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For almost two months now things have been relatively quite on the A-mount camera and NEX-7 successor front. Two of my trusted sources told me that they still didn’t get any info about a possible A-mount or NEX-7 successor release this year. They only told me about the following camera being released between October and January:
– Two NEX-FF
– ILC-7 (APS-C camera).
– ILC-9 (FF camera)
– RX10
New anonymous sources we can rank somewhere between SR2-SR3 told me that A-mount and more NEX APS-C stuff is coming very early 2014 only. For now Sony’s priority seems to be the NEX-FF and ILCE (E-mount DSLR shaped) cameras. I think that within the next couple of weeks we will know a lot more about the Sony roadmap. Don’t worry A-mount camera owners and NEX-7 successor waiters 🙂
It’s my personal curiosity that drives me to ask you SAR readers what’s the camera (or cameras) you are waiting for.
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It is diffucult to choose a new camera without knowing OSPDAF speed, IBIS and price.
How did you ever choose a camera body before this year? Ever shot film? None of this stuff existed a few years ago and people somehow managed.
What about you? Did you ever shot dry plates? Film didn’t exist sometime ago and people somehow managed (to take photos).
Collodion or die!
Well I don’t know about you but AF speed, IBIS and price were high on my list.
if we don’t buy based on spec, what do we buy based on?
Film cameras were free?
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Base on current technology OSPDAF speed is still slower than PDAF.
OSPDAF has problem when focusing in low light or indoor.
I wonder how Sony can solve this problem.
May be Sony has develop some new technology, otherwise the focus speed & accuracy will be no match with other competitors.
@Marek
If you need a new camera now – buy something that is available. Don’t wait for the next new model over the horizon, because there will always be something even newer on the horizon by then. Also, unless it is a minor update to an existing model, best to buy a camera that has been out for 6 months or so – or you often end up being a beta tester for untried technology.
Yes, very difficult!
Without IBIS for the NEX FF I’m out
Would have been interesting to see the breakdown of camera sales by model.
Perhaps we are overstating the importance of the NEX-7, but I am waiting for one.
Importance of NEX-7 is not overstated. A small group of people, including myself, will buy FF NEX, but FF will never sell in vast volume. NEX-7 is Sony’s most important camera next to the RX100. It’s the halo camera that brings people to NEX and probably outsell all A-mount APS-C.
This.
Also, I am invested into the NEX system with lenses. I am not going to buy the 6, because I am holding off for a better EVF. But since the announcement of the 23 1.4, Fuji is looking more and more interesting. I wish there was a new 7 pretty soon.
If Sony were thinking like you, Nex 7 successor would be released at the same time than Nex FF but it seems they want to make the buzz with their Nex FF first and maybe release upgrade of Nex-7…
I agree, unless you shoot landscapes or make your living from photography, FF NEX (or any full frame camera) is hardly a need. It will be an expensive system for most enthusiasts. APS-C provides a good balance of performance vs price and most people would probably be better off spending their hard earned money on really good lenses than on going full frame.
Full frame NEX is important though because it may do a lot to boost Sony’s name and make more people take the E-mount system seriously.
Perhaps,
photo enthusiast like us do not generally represents the general public who buys cameras.
I can think of two possibilities why NEX-7 has not yet been updated.
The new technology that is being implemented in the camera is very difficult and it will take time for Sony to make it right.
Or, priorities are somewhere else. low end e–mount and high-end full frame.
Many current users of NEX-7 that I know are actually considering upgrading to a FF rather than buying the next version of it.
At the same time I’m not sure that the current NEX-5 and 6 are considering upgrading to the next version of NEX-7.
There certainly current users of NEX-7 who are looking forward to the upgrades but I’m not sure that’s group is large enough to make it a priority.
Andrea, please, many of us keep asking and are getting ever more despondent,
Is there any news at all regarding the promised firmware for the A65/77, especially regarding the Jpeg engine which is in desperate need of updating???
We have been given little hints every so often but as yet nothing has happened. Could you give Sony a BIG nudge and tell them that we need a decent Jpeg engine (along with other mods) in our cameras.
Unless they start supporting their existing users, many of those users will be very reluctant to stay with them.
Thank you
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Why buy an expensive dslr to shoot jpegs?
Why not? If jpeg was very good then I wouldn’t need to process most of my images in LR.
I’d argue that an expensive camera should do the “post-processing” for you and give you jpeg images that require very little tweaking.
yhee!c’om on sony
This sounds just like what happened to a700 users (and to less extent a900 users). Sony played string along for a long time when they never had any intent of continuing DSLR if they ever intended to be in upper level cameras at all. Instead they are moving into pretend like it’s a DSLR, which says at least they know that’s what folks want. Instead of pretend they could try the real thing! They did briefly show they could build DSLRs!
Today I made a comparison between my 5 years old A700 and brand new A58, A65 and A77 cameras in store. Raw shots of the same scene taken at ISO 400 and ISO 1600 and processed with Adobe Camera Raw software. Pictures taken with A700 were the sharpest and had greatest tonal range and colours…
It appears new SLTs has much worse IS system and/or AF module than Alpha 700. They didn’t gave any more detail apart of their theoretical resolution.
Maybe they work better at ISO100 but I didn’t have enough light.
“Today I made a comparison between my 5 years old A700 and brand new A58, A65 and A77 cameras IN STORE.” – found a problem you have. Otherwise you’d find out that A77 got easily superior AF to A700.
Andrea, will any one them feature 4k and the new codecs?
I really hope they have other priorities
No one said anything about this being a priority; I just asked if this might be there.
I’m waiting for the one with sensor shift AF and IBIS.
Hey Admin,
Would it be possible for you to elaborate if the NEX-FF will sport a touchscreen, IBIS or Weather Sealing?
I have an OM-D and the weakness of the camera was always the small sensor but the other features are just amazing.
thanks,
El Cabron
Andrea, please widen the poll to t.ex.
*ILCE-7 (APS-C), with IBIS
*ILCE-7 (APS-C), without IBIS
*ILCE-9 (APS-C), with IBIS
*ILCE-9 (APS-C), without IBIS
I e.g. would CONSIDER buy an ILCE-7 with IBIS and fast OSPDAF as a77 replacement, but if it it lacks IBIS or has crappy unsupportive OSPDAF it’d get APS-C Amount mirrorless without consideration
I was about to post the same question about what the ILCE-7 was going to be. If it is a high end camera like the Olympus OMD E-M5 that is still light but has a good user interface and IBIS I would be very interested in it over a NEX-7 successor without IBIS.
I am not expecting Sony’s OSPDAF to be any better than what they developed for the new Olympus E-M1. The history of OSPDAF has been high hopes for SLR like speed and disappointment when camera comes out. AF in video works better but that is about the only big improvement. OSPDAF helps AF but is a small step for faster AF, not a huge leap. The only exception is the Nikon 1 but since there has never been a model without OSPDAF in that lineup there is no way to know how much it helped, I suspect they would have focused fast even without the OSPDAF.
I could be wrong, but was the ICL-9 (FF, E-mount, DSLR-shape) mentioned before at all?
