasizing about his future Canon camera like anyone in a Sony site cares about it.
You kill the trolls page views and ad dollars go to zero. Trolls make these sites, not guys like you.
What makes these sites is the frothing at the mouth about trolls. For me, at least.
If the lenses still that big, why don’t you get a dslr instead. As Leica can make those tiny lenses but in high quality, so why Sony can’t.
Where is the Leica 24-240? I know of Canon 28-300 and it is substantially bigger and is superb optically . I really want this lens but am afraid that due to downsizing it it will not match the Canon lens in IQ. So what good is a poor quality lens at all small or big?
There also is not a good Leica 90 macro. The 90mm Leica lenses look like caricatures. Have you seen one?
Leica have small 50mm and wider lenses. They lack Af motor, they lack aperture motor and electronics, their optical design relies on film properties, so wider lenses really underperform even on Leica own digital bodies. What is there to admire? The usable M mount lenses are in the 35 to 50mm range. We have good selection of the Sony lenses and also Zeiss Loxia. Both are quite small and excellent optically. I own the Sony variants and am super happy with them (except sensor flare issue)
Wow, ignorance is bliss I guess. I suggest you go do some research.
The Leica 90mm Macro is one of the best, sharpest lenses they have, it’s one of the sharpest ever lenses of any brand. The 90 Apo-Summicron is close to peerless, it blows almost anything out of the water, it was THE reference lens until Zeiss made the gargantuan Otus about a decade later. Same for the 75mm Summicron f2, Summilux f1.4, and Summarits, all incredible lenses that will blow this out of the water. The Summilux is ridiculously sharp and still exceptionally relatively small. The 135mm APO-Telyt, again is one of their best lenses – I would imagine it would even be sharper that this monster when you crop it down to 200mm
On top of that you can use the Macro adapter on almost any lens and get sensational results.
This lens is a silly for these bodies. All these enormous lenses for such a small camera is ridiculous. I have a great interest in the Sony bodies, I will no doubt buy the a7r II or a9, but these lenses are questionable, no way will I get them.
He didn’t say that those lenses are underperforming in themselves, he said that they are underperforming on Leica’s digital bodies. On a film body, they surely are as great as everyone says they are.
You can try to get around the problem somewhat by using a special microlens array on the sensor, like Leica does, but it’s not a perfect solution.
You just can’t make a wideangle lens designed for digital as compact as one designed for film, and at the same time achieve the same optical performance.
To say they are under performing on Leica Digital bodies is laughable. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard and clearly spoken from someone who has never tried or even researched the system. The Elmars, Summicrons and the Summilux’s perform exceptionally, incredibly, mind blowingly well on Leica Digital bodies. They destroy anything I have ever used before. The 21mm Super Elmar is so ridiculously sharp, with perfect clarity, colour, micro contrast and global contrast across the entire frame, right into the very corners on the M8, M9 or M Typ 240. It is almost faultess, it’s a mind-blowing lens and this is the modern design to which all are going in the direction of. There is not one average lens, there is not one lens less than very good to exceptional in the entire range when used on film or digital.
No, more Granada lenses. Please…
To the trolls: get a girlfriend and/or a job, whichever it is you don’t have.
let’s fight trollism
The Sony Zeiss feels like a Sigma? A Sigma is pure plastic.
Next troll that posts in here is going to have to answer to me personally.
What’s the question?
not cool, larger than i thought