Sony A7s should have same body design as A7 (image on top shows current A7).
Over a month ago I got a rumor about a new Sony FE camera. I was pretty sure it wouldn’t come any time soon but I proved to be wrong! Within a couple of hours I got confirmation via five(!) trusted sources that Sony worked on a very secret kept project. And this brand new camera will be unveiled on Sunday (April 6) in Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!! I will embedd the live stream on SAR!
UPDATE: A7s will be unveiled live at 2pm in Las Vegas (on Sunday). You cna follow the live video stream on SAR!!! This is the time in other time zones:
– 5pm New York time on Sunday April 6
– 10pm (22:00) London time on Sunday April 6
– 11pm (23:00) Berlin time on Sunday April 6
– 6am (06:00) Tokyo time on Monday April 7
I am continually working to try to grab some specs. All I can tell you for now is that the camera name is “A7s“. It’s not a Silver A7 as some suggested 🙂 And it will not replace the A7 or A7r. It’s a brand new Full Frame Emount camera. Only few know about it and that’s why it is hard to get specs. So please be patient and follow SAR via RSS feed (Click here), Twitter (Click here) or Facebook fan page (Click here) to not miss any rumor that will be posted between now and the announcement!
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Great Mystery!
Well it’s a matter of two days.
So if it will not replace a7 and a7r it’s logic to suppose that it will be “Speed/Sport” ~16 MPX camera with perhaps stabilized matrix for super-speed bad light shooting…
But if so (a7s 16 or 18 MPX, 9 fps / a7 24 MPX / a7r 36 MPX) it will be a conflict with further A77II !!!
I think it’s between A7 and A7r.
Speed/Sport or Silent
I am guessing it’s 32mp with A6000 AF and 4K VIDEO.
more likely 24mpx A7 sensor (otherwise there would be no more reason to buy A7R) + A6000AF + 4K video. I buy it directly if this is the case..
adi, that would be a DREAM… doubt it!!!!!
OK, is this the dead of the A-mount …….= to many E-mount camera’s ….??
I think no. 1/2 year will be for aX systems (from autumn 2013 – spring 2014): a7, a7r & a7s. Next will be 1/2 year of aXX cameras for the Fotokina explosion with A77II and SONY A99II…
Oh come on, Sony, FF A-Mount already for f***’s sake!
At Mirrorless rumor …… it is said there is unique feature that no other manufacturer has made before ….
Maybe it comes with an umbrella mount? 🙂
Maybe it comes with an electric tape to fix the light leaks?
Hope not have Light Leak and Shutter vibration is coming true a7S
XAVC-S… Stablized… Sensor Shift…
I am guessing a sports-camera with great AF and ~16 megapixels. Seems like what the line is missing.
Agree. A7R + A7S make a great combo and regular A7 for those that want a bit of everything.
Makes sense. But then why is it such a big secret?
A7S(LT).
I got it. It’s a normal A7 but with a built in flash. Yeah I think it is
A7 “Strobe”
Admin… Is a77m2 still on track, or as previously happened, was there naming confusion, and the a7s is the a77m2?
A-mount still definitely coming next month?
no, a-mount is dead, sorry.
There is probably no reason to go less than 24MP as FF is not going to be as fast FPS as the A6000 (slower moving shutter) but it will be a bit more than the A7. And it will probably cost as much as the A7R.
Hey, how about A7S being an APS-C camera!
That would be the real NEX7 replacement!
Could be.
Won’t be.
More confusing naming?
Best guess is the D4S uses a new Sony sensor, that sensor is about to appear in an A7 but with PDAF.
I tell the same – A7s: D4s sensor 16 MPX + 4K + A6000 AF
I’m hoping for a camera with a B/W sensor, but Leica already have such a camera, so it wouldn’t be unique, as per the report on Photorumours. With NAB about to start, I will suggest it will be a 4K FF camera, which will be unique, but not of interest to me.
Not unique, Canon has the 1DC.
Ok then does the S stand for stacked sensor? It can’t be square due to the lack of lens coverage. The only other option I can think of is the shifting sensor which gives AF with any mounted lens, now that would be unique 🙂
A7 ‘Sorry’… Free to all A7 users 😉
A7r, r equals Resolution.
A7s, s equals Speed? This seems likely as most of the focus seema to be on speed lately. Most likely dual or quad Bionz X processor for ultra fast AF & high speed burst. 10 fps with AF tracking.
Yep, most likely. Weird to come out at NAB though.
I don’t think the body could fit quad…
multy Bionz X processor for ultra fast AF & high speed burst. 10 fps with AF tracking with 36 MPX (dual Bionz X processor) or 54 MPX (quad Bionz X processor) – it will be on A99II
WHY THE HELL THEY ARE RELEASING ANOTHER CAMERA AND NOT MORE LENSES?????
