The last 2-3 years Sony earned the image as the real innovator on the digital camera market. But now Canon is fighting back with the launch of the first 50MP FF camera and another 4K 5D coming by end 2015. Question to you:
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Note to admin : “Threat”, and not “thread”
By the way, the answer is “no” ;o)
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So the sensor was made by canon after all ?
That has nothing to do with who made the sensor. The point is Canon launches such a 50MP as first.
P.S.: Juts like Nikon did in the past by launching the first 36MP camera (and the sensor was a Sony).
Where do you see that written?
Canon Watch
I was referring to THIS post admin made.
I couldn’t care less about what’s written in Canon watch.
SAR is not the only rumor site…if you only read SAR you subject yourself to a very E mount centered Sony can do no wrong point of view.
This is an excellent site but if you seek truth you must still look in as many places as you can..and decide for yourself what to believe.
What the hell has this become? Religion?
I read a lot around, don’t worry about me “seeking the truth”….
Sorry, but isn’t this still a rumor?
5ds is 100% confirmed by multiple sources.
Give me sony a7s with 24mp and i am all Sony’s..
agreed, who needs 50mpx ? pixel peepers who will never print their work and can not afford the lenses that can resolve that much mpx.
Sony is the indisputed leader of innovation but Canon is still in the best position to be a game changer if they so choose to be. Canon has an undeniable brand following and a reputation in both the photo and video communities. If they were to go all in with both their borrowed and proprietary technology, they could easily change the game. Sony’s new stuff is promising but Canon could offer everything the purported A9 would plus dual-pixel AF tech. The only question is will they take the plunge to be the market leader at the cost of cannibalizing their pro equipment.
I’m confused. The nature of the A7S is essentially defined by large photosites, an essentially 1:1 mapping for 4K video. The low pixel count allows for a silent shutter and full frame video readout at 30FPS. Also the sensor can be optimised for low light performance (but not for base ISO where it’s bested by other cameras).
A 24MP A7S would not really be an A7S at all. Doubling the data rate (required to match the full video frame readout) is a huge ask. The A7S already has trouble with rolling shutter artifacts. A 24MP sensor doing full video frame readout would be worse
In any event, there’s already a 24MP A7. Maybe some features like 4K video will arrive in later versions, but I don’t think there’s any way such a camera will be able to match the low light capabilities of the A7S. The latter is a specialist camera with a sensor tuned specifically for video at 4K and low light. Cameras tuned to a particular function will always outperform more general cameras in the relevant functions.
A 50MP sensor will not do anything lol. The reason wich photographers are switching to Nikon D810 is because of the high dynamic range output from the Sony sensor inside of it.
The Sony A9 will break the internet. It will break everything you know about photography.
Wait until you see the ridiculous amount of dynamic range you’ll get from its sensor.
What if the new 50MP sensor is made by Sony? Nobody switch to Nikon if that’s the case and say good bye Nikon.
You are a sad boy…
If photographers are just switching to other cameras/brands for dynamic range then why don’t more people buy the a7s over the D810/D800? The a7s has more dynamic range then the 36MP FF Sony sensor.
Do we have anything solid on a A7Rii ? I’m starting to feel like this is a canon site 🙁
■ I dont care
Canon is the BIG Dog. Sony makes great Broadcast/Digital Cinema cameras and Superior Sensors. But neither Broadcast or Sensor Design is done by the Consumer Camera division.
The half-assed compressed raw of the consumer cameras degrades the performance of the Sony sensors. The pros at Broadcast division didn’t cripple the F55.
Within the next five years there will be big changes, my guess is that either Nikon or Sony will be the first to go. Canon will be the last traditional camera company standing. Sony’s problem is that they think of cameras as just another consumer electronics product.
BTW Sony Broadcast and the Sensor division will do just fine.
Of course it will be a threat. When Sony launches 50MP sensor the general response is “pathetic, laughable attempt to gain some attention with yet another weird, insignificant idea”. When Canon does, the response is “a professional tool, the serious photographers have been waiting for so long”. The real camera specification, features and its usability won’t change the fact that this is the brand perception. Sony would have to buy the hearts of professionals by delivering several generations of consistently flawless products (which they are not, even the A900 had issues with noise performance worse than it peers), at very competitive prices (which they are not, as Sony often tries to sell their products more expensive, compare initial prices of 5Dm3 and A99, not to mention D600). Get real. The question should be: “Will Sony ever be a thread to Canon, and how much time will it take”.
i thought it was the other way around?
is Sony a threat to Canon?
yea,… since 2006. lol
Sony has been struggle with the big dog for a long time, this time will be no different…. look at all those Pro who picked up Sony system and some who left their canikon, do they really care for a camera with larger then 24mp? not really, they all know the issue with huge MP, slower machine (look at D800), struggling PC or even MAC, storage issue SD and Harddisks, not to mention technical stuff like, how lens couldnt even bring out the best for any sensor larger then 20mp. etc etc etc etc.
if sony comes out with a A99II with A7s 12mp sensor, A77 AF module. the rest is same with old A99.
its 12mp vs 50mp, who gonna sell better? we all will know the mass market is aiming at which.
admin, i suggest you to run a poll,
would you prefer to buy
A) A99R with 50mp sensor
or
B) A99S with 12mp (a7s) sensor.
(or for the E mount users
A) A9R with 50mp
or
A) A9S.. oh wait, we already have the A7s…. maybe A9s 12mp with A6000 AF system
Ed, if Sony releases an A99S and A99R, I would gladly buy both!
Neither…what a none sense survey. Why have you turned SAR into a worthless click air site full of ads and shopping deals?
It always was just a clickbait for sponsored and affiliates links with an occasional rumor.
Never this bad though. I used to visit frequently, now just once in a while out of habit. This site is fast becoming a worthless resource. Every time I do visit, I’m encountered with endless links to other more productive websites, images of deals and click air none stories linking to b&h.
I know I should rant and I can choose no to come here but I think after this that is going to be the end result.
And paid shills.
I guess the actual threat for Sony, Canon etc. is going to be Apple. Not necessarily in terms of IQ, but in terms of sales. I guess we’ll see more and more cooperation of Japanese companies in the future.
lol sure when we know Apple camera Sensor is Sony one since iPhone 4( not sure before), Sony is surely threatened by Apple sales;)… Maybe when Apple will build from ex nihilo a real camera then Sony and others will be worried;)
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/14/11/17/apple-isight-supplier-sony-unveils-new-21mp-cmos-sensor-with-4k-video-phase-detection-af
Absolutely true …
Very true. Apple and Google are the main threats. Ironically – Sony Semiconductor is probably the biggest threat to Sony Cameras. As they continue to churn out more innovative smarthphone sensors.
60% voted NO… Thanks from Sony to all users for their faith and support ;)… But now we expect Sony to not be so stingy and leak some “counter” camera specs before CP+ now they saw Canon ones. Or maybe they wanna wait till Photokina 2015 😉 now we comforted them no Sony users will switch before we saw their new camera
Yes Sony will need to give even more features for potential buyers. 🙂
Canon has the name and the experience giving them the ability to know how to “have the meat”. Unfortunately Sony lack such thing IMO, and their A7 success was a pure luck (that’s why they stated they did not expect). Innovation is great, but sony does not know how to bring all goods in 1 place. Not forgettig the big price difference between sony goods and their rivals.
Sony have to make a real push with new a-mount camera body’s and lenses to fight canon and nikon. They have the name now, so if they make a real dslr competitor they will have the opportunity to grap a bigger piece of the dslr market.
Of course not… Sony surrendered the DSLR market to Canon / Nikon, and they have no stake in mirrorless, so they don’t have much to compete for ATM.
Canon has never been a threat for Sony because they cover two different markets.
Sony makes toys and Canon makes cameras.
True , Canon cameras are for real photographers who doesn’t need built-in WIFI-NFC connections because they don’t use smart phones and tablets anyway.
EVFs will be harmful for their eyes because they are obviously 50-60 years old and they barely can see without glasses.
Focus peaking ? naah , they don’t even think of using manual focus they barely can see without glasses (remember ?)
articulated screens are for amateurs , old men usually love to lay down from time to time to take a good rest after walking for whole 5 minutes.
AF points ? damn matures , real photographers use the old school technique , center point – focus recompose only.
what else ?
on my 60th birthday I will buy a Canon , now let me enjoy playing with my toy
These are all great points. I would agree with you if the AF lenses were more fun to focus manually. In my case a99 made me go crazy for 2 reasons: the new hot shoe – my flashes had to be adapted and fell off all the time, HVL-60 overheated at moderate use in the middle of important action, EVF would go dark when shooting against a light (in order to get a good mix of ambient and flash you would underexpose the ambient by 1-2 stops and can’t see people’s expressions). Poor battery life
for the manual focus with AF lenses I’m not sure why it’s not fun.. But I guess that focus magnifier is set to ON in the setting , I’m just guessing.
You have a distance indicator also that is useful sometimes.
Totally agree with you about flashes , although i don’t use them much but the F60M is going to overheat very often , I hate it and hope Sony would release some real flashes.
The strange thing about your comment is the EVF part, shooting into the light is one of EVF’s win points against OVFs !
The problem you are facing is because of wrong metering mode.
You have 2 solutions :
1- change AEL mode to “multi segment” , the camera will meter for everything in the frame.
2- change AEL button to [AEL toggle] and AEL mode to spot , then keep the circle in the center on your subject to meter for it.
After that click that AEL button once.
This way the camera will save the metering for your subject only and will not care about the background.
I hope that this will help
I shoot in manual 95% of the time. When I use flash I set my ambient exposure in camera to the desired setting and barely change it. Usually it is underexposed -1EV to -2 EV. Having a mounted flash on or setting EVF to view (or free) mode helps make the EVF get bright but it gets dim in certain instances – I wish there was a way to lock it at certain brightness. Non of this is a problem with bright Optical ViewFinders on Full frame. It’s great to have both. I could live with a99 if it were faster to respond, operated as quick as a850, had a quick precise AF and didn’t have the Flash issues described above. These are MAJOR concerns for me. I understand my needs are very specific
I agree, but why Canon has missed the connection to MILC about 10 years ago????
If Canon had MILC with FF, then of course I would go with Canon…..
Mirrorless are still way behind DSLRs, at least for those who shoot moving things (brick walls don’t move).
The way I see it, the day we have proper EVFs and proper quick processors to take up the pentaprism / mirror job, and real autofocus, Canon will make one. So far, this has not been the case.
On the other hand, Canon (and Sony, see tha A6000) should stop selling any cameras without touch screen, touch focus and wifi. This is 2015, I heard. The lack of enthusiasm there makes me think that these corporations are too greedy to be quite there.
Yawn…Did you have nobody to play with on Canon rumours…
It’s pathetic how SonyAlphaRumors fails to understand it’s own business.
If the Canon 50.6 MP sensor turns out to be a Sony produced component with Canon AF technology it’s a cooperative effort between Canon and Sony, not a reason for SAR to seek sensationalism and spread additional misinformation.
