I rarely post low ranked SR1-SR2 rumors. But sometimes I feel that also an unconfirmed rumors should be posted. It may help us to grab some attention from trusted sources. I hope they can confirm (or deny) these NEX-7 successor specs soon. Meantime keep your feet stable on ground and just takes these rumor as it is…an unconfirmed rumors from an anonymous source.
NEX-7 successor specs:
body
same with as nex7 but the lens Mount will be moved 3mm on the left
3mm taller
lens Mount 3mm deeper so lens will come out 3mm less
bigger grip. taller,deeper and wider, due to new battery and better grip feeling.increased volume by 2.9cubiccm
slimmer rear screen design.8.2cm diagonal 1,080dots.same movement as nex 7
magnesium alloy construction dust sealed. weight 23grams more
NP-FM500 battery
standard hotshoe
new popup flash unit with tilting capability
trinavi button layout, customizable rec button
evf
new unit
100% coverage
1,25x magnification
eyepoint 24mm
2560×1920 resolution + 2 stop dinamic range
consumption -12% due to new copper circuit
sensor
new aps-c unit 6000x4000px
cmos evf 15.1dr 25.1colordepht
phase detection chip 92% area 2.2 million split pixels
aa filter
iso range 100-25600. auto iso customizable 100-6400
improved iso performance by 1.24 stops over iso 3200
file size L-M-S and RAW-mRAW-sRAW
12-8-6-3 fps continuos shooting with autofocus
new for nex system 5axis steadyshot inside up to 4 stop shake reduction. bypass the oss in lens for battery saving. works with LA-EA2 and stabilizes a Mount lenses
more bits:
WIFI built in
no confirmation about the name
a bundle Zeiss lens for the launch. 16-80 f2.8-4. i don’t know much about the performance but the decision to move the lens Mount to the left is due to allow the fitting of larger but shorter lenses. i mounted personally a model of the 16-80 to the new body and i can tell you is 68mm wide x 62mm long when closed for 302gr without hood.
the first unit are now to be tested
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Again, take it with a grain of salt. But I certainly do hope this is one of the few times an SR2 rumor becomes true! A NEX-7 successor with no increased MEgapixel madness, but improved sensor, 5 axis stabilization, improved EVF and a Zeiss 16-80mm f/2.8-4. If that info is correct I will pay quite a couple of beers to that anonymous source 🙂
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Sounds great! Would definitely buy it if it’s real!
IBIS – Olympus got that. But NEX 7 has microphone input, and now also IBIS, I really hope for this to be all true. The Panasonic GX7 would have been on order had it not been the lack of mic input. Olympus also has a low bit rate for video. Not so with the new NEX 7. Seams like it got it all… For my wish list at least.
While the specs sound too good to be true, if it is, then I’m onboard and I’ll cancel my pre-order for the Panasonic GX7. As much as bodies are important, it’s all about the lenses and right now the m4/3 has lenses that fit my needs better. But a Zeiss zoom + IBIS is a good start. For some reason though the IBIS sounds too good to be true.
Also with these specs and a kit Zeiss zoom, price will no doubt be high, over $2k most likely, no?
5 axis IBIS sounds like someone reading too much into the Sony/Olympus agreement. It’s a bulky unit that contradicts the mount being 3mm deeper. NEX was designed around OSS, I just don’t see it fitting.
It will be seen in the Alpha range but I doubt that Oly would agree to its availability in NEX cams, it’s THE stand-out feature of the OMD right now!
That bulky unit?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/08/olympus-om-d-e-m5-five-axis-sensor-shift-image-stabilization-han/
Yup, that bulky unit; substantially larger than a standard sensor chassis and APS-C it’s bigger still. With the depth supposedly reduced to the NEX 7… shall we say that I’m taking this rumour with a couple of pinches of salt!
Idk, doesn’t look that thick, I think it’s slightly elevated on the picture. It does seem large and tall though.
remember that Sony does have a reasonable share holdings in olympus, they do have a voice in what olympus does and may have also signed the agreement to share tech too
Zeiss lens with or without OSS?
most likely without since the new sony cameras would have In body image stabilization
Plus there never has been a Zeiss lens with OSS because they don’t want to compromise image quality.
Two questions:
1) touch display?
2) Why using LA-EA2 with translucent mirror. A Simple electronic adapter like LA-EA1 with on sensor phase detection af should be as fast as LA-EA2 without light loss?
LA-EA2 has motor for screw driven lenses.
Surly a Nex-7 successor will provide faster auto focus for Alpha lenses with built in motors and at least support some built in support for older Alpha screw driven lenses, without the need of a clumsy LA-EA2 with a half silvered mirror and independent focus system?! A big weakness of the Nex-7 was the slow auto-focus. I hope Sony does not force the LA-EA2 on all we Alpha lens users.
On sensor PDAF is better than not having it but not nearly as effective as conventional PDAF at this time. The only camera with OSPDAF is the Nikon 1 series which also has a sensor with very high readout speeds. On all other mirrorless cameras adding OSPDAF has not been a great leap forward. The NEX-6 is no match for a SLR or NEX with the LAE-2 adapter.
Nikon made ODPDAF work so I am hoping Sony can too. They are planning to replace the mirrors in all their cameras with OSPDAF so I hope they have made a breakthrough but I am going to need to see some test results before I believe it.
Yeah, but this is about new OSPDAF technology. Seriously this PDAF of the Nex 6 or 5r brings 5% advantage at most. Definitely unnoticeable. This “split pixel” thing in the specs above is something like the Canon 70D. Don’t know how effective it is though.