Why can’t I select the A77 firmware 🙂
I mean, firmware update.
Wanna BUY it??????
If firmware was worth buying, yes. I think camera companies are missing a trick here.
If it’d be something really worth the money – yes, I would.
If it’d be a dozen of DLCs like the NEX Apps – no, I wouldn’t.
The single Sony I’ll be interested in for the foreseeable would be what probably is named ILC-7 here, presuming it comes with IBIS and sensor-shift AF. It would supplant my NEX-C3 as a body for my legacy Minolta SR/MC/MD glass while adding AF to them, and, as a bonus, offer automatically focused use of the majority of lenses existing in this world, including combinations with the Speed Booster focal length reducer, and including most if not all A-Mount lenses made since the beginning of the Minolta AF system back in the Eighties.
Except, of course, my Four Thirds lenses.
Which I’m still using with my Olympus DSLR for the time being – which is why the E-M1 will most probably become my primary camera within a year or so.
These are interesting times with tough decisions to make 😉
Grrrr because I AM a 7 successor waiter! But if the ILC 7 has IBIS and Z-sensor shift, I forgive Sony BIG TIME!
I hate the ” wait and see” policy.
By the way, i m torn between Nex FF, Nex 7 and Nex 7 successor.
As they dont release any specs, i wonder if the Nex 7 successor will be a worthy improvement of Nex-7.
Moreover I’m a rookie with Fujifilm Bridge camera and i wonder if I should not first buy Nex APS-C camera before upgrading to Nex FF when i will have improve photography skills?
Veterans ! SOS 😀
Yes buy an APS-C NEX first. Unless you have money to burn, full frame is probably way too much of a jump from a bridge camera. APS-C cameras are capable of excellent results – as good as most people will ever need. Just spend some extra money on a couple of good lenses, at least one of them a prime lens, and you’ll see what an APS-C camera is capable of.
So it’s the same old “wait and see” policy for a-mount? I’m more than happy with my a77 for the time being… Personally I’d like to hear more about how Sony is going to respond to the 6d and d600 (I don’t buy the stuff about not competing – imho that was just Sony saying they weren’t going to launch another ff dslt). What we (ok, I) really need is a £1500 model – around 24mp with ibis and the a77 lcd.
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What’s the difference between a FF ILC and a FF NEX??? Just the register distance? Are they really going to keep two different registers when they are completely redefining the whole system? Why keep the old register when a new short register plus adapter can let you use both old -mirror- and new -mirrorless- lenses?
Nex has a compact form factor, while ILC has DSLR form factor
Ergonimics.
About $1000??? The various and changing rumors are suggesting that there will be both an expensive and really expensive FF E-mount body. Since Sony decided to make their cheapest APS-C E mount body look like a SLR (the A3000) they might do the same thing with FF. A $2800 FF NEX for those that want the smallest possible FF camera and a $1800 ILCE-9 for those that want the least expensive FF camera from any maker.
No matter what the actual cost is the ILCE-9 would also appeal to people that want a larger camera with more controls and better ergonomics. If you just want a FF sensor to put behind some legacy lenses you already own a larger camera might be a better choice.
The $2800 and $1800 numbers are just guesses on my part. I have no way of knowing how much these cameras will cost. But the A3000 suggests that Sony has realized they need to increase their market share if they want to succeed in the camera business and the best way to do that is undercut the price of the competition. If they can get their toe in the door now with the least expensive FF camera available it would really help them in the future as FF becomes less expensive and more common.
very well possible. I assume that the ILCE-9 is going to be Sony’s entry in this new “entry level full frame” class that includs for example the Canon 6D. so price will be accordingly I guess
Yes, the price will be set accordingly – $3000 🙂
I expect nothing less from Sony
Interesting point. If they opted for the way of cheap FF, how about high end APS-C? The price will be too close. A77 buyers might feel cheated. Canon has the same dilemma. How they gonna price 7D successor? The only way Sony can sell cheap FF without hurting high end lines is to make it, well, cheap. Really cheap. Basically, A3k with FF sensor in it. This way, budget buyer now has the opportunity to taste the FF flavor. Pros might not interested in it, but manual shooters will be more than happy to attach their legacy lenses onto it. Price it like USD1600. I think 1200 is even possible(remember A3000 body). Let’s see how Sony plays this FF game in response to Canikon recent FF price drop.
Well, Olympus dared to release m43 camera priced over 2000$ and people defend it like crazy – just read comments: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m1/7
So I guess with right amount of blind fanboys – everything can be justified.
Ragnarok, the register distance will be the same regardless of whether an E-mount camera is a NEX or an ILC — 18mm.
Lenses are designed around a specific register/flange distance, i.e. the distance between the mounting flange and the film or sensor, so you can’t just change the register distance and have a lens still focus properly! That’s all that the “dumb” legacy-to-NEX glass adapters do: move the lens further from the sensor, so the effective flange distance is the same as on the camera the lens was originally designed for.
The only significant difference between a NEX and an ILC is body size and ergonomics.
I think a lot of people clamoring for NEX-FF may change their mind when they see how much bigger and heavier (and more expensive) equivalent field of view focal length lenses are going to be compared to E-mount APS-C lenses. This may shift their opinion to the NEX7 successor 😉
Nope. NEX-FF all the way!
sure: M-mount lenses are known to be sooo huge…
seriously, people will LOVE FF NEX !
but M lenses don’t have AF, that’s why they’re smaller. i simply would like to see some better fruits from cooperation between sony hasselblad and zeiss. zeiss has all ZM range of lenses and all are great (i have 50 and have had 35). then there’s a question of hasselblad and sony, zeiss used to make lenses for hasselblad V system (not sure about H system so not commenting on that one) so why not release FF V system? a complete lego, change backs, viewfinders and lenses.
BEHOLD THE GLORIOUS CONTAX G – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax_G
is this some kind of german black magic?
Contax G is a lovely camera and the one I was considering to buy, but in the end I was offered M6 for a really good price so went for Leica, might add Contax G to my collection at some point though
Zeiss Ikon for your pleasure – http://lenses.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/en_de/camera_lenses/zeiss-ikon/zeiss_ikon_camera.html
check it in silver 😉
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Because of the existence of Leica M and Contax G, there’s no doubt FF and AF aren’t valid excuses for large lenses.
The OM system might count too.
It’s really amusing how folks are clamoring for cameras to use old MF lenses with and at the same time rejecting the resulting cameras for their poor AF. Do folks really want to see AF go away? Sony can probably make more profit off MF only cameras, maybe that’s what is coming next.
These are 2 different types of people.I personally don’t give a damn about AF.
But Sony most definitely can’t make as much money off MF bodies, everybody knows that the lenses are the rip-offs, modern glass isn’t going to sell without its electronics, it’d be inferior to legacy lenses in most aspects and be more expensive at the same time.
me personally i couldn’t care less about AF, sure, nice to have but not a deal breaker for me. i can focus pretty quickly using RF and when shooting 6×6 it’s anyway mostly tripod work with precise focusing.