Sony is the worlds largest and leading producer of digital image sensors.
Canon is the worlds largest producer of cameras.
Sony deserves a more professional rumor site.
SAR knows its business very well. The more provocative posts, the more viewer, thus money it gets. Mirrorless rumors is a lot better, they also cover Sony if it’s something worth mentioning. SAR is nothing more than a grab-popcorn-and-read-comments site now.
No, SAR does not know its business. Viewers and trolls do not produce revenue and serious buyers do not buy off a trashy site.
Every add impression generates money, so yes having this site trolled by trolls generating hundreds of comments on crap subjects generated revenue. Will this kill SAR? Who knows? I know the site is horrible and I’m gone, deleted my account and will read other websites. I installed a comment blocker because this rubbish.. it is a total waste of time.
Never heard of pageview and CPM?
Steal the show? I’m not sure if there’s any show stealing… Sony has the sensor tech, Canon has lenses. While I don’t think this will hurt Sony, it will keep more people from jumping ship to Sony though. Now that Canon has (most likely) a great sensor with a gigantic glass arsenal, not to mention 3rd party lenses, the temptation to switch to Nikon or Sony is really low for enthusiasts/professionals. I’m also betting that the AF on the 5Ds will probably be better than Sony a9 in the case of tracking. Sony’s going to really have to wow people w/ the a9 and a99 II, and more glass this coming CP+.
When you share the link it says becoming a thread instead of threat. Jus putting it out there.
The only threat to Sony (presently) is Sony for dribbling in the features we want over 3 and 4 generations in order to maximize sales and profits. Now it’s time to build one that has it all: Fullframe-Mirrorless: high MP sensor with 15 bit DR and 14 bit RAW lossy, at or near A7S ISO performance, 5 Axis IS, silent shutter, blazing hyper acurate AF & tracking, 4k EVF, weather sealed, 4k internal video, 2 slots, real battery life and include an external charger in the frigging box. If you don’t build this camera Sony, sooner or later Nikon and/or Canon will and they will cut you down at the knees with it. Consider your self forewarned.
High DR / ISO and high resolution? That’s the 645Z. Add the rest and it will cost 20 000$ or more.
So your theory is Sony has had the ability to produce a camera with performance far superior to anything currently available for some time and is just sitting on it? Really????? How does that conversation inside the marketing department go? “Yes, we and we alone have designed a sensor and camera so fantastic it will blow away the competition and make Sony the most popular system in the world. But screw all that profit and market share, let’s hold back and let Canon/Nikon catchup in the hope we can persuade a few of our current users to upgrade a little more often!!!”
Some of the things on your wish list are marketing/design decisions. But the reason Sony does not offer a high MP sensor with both the highest DR and low ISO performance of any sensor is they cannot make one. If they could make one they would sell it. Same thing for “silent shutter and blazing hyper acurate AF & tracking”. Clocking all the data off a 50MP sensor fast enough to not need a mechanical shutter is not currently possible.
There is no secret conspiracy to deny you the camera of your dreams. The technology is not there yet.
Yes, exactly. I have seen what Sony can do in Pro Video Department – Look a their FS700 camera – the damned thing could record video at iso 16000 and track faces and follow people in low light no problem. I work with a videographer who also picked Sony as his tool. Now the 4K video camera. a900 was a spectacular DSLR. Sony CAN make a pro camera, but they intentionally choose to make entry level to advanced cameras to milk the poor bastards who want or need the new feature
With Sony’s growing success and influence in the photographic business there is an opportunity for SAR to redirect itself to take advantage of this.
Since making money off referral sales of cameras appears to be SARs main focus, why not promote ALL cameras with Sony content. Promote Canon, Nikon and Sony cameras based on Sony image sensors and EVFs.
Inform about and promote Sony content in all camera brands in a factual and objective way and make a little referral money on sales of all Sony content.
But please stop misrepresenting the intent and the place of Sony in the photographic world.
Canon as a better customer base compared to Sony. Sony trys to convince Canon shooter to migrate to A7-System (thanks to the “incredible Fong”). In the meantime Sony looses its A-Mount base by pushing E-Mount and negleting A-Mount.
Canon has only to deliver one single offer (which this could be the start of a new successful Refresh cicle) and everybody will go back to Canon. a lot have kept their glasses.
The pitty is Sony will be left with a bunch of occasional shooters and videographer interested only in 8K and ISo 500’000.
Yes old photographers are holding onto their Canon glass. But for young shooters Sony is a very attractive alternative and that is always going to be a vibrant growing market. Sony are also doing a great job growing their user base. I certainly had zero regrets changing over.
With old shooter you mean somebody with a serious lense/Gear lineup. I under stand if young shooters are attracted by the new and trendy (even more when the gear list is short). The question is will this kind of base stick to Sony in hard times, when Canon offers the newest gadget?
Lenses are considered by pros to be by far the most important element in photogeaphy.
Sony will never match Canon glass selection/quality.
If Canon can make thier future pro-mirrorless system compatable with Canon glass, Sony mirrorless dominence will abruptly and suddenly end.
Despite the fact that there are some difficulties to overcome..full lens compatability with Canikon is absolutely essential for the long term future of E mount.
Canon has dual pixel, and with some further development this may allow use of thier current lenses on a mirrorless system.
When this happens E mount dominence is history.
odd when I’m walking around canada here (not now but in the summer months) I see more young people carrying canon then i ever do carrying Sony. Not to mention there’s zip in the realm of used market on Sony gear unless it’s those poor folks trying to dump they A7’s…
First they defend their 18mpx cameras and now theyre calling a camera that is exactly a 5d3 with a different sensor a masterpiece. And suddenly they love the idea of choice and find it sooo much better than Sony/Nikon. Pathetic.
Angry huh?
“Is Canon becoming a serious threat to Sony?”
For starters, the whole question is a bit of a non-sequitur and the two answer options are, well, extremely nerdy and B/W. Anyway, my answer to the question would be:
“No. The biggest threat to Sony is Sony themselves, as usual.”
But if I had to choose between those two voting options only, I’d choose “yes, Canon will get huge press.”
Duh!
Of course Canon will get huge press, they always do. Even when they don’t deserve it. Canikon is the only thing the mainstream media and blogosphere is interested in, and all the rest are underdogs. That’s not going to change for yet another decade or so at least.
Nevertheless, that doesn’t explain everything. Sony have themselves to blame for a major part of the situation. Sony seem to be pretty good at shooting themselves in the foot lately. The confusing A/E-mount roulette has been just one of several examples indicating an apparent lack of long term focus in their enthusiast/prosumer camera business. They could have done so much better. They still could, there’s still some time left. But that takes some wit and cajones.
Fortunately for Sony they’re doing a better job at the pro video market. But that’s a relatively small niche market, so they’d better start doing more than just offering new megapixel porn for the gadget geeks.
As for whose sensor will be in each new model, well, ho hum. The Japanese camera makers borrowing each others’ tech is nothing new. The companies get along fairly well, and it’s the attention-hungry blogosphere and online press who are making up the drama.
I must stop reading this site.
What do you guys think?
A) Yes!
B) Yes, Please!
C) YES!!!
D) good luck ! best wishes
how to spot a canikon fan :
first they said
“only canikon made real cameras, all others cameras manufacters only made toys, im a professional, i need a professional camera, not a toy”
after tried a sony camera they said
“well, its a very good piece of technology, but a real photographer dont need the best camera, i can shot in film better photos than amateurs with this new cameras”
canikon fans, You can’t have your cake and eat it!
either a real/profesional could work their magic with any camera or you need the best camera to make the magic, in this case a sony camera
You mistake being a FAN with being objective.
I for example am not a Canon , Nikon or Sony fan…although I am often acused of being all of them.
Fact is Canon dominates the the proffesional market…thier lens selection is second to none…and Song is just not in thier league.
Sony only dominates the mirrorless marked because Canon and Nikon have not made a serios attempt to compete..YET.
Sony lacks a consistent direction which makes then far too unreliable for professionals who, depend on thier cameras.
I currently use Sony equipment and would like to continue to do so…but I cannot get the lens I need or anything comparable to work with sony…150-600 Sigma sport…therefore must buy either a new Canon or Nikon camera .
I have often suggested Sony come up with a solution to make thier cameras fully AF compatable…but if you follow the comments I alm deludged with reasons that should not happen.
The last 2 posts concernig new Canon products recieved over 500 comment each on SAR while the same postings on all the other sites recieved just a handfull ofa omments.
This should be a huge sighn to sony that there is a huge dissatisfaction with Sony.
Sony has innovative technology..but does just about everything else wrong.
Totally agree with you in the lens selection of Canon and Nikon , personally I wanted to buy a Canon just because of the super telephoto lens selection (800mm F5.6 , 600mm F4 , 500mm F4 , 400mm F2.8 and F4 , 100-400 )
while Sony have only 3 main lenses for wildlife and sports (500mm F4 , 300mm F2.8 and 70-400mm G)
I wish I can see a 800mm F5.6 and a 400mm F2.8 from Sony.
in the meanwhile I’m using the Old Minoltas 600mm F4 and 300mm F2.8.
but I don’t agree with what you said about posts concerning Canon products here, number of comments are only because of Canon-Sony fans fighting not because of any dissatisfaction with Sony.
I bet if Andrea posts an image of Canon logo without any word in the description , the comments will reach 400 in few hours.
it’s not even the professional lenses. canon has basically a lens range / lineup to suit all but a few scenarios. Three complete zoom lens lineups EF-S STM, F4.0L and F2.8L.
then you have flashes that well, just work across all their cameras..
You are correct about Canon having a complete system but the most important and indespensible part of that system is the lenses so that is why I have singled out lense as the most important issue.
A complete system is great. It is wonderful that it exists.
Meanwhile, Canon has no answer for my need for a highly portable camera that works perfectly with my M mount lenses, offers AF options when needed and has an EVF.
Clearly Sony has something that is:
-Different
-Desirable
-High quality
So let us stop with the ‘complete system’ rhetoric… given that Sony offers something Canon clearly doesn’t have.
You don’t have to want it, but pretending this isn’t true is madness.
Sony is slick, but only marginally smaller once you mounted a lens. Not enough to offset ist many shortcomings in my book.
It gets smaller with M lenses, but we know it makes a dog’s dinner of poor them.
I suspect there are more people in the world that would rather have lens options versus who have Lecia M lenses. Not to mention there’s a wide slew of M lenses that don’t work well on the A7 anyways.
how do you say “niche”?