WHERE THE HELL IS A WIDE ANGLE ZOOM?????
complete worthless piece of shit system with just 5 lenses.
HORRIBLE!
Do you need a 21mm lens with superb optics? Go buy yourself a X-E1 and the Fuji 14/2.8.
That’ll cost you about 1000usd. A Zeiss 21mm would’ve cost at least that much anyway and that Fuji glass is on par with the best 21mm DSLR lens of all, Zeiss Distagon.
those are primes and not zooms so they are worthless for my line of work. also don’t have image stabilizer
also X-E1 is full frame right??? (NOT!)
if I wanted a prime I would just use an adapter since primes are very light and small. very far from ideal but usable.
TRY having a wide angle zoom on a A7? get an huge and expensive LA-E4 adapter + another huge and expensive 16-35mm F2.8. costs even more than the much better 14-24mm F2.8. Defeats the whole purpose of a MIRRORLESS FULL FRAME! it’s more heavier and big and expensive than a dslr equivalent.
IF you really need a wide angle zoom, then you’re right. However, it’s not really relevant whether the camera is FF or not at that FOV. X-E1’s low light performance is on par with almost any FF camera anyway. DOF is also mostly irrelevant.
That’s a lot of uninformed rubbish… fuji uses sony sensors, right? Their x trans has an even greater imbalance between greens and the other two channels.
please no sensor size discussion. it’s too absurd. if quality was the same there would be no full frame sensors or bigger and everyone would shoot with micro four thirds or smaller. makes no sense.
And I’ve actually tried a D600 with a 14-24mm F2.8 side by side by with a NEX-6 with a 10-18mm F4 OSS and they are not even in the same league.
anyway it’s too stupid for sony to release another camera when they don’t have lenses for it. I mean, 2 normal zooms with the same focal length + 2 similar primes 35mm and 55mm and a F4 tele that only goes to 200mm? It’s just ridiculous what a poor choice to start with.
Of course they’re not. That 10-18mm is not in the same league as Nikon’s excellent 14-24. However, you can really compare that Fuji 14mm with any 21mm lens you want to. DOF will be mostly irrelevant, as I’ve said and Fuji’s sensors are also quite good in low light, color and dynamic range.
Again, I’m not comparing sensor sizes, I’m just comparing a particular lens/camera combination.
“Best 21mm dslr lens of all”… as compared which other 21mm dslr lens? Zooms? 🙂
Zeiss 21mm f/2.8? Go to Photozone and compare it to Canon’s and Nikon’s 20/21mm offerings. Seriously, try it.
The point is no one else is competing with high end primes at 21mm other than Zeiss. The 21 Distagon is a good lens but it isn’t their best attempt.
Aside from the mustache distortion, Zeiss’s own 25/2 is a faster and cleaner lens. Canon, Nikon, Samyang and Leica all have very good 24/1.4s for those who need speed. Leica has the 21/1.4. Canon has the TS-E 17L and TS-E 24L II for anyone serious about landscapes in the wides and those two absolutely wipe butts with the 21 Distagon… the catch is of course most ppl are clueless about using tilt/shift for functional benefits.
The 21 Distagon is a lost cause.
I’ve used Canon’s 24/1.4 and it’s a completely different kind of beast. Huge (and you need another huge body to mount it on) but tack sharp and gives a unique look as it can give a shallow DOF even at such a wide FOV.
TS-E lenses are also not for most uses. I’d love to have the 17mm as I shoot architecture as part of my job but I’d also love to mount it on to a modern sensor, which Canon does not really offer at the time.
That 21mm, that is a good street lens for me and nothing really comes close to that. Almost every other lens is a) too big, b) too expensive, c) both d) not really impressive.
The 24 1.4L II isn’t noticeably different in size to a heavy metal 21 Distagon. I’ve owned the Mk I and got the Mk II as soon as it came out. Mk II is a more all-round lens because it does both shallow DOF and stopped down very well. Mk I was only good for wide open.
I often use the TS-E 17 and the TS-E 24 II on my a7r. They’re both excellent at 36MPs. Now I use Sonys for the bodies and Canon (or whoever) for lenses. More freedom that way.
I can see how a 21 distagon can be used for street stuff. Like I said, if 21 is what you need there aren’t any other real options out there… that way it makes sense.
Sorry, I meant “that 14mm is a good street lens for me”. Not the Distagon, that qualifies as c) both 😉
TS-E 17mm and A7R would be the holy grail, sadly I own the A7 (Still better than anything Canon offers at any price range for architecture work).
Well, you could get the Zeiss 12mm too and I doubt you’d be disappointed.