4K EVF? 2560 is a 2.5K resolution… it is something to do with the number 2560… but can’t remember what 😉
ah my fault. Was working on another 4k rumor and made a Lapsus 🙂
another 4k rumor? new camcorder? 😉
2.560*1.920= 4.915.200
4.9 MP
also…but actually something more than that. Coming soon don’t worry.
if the NEX-FF supports 4k video then Sony have a major winner 😉
Do you think the camera will be able to shoot 4K video?
Sounds like a camera that I would want.
Lets hope it comes true 🙂
This would be a welcome approach. And for me a reason to buy it… if the price will be reasonable…
“…if the price is reasonable”
By look of your previous posts, no price for Sony gear is reasonable unless the shop takes a pint of piss and chilli crackers from you for a full kit. This is because, anything you see from Sony will somehow force you to post questions like: “is it worth it?” “time to leave Sony” “Is Canon my new mistress?”
Sony products are most like Zeiss products overpriced. I am pleased to see you following my posts here. For the future I hope your answers are more target-aimed & constructive as in the past.
But they aren’t overpriced because there are no equivalents to many of the lenses and cameras Sony has.
RX1 — equivalent to…
RX100 — equivalent to…
Zeiss 24mm f2 — equivalent to… (and for what price and performance)
Zeiss 135mm —
Zeiss 24mm 1.8 E — equivalent to…
So where is the overpricing when the competition is either very limited or non-existence. Ever pondered about the basics of economics, which is scarcity?
*cough* 50 1.4 *cough*
Tanglefoot, think before coughing.
My approach is more user centered as photographer. The alpha 99 loses in price comparison to Nikon D800, Nikon D600, Canon 6D. The RX-1 costs 3 times as much as the Fuji 100s. Only for the FF sensor? The old alpha 77 is too expensive, now … no price drop. The NEX system has only shabby or expensive lenses. The firmware service is poor compared to Fuji.
I like the RX100 II a lot. And the NEX6, too. But that’s not enough. I have a bunch of G lenses and want to use it with an affordable FF camera and want an new APS-C camera with a 18 f2 lens in the near future. Expecting too much? I think no!
“My approach is more user centered as photographer.”
No idea what that means.
“The alpha 99 loses in price comparison to Nikon D800, Nikon D600, Canon 6D.”
Care to explain how exactly? Because I do not see it.
“The RX-1 costs 3 times as much as the Fuji 100s. Only for the FF sensor?”
FF sensors, as we all know, cost several times more than APS-C ones. Not to mention the bigger lens required. And the technology to make the whole thing as small and light as the X100s.
“The old alpha 77 is too expensive, now …”
And which would be the equivalent DSLR, which is cheaper?
“The NEX system has only shabby or expensive lenses.”
Don’t make me laugh.
“The firmware service is poor compared to Fuji.”
True, but then Fuji adds features which Sony has by default. And what does this have to see with overpricing?
It’s up to you if you don’t want to see these points. As photographer means I’m not a Sony fanboy or a technical fetishist. And your answer shows me again, that you are not able to answer objective.
Eisenwater, thought so.
I didn’t answer you, I asked you to argument your position, which, apparently, you are unable to do. By the way, you didn’t really make any points, hence my questions (except maybe the price of the RX1, which I did address).
I’ll let you think about being “objective”.
“The old alpha 77 is too expensive, now … no price drop.”
Not really. It has dropped in price quite a lot recently.
I just picked up a new A77 for £699, with VG-C77AM for £129.
@Vlad pointless to repeat… I deliver arguments… you don’t want to notice them, it’s ok … but it does not refute my arguments. And the customer has to decide what are the reasons to buy a new camera.
Last time, Eisenvater, you didn’t deliver arguments.
“Sony products are most like Zeiss products overpriced.”
Which products and why and compared to what? No explanation.
“The alpha 99 loses in price comparison to Nikon D800, Nikon D600, Canon 6D.”
Why? No explanation.
“The old alpha 77 is too expensive…”
Why and compared to what? No explanation.
“The NEX system has only shabby or expensive lenses.”
Why? Again no explanation.
So, where exactly are those arguments that I didn’t notice? I will give you an example:
SEL1018 – 850US in BHphoto. Good reviews, light lens with OSS.
Competitors: Panasonic 7-14, no OSS, 970US in BHphoto.
SEL20F28 – 350US. Good reviews.
Competitors: Olympus 17mm f1.8, faster, but 500US. Zuiko 17mm f2.8, probably worse and 300US.
SEL35F18 – 450US. Quite good reviews.
Competitors: Pana Leica 25mm f1.4. Better reviews and faster, but 628US. Fuji 35mm f1.4 – faster, no OSS, 600US.
SEL50F18 – 300US. Excellent reviews.
Competitors: say the 45mm Olympus. Excellent reviews too, 350US. Say, Panasonic 20mm f1.7, 430US.
I am currently at 4 lenses, all of them considered above average, all of them as cheap or cheaper than the competition. The 18-55, 55-210 and 18-200 are also considered good performers for what they are and also aren’t overpriced. And don’t get me started on the bodies.
See, that is how it’s done.
Oops, edit: the Pana 20mm should be with the SEL35F18.
Thank God for people with perspective.
Eisenvater, you are not the only photographer here to begin with. Being a photographer doesn’t mean you are only using DSLRs as you put them forwards as prime examples of camera pinnacles to compare. They are not.
You can’t even spell any of your suggestions for ‘overpricing’ and lack of value on the side of Sony. Vlad just spelled it out for you. Slap on the face of your senseless opinion worth less than dirt because not one single time you can say why you defecate nonsense through the keyboard.
The reality is, you don’t know the value of most Sony camera products in relativity to the competing offers.
X100s vs RX1?? you must be blind. The RX1 alone is state of the art that even the 35mm 1.4 FLE Summilux can’t touch. Go and see Tim Ashley’s relentless quest to find a better lens for his Leica M that performs on par to the RX1’s Sonnar.