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I shoot animals running and birds flying… I couldn’t care less about MF lenses. Give me as fast as possible AF!
i’m an AF addict
i also do not yet own R-mount bodies
but i totally understand why people put G-mount lenses & co on their NEX-7
these are so beautifull FF glass parts !
Zeiss should produce AF versions of these 45 PLANAR & co for FF NEX !!!
NEVER compare M-mount lenses to E-mount lenses. They never were and never will be similar in any way. And there are dozens of reasons for that (most relate to optical engineering mixed with sensor designs).
are you saying M- & G-mount lenses give bad results on R-mount bodies ?
Well, now that the A57 is out of production, and the 65 and 77 are rumoured to be too, my concern is what I can do if (God forbid) my A55 gives up the ghost on me. I would like Sony to have produced something which is either affordable for me, and compatible with my A mount lenses, or perhaps something so good it makes all you millionaires sell your A77s on eBay….
Go and buy the A77 while it’s cheap, it’ll knock the crap out of your A55.
I agree. I am very happy with my upgrade from the a55 to the a77 in every way. I get great IQ from it. I have been able to extend my flying bird photography to choosing the frames from bursts that demonstrate the beat pattern or cycle of the wing movement.
Either the ILC-7 or the NEX-7 successor will be my next camera; I just need a high resolution APS-C sensor with good dinimic range. I do not care about IBIS specialy if it helps keep the price down.
If this two cameras come with many fancy features I do nmot need but at high expense I may get a NEX-7 at sale price
What about the new hybrid A-E mount systems? There were some rumors about that…
I’m pretty sure the ILC-7 is going to be my next camera.
I’m also quite surprised to see so little interest in this camera, with OSPDAF it will be capable of using two lens lines (E and A mount). Even if the E lens line is somewhat week at this point, this is definitely a strong point in the future.
What’s the atraction of a A mount body at this point? Specially when everything else appears to be the same?
OSPDAF will only work well for lenses designed for PDAF – in other words A mount lenses. Current E mount lenses are not designed for PDAF and will always use CDAF. (Just like what Olympus are doing on the new OM-D EM-1)
I just bought a NEX-7, RX100 and A99 last year … I’m not spending more money on new cameras anytime soon, no matter how spectacular they might be 😉
To be honest – the NEX-FF/ILCE9 will be a nice thing, but for me personally useless because I own almost all A mount FF lenses on which I spent a hell of a money.
So my highest desired modell is an A-Mount pro model (or somebody who pays me a reasonable price for my set of A-Mount lenses, hehe)
The second model I am waiting for is the NEX7 successor, as the NEX7 is my everyday gear and my vacation-gear (so here my most important factors are size and weight).
Although i would consider buying several of the new cameras all depends on resolution and of course price is a factor.
For c size camera i would consider 32mp with some upgrade to current specs.
For full frame 36mp would not be enough for me.
56mp would match the res of the old 24mp a77 and i would consider buying.
74mp would match the resolution of the new c and be ideal for me.
I currently shoot c size but most of my lenses are ff lenses.
There are advantages to shooting the smaller sensor with the higher resolution such as greater depth of field and crop factor for long lenses.
Currently choosing a full frame gives up those advantages. A ff that exactly duplicates the resolution and quality of the crop camera would maintain all of those advantages AND give more image with the same lenses.
I have neen very happy with the image quality of my a77.
I just want more image at the same quality level.
I currently need to stitch images to get enough detail. I want my more expensive ff camera to provide MORE IMAGE not BIGGER PIXEL.
Most users do not need or want what I do but a solid 10%10% of all camera users want over 50mp as one of thier most important features.
Puttin a high res (or more precisely a matching res ) sensor on just one of sonys new ff universal cameras would be irresistible to 10% of both sony and non sony users.
90% of sonys new cameras could still be fewer mp for the other 90%I of users.
Enticing this 10% of high end professional non sony users to buy a sony body would be absolutely essential if sony plans to expand thier market share.
This 10% would all be high end and professionals that would influence others to buy sony.
My critics will correctly point out that 90% of users have other priorities and not want a 50 +mp camera.
Canon and Nikon could never have dominated the market if the ignored the needs of 10% of the users including proffesionals.
Thier reputation is built on meeting all the photographers needs.
Pros will tell you they may not need everything Camon/Nikon offers but its there when they need it.
If sony only caters to the mass market they will always be sony..not Sony.
I am with you in the 10% that wants higher resolution, especially if Sony are sticking with Bayer sensors.
We may just have to be patient. Only a few years ago 10 or 12 Mpix was standard, and quite expensive. Now we have the bargain A3000 with 20 Mpix.
The time will come when the entry models have 40 Mpixels and the better models 80. But it will be a few years, I think. Maybe not until the 8k TVs are in the shops.
I can only agree with you. As long as Sony doesn’t have a real top-end pro camera there not even allowed in the ball park. And these things cost real $$$ or Euros, yen.
Right now there is not much of an incentive for a ‘pro dealer’ to sell a Sony to Joe Average Showoff (where the real money is), the Canon 1D guy with the 300mm 2.8, (notice how they never, as in never, have a wide angle on these rigs), a Billingham case, a couple of batteries, a dozen 128 gig card and we’re close to $18,000 and a cool $2,400 profit or in simpler term a $600 to $800 bonus to the ‘not on commission’ sale person.
These “suc…”, I mean “amateurs” are the ones that pays for the pro. Nikon and Canon set aside a 10 to 15% of the MSRP for “pro support” (aka the tents), in fact having our friend Joe A. Showoff subsidizing the real pro. Sony doesn’t have such a money machine available with its current pricing. It actually offers more for the dollar than either Canon or Nikon do but cannot raise the prices higher for lack of a “real” pro camera.
And their other experience in pro support, the video field, doesn’t compare. While Joe A. Su.. I mean Showoff will buy a top of the line DSLR (much cheaper than an Harley) he will not buy a HDC broadcast camera at 100K plus lens. There Sony must be setting aside around 20% for ‘support’.
And those “Pro” cameras are real DSLRs. That’s a hint to Sony where they have to go to be in that bunch. Quit basing cameras on old P&S style cameras and imitation DSLRs. Could help if their management came from something other than P&S.
Management can only be based on products, if Sony had different management teams for its PS and ‘semi-pro’ line the situation would even be more confusing than it is now. And we tend to forget here that these guys must also be in charge of PS video camera and the low end ‘prosumers’ video cam. Tough job in a sliding market, the PC way of saying ‘dropping under you market’.
If, and I repeat IF, Sony came with a real pro cam, whatever the original sensor size, that would offer more or be better than the top of the line Canon 1D or Nikon D4, then it would have a winner, optical or electronic viewfinder. At a hi-end pro pricing.