For being such a power user, what do you use now?
I use a mix of a nex-6 with a 10-18mm and a D600 with a 16-35mm F4 VR. I like the D600 and appreciate all those options but sometimes it’s just too big. So I use a nex-6 sometimes but it’s so inferior.
I’m unhappy with both.
A7 sounds just perfect. I’ve tried one. Absolutely love it. JUST NEEDS LENS FOR IT otherwise it’s just worthless.
A7 ‘Super 35’? A7 ‘Steadycam’? A7 ‘Super Slow Motion’?
A7s is nothing related to fast AF. This would kill a6000 a7 and a7r sell.
Not really. A7R for Resolution with over 2x the res, A7 as cheap ‘basic’ FF mirrorless and A7S for speed. Fits in perfectly with their lineup.
The A6000 costs half as much as the A7. You either want FF or you don’t. Those that don’t will buy the cheaper camera.
If A7S does mean speed, it will likely be priced at A7R levels. Take your choice – speed or resolution. A7 will remain the cheapest option, so will remain a popular to those who have no need to shoot with ultra fast AF and high FPS. The A7 is no AF slouch as it is.
Not if it’s a 24MP at the same price as the a7r.
-Square sensor
-Completely silent
-IBIS
-APS-C
-No EVF
-Monochrome
-No screen (Since the EVF sensor is overly excited anyway, it usually makes sense to turn the rear screen off altogether anyway. SONY!!! PLEASE, WE WANT A FIRMWARE UPDATE!!!)
-Native 4k sensor with a base ISO of 800
Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but Sony’s whole theme at NAB is 4K.
S for some much needed speed…but would be at the expense of resolution since it’s not replacing the a7r…
Such a shame since Sony only has limited resources and it’s diverting it to marginal improvements.
The S is just a random letter, just like the 5n, 5t, 5r…
R is for Resolution not random
Those are all different generations, since this is model is successor to none, it’s probably named another way.
It’s not random.
N secoNd
R thiRd
T fourTh
I juste realized why they dropped the Nex name :
fifTh would have been nex-5T too : nonsense ! :o)
I agree. R for Resolution. S for Speed.
R stands for Removed low pass filter
No it doesn’t.
Better speed and maybe better jpeg processing…
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admin, do you have something about the Apple iWatch?
Lol!
A7sports?
Super steady stainless steel?
A rapid new release most likely will be to address problem areas with current cameras. There are 2 glaring issues with the current FE cameras – the shutter of A7r (why I bought A7), and the AF of both. These are both sensor-related issues, so I think new camera with new sensor. Global electronic shutter, more focus points, and camera itself with new AF algorithms. This would make A7s top dog, so means Sony would likely have made these changes to the 36mp sensor. That mean the end of the A7r, pricing for A7s higher than A7r, and perhaps new lower price for A7.
Well, my trusted source did confirm, it is based on a SSD drive. it stores the photo’s on a newly developed 64gb Solid State Drive card. He did not wanted to say any thing about the sensor size & types.
What would be the point in that?
Video?
with 4k video writing to memory card could be a bottleneck, an internal SSD would solve that…
Panny’s GH4 can write 4K to (fast) SD cards, no probs.
If Sony want a higher bitstream than Panny, a SD card could be to slow?
…and a 64GB SSD would then be too small.
the UHS-II cards support 95MBps (750 mbps) XAVC is 200-500 Mbps I believe.
Mbits, not Mbytes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAVC#Hardware
That’s what I wrote, the UHS-II cards are more than enough for sony’s XAVC codec
Understood – I wasn’t sure if you meant M/bits or MBytes. You wrote MBps, then mbps, then Mbps.
ehhh, Punctuation is overrated. MBps and Mbps are the tech world abbreviations.
There is nothing wrong with fast/large SDHC cards when it comes to video.
solid state drives are the same tech as existing memory cards which are solid state
A7s? Perhaps the real name of the A77 replacement with aps c sensor and 32 mp. Just my 2 cents. Lol
2 exactly the same posts with no information… will wait… at least, if you know, is the form factor the same like existing A7 cameras or they decided to prettify it (no offence to current users meant)
No, not exactly the same. The first post was we don’t know any specs is an SR4. Now it’s an SR5 we don’t know any specs. ;^)
I see what you did there 🙂
Isn’t the sr rating related to certainty rather than spec?
So we have all these ‘slam dunk’ sources saying it’s real but not a single one of them knows what the heck it is? Really? Sony corporate is such a clown act. I’m amazed they make money. Truly.
I don’t see the relation between rumor sources and Sony corporate? And money making?
s for “speed”? Finally made decent sequential rate and fast focusing, a la a6000?
what if S stands for sloth and you will get small sloth toy?
maybee a greyscale monochrome black and white sensor A7R camera?