I agree Barry. I used Sony mainly because of Sony points I can obtain but really enjoyed shooting sports and other activities from a longer distance. I wanted at least a 300mm with HSM or SSM. But I did not want to break the bank as this was not my main source of income. I just find it enjoyable. Sigma makes such a lens, the 120-300/2.8, but only for nikon and canon, not Sony. So I decided on canon and got the 1Dx. Probably would have loved the 4D as well. Slap a 1.4x on it and you have a 420/4. I do love the colors out of the canon and the flash system is light years ahead of Sony. Plus Sony has nothing comparable to the 1Dx and probably never will. I still have the 99 and various G lenses but may unload for the new E-mount A9 or A7rII. I just think Sony is a bit arrogant in that it came up with the E- mount and they just took over the A-mount. They seem to me to have no love for the A-mount and will never put out a near flawless A-mount. For example, the 99 was a good camera but there was serious but unnecessary shortcomings.. The processing power is paltry. I would say reaction time and processing of images is exceptionally slow. Focusing with an SLT should be the best given you trade some light for it. It is not. My 1Dx, tracks and focuses faster and more accurately than my 99. Look at all the choices of the e-mounts and compare to the a-mounts. Third parties seem to release canon practically a year ahead of Sony and that is if they make it all for sony.
SLT is obsolete.
Dual Pixel has all the speed osf SLT without shootng through a piece of plastic..and Sony has desighned a mirrorless system that is not fully compatable with any other AF.
They have gone in so many different directions that they now find themselves painted into a corner with products that have no long term future, and they are desperately manufacturing patches on top of patches to keep them functional.
Not really, Sony see the future OK. Its a future where your video camera also shoots quality stills.
Tak Sony ma produkty innowacyjne , ale trzeba zadać sobie pytanie czy sa one lepsze od konkurencji .??? A77 II Jeżeli mówimy o jakość zdjeć na wyższym ISO , Sony przegrywa i to bardzo z Nikonem 7100 i Pentaxem K3 , a jest prównywalne ale mimo wszystko chyba troszkę gorsze od 7D Mark II . A zarówno Nikon 7100 i K3 są na rynku dwa lata . Na pełnej klatce A7II ustępuje pola na wyższym iso Canonowi 6d i Nikonowi D610 ( już są co najmniej rok na rynku ) fakt to nie jest duża różnica , ale mimo wszystko ze wskazaniem na canona i nikona . Obiektywy – system jest na rynku dwa lata i tak naprawdę ma 10 obietywów z których są tak naprwdę 6-7 jest dostepnych od ręki . Tak wiem w tym systemi można podłączyćkażdy obiektyw , ale to nie jest rozwiazanie . Moim zdanie jeżeli sony chce być poważnym graczem na rynku foto musi zacząć produkować aparaty które będą naprawdę konkurencyjne wielu apektach a przedewszystki w jakości obrazu , oraz obiektywy które będą konkurencyjne i tańsze . Sigma i Tamron pokazały że można dać klientowi produkt bardzo dobry a czasmi dużo lepszy od konkurencji za rozsądną cene .
Well indeed.
the most crystal clear comment i had ever read
So Sony has innovative products, but you have to ask yourself whether they are better than the competition.??? A77 (II) if we are talking about the quality of the photos at a higher ISO, Sony loses and it’s very with Nikon 7100 and Pentaxes K3, and is prównywalne but still probably a little worse than the 7 d Mark II. And both Nikon 7100 and K3 are on the market for two years. On full frame A7II gives way to fields on higher iso Canonowi 6 d and Nikonowi D610 (already are at least one year on the market), the fact it’s not a big difference, but still with an indication on the Canon and Nikon. Lenses-the system is on the market for two years and really has 10 obietywów which are so help 6-7 is available in stock. Yes I know this can be over podłączyćkażdy lens, but it is not a solution. In my opinion if sony wants to be a serious player in the market for photo must begin to produce cameras that will be truly competitive, many apektach and games, above in image quality, and lenses that will be competitive and cheaper. Sigma and Tamron have shown that you can give the customer a very good product and sometimes much better than the competition at an affordable price
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Let me rephrase the title: is Sony finally becoming a threat for Canon? Answer: no.
definitely more apt.
Totally
sony,nikon,canon,fuji,panasonic, ect … at least we have better choices ..^^ than 10 years ago….
Personally i switched to Sony from Canon, and i don’t regret it a second. I don’t think i will ever go back to canon. But i understand those who have many lenses, the switch may be hard. TBH i never liked canon lenses very much, and when i had my 5d i used zeiss lens most. now I enjoy small size / weight of mirorless. I don’t understand the bashing saying that sony is a toy :/, or do you lie to yourself to have good reason to keep old stuff lol
The comparable Sony A-Mounts are not toys. They have six screw extra thick lens mounts with robust flange over three times thicker than little toy Elpha four screw thin flange lens mount, sometimes plastic.
Use the little lightweight native E-Mount lenses on an Elpha and it’s fine. But consistent use of larger lenses with adapters reveals wobbles and body flex.
E-Mount was never designed for large lenses. It never will be. The mount is not robust enough for consistent pro abuse. A-Mount and Canon EF were released with large lenses from the beginning. They were pro from the beginning, designed that way from the beginning. E-Mount is just trying to pretend play catchup riding an unexpected success. But it will never be capable in the same way larger mounts are.
Can Amount camera adapt Canon or Nikon lenses on it and keeping electric contacts…Then a more robust E-mount camera is the one solution;) to satisfy u and allow unlimited lenses uses…. Btw A or E mount I m not narrow minded and accept anything lightweight but not low performance 😉
I personally don’t know of any photographer that needs “unlimited lenses”, but I get your point.
Can have Leitax mount conversions to Nikon lenses, including Voigtlander and ZF, Leica R, Contax. None with smart connections, though EVF kind of negates the need for that.
Don’t count out Samyang.
But no, nothing like the interchangeablity of E-Mount or Canon EF, or other Mirrorless setups.
There are many reasons to call E mount a toy system. Glad it works for you though.
In a rushing headlong world, a toy camera system is more enjoyable than a bling bling smartphone system like Apple one, which is full of high tech but underused by fanboys ( how many ppl owning an iPhone have and know to work on apple computers 😉
Is Apple becoming a serious threat to smart phone makers?
made me laugh)))
Canon has dual pixel…many people believe this is the best AF system and fastest..some believe sony is.
This system allows the SLR mirror to initially trackck and focus and then allows the mirror to lock up during multiple exposures and video while the dual pixel continuees to track and provide live view..all the advantages of SLT and Mirrorless, and no piece of plastic to have to shoot through…slt.
These cameras are now so compact that the size/wieght are comparable to E mount.
Canon currently thinks this system is better than mirrorless..however the dual pixels have the potential to be developed into a mirrorless system that will work without stepper motors..therefre be fully autofocus compatable with current Canon lenses.
If this happens mirrorless users will choose the mirrorless system with the worlds best lens selection/quality..Canon.
Just as with slr/slt …just having slightly more advanced sensor tech will not make the difference. …Canon will dominate for thier lenses.
The ONLY way Sony can possibly hope to maintain a strong market share when this happens is to overcome whatever difficulties..legal dificulties or technological difficulties there are and make E mount fully compatable with Canikon glass.
Then let”s ask Metabones to upgrade their smart and speed booster adapters to get faster AF on Canon F lenses (they already say it s slow autofocus).
Does anyone have experience with Metabones Canon F lens speedboster for E mount?
My metabones IV is spectacular in connection and reliability. The Canon lens mounts securely and no play. Problem is putting it onto the wobbly little E-Mount, which just can’t handle the stress of larger lenses.
I can’t comment on AF performance with Metabones IV. All my Canon EF lenses are manual focus only. I assume it would be similar to Alpha lenses adapted with LAEA-3, which is terrible performance compared to LAEA-4 adapter. The latter being quite good, but not like native A-Mount.
Metabones degrade image quality and focus speed. Even a cheap Canon camera will get you better iq and better autofocus (not to mention the rest) over any A7* + Metabones. But don’t trust my word, go out and try yourself.
You might be talking about the speedboosters with optical elements. But the MB IV doesn’t have glass. Just a pass through adapter. No image quality degrading at all.
Is it well lighttight?
I haven’t had any problems with light leaks. But my E-Mount is permanently wiggly even after Tough E-Mount conversion. The little camera just can’t handle big lenses for prolonged periods.
Been using LAEA-4 with ZA135/1.8 and Metabones IV with Otus 55 and 85 lenses. Not huge, but bigger than E-Mount was ever designed to hold. I would not dare put the 300/2.8 onto an E-Mount.
too late for canon, too many E and FE users now, they are happy and won’t change to use canon.
Too late for Canon? What universe are you living in?
How many stills pros are looking at or have bought the AS7 (the video camera)? That’s the interesting metric few are considering. The times, they are a changin’………
None? Excepa a couple of web “experts”, of course.
Imbecile.
Canon just killed any reason for a potential convert to leave their system.
Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted Sony. Now you’ll be left with the A-Mount loyalists that you betrayed over and over again. Those stupid enough to stick around.
Very true.
Why, did they magically create a viable full frame mirrorless system while nobody was looking?
Our are you one of those tiresome people who believe pixel count is what makes people chose a platform?
Or are you one of those ignoramuses who think the presence of a mirror will disrupt their photography?
The presence of a mirror takes an EVF away, which I prefer greatly. Especially with fast manual focus lenses. I don’t have a personal grudge against flappy mirrors, though. They got us through the 1970s and 1980s very nicely.
So, I suppose if you feel that a mirrorbox is a requirement for photography, you can think I am an idiot.
I don’t know if you are an idiot, but DSLRs have live view with zoom, by now. So you get both options: electronic and optical.
That’ll work as you shoot both stills and video during your wedding on that 5D3. Never tried that have you!
Why do you like EVF? Not arguing just curious
Video through VF, Peaking, White Balance effect in VF, Setting Effect (real time monitoring of exposure in VF). There are disadvantages, but not enough to sway it the other way.
“Video through VF”
No benefit to me
“Peaking”
Possible benefit to me but I prefer split prism
“White Balance effect in VF”
No benefit to me; I have a colour passport and grey cards
“Setting Effect (real time monitoring of exposure in VF)”
No benefit to me as I know how to meter correctly and switch metering modes and I also know how to lock metering
How do you market your work? Website?
He’s the same guy who said digital was for fanboys back in the day.
But what about video, no requests from your wedding clientele?
Magazines, television, website, word of mouth, in person advertising, facebook, twitter
Link? I’d love to see some results from you Hasselblad, compare the look/quality.
You’re shooting nothing competitive (wedding wise) with camera craft rooted in the 1980’s.
Yes, when half of it is video bob.
Exactly, Sally’s figured that out, that’s why she’s running around with that A7S.
Good look with your wedding business using that 500CM. Watch out for Sally & her multi-media productions. Dinosaur.
I’d like a pound for everytime a sony fanboy commented on a canon’s pixel count
Reading comprehension fail.
I read it correctly. I just meant it’s somewhat amusing that for months now, sony fanboys have commented on canon’s lack of pixels. Now things are reversed and the fanboys are going to swap
What you speak for me now, imbecilic comment, there’s still no EVF on the Canon, no good audio options, no good video as far as we know……….
I don’t need an EVF. I’m not new to photography. I use a video camera for video work
What you running?
Nothing, HE’S A TROLL.
This idiot IS A TROLL he posted up about “I know little of video” IGNORE BOB.
You said above that you don’t know much about video yet you contradict yourself once again!