One of the question not addressed often here or elsewhere is the noise factor, not JPG, but decibel. My A77 is a lot quieter in ‘motor’ mode than a 1D or D4, a completely mirrorless DSLR TYPE camera would be even quieter if not silent. One of the reasons why pro photographer need the beer can is that they are being kept farther and farther away from speakers at press conferences. 10 years ago, not too many photographers were in ‘motor mode’, at best you could stretch 40 pictures in a cartridge and with a motor drive you never knew if the film would skip a sprocket with the disastrous result that it incurred. For the last 5 years, most cameras can take 6 fps or more almost forever for the top of the line Canikon, listen to a US presidential press conference for an idea of the ruckus. So a real 12fps continuous silent motor mode would be a godsend and soon noisy camera would be banned. Older pros will remember when non blimped news film cameras (mostly Auricons in North America) were told to stay home in the early 70’s when Cinema Product came out with the CP16 and when Umatic took over even those where considered too noisy. And 16mm film offered a lot more than ¾ inch offered in term in quality, speed and reliability till the early 80’s.
Pro news photographers are also realist; they don’t expect that shooting at ISO 6400 should bring the same quality than 400. They are happy to get anything above for free, but it’s not a huge selling point.
By the way, most don’t care much about lens photographic quality, built is another thing. If a beer can can be used as a hammer in an emergency this is a better selling point than another line of resolution.
What they care about, another mute subject here and other forum, is color rendition, the gamut. Especially in the fashion and entertainment field.
Pro studio photographer are another beast altogether. The more dpi the better for them. They crop, they Photoshop® to death. They need resolution and perfect color rendition. But are they really DSLR people? They much prefer sticking a Leaf behind their Hassy and control everything from their MacBook often connected to a LaCie monitor. They are also the one being courted aggressively by RED to buy into the system as a dual photo and hi-rez (4K) video system.
I don’t think that Sony’s PS people understand this market well, yet the future of the brand depends on it. It’s those Canon straps at the Super Bowl that sells Canon Rebels and T, the real bread and butter market. As is the once in a while glimpse of a Sony sign on a broadcast camera, all taken and switched without the ‘consideration provided by…’ lower third… sells camcorder.
@ Jean-Yves.
I don’t think many pros will buy a DSLR or DSLR-like camera from Sony. Most already have too much nvested in Canon or Nikon gear. To get them to switch would require better flash system, better auto focus, better lenses, better IQ than Canon or Nikon offer – and a wider range of lenses than Sony have as well as pro-level service and third party support too.
Full frame NEX is interesting. Few pros are actually going to abandon their DSLR systems for that. But, if it is really good, I can imagine a lot of them buying them to use alongside their full frame DSLRs. If a number of highly visible pros are seen using Sony cameras it should start to have a “halo effect” on the rest of the line. Of course Nikon and Canon have had this for decades – and it will take a long time to equal that.
Wow, can Sony be killing the A-mount sooner than even I expected. It’s starting to feel like Sony’s attitude is.. “We are developing e-mounts…. Maybe eventually we will stick a-mount compatibility on our e-mount cameras. Our premium dSLR will be the ILC 7/9… Maybe eventually we will get around to sticking an A-mount on the ILC 7/9.”
By the same logic apsc nex should also be on its way to the glue factory… The a-mount is safe unless and until Sony makes fast e-mount glass.
All fast A-mount glass is compatible with E-mount with an adapter….
and there are lots of fast E-mount lenses on the horizon..
35mm f/2.8, 55mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8 Zeiss are all coming.
First… rumors were that Sony would keep making the A-mount for consumers who wanted “dSLR” ergonomics…. Well… they are putting those “dSLR” ergonomics into the E-mount.
Rumors suggest IF there is a new aps-c A-mount, it will be identical to the ILC-7, except for the actual lens mount. Furthermore, rumors suggest such a product would SKIP the holiday season, and be released early next year — In other words, Sony is pushing the E-mount, and *might* release an A-mount copy of the product just to sell to pre-existing A-mount customers.
Very clearly, they are putting almost all of their eggs into the E-mount basket.
It’s much like the A580— There were many that feared it was the last true dSLR — But rumors continued…. “Sony is committed to dSLRs… An A700 dSLR successor is coming……” THen the rumors shifted to… “Sony is committed to dSLTs/dSLRs” and “Sony is committed dSLR-style cameras”… then…. “The A700 successor will be a dSLT A77″….. I believe to this day, Sony has never officially announced they are done making true dSLRs.
I wonder if all the rumors we had heard about a new mirrorless A-mount were really referring to the ILC-7. (Easy to see how rumors would be confused — “Yes– Sony is going to keep making dSLR-style cameras… but they will be mirrorless” — If someone heard this statement from Sony a few months ago, they would have assumed Sony meant they were going to keep making A-mounts).
All fast A-mount glass is compatible with E-mount with an adapter….
and there are lots of fast E-mount lenses on the horizon..
35mm f/2.8, 55mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8 Zeiss are all coming.
First… rumors were that Sony would keep making the A-mount for consumers who wanted “dSLR” ergonomics…. Well… they are putting those “dSLR” ergonomics into the E-mount.
Rumors suggest IF there is a new aps-c A-mount, it will be identical to the ILC-7, except for the actual lens mount. Furthermore, rumors suggest such a product would SKIP the holiday season, and be released early next year — In other words, Sony is pushing the E-mount, and *might* release an A-mount copy of the product just to sell to pre-existing A-mount customers.
Very clearly, they are putting almost all of their eggs into the E-mount basket.
It’s much like the A580— There were many that feared it was the last true dSLR — But rumors continued…. “Sony is committed to dSLRs… An A700 dSLR successor is coming……” THen the rumors shifted to… “Sony is committed to dSLTs/dSLRs” and “Sony is committed dSLR-style cameras”… then…. “The A700 successor will be a dSLT A77″….. I believe to this day, Sony has never officially announced they are done making true dSLRs.
I wonder if all the rumors we had heard about a new mirrorless A-mount were really referring to the ILC-7. (Easy to see how rumors would be confused — “Yes– Sony is going to keep making dSLR-style cameras… but they will be mirrorless” — If someone heard this statement from Sony a few months ago, they would have assumed Sony meant they were going to keep making A-mounts).
As said dozens of times – majority of people doesn’t have any interest in using adapters.
Heck – majority of people got a lot of concerns using 3rd party lenses, even though they use NATIVE bayonets. No adapters anywhere on the way.
And – no, the current situation is nothing like A580. You got it explained few times in detail already, yet you keep in repeating the same thing over and over again.
The majority of people don’t want to use adapters — true.
The majority of people are not heavily invested in A-mount glass. — A fact you ignore.
The majority of camera buyers never get more than a couple of cheap lenses.
The overwhelming majority of people would not see any advantage in an A-mount ILC versus an E-mount ILC — a fact you also ignore.
Sony’s behavior is indeed very very similar to the situations surrounding the A580 — vague statements by Sony about being committing to dSLRs… rumors of new true dSLRs… in the meantime, it was very obvious that Sony was putting all the focus on dSLTs.
It is a fact that Sony is treating the A-mount as the ugly forgotten stepchild. I’m not saying that Sony will never make another A-mount camera — For all I know, they might still make another dSLR some day! But it is darn obvious that the A-mount is not much of a priority for them.
One can look at Sony’s own history — The abandoned buyers who wanted true dSLRs.
One can look at what is happening elsewhere in the market — Oly/Pan is no longer making native 4/3rd cameras, even though there are lots of people with 4/3 lenses.
