The following info comes from a trusted source. He said:
“The new camera will not replace the a6000. But will be in different positioning like nex-6 and nex-7“
This matches the info I got from another source a couple of days ago:
“I have been told by a Sony rep that the new A6xxx will replace [shoplink 36468 ebay]the NEX-7 too[/shoplink]”
This sounds like the new A6xxx will be a hybrid between the A6000 and the [shoplink 36468 ebay]NEX-7[/shoplink]. Intriguing!
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Don’t just tease us, write what you think this means:D
Then why they don’t call it A7000?
Same reason they don’t call the RX100 II the RX200 or the A77 II the A78 or the a7 II the A8…
No, it is not the same…. It is more similar to A5000-A5100 difference.
Sony made a mess with names….
Not the same. I think the reason is this:
The first number after the A tells what kind of camera it is:
A3xxx=DSLR styled camera
A5xxx=small RF styled camera without EVF (A5000 was Nex 3, A5100 was Nex 5)
A6xxx=small RF styled camera with EVF
maybe they want to confuse users so they would have to buy all models? 😀
There is no spec leak as of yet?
Wow the big announcement may be this very week and no definite rumours yet. Sony probably hired someone from NSA or GCHQ……
We merely know E mount and RX, not A mount for now. Likely some crop and some full frame camera bodies. Not clear how many of each type….not clear what will be the key innovations – some say IBIS some rumours say no IBIS, some rumours claim 4K some claim no 4K. Likely but not sure replacements of some current models.
The info is crop model will be 24MP the full frames will be one or two and will have 36 and/or 59MP sensors.
It is not even sure if the crop model will only be announced or actually released – there was rumour that the crop model will be delayed!
We know one of the full frames will be released as it is in production for 2 months now. I guess most of its production run in factories is now complete…..
After the many Sony leaks issues they dediced to simply not let out any info from Tokyo.
But I would not be worried. It always goes up and down with rumors. And I am working to get up again 😉
i’m always curios – how exactly you are “working” ? are you work with shovel or scoop ? or working watching the kid/wife/dog/sunset ? or some other way ? or calling sony: “–come on guys! give me something? i have kids to feed!” ?
Professional secret….
Instead of coming here to insult the admin, why don’t you just not come here?
it looks like only fonk is insulted.
You are doing great in providing what details are leaking out but also providing a consolidated new feed about the Sony camera systems. There are so many reviews, video casts, examples etc. I find it hard to find the interesting things n the internet without your index
Anyway I did not mean anything offensive. Spec and other details would in the past typically leak this close to the big day.
You were not offensive at all! 🙂
P.S.: I may should add that I had and still ave very busy time in my life. That also matter when it comes to proper and intensive rumor work. I will only have much mroe time to spend on SAR from early 2017 towards.
P.P.S.: And unlike other “official” photography sites I do not get big money from companies to write content. I have to add google banners and affiliation links to make the site worth my hour investment. And during the day I ahve my “normal work” in my company (as a creative director and documentarist).
This makes it all quite difficult to keep SAR running at 100% capacity all year long.
You are doing a great job and the amount of responses in the comment section shows that people care. The other rumour sites you have up top don’t generate nearly the input from readers. I still haven’t bought my sony but I’ve been hooked for almost a year. Keep it up.
“I will only have much mroe time to spend on SAR from early 2017 towards.”
Unfortunately that will coincide with Canon dominating the mirrorless market (according to Barry), so you won’t need to spend time on SAR, as e-mount will be dead. 😉
of course ! nothing (and i mean NOTHING) can replace a6000 😉
Sony needs to compete against both the Samsung 28mp apsc bsi sensor, and the Canon ff 50mp sensor.
The solution to both is to utilize the Exmor r bsi technology and produce maybe a 36mp apsc bsi sensor for the a6xxx series, and a 56mp-78mp ff bsi sensor for the flagship ff camera.
I still think a new 36mp ff camera is a waste, because a7r users want the highest possible resolution, which 36mp is not.
With the a7ii and possible a future a7sii available the 36mp a7rii would be an unnecessary in between level.
I would not be totally surprised if the rumors of the a7rii being a minor upgrade of the a7r are just deliberate falsely leaked rumors in order to keep the competition from guessing the truth.
applying the same updates to a a7r as applied to the a7 (resulting in an a7II) I wouldn’t consider as a waste. No shutter vibrations, no light leak issue, maybe a bit tweaked sensor read-out, possibly lossless RAW and not to forget IBIS would make me buying an a7rII (indeed, these are more updates in one new camera than Canikon would release in 3-4 “new” models!!!). “56mp-78mp” aren’t so tempting at all with regard to lenses capable of delivering such a performance, huge file sizes and operation almost exclusively on a tripod in order to take advantage of such a resolution.
Implementing a sensor shift option would also lead to the necessity of using a tripod; but one could disable that in contrast to a high MPix sensor (with the limitation of beeing only useful for static objects).
There is no doubt that such a camera (with 50+ Mpix) should exist from Sony; but, please, not the a7rII. let’s call it the a8 or a9 which will be more like a studio camera (as the high MPix Canon) and not for street/landscape photography.
+1
Except for the usual pixelphobia there is no reason to choose 36mp version when both 24mp and higher res
To be fair, it’s definitely harder to shoot handheld with the a7r than the a7 (efcs might help if they can implement it). However, the 5Ds makes it worse again (you’re looking at shutter speeds of 1.5 – 2x FL to get sharp results).
You haven’t realized yet that your needs are not everyone’s needs?
Sony knows what to do… They don’t need your advice….
They would probably laugh at your requests…
You want 78MP? Then make a petition, get thousands of signatures and ask Sony
to make that goddamn sensor!