There’s about five Bobs. I don’t know much about video, it is true
With your 500CM no doubt. Imbecile.
I’m not being a fanboy. I sold my canon gear as it wasn’t suitable for me. I have a hasselblad for most of my professional work and an a7 sized body suits my needs for other things. I’m considering getting a leica.
Please look at what canon offers beyond the camera. Not even just canon itself but third party brands for canon.
Wireless flashes that don’t rely on unreliable infra-red. There’s not even ONE for sony. There’s multiple for canon.
Large aperture zoom lenses. I mention zoom lenses because they’re often very useful for a lot of wedding photography.
Good prime lenses.
Plastic lens coating. This might seem cheap for the collector, but for a real world user it’s nice not to have your fingers glued to the lens in the snow.
“the real innovator image”
Canon have already done the innovating, years ago. Sony have still yet to catch up with a lot of things.
Despite all this, canon don’t offer a camera and lens set up that is suitable for me. But I accept my needs are not the majority. If you would like to look at the majority, look at any sports game. Look at the front row and what brands of camera do you see? Look at most weddings, what brands of camera do you see?
Look at most photographers on cruise ships, what brands of camera do you see?
Look at photographers in rough conditions, what brands of camera do you see?
The show was already stolen and it’s a ridiculous vote because most of the people here are biased
I’ve been using Phottix Odin on Sony for years. Pixel King too. Both radio slaves work great with smart function and HSS. Odin allows remote control from camera position.
Please retract your comment that “There’s not even ONE for sony”. It’s been years now.
I stand corrected.
1 Phottix Odin Flash Trigger Set for Sony £349.00
1 Sony HVL-F60M Flashgun £439.00
= £788 excluding shipping.
1 – Yongnuo YN-E3-RT = £76.90
6 – YN600EX-RT = 113.19 * 6 = £679.14
= £756.04 including shipping
I still feel like Sony shafts me but it is genuinely nice to know there is an option available, even if it does cost as much as a broncolor studio flash
Why are you using my name and pretending to be me? That’s a wireless flash trigger set. Not a “wireless flash”, I said “wireless flash”
Well then just get the Phottix Mitros + if you want the built in receiver. Comes in native Sony mount now, without the overheating reputation of F60M. It’s compatible with original Odin Transmitter and Receivers, and still allows full remote control.
And I’m sorry if someone is impersonating you. Not cool.
Please stop pretending to be me.
And you stop pretending to be me.
Phottix Mitros + wireless trigger and receiver = expensive.
Is there a phottix mitros with radio wireless?
Yes, Mitros +.
Yes, they are expensive. A new trigger is expected soon, with better usability and AF assist. Hopefully, they cut those prices.
Thanks, I’ll look into these
I might be done with it soon. Crazy new lighting equipment on lightingrumors.com. Fabulous innovations coming out for the strobist who’s not afraid of manual or continuous. Great time to be a strobist.
Yiblo
http://www.lightingrumours.com/yidoblo-x-360-6137#.VMzt1F7F83c
Magneflash
http://www.lightingrumours.com/magneflash-a-lux-video-mono-6721#.VMzsil7F83c
Siros
http://www.lightingrumours.com/broncolor-siros-review-6693#.VMzsy17F83c
Flashpoint
http://www.lightingrumours.com/flashpoint-zoom-li-ion-6670#.VMzs8V7F83c
Pixel
http://www.lightingrumours.com/pixel-x800c-speedlite-6748#.VMztL17F83c
Cube
http://www.lightingrumours.com/bowens-distributing-led-light-cube-6599#.VMztdl7F83c
Indra
http://www.lightingrumours.com/phottix-indra500-shipping-6628#.VMztjl7F83c
I don’t think the mitros+ are available in europe :(. If someone could link me to a few and the commander, for sony, I’d be happy :).
I already have studio lights (broncolor move) for high wattage stuff. I just want a bunch of speedlights
A bunch of speedlights?
I’m using eight 5600HS or F56AM flashes (same thing). They are cabled together in pairs with one Odin receiver controlling the pair as one unit. Both paired lights are powered by Godox PB900 with dual outlets. Everything is HSS and TTL capable.
I’ve arranged special bag that allows the units to be completely assembled inside bag already on bracket, so no cumbersome setup. Two lights on bracket with slave, connector cables never unplugged, power cables never unplugged from battery packs. Just set up the stand, attach the bracket, hang the battery, and set umbrella if desired, and go. Can set up in 30 secs. The whole rig goes right back into the bag.
I haven’t charged the PB900 in four shoots. No need.
I’m using a three foot speedlight bracket with two flashes on each side. The top foot can accept LED for modeling light if necessary.
Works great.
You can get those 5600HS/56AM units for $150 all day long used on the Bay.
I want a bunch of speedlights, yes. For example with the 600ex-rt I could stand in a field, put lights under different trees, branches, etc and control the power of each flash from the commander. When I wanted to find the lights again, I could fire the modelling light. I don’t necessarily need ETTL as the inverse square law isn’t very complex but I would like a commander to adjust the power output. I won’t be grouping flashes up as I tend to use my move pack for that. I’ll have a look on ebay at all the stuff you mentioned, thanks
It uses infrared. I’m so confused. Can you link me to a 600ex-rt type flash? I’ll buy 5 of them and a commander, so if you have one of those fancy sites that gives you money every time you pay through it, do that
Ignore this statement. The review I read had a typo. It’s radio wireless you are correct
Yep, ignoring you bookworm.
I’m confused now, who’s who around here. I am Spartacus.
We both have split personalities, that’s why we post as other people to make a point.
Unfortunately they don’t compare to the light output of the canon flash. It is better than nothing I suppose, I just wish sony would make a canon equivalent and control it using the in camera wifi. There’d be no need for an extra commander. I still feel it’s erroneous to believe canon aren’t innovative in comparison to sony
Of course it’s erroneous, they simply “innovate” on different fronts. The Mitros is quite good, and it outputs as much as the 580EX, and recycles as fast. It is not quite as reliable but it can zoom the flash remotely, unlike Canon.
I’ve seen the mitros and 600ex-rt side-by-side. It’s not as good. The 580 is a discontinued model.
Is there a new mitros with radio wireless flash?
The Mitros+, but it’s not much cheaper than the 600EX. You can save something with a used 580EX + Odin receiver, but I think that only works on Canon – worth inquiring though.
It’s not just your name.
the $400 Westcott Zeppelin is just as clean and even as the $7K Broncolor PB. Does it have as much power?? no.
Minolta/sony had a few innovations as well… for example the Minolta Maxxum 7000. I bought one when they first came out with the 70-210 “beer can” lens both still function as they did when they were new. (minus an lcd bleed…but that is my fault)
the only ppl who should be concerned is the medium format digital market. If canon releases a 50mp camera with 4k with will be anywhere between $8-$10K. Sony will release the same, or similar camera, for around $3.5-4K with better IQ.
This doesn’t affect medium format, in my opinion. My medium format lenses are better suited to 50mpix than little full frame lenses
Oops, forgot to mention. Also my hasselblad works much better with my broncolor gear than anything canon offers, mostly because of the shutter
I would agree with you 100% if I only shot stills.
I can’t really comment on video. I don’t know much about it. I tried it on my 5d mk 3 for a few minutes and thought the camera was better suited as a sandbag for a real video camera, lol
Once again, i agree. Canon video looks as though it was shot with a dslr… you need third party apps to really bring out the quality… the a7s however looks like video from a camera that is much more expensive. Even though its only 12mp, the stills remind me of when i shot 120 with my old Bronica.
Number one reason I’m shooting Sony!
Moved over to LED’s for video and stills.
My Hasselblad, My Broncolor. Do you have “My Website” to share with us?
I don’t really like sharing links at drama filled places. Do you have an email address?
sonytroll666@yahoo.com
Hasselblad H?
h5d-60
FujiBlad, nice.
Really, good luck back in the 1980’s.
My a99, 50/1.4Z, 24-70/2.8Z, and 85/1.4Z seems like a threat to Canon 😉
Coming from a Canon FF user…I switched to Sony last year and haven’t looked back.
Best wishes to A mount, then.
I’m right there with you, only you owe it to yourself to try the 135/1.8Z as well if you haven’t already! 300/2.8G2 and 70-200/2.8G2 are also very impressive glass!
Those suggestions are all telephoto lenses though… Which makes them one trick ponies which will only add a massive amount of weight to balancedphoto’s gearbag (he appears to be primarily a portrait and wedding photographer, which is what I am too).
I think your 3 Ziess lenses are exactly the right ones to own for the A-Mount system for what you do, and they’re the 3 that I own too!
For the times that I’m shooting an event that requires that I shoot telephoto, like a dimly lit wedding ceremony with strict restrictions on how close I can get to the couple while they say their vows, I rent a 70-200mm F2.8 G or a 135mm F1.8 Ziess, and for casual outdoor candid telephoto shooting, to add variety to my work, I shoot a few frames with a 70-210mm F4 Minolta beercan.
The Beercan is super lightweight, so I don’t mind always keeping it in my bag for those few times that as a portrait photographer you might want to shoot at 200mm.
The other two lenses that I’d highly recommend to balancedphoto are the Minolta (or the Sony) 100mm F2.8 Macro and the 35mm F2 Minolta.
Both are extremely sharp, some of the sharpest that minolta ever made actually, and both give you something quite special for a portrait and wedding photographer. The Macro gives you a great tool for shooting close ups of earrings, necklaces, rings, the ceremony program, the menu, food shots at the reception, or the favours for the guests (which are usually small too). But it also does double duty and serves as an F2.8 telephoto which is extremely sharp. For me it negates the 135mm F1.8 because for candid reportage it’s super tough to reliably get accurate focus on someone’s eyes with a telephoto in a fast moving reception and the 100mm Macro is crazy sharp at F2.8, which is what I’d often end up stopping the 135mm down to.
The Minolta 35mm F2 on the other hand, is an excellent tool for weaving through a crowd and capturing natural moments from up close. Because of the lens’ tiny size and minimal weight, it’s easier to navigate a dark, crowded room with it on versus the 24-70mm F2.8 Zeiss, and it’s F2 aperture offers better subject to background separation for wider people shots at the reception during cocktail hour, on the dancefloor, crowd shots at the ceremony, hugs after the ceremony, and in small spaces like if the bride gets ready at home in a bedroom or if she’s not in a massive suite at a hotel. It’s also crazy sharp in the centre which is what you want for reportage. It’s actually sharper wide open at F2 than the 24-70mm F2.8 Zeiss is at F2.8 (the Zeiss I shoot at around F3.2 on the wide and standard focal lengths or F3.5/F4 if I’m zoomed in to 70mm).
I sometimes think about the 24mm F2 Zeiss, but the 24-70mm F2.8 Zeiss is pretty good at the 24mm end and the amount of subject to background isolation that a 24mm lens affords you is pretty negligible between F2 and F2.8/F3.2, so that’s one that I can’t justify buying and carrying around in my bag.