For once, try and contribute properly and explain your reasoning.
lol…
shabby e lens:
Sony E 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 PZ OSS
slow e lens:
Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
bad optical perfotmer:
Sony E 20mm F2.8
no E 18mm F2.0
bad 14mm compared to Fuji
Zeiss lenes are overpriced
Alpha 99 overpriced
Nikon D7100 vs. Alpha 77 … are you kidding?
RX1 fixed lens, no native viewfinder, slow AV and overpriced
Nex7 wide angle problems, slow AF, subsequent handling, much noise
grown up flash system – no
No hardware enhances with firmware updates … good Sony Service …lol
Good cameras:
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 II
Sony Alpha NEX-6
and as I told… this is my opinion … for my needs
@Hendrik lol… I studied photography and I practiced it over 30 years… So I know what I can expect for a reasonable price.
Eisenvater, you are a joke.
You may have practiced photography for 30 years, but you have learned nothing about value and your eyes are not sharp enough.
Sorry to say, I really am, but you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Your ridiculous replies show me only that you cannot accept other opinions. Grow up fanboy! 🙂
re:shabby lenses + zeiss overpriced
cost, physical size, image quality – pick 2
16-50 > small size, relatively inexpensive, IQ is not so great
20 2.8 > same as above though i can not argue with regards to IQ as i have not used it
18-55 > relatively cheap, IQ is better than 16-50, but bigger
the 50mm f1.8 E mount on the other hand is quite nicely priced with OSS and good performance
zeiss lenses > phyical size varies but generally small and well built, IQ good, nice contrast levels (again depending on design) but high price
i don’t think sony would do a 18mm f2.0 though, the focal length would be too close with the 16mm f2.8 and 20mm f2.8 and sigma 19mm f2.8 and little would be gained from making a product which offers next to no change in focal length and only 1 stop gain when they are not selling masses of lenses as canon/nikon are at the moment
you can’t have the perfect lens for cheap, there are some good performers for good value but they’re not perfect. I like the sharpness of the 20mm f1.7 m43 lens, sharp center, relatively cheap, but theres quite a bit of distortion on the lens which is corrected later via software
re:a99 overpriced
as I have stated in a comment before, the A99 is designed and targetted at the D800/5d3 level, the fact that it was released around the time that D600 and 6d was released also may have been really bad luck for Sony.
D600 and 6D are stripped down entry level FF options, where as A99 is targetted as flagship, so it shouldn’t be compared to in price to D600 and 6d
i’m not going to argue whether or not A99 did hit the mark or not as everyone would have their own ideas about that, but it was designed to compete with the D800 and 5d3, so i would argue that the target price is set, now, they’re rumoured to be working on FF alpha mount which would probably be leveled below A99 and therefore be more competitive against D600 and 6d
Let’s see now. You say the 16-50 is a “shabby” lens. But I am not sure what do you expect for its price and dimensions? Its competitor from Panasonic, the X vario, which has a smaller focal range is exactly the same price.
The 18-55 being slow? It’s a kit lens, what do you expect? Again, what are you comparing to, exactly? The only mirrorless lens in the same range that is faster would be the Fuji 18-55, which costs twice as much.
Sony 20mm is a bad optical performer? It’s an average lens, but bad?
No E18mm F2? Strawman.
“Bad 14mm compared to Fuji.”
What 14mm? There is no such lens.
“Zeiss lenes are overpriced.”
Here you go again.
“Alpha 99 overpriced.”
Here you go again.
“Nikon D7100 vs. Alpha 77 … are you kidding?”
Again no explanation. What about it? The D7100 costs 300US more. It has better AF, although the A77 is hardly a slouch, and somewhat better low light performance. The A77 still has several features over the D7100 and it was released together with the D7000 (and it costs the same).
“RX1 fixed lens, no native viewfinder, slow AV and overpriced.”
Really? How much exactly do you expect it to cost, when it has an FF sensor, an amazing (not shabby!) lens and is that small?
“Nex7 wide angle problems, slow AF, subsequent handling, much noise.”
First, I have the 10-18 on my NEX, no problems with it. Second, what is “subsequent handling”? You probably meant something bad, but while I am not particularly fond of the menu system, I do like the tri-navi a lot. Yes, the AF is slow. And now, what is your point? That it’s a shabby product? It isn’t. That it is overpriced? It isn’t.
“Grown up flash system – no.”
Agreed, but strawman.
“No hardware enhances with firmware updates … good Sony Service …”
Agreed, but yet again strawman.
“Good cameras:
Sony Alpha NEX-6”
Now, you are really showing your knowledge. The NEX-6’s AF is so marginally faster than the NEX-7 that it’s not even worth mentioning and the thing has the same crappy menus and lacks the nice tri-navi, yet it is the “better” camera for you.
It’s pretty clear by now for anyone reading, that you simply cannot be bothered to write a proper argument, most probably because you can’t. Heck, you can’t even follow the original subject and are going for strawman arguments.
” I studied photography and I practiced it over 30 years…”
Yeah, yeah.
I forgot to add Zeiss only products
Any ZM lens performs better than CV lenses (sharpness and bokeh rendering) and their built is better (the focusing helicoid and aperture rings have different engineering and) This is because of the different quality glass chosen and the manufacturer tolerances allowed per lens. Yes, they come from the same factory, but the manufacturing and QC is completely different.
Any ZM lens vs Leica. Where is the overpricing when they perform as good if not sometimes better (25mm Biogon)
Zeiss for SLRs… the Makro-Planars are amazing and no lens in Canikon has the equivalent of an F2, macro, 50mm that performs amazing not only in macro but also at infinity (something uncommon)
Same goes for the Distagon 21mm, 15mm, and the 35mm distagons.