On the contrary…the needs of the general photographer are being met by cellphones..high end cameras will be strictly for those with special needs that cellphones cannot meet.
I am not unique in wanting the highest possible image quality and resolution, as that is the whole purpose of buying a high quality camera.
“for those with special needs”.
I knew it!! 😉
Relax..I was not talking about you or I would have said Candiru.
That would only prove your limited mental capacity.
Candiru
Thank you.
That’s the difference between you and a true Amazon Candiru…
The true Amazon Candiru would be insulted by the comparison.
Can you insult a fish?
I wasn’t thanking you for the comparison, I was thanking you for proving your limited mental capacity, which you have now done twice.
Candiru wannaby
Are those the little buggers that’ll swim up ones Johnson?
Yep, Barry blurts it out when he get all flustered in arguments with me. Strange guy.
No..I insult you AFTER you insult me.
Otherwise I have been quite civil to you…act like a Candiru and I will call you one, as you deserve.
Apparently you lack the inteligence to see the correlation between your actions and my very predictable …deliberately so…reactions.
No, I was joking, hence the 😉
Though I should know by now that you are humourless.
Yes…apparently some of the Lotus Eater pix were a little too harsh for SAR..too bad, I have even better ones I wont be able to use.
Hi Barry, can you please explain why 36MP is not enough and78MP is enough? some years back professional photographers used 6MP cameras and took stunning pictures with them, pleasing every custommer of them. Now you tell that you need a camera with that much pixels. Not many lenses will be able to outresolve those pixels, making very large files, with not that much gain in real resolutions…
And for most of us: 24MP is allready overkill, we don’t need 36 or 50MP… So it should be wise if sony took care of us too with cameras with less pixels…
High quality prints require a minimum of 300 dpi
So, by your reckoning, high quality prints with the existing 24MP sensor are only possible up to 20″x13.3″ or less.
This is true. I print files from a900 on 60×40 cm format (A2), which is basically the same. And I can tell the difference when I need to crop to 18Mpix and print on the same format or when I print 90×60 cm (A1) with 24Mpix. In both cases quality goes visibly down.
No doubt, if you stick you face into the print, but “high quality” prints are still possible. You have to take into account the acuity of human vision and viewing distance.
Well, can’t argue with that. Few print though.
Few print. Even fewer print with a viewing distance of 12″ in mind.
Correct
300dpi is only required if your face is 1 foot from the print. The further back you go, the less DPI you need to achieve the same perceived sharpness levels.
You should be able to veiw a large print up close and see more detail than a smaller print.
Poorer quality is only acceptable because better is unavailable.
But the point is that most of the time that is not necessary, especially if the idea is to view the photograph as a whole. You are confusing your specific needs with the needs of the majority.
The majority only buy cellphones.
Some of us are not satisfied with average mediocre work.
This has absolutely nothing to do with cellphones.
A large print from a good sensor and lens is going to be far superior to a cellphone print, even at less than 300dpi.
Of course it does.
With incressing cellphone camera quality more and more users that are satisfied with cellphone quality are abandoning thier high end cameras, in huge numbers.
The only users that will be left are those looking for exceptional quality…for some, like myself that means the highest resolution, for others it will mean other qualities, but in each case the camera must meet the needs of users that are very differrent from each other and far more demanding than the general public.
That is the future of the high end camera, whether you like it or not.
Some people will not want high res, but they will have thier own set of quality requirements, and no single camera will satisfy more than a small minority of users.
But doesn’t a higer MPxel camera require higher shutter speed for hand held shooting? So that’s one downside for a lot of people.
I think Sony does it well to make ultimate cameras for different needs.
A7S: Ultimate lowlight cam
A7RII: Ultimate resolution
A9?: Perhaps Ultimate Speed
A7: for the rest of us.
Only if you’re hanging them in a gallery in Manhattan. I sell lots of 150 DPI prints through a POD.
All my refference prints are big and viewed up close.
All my final work does hang in galleries.
Your final work is paintings, is it not?
Correct
Then you’re the target market for 50 MPs. For most of us, it’s overkill and is only going to make our photos harder to store and upload, and bog down our post-processing. But, I’m being drowned out by the “high megapixel” drums so I’ll move on.
“640K ought to be enough for anybody.”
“I can assure you, this is not about spying on the American people.”
“Nobody intends to put up a wall!”
Sorry could not resist. Bigger is not always better, but it means going forward and that is generally good.
BSI is not worth it on big sensors, but of course if even ~5% extra low light performance can gained by it then why not. The latest 24Mp sensor in Nikon D7200 (probably Sony sensor) is already has a higher score than the Samsung BSI sensor.
Most importantly Sony should just put a kick ass 24Mp sensor that will bring DR up to FF standards like the sensor in D7200 and then maybe improve low light performance by 20% better and then put 4K video in it to please the click baiters of youtube.
BSI is most usefull for increased sensitivity on smaller pixels.
As the resolution increases the pixels get smaller and the BSI advantage increases.
I’ve read quite a few comments online regarding the 50MP canon. I don’t get the impression that it’s taken any thunder away from the D810. It’s the whole package at this point. The D810 is a refined piece of machinery. The leap from 36 to 50 is even less of a significant leap forward as well. I’d personally prefer an A7RII with the 36MP sensor that is refined and ready for showtime. Less limitations over more IQ.
Canon camera is seriosly flawed.
The sensor was developed in 2007
2 disabled aa filters instead of no aa filter
Poor dynamic range
Sony can do better
” sensor was developed in 2007″
Source?
I never though you would agree that resolution isn’t everything.
