I just got this….
“New high end A7R MK2 being spoken about at Sony and an announcement in the coming weeks. I know there is rumors about an ‘A9’ and they may be referring to this model, or perhaps there will be two models – or Sony may stick to A7R II as the new model.”
Let’s hope we will finally get the new High Megapixel FE camera!
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Yeah yeah, another super-duper-high MP mirrrorless model.
When will Sony finally release something not intended for the statue-shooting club? 12Mp, super fast AF, fast lenses? A-Mount or FE, but come on! February is 11 days away
Still looking for 12, 36 meg A mount bodies Sony! I have the A77m2 and after trying the A7 and A7r I will never switch to e-mount!
Yes! My fear was that there would be an A9 which was larger; but an A7rII will surely have the form factor of the A7II which is about as large as I want to go. I’d be happy if it stayed at 36MP but don’t mind more — so long as it has EFC!
I would actually prefer an ever-so-slightly larger, more robust body for the A9. Something in-between the size of the A7 series and a pro DSLR. Throw in a fully articulating swivel screen in there as well. I think ultimately a bigger body with a beefier, more ergonomic grip is needed to balance out some of the system’s larger lenses.
That camera is here already it’s called the A99/A77 series!
Nope, looking for something smaller than a traditional DSLR or DSLT. The E mount makes for great space efficiency. They just need a more robust professional body to go with it. The A mount will eventually die out.
You can at least expect a bigger grip, so it would still be somewhat larger.
An A7RII does not need more MP. But it does need IBIS and a shutter that avoids shutter shock.
Yes.
The Image they used suggests no IBIS (since it is the Body of an A7 Camera).
See the differences in the Bodies:
http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/501763023.jpg?mw=1000
Could it possibly come with pdaf or will they stick to a “clean” sensor?
The likelihood of there being both an A9 and an A7R II are slim.
There’s still room in the market, if they could join superior resolution with superior sensitivity as well as a whole lot more processing power for 10fps bursts, advanced tracking, and smooth operation, something like an a7RS(why does this look like Audi) that would end up 50% more expensive than an a7R.
Yes but that doesn’t leave a whole lot of room / point for an A7R II. I don’t think Sony will do R and S models of the A7 II if an A9 is coming (which likely will have R and S variants). The A7 II (but no R or S) is the biggest indicator yet that an A9 is coming, but if an A7R II came out then there is no A9 coming for a fair while.
10fps isn’t a processing issues at this point, its an issue with sensor readout which tops out at about 6fps with the 24MP. Newer sensors though maybe be capable of higher speeds.
I just remembered that a7R is only one year old. Looking at it that way then there really isn’t a point for an a7RII if an a9 is coming soon. but an a9 really should be a solution that solves everything and shouldn’t need R and S variants, the R&D of extra models won’t be covered with small quantities either.
Samsung’s 28mp could do…10 or was it 8 already, 24mp should manage 10?
A6000 already does 11fps and 12fps in the A77 II, Samsung does 15fps. But we are talking FF here.
I assume readout depends on the perimeter of sensors? So FF could only do 40% the burst rate of APSC with 150% the perimeter, meaning the data per pixel is 375% APSC’s??
Honestly don’t know the relationship, smaller = capable of faster. Also current APS-C is about 1 or more generations ahead of FF (slower development due to ROI). Newer FF (next gen) sound like based on current tech.
Even the ancient NEX7 could do 8+, I’d say more than 1 gen…
Should I put the A7r up for sale? Seems like prices drop another 15% or 20% once the replacement has been announced.
If you don´t need it now (or if you have a 2nd body) – Maybe a good move ^^. Though: If you put it on sale as soon as the news / rumors are out, there´s also a high chance to still get good prices (as it takes time until everyone knows about the new upcoming bodies) ^^.
I picked up the A7II just after Xmas & I’m pretty happy with it. Problem now is I just checked my local camera shop where I sell almost all my unwanted gear, and they have 2 second hand A7r’s for sale right now. Maybe I will try Craigslist.
Will it have 50mpix, the new grip and IBIS? if it does price will be interesting!
Given there was an interview recently where Sony stated that IBIS on the A7R was not a priority, then what would it include? Of the credible improvements, having an EFCS is surely the most important to counter the shutter noise and vibration issues.
Having said that IBIS isn’t a priority, I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t be included as the new body has been well received in terms of ergonomics and that bit of extra mass might help with damping any shutter vibration issues. Yes, it’s a bit heavier and bulkier, but in the context of what such a high res camera is typically used for (often on a tripod), it’s surely not too much of an issue.
my 7r paired with 2.8/35 is fine … i don’t need more mp, ibis or whatever. it’ a small and light combo for travling and nice everywhereigo camera. if i really would need a new camera one year later it would be the wrong camera. i see foreward for the 2/28. there ist much room for improvement in new firmware updates to make this camera better and better to control.
I use A7 with the 2.8/35 it ist just fine. No new firmware required. 2/28 is on my wishlist, too.
And mid-term in a 36+ MPix FF cam with hybrid AF.
For this year, I would prefer an A7000 with IBIS in addition to the really good A7.
Any news araound A7000?
@Admin
Has there been SR3 rumors turned out to be true in the past?
An A7r with the A7II build quality and ergonomics, EFCS and without IBIS would be amazing for me. IBIS seems to be detrimental to Dynamic Range.
The nice thing about IBIS is you can turn it off if you like. For me I hope the replacement has it. I did see some Sony promo material lately that stated all E Mount bodies have SteadyShot, so I do believe that is where they are going with this. Also I don’t see why they couldn’t use the same shutter as the A7II on a higher megapixel sensor. The sensor is the same size. Maybe I don’t know enough about the technical aspects, but it would seem to make sense to have only one shutter across the lineup.
How is that possible? Are you saying physical movement raises the noise floor?
IBIS increases the thermal noise but I do not know if this is the reason. All I know is that the original A7 has more than a half stop advantage of dynamic range compared to the A7II.
Well, AF is on-chip and that’s changed, so maybe it’s that, unless you’ve tried it with IBIS off and got back that half stop, then it’s for sure.
Both sensors have the same PDAF, it is only the software that has changed.
54 MP. please! I will buy the day it comes out
Real not compressed 14 bit, nikon style at least, raw files it’s hoped, please.
This is a real concern. It doesn’t hurt to have the option…I wonder if old a900s that some haters praise have 14 bit raw.
sonys a800,a900, a99 all have it true 14 bit raw files only the new a7 series not big bummer it may have to do wiht the bionix z processor and their used algorithms…maybe there are some technical limitations in hardware which prevent them/sony for offering/implementing such an option…usually this could/should be already done quick and dirty via firmware update for the longest time if it is really possible….just speculation thats due to technical/hardware limitations, algorithms/bionix Z processor…
a900 and 850 had 12-bit RAW, with the option of compressed and uncompressed. In testing, there was not a noticeable difference between the two except huge file sizes. So when Sony made the jump to 14-bit RAW in the a99, they dropped the “cRAW” option from the menu and just made the normal RAW compressed to save space. BTW, I can tell you from experience that both RAW and cRAW in the a900 had the same poor gradients in evening/night skies. Whatever that was about, it wasn’t due to the compression. And I doubt returning to an uncompressed format would fix it.
Admin, where are the A7000 rumors ?? thanks.
WOW!!! Another new ‘E’ mount camera. Aren’t we the lucky ones.
Just another small point and shoot for the foodie/street/modeling shooters…in fact as long as the subject moves no faster than granny with a walking frame, it’ll do just fine.
Surely nothing loses value faster than a Sony ‘E’ cam!
WOW!!! Another troll being afraid of the end of his beloved DSLR…
Boring!
No, you should say “What fun!”.
There’s no “end of DSLR’ in sight, not until Sony releases a DSLR-quality mirrorless.
If it does, screw DSLR, A-Mount and Minolta legacy with it!
But at things are at the moment, it really is disappointing that Sony only releases new gadgets for the statue-shooting club.
Somehow some people always think that there are only statues beyond speeding pooches. If a camera can’t shoot speeding pooches, then it could only shoot statues.
Hahaha isn’t that the truth!
You need to actually use a camera before you can make slurs such as “the statue-shooting club”.
I’ll post this again, as you clearly ignored it last time:
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Alpha_A6000/index.shtml#focus
Why support your argument with someone else’s words? Are you so insecure?