I guess it is monochrome A7 heard from my friend.
Sounds legit.
It’s being announced at NAB. A video-oriented a7, most likely.
Admin: Before the announcement of A7/A7R, you were mention 3 different sensors being tried out. 24MP, 32MP and 36MP.
It could be that 32MP sensor camera that was axed and resurrected after looking at all the feedback on the A7/7R.
Any info on the price tag? This will indicate where this A7S will be placed (above A7R, perhaps?).
A 18×3 (54) mp foevon type of camera. that would be someting!
that would be something i would consider to buy… but waiting for quattro from sigma (love the output from my dp2m)
Even according to Sigma, there’s no huge improvement in the quattro over the regular one in terms of resolution. Not sure even with the quattro whether foveon will be competitive in the ISO department. In fact, I expect little to no improvements in the colour accuracy department… hopefully it won’t be worse because it has severely reduced green and red layers.
one stop improvement according to them – that’s good enough for me, b&w is fine @1600, but for colour i dare to go above 400 and usually stick at @100/200
strange, my response disappeared… never mind, i’ll try again: according to them improvement should be at least 1 stop in terms of ISO performance. that should be good enough for me as current dp2m can be used at 1600 for b&w but with colour i don’t go over 400, mostly 100/200. would like to know though, if hoodman 3 loupe would work on it.
If it’s good enough then that’s good. Sigma doesn’t need to fool around with quattro and draw at straws to squeeze little gains out while possibly compromising what ppl get foveon for in the first place, if they go full frame.
I’m very skeptical about the quattro colour quality because of the heavily reduced green and red components.
still not enough info there about the sensor itself. what we know is that we have 3 layers where the top one is luminance layer and the other two should take care of colour -> original suggestion that each layer actually represents a colour was wrong and been discussed to death over at dpr
My guess is that it is the A7r with the new (fast) focus system – which would make it a replacement for the A7r.
Sony has to release a full-frame with their new, fast AF – it’s a great competitive feature!
But since the A7r was only release 6 months ago, of course Sony can’t position this camera as a ‘replacement’.
Still, releasing it and the new tech. is the right thing to do.
Customers – please don’t hate Sony because this tech was available sooner than expected
Sony – please offer existing owners a generous upgrade / trade-in option
I will go with that trade in option- not just for the A7R but for most of the Sony cams. 🙂
My guess 😉
-S stand for Speed
-Hybrid AF system similar as the a6000
-Up to 7 frame-per-second continuous shooting with AF
A7S: Super Sexy Speedy Sequential Silent Shock-less Shooting Stabilized Sony Sports System. Now everybody should be satisfied, except the 4K guys…
Yep, please 4k 😉
I think the Sony will correct the problem of the light from the lens ring of the attack, and nothing more.
Yes, because Sony would officially announce a product with no extra/alternative features that simply fixes a problem.
The problem of infiltration of light was bad enough, I think this is a valid reason to make a new model (see nikon 610). There may be some other changes, but nothing revolutionary, I believe.
Seriously? “bad problem”? Get real! Who shoots ISO 25,600 with 30 second exposures while concentrating a light on the lens mount. Maybe 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000. Yup HUGE problem! NOT!
forgive my English …… where the light passes through the water also passes ……. the water on the sensor are bitter cabbage ……
This is so true.
…..quiet ….. and only on sites that they had not spoken.
S stands for screw you guys who bought the A7 6 months ago. I’m going to wait for two years and buy the new model after it’s discounted severely. The A7r is fantastic as is.
Screw me, I bought my a7 two weeks ago!! So secretly I hope this is no big improvement Haha
Still looking for that > 33% drop. So, I have not bought it. 🙂
Isn’t there a 4 weeks return privilege with your purchase?
probably not, not without losses like paying shipping or something back to korea from new zealand
No problem, got my A7 yesterday…
stack sensor?
single-chromatic ?
speed?
I wonder if it will have the a6000 ultra fast tracking AF ?
this is what i’m hoping. if it is, i will switch from Canon 5D mark III. the small factor and EVF plus the hybrid AF of the A6000(hopefully) sold me out.
One unique feature. I was hoping for a bit more than one unique feature. What doesn’t the A7 have that would warrant the release of a third camera in such a short time? 4k video? Maybe. S for stabilization? I will be interested since in the year of the proclaimed A-mount our first announcement is yet another FF e-mount. I guess it is time to get one, maybe. At least sony doesn’t make it difficult selecting which lens I want since there are too few of those.