If you think of pricing as a problem for you, then your eye isn’t up to the task of judging the value of lenses.
Overpriced ?
Nex 6: 650 euros
Olympus EP-5: 1000 euros
Panasonic GX7: maybe 1000 euros too !
Feel free to point out a few of those overpriced products.
500 F4? 300 2.8? Zeiss 50 1.4? A99? 100 macro?
Zeiss 50 f1.4? Agreed. But you do have the Sony 50 f1.4 at your disposal. So, simply put, one more option.
Sony 100mm macro IBIS – 800US.
Canon 100mm IS – 1050US
Canon 100mm non IS – 550US.
Pentax FA 100mm IBIS – 850US.
Nikon 105mm – 900US.
A99? I disagree, so you will need to elaborate.
Re macro. Notwithstanding those who will argue about colour preference in the same vein as with the 35 1.4, it’s outperformed by Nikon, Canon, Sigma and Tamron. The Canon 100L may be 200 bucks more, but the performance differential, build and handling are sufficienly superior that it’s a bargain compared to the Sony, despite costing more.
A99 – it’s a Nikon D600 with some more electronic bits in a slightly better body. Only thing it realy has in photographic terms over the D600 is an articulating screen which assists composition in awkward positions – all other things being equal, anybody who isn’t invested in either system is unlikely to view an articulating screen as being worth the cost difference (though there will be some). Viewfinder coverage, frame rate, buffer, autofocus module are comparable, build isn’t appreciably different (it’s not a Canon 1 series or Nikon equivalent).
D600 is a D7000 with FF sensor at double cost, and Nikon have to buy the sensors.
A99 is an A77 with FF sensor at triple the cost, and Sony make the bloody sensors.
Sony can sell Nikon the same sensor at a profit, and Nikon can use it in a D600 and sell it at a profit, whilst still being significantly cheaper than the A99. it doesn’t make sense.
I’m sure the A99 is very profitable for Sony, but it’s simply price gouging compared to the competition.
First it (the 100mm macro) was overpriced, now its competitors are “sufficiently superior” so its lower price is actually not low enough?
About the A99, by your own logic the D800 and 5D3 are also overpriced then. If you agree with that, then I’d agree the A99 is overpriced.
The differences between the A99 and the D600 go far beyond the articulating screen (a rather important feature for me, I’ll probably never buy a camera with a fixed one again). IBIS, faster shutter, significantly better Live View, GPS, pc sync, etc. The problem isn’t its price, its the lack of a cheaper alternative from Sony.
the thing with the A99 that its designed and priced as a premium full frame solution on the level of the 5D3 and D800, and many people fail to see that. and it is priced accordingly. whether or not they met those targets of specs/features i’m not going to comment on
it was rather unfortunate around the time A99 was announced/released, Nikon and Canon have decided to (inevitably) release a entry-level FF camera solution. I don’t think they knew about it even though they manufacture the sensors within the D600 camera, they wouldn’t know what Nikon is up to, so Sony was short of caught out by the D600 and later, the 6D but it is really targeted and designed as a premium FF product. people are always going to be quick to critized but i agree that the A99 was priced well based on available information during the design phase (without knowledge of D600 and 6D)
@Pb You just pointed out Sony’s biggest problem; They are creating products that compete with the current offerings from their competitors and focusing too much on market segments and focus groups. Instead they should make products that want to use. Take the NEX-7 for example – the camera costs over $1000 but the menu system is for novices. Some of their CyberShot models have GPS but not the NEX. I could go on and on.
But the menu system did not stop the NEX 7 being a runaway success.
Neither it did for the 5n, or the 5R or the 6.
The price of the RX1 did not stop it from being a successful camera. Enough in fact that it triggered the launch of a sister product.
The price of the RX100 (which at the time was deemed too high to other compacts) didn’t stop it from being the most sold compact camera (Amazon rankings) above any other offering. This is because its value in IQ and lens IQ put it way beyond any other compact camera that has to compete with increasing smartphone photography enthusiasts.
As bad as people want to pain the picture of Sony’s supposedly dislocated market offerings, they are the ones truly shaking things.
Canon M, a badly implemented product which had potential.
Nikon 1, a terribly implemented product which had very limited potential from the start. (See the news on Nikon’s forecast revisions for its 1 system)
Sony is driving forwards with innovative products.
Panasonic is taking the video SLR revolution forwards (level playing field here not counting Magic Lantern on a 5D3)
Fuji is giving hipsters an excuse to stop using their phones as cameras and use real cameras.
@Hendrick I wouldn’t call the NEX-7 a runaway success, the NEX-3 and NEX-5 series maybe, but not the 7. I don’t believe the sales have been that good, but what do I know.
My issue is not with the price and I agree that Sony is innovating, that’s why I’m looking to purchase a Sony instead of a Canon for example.
But what bothers me is that while the menu system might be suitable for sub $500 cameras, it might not be ideal for + $1000 camera. Professional or semi-professional tools needs to be optimized for efficiency. Software has always been Sony’s achilles’ heel and there’s no denying it. Another thing that I just don’t get is why is the “lower-end” CyberShot having features that a more expensive NEX-7 doesn’t have. With most manufacturers, the flagship model usually contains more features than the rest of the product line, not the other way around.
haha, i think sony has bigger problems than trying to create products that compete with other existing products.
i totally agree with Hendrick that Sony is really trying to innovate. its really understandable that when they’re making a camera they must think how to price it accordingly, and what features they can put in it. its all a balance of features and cost, if you build lots of features the cost will be too high and no one will buy it, if you make it too cheap the fixed cost of the sensor will not be covered etc…
Sony WANTS to compete with Nikon and Canon in the FF pro photography world, so its understandable that they want to talk to pros focus groups and work out what features they need.