LOL, what?
I could have supported my argument with nothing. Is that what you’d prefer?
So, you cannot support your argument with your own experience. Are you a photographer at all? Or just some bloke with time to waste?
Yes, I could. But why bother when there are perfectly good and professional reviews available online?
How much effort do you think I am going to make to prove a troll wrong? That’s right, I’m not.
Which troll? I thought you were the troll, banging on and on with your cheap marketing. I ignored you are such an accomplished photographer, full of experience.
You troll, clearly. Not a very skilled one.
You gonna teach me how to troll? And stop eating that junk, it’ll give you an awful breath.
a7’s are currently unuseable without a working flash system, for professionals
Who mentioned anything about the flash system?
“end of his beloved DSLR” I think I was replying to the argument in general and not a straw man
Bring A6000 AF (or better because it’s far from perfect) in A7 new model please !
Nobody buys a body in hopes that it retains value. On the other hand, Sony should take a page from Fuji’s book if it wants its lenses to retain value.
By releasing different bodies around the same components time and time again, but with ‘new’ buggy firmware that needs loads of fixes even though its more or less the same hardware? great!
Losing value is no concern for you as a user. Noone tells you to buy the new model.
Now for the “small point and shoot” and “granny AF”-crap you say: the A7 might not be for you, if you shoot formula one races or wildlife, but I bet you are barely using your camera and are just trolling, so go out and shoot the f@ck up.
WOW!!! Another troll who has clearly never used the equipment he is ranting about!
Don’t forget the “landscape” and “architectural” shooters, which are two very dumb photog categories, widely acknowledged in the web and, ca va sans dire, totally pointless. Both focus on statues, brick walls and their own keyboards.
What’s a non-dumb photography category? Sports photography? Automotive racing photography? Atom photography at CERN? Are those subjects moving fast enough for you to take seriously? Or are you just bitter that no one likes your pictures?
All photography categories are dumb. As an ignorant amateur, you cannot know that. And you make us laugh, carry on.
Agh it makes sense now, you must be an imbecile.
No kid, that is not funny. You need to be polite to adults.
Bad arguments… I prefer a camera which allow me all kind of photography than a camera (with bad AF) that can’t to everything…
Photographers who worry about the resale value of their cameras are called collectors.
Aka people with a brain. Most people don’t want to buy something and the next week it can be bought for half the price. Who’d have thunk it? Seriously
Still hoping for the a9…a7RII doesn’t sound like it’s getting an improved shutter, no matter noise-wise or function wise(EFC), nor an improved sensor with base ISO64 like D810’s.
You got all that from this rumour?
Um, no, but the naming suggests that it shouldn’t be such a big upgrade. The shutter and sensor on a7II remained the same anyway.
Some would argue the A7 II was a big upgrade. IBIS for one, plus other improvements to build quality, AF and ergonomics. There wasn’t much wrong with the old shutter and Sony improved the sensor in one sense, as it no longer suffers from reflections.
There is nothing to suggest that Sony can’t add EFCS to an improved A7R (or A9), and that automatically halves the noise issue.
Doesn’t the A7R have base ISO 50?
You’ve got a point, a7RII may get a different set of upgrades. But I don’t agree that EFC would half the shutter noise, it’s a really loud shutter, and I don’t think making the noise half as long would really decrease the attention it attracts by half.
I remember the base ISO to be 100 but I’m not completely sure…
iso 50 is only the extended……not really base….
Extended or not, it’s usually not a problem on these sensors, as DR is usually higher than ISO 100.
This conversation might be moot anyway. I’m not sure now about the A7R. The Sony UK site says it has ISO 50, but DXOMark and dpreview both indicate ISO 100.
I have an A7R in my hands at the moment, and it indeed does have below base ISO of 50, 64, & 80 (the so-called “expanded” ISO range on this camera.)
The refined handling and ibis definitely count as a major upgrade in my book
yeah one evidence for your assumption could be also the update after only one year and shortly after the a7II announcement/release!
I believe only minor improvements as you do…..
Next will be A7sII…;)
Major improvements will come with Sony A8 and /or A9 model….best hybrid af, tracking in mirrorless world, much better battery, dual sd card slot uhs II, worlds best evf, 4k ….
I partially agree on your points but sometimes our wishes/requests are not always technical possible in reality sadly so….vote for incremental/ minor update/improvements but hope for major…..
My own specualtion is that they will launch an minor/incremental update of the A7r…., design /ergonomics & video improvements of A7II + EFC, faster fps 1-2 shots, more silent shutter (doubt it will be completley silent as 7s electronical one!) ….
if we are luckier: also IBIS, full silent shutter like the a7s!
if we are the luckiest: 14 bit uncompressed raw option, one “touch button” for selecting/changing focus points these two could be done alswo via firmware updates… better evf magnification /less shutter lag with split screen like xt1 /af with better tracking etc, different crop modes 5:4, 1.2, 1.5 like the d800/d810, split screen mode, increasing exposure compensation to +5/-5 although the dial has to be made new only 3 are possible so far…
But I think an A8 and/or an A9 with 46-54 will come in the future maybe one in the Summer which will offer some of the mentioned/missing features named in the third paragraph… including dual sd card slot UHS-II…
An A7rII with the autofocus of an a6000, 4k output, improved shutter, better weather sealing (even it that means getting rid of NfC/wireless/gps), in my book would be considered a pro camera. I honestly think SONY should hold off on the A9 until they get more lenses and a stronger following. I see the “mocking birds” now, if the A9 flagship camera is released and it has glaring flaws… Unlike a new mediocre Canikon, it will be ripped apart.
Sony should focus on innovative firmware upgrades on exsisting bodies, and MORE LENSES!!!
Even if they stuff it with features, it will have major flaws because this has been Sony’s history after the A900. You feel free to have it crossed as “pro” in your own book.
agree, the lenses is coming see roadmap. http://www.ephotozine.com/article/sony-lens-roadmap-2015-plus-new-fe-full-frame-lenses-26187
The shutter is to load. I do hope that electronic shutter as Fuji have, will come?!
And the little selection wheel could be bigger for choising AF-point!
Maybe Sony comes with a7rII and late in summer with a new a9!
I use the shutter speed/aperture dials to select the autofocus point. Works better than the wheel imo or a dial.
To be honest an a7r with the a77ii’s af would be a huge upgrade…
Honestly The A77m2/99 with the 36meg sensor would be a even bigger upgrade!
Don’t forget to add a second card slot!
2nd card slot is not a big deal for me. Why do you need an extra one? You can buy a 128GB card, and drain 6-7 batteries with it.
Redundancy obviously
For back up purposes!
Why Sony so rushed to shoot as a machine gun new FF BODIES month by month without sufficient LENSES, even year by year?!
despite another 4 releases within the next few months and more so by the
end of the year, having Samyang announcing a host of E mount lenses not forgetting adapters and third party lenses, the same old rhetoric again and again! ….. InSuFFicient lenses! 😉
Sony was caught unaware of the success of the FE cameras and are now boosting efforts to meet the demands. to help those with first world issues….. For me, 4 weddings during December with one A7r, zeiss 55 , 70-200 and now my recent 16-35 is all i needed and will ever need..
Likewise the 35/2.8, 55/1.8 and 90/2.8 are all I’ll need for the travel and macro I do.
Agree…i would prefer the zeiss 25 2.0 af or the 28 2 fe instead of the 35 2.8…due to larger aperture and the wider the better esp. for landscapes and if you can crop due to 36 mpx….but there are not out yet….and the 90 would ideally be a 100 or 105…;)
Possibly because they’ve made a technological leap forwards and want to pass it on to customers? There’s no pressure for you to upgrade, assuming you actually own a Sony camera
There are ton of pro photographers with ton of great lenses from Canikon, Sony approach is to make use their lenses on FE bodies. and definitely you just cannot to ask them uses their lenses on A6000 or A7II, sound quite silly! So this PRO and Niche FE will deliver all what they and current FE users want.
Its so hot in here ;)…..the heat is on;)…..
True or dare?
With all respects, I didn’t ask you or any other one to use any lens on any body. But your answer already exists in your reply, you can now use tons of CaNikon great lenses, because they release them years ago, why Sony doesn’t do the same?