Sony is creating a path whereby the A-mount is redundant and unnecessary. It won’t disappear overnight.
I’d be surprised if we didn’t see a new A-mount full frame.
But I actually doubt we will ever see another A-mount APS-C camera for the consumer market ($500-$900 price range).
No Nex 7 successor this year? WTF?
I am sitting since Jul 2010 on a Nex 5 now, i know, my fault but all the time i could resist the special offers for the old Nex7. Cmon Sony … Waiting since spring, since the first rumors starts up.
I need new toy
I will wait for a full frame E mount with 4K video.
I’m really afraid… I think A-Mount community need new APS-C and FF camera!
At least a new REAL firmware update for A77… the currenttop gamma APS-C! 🙁
I think the A-mount croud is really looking for Sony to proove that there is future for it. The ILCE is a strange hybrid and its unclear where the ILCE ends and the A-mount starts. A lot of new E-mount lenses coming out, but very very silent on A-mount lenses. So my investment into lenses is currently frozen and will only continue once Sony assures me that the A-mount will continue to flourish.
It seems reasonable to delay the new A-mounts if as rumored they are to deliver new technology. After all the ILCE while being “new” cameras are mostly the same A-mount cameras we already know repackaged to fit the E-mount.
It’s good to wait for A models who will blow your mind and that aren’t really Christmas deals types of cameras anyhow.
Other way around — You missed the rumor that the A79 will be identical to the ILC-7..
The ILCs will not be clones of A-mounts…
Instead, Sony is putting the technology and development into ILCs… with the thought that they might release an A-mount clone.
What Sony has been showing is there is no real new technology to put in their cameras. Just refurbished old stuff to fool folks. Certainly nothing new in ILC. That is the lie about waiting, waiting, waiting. For wishful thinking that Physics mostly makes into compromises. Sony is no better than anyone else at technology.
If Sony are abandoning SLT – and pretty obviously they will never make any more OVF DSLRs – there is probably little point in them bringing out new A-mount models until they have on-sensor PDAF which is equal to other PDAF systems.
If they have the guts to replace the SLT line with on-sensor PDAF, it can mean one of two things – (1) significantly new technology, (2) big flop
Andrea,Thank you very much for the info.
Does anyone know if any of the new Sony cameras have 10-bit or higher uncompressed video at the HDMI port? Or support for HDMI-2?
I know the great majority of people are most concerned about still images, as am I, but video is becoming increasingly important in my world.
Here’s what will make me upgrade from my current NEX-5N
I want:
-all the features of 5N, NEX5N form-factor, tilt-touch screen etc
-Primary reason: OSPDAF/better Continuous AF (similar to Canon 70D, if it proves to be faster than PDAF/CDAF/Hybrid AF, and not make NEX body larger)
-tri-navi or dedicated mode switch dial, I don’t like 2 dials on top of each other 5R-style
-Olympus 5-axis stabilization (if it somehow won’t make the body too big, like IBIS usually does, in lens OIS is perfectly fine)
-F1.8 or F2 standard zoom as kit/separate lens (as compact and light as possible)
-ability to turn flash on/off in iAuto would be convenient
-Wi-Fi/NFC a plus but not required (Eye-Fi is good enough)
A plus but not required:
-RX100 iAuto/iAuto+ modes
-RX100 lens control wheel
-RX100 menus
-RX100 dedicated video mode
-RX100 M1/M2/M3 – 3 slots for memory settings
I don’t want:
-DSLR-shape and weight, large A-Mount lenses
-sensor Z-shift – will make the NEX body bigger, I don’t want to adapt just any lens, I want 1-2 fast-enough compatible zooms, that’s all. I’m a one-lens-do-it-all person. Also, I don’t want to feel parts moving inside the camera, possibly wearing off and breaking
-IBIS/on sensor stabilization – I think it will make the body bigger, attract dust, moving parts will break, will need manual calibration/cleanup. In lens OIS is good enough
-DSLT/DSLR mirror. Mirrorless is the future
-fast primes – Anything without zoom is not worth it. I will never trade convenience for quality. Don’t make me step-back-forth to compose, do it for me.
-FF NEX – will be too big/expensive, no fast lens, won’t work with Metabones like APS-C NEX
-In body AF motor – in lens SSM/HSM/USM and NEX lens AF motor are fine, just don’t buy SAM/screw-driven lens
-EVF/OVF – don’t need one, expensive, LCD/Focus Peaking is good enough. Don’t make me eye-peeping through some hole in the 21st century we’re living. Everything can be corrected in Post 🙂
-larger grip – I want a slim body.
-rigged/weather sealed – if the lens/body do not suck dust that’s good enough
Why not 5R/5T:
-Hybrid AF is not good enough
-I don’t like 2 dials on top of each other
-I don’t like metal rings on both sides for strap cling-clanging all the time. I want silent metal brackets for strap 5N style.
-5N dynamic range and some other performance characteristics are still better
Why not 6/7:
-too big/heavy
-too expensive
-no touchscreen
-slow AF in 7, hybrid AF in 6 – not good enough
Why not LA-EA2:
-too bulky/expensive
-I don’t need AF motor to support loud screw-driven AF lens, I will buy ones with SMM/HSM
-I don’t want SLT mirror to steal 30% of light from already not so fast F2.8 zoom
-I want to be able to change settings during video, instead of getting a fixed footage at F3.5 even for fast lens
-I want AF to work in the whole range, not just starting from F3.5
-also, please consider a built-in speed booster (instead of SLT mirror). This way it will work perfectly with the future OSPDAF APS-C NEX
who needs a touchscreen to operate a camera ???
does it even work with gloves ?
is it still sensitive when touching it under the rain ?
how do you manage to use it when looking through the EVF ?
i just cannot imagine it can replace dials
Touchscreen is perfect for:
-focusing (sometimes +taking a shot)
-enlarging/panning the image in the viewer after the shot
-sometimes picking/cancelling smth in the menu (rarely)
-using touchscreen with gloves is a plus, but not required
-I don’t need it to be capacitive vs non-capacitive – i.e. as responsive as the one on a smartphone, since you don’t do image editing on NEX, you just focus/flip through images/magnify them
I can’t think of a reason of not having a touchscreen, and I don’t understand why most DSLRs are still lacking it. The new Canon 70D has it and proves once again that touchscreen is perfect for focusing during stills/video.
I agree that it won’t replace dials, and that’s one of the things I don’t like about NEX-5N. I want more dials, be able to switch modes fast.
Also I’d like to add Wi-Fi to the list of the things that I want on the future NEX, since Sony now has an API for Android apps for remote control of the camera. I’d like to be able to program series of shots on NEX with certain settings from my smartphone.
What kind of videos are you people taking?…Of birthday parties? Any serious video is not going to do with AF, let alone touch focus AF that shifts focus in an instant instead of smoothly.