In 2010 Canon anounced the development of a 120mp apsh sensor.
Im the official announcement Canon also described a 50mp that they developed in 2007.
The 50mp 2007 r&d sensor is also aps-h. Source (see *3 at the very bottom): http://www.canon.com/news/2010/aug24e.html
The Canon sensor is “new” (unreleased, never used before, available no where else) though your meaning of the word may differ from the generally accepted definition.
Electronics do not magically appear in production lines a couple of weeks after someone in R&D has a bright idea. Sensors & processors take years go from design to production and not just groundbreaking iterations but evolutionary designs as well.
Personally I’m unimpressed with the few 5ds test photos I’ve seen so far but since getting a sony camera I have come to prefer dynamic range, color saturation, ISO performance and contrast to simply more pixels (although my a99 has more pixels than any of the Canon cameras I use anyway).
You are correct..thanx for finding that.
I wonder if the old sensor is better than the new one 🙂
I am still not impressed by the Canon and believe that the D810 actually outperforms the 5DSR
I have not yet purchased a D810 but have a d5500 as a less expensive temporary camera to use when my 150-600 Sigma Sport finally arrives…if ever…
My assumption is that when the 50mp Sony sensor is available Nikon will put it into a new Nikon camera so I am waiting for that rather than spending the money on the D810 now. I will be using Nikon for my long lens, but if Sony becomes fully autofocus compatable with Nikon I would consider a second new Sony plus adapter.
For my macro stuff I may get the new high mp Sony 50mp and the new 90mm macro Sony lens…I have preordered the lens just tk hold my place in line.
If Sony does not come out with a satisfactory camera in a timely manner I may just begin to replace my macro lenses with Nikon ones…but that would be a more costly option than buyind 1 new lens, 1 new camera, and a new adapter for my current macros…asuming the new camera has IBIS…so that is my preffered direction if Sony cooperates.
There will be other high res choices available..hopefully better than this Canon.
36mp would indeed be a waste… in aps-c size.
Seems to be consistent with their strategy that existing models get pushed down the food chain when new ones are announced. This may sit ‘higher’ than the A6000, but it will likely fill the same spot as the a6000 did when it came out.
What’s so different between the NEW 7 and the a6000 anyway?
I don’t get it.
When the a6000 was launched it was said to replace both the nex6 and nex7, and it is superior to the nex7 in many aspects… There should be something specs-wise to justify this new body… IBIS? 4K video? Great low light performance?
IBIS, 4K Video, closer to A7 low light performance, leveling gauge( mandatory), crazy Higher DR, greater Noise reduction, ….
NEX-7:
• overheats before reaching the 30 minute video recording limit
• older style hot shoe
• no mode dial
• extra top plate adjustment dial in place of mode dial
• old NEX menu system [always hated using it]
• hypothetically weaker at higher iso [more noise]
• mic jack
A6000:
• records right up to 30 minute limit, can start recording after without overheating
• Mi Shoe
• mode dial
• one less adjustment dial
• newer alpha style menu system [not perfect, but still better, in this one’s opinion]
• strong image quality at higher iso
• no mic jack [ 🙁 ]
less colorshift on a6000
i had NEX7 before moving onto A6000. the NEX7 evf while higher resolution, the viewing angle is no match to A6000. might not sound a big deal, but good enough to miss a number of shots.
AF is quite abit better on A6000 as well.
i would like quietier shutter and weaker AA filter in the new A6xxx tho….
Complete crap of EVF on A6000, far worse than that on NEX7.
No iso/aperture/shutter speed controls (tri-navi).
No level gauge.
No mic input.
The EVF is not far worse at all. Lower resolution, sure, but faster refresh, less tearing, less lag, better all round in use.
No mic input, sure. The other things there are controls, they work fine.
Mimicking NEX-7 is a step backwards.
now that it is clear that Sony is more commited to Fullframe E-mount lenses (which are quite large for mirrorless lenses), they should shift their ideas and bring E-mount cameras with bigger bodies and grip to match latest lenses. Cameras like GH4, NX1 and EM1 got good reviews for their bodies construction.
Look at the sales of the mirrorless cameras at Amazone and B&H, you will see that the small A5000/5100/6000 cameras do sell better then the larger Panasonic and Olympus cameras, or even the larger sony A7x cameras….
Many complaints here and on other forums about the extra size of the A7II for the IBIS system.
It’s not about sales numbers. It’s about giving users options.
The same could be said about the 70-200/4 from Canon or Nikon. Most people are okay with it due to size and cost concerns but it’s absurd to complain about having a 70-200/2.8 as an extra option.
Options cost more
Explain.
When you make the same camera in two bodies, a small one and a large one. You have to make separate machines to make the body, you have to make separate boxes, you have to market them separately. So someone have to pay for that. Then, what many forget, you can’t just put in the same electronic/mechanics in a different body, things like the LCD, the knobs and dials etc are on a different place,so you have to rebuild de inside of the camera too, making it a lot more expensive thaen it looks…
Chice costs money.
Sure, it cost money to make new models (just like any new camera model), but if they did a larger body for the a3000 (the inside is quite similar to other cameras), I’m quite sure Sony don’t mind at all creating new camera bodies. That’s the specialty of Sony as a electronic giant. It’s fairly fast to make a prototype and put the model into full-scale production as fast as 3 months.
For the sake of giving users more options, Sony can do everything.
It is exactly as you say, the inside is quite similar, but not totaly similar. And that last part is the problem. They have to design and engineer the little bit different parts all over again. One hole on a diffeent place and you have to redesign the connections. When you add one dial or button, the FW must undergo a major change and it must be tested all over again. All very high costs. Sony must sell enough f both cameras to make a proffit in the end. For us custommers it makes the price on both cameras go up. The A3000 was that inexpensive as it was made out of left overs, (old EVF, old LCD etc). Sony is there not for us, but for the proffit. They need us to make a profit, but that does not mean they will do everything that is asked.