I know myself I can use CaNikon, Samyang, … lenses, my question was about Sony policy for manufacturing few “NATIVE FE LENSES” which can benefit from features like fast Auto Focus, ADI Flash Metering …
Some of us are waiting for new lenses and some for new bodies, no offense each other.
Yep.. the number of lenses are not too many but.. how many lenses or which lenses do you need?
People always bring up specialty lenses, like tilt-shift.
Sony never produced a tilt-shift lens for A-mount and I don’t think they will develop one for E-mount either. But you can buy Samyang 24mm f/3.5, Zenitar 50mm f/2, Lensbaby or Arsat tilt-shift lenses today.
Or any of the Canon or Nikon ones (plus others) as none are AF anyway.
Yes but ignorant people will continue to complain.
Lenses take years to make, bodies don’t take that long at all.
Pro level camera NEEDS uncompressed raw. Why do Sony persist in doing stupid things like this when they’re so easy to fix and so obvious?
As already mentioned below….
“sonys a800,a900, a99 all have it true 14 bit raw files only the new a7
series not big bummer it may have to do wiht the bionix z processor and
their used algorithms…maybe there are some technical limitations in
hardware which prevent them/sony for offering/implementing such an
option…usually this could/should be already done quick and dirty via
firmware update for the longest time if it is really possible….just
my own speculation thats due to technical/hardware limitations,
algorithms/bionix Z processor…”
A850 & A900 actually do not offer 14-bit, but 12-bit both uncompressed and compressed. Only the A99 offers true 14-bit, but that is only in single shot mode. If you shoot in continuous it steps down to 12-bit.
Honestly, however, there is actually no visible difference between 12-bit & 14-bit images. The advantages of 14-bit lies in extra information to push and pull with for heavy post processing.
The A99 was a major upgrade in terms of dynamic range, clean high ISO & such, but the A900 color was a bit richer I feel & delivered some of the best color I’ve seen in a digital camera. Glad I still own both bodies.
Thanks for clarification ! I was wrong….but the A99 at least;…..;)!
There is a visible difference, with the right equipment
People, it seems no one is getting the fact that putting IBIS in A7R migh completely remedy the shutter shock problem. Adding weight, getting IBIS and getting rid of the blurry photos all at once? That would be great.
That could happen, as well as taking multiple pictures with minor (pixel grade) sensor shift to increase resolution, and mechanical AA like Pentax.
It could potentially make it worse, depending on how the IBIS works. For example it could shake the sensor if it’s on a floating point. If the shutter is separate to the IBIS assembly then it could make it better
I am so happy in two weeks i will know if my Nikon gear will be sold…..
@Admin please be as fast as possible 😉 just for me….
we are already two my friend…;)
what is your main consideration? IBIS? Weight? features?
weight, ibis, mirrorless, 4k, focus peaking, bluetooth, nfc…..
simply said innovations and better customer feedback/relations what the users really want…..what canikon dont think they need due to the fact they are thinking that they are to big to fail (maybe true for canon but for nikon???), we have to many users with lots of lenses wont ever switch due to financial loss, we dont have to be innovative we are the untouchable leaders but i think they are proven wrong, even if they implement some new/missing features they are so unbelievable slow of delivering and implementing them such as wifi, wireless remote controls via apps, zebra stripes etc….and if they bring it then have a look at nikons wireless utility mobility app..was this made by an intern???, the d750 was claimed to have usb 3.0 port, in relaity it has only usb 2.0, the wifi built in the d750 is a/b/g standard the n standard is already out for years, there is already the ac standard, the 5500 got touchscreen but for this the gps was dumped….and let alone NFC, Bluetooth 4.0, 4K and focus peaking which are another features which
should have already been implemented ….focus peaking at least in the
D810 and D750 advertised as the latter for videopgraphers and the former
as masterpiece of equipment for pros…this strategy will fail i guess and i hope so too would be unfair if they could be succesful with such a bad behaviour…you can understand the manufacturers they want to use old parts /standard longer in order to decrease production costs, increasing the profit margins due to the outdared internal parts are getting cheaper and cheaper or they have so many left in the warehouses to be used….and of course they could use the new standards within their strategy of incremental/minor improvements every year..SUCH A FEATURE ON OUR NEW MODEL IT OFFERS YOU NOW USB 3.0 and WIFI N standard etc.. you know what i mean…not a real new feature/ innovation should be built in for years as it its out there for years as a standard….additionally they expand/extend their time for R&D because often they dont spend
enough money on this department and it is one of the most expensive
ones if not the most….one company do this strategy more than others (lack of innovations, built in new standards/ports)…..all do this in order to economical/finacial reasons…stock exchange/holders roi(c), earinings, profit margins etc.
To summarize it in one sentences from Steve J. which is so utterly true:
“Innovations distinguish between leaders and followers…..”
Nikon and Canon think this sentence is not true or at least for them…
This recall me the history of Nokia which used to be world no.1 mobile manufacturer. Hope to see this rumor turn out for everyone. Chill 😀
The issue here, as with all Sony new releases, is if they give everything to everyone then it would kill their other models stone dead. Of course, if they limit all the bells and whistles, there are howls of anguish, both from those who feel frustrated and those who debate whether an upgrade is worthwhile.
I’d love a camera with A7r resolution, full RAW, IBIS, better handling even than either A7 body, touch screen, and focus faster and more accurate than a Canon 1DMkIV, but I can’t see it happening. Even if it did, the price would be in the £5000 plus range and make it a non-starter!
I’ve said it before, I wouldn’t want to be in Sony’s development team shoes…
there are a lot of people out there woh would easily spend 4000 us dollars or euros or up to 4500 if you would get the perfect camera with all possible technical features/connectivity/wireless standards and ports state of the art…
But two questions are remaining and has to be answered:
1. Is such a camera already possible?
2. If really so, would any manufacturer think and even built such a camera?
95-99% of the technical things/features are already possible but they dont want it….more cameras (still quantitiy matters rather than quality or entry/mid models due to sale numbers are having bigger impact and be more important to them than the high quality/pro cams despite higher profit margins of the latter) more different models for different purposes, so peaople have to buy more than just one model and incremental updates/minor improvements lead to the fact that a lot of users always upgrade or at least in the past……
the d810 with its features comes close to the perfect camera put this camera without mirror in the sony a7II body, maybe slightly bigger is needed for all this stuff with ibis, durable battery of dslr, internal flash, new hybrid pdaf with performance of the d810 or even the canon 7d mark II for full frame, 4k internal recording, dual sd slot uhs II /evf and focus peaking of fuji xt1 with split screen magnification, wifi ac standard, gps, full articulating screen, 14 bit uncompressed raw option, af point selection(changing like canons, touchscreen, 15fps of samsung nx1…anything left guys???
And you could built such a camera i beleive at least as i mentioned 95 to 99% but they would not want such a camera to be built and released in reality…maybe in the lab as a showroom camera just for showing what would be possible or is already possible… we our company are capable of building/engineering…
You could easily charge 5000 euro for such a camera and it would be selling like hotcakes….but nobody would buy a new /another camera for the next 5-10 years……thats not what the camera manufacturers really wanting….
Its already the case that the sales are decreasing/declining the people dont buy new cameras…because of SUFFICIENTCY….a lot of dont need more resolution, features etc…if so it has to be something major ground breaking features innovations e.g. Mirrorless, IBIS on FullFrame, fullframe 4 k internal recording in a sony a7 body etc..
My 2 cents…
Its so true….beside the trolls some wise men left….luckily….;)
In a nutshell, that is basically the point I was making. The manufacturers can likely do it, but the consequences would mean they won’t.
Sony seems to be trying to walk the wire and doing the best job out of all the camera companies. Let’s hope they don’t wobble!
I agree everybody is waiting on the “endgame” which results in already sales decline….
And this is why non-pro people are buying less and less cameras: if it has to be a compromise anyhow, better stick to the Iphone, which at least is something you already have (and now with 8mp is not that bad either).
If camera makers want to regain at least the whole amateur market they’d better stop stripping down their cameras of important features.
If this is just single source rumor, just take it a grain of salt unless multiple sources point at the same rumor 😀
multiple sources (3 at last) is Admin’s modus operandi for SR5 but then people will be complaining about the lack of rumors and why no rumors under level 5 are published.
My dream came true. 36Mpx and IBIS.