I jumped to sony for the a7r and I’m getting great shots… But I need lenses!! Sony, stop bringing out new cameras and give us lenses. I only need one body after all. I would like a fast telephoto for portraits and a decent wide angle (21mm would be perfect), even if it is slow.
The more bodies come out, the less my a7r is worth for resell.
Nicolas
Cameras aren’t investments.
whoever pays for them decides that (hint: infinite number of Leica’s limited editions)
Sony cameras certainly aren’t.
And that’s not what the poster was talking about anyway.
This is your post from January 10, 2014, it’s all make sence.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-to-launch-a-full-frame-black-and-white-sensor-camera/
square 32x32mm sensor?
square should be 24×24
is it right?
no. The image circle of fullframe lenses covers at least 32x32mm. Your mis-assumption is based on an oval lens projection, and I never heard of that before.
:))
24×24 base on film 35mm. Sensor could be larger.
No and no… the largest square sensor that can potentially be covered by a FF lens is 30.59×30.59mm. That is provided that the lens doesn’t have a baffle in the back that covers things.
If it is being announced at NAB then surely it must be an A7 optimized for high quality video. Maybe 4K or just 1080, but with a professional bit rate, hence the use of an internal SSD.
Sony knows they are losing out to Panasonic for video enthusiasts, so maybe this is their answer.
I certainly hope so 🙂
Price in Singapore for RX10 having offer, I didn’t buy as I got RX100 and wondering will there be a RX10 mark 2 soon or not. A6000 price was low, I about to pre order but I didn’t. Now this piece of news out, I wondering, would there be a new FF A-mount soon? 36MP is what I hoping for, with tons of features found nowadays. 😀
A full-frame NEX-VG30E?
stabilizer!
stabilizer would be awesome but I bet on speed since they have done it in the A6000.
I’m personally willing to bet the s stands for speed with the AF capabilities similar to the a6000
It could also stand for silent or stacked sensor but I’m not too sure if the former is very likely
s = silent, vibration free shutter… 😉
full electronic shutter maybe since its all new tech?
S for speed or sport like A 6000 AF obvious, isn’t it…
I was dubious about this rumor but since SAR is so sure and I’m reminded of NAB, the 1 feature is likely Sony’s engineers fixed the a7’s 4k overheating issues.
Since there is only 1 feature to announce it makes sense why the Sony marketing department I love to hate is stringing SAR along in such a bad way. :^(
Th thing is S could stand for many things, most likely
Speed, but could be
Second version
Stabilised
Silent
Special
Stupidly low priced 🙂
Sunday version 🙂
Or nothing. What did the R stand for in 7r or N in 5n?
Resolution
New
R stands for resolution. For example the A7R is called like that because it’s the high-res version of the A7.
in NEX 5R?
The 5R had better resolution than the 5 🙂
it’s like stopped clock displaying correct time twice per day.
Somebody explained the Nex-5 names in the comments :
N : secoNd
R : thiRd
T : fourTh
And then, they had to drop the nex name, because the fifth would be also a T 😉
Monocrome or video oriented- probably the latter. Might be a good time to announce the death of A-mount since that’s what it feels like.
If it’s stabilised, I’d be tempted to leave the a-mount behind…
I need a DSLR sized body before I do that. I shoot with an olympus EP5 and have attached my alpha glass just for fun via adaptor. Well, the thing is the EP5 is about the same size as the A7. It’s ackward and sucks with longer lenses. Take for instance the 135mm 1.8- just rediculous on my camera with no tripod color and thick ass focusing ring. It’s just not pratical which is how I feel for most lenses on the A7. They haven’t released a DSLR pro e-mount sized body because they don’t want to piss off a- mount users yet. But, come on guys…..we all know its going to happen.
The year of the A mount is turning into the year of the E mount.
This would be tollerable to A mount users if the systems were made fully compatable.
By that I mean two things…
Full high speed function with both A mount and non Sony lenses..comparable to native E mount without a mirror adapter…
And Ibis..or at least a version with IBIS.
These two features would allow a painless transition from A to E mount.
Of course including a hybrid z shifting mechanism would add even more functionality.
If Sony really wants to convert us all to E mount then give A mount users a painless way to make the transition.
At least the A77 II will be for us A-mount folks.
After that they could get me to spend again with a FF camera with all the features you describe above. I will need a way to use all my FF a-mount glass in the the FF mode in any camera I buy beyond the A77 II APS-C, assuming the A77 II is all I hope for and is as described here on SAR.
You are also assuming an A77 ii is coming. Year of the Amount… LOL…. cry.
Gosh, I’ll be one disappointed guy if Sony does not announce the A77II next month! I was ready to order the A77 until I read the rumor about II here on SAR. I put my credit card away and decided to wait for the new model.
The year has just started, I remain hopeful.