Touchscreens also make sure you have plenty of smudges on your screen all the time. Just perfect for what a screen is originally for, just perfect.
touchscreen is a common trend of our times, it comes from smartphones/tablets and most people have become quite used to it already – no one seems to be complaining about the smudges. The devices that still don’t have it just look strange and dumb in a way 🙂
I don’t shoot serious video, I do not create videos myself, I record events. I just don’t want the AF to lag much, don’t want to switch lenses to take shots, or focus manually – I do it all in one shot. NEX is very capable as a video camera, as well as almost perfect stills shooter. Most of the time even RX100 video is good enough for me. RX100 doesn’t have a touchscreen, so it seems quite natural to use it in auto mode for stills or shoot video. If I want better quality in low light/more control over focusing I switch to NEX.
Touchscreen is a fine way to add more motion blur to photos. That’s why top end cameras don’t have it and are unlikely to ever have it. Top end folks are interested in photo quality not compromises. It’s P&S and Cell Phone mentality who are happy to show off photos full of motion blur.
You mean, top end cameras like Phase One? Oh wait…
Well, I’m not top end, I have the touchscreen mentality, and I’d gladly compromise on quality for convenience. Just give me smth to touch and I’ll be happy 🙂
@Vlad
Phase-One cameras are usually shot on sturdy tripods or with powerful strobes (half the time probably tethered) – so no need to be concerned about motion blur caused by touching an LCD.
@Sahaja Yeah, try to make excuses now for WK’s comment 🙂
How is touching a screen going to introduce more motion than pushing a button? What a nonsense!
Well someone has to provide a little sympathty for Walt (aka “WK”).
I’d say you can usually press buttons or twiddle manual controls with a finger without taking removing the grip of one hand from the camera. With touch screen control you have to remove one hand from the camera to touch the screen – also you need to hold the camera away from your body to see the screen rather than keeping it at eye level.
Anyway us old people prefer to use manual controls. Touch screen would be OK on a tripod when using live-view.
That is precisely when I find it useful. I am all for manual controls, trust me 🙂
I understand the benefits of touch screen in live view. Trouble is as soon as you have it some will say we can simplify the design and manufacturing, improve reliability, save money and make more profits by getting rid of the manual controls. Too many times these people in a company end up winning the argument.
Touch screen is extremely handy for checking critical focus.
As for “Metabones will not work on FF” – I think it will. You would reduce the image from a FF legacy lens to the size of APS-C, thus gaining a useful stop of speed in bad light, at the expense of pixel numbers.
If Sony get the software right, you may even be able to switch off the crop function and record the full circular image. (This would apply also to native E mount APS-C lenses.)
“Touch screen is extremely handy for checking critical focus”
so you use it instead of the magnifier button ???
but then you have to quit the viewfinder…
Some people use tripods or shoot in uncomfortable positions.
Lets hope, but I somehow doubt that it will work in crop mode. Metabones is possible due to the flange distance difference between FF and APS-C and no blocking mirror, contains a combination of focal reducing lenses designed for FF. It will probably need larger lens, electronic communication with the lens. And current versions of Metabones only support that for Canon EF to some degree. They are mostly cheaper and dumber for other mounts in my understanding.
@ Dan – You already get the one stop advantage just by having a full frame sensor. The metabones speed booster just concentrates the same amount of light in a smaller area ~ it doesn’t make the lens gather any more light. On APS-C it is an advantage because without it you are wasting half the light. But, if you already have a full frame sensor, you are already getting all the light. Concentrating it into a portion of the sensor will only cause loss of IQ compared to using all the sensor.
Maybe you could have a speed booster for medium format lenses – but otherwise it would be pretty much useless for full frame mirrorless camera.
Why should it replace dials? AF didn’t replace MF, you just have one more handy feature. It is amazing that people complain about adding a feature that might be useful to some and it doesn’t affect the rest of the camera at all.
Touch screen usually ends up replacing dials and buttons rather than suplementing them because, once you have a touch screen, it is much cheaper to manufacture devices without many manual controls.
Well, I definitely wouldn’t like when that to happen. I love buttons and dials. Lots of them.
Posted too soon. The screens take already quite a lot of space on the camera, might as well have them do as much as possible.
sounds like you could build a camera for and by yourself, what I mean is if Sony can’t do it what you want just go head and build it yourself…you know what and how you want it. I just hope you can make it 🙂
interchangeable lens RX camera would be my pick but it’s not on the list
I think the Cybershot division does fixed-lens cameras and the Alpha division does the interchangeable lens cameras.
But then some people already modify DPs into M mount cameras LOL, you could DIY with an RX…http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.4-7055923565.8.TFzxZQ&id=16897677837
I haven’t read all the comments, but is it possible the ILC-7 is the NEX-7 replacement?
Curious about Sony’s NEX FF. But there is a likely chance they’ll shoot themselves in the foot with a rubbish lens lineup and a rubbish user interface / ergonomics, as usual. If, for example, that $2000-3000 NEX FF doesn’t have a proper auto ISO implementation, or keeps the current NEX menu system, that should pretty much tell us that Sony’s managed by idiots.
I already find the rumoured lens lineup uninteresting (35 too slow to make the system competitive in terms of price / performance ratio with smaller sensors mirrorless systems with brighter 35mm equivalents, and 55mm too long for a normal lens), so we’ll see.
It’s too bad, at least Sony’s willing to innovate and has the technical know-how to make great things.
How come I find all these problems out of the way…
The only things I want changed on my NEX 7
1.APS-C into FF
2.IBIS
3.Full electronic shutter option( I need silence more than response speed)
4.Full brass mount, this piece of plastic is buckling under the weight of a lens of about 1kg, now I don’t have infinity on my 50/1.4, unless I push my lens inwards, hard…unacceptable.
5.The damn video button out of the way…(already done on NEX 6)
6.The fake leather on the grip not stuck on with double-sided tape…
Everything else is fine to me!
Nice list. Add for me:
7. Proper remote
8. Tethering
Hi i wod disgrace my self for samting like the “a950” camera and no nex or icl camera will ever make me happy
I tink yoi ned to lern to rite beter.
For me, it’s all going to come down to the size, weight, and price battle between the following cameras. Three walk into the ‘cage’, only one walks out!
Sony NEX FF vs
Nikon’s smallest FF vs
Canon’s smallest FF
I’m sure once the specs are released my first stop will be camerasize dot com
Features will be secondary as presumably I can always upgrade to a higher-end, more fully-featured model in future if I wish (and when I have more money to burn). Right now I’m more interested in who is going to break the size/cost barrier.
IQ isn’t an issue as I *expect* high quality from all 3 of these companies but low light performance would be the next most important factor for me.
I’m looking for a proper firmware update for the existing cameras!
Me too, for the A77.
Do you Shoot Raw??
You dont need it, jpg are much lower quality just use RAW with capute one, its a perfect!!
+1 +1
A77 firmware V2.0 🙂
What is a proper firmware update? One that eats with a salad fork and sits up straight? What’s not proper about what we already got?
I think you are going to be sorely disappointed when 6 months from now, when the new cameras are out, you realize the new cameras are the ‘firmware’ update solution; a hardware update.
I don’t see anything seriously wrong with the cameras now, and I suspect they’re more than ‘good enough’ for the likes of Sony.