Wow, somebody happy on SAR comments section. Congrats !!!!
Will these new cameras be backside illuminated Exmor R
We have been told they will still be bayer and not new technology sensor.
Exmor R has been used for small sensors, such as cybershot, where higher resolution takes advantage of bsi that excells at smaller pixels with increased light sensirivity.
Perhaps they are now going to scale up bsi to apsc and ff.
Samsung has already beat Sony to it…thier new mirrorlesscamera has a 28mp backside illuminated apsc sensor.
I am also of course hoping Sony will be smart enough to update the laea4 adaptor to current faster focus speeds and better tracking, as well as extend the tech to Canon and Nikon versions.
The slt adapter could possibly even be made to function in cunjunction with the on sensor AF for an even better focus system.
“Samsung has already beat Sony to it…thier new mirrorlesscamera has a 28mp backside illuminated apsc sensor.”
Without any real advantage over Sony’s current sensors.
The typical novice consumer looks at features/specs/price and the smarter ones even read a few reviews.
The camera has plenty of good reviews, and based solely on the novice oriented criteria I have listed Samsing to be a good choice.
Yes I agree there is a huge quality difference..but Samsung will continually close the gap and once again
and unless Sony handles this better than thier tv division did they wont know what hit them.
With laea4 technolgy Sony could if they wanted to develope Canon and Nikon to E mount versions.
I have previosly pointed out how this universal compatability could help them compete against Canikon when they enter the market, but mayby more importantly it will help them compete against competitors like Samsung who can emerge from nowhere and become serios competition.
just give up with the canikon adapters and full compatability with sony.
Two words for you……PATENT INFRINGEMENT.
this is never going to happen so stop wishing for it, stop whining for it and stop repeating yourself because it just isn’t happening.
Metabones makes Canon AF adapter. Which patents were infringed? Besides, EF is 30 years old, Nikon F is even older, all possible patents are long expired.
Metabones is a relatively small manufacturer, independant from Sony.
I’m pretty sure Canon and Nikon who are largely dependant of captive (by lenses) users won’t let Sony make an adapter… (but I wish it’d happen)
Sony will not make an adapter themselves, because they use Gillette model, where they sell bodies at reasonable prices ($1700 is about the same as comparable 6D and D610), but grossly overprice their lenses (for example, 55/1.8 is about 11 times more than Canon 50/1.8 of admittedly poor optical quality and 6 times more than Nikon 50/1.8 of comparable quality and features). But NOTHING can legally prevent anybody, even a small company like Metabones, which cannot afford legal defense against Canon or Nikon, from making the adapters, so they are made.
Although Sony themselves could not make OSPDAF work with their own PDAF-oriented lenses, unlike Olympus with E-M1, so they only make very expensive and ungainly LAEA4.
How many hundreds of times did you guys tell me forget about Ibis on E mount, and its never going to happen , and its not possible, and stop repeating myself over and over again…I did not follow rhat advice and will not follow this advice now…full compatability can be achieved and eventually will be…when and how I cannot say.
I also refused to take your similar advice and stop asking for higher resolution.
No one ever achieved anything by listening to the cant be dunner’s like yourself.
Do we know that? Who has done real testing of this new Samsung sensor? I have not seen any reliable reviews online yet. DXO is notoriously slow at reviewing anything that is not Canon/Nikon or lately Sony products.
Anecdotal stories I have read from real owners say the AF is pretty d good. And even if the noise IQ and DR are just on par with Sony – there is still a resolution advantage. I am curious about this new sensor. And now it is available in a cheaper body from Samsung. Hopefully someone reviews this sensor soon.
My gut tells me that many reviews are waiting on this big firmware update from Samsung to do any real testing.
“Samsung has already beat Sony to it…”
You sound like a little boy playing “who has the biggest”.
the main goal in industry is to make money, not to impress the opponent.
regarding your Canikon adapters it will never happen. Yes Novoflex and the other does reverse engineering but it doesn’t mean it’s legal. It’s just Canikon and the others who tolerate it because it open a marginal market.
It’s an another story for Sony, because it means that they could grow market share by directly taking advantage of Canikon ressources. If such thing happens you could be sure that Canikon will sue for AF patent infrigment and Sony will loose a bunch of money.
AF ‘speed’ is not the issue with the LA-EA4, it is the lack of AF points mostly. Even tracking isn’t bad on it, but again lack of point coverage is its downfall.
I don’t think the PDAF on sensor really made much of a difference with the A99 which only had it because they didn’t have a new AF sensor.
But speed in the current adapter is quite good.
Admin,
Any whisperings about the A9 having two card slots? I know it’s a little specific, but without it, I can never really switch completely to E-mount.
Thanks!
Sean
The only source who sae the camera yet doens’t make me the favour to spill out details yet 🙂
The new 256GB SD cards can’t satisfy you?
It is not about card size. It is about better reliability by recording to both cards simultaneously.
Well, I’ve never had one card fail on me yet.
It only takes one time to lose an entire wedding, and I care too much about my clients and my business to risk it. But, I know what you’re saying — good card management can go a long way.
Sean you can use one 16GB card, and carry 4 other in your pocket. Still, I don’t think that you’d be able to fill one card without changing the batteries first, so I think you need 2 battery slots instead of 2 memory slots first 🙂
It’s not about filling two cards with double the amount of photos, it’s about writing one set of photos on both cards simultaneously – for redundancy.
Ah, they are still producing 16gb cards? Thought everybody had already moved to 64gb+. Anyhow it’s preatty clear that the reason is not space on the card, but having an immediate back-up in case the card fails.
You can add a battery grip. Can you add an additional slot attachment?
Sean, I totally agree with you.
No disrespect, but if anyone doesn’t know the importance of dual card
slots, they’re not a professional. I will never even consider working
with an E-mount body for professional work because of this. Simply not
worth the risk.
If anyone on here is a serious professional, get an A99. Simple as that. True 14-bit, way better lens line-up, superior auto focus and proven reliability.
Get an E-mount ILC for vacation & street photography.
Concern troll.
You only shoot a wedding with one camera? That can fail just as easily as a card.
Haha, no. I just meant if you’re using a 256GB card like someone was saying, you could lose an entire wedding. But touche, that might have been an extreme example.
And you could get run over by a car crossing the street, two card slots won’t save you.
What a fortunate name you have.
Perfect solution fallacy
I’ve never lost images from client shoot either, however my friends have. And those were top of the line genuine SanDisk and Lexar cards.
Of course good card management and shooting with multiple cameras would help limit the amount of lost images in case of card failure.
But, are you ever willing to tell your client that some of the images have been lost? Are you willing to get sued over this? Are you willing to get dragged into negative publicity?
Card failure is not a matter of IF, but rather a matter of WHEN!
Four CF cards failed on me in 2014 and two eye-fi sd cards broke.
Your full of $hit.
I don’t care if an anonymous idiot does not believe me. I know that my redundancy practices have spared me image loss and client loss.
It must not exist then
Skuja is right on. It’s not about storage space. Shooting weddings on one memory card is really irresponsible. Even using my A7s as a secondary camera, I’m constantly terrified of a file corruption, or somehow misplacing a card during the chaos of a wedding.
It’s for redundancy not size.
Two cards is really important for shooting weddings and other events where re-shooting is not an option.
If that is A9, it will have two slots, as it would be stupid to release that kind of a camera without them. If it is A7rII (aimed more at landscape, studio and enthusiasts), they will probably only include one slot to save on size, just like current A7 family.
I am really hoping for A9 with two card slots, faster AF and great ergonomics. If single high resolution version would compromise speed too much (say below 5-6fps), make a lower resolution with higher speed.
Does the camera you use now have two card slots? If so which model is it.
A99s which have them, A850 as a backup which does not.
How is this relevant to the existing real need for in-camera backup?
Why did you buy the A850 if it doesn’t have two card slots?
easy one if a real a9 is coming two SD card slots UHS-II otherwise its failed and big bummer….full stop
I know! Two card slots was the smartest thing ever. It shut up all those f*cktards who are always bashing large memory cards saying it’s wayyyyyy better to have several small cards, in case one fails. (roll eyes) Yeah right… why don’t you just have 4,000 – 32MB cards instead of a 128GB. Because it’s stupid that’s why. RAID 1 was perfec and genius. Sony should have this on ALL of their mid to high range cameras, period.