I too want an a7II but only if it is a real improvent over the a77.
The latest rumor was dissapointing.
Why build another same old camera AND keep us waitng 2 years for it?
The rumored super fast focus is what caught my attention. I need all the auto-focus speed I can get to capture my hummingbirds.
I still am hoping for that plus 32mp
Hoping the latest sar rumor turns out to be wrong and it is not 24mp.
At least the stacked 54mp ff is on the way and will be fast and mirrorless..but it wont be soon.
I hope your wish comes true; it makes sense. If Sony replaces one model with another and bumps up the price we can assume there will be some significant improvements. For now we do not know what changes will be made. Hopefully we will know in about a month.
sink, people, sink! what could the s stand for?
A7stablized?
No.
So what do you think it will be?
Probably Speed. But Sony will probably surprise/disappoint us (take your pick) and do something completely unexpected.
Why don’t you phone your Sony buddy back and ask for some more info?
Why call Sony
Cant I belive what you tell me?
Well you are the one in cahoots with Sony Executives. It’s whether we believe you that is the issue. I’m simply guessing.
Lotus
Please wait for part 2 before responding
Lets clear this up
2 days ago in the 24mp a77II post I outlined the roadplan I was prediting since 2012 and 2013.
You will see that EVERYTHING i have been predicting in that roadplan has up till now been correct.
Recently I had a single one time conversation with sony and some info I was given actually contradicted what I was saying.
I chose to share ALL of that info with sar despite KNOWING that you and some others would critisize me for doing so.
Rumors are by thier nature imperfect. You and a few others like yourself relentlessly tear apart every detail you possibly can and try your best to discredit anyone who dares to share a rumer that may not meet your standard of perfection.
As a DIRECT RESULT of those comments by you and others like you admin is unwilling to share rumers with us when they first come out because by thier very nature they will not be perfect and he will be mercilessly critisized for them.
This merciless destructive criticism only discourages people from sharing and does nothing to help sar..it hurts sar..
So PLEASE be less destructive and more supportive in your comments. It will be to all of our advantages.
Oh Barry, please get a grip. I have never criticised admin or this site, and I appreciate most of what he posts.
However, I have no reason to believe that either the conversation you claim to have had with a “Sony Executive”, your words, was actually with an executive at all, or that it happened at all. Unfortunately, most of your contributions and agendas are based purely around your own selfish desires for a perfect Barry camera, so I suspect that the conversation you had with Sony has either been embellished or even invented to serve yourself.
You are in absolutely no position to judge how or what anybody should be posting or contributing. If anything, you should refer to your own conduct in terms of how you spam this message board effectively repeating the same thing over and over again, and with regard to how you rudely demand information from SAR. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Panasonic will be showing their new GH4, which is going to get a ton of press.
This might be Sony’s way of stealing their thunder!! An A7 with 4K designed to compete with the GH4 but with FF 4k?
Holy crap. If that happens, it will be dagger in Panny’s heart!!
of course that would be awesome, but highly doubtful. the gh4 is 80% video and 20% photo, as a still camera, neither innovative or impressive. The A7/r series are much better balanced fusion cameras, imho.
FF with pixel binning at 4K@30p and 1080@120p with AF like on the A6000 would be a killer. Will never happen though.
That would be awesome, right? But ONLY if Sony improves on their capture codec.
My A99, A57, NEX5n and VG20 all shoot attractive video (sadly A99 is the worst of the bunch on video quality). However, with the exception of color content and shadow detail, the Panny GH2 far exceeds them in all other video categories. My GH3 exceeds them in EVERY video category for IQ (although Sony’s peaking still provides a far more accurate and pleasurable manual focusing experience than the non-peaking GH3).
One proud Sony exception to video IQ: The RX10. IQ on video rocks. The benefits gained from capturing the full sensor image without line-skipping are huge. I mention this because I think I heard the GH4 also does not line-skip.
Sony is entirely capable of striking that dagger in Panny’s heart. But not without codecs that compete with GH3/GH4 and/or 5Diii.
Oh, and damn it Sony, lose the annoying 29 minute limit already. If Canon can do it, so can you. How old is the GH2 and its FOUR HOUR file cap?
Or ditch the in camera codec concept. clean, uncompressed 4:4:4 (perhaps even 4k) output from a full sensor readout to any external encoder/recorder you want. We’re talking about serious video production after all, no need for an all in one package that is handy for home video.
I’d love to see the (already clean) output improved, but ditch in-camera altogether? Believe it or not, there are actual “serious” jobs out there where attaching external recorders is impractical, for example multi-camera event and concert coverage where space or setup time is limited, among others.