2 months! How about 7 months! That is when we started with Nex7n. Dont get me wrong, rumour is rumour – i am happy to get some info. But you know it gets very hard sometimes for us when we wait a long time & these things dont turn up. ANDREA, i totally appreciate your efforts, & without you we have no idea – 0 – but sometimes it gets us crazy too!!!
If the A79 was on that list I would have selected it.
“APS-C A-mount mirrorless”
Actually…strike that. No I wouldn’t have. I would have gone with a Nikon.
My vote is for a revamped a99. Wonderful camera, but it does NOT trounce the Canon 5DmkIII as thoroughly as it needs to. We still have wireless Flash Timing issues, higher Video transfer rate is needed, and a 5-axis AF would all create a TRUE Canon-Nikon Top Pro Camera competitor in ALL areas. This highest-level camera is badly needed by ALL for brand integrity — even if most of you need lower-spec cameras than a99.
Those of you wanting E-mount cameras: have you looked seriously at lens offerings? Do they meet your needs? Presently there are NO E-mount FF lenses — then why do we need a E-mount FF camera?
ILC-9 is a surprise to me! If that had come out when a99 did, I’d be a total Sony fangirl by now…
I’ve been waiting for an upgraded NEX 7 forever now. I needed faster AF and a bright standard zoom. None of this is coming, at least not in any forseable future.
I just solved the problem : I bought another NEX 7 (used) a like new LA-EA2 (used) and a 16-50/2.8 SSM (used). I’m perfectly happy, do not need anything else, and Sony just lost an opportunity to take the 1700€ I was ready to shell out for a 7x with 2.8 new SEL zoom. Total of my new set-up : less than 1200€. 500€ and proven gear that works flawlessy, and also can use any other quality A mount lens I fancy to add in the future 🙂
You ‘fancy’ to add? What a classy thing to say!
Congrats, at least one of us is now happy with their current Sony system! 🙂
May the force be with you, Claire!!!
You are right.
There s no reason to not release successor of Nex 7 after Sony did it with Nex-5 model, unless they wanna maximize their sales of Nex FF to Nex owners or future owners.
Like calxn said, only a small group would buy Nex FF if other new models were available but by postponing the release of new high end APS-C, they will sell a lot more of their three Nex FF camera (free prediction : the cheap Nex FF will be the one more sold as it will be the model Sony dedicated to replace nex-7)
I understand they wanna make money but i don’t like to wait and see forever :p
Just curious, what do you shoot and why did you choose the 16-50 over the upcoming 16-70 (that’s probably the same question) and how do you find the 16-50 on your NEX-7?
I shoot indoor horse riding/jumping (kids classes mostly), as an amateur. The arena I mostly shoot in is very dim, and I absolutely need 2.8 to be able to keep decent shutter speeds. My rationale is this :
Used LA-EA2 : 200€
Used (still under warranty) 16-50/2.8 SSM : 420€
grand total 620€ for a 2.8 quality lens with garanteed fast AF with the adapter, on my beloved NEX 7, vs. a 1000€ F4 lens with leisurely AF… See my point ?
Of course, you lose half a stop to the mirror, so your f2.8 is effectively f3.2 (albeit with the DOF of a f2.8)… *and* you have no IS, so if you’re not tripod mounted you’re losing another stop or two! Point taken about AF speed, though… you’d be hurting with pure CDAF under those conditions.
I sure do. Simple curiosity. How is the handling? I remember that the 16-50 was rather well built and heavy.
Very much pointless to me, unless needed urgently.
Will find out today Vlad, I’ll test the combo and get back to you with my impressions. You can already see parts I and II of my little LA-EA2 review on my blog
Maybe Sony should get the on-sensor PDAF from the Olympus EM-5 as well as their 5-axis IBIS. Of course this only works well with lenses designed for PDAF (A-mount lenses).
I believe Sony E-mount lenses do support PDAF. In any case Olympus’ CDAF is also great.
As DPR puts it:
“The key difference between contrast-detection autofocus (as used in compacts and mirrorless cameras), and phase detection (as used in DSLRs) is that phase detection is able to assess how out-of-focus it is, whereas contrast detection has to scan through at least part of its focus range to find the point of optimal focus.”
“This difference totally changes to the way lenses need to be designed – lenses designed for phase detection need to be able to race to a specified location very quickly, whereas contrast detection lenses need to be able to scan back and forth very quickly. Traditionally, very few lenses designed for phase detection have coped very well with the subtle, scanning motion required for contrast detection.”
Olympus’ CDAF is good – faster than other CDAF systems – but still not great for tracking moving subjects. CDAF is of course good for accuracy.
Yeah, I’m gonna call B.S. on this whole “two different motors” idea, seems implausible. It may have been the case in the past, but it seems to me that any modern lens needs to be able to focus quickly to a given point AND quickly make minor adjustments. CDAF lenses do that endearing “zoom in to a foot away, then zip back all the way until you achieve a lock” trick pretty quickly, as annoying as it is, while PDAF lenses are good at AF tracking on a moving subject… what’s the difference between that and pulsing in and out?
As I reflect more on this, though… I can see how it might be much easier for a CDAF lens to do PDAF stuff than the other way around… maybe it’s the difference between smooth focus travel and quick, jerky focus travel? Is it simply a matter of gearing ratios?
With CDAF you may want lighter focusing elements – as with less mass it is easier to change directions quickly. With PDAF you can have heavier focusing elements since you only have to move them in one direction – but do have to stop accuratly at a given pre determined point.
Some lenses already employ three motors.
Fair enough.. that makes sense. Perhaps this is also why E-Mount lens apertures seem to top out at around f1.8? An f1.4 lens would have lerger, heavier elements, perhaps stressing the CDAF-optimized motor more.
Lenses designed to be good with both CDAF and PDAF might need two types of focusing motor. This would add expense, complexity and size – and so more things that might go wrong as well.
So that would mean that current E-mount lenses have two types of motor?
Because of the added expense and complexity I doubt it. They may use a motor that does both – but consequently is not best optimised for either.
I like having an E-mount for a simple reason – sensor cleaning. The A mount is a hazard, below the mirror and deep inside the body. E mount is so much easier! I’m using the hot dog method now, and it works great!
Does anyone else out there use the hot dog cleaning method for sensor cleaning?
For anyone wondering, the hot dog method is simple. You take a raw hot dog and wash it carefully with a mild unscented soap. Then wrap the end with pure cotton lightly dampened with ethyl alcohol (I use white wine). Then just lightly tap the sensor with the cotton tipped hot dog and it cleans it perfectly. The reason for the hot dog is it’s soft and wont scratch the camera if you mess up. Just don’t push too hard because it can break the dog and fling pieces inside. And, you can eat from the other end as you work (if you like raw hot dog – I do).
@AlphaGuy
I think you should suggest your “hot-dog method” to all those Nikon D600 users suffering with having oil and dust continually spattered all over their sensors.
That is a good idea! A few points I forgot to mention:
-Don’t use cheese dogs or beer brats
-Don’t use a bun around it – the pieces of bread will make more dust on the sensor
-Don’t use relish or other condiments on the hot dog.