Those long telephotos are definitely sharp, and the perfect tools for shooting wildlife, but I don’t think that any of those 3 are needed for a wedding photographer’s kit.
Some of these Canon DSLR’s are smaller than my a7R. They’ve got compact system with native mount… Just like the a33 style A-Mount that Sony killed.
E-Mount has firmly placed Sony into the same public perception as Samsung, Olympus, Fuji, Panasonic. Yet they fail on both promises of compact lens and pro grade capability.
Wait till Canon makes their own full frame a33 EVF from a Rebel compact. Then SonSamOlyFujPanny will be in a real tit.
This is hilarious…
“Does the company that routinely kicks Sony’s buttocks in sales and has over twice the market share pose a threat to Sony?”
(X) YES
( ) I need my medications
Unlikely – a-mount aside they don’t compete directly and arguably complement each other…
When I hear Canon users complain about the sensor in their camera it is usually because other brands offer better low light performance and more dynamic range, not more MP. Now that the low end of the market has gone to smartphones remaining customers are much more likely to look at overall sensor performance instead of just MP. If the new Canon sensor offers improvements in DR and low light it may steal the show from Sony but just a high MP count is not going to do it.
new cameras on the horizone and the old show begins again, oh dear. same arguments, same smarta$$es, same questions, same headlines – endless repitition…
@admin: Do you have any rumors about the A-Mount Stuff which should soon announced.
It might be the answer to Canon. Please ask your sources
Canon expects to be #1 in mirrorless sales by end of 2017.
Mirrorless. Rumors.
Lol
with the super duper Canon eos M 3 , hell yeah 😀 !
Is that from the same guy who claimed that Canon has the best Sensors?
LMFAO… admin you should be smoking something when you put on these titles.
you are speaking like really you are believing it…..
Hillucination…
With the 5Ds and a 4k Vid capable 5D4 they are “just” preventing themselves to loose more loyal customers.
They still have a sticky professionals base which are demanding these “conventional” cameras.
But they shall not feel to save with that.
I just have had a chat with my pro retailer today regarding DSLR vs. DSLM. And he mentioned that from his perspective it is a more than just a trend that people are going mirrorless only.
He has a lot of customers who went on the FE train as second camera for everyday/holiday reasons, which swapped permanently onto the FE-only train. Admitedly these haven’t been commercially professionals, but anyway.
Apparently size matters a lot. He thinks (and I agreed) that even with an EF mount mirrorless Canon will not be able to fight against Sony – a ML EF mount would mostly sell instead of an DSLR EF.
Let’s see the review later before judging.
It’s preposterous question that admin asks in the headline. Sony’s overall ILC sales pale in comparison to Canon, which remains the market leader. My understanding is that, even with the great press Sony’s FE cameras and the A6000 have gotten, its overall market share of ILC cameras is about where it was many years ago for DSLR cameras, before “mirrorless” hit the market. While some of what Sony has done more recently may have taken some of the lustre off some Canon products by comparison, they still sell better than Sony (and Canon doesn’t even compete in the mirrorless segment). Sony’s bigger concern is trying to increase its market share. Given that “traditional” DSLR type cameras (I’m including Sony’s SLT cameras in this category) still outsell “mirrorless” cameras about 2-3 to 1 overall, Sony would need to make gains in the DSLR segment to really significantly increase its overall market share, as it seems unlikely that it could make enough gains just in the market share that the E-mount cameras have (including FE) to make a big market share jump given that mirrorless camera sales aren’t really increasing overall, but admittedly are not in as steep a decline as are DSLR sales. A 50+ MP camera is a very niche product, and while it will no doubt add “star power” to a camera system line-up, in terms of overall market share it won’t mean much. If Sony really wanted to make a big jump forward it would look at how to make its cameras, more efficient to use for the way people now seem to use cameras (e.g., easy ability to share in social media, easier to manage files, ability to do custom file naming and other stuff so you don’t have to do it in the computer, and more). In other words, make the workflow with our digital images much easier and faster than it now is.
Dual pixel was good effort but Canon need better image quality to compete -Samsung and Sony are the ones to watch= the true electronic companies though Panasonic is a bit disappointing sensor wise. Nikon seem to get better results than Sony do with their own sensors though!
You would not notice those differences in any proper tests. Not the online paid tests, I mean proper tests.
Apparently Canon is going to use sony sensors; Have you tried to autofocus a Samsung??
Sony has done some AMAZING things recently. But at the end of the day, Canon still steals their lunch everyday in overall sales. I think Sony has been a great asset to the overall market because it has forced others to push their competitive limits, which is what makes capitalism so fantastic! I look forward to Canon’s new bodies and those from Sony as well. But don’t get fooled. All those pro shooters on the sidelines of professional sports will still be holding 1DX and 5D bodies and great white lenses. Until Sony can create an ALL AROUND great camera, and not just a sensor, nothing will change. And think beyond the camera. Why else do most pros use Canon? Service. Sony has long had terrible customer service. I used to sell Sony products. Canon? I had a three day turnaround on doing a massive repair on a 70-200 IS2. 3. days. Thats what Pros want. Until Sony can create a total system AND the service to back it up, Canon will keep stealing their lunch money.
All Sony needs to do is resolve the shutter vibration issue and provide uncompressed RAW files (this is a no brainer) in the A7r ii, and the mirrorless option will be better for most ~ I don’t want to carry a heavy DSLR again. However, If they don’t resolve these issues, the Sony will be inferior to either the D810 and perhaps the upcoming Canon 5Ds. Sony needs more high-quality fast primes for the system though, as they keep pumping out cameras without a sufficient set of lenses.
Personally, I wish Fuji was less conservative, and would introduce some full frame mirrorless options, as the X-Series design is far nicer, and Fuji’s lenses are exceptional (just need to introduce a fast prime 21mm, 50mm, and 85mm for the full frame camera at release, and it would sell well). However, sadly, I doubt that is going to happen. So, perhaps I am just waiting for Sony to design a high-quality A7r series camera without the shutter vibration issue and with uncompressed RAW files. If not, I will stick with my DP Merrills and Fuji X-Series cameras.
I still have Canon L lenses too, but they are just collecting dust ~ it would be nice to have a non-crippled A7r series camera to use them on…Come on Sony ~ uncompressed RAW files please!
That would mean much more processing power, so larger batteries, so more cost and weight. A consumer company that raped a small flimsy mount like that, creating a DOA line of cameras, instead of doing proper engineering, and betraying their well-rooted A mount system, cannot be trusted in general. They want your money and they want it now. What you get for your quids is solely your problem, there will make new apps anyway.
Yes, that is fairly accurate. I have never liked the design and feel of Sony cameras, and even once they design a A7r series camera (don’t like AA filters) that is not crippled, I would still be hesitant to buy one, as they seem to just be throwing things at the wall, and seeing what sticks ~ they definitely aren’t focused on, and perhaps don’t have the ability to, designing high-quality lenses. They design great sensors but wrap them with poorly designed, beta-like bodies, without sufficient lenses.
no it wouldn’t. the DSP has to read off the entire sensor anyways, the amount of power required to write out a bigger file is not even an issue. Sony SHOULD do it – or at least change their marketing material that brags about outputting 14bit raw files with no mention of compression let alone lossy compression. They outright deceive and lie in their marketing materials.
Compressing the data and transferring it compressed is less demanding, ie quicker. Compare the shooting speed with jpg only or raw only. This applies to *many* toy cameras on the market.
Only thing it means is potentially larger files.
Only in your head doing nothing to the data takes more processing power than compressing it
Based on todays postings on several major rumor sites..
Canon expects to be #1 in mirrorless sales by 2017.
If…as I expect they will..Canon utilizes an updated version of thier dual pixel system…they will have a mirrorless system that does not rely on stepper motors and is therefore not only fully compatable with current Canon glass but also could be made fully compatable with Nikon and A mount glass….E mount currently reguires an SLT mirror in the form ok f an laea4 adapter just to be compatable with A mount lenses.
Sony …in thier stubborn policy of desighning everything to be proprietary has painted themselves into a corner.
Sony themselves have killed A mount, and Canon will kill E mount.
Few people will choose E mount with a pitifull collection of lots and lots of the same few common focal length lenses…when Canon realeases thier competing pro level mirrorlrss system that uses Canons existing provlevel collection of lenses.
E mount will have absolutely no way to compete.
The only customers that Sony will have are those early E mount users that find themselves lenslocked by thier foolish decision to jump onto the first mirrorless system that shows up.
Sony has burned tje A mount bridge and will regret that decision.
Can you please explain the story with step motors and different focus systems?
Traditional Ultrasonic motors (also known as Supersonic, Hypersonic, Silent Wave) work very well with Phase-Detect AF, but poorly (hunting) with Contast-Detect AF.
The newer Stepper motors (can usually be recognised by the lens having a Focus-by-wire focus ring) work very well with both systems, but are more important for CD-AF cameras as they work poorly with the older predominant motors.
SLR and SLT af systems can not only tell if an image is in focus but also which direction and how much it is out of.
Lenses have powerfull motors that can move big elements quickly and directly to the correct position.
OSPDAF in Sony mirrorless system knows only if the image is in focus, and how badly it is out.
It focuses by moving smaller lighter elements rapidly in and out until best focus is achieved. This requires a stepper motor that is extremely fast, but not very powerfull to move very light elements.
Thes motors ar not currently suited to SLR/SLT lenses with bigger heavier focus elements.
As a result these lenses will focus much slower on mirrorless cameras…if at all.
Dual Pixel can tell the direction and amount the image is out of focus therefore will work on conventional SLR lenses.
This differrence in af technology will give Canon an overwhelming advantage over Sony when Canon is ready to challenge the mirrorless market.
Thanks.
You forgot Metabones Canon EF Lens Speed Booster Mark IV which can be surely more efficient than Sony LA-EA 4 because i am quite disappointed by it ( rather use MF Mode) and hope it will be possible to trade-in it for a new and more efficient one in AF.
Like Sony design compared to Nikon J1 or Canon EOS M ones. The both last design are closer to compact digital camera…
Rubbish, sony is on its 4th generation e-mount video camera and gaining more and more traction. Canon is not going to change it’s ways anytime soon, they might come up with a mirrorless system that can be a little better then the eosM but it won’t be spectacular or full featured.
You think you don’t care about video, but the truth is video does not care about you or your nonsense predictions. Sony is the biggest video camera producer and they have a massive base with this market no matter what crap you post here they are not going anywhere.
Canon is trying to follow a revolution they did not start or understand, they never even got the success of the 5DII. The C300 is a great looking camera but completely surpassed by the FS7, Sony is just going to beat everybody and produce the most interesting camera’s.
“Sony …in thier stubborn policy of desighning everything to be proprietary has painted themselves into a corner.”
Which still camera company (since m42 and mf gel out of favor), does not use proprietary technology for lens mounting, communication, hot shoe communication, etc.?
Really? The headline appears backwards. Talk “innovation” all you want. Sony remains the underdog.
This is all a bit of a nonsense created by the headline question! Certainly, it would make more sense if asked the other way around.
However, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the problem is not even so much other companies within the sector, but rather the whole market for cameras. To compete, advances must be made, but the cost of those advances won’t be recouped before the next advance is needed.
Trying to address such an issue means gathering as much a total market share as possible and here Canon clearly do have an advantage. Of course, countering that depends upon how you view the market and its divisions. It is apparent from this and other threads that the distinctions between market sectors are blurred and technology is struggling to cross the boundaries.
Put simply, a camera would succeed if it was solidly built, had extremely fast and accurate AF, noise was low at high ISO, it had the best resolution and quickest frame rates, the DR was very broad, lens selection went from ultra wide to extreme telephoto, fast primes and zooms, user interface was slick and easy, 4K video was perfect, batteries lasted for days, and it was light…
Unfortunately, such a beast is, at present, completely impossible!
How each company fares is going to depend upon how they balance the options and what compromises customers wil make. The tricky part is that the compromise I’ll accept may well be different from the man standing next to me.
Personally, I’d be happy with slightly slower lenses (albeit a full range) and a limited battery life if the AF was the absolute very best and we can keep that weight down. I think many might agree, so I’d say if Sony really want to threaten Canon they need ot get their AF right and get that full range of e-mount glass on the market as soon as possible. Any hiccup and a good Canon mirrorless could knock them right back down again.
As I look at these poll results I find it totally amazing that a majority of SAR readers actuall think Canon is no a threat.
All Sony has going for them is E mount, they have effectivelly killed A mount, and when Canon adapts dual pixel to mirrorless they will have thier full and totally compatable arsenal of lenses..against whatever pitifull collection of FE lenses Sony has to offer
How can anyone not realize that Canon will clobber Sony in the mirrorless market too.
In the words of a former prolific SAR commenter who is no longer with us.
IT’S CLOBBERIN TIME !
The majority of SAR readers are TROLLS, there are a few of us however aren’t. We are objective, but we’ve moved on because Canon don’t cater to 21st century imaging yet, Sony do. Stills, Video and Audio from one compact system, that’s Sony’s forte.
Not necessarily a majority of trolls but certainly a lot of fanboys. If you took the same poll on a Canon rumors site the results would be reversed. That should come as no surprise. There could be some backlash on Canon though if all they did was scale the 7D MK II sensor to 50mp which means the Canon Dynamic range issue would remain unadressed. We will know soon.
Fanboy or realist? Look to your video shooters, many of them are stills guys, they couldn’t care less about brand loyalty. Many stared with film based Nikon’s, moved over to canon for the A/F in early the 1990’s with the EOS. They stayed with Canon for the first 5D and its filmic sensor look, got hit-up-side-the-head with the 5D2 and video. Went through all the malarkey trying to rig-out the 5D2 and now they’re happily running around with the A7S’s. It’s what’s called evolution.
Pretty accurate 🙂 We, the video people, love the A7S wit an actual EVF + peaking and its XLR adapter.
Of course, you’re not a troll as you humbly point your finger at nearly everyone else. Explains why you go by “Anonymous.” Seriously…
Well said, but your point………
You hide behind anonymity. ..a cowardly act.
That is besides the fact! You are incorrect in your prediction, try taking the highroad and admitting it……….
The rumoured camera is an EOS-M3, which means EF-M mount and likely APS-C only. That also means adapters are required to use EF lenses. That isn’t a solution for long term dominance of the mirrorless market.
All the successful mirrorless systems have cameras AND lenses that have been designed for mirrorless from the ground up, and that means Canon need more EF-M lenses. A mirrorless strategy based on utilising old lenses designed for DSLR is doomed to failure.
Ospdaf sensors need lenses desighned for them from the ground up.
Dual pixel does not…therefore an adapter can be made without optical elements or plastic film to shoot through.
When Canon is ready they will pursue the mirrorless market in earnest and Sony will loose.
Come back in 2 years and tell me I was right…if you are capable of that.
You have never acknowledged I was right about high resolution or IBIS on E mount…so I doubt you are capable of ever admitting I am right.
I know a lot about animals though, and fish too.
I’m not talking about AF, I’m talking about the fact it needs an adapter at all. Without native EF-M lenses, a short flange EOS-M is compromised. If Canon stick to EF mount for mirrorless, it is also compromised.
What were you right about? You predicted high mp sensors and IBIS in E-mount. Well, no sh*t Sherlock! High mp sensors were simply a matter of time and IBIS in E-Mount was probably the most requested feature. But I guess if you need your ego stroking, then hey, well done Barry, you were right! You truly are the Nostradamus of the camera world.
An adapter with only electrical connections that maintains full af function is not a big deal.
Any device that blocks the lightpath is.
As for no sh*t…ypu gave me plenty of sh*t at every opportuinity …now I would preffer to answer almost anyone but you..however since you are currently being civil so am I.
What everybody seems to be missing is that “the party is over!” And whoever wins will rule over a MUCH smaller world. Camera sales have already peaked, and are rapidly going downhill. This will not change in our lifetime.
Canon will be a winner because of their large size. M4/3 will win because of their light weight and great selection of lenses. GoPro will win because they lead in ActionCams. Leica will still be making cameras for a loyal base of collectors. Maybe one MFD brand will survive, but I doubt it.
Full Frame is a loser. Too effing BIG for casual users and not enough enthusiasts to support a FF market. Sony and Nikon Bet Big on up-selling their crop frame customers, while Canon continued to support APS-C. Canon wins.
I Really, really like my NEX 5n, but Sony has mismanaged the E-mount. Lots and lots of Kit Quality 18 to infinity zoom, and not much else. For non-pixel peepers Sigma’s trio of f/2.8 primes is about as good as it gets (but doesn’t add anything to Sony’s bottom line). There are Too Damned Many models, you can do this in a growing market, but today’s market is SHRINKING rapidly. When and if the a7000 arrives I’ll buy a couple to use with the Sigmas and a few adapted Nikon lenses. If Sony decides to give use another FE camera instead of an a7000, I’ll buy four a6000 at Fire Sales prices.
Hey, I’m also an E-mount APS-C user, and I think that Sony will keep producing E-mount bodies and lenses. I think that Sony’s 24, 35 and 50mm lenses are not too shabby either. The 24mm is really good. For the rest of the lenses, Samyang seems really really good. I have their 16mm f/2 lens, and it’s excellent. I’m planning on buying their 12mm and 135mm lenses as well.
I can also only imagine that at some point in the future, Sony will release more APS-C lenses too.
I hope you are right that Sony will be releasing more useful E-mount lenses and bodies.
But think that they are fixated on the FE.
They are. But I think that once they have a bigger FE mount offering, they will also release some more E lenses. But it’s a hope. We can also hope more lenses come out from third parties too!
>Full Frame is a loser.
On the contrary… with FF getting increasingly affordable, APS-C will probably die out. Dedicated cameras are targeting ethusiasts / pros now, casual shooters who care about compactness just shoot with their smartphones.
And Enthusiasts/Pros is too small of a market to make a real profit. Yes APS-C will also die-out , but at slower rate than Big, Bulky Full Frame.
Canon is rumored to be introducing a new mirrorless camera next week utilzing thier dual pixel system.
This may be the begining of the end for E mount.
Already Olympus mirrorless sales are close to matching E mount sales.
Close as in half of e mount sales
M43 is dead already. Canon lost the battle
Samsung takes all
E mount is dead..far more dead than A mount …you just don’t know it yet.
In less than 2 years you will !
EF Mount is dead. Who cares about a Canon Mirrorless Camera if you need to use Dinosaur Lenses from DSLRs 😛
I do. They are the same size as E mount lenses, you know?
But you can build them smaller becouse you do not need a retro-fokus design, you know? Leica shows what is possible in terms of size and quality and the FE 35 F2.8 is pretty small. So with a mount that has a short flange distance smaller lenses are possible 😉
Funny how few of those Leica lenses actually measure-up on their native mount & sensor even with all the jiggerypokery Leica do with the RAW files.
Leica does, Sony does not. Do you know why?
Dinosaurs rulethe earth for 250 million years..
Canon has just begun .
E-mount is still gaining bro…. wht are you talking ???
Exactly, a clueless comment. Has he never seen E mount video cameras, the AS7 is a runaway success for Sony. Sheesh.
Look at todays mirrolless camera rumors..Sony is losing, Olympus has almost caufht up, and Canon will dominate by 2017.
Next week Canon is expected to introduce a new mirrorless camera with dual pixels…dual pixels will wipe out ospdaf in less than 2 years.
Mayby Sony can buy thier dual pixel sensors from Canon.
I’m a stills guy, but I shoot more video than stills today, the budgets are healthier – but I still shoot stills. Look what Sony have just given us for ten grand, the FS7. Now run over the Canon and look at a C500, it is fifty grand. You see when stills guys are leaving Canon? We’ll make do with the quirks of mirrorless, we get a lot more bang for our buck with Sony. Spend a little more time researching “photographers” rather than “tech” and you’ll see where all this is actually going.
You skipped my comment I see………
I just answered a question almost identical to yours and expected you to read that answer.
If I answer you too my critics will accuse me of saying the same thing over and over again…I did not ignore you.
E mount is a video centric mount. Is this simple fact beyond your understand? Video imaging is healthy unlike still imaging. Stills will co-exist on the E mount alongside video!
See my answer to Jim 🙂
Barry, you wrote:
>E mount is dead..far more dead than A mount …you just don’t know it yet.In less than 2 years you will !<
But you still cannot admit it's a futile statement. Is there any hope for you?
You wrote:
>E mount is dead..far more dead than A mount …you just don’t know it yet.In less than 2 years you will !<
But you still cannot admit it's a futile statement. Is there any hope for you?
You only see in two dimensions Barry, you always overlook the obvious – video!
I don’t care about video..never did never will…so you can interpret my comments accordingly…
For those who do care about video they make video cameras…I have no need for a video camera and will not compromise for a camera that does both.
If video capability has no effect on stills I dont care…I will not however sacrifice still photos in any way to have video capability.
Another silly comment, you just throw them out without any proper thought!
I don’t see it – as far as Sony’s concerned the a7 series is a runaway success. As far as the customers are concerned, they keep delivering with every new body. On the apsc front the a6000 and a5100 are very impressive…
The only real contender is Canon, and that’s assuming they’re serious about mirrorless. If they’re just going to release another apsc body, it won’t excite the pros. On the other hand, if they release a full frame mirrorless body, it’ll cannibalise 5d/6d sales. Even then they’re late to the party and will be playing catchup.
So far, Sony is the only company offering an entry level – pro mirrorless lineup.
Remember that Canon destroyed the FD market when they switched to EOS. No reason to believe that they won’t do it again.
The voice of a bitter A-mount user….
All A mount users are bitter !
And that will come back to haunt Sony.
I’m thankful Sony saved the a mount from the grave 9 years ago and gave it life that Konica never could / would have. I’m also great ful that there is a good path for continued use of a mount lenses and accessories on mirror less cameras current and future.