Make it three card slots, just for the card slot trolls.
In RAID 5 😉
Dual card slots is necessary for many professionals, I cannot rely on a single slot camera for my main shooting work.
Does your camera have tow card slots?
Seems like every time I take a shit… Sony is releasing yet another body.
Sony frantically pumping out bodies is why this rumor site is so damned good. That and trolls like HULKsmash
…….I read that wrongly……had to make a double take……damn I’m wasted…..mentally
@SAR_Admin
So the press conference announcements will be hold on monday the 2 february??
As you mentioned two weeks from now….??
Noisless iso and you can have both of my cats.
Absurd… then you will have nothing left to photograph.
Nice
there’s always the dog and the ol’ ball and chains butt.
What exactly is this SR3 (50% accuracy) rumor? That something, either a A7ii and/or A9 is coming within the next few weeks?
But admin previously posted:
“All we know with 99% certainty is that Sony has a new FE FF camera on the pipeline which will be the first of its line and placed above the current A7 camera series. It’s likely to come during the first half of 2015.”
And in early December, admin posted:
“The Sony A9 is still scheduled for an early 2015 launch (likely February?).”
And in November, SR5, admin posted:
” SR5: The A7II is not the “PRO” FE camera. The PRO FE camera is likely to be named A9 and will be announced and hit the stores the first half of 2015. And it has a new generation sensor!”
And in November,
“One more thing about the new E-mount PRO FF camera coming in late January or early February. I have been told by trusted sources this camera will not be a A7/s/r replacement! It will be the first of a new line. The sources didn’t share the name of the camera but it’s highly likely this camera will be named “Sony A9“.
The camera will cost more than the current A7 models. I also have been told the Sony A7s will also see a first smaller price drop before the A9 announcement.”
And if you go back further, lots of SR5, 99% certainty, that high megapixel pro fullframe E-mount was coming in early 2015..
So with this same basic rumor being repeated over and over, has it dropped from being a SR5 99% certainty, to now only being a 50% certainty? Is admin backing away from the November/December 99% certainty rumors of the pro FF camera really coming in late January/early February?
I like this site, and I mostly think Andrea does a great job providing lots of information. But there is a bad tendency to over-rate too many rumors as SR5, and then backtracking later on.
Concern Troll.
SR5 that it will be announced sometime in the 1H of 2015, SR3 that it will be announced in just 2 weeks. I don’t understand what your 7 paragraphs of confusion are?
No, it was SR5 that it would be January/February.. then it switched to SR5 first half, then it switched to SR3 “within the next 3 weeks”… So went from a certainty, to a probably, to a maybe.
So far, Sony has introduced one camera/one innovation. Clearly, the next step will be higher resolution. If this is an a7rII I’m expecting three improvements, less shutter shock, ibis, higher resolution. If A9 then add DSLR body shape, dual card slots, uncompressed raw, larger EVF with better eye relief, weatherproofing, high resolution, faster speed and DSLR pro level autofocus. Lastly, E and A mount compatibility. That is what they need to compete with new offerings from Canon and Nikon. I hope for an A9 , but an A7II would sure be much more in keeping with what we have seen in the past.
Let’s not forget dual card slots !
the A9 should be full frame, 36mp, A-mount, mirrorless with ibis, quiet shutter and NO video!
Just a wild stab in the dark but then it should be a A99 not a A9, you know… as in A7 / A9 and it has to have 4K video, shoot uncompressed raw on micro SD hahaha…
I feel you with the no video comment but video means more people buy the camera which means a lower price
One camera missing from the Ax series is a high frame rate / fast AF body. Maybe Sony wants you to buy the A99 for this purpose, but it is clear that people are gravitating to these Ax bodies and that is where the FF future is for Sony. So, that being said – Sony give us a sports version of the Ax series body.
I am sure they are working on porting their fast on-sensor PD-AF technology from the APSC A6000 sensor to their full frame sensor.
It just takes time, this is engineering and it needs to take in account physics laws, this often requires a lot of building, testing, failing and sometimes breakthroughs in manufacturing techniques to be made.
E-mount because it is a universal mount. All that Sony needs to do is to make on-sensor AF compatible with the A-mount lenses. This is the only missing piece to achieve victory.
STOOPPP TEASING US! *throws money at the monitor but nothing is happening*
A7RII will probably just have additional IBIS and air bag for the shutter shock issue.
I hope the A9 will have new generation full frame sensor w/ on sensor AF that can take advantage of the A-mount lenses w/o having the SLT in the adapter. The updated the Zeiss 24-70 2.8 is going to be compatible with the A9 and it will be fast. I hope it will stay at 24MP w/ a 46MP variant for resolution and an 18MP for low-light.
If an on sensor AF for A-mount lens is not possible I hope the new LAEA adapter will have the same wide spread AF like the A77II.
*throws money at the monitor but nothing is happening*
Ha, ha, this was a good one 🙂
Yeah, really good one. After years of wandering around the internet this joke finally arrived at sonyalpharumors. *omg
Most awesome thing would be a new a7s (a9s or a7sII) with the new 50+ mp sensor used to make a 20+ mp camera with extremely low noise on high iso.
@SAR_Admin:disqus Any APS-C news pending?
A7000 is on the way to compete with the Samsung NX1
The same sensor as the A6000 with additional 4K capability but this time it will have a mic input and vertical grip attachment.
4K internal in H.265 I believe because a 100MB XAVCS 4K internal will just be too much for the processor to process.
It will also have ibis and a global shutter, weather sealing 4D AF, comes with a free kilo of gold and diamonds.
And an overnight stay at a 5 star hotel with a lady of the night and free continental breakfast.
OMG that’s sexist! you think ladies of the night are only to be found in 5 star hotels?!?
I hope they will not compete with Samsung, because at the moment Samsung is nobody in the photography industry.
Yes Samsung made an APSC camera with a very powerful processor, but its price is double of what it should be and I don’t expect them to be gaining a lot of market with the NX1. There has been a lot of noise around it before Christmas due to paid marketing, but thats it.
LOL Sony can’t let Samsung get away this time. Sony should put the crosshair on Samsung 99% of the time.
Remember what happened when Sony let Samsung run rampant in the HDTV market? That’s right! Sony lost the HDTV war.
Sony A7000 should outperform in features the NX1 because Samsung is trying to be sneaky again. Sony should smash the NX1 like a bug this year and never let it grab a market share in mirrorless category.
Hopefully the A7000 will be at least be announced at CP+ or I will be getting the A6000 I sold all my canon gear.. And my Son starts soccer in a couple months cant miss those pics 🙂
TV market is somewhat different from system camera market. You’re not investing in just one unit, you benefit from the previous investment base when changing one element. That stabilizes the market significantly.
Yes, I think this is much more difficult market than TVs, vacuum cleaners, washing machines and even mobile phones.
Its much more conservative, people build up systems, get used to certain ergonomics and don’t change easily. They can succeed if they are prepared to pour 5-10 billion/year for 5-10 years before they become profitable.
Several strategic factors helped Sony into the business:
– they took over Minolta, with their huge history, both in body and lens design, and established customer base;
– Sony managed to develop outstanding sensor technology, supplying companies like Nikon and Pentax, and now becomes even the biggest medium frame sensor manufacturer supplying latest sensors for Hasselblad, PhaseOne and Pentax;
– Sony is one of the big shareholders of Zeiss and heave been receiving huge support form Zeiss on the optical side, both in interchangeable lens systems and the fixed RX cameras.
Your argument about Sony acquiring Minolta and getting an easy start and for Sony being the largest sensor supplier to big companies does not mean anything to mirrorless market. Sony should maintain its lead and defend it at all cost. Never ever let any mirrorless manufacturer come close especially Samsung because it will be a scary thing if Samsung decided to drop their prices like what they did on their HDTV strategy in the past. They broke down Sony with their cheap HDTVs and Sony just can’t compete with it.
Minolta is A-mount and it has nothing to do with mirrorless market. Minolta-Sony mount can’t even compete with Canon and Nikon in lens market this is why of their effort is going towards their new video mount, the E- mount system.
I agree with the Zeiss-Sony partnership and it is the strongest and the most effective so far in this business. Zeiss is one of the biggest driving force why so many photographers using Sony.
