Egami spotted a new Sony patent describing the 28-100mm f/1.8-2.8 lens design for the RX100 series. The good news is that the lens is a lot brighter at the tele end compared to the current 28-100mm f/1.8-4.9 lens used by the RX100/RX100II.
The current RX100II sells a s low as $632 at [shoplink 25977 ebay]6ave eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]. A successor is likely to come the next couple of months!
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This picture shows a 10-36mm f 1.8-2.8
You describe a 289100mm f1.8-2.8
Big difference?
It’s obvious what he meant (10-36mm x 2.7 crop). Is it really worth your time to nitpick about it?
You really want an explanation? 😉
it’s like in movies, there is a part you are supposed to know yourself by imagination.
It’s the 35mm equivalent, factor in the crop factor for the 1 inch sensor.
Then we have to wait about one year for this to appear in reality. More or less 1.5 stop at the tele is a nice addition. Hopefully with XAVC codec and 4K also….
I like this “sells as low as 632$”, just as if that was a gift price for that small thing. A NEX-3N sells 300$ and beats it for a length, is not bigger, and is ILS.
I also wish the RX100 was cheaper, but it is smaller. Once you attach a lens to the 3N, even the 20mm pancake, it no longer will fit in your jeans pocket the way a RX100 will. If you usually have a big jacket pocket or carry a bag, then sure, pick the 3N.
Very nice.
If the lens can perform better on the edges I would love that too!
Most important, though, I would really love if Sony drops the AVCHD standard once and for all and gives us something good with an All Intra codec.
A 24mm equiv would have been nice for next RX camera. A 24-85mm 1.8-2.8 would pretty much cover most casual photo oppertunities. It would make a nice compact vacation camera.
Will they be able to bring the super-fast AF to the RX series?
It should be easier to make fast AF with a smaller 1 inch sensor. Hopefully Sony will use the A6000 tech in the RX100 III or RX200 whatever they name it.
Not much difference with RX100. Maybe during the RX100, RX200 blue print already there. They just to make sure RX100/RX100mk2 sell well before coming out RX200.
Its just a lens patent, not even a camera rumor. What the heck are you complaining about?
And moving telephoto end down to 2.8 is a big difference. RX100 almost instantly begins to drop off the f-stop value, as you zoom in.
Nice & useful upgrade.
I,m be hoping the production of this probably soon to be reveal RX series was manufacture either japan or thailand I’ve been waiting long enough to see the new one was made somewhere I love it to be it premium series should deserve it where its origin gave me a feelings of where its come from. RX100II & RX10 jst hold me back where simply a RX Series I really entrusted into its was made from mainland china. Thousands explanation comes to defend between where its made from is not important due to so many factors and quality control taken into account where they able to product it in any part of the world with the same its been produce in its homeland .
I heard they are essentially hand built. It’s unlikely they will change factories now. If you buy it and feel it was shoddily built you can always return / exchange it.
Definitely going to be upgrading to this one.
The RX100 mki is my pocket camera of choice, ideal for those “I don’t really want to take a camera… but what if” situations.
I recently took mine to Morocco along with my a7r and it got a lot more use than I expected.
Andrea would RX200 imply that Sony are adding one more line of RX cameras? It seems Sony do keep the naming lately and only add letters or number e.g. RX100 III is more likely name
If Sony makes 10-36 mm (but 35mm equivalent) RX camera, I am sold.
Don’t think that will happen. Few people use UWA lenses and the RX100 target audience has even less.
A faster normal zoom lens is what the target audience wants more.
10mm @ 1.8, 35 equiv isn’t possible in a size required for RX100.
I think Jiri is imagining a special use RX camera, ala RX1, with an UWA zoom.
If the patent is just out now…
…it a functioning lens in the next couple months not far too soon?
If there is a successor out in next couple months, I can’t see this patent’s lens on it.
f1.8-f2.8 — in the same dimensions as the RX100 II ? — it will sell like hot cakes. And with built-in EVF — Thank you Sony
If they put a small EVF in the Rx200 I’m def sold. Just keep the overall size off the camera! No need to change the lens if they put EVF in there, they can even skip the tiltable lcd if they need to…
It will sell like hotcakes, if it keeps the price relatively low. Maybe $100 over RX100II.
you are right – the real killer of the RX100/m2 has been the lens – slowing down so quick to F4.9 – like I have said I get better results with my Fuji X-20 at 100mm – and the Fuji X-20 has a bit smaller sensor – but it is F2.0-2.8 and has good glass making a huge difference –
Of course at F1.8 the RX100/m2 is nice – I am likewise hoping that they put in a small EVF like the Panasonic LF1 has – decent quality and adds no real difference to size –
Nice if also EVF and filter ring. And LCD tiltable.