I so wish we could get an APSC designed 70-200mm 2.8. I imagine the same restrictions apply. It would only take away from it’s full frame counterpart in terms of sales. It would be cost prohibitive. Such a bummer though.
Not sure if the IBIS adds a lot to size, maybe a little – the GX7 has IBIS the OMD-Em10/5/1 have IBIS – I think there is a need for both sizes – of course the pros need weather sealing and more rugged bodies and larger grip VS beginners and intermediate users prefer smaller and lighter bodies and are not opt to buy fast zooms that are large and heavy – I think Sony has been very successful with their A6000 primarily because it is an APS-C size sensor 24MP great IQ and good tracking focus ( although most mirrorless cameras are not that great with tracking focus ) – but price has been a huge factor – M43 has way nicer lens selection but their bodies like the GX7 and OMD-EM5 / m2 with smaller sensor
have been priced higher then the A6000 – same with the Fuji X-E2
Sales speak for them selfs – the new EM5 with 5 axis IBIS and weather sealing is more justifiable in its price – but the GX7 has been to hight – although now finally coming down as GX8 coming in autumn
I love the smaller and lighter bodies – but I certainly also see the need for more rugged and weather sealed bodies like the OMD-Em1 and GH4 and NX1
GX7 sensor is four times smaller, and it doesn’t need to move as fast
The 28mm f2 and 35mm f2.8 full frame E mount lenses are relatively compact. I really like the 28mm.
Sure thing, those are small, but the 90M/2.8G, 35/1.4Z and 70-200/4G are quite large. Some people would benefit from a larger camera body for APS-C (of even FF)
I would bet that a 70mm APS-C lens would be smaller (and so would a 35mm 1.4 in APS-C. I like the 35mm 1.8 APS-C, which is not even a full stop slower (and it’s a good quality optic). Maybe Sigma or Tamron will bring out a longer focal length macro for APS-C E-Mount. The new 90mm macro is supposed to be great, however. The 70-200G balances quite well on the A6000. Smaller, lighter, and better than the A-Mount beercan.
Let’s be honest, here: most of Sony’s lenses are quite large, period.
The NEX-7 with the Tri-Navi was a very nice camera, but I sold it in 2013 after waiting for 1,5 years for some more quality lenses. And today – 2 year later – Sony has still the same problem. There is a lack of good lenses for APS-C-E-Mount. Sony seems to push hard, to fill the lineup of FE lenses. But there is not so much commitment for APS-C-E-Mount.
Personally I would love to see a 36MP full frame camera with range finder layout from Sony. Something like a NEX-7 – just a little bit larger and with a full frame sensor. I don’t like the layout of the A7 line with the viewfinder centered above the lens mount.
I too sold my NEX7 kit 2 years ago after being disappointed in the lenses, annoyed by the hot shoe and furious about sensor over heating. And I hated the NEX menus. The A6000 almost makes me wish I’d waited but still doesn’t have the lenses I want to make it my only system.
What I want is what you describe: a rangefinder style FE body, the Batis, the 55 and some legacy glass or a wide Loxia and a fast 135mm (maybe the Samyang). And a 6000 backup
No interest in that Fuji X100T huh?
Oh, lots of interest still. But my Ricoh GR and a vintage film Leica M3 are scratching the same itch as the Fuji X100t for me, so I have the ability to resist the calling. 🙂
How long have we all waited for the NEX7 update that still has not materialized 🙂
I still have my NEX7 but it mostly collects dust –
Horrible NEX meny system – and the Tri Navi way to soft – constantly changing settings –
IQ not bad in decent light – the A6000 was a much needed improvement –
Hope to see the 5 axis IBIS technoligy from the A7 m2 in the A6xx –
Some people are quite happy with the lenses available for APS-C E mount. What lenses do you need? As everyone’s needs are quite different from everybody else, I am curious to see what you think is needed. Mind you, more lenses would be nice.
A longer prime, like an f/1.8 around the 85 to 115mm range, is at the top of my wishlist. Obviously there’s the FE Zeiss 85mm that was just announced, but that’s a little pricey for your average APS-C user. I mean, for Nikon, you can get a new *full-frame* 85mm f/1.8 for just $500, and it’s about the same length as Sony’s APS-C 50mm! Hell, even something like the Olympus 75mm for MFT would be nice.
“There is a lack of good lenses for APS-C-E-Mount”
No there’s not. There’s a lack of some decent cheap lenses, that’s all. FE lenses work fine on APS-C E-mount, the 28mm & 35mm f/2.8 are small lenses, and aren’t that expensive. Being FE doesn’t mean A6000 users can’t use them.
The whole idea of the a6000 is to be extremely small and light – not to add an adapter and big, heavy lenses designed for other cameras.
You don’t need adapters for the FE lenses, and the 35/2.8 and 28/2 as mentioned are not big or heavy.
They are small, light lenses that work without an adaptor.
Personally, I’m with you, but I think Sony would be wise to release an APS-C camera with a centered viewfinder. Take on the popular Olympus OM-D series more directly.
As if the A6000 is not popular?
Of course it is (I own one myself). But a lot of people prefer a centered viewfinder, and of course there’s always the less informed consumer that thinks ‘DSLR-shape = better quality’.
Are this the same people thinking that no built in flash = better quality, because 1DX and D4S doesn’t have one?
The built in flash in the A6000 is very convenient. It’s a nice kit with 16-70 f/4 lens.
