Watch the video on top from minute 31:10 (once you click on play you have to wait a few seconds before it starts). The Sony US manager basically he says he cannot confirm that a Full Frame NEX photocameras is coming but he believes in rumors 🙂 I know this is just my personal wish but I hope to see a sort of digital version of the [shoplink 19360 ebay]Zeiss Ikon ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink]. Solid build quality and hybrid EVF. That’s it for me 🙂
I was a bit on hold with NEX rumors because I worked a lot on the brand new A-mount roadmap. But soon I will come back to the NEX and FF NEX rumors. Don’t worry. All I can say is that 2014 will be a ver Full…Full Frame year 🙂
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I would really hope to see a sort of digital version of the Zeiss Ikon ZM too!! SONY do need to clean up the corners of the sensor however, because experiments showed that the VG900 didn’t handle rangefinder lenses well at all. This would be good for more flexible native lens designs as well.
Any links to back up the claims that range finder lenses are not working properly on the VG900??
This entire thread here is devoted to the subject, but scroll to the bottom of this page, and there’s a guy who tested with cv15, sem21, zm28, lux35, and cron 75.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1148278/4
He also posted a lot of sample shots. In summary the more telecentic the lens the better – so the longer focal lengths are Ok.
The positive is that SONY do have the sensor tech to correct the corner performance for the wides.
Sony should hold on with FF NEX (both cameras and lenses) until they make a film-like sensor. After that everything is possible.
He does not more than say that FF E-Mount is possible (like shown with the VG-900)… It is obvious that you could just fit it in a NEX body and he agrees with that…
boring…
So, let us imagine an FF NEX early next year just for fun.
When would we have lenses for that camera som anyone would actually buy it?
And which lenes in the Sony internal a-mount and e-mount roadmaps would you like to postpone to make place for FF NEX lens develpment?
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i’d buy one to use with my leica mount voigtlander lenses, 21mm f1.8 and 40mm f1.4 sc 8D
I can fully see that use, but I cannot see Sony making a body without a serious lens lineup.
So they need to divert focus on that anyway even if some/most users will put on legacy lenses.
(Assuming that the current adapters support an FF sensor)
The NEX was originally released with just two lenses – the 18-55 and 16/2.8.
Folks adapting specialist Zeiss, Leica and high quality SLR lenses like the Minolta 58/1.2 probably supported a lot of initial sales and helped to spread the reputation of the camera.
that is true that they would need to take away focus from their main A-mount lens designs, but at the same time its true that you should be able to use existing E mount lenses in crop mode (which does moot the point of using a FF NEX) except in situations where you have legacy lenses/other mounts + 1 or 2 high quality FF NEX lenses + existing e-mount in crop mode, it would give someone with a FF NEX quite a bit of options
what happened to Anthony? whos this new girl? (not that im complaining, but Anthony always seemed to give off a more informed aura)
Anthony Carboni also produces Signal by Sony, so I suspect he’s just chosen to stay behind the camera. You’re correct that he’s a switched on fellow.
This means Sony is to some way from delivering FF Nex
Can someone summarize sony patent for mirrorless camera. Here is whole patent document with lots of interesting detail on PDAF! http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20130113982.pdf
Of course it is possible, the VG900 already exists. The problem is that, due to mechanical interference of a relatively small mount being so close to the sensor, a native lens line for a FF Nex would require large lenses. Essentially, they’ll be similar in size to DSLR-sized lenses with Nex adapter.
Sorry GH but it is NOT due to “mechanical interference” it is due to a sensor package (AA filter, micro-lenses, etc.) that is not optimized for the angle of incidence needed to use symmetrically designed lenses (AKA most rangefinder wide-angle). Non-symmetrical lenses (AKA most 50mm+ lenses and the CV 35mm f1.2) work beautifully because the angle of incidence of the light works better with the sensor. Leica mostly solved this issue with the M9. I believe Sony is still working on it which is why the RX1 is a fixed lens system. They didn’t have to optimize the sensor package for the RX1 because they had full control over the lens. (hence it is a 35mm “sonnar” which was always a wide to tele design in the past)
THERE IS NOTHING MECHANICAL PREVENTING THE E-MOUNT FROM BEING FULL-FRAME. From not having IBIS, yes, maybe. Slap a Planar or Sonnar type lens of the VG900 and you’ll get a great image. Biogon, no. I believe Sony is waiting until they fix that.
There absolutely are mechanical issues, if we’re talking about using the same sensor technology that Sony has been using for years. Even Leica’s new M240, with it’s very unique microlens array, has issues.
If you think that Sony is going to radically change their sensor/microlens design, then, yes, they could make smaller lenses.
Back illumination sensors will eliminate the color crosstalk and help vinegetting, while removing the aa filter/thickness will reduce refractive smearing.
It all helps to make their native lenses smaller as well and without corrective optic as used in the Rx1.
Of course it remains to be seen whether Sony can roll it into a fullframe sensor.
I’ve met in person with Mark Weir many times and have grown used to his mannerisms and how good he is at keeping secrets. He’ll drop very subtle and vague hints but its not till much later (after product announcements are made) on that you realize he was. From what I gather from the 31:10 comment is that he’s pretty much saying there is going to be a full frame RX2 or something equivalent to it. I’d bet Andrea is right and I’d bet dough it will.
Um… everyone knows that the RX2 will be full frame. Your powers of deduction are amazing.
Along these lines didn’t Zeiss hint at an upcoming new line of lenses (a post-Touit line). Could be for this FF sony… a collaboration where sony could still release their own G lenses later, but where at least a 3 lens lineup would be offered up initially by Zeiss. Where NEX has thus far been marketed as enthusiast, this could have a more pro marketing/pricing strategy. Obviously I’d love to see it cheaper but given that the competition thus far is Leica, they have a fair bit of room regarding pricing. I just hope zeiss makes a 35/1.4 distagon for the new full frame that gives similar 3d rendering to the contax version.. I can dream right 😉
A full frame nex would allow users of other one camera systems to put thier lens collections on it.
This might help siny to transition people to thier system.
With the lack of IBIS it is much less practical for current a mount users.
If sony either made an adaptor with stabilization or put stabilization in the camera that would be a whole new ballgame and anyone could use it.
I do not however expect either of these to happen andd so the camera would not be for me.