I got told by the directors at my company that when making new products we need to start working on the top end model, and once all the research is done, we can apply it to the lower end models and get more sales, that is exactly what Fuji is doing by selling super expensive X-pro1 with new x-trans sensor, then slowly sell cheaper version X-E1, and now even cheaper X-M1. Sony may be testing the market with A99 trying out OSPDAF and learning, next iteration alpha cameras might be better!
i wouldn’t hold out too much on the NEX menu system though, im not a big fan of it but after using NEX, i’ve learnt that once you’ve configured the shortcuts you do very little menu browsing.
the RX1 on the other hand is absolutely fantastic in terms of menu! 😀 i wish they just gave the RX1 an e-mount and kept everything else the same (or maybe put a bigger battery/grip). you should try out the RX1 menu system and ergonomics at a camera store! its brilliant!
@Pb Really thoughtful comments. I do understand that there’s need to be a balance between features and the price, but a GPS chip can’t make that big difference. I don’t think that potential buyers for a + $1000 camera really care about $100 difference if the essential features are there.
I agree about the RX1 with an E-mount. Wonder how much the build-in lens makes up of the total cost.
@Pb“haha, i think sony has bigger problems than trying to create products that compete with other existing products“.
My point being that instead of creating products that compete with current offerings from competitors they should create products that compete with their competitors’ next generation products, so when they finally launch their response, it wouldn’t be outdated compared to other offerings on the market.
I thought it was obvious what I mean but who knows.
haha ops, forgot to address the GPS thing, yeah, its small, i wonder when we’ll be seeing it in their cameras… I’m still holding out on a 1:1 square aspect ratio (and maybe a 2:1 aspect too!!! but thats just me dreaming!). The NEX cameras are understandable as its already very packed with tech, but i guess its more of a low leveled camera thing because sony doesn’t expect people to carry a A99 and 24-70 + 70-200 into the mountains to go hiking? but its much easier to do with a compact camera? i think the demand for a GPS is not as high compared to some other things though (like better flash, etc). maybe it can be a multi-interface shoe addon too? i wish sony would become open source like android, then users can start developing their own accessories/apps for the system 😀
and i think it’d be a bit hard for Sony to try and compete with the unreleased next generation camera without the help of a psychic or a spy in C/N 😛 it would be nice to have a psychic or a spy for sony though hahahah
@Pb, If Apple and Samsung can pack Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS into their phones, then Sony should be able to do the same for their cameras. Remember that most of the space inside the iPhone is occupied by the large battery.
NFC on the other hand is just a hoax. It’s as useful as QRC codes.
When Sony started working with the PS4 they didn’t look at the current Xbox and tried to match it’s performance. They designed the PS4 to compete whatever Microsoft was going to offer with the next generation Xbox. That’s what Sony should do with their cameras as well.
any news on NEX-6 successor ?
is NEX FF Nex 9?
Would definitely buy this if it came true. The lens specs sound pretty credible.
You finally get your NEX 7 info Claire. I’ve been very patiently waiting myself, though, looking at the specs I am still on the fence. Don’t get me wrong, I think these specs (if true, fingers crossed) is a fantastic update but I use the 5n now and love its capabilities in overall image quality and ISO performance. I have always been very fond of the NEX7’s controls and larger grip but what would put me over the edge I feel is a great improvement in auto focus and not just some meager bump as was seen in the NEX6.
The only problem is, that this will not come very cheap… but a dust and splash water sealed nex with a fast standard zoom and a fast telezoom would be very tempting.
I will remain sitting firmly on the fence until one can compare the Nex-7 (in whatever version is current) and a FF Nex (intended primarily for stills).
“16-80 f2.8-4. i don’t know much about the performance but the decision to move the lens Mount to the left is due to allow the fitting of larger but shorter lenses.”
Wonder if this means that the new lens will not fit on Nex-6 what a shame….
I think they did it to compensate for the bigger grip.
“Wonder if this means that the new lens will not fit on Nex-6 what a shame”
It will fit fine, but there might be less room between grip and lens… if these rumours are true.
bigger grip for new battery, but next line states it uses old NP-FM500(old for a-mount)?
“new” battery means not the existing NP-FW50 battery for all current NEX (which is 1080mAh) and use the older NP-FM500h battery (1650mAh) which is used in other alpha cameras, so that means about 50% bigger battery capacity and so longer usage time
At first I was a bit disappointed when I read they would use another battery, since i already own a heap of FW50 batteries. But if the new NEX-9 successor and quite possibly the new FF NEX uses FM500H batteries, I am more than happy since that is the same as I already have for my A77.
I am sold. I hope this thing comes sooner than later. 1.8/85 lens would be welcome too
If you post so many things, chances for some of the information being true is quite high but I highly doubt that a new model will have all of those features. Selling the 7 successor-successor would become very hard become quite hard.
On the other hand, the 7 series has relatively long upgrade cycles and by the time the successor-successor will be released, the real new gen. sensors will be available.
Without being too ambitious, these specifications seems realistics. They are going in the right direction. I expect some things like that. “5 axis steadyshot inside” and “16-80 f2.8-4” are two good news. The CEO is ambitious for imaging division. I would be disappointed if it’s not true (compared to GX7).
16-80 f2.8-4 weighing only 300g and 62mm long? No way.
Indeed.
UHR optics could reduce the length but that weight would mean lots of cheap plastic or v expensive titanium ? 68mm wide is possible for the front element but almost impossible for a total lens diameter. So, like everyone else, I’d say SR-BS rating on that.
IBIS? That is GREAT news for the NEX line. Good to see them one up Olympus and Panasonic. Sony should of had this feature from the very beginning.
If Sony gets 5-axis IBIS, it will not be “one up Olympus”, but Olympus-designed (and maybe even made) unit.