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Let’s see what Sony releases.
Probably alone with this one, but I’m hoping for a similar feature set to the A6000 but in a smaller body, similar to my old NEX-5. For me, I use my NEX as a second camera that can easily fit in pocket or Camelbak when I’m riding/running and still take shots good enough to sell professionally. My NEX does that but I really, really need a good quality EVF and a more modern sensor etc in a similar sized package. Bigger bodies are great for general use and as a ‘main’ body, but the existing Sony options already have that covered at the higher price point that people needing that size are probably shopping at.
Also, as a bonus, I would buy the hell out of a compact zoom similar to the stock 16-50 pancake one, but with much better optics (ie, Canon L type level). I could deal with a smaller aperture, say f4 constant, if it kept the overall size down.
Like many, I’m disappointed that the 2+ years of waiting for a NEX-7 or high end APS-C camera is gone. Seems like Fuji is the only one willing to invest resources in the APS-C market at least on the mirror less side. Even Nikon is avoiding putting out a D400 and quality APS-C glass.
Probably will see a slightly updated a6000 sensor, The video codec that was in the a5100, and to satisfy the nex-7 users throw them a bone with better dials but not fully return to the tri-navi setup.
No 4k, no IBIS, no weather sealing since that means releasing new weather sealed lenses. Also put out a slightly improved MII of the crappy 16-50 PZ with many less distortion on the wide end, but it’ll still be mediocre.
Fuji has no choice, it’s the only consumer market they are active in with ILC’s….
A-Mount is dead
Nex 7 is dead.
I hope not.
if what SAR posted some days ago is true that the a77m2 af module cannot be used on the LA-EA adapters without an increase in adapter size and that longer telephoto lenses cannot be optimized for PDAFOS on current E-mount cameras, that means that A-mount should be here for a while until Sony can address those issues.
If Sony is smart enough, they should give us a D4S, D810 and D750 competitors with latest AF tech for A-mount as a step before Sony brings a solution for their E-mount.
I don’t know if it’s dead but the focus has definitely shifted.
Well, let’s wait then for the next crippled thing to replace the NEX-7 once more. Anything with A6xxx is not and will not be A7xxx
Agreed, Sony can and must release an e-mount camera with the number 7 used extensively to properly replace the great NEX-7. If Sony had a couple of smart people working there, they would release more than one variation with different sensors.
Yes you two are absolutely right there must be a 7 in it! And it must be a Nex 7 too, not a silly A7xxxx! It is all in the name you know! The camera may be plasticy, the build quality crap, the AF slower then a dead horse, the sensor for 1812 etc, as long as it is called NEX 7 it will be gooooood!
YES! Bring back the NEX moniker, I can’t be seen shooting with a lower case a or numbers lower than 7 (unless I’m using canon in which case no numbers higher than 5).
You only like NEX because it rhymes with SEX. 🙂
Probably nex7 with ibis and 25 contrast detect points. I guess i’ll turn to pentax. They cripple things not because of greed but because thats the best they can do. Not including mf ofcourse. These guys are becoming so greedy that i will rather pay for honest than for quality product. Still i hope the rumor is wrong and that there is some humanity left in sony.
LOL
We formed already the term of a “compromise-body” in this forum.
Sony is always doing something good and something really bad together without any technical reason. I still use my NEX5 and I am convinced the E-mount system could be really good – but until now there is no Sony out that makes me really happy.
Well, i am pretty much happy with nex7, its IQ and performance, great fun to use, but its crazy that after four years there is no substantial upgrade. A6000 gets focus upgrade, and many downgrades that i simply dont want to change. Only way from nex7 seems to be full frame, but those are coming without fast focus, so i think its still too early… The way Sony are doing now is as if they only want to attract new users, not those who already shoot Sony. I dont want to buy 5 cameras to be able to shoot every situation, the lenses are enough of a baggage themselves.
Yes, there’s absolutely, positively, a great deal of psychology involved in marketing and product naming. Sony could offer the world in an A6xxx, but 6 is too low a number to be considered a ‘top of the line’ model. It needs to be at least a 7.
Well played.
Yes that will be the reason Canon’s top DSLR is the 7D and the lowest is the 1D is it?
I meant specifically in the *Sony* camera product line. The 7 has a strong brand history there.
Often a number alone can have significance (particularly a cultural one: 666, 13, 4, 333, 7, etc.)
But often it’s also related to a manufacturer’s brand ‘legacy’. The breakthrough camera for Canon was the 5D, and 5 will always be associated with high-end Canons.
The Nikon D700 was a ground-breaking enthusiast camera for Nikon and D7xx will always be a highly regarded there, as with the D3, D4, etc. numbering for professionals.
For Sony, the NEX-7, and A7, series have been most highly regarded and well received. The ‘branding’ or connection there has already been firmly established.
Z27 Camaro? 6-Up or 8-Up lemon-lime flavoured soft drink? Some brands have stronger established connections with numbers than others. For Sony, it’s 7.
I think the Nex-6 and the A6000 was/is, on the whole, better received than the NEX-7. Although I preferred the NEX-7 control layout (and build quality), the 6 level APS-C E-Mount cameras offers (or offered) greater performance per dollar (or other currency) spent.
the a5100 includes several stuff from the a6000 in a smaller body, and has XAVC-S video recording (something the a6000 doesn’t have)
It will be more expensive and they want to sell both, like a7 and a7.2.
work with Fs-7 ( 6900-body..) The Sony A7000 spits to sharp in the big river.. simple.