And a APS-C RX10 is also welcome hint hint 🙂
I think APS-C would make the body much larger – m43 size sensor might work without changing the body size much –
I also ditto an EVF – one like is on the Panasonic LF1 – decent in quality but adds no real size to the camera – but Sony will need a ND filter built in with a faster lens
Will it do 4K?
Highly doubt.
The USP of the RX100 is its size, compactness and price. 4k recording will need additional processing power, cooling etc etc which will compromise all 3 USPs.
I’m cool with 1080 if they include s-log 2 and xavcs. That would have a far greater impact on the quality of the video than 4k
don’t get the nonsense about S-log 2 for such a tiny camera that adress to the general public. S-log is a professional tool for videographer and it come with a price.
Even for the alpha 7s it’s an option in my understanding, they stated that the camera can support it but it doesn’t mean it will be embbeded.
I don’t know the price of the S-log 2 but the first S-log for the Sony F4 was an option at 3000$ so stop dreaming about it.
XAVC sure the rest won’t just happen, It’s not the market for.
Pretty pricey to do this; expect internal recording in high end Sony / Nikon / Canon DSLR first and then trickle down in later models.
The RX series seems to be the only thing Sony is doing right at the moment. This camera sounds amazing.
What exactly is wrong about the A7 and A7r? And the RX-1? They’re the best mirrorless cameras on the market. And they make the new Leica T-series look like a pretty aluminum paperweight designed by Apple.
Will it do 8k? Also, I was hoping it would be free.
lol
I like this series of cameras. I just might pick me up one of these.
Why stop at 8k? Why not go straight to 12k, give it a full frame sensor (or even better, medium format), ISO 1 million with no noise, FF Equivalent lens of 8-10000mm constant F0.9, make it about the size of a pack of cards, and sell it for $150. Everyone knows that’s what real photographers want.
SONY, why don’t you listen to real photographers???
I would also much prefer a 24-85mm lens as mentioned above. Don’t think I would trade in my RX100 for a RX200 with 28-100mm. I would definitely do it for a 24-85mm just as the LX5 I sold to buy my RX100.
Please have s-log 2 and xavcs on this camera sony.
bigger sensor please !!! this 1″ you (sony) can put it in your *** (where the Sun don’t shine)…
Since when did you start asking Sony for something? You were a diehard Canon fanboy, not even a week ago…
Sony sucks… Canon is the best… etc.. etc..
Just imagine if this camera had 5 axis image stabilization, S-log 2, XAVCs, and mic and headphone jacks. Would be a revolutionary camera for videographers.
lol, this camera will hever have ibis of any sort, the device for the ibis would make the camera a lot bigger.
Look at the new Olympus SH-1. It has 5 axis and is small. But this lens has OSS which is pretty good so it doesn’t really matter.
SH1 has the sensor, that is 1/2.3, which is more than twice smaller that that of RX100… That plays a huge difference in lens speed, size and size of other components that you can cram in there.
The SH1 will give much better dof in macro shooting, and at the wide end the lens isn’t THAT slow…but at the long end? F6.9 or something like that. ouch. i wonder how well the stabilization works
Sure, DOF at the same ISO, but you can push RX sensor to a higher ISO and stop down the lens, achieving the same result, as far as noise goes. Probably getting better sharpness to, due to a smaller pixel density, which in turn affects the point, at which diffraction sets in.
*Same ISO, same f-stop…
dude the sensor on that camera is tiny, the ibis device takes a lot less space if the sensor is tiny.
If they go 24-85mm, as a lot of people are suggesting, they will probalby have to go slower, definitely at the wider end, e.g. constant f2.8 24-85mm might be achievable without sacrificing size.
why would you want constant f2.8 when even f2 is barely enough for shooting indoors/moving objects at high shutter speed. It should be at least f1.8. All I would like to change in my RX100 is add more zoom and more light at the wide end.
Stop raging and read again what he said…
Going from 28 to 24 mm and keeping f/1.8 might be impossible, if keeping the same overall camera size is the priority.
Pan lx7 is f1.4?!
Sensor size different?!
I was about saying same thing, f2.8 24-85, for video, and plus make it 4k and weather sealed, global shutter, fully articulated touch screen mmmmmwah sony all that for 1000$ everyone would be happy.
Much prefer 24-85 to 28-100 :/
I also prefer wider than longer.
If I was a nature photographer I’d go and get an A7r with a 200mm lens anyway : (
Please Sony, give us full sensor readout for video, S-log2 and XAVCs 🙂
Yes please. S-Log 2 and XAVCs would do wonders for the video.
Fat chance of that happening.
They will probably release another $1.5k camera with those features. The RX100 is popular because of its size, compactness and price.
Full sensor readout, S-log2 etc etc will compromise on all 3 USPs of the RX100.
I would love to see S-log2 and XAVCs (as well as a truly clean HDMI output). I am also desperate for 120fps at 1080p. Been waiting for years for 120fps to show up in reasonably sized cameras.