“No need” might apply to you, your workflow and client base. But to think it applies to everyone, and THEN imply that those who need comparable processing latitude found years ago in competing cameras lack being serious about their work shows a staggering lack of empathy.
Well, I guess Panasonic FINALLY listened to all of those soccer-moms shooting home video who’d been screaming for 72mbps All-I compression when they released the GH3. Now soccer-moms and other home video enthusiasts can rejoice at the offerings in the coming GH4.
I can’t imagine that happening.. those would be data rates that even the most spec’d systems would struggle with.. not to mention, as of 1 week ago there wasn’t a single external 4K recorder that can attach via HDMI -at all- let alone a 4K recorder than can handle RAW 4:4:4 sensor output– that’d be like 1TB/20 minutes, or more. Codecs serve a purpose, and in the pro world they use 600mb/s XAVC codecs (for e.g.) to handle 4K video just fine. Or look at the R3D codec. It’s brilliant.
“That would be awesome, right? But ONLY if Sony improves on their capture codec.”
Not just codec – they should get rid of line skipping. And somehow I do not see them reading out the whole 24mpix FF sensor at 30 fps.
A7shift…z shift hybid mount plus IBIS?
Double no.
Its a 24MP 4k sensor stabilized video cam that only records in black and white, and takes no stills at all! 😉
Wow! rolling out another version within 6 months of releasing a7/r? I wonder what features this a7s will bring…..maybe “s” stands for speed as in the focusing speed similar to the a6000?
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s stands for “speed” as in “speed of replacement”. 🙂
A7 stacked sensor?
Too soon surely, thought all that was coming next year? My
money is on this being the FF ‘Sport’ camera we have heard about, which means
it is probably a high burst rate version of the A7 with enhanced buffering and
low light /high ISO performance.
…… using the same 16MP sensor as in the Nikon D4S.
Sony does a very good job in hiding their cameras/projects from SAR
Oh Boy, a new camera! Now I can sell my A7r for $50.00 and be happy.
If you’re looking to get rid of that old piece of junk, I guess I could take it off of your hands for…say…20 bucks. That sounds reasonable considering it’s old tech right? Wouldn’t want it cluttering up your house and all. Just tell me where to send the money.
I suppose with the state of the current camera industry we all have to have a sense humor like you guys. I’m sure will be able to send our cameras and have them replaced with the newer model like the Nikon D600/610. I probably should have listened to the people who know better on this forum, who said “never buy a version 1 camera”.
Honest question…Are you really unhappy with the photos your taking and the camera itself, or are you just unhappy that they’re bringing out a new edition? If it’s the latter, you have to realize that all tech is replaced eventually, and if the camera is taking pictures which you like and you mostly enjoy it, a new version shouldn’t change that. I think you have to go into any camera purchase these days with the mentality that the only investment you’re making is in yourself.
I give you $100
My sources told me it’s an A7 with a full tilting screen.
The S stands for “Selfie”.
why not s for super 35mm (aps-c) with 4k video mode
Sony A7 Shift z axis sensor.
“S” for Sport?
S = small, without the hump
Haha, good one
I just hope this is the a7r with the new af system instead of the a7 with the new af system.
Hardware-only firmware upgrade?
Sony — Can we get some more native lenses first? Like when NEX was introduced, we saw some great amazing cameras, but few high-quality lenses that made the system compelling. I want an FE wide-angle zoom!
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they are so stupid. how they want to sell the A7 if people need lenses?????? some people don’t buy it for the single reason that there isn’t a wide angle zoom.
b-but muh adapters!
that is so stupid, if I’m using adapters then why get the A7? it will get much bigger havier more expensive and have a crippled performance.
it loses all the benefits of a full frame mirrorless. much better to get a dslr instead.
WE NEED LENSES!
Unfortunately, most people are more interested in new cameras than new lens. The NEX system is the only one where I literally bought more camera bodies than lens (not including the kit lens that comes with the bodies).
Lenses take much longer to develop than a camera and in the long run always outlast camera bodies. So I think we will just have to wait a bit longer but in my opinion the moment they decided to make A ff e-mount they should have been working on a 85 and a ff version of the 50mm oss and maybe the 35 1.8 so people would have options. I love the 55mm and 35mm but they cost a lot
“S” does not have to be anything sensible in English. Did “3N”, “C3”, “5N”, “5R”, “5T” make sense?
“5N”, “5R”, “5T” did. Look for Dbms explanation, in these comments.
I have seen it. If so, why then 3-C3 – F3 – 3N ?
is ths actually supposed to be some new model because im reading it as just an update to the current A7 but with the A6000 AF speed.
Why is that “all you can tell us”
Isn’t this a rumor site where when you get a rumor, you post it? If you have the information, then just post it.