Barry, you will never be happy. You are not even a photographer. Here you now can go get a 50 mp camera for a reasonable price that can utilize then lens purchase that you have for some reason been proclaiming on here for over a year about and yet you still complain. You are not really looking for a solution, you just enjoying venting frustrations on here.
There is a stronge possibility that I will buy the new Canon and Sigma 150-600 sport and 1.4x sigma global vision teleconverter, but I need to see how good the camera is and what else comes out…mayby Nikon will also release a high mp camera.
Unfortunately Sony is not an option currently because neither the lens I want or any comparable lens will work on a Sony camera.
Unless someone makes a surprise lens anouncement or Sony makes a laea4 for canikon there are only 2 choices.
when canon go mirorless they will have no lens at all, who would put big dslr lens on small body that non sense lol
http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/01/31/rules-are-made-to-be-broken-five-filmmaking-rules-pete-pattisson-says-you-should-sometimes-ignore/
Nearly all still shooter BTW. You are the odd duck. Sony don’t care about you, you are statistically insignificant in your wants list! Just sayin’
Hot on the heals of the runaway success that was the eos m…
However already with dual pixel the 70D in liveview is as fast as a NEX-7. The A6000 is two generations ahead in mirrorless AF performance and the LAEA4 is faster.
Also in lowlight your dual pixel won’t be able to keep up with cdaf in sony’s hybrid AF.
Wow, we never heard of the end of the E-mount before did we? When Fuji came with their first mirrorless the end of E-mount came near, so was predicted. Then came Nikon with their mirrorless, again this would end Sony soon, E-mount would be dead as a doornail. Oh end when Canon came with their EOS-M this should be the number one soon, every one should buy this buy this wonder camera. Nobody would buy Sony ever again…
And now people are telling how Canon is doing so well with their 10.7 % market share (average over the full year) and how Sony is loosing it with just 34.7% average…
And even when Canon become number one in mirrorless, that is not the end of E-mount. Sony will go on as number two or number 3.
But before that happens, sony will fight with new cameras and lenses, canon has some catching up to do when they come with a FF mirrorless system, and even in APS they are behind. So we will see what will happen.
And repeating that E-mount will be dead does not make it the truth…
Dual pixel AF is not a dedicated AF system, it only assists for video.
It doesn’t compete with OSPDAF.
The new Canon mirrorless camera possibly being anounced next week will be dual pixel.
Kwanon is completely and hopelessly unable to create a highly serious, DSLR-matching mirrorless camera.
Moreso because they don’t want to.
Too bad – the Little EOS M 22mm lens was awesome.
Canon…they changed thier name a long time ago…holds the trump card….dual pixel should be usable without stepper motors.
This will …when and if they choose to do so…allow them to either build a mirrorless ff camera with the same mount as thier dslr, and/or use thier new mount with a simple adapter to utilize thier current dslr lenses.
Either of these options would quickly and easily achieve thier stated goal of becoming the mirrorless leader by 2017.
As for quality….Canon has quality sensorrs..and can buy Sony sensors too.
The new ff 50mp sensor is probably a Canon sensor and may not have dual pixel..
But there is still that rumor that Sony will make thier high mp sensor for Canon with the Canon dual pixels.
I would therefore speculate that this new sensor may be for the new ff canon mirroress camera…what better way for Canon to compete against E mount than with the exact same sensor but capable of taking current Canon glass.
If this quess turns out to be correct will you give me on for a print?
Which mirrorless camera matches DSLRs?
Competition benefits consumers.
We all know the canon dpaf is a flop.
It is Samsung that both Sony and Canon should fear. While the Japanese do their small marketing tricks Samsung have unlimited advertising budget and are not afraid to unleash any and all options to gain market share. Speaking things like 4k, mirrorless, even 8k, pro codecs, nd filters, ultra high bitrates, Android SDK are not off the table
Samsung does not have a DSLR-Line that they need to protect like Canon, Samsung also does not have any Profeffional Video Cameras that they need to protect like Sony or Canon, they do not have an old system that they have to keep compatibility with like Nikon.
Samsung does not have any of those and thats why they are truly free to do what ever they want. But they have a few very importand things: They have a lot of cash, they produce their own processors and own sensors, they have a huge development department, and once they focus on a market they take it over. See what happened to the TV market? Why was leader in the past and who is now? The same happened in smart phone land.
I am afraid that Canon, Sony and Nikon will have enough worries becouse of Samsung.
Time will tell, we will see…
I, too, have the feeling that Samsung could become a big player here. Look at the sensor tech they put in the NX1.
All electronic proprietary lenses is not a clue of long lasting compatibility
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/39338769
If NX camera line disappears then your NX lenses will remain like as many LEGO bricks 😉
I have no Samsung lenses. But this is s.th. I know about my Nikon G lenses. But for their price, I don’t really care. I had enough time to get ROI.
At last, the voice of reason!!!!!
Canon should abandon their DSLR line for few years longer as this far. They should just go and re-design their future design with new objectives for future in the mind.
At first release a mirrorless model from 1D and 5D and maybe 7D. And then just focus to new models. Those who want DSLR, can keep the current models and semi-mirrorless. And then move to new objectives, new lines and use adapters to get old objectives in use.
Who know what will happen….Samsung might come out with “another” #DitchTheDSLR campaign.. Lol
I cannot imagine that Samsung will burn money in a shrinking market with so strong competition just to gain market share.
Exactly! While Canon and Sony waste their talent and time inventing ways to prevent people from taking great movies with 5d and A7s Samsung are proud that a TVstudio is using NX1. Even if Canin go mirrorless it will be half hearted effort to keep the 5D and 7D selling.
We see same I the ken arena. Samsung are just making fabulous lenses for decent price while Sony and Fuji and Olympus are bending backwards to make their cheaper lenses less useful as to sell more expensive models and leave room for even more expensive lenses.
Sony have Androids on NEX line cameras for few years now but an open SDK to write apps for the cameras is still a dream. Samsung already made one Gallaxy NX camera and ad although it was disaster they will try again
@Kiril
I am pretty sure Hans means exactly the opposite of you. He’s saying that he doesn’t think that Samsung will be putting generous amount of money in a shrinking market (mobile phones killing P&S and entry level mirror-less/DSLR, while mirror-less hitting DSLR).
All these resources and features they put in cameras are not free, they cost Samsung dearly and with their mobile phone business in decline, and never made any serious camera success, they wouldn’t be going crazy with investment!
But no full frame sensor…
I think so many (me) have canon glass and accessories (flashes), and are so comfortable with Canon that although we use Sony and love the results are secretly rooting for Canon to shake off the rust and offer some cameras that are as exciting and tech that is as innovative as Sony.
If Sony only had a slightly better user interface/ experience I wouldn’t have to secretly wish Canon back into the fray, but it’s not the case.
Race traitor
what the heck does that mean?
>Canon EOS 5D Mark IV will focus on low light events, wildlife, and sports photography
Meanwhile, Sony currently only makes FF cameras for statue shooting with narrow-aperture lenses. What competition?
I don’t care about wildlife and sports phottography, why should i buy 1kg kg dslr (and 2kg with lens) ? Please tell me what a dslr can do that a A7/R/S/II can not !!!
I don’t care about sports / wildlife either. Few people do, actually. It’s events / reportage (not weddings) where fast AF and f/2.8 zooms help a lot.
What events do you photograph?
Hmm, let’s see… night clubs performances, concerts, political rallies, fire shows, festivals, flashmobs, animal exhibitions, pole dance competitions, LARP games, various conventions… whatever’s going on, really.
fast tracking AF. Internal timer. Slow AF. Retard flash system. you name it
DSLR can do fast accurate tracking AF, better flash system, better build, has internal timer and etc etc
A7II + non FE lenses + adapter = few hundreds gram less DLSR so might not worthed but what we dislike from DSLR is its bulkiness not weightness
I have been using Canon the last 15 years on digital. Before i was using Nikon D1x systemI Love the new A7r and A7II ,they have included so much innovation into there cameras and they got me back in to street photography.
My biggest problem is the Sony has no Professional Repair service. The last 2 repair to more the 4 weeks each. To me that is not acceptable .
Canon pro service, you send in the camera and get it back 4-7days ( never disappointing )
Nikon NPS reminds me what sony service is. I remember getting extra cameras from nikon because it would take so long to get them back from repair. That finally made me switch to canon.
More power to Sony if they can get Pro Imaging Service off the ground.
There’s a Sony pro service in the works. I’ve had the call direct from Sony, its real.
Yes, On paper, I haven’t be able to get anybody to finish my applications, and i do qualify.
We’ll see, they said three to fours weeks after the phone call.
These are new Cameras , what can be broken after such a short time. Are they too weak to stand their ground or have you droped them ?
Barry you sound like a bitter ex who just went through a painful divorce with Sony. It is unfortunate that Sony is slowly diminishing its A mount efforts but spreading heinous lies and whimsical fantasies to the possible unknowledgeable guest that come here is no way to get even. If Canon is God of all things camera related why have you not backed your bags and left yet?
Sony could be on top of the heap and maybe they will get there via the strength of their sensors. To capture the pro market and fend off Canon they need to do the following:
1) Start producing bodies “without” their raw file compression. It needs to be native raw, at least 12bits but should be a true 14 bits.
2) improve the build of the their mirror-less bodies. The A7 II was a step in the right direction but a long way from a Fuji X-T1
3) stay committed to providing quality lenses.
4) menu/control system is improving but still needs work. A long way from Canon/Nikon menu system
5) Significant improvement to firmware upgrade process. Should be able to put firmware upgrade on a card and have the camera read it. Current process is unacceptable.
6) Pro Support
Totally agree
Also a broader mount for ff (or larger…), and proper respomsiveness.
Canon OWNED the market but wasted so much time feeling good about themselves and not developing technology and not making it accessible for a reasonable cost. The question is whether they have learned from their mistakes. I switched to Sony with Leica lenses but I’d probably switch back to Canon if the right camera came out – as the ergonomics are the biggest issue with Sony right now.
There’s no doubt that Canon makes good products. They have their strong points. Their sensor tech has been lacking for quite a few years, though. The 5Ds or whatever will probably be a solid camera but it won’t be for everyone just like Sony’s mirrorless cameras are not for everyone. Nothing will change.
focus more on your photography not so much on that canon dominates the camera market.. morons.
What the hell are you talking about? Discussing camera rumors is far more interesting than taking pictures!
Doesn’t this question depends on whether Canon teamed up with Sony or they developed their own sensor?
None of this would matter if Sony had released 36mp a99 three years ago instead of giving best tech to our competition. Many pro CaNikonians would have converted and free trickle down marketing would have established Sony as heavy alternative.
But nooooooooooooo… All Sony did was show the professional world how they betray their own by not supporting the foundation A-Mount and killing the flash system out of spite. Backstabbing Sony about to be put on public trial. All she has is disenfranchised A-Mount loyalists to defend her. E-Mounters will soon skip away to Samsung and Canon M land.
Hate you Sony for killing my beloved A-Mount and making your pros use toy cameras with adapters just to keep up.