It’s still a one up. Getting an Olympus m43 or panny camera means you are stuck with m43 sensor. Sony gets you an APS-C and IBIS.
I think, Sony should have had this feature from the beginning.
They did not have stock in Olympus at that time. Sony’s own IBIS is too fragile to use in NEX bodies.
I was merely correcting his english 🙂
What do you mean by “fragile”?
I never understood where this “should of” comes from. Is there any valid grammatical construction that uses this form?
“Should of” is just a bastardization of “should have.” In casual speech, most people contract the two into “should’ve” or even “should’a” and many grow up hearing this as “should of” and are never corrected. It’s terribly common and quite understandable.
It takes brave souls akin to Vlad to correct adults who misuse it, especially in person.
You might be able to come up with a correct sentence with the use of punctuation.
“Where he went he was told he should, of briar and bramble in the wood.”
I think people make the mistake because “should’ve” sounds like “should of”. I hate it when people write “should of”, but not as much as when somebody writes the rip-roaringly irritating, “I could care less”.
This is sonyalpharumors.com, not englishtuition.com. But I see you gearheards enjoy picking apart everything because it distracts you from your meaningless existence before you die into the blackness and nothingness from where you came from.
P.S.: This is the original text written by the source. I didn’t touch it!
Lol.
Yes! A pleasant respite not unlike the propagation of existential nihilism!
the question is: how will the new sensor handle the rf-lenses?
Actually, the expression “I could care less” while obviously derived from “I couldn’t care less” actually makes logical sense, and could be used to mean nearly exactly the same thing!
“I could care less” could mean: “It doesn’t even deserve the little regard I have for this issue right as it is. I could (and should) care less, but it doesn’t deserve the required effort to do so.”
i presume you have simply replied to the wrong post 🙂
I’m pretty careful about that. No idea how it happened. Sorry.
The IBIS alone would be for me the reason to buy it. The larger the body is, the better. What about the price?
Just another 24mp Cmos—Totally not interested.
Even Leica stopped using CCD…
Stacked organic
If you are not interested, why you keep on commenting?
We ALL KNOW you are never interested up until megapixels come out of Sony’s anus in a landslide. You’ll be waiting right at the bottom waiting to be doused in megapixels.
nex system 5axis steadyshot inside up to 4 stop shake reduction.
Great I just hope it will not reduce video quality . Sony take care of video quality as well .
For videos u can use stabilized lenses
Mechanical 5-axis IBIS only improves video quality, compared to stabilized lenses too – because it eliminates rotational movement which not only ruins the video itself but no video codec can effectively encode (and as such reduces bandwidth avaiable for genuine motion in video).
I have almost all line zeiss zf lens . There are all with no stabilization . 5axis steadyshot make all zeiss lens hot devil . I was going to get pocket camera , at now sony seems to hold me with e-mount system . One more wish is to get 13 stop dynamic range , dreams ,dreams …….
What’s so good to be true? Unlike with other crazy rumors this time I find most of the specs to be reasonable. The harder part here is the 5 axis stabilizer but we already know about the Sony-Olympus collaboration so even this looks plausible.
EVF unit sounds unrealistic at this point, with 3 color subpixels it would be 15M dots.
If true, this is my new camera. The beer is on me, admin!
“lens Mount 3mm deeper” does not look compatible with IBIS for me…
Unless they make the camera thicker.
True, but a camera that has increased in total volume by only 2.9 cubic cm does not sound that much bigger to me, especially when you spread that over the entire camera.
Yep, true. Except if they make it a cube 🙂
In fact, the more I read these specs, the more unlikely they appear. The camera is supposedly 3mm taller and has a bigger grip, yet is only 2.9 cubic cm bigger in volume. That 3mm height difference would account for an increase in volume by at least 7 or 8 cubic cm just on its own.
The whole thing sounds a bit far-fetched to me. IBIS? Great if they put it, but I won’t hold my breath. They’ll probably improve the AF, put WiFi and add a few features nobody cares about. On the other hand though, the NEX-7 doesn’t need much improvement. I’d be happy with tethering, faster AF, a few more connectors and being able to turn the pre-flash off.
3mm more depht plus 1mm slimmer sreen means 4mm more depth.
3mm hight plus lens moved more room on all sides.
Plenty of room for ibis and the rite shape.
I wonder what is the best package:
– rumored 16-80 f2.8-4
Or :
– existing 16-50PZ+ comming soon 85mm prime
16-50PZ is an average quality lens, a 85mm prime will very probably be excellent
A Zeiss 16-80 will probably be a very good lens for a zoom, but not as good and fast as a prime, so it will fit “in the middle” in term of quality
One lens will be smaller and lighter than 2 lenses, but a “base” configuration with a 16-50PZ (and the prime lens in another pocket) will be significantly more pocketable….
Well, you have your spec analysis done, now apply it to your needs.
Hm. I’d go for 16-80 as a kit lens.
In my opinion the 16-50 is the most worse lense sony made besides the 16 pancake.
Having the 16-50 PZ, I’m now more interested in the (supposed) 50-150mm F2.8 even though it will be huge. The 85mm 1.8 won’t be pocketable either anyway.
And I want constant aperture zoom for video.
Totally concur… Sounds good, but not holding my breath either. Your guesses look a little more realistic. Too me the 7 is *near* perfect, the biggest letdown being AF speed and lens selection. I do think a 16-50/2.8-4 is pretty plausible. If AF can be significantly improved, than any other upgrade will just be icing on the cake for me. And if none of this happens, I’ll just re-buy a 7 😉
If I understand the rumour, then there wouldn’t be substantial changes to the user interface ? Mmmmm…
Also, no news about custom modes and a minimum shutter speed setting in auto ISO ?