Or else just call this a news site where you report on things that have already been reported elsewhere.
good point
There is a rumor that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Andrea doesn’t want to upset Sony too much. The leak is good because it will cause “Alpha” people to watch NAB in a way that they normally wouldn’t do.
I’m sure this is a Sony intended leak.
It MUST be a 4K video addition. There is not other reason to announce consumer product supported by the Alpha division at NAB. This is a “Pro / broadcast / ENG” show.
Will it scan 4K 16×9 from the APS-C crop or from the FF sensor width?
Will HDMI out be locked when set to 4K? (like the AX100)
In order to compete with the GH4, Sony will need to give this the full 8 bit XAVC codec package with 100Mbp/s. 60Mbp/s only wont cut it.
So,…I guess we re going to have the Alpha consumer department guys flying into to Vegas. I wonder how much they will know about it on day 1.
Wow……I might return my AX100 before the deadline expires.
Since it will be announced at NAB , it will probably be video oriented 😮
If this A7s is truly intended to complement the A7 / A7r and not replace either of them, then it must have lower resolution (say 16MP), and offer a high speed continuous shooting (say 10fps).
>2014
>16 MP
>Sony
Doesn’t make sense. Why should A7s has less MP?
If this is a 4K version I’m going to be all over it, I was just going to order an FS700 + GH4 I wouldn’t have to get the GH4 that way. 🙂
This would be awesome! I will be there on Sunday. Should be a fun show.
Who is your PR contact? I’ll be in Vegas and would love to go as well.
hes a famous photographer youtuber ;p
Perhaps an all electronic shutter to stop the shutter shock? or 4K video?
all electric shutter is what im hoping for so we can have super fast sync speeds!!
That assumes a global shutter and not a scanning electronic shutter. Although a scanning shutter Mays still be an improvement in sync speeds.
If this has global shutter it’ll probably be sold as a pro-grade video-centric camera, something like the 1D-C. The price could go way up…Though I just might save for it since I really enjoy shooting silently and simply hate the noisy 7r shutter.
“S” is just the next letter after R in the alphabet…… Replacement for A7/A7R or not, A7S should definitely address issues seen in its predecessors, e.g. light leaking, shutter vibration….
Pretty obvious what the ‘s’ stands. Just remember that new features don’t make your old camera worthless… maybe worth less, but not worthless.
Have to commend Sony on such quick additions/updates to the range. I wish Leica could work like this.
so 4k that is.. great for video shooters meh for all others…
24mpx with out aa end
Wow, I´m really impressed (although we don´t know the specs yet). How would such a camera be different from the A7 and A7r?
So, is this A7s the same camera you thought was probably coming out at 5-6 months from now, likely at Photokina (http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-new-full-frame-e-mount-cameras-to-be-launched-within-the-next-5-6-months-likely-at-photokina/ )?
Or is this A7s camera different from that rumored for Photokina?
where are the fast prime lenses annoucement?
May is what’s been said.
Has 4k…so AA’s probably there for good.
Talk about feeling cheated. I do hope they bring at least 30 fps 2,5k to the A7r then.
I can see how this would fit in between the two models, but not having 4k on the a7r would be outrageous too. Especially when the a7r haven’t even been out for 8 months…
it is always wise to skip the first generation electronics from Sony. I am very interested in this camera, however 24-70 f4 got pretty poor review, and I will wait till the release of the ultra wide angle before making a decision.
My guess is that the “s” stands for sport/speed, so a higher frame rate with faster autofocus should be expected, along with 4K support (4K could also be included in updated firmware for the A7 and A7r). 16-20MP FF sensor with the Anti-Aliasing Filter to reduce moire in video, a touch screen is also a possibility to quickly change autofocus points. I expect this camera to appeal not only to sports and wildlife photographers but also as the camera for people looking for a little more than what the A6000 has to offer. A sub £1000 price is where I would see this camera fitting in. The same “downgraded” viewfinder from the A6000 could also turn up.
They must’ve copied Apple’s naming scheme with the “S” 😛
16 Mpix photo, 4K video, FF Nex – Could be dream machine (!) … but I don’t believe it’ll come true.
Two questions, rumours said 12MP but I see poeple saying 16, which is it?
Also, is this going to be a higher priced camera or lower than curent A7?
~ When is this slated to be released in the USA?
12MP – even better than 16MP (!)
Y’all are silly. The S stands for Sony.
User Group (for updates and sharing without all the incessant commission-click begging seen at SAR):
http://facebook.com/a7Susers
http://twitter.com/a7Susers
http://vimeo.com/groups/a7s
I can only wish S stands for Stabilized. That will be the swing factor for me to ditch my micro4/3 system 🙂