1) comming in june as rx100 and rx100 II
2) rx100 has crop factor 2.7
so 10-36mm in mark III is 27-97.2 equivalent so a bit wider than rx100
3) video quality is at least equivalent to the top rx10 with of course full sensor readout
4) including a viewfinder would make it an rx10 so propably not
5) sony is lucky that canon screwed canon g1x mark ii video which is full of alising otherwise it would be killer
I know most people know this but…
10-36mm f/1.8-2.8 on 1″ is equivalent to…
27-98mm f/4.9-7.6 (approx) on FF.
Equivalence is about getting the approximately the same field of view, depth of field, shutter speeds and noise on different format sizes. It’s not enough to say just 28-100 (approx).
Also don’t understand why people have to be excited about such a boring configuration with electronic zoom no less.
The happiest people in life is those that find happiness in the smallest things. 🙂
I have plenty of good photos from the RX100 and the newer version has a faster lens which is a step up.
Happiest people are those who think there’s nothing better than what they have.
Thats not true. Such people will become sad if they actually check something better. I used to think that my Sony earphone was the bestest in the world till I heard something better. Then I realized the Sony was crap.
Kept buying and upgrading and buying and upgrading trying to find happiness in sound. Finally realized there is no real end to it and so I stopped buying and accepted what I have. There are plenty of better stuff out there but I am happy with my current headphones and I have no desire to upgrade.
Even though I have spent a decent amount on my headphone system I can still appreciate a cheaper headphone.
your comparison is true for dof and focal length but not for speed obviously. And therefor not for noise as well as lower ISO can be used on the smaller sensor.
I think you missed part where I said noise has to be made equal too.
Please release a compact sized apsc RX cam!
It has almost the same number of lens elements as the RX10 (13 vs 14 – vs 7 RX100) with a big front element.
So it would be quite something if they managed to at least keep it close to the current size when folded.
And hopefully the marketing people will Not keep XAVC-S exclusive to the A7s.
Well, if they squeezed this into an RX100 form factor, I’d buy one.
Any bigger, and I’d stick with my rather fantastic RX100. The RX100 really hit the sweet spot of size/performance.
How did this Egami decide the design is for the RX100, doesn’t seem likely this will fit in the same compact form factor. Could be a new model in the middle, e.g. RX50 28-100mm F1.8-2.8 with slightly bulkier lens and NEX style grip.
Also people have said before that companies scale patents so that they don’t reveal to competitors what they are up to. Could this be for the long awaited APSC RX camera? 16-55mm f1.8-2.8 sounds amazing 🙂
If true then a real nice update – I find my Fuij X20 sometimes do better in low light when zoomed – as it has a F2.0-F2.8 lens at 100mm – so even though sensor a bit smaller the lens speed makes a huge difference –
I expect that Fuij might have a X-30 in the works with a 1 inch sensor which could really challenge X100/2 – and maybe others with a 1 inch sensor –
So I hope this is true – but I wish Sony would also have a Touch LCD – and Touch To Focus and Shoot like Panasonic and Olympus have –
Otherwise the X100/m2 is really nice – and the key is size – I would though sacrifice a bit on the size for a faster zoom lens – so if they have to have the X200 a tad larger then I think that would be worth it with a F1.8-2.8 lens – but of course not much larger as then you are in NEX/A5000/6000 territory –
The RX100/M2 has been the king of the hill in that compact size – but of course the Panasonic GM1 has stolen some customers away – In my case when the GM1 comes out wit In Body Stabilization then I would get one also – but I would also either keep my RX100 or get the RX200 also – as there is always need for that extra small size with zoom – it will take few years before Panasonic will make more very small zoom lenses to match the GM1 – now there is only the kit lens and a prime – in some ways then the GM1 would be more flexible but still will alway be a bit larger then the RX200 with the collapsible zoom lens – but the GM1 would offer a bit better IQ. –
So I am excited to see what else is in the RX200 –
I was not expecting it to be out this year – as I do not think the Fuji X30 will be out until next year – I do have both the X100 and the Fuji X20 and love both – but also have the Olympus Stylus 1 as it has its own place with the 24-300 F2.8 lens although a smaller sensor but it is a back lit sensor – I wish Olympus had made the Electronic Viewfinder smaller and to the side like on the Panasonic LF1 – On point and shoot I feel that the EVF is not as critical and I would be willing to sacrifice on some EVF quality for having it smaller to make the body smaller –
Hopefully the RX200 has an EVF similar to the one on the Panasonic LF1 – so again I would agree on a bit taller body for a faster lens and a decent EVF –
Of course the biggest downside of the RX100/M2 was the lens speed when zoomed at F4.9 as it seems that it is at 4.9 at around 50-60mm –
So Sony has a buyer if rumor is true