Or tethering. Or proper remote.
DONT make me laugh
i stop taking it serious after “standard hotshoe”
since the a99 show up with the NEW multi interface, sony had released all cameras with that new hotshoe, standar hotshoe lol
“consumption -12% due to new copper circuit” are you trying to sound smart? did you develop it? how you messaure it? did they give you a really in deep tech paper? (show it to us)
“phase detection chip 92% area 2.2 million split pixels” whats an split pixel? oh, you read that patent from the other day, was it from panasonic or fuji?
“new apsc” with same resolution? that would be a first for sony, they usually add more pixels with each new generation, but sony may mimic the a900 -> a99, just adding PAF.
“larger but shorter lenses” ok… you lost me, i need einstein to xplain me that, larger but shorter, it must be a relativity thing.
SR1 or joke? maybe just one guy looking for his day of fame
No. Split pixel is what Canon uses in the 70D.
Really? I think you didn’t get the joke.
Sorry, I don’t see where this is supposed to be a joke.
And even if it was a joke I don’t know what would be funny about it. Anyone could send a mail to the blog with plausible sounding specs of the Nex 7 successor and because of that the rumor is just SR2.
I meant the phrase you replied to: “whats an split pixel? oh, you read that patent from the other day, was it from panasonic or fuji?”
The joke is your comment.
16-80 f/2.8-4 is difficult to believe in itself, but 68*62mm & 302g? These are dimensions and weight of Panasonic 12-35mm, half as long and for a smaller format. I call bullshit.
Also half a stop faster than the existing Zeiss 16-80 and less than half the length and half the weight… it’s either a powerzoom (bleah) or rumor is total fabrication.
Since Sony have said the G zoom is on the horizon for this year, I don’t see a new 7 shipping with a Zeiss lens, and with such unrealistically compact specs.
Sounds like Canon mirrorless specs..
Doesn’t seem smart to offer a lens that won’t work on existing NEX bodies or be very appealing for coming FF bodies.
Also, I hope that Sony puts OSS in its own branded FF e-mount lenses so that they will be good choices for people with APS-C NEX bodies as well (many will have both formats; some will buy the FF lenses because they expect to go FF in the future). Specifically, I would hope there will be a FF tele zoom (G) with OSS.
I’m glad to hear they may increase the size of the grip since I feel the current model, though very comfortable for its class of camera, is just shy of perfection. Being the model geared towards enthusiasts and many DSLR owners, it makes sense to allow this particular model to grow slightly to enhance ergonomics while still offering a much smaller package than a dslr equivalent. The lower models for sure, should focus on minimal size for the point and shoot upgraders though.
Though I could never imagine carrying around the bulk of a dslr and even just one extra lens around with me, I am absolutely in love with the way Sony’s SLTs feel in the hand. If it all possible to come anywhere near that while having an NEX-esque body size would be ideal! That tiny bump in grip size just might do the trick. I sure hope that part of the rumor is true. Sure I’ll always get excited over tech innovations, and I love the other possible updates of this rumor, but if I don’t care for how a camera feels when out and shooting, I will be thinking of that every time I bring it up to my eye versus focusing on getting the shot.
Huge thanks to the admin for deciding to post this!! I’ve been dying for some NEX7 news for a while now. Excited for the NEX FF but I don’t really see a need to go FF for my needs since ISO3200 is high enough for most situations and the NEX family really excels in that area. I would definitely appreciate the shallower depth of field though…
+1
This is great !
I hope there will be a change in the firmware.
Best JPEG for photos. And especially best codec for video (XAVC).
Sony (NEX) should upgrade to Panasonic (GH3) or BlackMagic (Blackmagic Pocket Cinema) for the video.
I would XAVC – 10bits – 4:2:2 – 1080P.
And the dream … RAAAAAAWW!!
Of course, the same trend for the Alpha system…
Memory card will be full in no time. Sony pro video cam uses an external module (bit pricey) to enables raw video recording. Don’t remember on what memory device, but not SD or CF. Something like external hard disk.
I agree !
For RAW SD card it will be too complicated !
But at least the XAVC codec / 10bit … with a Bitrate equivalent to the Panasonic GH3 … Is this reasonable?
But for the Alpha system … the XQD Cards exist !
So a little effort for the video, Mr. Sony !
Oh please, sr2 not even once…
Still no GPS? Why Sony? Why?
Yeah, GPS would be cool. Or at least support for a wireless GPS tracker/Sony accessory without the need to sync it later on the PC.
No GPS = no purchase from me (not that Sony would care…)
“cmos evf 15.1dr 25.1colordepht”
Wow! Dynamic range is 15.1 stops and color dept is 25.1 According to DXOmark this is Nikon D800 FF territory! Almost too good to be true.
That one puzzles me.
If you hold the camera, there is alot of things you would know.
Like size, flash design etc.
But also if the camera had tether mode and other stuff.
But sensor spec’s ?? Surely that comes from a Sony inside resource …
So, this is either a hoax or Sony’s viral marketing.
I’m betting on the hoax.
i woudl love to see the 16-80 for nex but those specs dont seem to line up less its a PZ least in part
Too good to be true. Mostly because it’s exactly what I want!
+1
I’m very interested in how the IBIS would interact with OSS lenses. Since the lens themselves are stabilized, do we have the option to turn off IBIS on the camera?
You took the time to write the comment but didn’t to read the article? 🙂
Haha, didn’t realized that I missed that portion of the article, my bad.
Please do not use the term “standard hot shoe” it doesn’t exist and esp not Sony’s non standard multi interface shoe.
Standard Hot-Shoe stands for ISO compatibile Hot-Shoe (already known from eg. Nex-6),
best regards, WZ.