Never under estimate Samsung. Never ignore Samsung. Stay friends with Nikon, Pentax, Hassy, PhaseOne and all other camera manufacturers that use Sony sensors but put your crosshair on Samsung.
Argghhhh! Just about to buy an A7s, do I go for it or wait another couple of weeks and see if the A9 is announced? Sometimes I hate how well informed Sony Alpha Rumors is. Hard to put good money down when theres a good chance you’d be better off waiting a couple of weeks, Ignorance is bliss.
Have you heard of 30/60 days return policy?
Dosent this tend to only work if the item is either unused or faulty?
I returned my D800E for the D810 and I simply told them I wanted the newer version.
I will sell the D810 for the A9. I’m loving my a6000 and I always take it with me now. My D810 is now at home waiting to be replaced lol
The photos taken with cameras greater than 6 months old do not self-destruct.
You’ll regret it. I doubt Sony will fix all of the issues they have. Nikon D810 is a professional working camera today and for the next few years it will be more than adequate.
By definition Sony cameras are a faulty product. An attorney might go so far as to say fraudulent.
You know I get the feeling your comments have a slight hint of bias.
Or ‘restocking fee’
I think you’re crazy not to wait. If it’s that important, rent one
Yep, what Bob said.
It depends on what you are waiting for… The A9 won’t have the ISO sensitivity of the a7s, not with the amount of megapickles. In Addition, 40+ MP isn’t necessary for videography, so It will be a camera mainly for stills.
We don’t know if the new A9 sensor will use the whole sensor to record video, or pixel binning (one of the main reasons why a7s video looks so clean, not performance high ISO)
I own an A7S and love it. I love taking stills with it as well. I shoot mainly humans with most of my workflow in Lightroom, so I don’t need massive amounts of pixels for super high end edits (not that I, or 12mp is incapable…more MPs are better in this regard, that’s why many high fashion photographers shoot with medium format).
I’ve printed 20×30 on both glossy and luster just fine and it looks great!! I’m sure I could go larger for portraits. you have to take into consideration viewing distance and how much resolution is actually required. Are you going to be standing 5 feet or 5 inches away from your print? I’ve seen art snobs in galleries have their noses on prints.
Just sharing my opinion, and not trying to sell you a product. I do recommend renting the A7S with the kit lens (SEL2870) and the 55mm and seeing for yourself, and finding out what works for YOU!!!
Best of luck on your decision.
I want rubber seals against rain.
36mpix sensor.
Shutter shock issue fixed and quieter shutter.
If these are fixed, I’ll buy one.
I don’t care too much about IBIS, I think I’d prefer a smaller body but IBIS would be awesome at times. I’d also like GPS. And a wifi flash in the upcoming future… GPS sensors are small. Come on sony you can do it 🙂
If a pop up flash is implemented because of stupid negative reviews, I won’t buy it. They’re a rain magnet and destroy cameras. The quality of light is unuseable
Killing seals dead is not going to stop the rain man!
I said seal not harbour seal
So Bob how are the autism pills? Still not working?
There’s no such thing as an “autism” pill. http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/autism-and-asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/what-is-autism.aspx
Oh don’t worry this comment section made that pretty clear months ago.
I don’t get why you’re using ableism as a method of speech. Whatever if it makes you feel better I guess but I think your sense of humour is terrible
Thats ok, I don’t think you have a sense of humor and don’t understand what is or isn’t a joke. And that is ok, you can’t help it you where born with autism, either that or your german.
I realised the joke about seals, I just don’t find it funny; you’re not funny
And you wonder why the autism jokes hehehe. ‘you’re not funny’ says the man with the harbour seal joke as his best comeback. Don’t worry bob, i’m not here looking for a new BFF, just stick to commenting on what you understand because you do make sensible points. If you want to reply to every post that’s not funny you need another 30 hours a day.
I didn’t make a joke. When you said “killing seals dead” I thought you were talking about harbour seals, aka the sea creature as opposed to a rubber seal. I showed my friend (non autistic friend) and they interpreted it the same. They just said “It seems like the sort of thing a teenager would say”.
I’m not someone that cares too much about grammar, for example the fact you said “your” instead of “you’re” and “where” instead of “were” doesn’t really matter too much. I can read that sentence fine. However, occasionally it helps to be able to express yourself properly.
I think everyone has a sense of humour, but different crowds are amused by different senses of humour. For people with an IQ above 100, they tend to be amused by me. Your autism “jokes” aren’t funny. It’s like laughing at someone with one leg or a blind person, this kind of humour appeals to children. I think you’re confusing autism with aspergers which is an ASD (sky blue, blue sky). Again, your ignorance is killing your “jokes”.
“just stick to commenting on what you understand”
You replied to me…
” If you want to reply to every post that’s not funny you need another 30 hours a day.”
I type 135wpm.
Perhaps if you were a little brighter you could express yourself better
haha you really went for it, that’s cute. Hey you got me, english is only as good as the spell checker, it’s my third language. But it says a lot about you you don’t have the mental agility to think outside the little box you are in. Which is why I will now baptise you autistic bob. hi A-bob, you can call me sir, or funny guy, I’m one of those people who is a real life artist for a living, yes I know, amazing! I play with everything, including words, and you either get the fun part or you don’t.
I’m not surprised you have friends without a sense of humour or a sense of fun. It would be a nightmare for you if they where funny I’m sure. You do make my day by actually checking with someone else to be sure. Teenager, well I guess you are close to one or you would understand a lot more about life the universe and everything, still explaining everything with rules. How insecure you must be. Don’t worry it will fade when you get to my age. You might even learn to play with words and understand that stupid jokes are good for you.
Like John Cleese told me once: silly jokes keep the mind young, so I’m very happy to hear I still sound like a teenager, thank you very much.
You still fail to see humour is subjective; you’re a moron.
“I’m very happy to hear I still sound like a teenager”
There’s a difference between youthful traits and immaturity; I think it was pretty clear as to which I was referring to.
“I play with everything, including words, and you either get the fun part or you don’t.”
Dunning-kruger
So glad you got that of your chest, it must make you feel really smart. As for things being pretty clear wait what? you think I read your buIIshit? You kidding right? I’m just here to write trolly posts and see who is stupid enough to react and sometimes right something pseudo sensible. I already know you’re autistic bob worth ignoring but it is funny to see you react.
Like I said, dunning-kruger
Have you seen Galavant? It’s hilarious, watching it as we speak.
hah man I love galavant, but you shouldn’t play with people like bob they don’t have the mental ability to deal with the trauma.
It sounded to me like nerdo was the one that tilted; look at his behavioural change
Not sure what bobs problem is, best to leave the kid alone, must be hard for him growing up pretending to know things because he read about them. sad really, so young and already so rigid.
You know pop-flashes can be used as a trigger.
Correct, I do know that. It’s not great in sunlight, it doesn’t bounce behind walls very easily, it has a limited range and it’s not a good way to control the settings of your flash
You forgot the obvious. From camera light is harsh and horrible. Not everyone wants light coming from the camera dumbass
Like you said, it’s obvious. I didn’t “forget”, it’s too obvious to even mention. Anyone that’s trying to defend pop-up flash versus wifi flash is absurd and likely a bad photographer.
It’s not obvious for some.
Fair point.
Reasons not to use pop up flash —
Rain gets into camera.
Flash duration is a different length to other flashes, so if you are trying to freeze action, some of the photograph is going to be blurred.
Light temperature is different to other flashes.
You cannot control other flashes settings you can simply trigger them.
The method is triggering is unreliable.
If you wish to illuminate the back of a subject and not the front, you cannot.
It’s a small light source and there’s not enough power to make it a big light source for soft light.
The camera has to get bigger.
Small bulbs don’t age well and the colour temperatures of them changes over time.
Short range
Reasons to have wifi flash —
Wifi already exists in the camera
Nothing physical in the camera has to change
Wifi
Longer range
Ability to manually control flashes at a far range
you realise the other point in the flash need wifi too? name flash that has wifi compatibility.
600ex-rt
I forgot to add, pop-up flash creates a different colour temperature. It might be fine for amateurs but wifi is superior. I’m surprised you are pushing such an inferior method of controlling a flash
Sure radio controls are good. I have a set of pocket wizards…none of which can trigger my set of f60 flashes because there is no sync port on those “flagship” flashes. So I have to optically trigger them with an f20 flash if I want to use a quick speed light setup. It also will not trigger any optical monologhts I have because of preflash. While it would be nice if Sony would move their flash system forward to integrate wireless controls directly in the cameras and flashes…for now a pop-up flash can be used in a pinch when needed.