And for anyone out there reading who thinks this is a good idea and NOT a joke – please run the idea past Sony before you completely destroy it and void the warranty. AKA, don’t blame me.
aps c mirrorless for me (in the 6 range ) if ILC i want a kit with 10-20mm or a speedbooster and Amount adapter
so i woudl rather have it Amount in the first place
Nobody else has released much this year. Nikon may release a warmed over D600 (“D610”), a mid level DSLR (D5300) and possibly a D4x; Canon the 70D, 700D & 100D; Olympus the OM-D EM-1; Panasonic the GX7& G6; Fujifilm the X100S and a couple of lower level X-cameras X-M1 & XA1; Pentax an entry level and mid level DSLR K50 & K500. Nothing much new and exciting in any of that.
If Sony do manage 2 NEX, 1 ILC-9, RX1R full frame cameras; SLT-A58, A3000, ILC-7, and RX10 APS-C cameras this year they will be doing far more than anybody else – and will have the only full frame mirrorless cameras besides Leica. Not surprising they don’t plan to update the NEX-7 and A99 as well. If anything, Sony may be releasing too many new and updated cameras.
I think this is great news! Focus on E-mount – it’s the system we need!
42% of 4220 people gone buy the FF NEX.
Well Sony got to get it right from the start, then it will be a success.
Yep, I’m back. Glad to hear that we are starting to turn the corner, and lots of people are starting to see the light. A-mount is dead, dead, dead. I’ve reported for some time now, and although the dehards keep protesting, and aying rude and disturning comments, reality is starting to sink in with the masses. But, like I’ve reported before, it will be alright. You need not hate Sony, there will be solutions for you. Just make beleive that A-mount is dead, dead, dead. Best regards,
Dan
You are out of your mind. You are just trying to spew your anti-A-mount bullsh*t all over. Guess what; if A-mount officially dies this year (2013), meaning, it is retired by Sony, I will pay you $5,000 cash USD. Hows that? Think I’m joking? Think again.
If not, you promise to never visit any Sony camera forum or board again. Then you cant spew your dead dead dead crap. I’m so tired of your opinion being lofted as if it is fact. Fact is, you have no flippin clue what’s going to happen…none of us do. Your smug little smile needs a diaper.
Canon EF is dead dead dead.
Canon EF-M is dead dead dead.
Canon EF-S is dead dead dead.
Canon FD is dead dead dead.
Canon FL is dead dead dead.
Contax N is dead dead dead.
Contax/Yashica bayonet is dead dead dead.
Contax RF bayonet is dead dead dead.
Exakta bayonet mount is dead dead dead.
Four Thirds bayonet mount is dead dead dead.
Fujica X bayonet is dead dead dead.
Fujifilm X-mount is dead dead dead.
Hasselblad V-mount is dead dead dead.
Konica F-mount is dead dead dead.
Konica AR-mount is dead dead dead.
M39 lens mount is dead dead dead.
Leica M mount is dead dead dead.
Leica R bayonet is dead dead dead.
Leica S-mount is dead dead dead.
M42 is dead dead dead.
Mamiya bayonet is dead dead dead.
Minolta A-mount is dead dead dead.
Sony A-mount is dead dead dead.
Sony E-mount is dead dead dead.
Minolta V-mount (Vectis) is dead dead dead.
Minolta SR-mount (MC/MD) is dead dead dead.
Miranda bayonet is dead dead dead.
Nikon F-mount is dead dead dead.
Nikon S-mount is dead dead dead.
Nikon 1-mount is dead dead dead.
Olympus OM-mount is dead dead dead.
Pentacon 6/P6 is dead dead dead.
Pentax K is dead dead dead.
Pentax Q is dead dead dead.
Rollei QBM Quick Bayonet Mount is dead dead dead.
Sigma SA is dead dead dead.
Samsung NX-mount is dead dead dead.
T-mount (T-thread) is dead dead dead.
Topcon (Exakta) bayonet mount is dead dead dead.
Yashica AF (MA) is dead dead dead.
I hope you didn’t take too much time on your post. Your nervous anger doesn’t really change the facts about the planned end game for A-mount. But it’s ok, you’ll be alright. Don’t worry, be happy because Sony will “make” great cameras so you can “believe” in in a better tomorrow. Best regards.
Dan
Admin, why are you allowing this jack@ss to continue to post his drivel here? Spreading his opinion over and over and over and over and over again as if it is fact.
He’s just a troll wearing a king’s coat. GET RID OF HIM!
He’s funny. A-mount is “dead, dead, dead” indeed.
So aggressive Tony, why? Would you rather I not report what I know, or lie and say that A-mount will not be snuffed out shortly, so you don’t cry? I can, if it makes you feel better. So, how about it? O.k. here goes, I was just kidding, I made it all up out of thin air and nothing will change in the A-mount and everything will be just fine. Not only that you will see three E-mount cameras a ‘la “3” “5” “7” series and three A-mount cameras of the same style of enumeration too, plus you will get two full frame A-mounts. One will be 36 MegaPixel and the other will be 50+ (Barry will have to help me on the exact amount) and they will all release and be available at Best Buy in January. I hope that helps you sleep better at night, I certainly don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, it’s just cameras you know. A-mount is alive, alive, alive. Best regards Tony.
Dan
Who’s aggressive here, huh?
Dan, how about you preface all of your repetitive, baseless rants with “The voices in my head tell me that…”
That way first time readers don’t think there’s anything sensible to your claims.
Better they will show an AMOUNT roadmap with all this ILCE shit…. Or they will have thousands of consumer asking for their heads….
Dan is wrong if Sony drop A mount then it will have catastrophic consequences for the company. Many A mount users will abandon Sony and never trust the compact again.
Olympus twice dropped mounts (OM and normal 4/3) I’d not buy an Olympus if you gave me the money to do so.
E mounts strength (using many lenses via adaptors) is it’s weakness. With no locked in mount users will be free to not buy Sony lenses, it simply doesn’t add up for Sony longer term as profits are mostly lens driven. E mount also lacks any serious body, the A3000 is a joke, the NEX bodies are too small. If A mount goes most of the users will go too, and with ILC’s in serious decline Dan’s just about as wrong as you can get. Let’s hope Sony are not dumb enough to follow his advice.
Only difference is that m4/3 will be alive and well if Olympus is dead (due to financial scandals OR other BS they do OR Sony buying them).
E-mount meanwhile won’t survive if Sony decides to dump it.
So honestly – I’d much rather recommend m4/3 than E-mount
“Many A mount users will abandon Sony and never trust the compact again.” – yep, very true.
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Better they will show an AMOUNT roadmap with all this ILCE sh|||||T…. Or they will have thousands of consumer asking for their heads….
Sony just released the A-mount Sony/Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 so don’t believe they
will drop A-mount for some years.
But in the long run… time will tell.
I just love my A77, and i hope sony do some updates to this camera .I want them to support the camera that i buy(it’s alot of Money I and other people spend) so much it’s possible they can do, to it’s limits of the camera .I Don’t want to by a new one every single time for a function that maybe can be improved to my existence camera.