I consider a hot shoe that follows the specs defined by the ISO(the organization,not sensor
sensitivity) as a standard hot shoe. The non-standard part is the extra electronic contacts and its protocol. Physical dimension and the trigger pin are standard. Even my Cosina from the 80s can trigger Canikon(or any brand w/ standard shoe) flash in manual mode.
If this is true, i will buy it!
If true, I will buy and will dump my a-mount kit. pretty exciting!
16-80 f2.8-4? it is going to be quite big if it is true. wait and see again.
Indeed, look at the A-mount version, which is slower. That isn’t a small lens.
I agree the Zeiss zoom seems the most suspicious part. It could be a collapsable zoom but even then, seems very compact and also strange we didn’t hear more about this sooner. If it is collapsible I’m betting the inner ring/barrel is all plastic. Even the 24mm was shockingly light for a lens of its size.
Ok, the IBIS is also a little suspect but at this point we’ve heard a lot about it being introduced into the NEX line so … maybe.
“cmos evf 15.1dr 25.1colordepht”
yeap , a. bit to extreme to be true ? Could it be that the evf itself has a 15.1 dr et 25.1 colordepth when viewing through it ? not the raw file out the camera ?
still, a SR2 rumour all in all …
What do you mean by “standard hotshoe”?
The 25 year Sony Minolta iISO standard with vast third party support for smart radio slaves and various flash options?
Or the “NON-Standard” attempt at an ISO which nothing but dumb accessories fit and no locking adapter is available for?
+1
Damn right, bruv. This is what happens when Sony listens to the wrong people.
If we all listened to Barry, we would have 100mp APS-C sensor with a noise signature worse than an iphone.
If we all listened to Eisenvater, we would never buy Sony. Just come around here venting off our frustration withe the world because it owes us something.
Pretty much the same if we listened to Klaus, who thankfully came to his senses and stop posting here.
To those who suggested the return to the most basic form of hotshoe:
I HATE YOU.
The RX1 EVF, OVF and Thumbs up could have been so much more secure if the Minolta solid design of a hotshoe would still be around.
@Hendrick …löl … it*s frustrating to see the unbalanced Sony product line… indeed!
why would anyone sell their NEX 7 to buy this one? I don’t understand…..
Because it’s the old model, duh!
Regardless of the accuracy of these specs…Sony definitely has the sensor tech down. They can eat Canon and Nikon’s lunch if they want to, just by complimenting their sensors with great camera bodies and lenses. Zeiss of course will help with the lenses.
If I were Sony I would hold nothing back and swing for the fences…it’s the only way they will be able to disrupt the market and take appreciable market share from Canikon.
“”They can eat Canon and Nikon’s lunch if they want to””
Well Canon certainly look to be behind in the APS sensor category however Nikon with the D5200/D7100 were able to design and get fabricated a better sensor than the best current Sony APS.Ironically for a company so entrenched in electronics Sony must be using inferior support circuitry as this is the only viable explanation why Sony typically do worse than the competition using the same Sony made sensor.
I am currently a Nikon and mFT user but the upcoming Nex7 is looking like an ideal lighter weight travel outfit for my mainly landscape interests. I was interested in the original Nex7 but at the time the weak lens line up put me off. An adapted Sigma 18-35mm F/1.8 combined with the new Nex 7 will be an excellent kit for me as my 28mm,35mm and 50mm primes are my most used lenses. For longer options I will have to study the Nex lens line up as I am not to familiar with it.
Cannot even consider a new Sony until some early adopter confirms the flash foibles are worked out. I didn’t say “will not”. I said “cannot”. I’m a photographer. I use flash.
Sony doesn’t even acknowledge the current flash issues… wireless delay, plastic foot, no locking adapter, no third party smart support, overheating F60, no native cables for off camera bracket…
At this point, the most positive thing I can say is:
“Oh boy. Another 24mp Sony. Just what we’ve all been waiting for.”
I’ll bet my company car that some people will claim issues with the flash.
-What now?
I wonder if the new IBIS will allow for manually entering EXIF data or need preset AF confirm chips on lens adapters for use with manual focus lenses.
If the specs are true and Zeiss is a kit lens, this is easily going to push $2,000, probably more. Body only at $1,500 isn’t out of the question.
Why not a zeiss 16-80 for alpha mount
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/463923-REG/Sony_SAL1680Z_SAL_1680Z_16_80mm_f_3_5_4_5_Carl.html
Take my money!!!
Now, I can’t decide this or FF-NEX. Don’t have $$ for both and the NEX-7 would be cheaper.
When Sony first introduced its range of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras in May 2010, the company was very clear about who it thought would buy the NEX-5 and its near-identical-twin NEX-3. Small cameras with APS-C sensors, we were told, would appeal to compact camera users who wanted to upgrade but would be intimidated by the bulk and perceived complexity of an SLR. The cameras were a sales success (especially in Japan), and their influence on this sector of the market has become increasingly clear, with Olympus’s PEN E-PL3 paying extensive homage to their key design features, and Panasonic stripping-down its GF line from the enthusiast-friendly DMC-GF1 to the distinctly beginner-orientated
Lets see, we waited for years for a Zeiss medium range zoom, the 16-70 f4 and now the rumor says Zeiss is releasing a new 16-80 2.8-4 zoom? Zeiss has delayed almost all lens, has it’s hands full trying to get FF lens to market and has put off the Zeiss 50mm APS-C macro for another couple months. We’ve been waiting for that lens since it’s announcement 2 years ago. The 16-80 announcement makes me think the whole rumor is a hoax. As always time will tell. In the meantime we shoot with what we have. It all sounds good though. I’m hoping the NEX7 successor has exactly the same form factor so it will fit into my Nauticam underwater housing. if not, the NEX7 is still a great camera. I won’t upgrade if I have to buy a new underwater housing.