So they do all, to castrate the cam, and same k´joke we had seen some years ago with
Fs-100 and the fine tiny nex-cams…. always the gochones first… and so the drama
( smartphones overrunn the market) goes on.
lowprice pany g7 is out, samsung nx500 is out, pany lx100 is on place, all fine cams and
all fight now in the consumers horizon of 500-700,-$ And waht is with all the 1 inch cams
they hold till end of summer ( nerver spit in the ocean..) hm?
it is a absolut an clear visible market–100%
yes and sales-my amazone/ geizhals store round sells the 5100 for!! 299,- and now
price will dripp down to 249,90- and nobdy cares ( ev. frodo bouitlin/ pygmean sports filmer..)
about tini small middlebig bodie..
P R I C E is the blood everything else is..forget it.
5100 with adapter and cany 50 1,8 is a shini starter setup.
also nikon d3300 ( close to slog/ close) is fine all these you get for 250-350 $
so what?
Sony had its selveoutrun to 3, 4 walls–instead to kill aps-c and all this, bring
two fullsensor phot knipsis one with 50mpixxi ( photos) one with 12( film)-and
that is it in the 8 bit lowprice universe.. (( never forget bmc mini cam taht will get
2016 the 4k sensor-will have a new better allin body and costs 1300,- 10 bit)
japanese Actuerts do all right and more wrong–they live marketing 2008
but we have 2015… they can do it but maybe to old to many intern departments
to big makrketpices for now- 2017 we see 250$ 1 inch 4k 5 axis stb f2,0 smartphones.
so how to explain it then how?
museum of the hind?
I couldn’t agree more.
Museum of the hind indeed.
I have no idea what I just read.
Paranoid indonesian through google translate. Too much post processing, bending inevitable.
Why Indonesian?
He is clearly German…
it’s look like ancient chinese through google translate
That’s Yoda talk right there.
“Yoda this guy must be!” 🙂
‘selveoutrun to 3, 4 walls’ – you nailed it there.
“museum of the hind” – WTF?
I want an A99II ! Sony, are you listening??????
I hope this means forking a6000 to a6xxx without IBIS and a6yyy with IBIS. Size and price matters in this sub-$1000 mirrorless segment
A6xxx without IBIS? i wonder then what they can add to not get a A6000 Mk II
In my head a6xxx will remain cheap (~$500), compact and with no IBIS. a6000II would have slightly improved sensor, codecs etc.
The forked version, a6yyy would be bulkier, have IBIS and some other slight improvements and the price would be a bit higher (~$800).
I’d like that.
I wonder if A7 sales are cutting into E mount profits. I mean, 998 for a brand spanking new full frame. If it’s not eating into that segment yet, it will. The lens costs are what is holding it back. Then again, most people never go beyond their kit lens…so.
Well if you buy a body only for £998.00, you kind of have to. :p
Uhh, the A7 *is* E-mount.
Technically, it’s FE, as in Freaking Expensive.
Really? Can you specify another full frame camera (that is new) that is currently selling for under $1000 in the U.S.?
He didn’t say Freaking more Expensive than all other FF cameras. He just said Freaking Expensive, to which point I completely agree.
His phrasing, to me, was not meant to be taken on the terms you believe he meant them to be. Maybe I’m wrong. On relative terms, freaking expensive isn’t really expensive. It’s the going market rate and Sony is wise to pursue the market that yields profits for them (after market sales of additional lenses). As stated above, the market is changing and Sony is changing with the times. As phone cameras continue to improve, you’ll see a further refinement of this strategy.
So he’s saying that expensive is relative. fine. if he could just clue us in to what exactly? to APS-C (Duh)? to other FF? for his pocket?
In my understanding, it’s relative to overall market prices. In which case it is, if you factor in lens costs. Again, i’m not comparing to APSC or FF here, just the median market price of ILC cameras, which the way I see it, hovers somewhere around $700 for the body + up to $300 for the first lens.
So you are comparing FF to APS-C.
Where?
I’m comparing all ILC, which include M43, and taking a median purchase price. The final cost is significantly higher than the median, so that’s where Freaking Expensive comes from in my view.
There are APSC cameras that cost more than some FF. A good APSC camera with a 1.8 lens would cost close to a FF with a 2.8 lens and would perform the same. But again, that comparison is irrelevant in this case.
Where? you’re comparing all ILC’s which include FF, APS-C and M43.
Why won’t you buy a car with a V8 engine and complain that a 4 cylinder costs less. They’re all cars! hey, some 4 cylinder cars cost more than some V8’s!
Edit: Perform the same? I don’t think so. You’re ignoring many factors including cost of manufacturing.
Cost like what?
A 1.8 APSC lens on APSC camera would yield exactly the same results, including noise as a 2.8 FF lens of a FF camera. I don’t give a darn about cost of manufacturing. That is not my problem. My problem is the final consumer price.
And V8 vs 4 banger comparison, really? Sure, lets take your example. A BMW M3, Corvette, MB SL63, Lexus ISF and a bunch of other affordable sports cars are freaking expensive! Why? Because the median price on the car market is hovering at around $30k.
Get it through your head. Median price is all i’m comparing. You seem to like to bring in all kinds of extras. In my original response that was all I said. Maybe you should read up on what median means, before writing the next response.
Jebus, what is wrong with people. Everyone has to turn something simple into something overly complex.
Why don’t you include the wafer cost as well next time. And maybe the factory electricity usage, and employee salaries, and gas they are wasting to get to work.
if you think it’s sensical to compare FF to APS-C and M43 on median price alone, knock yourself out.
it’s sensical to compare the price of an item to a median price in the market, because the median market price is driven by median earnings of a consumer, who’s interested in such a product. Sensor size makes no difference in a cost driven market.