Unfortunately, the negatives far outweigh the positives, for most professionals
What you need is an Iphone in a plastic bag.
GPS sensors aren’t that small, not if you want fast, accurate lock. They also eat battery like a half starved hippo at a hotdog eating competition. Just buy an external tracker for $40 and tag your photos in lightroom.
“GPS sensors aren’t that small, not if you want fast, accurate lock”
They are. You’re talking nonsense here.
“They also eat battery like a half starved hippo at a hotdog eating competition”
GPS facilities don’t have to be on all the time and there are cameras that utilise it fine. So I agree with what you’re saying since hippos are mostly herbivorous and not many hotdogs would be eaten.
“Just buy”
No, I’d prefer the camera to have it built in. It’s useful for compass functions too
“They are. You’re talking nonsense here.”
I suppose it depends on your definition of small, but again they’re not that small. The GPS in your phone is, but that’s an entirely different kettle of fish. I’m a GIS developer and build drones, I have plenty of experience with GPS components. I would imagine the A7II would require some additional bulk to house the antenna.
“So I agree with what you’re saying since hippos are mostly herbivorous and not many hotdogs would be eaten.”
Now you’re talking nonsense. A hungry hippo will eat whatever you put in front of it.
“No, I’d prefer the camera to have it built in. It’s useful for compass functions too”
And other don’t care for it so why should they pay for a feature they don’t use which adds to the size of their camera? I agree though, it would be a nice feature and I’d prefer not to carry a separate device. And I couldn’t agree more about the popup flash. They’re less than adequate at best and pointless bulk added to a camera when you’re carrying a real flash.
“The GPS in your phone is, but that’s an entirely different kettle of fish”
You mean the one that geotags my photographs I take with the camera on the phone?
GPS sensors themselves are actually very small, and the architecture to process the triangulation already exists within the camera regardless of whether you’re trying to argue one uses bayesian and another does not.
“Now you’re talking nonsense. A hungry hippo will eat whatever you put in front of it.”
Your hippos are different to my hippos.
If you have a 1000ml tank, and you have different items, a b c. item a drains 1000ml in 1hour. item b drains the tank in 1 minute, item c drains the tank in 1 second, and you’ve already implemented item c, then adding item a won’t necessarily make a noticeable difference.
“And other don’t care for it so why should they pay for a feature they don’t use which adds to the size of their camera”
There are plenty of people that care for it. People are anti change, too. They don’t care for mobile phones, then mobile phones exist and they love them. They’ll say a camera is perfect how it is, it gets changed in an updated model, they’ll say how good it is
Ture 14 bit color ? No more shutter shock ?
Will it still resolve 50 % less than the Nikon D810 ?
Sensor glass that causes astigmatism ?
Will Sony stand by their users or ignore them for an entire year ?
D810
50% more white dots.
That is Nikon’s “white pixel” technology at no extra cost at all. 🙂
http://www.nikon.com
Those Sony sensors are crap!
Yes, but only when used in Nikon cameras.
Agree, only Canon for me, from now on. Thanks Asston for sharing that.
What is is, some long exposure without black frame subtraction?
Nikon recall #9000001
http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2014/08/nikon-releases-official-advisory-white-spots-issue-d810-dslr
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this issue may have caused.
No camera shoots clean long exposures without black frame subtraction, it’s physics of CMOS sensors.
It’s a picture from Anton Berlin’s imaginary portfolio.
“Yosemite Valley – night study, number one” © Anton Berlin, 2015 (aka Lloyd).
http://www.nikon.com go there and enjoy some quiet time, or actually tell sony about the issue, what do you expect from the comments? We go out and solve the problem for you?:
http://blog.sony.com/contact/
https://twitter.com/sonyelectronics
https://www.facebook.com/Sony
https://www.pinterest.com/sonyelectronics/
https://plus.google.com/+Sony/posts
Post the link to your comment on sony website so we all know you are not just trolling for attention here.
Awwwwww bless your little heart – someone earthly soul will love you one day!
Is the stock market closed today? 🙁
Yes thankfully!
Sony would be idiots not to install 36mpix sensor into A7II and call it a day. After all, R&D and tooling would cost almost nothing, but real life improvements are great, as A7r is useless handheld with unstabilized lenses because shake kills the main selling point of it.
I have countless perfectly sharp stable photos at 100% crop level taken handheld with an A7R on an adapted unstabilized 300mm lens while on top of moving cars/boats with appropriate shutter speeds.
If the only photos you ever take are at 1/60 handheld with unstabilized telephoto lenses, then yes, you should probably find an alternative.
Photos of what? With FF, just to get a proper DoF for a landscape or environmental portrait, you need f/11-f/16. A light camera for travel? Go make a picture of a face of your wife with Taj Majal or Louvre in the background (making sure it is sharp and not a blurry mess), a thing every phone camera is perfectly capable of. You’ll have 1/100s in no time even in bright sunlight. And no way in hell you’ll get 36mpix out of it.
You mean anything between 1/60 and 1/200?
Your assertion is false. I have loads of razor sharp photos with un-stabilized lens on my a7r.
48mpix, everything else the same as A7ii. Why are these posts so popular when we all know what is coming? I don’t get it. If Sony had anything revolutionary, we would have heard by now. There hasn’t been an actual rumor on this site in years, I miss the old days.
The 36mp sensor is OLD! I want to get into the 7 series, but don’t want to buyin at EOL. The big question is WHEN. If Sony is making the 48mp sensor for Nikon, in the past, hasn’t Sony allowed Nikon a head start? The D800? Nikon will need t to announce thier 36mp replacement first then Sony will.
Also, if rumors are correct, that Canon will have 2 high mega pixel cameras coming. Sony traditionally waits for Canon to announce then jumps in soon after.
I hope it has the 5 axis IS. 48pm, and maybe more dynamic range. one day use the IS to provide pixel shift higher res images.
Question to people that label me a troll.
If true 14bit was implemented.
If the camera was sealed against rain.
If there was a wifi flash available.
If there was no shutter shock and the shutter was made quieter.
If the camera was 36mpix…
How would this all lesson your experience? Why does this upset you? I would love to know
Lessen not lesson
It wouldnt. Add ibis and best in class AF and I buy one.
Agree…
Still waiting for a Pro Crop Camera from both Nikon and Sony. A few Pro Crop Primes wouldn’t hurt either. After years of waiting Canon finally delivered a so-so 7D2. Meh!
a7000 looks promising thus far.. I owned the 70D and glad I didn’t wait for the 7d2
Not saying it’s not a possibility, but there’s been nothing concrete about an A7000 yet. Only vague rumours from anonymous sources that read like a fantasy wish list. Just saying.
I agree. If A77II would of had two card slots and an even bigger buffer it would have been perfect. Still, I think the A77II is far superior to 7D2 as is, certainly on the AF and continuous burst rate.
Is Sony allowed to release a higher mpix camera before nikon? Eventhough Sony makes the sensors it is only fair that it should be introduced in a non-Sony camera first, AGAIN! If Sony fixes the shutter issues from loudness, position and shock, the 7rII will be a strong consideration for me.
Pretty sure the shutter shock myth was debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cdkeql2UuA&list=UUcdNjjD-Ddm5ryn8Qnf2hnQ
If you actually look at his videos the water shakes, lol
The vibration of the trigger is so small that you can not test with a glass of water. They are small, very small vibrations in the micro-region, which is enough to take blurry the sensor.
If someone makes such a nonsensical test, he not understand about shutter vibration (IBIS).
it is incredible what nonsense you can see on youtube.
youre like that guy who keeps telling people to prove santa claus doesnt exist..when you yourself should be the one bringing the evidence showing this massive plague of so called shutter shock..
I was told by users that the problem showed up with telephoto lenses (120 or longer) and shutter speeds 1/100th sec or longer.
Stupidest comment I’ve seen this year. But it’s only Jan 20th.
I am all for e-mount FF, and IBIS or a better better shutter and AF would be nice for the A7r. But wouldn’t it be time for the A99ii first? Anyway, keep them coming!!!