Now it’s Sony’s turn to adapt.
Sony is a public company that must answer to shareholders. Sony Imaging (sensor division) existed before Sony purchased Minolta cameras / lenses. The sensor division makes more money selling sensors than the alpha division (including e mount). Selling sensors to Nikon, Canon, Apple and others is a much larger revenue generator than just selling sensors married to a camera to the small share of the market that is Sony ILC cameras.
But you whine because Sony camera consumers do not alwaYs get the newest sensor first but that is because you are seeing thing backwards. If not for the benefit of the Sony sensor business Sony may not have purchased ,Minoltas camera IP and the a mount would have died nine years ago. Additionally Sony possibly would never have released the a7r or a7s since they would have had to commission these specialized sensors. A7r uses can thank Nikon for the former. So if canon did commission this.. Sensor from Sony then ..Sony consumers can be thankful because eventually it can be made available to alpha users, which they would otherwise not get. Since canon will have subsidized the r&d on the sensor, Sony will have greater flexibility in offering it at a better price too.
Don’t forget Olympus and Pentax as well. Sony sensors are ruling the world.
I own over $20G in Sony gear. I’m a freaking shareholder they don’t answer to.
Sell your “shares.”
Force customers to sell their equipment just to keep up with competition.
Good plan Sony. Real good plan.
Well, you have learned that you are an electronics consumer not a corporate shareholder. If your equipment has not paid for itself via paid work than you are spending too much money on gear.
You speak of the competition – are your competitors shooting with 50mp right now? If so, which 135 body are they using? If they are using canon then They have been shooting with less resolution than. Sony users for 6+ years.
I stay up late at night trying to figure out what the heck to do with my A mount. Buy an overpriced A99 when it’s trumped by an A7R and D810? Nah, no thanks. You can grab a D800 these days for 1500 bucks. Sad really. Hmmm, lets see. Iso performance? Nah, even a Pentax K5IIS has just about the same performance as the A99…no AA filter either and it’s 500 bucks. Big bulky full frame has to be worth something. Maybe I’ll grab an a900 and just rock that for a few more years. Nah, even my EP5 Olympus does about the same image quality and has better AF. If I still want an amazing OVF Pentaprizm they are out there- but not in Sony camp.
How about just grabbing an A77II for awhile? Ok, that’s not a bad idea. I love that camera. But alas, something about putting FF glass on a crop sensor seems quaint these days. Wasting glass potential- should be considered a mortal sin. Wait, I could just adapt those lenses over to E mount? Yeah, I already did that. It’s ok but then again, I’m not using them anywhere near there potential so lets lay that to rest. Flash support? No really. We do get those awesome swively screens now but there are so many mirror less options that have that…and now the D750. EVF? You got me there, but then again a really good Pentaprizm can work wonders and safe your battery.
I believe Canon now offers 5 full frames and Nikon is rocking about the same.
It’s getting hard to even justify full frame these days. I know a lot of wedding photogs doing just fine with APSC. Canon I believe has 5 full frames on offer at the moment. We have one camera. We have ONE CAMERA OPTION. No D4S, no D810…no no no to anything. But, we do have that EVF. I think you see where I’m going with this.
I agree with your first paragraph completely. Why didn’t they just drop the 36mp into a body? so disappointing. Sony was raising some eyebrows in the pro field, then.. “oh just get the d800 it has the best sensor out there” .
The sensor is only a small part of a system, and one of the least significant parts, too. Photographers know this. So don’t worry, that would not have changed a bit.
It will be unforgivable if this sensor turns out to be from sony and debuts on a canon body first! Fool me ones… Shame in you, fool me twice…never !
I think there is something wrong with this rumor. The words “Sony” and “Canon” need to be swapped.
Sony getting a piece of every next gen Canon 5d sale is a huge win and will greatly benefit alpha users.
Right… Canon offers upgrade path with highest MP sensor, a real flash system, a real lens lineup, a real pro services option, a real accessory lineup, a real third party enthusiasm.
Yep, good for Alpha users to get real and stop playing make.believe.
I can still get more native accessories brand new for my Minolta A-Mount and iISO flash units than I can get for Sony E-Mount and MIS flash disaster.
My Minolta designed equipment has most everything available to it that CaNikon have available. Can’t say that about NEX distraction train wreck.
It took Canon over 6 years to offer an upgrade path to the highest resolution [35mm] sensor. What is a big deal is that Sony had R&D covered by Nikon for their 36mp a7r sensor and shared r&d costs on the a99/rx1/a7 sensor. Sony will have R&D covered for this 50mp sensor. Sony alpha users will eventually get these and there will be greater pricing flexibility on the camera bodies that use the sensor.
I agree with you that the system is a lot more important than the camera sensor – which is increasingly becoming one of the least important components of a camera. The flash system absolutely needs to be improved. I can only hope that Sony starts building in radio in their flashes to communicate with the wifi in all their newer cameras.
The lens line-up is the most exciting among mirrors and there is depth in the a-mount lens line-ups which function beautifully on e-mount cameras. Nearly every lens in existence can be adapted to e-mount cameras.
Sony pro services has been rolled out in Asia and North America last year. I use Canon CPS frequently – I’m less than pleased with their effectiveness (I just sent in a 1d-x for the 5th time and an f60 flash that I just received back a month ago with the same problem) and service in general has been subpar so the bar isn’t exactly high there.
The accessory line up is more exciting than Canon. You can attach an amazing, little XLR adapter to the hot shoe – and it works on a-mount, e-mount, rx AND consumer to pro video cameras. This goes for all the MIS accessories. That’s great.
Third party enthusiasm is growing. The Zeiss Touit and Loxia lenses are exciting (plus Otus will be the best on a future a7r with IBIS than any other camera). Sigma & Tamron a-mount lenses can be adapted and they will get on board with e-mount soon enough. And their are finally 3rd party MIS flashes available.
So yes, it is a good thing that Canon turned to Sony so they can stop wasting time in attempting on their own (and failing) to see impossible.
Here we have a new.’flagship’ sensor for canon wrapped up in 4 year old camera technology. To me, this suggests a knee jerk reaction by canon as opposed to a long term release plan. I suggest that this camera only happened when canon found out that sony had a 50MP sensor in the works and needed to respond urgently. Will be very interesting to see what Sony brings to the table.
Oh “boo-hoo” Sony doesn’t have a “real” flash system. Boo-hoo, Sony doesn’t have enough native lenses. Just stick to your 20th century OVF and flapping mirror technology. Maybe the flapping mirror can dry your tears. The only thing modern about a Canon now seems to come from Sony. I’ll stick with modern,cutting edge technology, EVF/wysiwyg, FF IBIS, lightweight/portable and unparalleled adaptability. Each system has it’s pros and cons. Pick your poison.
“unparalleled adaptaBULLity”
My flash adapter wheel lock is stripped. Just spins and spins.
My e-mount is wigglier with every adapter. Like a fish about to be fried.
My a7R is no more portable than my a900. It’s harder to hold too.
You keep the poison. I want an antidote.
Sell your gear and quit complaining then. My a7r is a pleasure to hold – a photographer learns to adapt. Also, you can purchase a battery grip.
More like, a non-photographer won’t see the problems of non-photographer gadgets.
True that. A non-photographer thinks it’s easy to just “sell your gear and quit complaining”. Never realizing that Sony has disenfranchised a professional either way. Sony has created problems either way. We count on our partners to provide solutions, not problems.
what is a “non-photographer”? Wouldn’t that be someone who does not take pics at all? How many pro photogs are on forums dissing other cameras? I guess a few, but no where near the number of wannabe pros. People still create art with charcoal from the fire pit. Fanbois who hate on cameras are living within a very small world, a very tight box.
Nope, I see the problems with the camera I have; I’m just smart enough to work around them, and not complain on the internet all day.
You stick with your “innovative” toy, we’ll stick with cameras that deliver.
and yet here you are on sony’s rumor site.
Wow, I can only guess that the nice people that I meet have a secret life on Internet boards, where the become authoritive, petty, rude and argumentative. This board just keeps degenerating. I have no idea what companies will stay profitable in this business, but I doubt that any of you know the future.
Exactly, I’m too busy going outside shooting pictures to read all this stuff let alone argue over things we can’t possibly know. In fact, I’m off to shoot some crazy surfers right now, seeyah!
No the size of DSLRs isnt gonna make me switch…i like them compact…also, Canon’s colors have never impressed me.
I have 5D3 with glass from 16 to 400 but nowdays only uses my Sony A7 models, mostly with FE lenses, but even longer Canon ones!
Can’t understand where the fear for Canon mirrorless killing Sony comes from? It will take Canon two years or more to get an “FE” line of lenses to be competetive with Sony. Time is on Sonys side!
Canon and Nikon have done the classic to protect their past. Steve Jobs best move was as he have stated:
“don’t rely on your past glory. Instead, create more glory. If need be, cannibalize yourself…”
Canon and Nikon will only do it by half their heart – I think?
So, you have wasted a 5D3 and you quote Jobs. Aren’t you ashamed?
Shouldn’t this question be the other way round? Canon already dominate the market and Sony has with limited success been trying to close the gap for years
Canon NEEDS to be strong competition for Sony. Sony is currently a strong mirrorless system, but they are getting lazy. Still no fast f/2.8 constant standard zoom for their FE or APS-C line. And where are the compact FE primes? I hope Canon comes in and forces Sony to get up and make things happen.
Remember they’re about to release the new lenses from their last roadmap, so it’s a safe be that we’ll see a new roadmap very soon…
2.8/35: 125g, 1.8/55, coming 2/28 a.o. … what do you need? I heard so many complaingpublic. When you ask, what they will buy, they stay quiet.
I do not think, that too many want expensive, heavy 2.8 standard zoom. Naturally not sharp wide open meeting the requierements of 36 or 50 MPix sensors. Prefer using the really decent primes instead and I am lucky with.
Maybe something that doesn’t cost more than 50% of my FE mount camera and still deliver good image?
I could do that when I was using my 5D MkII, with a lot of fair-to-good lens costing less than 1/4 of what 5D MkII does.
Yes, Sony got a lot going for it, except there’s one big problem, glass… The A mount glass line up is not bad, but downright limited when compared to Canon, and let’s not even talk about FE mount.
I don’t think Sony is even close to being a threat to Canon, not until they can deliver at least 10 new lens per year to fill up those holes in their line up. The only part that is giving Canon a real headache is high performance compacts, which Sony basically nuked Canon.
Sony, just Goddamn deliver all the difference we need for our FE mounts!!!
Canon has been gearing their lenses to handle such high megapixels since 2010 with the 70-200 ii, 24-70 ii, 100L, 16-35, etc…. The 24-70ii and 70-200 ii resolves 18/22 and 21/22 perceivable megapixels according to DXOmark. What will these zooms resolve with a 50mp sensor? Sony’s zeiss 24-70 f/4 and 70-200 resolves 15/36 and 22/36.
Canon has been planning for a megapixel war probably 6-8 years ago and have designed their pro L lenses accordingly.