One who considers A6000 price as a maximum they’ll spend on a camera, is not suddenly going to re-consider it for an A7, just because it is the cheapest FF on the market. Regardless of how you spin it, it is still $300+ more and is out of reach of that consumer.
So the logic “it’s cheap, because it’s the cheapest FF” is flawed. It might be cheap for what it does, but it surely isn’t cheap…
You realize that the A6000 is priced below the median price in the mirrorless market. You seem to think that the market is defined by what you are willing to pay, or what supposed number of people are willing to pay for their equipment. People who want full frame will buy full frame cameras. People who want APS-C will buy APS-C. Some people choose the product for price, of course, some people will have a different criteria for selecting their equipment.
I never said Mirrorless either. I said ILC market.
In a perfect world with disposable income – sure, that would work. You want something, you got something. But we dont live in a perfect world.
Point that i’m trying to make is as follows: I want an A99 with 24-70. In fact, I really really want it. But paying 4k is a bit too much to pay for a camera with one lens in my opinion (freaking expensive). So i settle for the next best thing – A77(A65 in my case) with 16-50. A duo for which I paid $1500 a few years back. Cant call that exactly cheap, can you?
We all want Ferraris and Villas, but not all can actually buy them.
Even in the ILC world, the A6000 sells for below the median price. Be that as it may, there is a reason that many of the new ILC cameras being introduced are relatively high end affairs. The A77II at $899 is really well priced, compared to the D7200 or 7DII. There is a shift in the market and I am afraid that prices will be going upwards.
Not true technically as most of the lenses are same price as Canon and nikon full frame variants. Only exception are the primes which are much higher quality than nikon or canon have ….
For Canikon you can get full autofocus Sigmaron lenses for less money.
And there are “cheap” primes from Canon as well, if you don’t want to invest in better glass: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12142-USA/Canon_2514A002_Normal_EF_50mm_f_1_8.html
Factor in Sony depreciation though. It’s horrid.
I think what you are observing is dramatic shift in how cameras are consumed.
The interchangeable lens camera is no longer interesting to the soccer mom.
So Sony and the other vendors are focusing higher up. I think we will see less kit lenses in the future and more advanced lenses and cameras. Perhaps there will still be cheap options to onboard a system but those will cameras like A3000 and A6000 i.e. full fledged enthusiast cameras with some notable deficiencies that push you to higher end products.
Put it in another way the NEX-5 concept is dead or very close to being dead. The assertion that most people use the kit lens is not true any more. RX100 users use the kit lens and A3000 customers buy it to get two or more lenses and other accessories….
I hope they bring touch screen to this new camera. In fact all their cameras should have it by now.
You really like touching that screen, dont you, perv?
You’re too shy to touch a camera screen ?
hahahahahahhaha
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
thank you !
It’s consensual, the screen loves it.
Looking forward to seeing what Sony announces. I’ve been holding out on a replacement for my Sony NEX-5N that I purchased 3.5 years ago to get a new Sony Alpha camera that has both the touch screen and the auto-cropping feature and is more-or-less a proper replacement feature wise for the NEX-5N. I’ve taken over 200,000 photos with my NEX-5N (213,483 according to a shutter count website). While the camera is still going strong, it’s had its fair shares of drops, banging into stuff, etc that I know I’m just lucky that it hasn’t had any serious issues yet.
I take a ton of product photography for my website so if I can get an auto-cropping feature that works semi-decent so that I don’t have to manually crop each photo, it would be a huge time saver. Auto-cropping actions in Adobe products don’t work for me because all of the shots are hand held because of the various angles and close-ups so the subject is not in the same position in each shot.
Touch screen is an absolute must because it is also a huge time saver when you need to focus on a particular place on a subject (such as the face of an action figure).
Not everyone likes touch screens. I think they should offer the option for lower end P&S type cameras, but higher end enthusiast cameras should avoid it.
if you don’t like it, you can switch it off.
Why not just have the ability to disable the touch screen like it has on the NEX-5N? Don’t like the touch screen? Turn it off! But leave the option for those of us who need the touch screen because it makes our lives easier and our photography processes much faster.
I have a side consulting biz where I design touchscreen interfaces for automation processes. Touchscreens make complex workflows perhaps easier, but specific purpose driven user interactions – no, it’s not faster, it’s not easier, it is for consumer market driven casual use. There’s the swiss army knife, bunch of tools and gadgets in one, but then there’s the kitchen block with Wusthof cutting and slicing tools – this ones for vegetables, this one’s for fish, and this one for cutting sausage… etc.. True that technically a camera could just have the “touchscreen off” feature, but in actual practice, you’ll have genius purpose driven design (current Fuji X) or confused engineer driven “let’s do everything” noncommittal design (Tri-Navi for instance, or anything Samsung tries to do in the photography sphere). I would instantly buy an A6XXX that is purpose built to take pictures, not one that requires me to look at an LCD all the time or distracts from the picture taking process by diverting resources to art filters, selfie modes, jump detection, etc…
For a feature that you labeled as intended for a “consumer market driven casual use”, it’s an extremely useful feature for my business that is not “casual use” that greatly increases productivity by not manually adjusting the spot focus for every photo … which is a very tedious and time consuming task when taking hundreds of photos an hour. It’s a bit frustrating when so-called “professional” camera users look down on features like this as well as “consumers” who prefer features like this because they suit our needs or work flow. For a feature that is easily turned off, it seems counter productive to disable this feature on cameras when most of our phones are touch screens and so many other electronics with lcd screens are going to touch screens. Why have a device without such a common electronics feature these days?