I second that. I’m ready for new A-mount pro bodies.
@admin : Are there any rumors about A-mount?
Pardon me, what mount? FE is the new EF.
Next FE camera with better than A6000 AF and a quiet shutter gets my dollars, and my A7R becomes a backup. IBIS isn’t enough to get my blood pressure jumping. This A7RII just doesn’t interest me. I want to see the A9.
Better autofocus would be the killer feature for me too. I love these cameras and the slowly growing lens lineup but the autofocus can be a PITA in some circumstances.
Aye… A7rII with 4D hybrid AF and all the A7II has and I’m all in.
No rumors about an a7s II?
Yet another Sony body with little firmware support that will be discontinued next year, WHERE ARE THE SMALL FASTER LENSES? Isn’t that the point of mirror less I couldnt do it again Sony they got rid of th NEX name but still the same plan.
Yet another whiny post from someone complaining that Sony won’t make whatever they want, right now! You want a small, fast zoom on FF? It’s not going to happen so stop holing your breath. Two firmware updates so far in a year on my A7. The A7II has already had it’s first firmware update. What more do you want? Do you actually own an A7 or do you just come here to complain about cameras you don’t own and never will?
Seriously. I’m so tired of seeing people whining and whining. Why don’t they just use other cameras if they think the Sony system is so bad. I personally think Sony is doing an amazing job with their cameras right now and I’m loving it. You’re getting stuff you’re not seeing in other brands. With a72 that just cameout, its pretty much everything I ever wanted in a camera. If i owned that I wouldn’t need to update for the longest time. Unless a wireless trigger somehow makes its way to the A9, which is why I’m waiting a bit to see whats up. I own the a7 right now after using the canon 5d3. I love it so much.
“You’re getting stuff you’re not seeing in other brands”
With other brands you’re getting stuff you’re not seeing in Sony. If I reverse your statement, you see it as whining. When really it’s not always whining.
Some people want a small, professional camera without paying leica prices. It’s frustrating to see a7 is close to that but it lacks the basics of what makes a professional camera.
One thing I haven’t understood in my life is why people treat material objects like pets. You insulted my camera? WAHHHH. My camera is perfect! Don’t you dare insult it! Really though, insult it as much as possible please. Then the next model won’t simply be the same
I owned an A7 noticed I said owned meaning that I don’t have it anymore because I didn’t want it it. FF is great quality is like the RX1. I only remarked on the sized because Sony’s marketing makes it a priority to constantly talk about size. Moreover I guess Leica is all i can hope for in order to meet my needs in (full frame) Fuji has more pro oriented lenses IMHO. I didn’t dump on Sony for having bad products because they don’t make bad products. I was only “whining” not because i didn’t give Sony a try or give Sony my money, they need to do work to give pros confidence in their systems. Lastly again size is a reason to buy mirrorless its stupid to assume otherwise if size is not the advantage then buy a DSLR after all you would a large bag for those massive lenses anyway. lol
It was your opening statement that made it sound like whining “Yet another Sony body with little firmware support that will be discontinued next year”. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, things are easily misread or misinterpreted.
That said, the A7 series is still smaller than comparable cameras from other manufacturers. And the lenses are far from massive when compared to similar full frame lenses. What lenses are you looking for in particular?
They gave us a 55 1.8 which is excellent but what about a 50 1.4 If they did that the lens will be bigger much so than the Nikon 50 1.4G
You’re complaining about a lens that doesn’t exist for a camera you don’t own. Doesn’t that seem just a little ridiculous to you?
Mirrorless isn’t just about size. Its about the tech inside as well. Sony is making some of the most feature rich cameras in this price range.
There are also 7 lenses coming out in a span of 4 months, from December-march
the expectations notably with the current lens line up … Especially for the youthful FE mount is unrealistic …. It’s a system that is just a little over one year old. Just have a good look at the offering by other manufactures … Is anyone else offering full frame is a compact form ?
If I had to guess Id say we will see an A7RII for February, (A7SII & A9 mid year) A7RII having the same body upgrade as the A7II, a new shutter, 36mp sensor without a lowpass filter like the d810 but with a new processor maybe, same auto focus as A7II (maybe a6000). IBIS is a coin flip.
please no compressed raw!
agree!
ok, so do not call ax cameras as pro gears; they are compact digital ff mirrorless multiuse enviable jewels. A lot but not enough. It should mean IQ and still shooting as first priority not a multifunction compromise.
What is odd is how people ask for things but don’t think of what you will pay. No compressed RAW? Well, slower burst rate, or larger body for faster processor, or lower battery life (when the battery life is already marginal — a trade off in itself for the small form factor and a FF sensor). Now there are some very extreme situations in which the lossy compression is visible. But it’s worth it to me for the benefits. On the other hand EFC is a MUST and we know it can be done, because the Nikon D810 has it….
“What is odd is how people ask for things but don’t think of what you will pay. No compressed RAW”
I understand it might mean a slower burst rate, I’m totally comfortable with that option in the menu system. Even if it said “you can only shoot one photograph per minute” I would like that option.
“when the battery life is already marginal — a trade off in itself for the small form factor and a FF sensor”
The battery life is marginal because of the sensor constantly feeding information to the viewfinder and LCD. If the battery life is drained by the viewfinder in 1 hour (made up figure) and you were to add an audio radio, you wouldn’t notice this very much because the sensor feed drains the battery fast. On a DSLR, you notice GPS and wifi a lot because relative to the power drain during normal use, GPS And wifi uses a lot of current.
If you add GPS or uncompressed raw which you claim drains the battery more (I claim compression also drains the battery), you can’t necessarily argue that it’s going to make a noticeable difference unless you know how much drain that is relative to the other factors draining the battery life.
I am not saying that it won’t drain the battery faster. Yes GPS does, so might uncompressed raw but if the processor is under 90% load during normal use and uncompressed raw uses 5% of the processor, then it’s possible that the power drain might not be as much as you are insinuating.
Even in the event it drained the battery in 30 minutes, I would still like this option.
“a trade off in itself for the small form factor”
Correlation is not causation
Just to be clear, my figures are made up. I don’t know what kind of impact it would have on battery life but I think it’d be a higher impact on burst rate
Correlation is indeed not causation; but I suspect this correlation is indeed explained by causation!
If you could just use the current silicon and effectively turn on uncompressed RAW then I agree there would be little decrease in battery life. But my guess is that it would need a bigger faster (and more battery intensive) processing engine. Eventually no doubt a low power faster solution will come along, and maybe that will be soon. But my point was just that, *at a time* there is likely a tradeoff here – either more size coz larger battery, or less battery life.
But of course I’m not sure.
As for an option you can turn off, if that could be done without a bigger processing engine etc I’d be in favour of it for sure. But I doubt Sony would – they aren’t going to want to have an option that lowers performance considerably and will likely generate more complaints than the lossy compression. There are only a few people that care about the LC (to a small extent I’m one). But if the word got around that set to ‘best quality’ you only got one fps or the battery only lasted 100 shots then that would hurt.
Actually it all boils down to software, as far as I know. They use lossy compressed because it’s cheaper than paying the license for higher quality
Pretty sure that’s not right Bob; Sony has their own lossless compression they use the the A99 series, and of course uncompressed is free. Generally a good lossy algorithm if you have to pay costs more, because there is more work in designing it. The upside of lossy compression is that the file size is then smaller, and the data transfer rates are much lower. It’s those things that are driving it, not the lack of a lossless compression algorithm.
I was told it was a licensing issue
Want more battery life? Switch to EVF only and switch to airplane mode. This way you only use the evf when the sensor detects your eye. You can go hours with the a6000 this way.
EVF uses more battery power. You obviously don’t own this camera
Not only do I have the a6000 right in front of me, I shoot with it using the EVF. The fact you do not understand my point means you do not own this camera, or at least, you prefer to argue instead of try.
It really is very simple bob: the EVF only switches on when you look into it, unlike the LCD which is on all the time. Did a test yesterday shooting birds: burned one battery in an hour, switched to EVF only and spend 3 hours with the second battery. You’re obviously just here talk rubbish like the rest of the trolls. At least nerdo is funny, stupid but funny.
If it’s gonna say “9”, then it better have full articulating screen and big boy ergonomics with full set of controls on vertical grip. I grow weary of loosing features to every Sony “advancement”.