There is a very common practice, in many different fields, not just photography, where everyone understands what they need and instantly dismiss other’s viewpoints not their own as silly or trivial. I’m not completely immune to this, and can understand how you would find such a feature useful where I would not (I use autofocus less than manual focus – tend to do some videography, macro work, or just slower composition). I would posit, however, that if you really do want a software development platform that can change as much as you need to and as fast as you want, why build that capability into the body? With modern iOS / Android control options, having a bolt on touchscreen of your own choosing (small, large, wireless) could surely have its benefits and ultimate be more powerful than built into the body, no?
If I understand your post correctly, your concern with a touch screen is that functional controls built into the body are sacrificed for the touch screen feature which I can understand would be as frustrating to someone like yourself as it would be for someone like me who wants the touch screen feature. It’s a shame both options can’t be available in the models and that one seems to be sacrificed for the other.
On my 5N, I actually only use the touch screen for spot focus. I don’t use the touch screen to navigate the menus (which is kind of odd now that I think about it that I do that). I guess old camera habits die hard.
I’m not even sure what the 5N is missing from models without the touch screen. I guess it was nice to have the dial to toggle between the different modes (auto M S A P, etc) but I’ve just gotten used to using the dial to rotate through the options on the screen.
My camera specialty is product photography of Transformers toys on my website and products on our eBay store. I probably take an obsessive amount of photos of each toy but it’s my 30+ year hobby that turned into a job (website started 15 years ago, self employed for 6) so I must be doing something right!
My camera needs are taking photos quickly and many products (some times I’m at an event or trade show where 50 to 100+ new products are revealed and I only have 2 to 3 hours to photograph those new products amongst a herd of similar fans like myself or news photographers). The other aspect of my business are the product photos for my website (each toy gets about 100+ photos each that covers the Transformers toy in-package, in its alternate mode, it its robot mode and all of the comparison photos that I can think of that are necessary to “complete” the gallery) as well as our product photography for items sold in our ebay store.
Essentially I just need a work horse camera that makes my life easy as possible so that I can take as many photos as possible. Shortcuts like adjusting the spot focus via a touch screen is one of those features so that I can take about 10 to 15 photos per minute to cover all of the necessary shots, angles and poses. Quick and dirty!
Few more examples from our eBay store …
And from the set of Transformers 4 when it was filming here in Chicago back in August 2013 … all photographed with my trusty ol’ Sony NEX-5N 😀
Thanks for sharing. Constantly amazed over all the different ways of making money there is.
You have a sausage knife?
clearly it will be the Nex 6.5
But,according to the last rumor,when have to be announced the new A6xxx?
but didn’t they say the same thing when the A6000 was rumored? That it would replace the NEX-7 as well, it seems like the same talk from the past. Regardless, will they finally announce some APS-C lenses?
Many wanted to believe the 6000 replaced the NEX7 — but Sony continued to list and sell and according to some sources build the 7 after the 6000 was released … I put stock in the rumour that the intended replacement for the 7 was delayed, either by technical issues or a desire to include features that weren’t quite ready…
I expect that there will be a new ‘best in class’ APS-C camera, and it will out rank and out price the very capable 6000. Sony is doing well with the 6000, and expanding that market seems an obvious choice.
The recent FE lenses will all work just fine on an APS-C camera, so it isn’t like that market is being ignored — a couple more compact lenses and all but the most whining would have to accept that the line-up is mature, even if not full-some.
Personally I’d like a faster wide (16/1.8) and a faster long zoom (150-250/4) but I’d settle for what’s currently available and versions of the Sigma or Tamron big zooms ….
Your mileage may vary …
Sony has to give some encouraging signs to Sigma and Tamron to make those versions, and I guess these 3rd party manufacturers must have been confused by all the mixed signals about the need for lens-based stabilisation as well as priorities in FF vs. APS-C.
In any case, Sigma says they are going to release more lenses for the e-mount, so let’s hope they do it soon.
I, for one, want a lens that provides decent AF for birding, as well as the reach that is necessary. Adapted lenses mean a compromise – choose Image Stabilisation, and you have to autofocus. Get an LA-EAx adapter, and you better use a tripod.
So basically, you want a Panasonic GM5.
interesting good news ( rumor) if it s not a marketing announcement ;)…. let’s hope it will make this A6xxxx closer in performance to A7 with new sensor and chips ;).
Do you want A6xxx to have slow AF & fps like A7??
LOL not this features but better performance in Low Light, NR, IQ, DR
Yeah, it will.
That’s what sells.
So it’s practically a replacement that’s price tagged higher than the A6000 I assume.
. . .
The only feature that’d make me upgrade from A6000 is in-bidy stabilization so I can get stabilization with legacy lenses.
The Nikon full frame is an older design. It isn’t stabilized. I would think that the new Batis has a good chance to outperform it, but we won’t know till reviews and real world usage reports come out. The 60mm Sigma is in the short telephoto range. Admittedly, Sony could release a cheaper 90mm f2 (class as the 28mm f2 lens) and that would be welcome. Hopefully, it is a full frame optic.
The current version of that Nikon is only about 3 years old. Take that lens (which is great, optically), make it an APS-C (reduce the price a bit), and make it stabilized (increase the price a bit), and release it for E-mount, and I’ll be happy. 🙂
At this point, I hope Sony releases their version of an 85mm optic for full frame. I am sure Zeus will sell quite a few Batis lenses, but if Sony can come out with a cheaper alternative, so much the better. I am not terribly obsessed with APS-C only lenses at this point. I would be happy if the come out with their own fe 85mm at around the Nikon price point.
It will but it won’t replace other models.
It will because the former models will no longer be made.
It won’t because we still need to sell off current inventory of previous models.
all the same