Sony 36 megapixel sensor got a lot of praise from reviewers and the Nikon D800 is the most sold digital camera for over three weeks now (Click here)!
I am surprised how many (Nikon?) readers sent me (not so nice) messages to say that the Nikon D800 doesn’t use a Sony 36 Megapixel sensor. As you know Nikon itself always claims that they are using their own sensor technology and this lead someone to believe I am talking bullxxxx 🙂 While I certainly think Nikon is putting some of his own tech knowledge on the sensor development I am pretty convinced the basic sensor technology has been developed and fabricated by Sony. Here I am writing a post to tell you why I “think” it is so:
First story: It is proven that Nikon is using Sony sensors in some cameras. The D7000 sensor for example has a big “Sony” stamp. The guys from Chipworks dismantled the Nikon camera and here is the picture: http://www.chipworks.com/media/wpmu/uploads/blogs.dir/4/files/2011/01/IMX071_diemrk.jpg.
Second story: It’s actually pretty ease to see that Nikon and Sony are almost always sharing the same resolution on APS-C and FF cameras:
24 Megapixel Full Frame sensor on the Nikon D3X and Sony A900
16 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D7000 and Sony A55
14 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D3100 and Sony A560
12 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D300 and Sony A500
10 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D3000 and Sony A330
Third story: So why do I “believe” the Nikon D800 uses a Sony sensor? The same trusted sources that shared to me the correct [shoplink 8461]A77[/shoplink] sensor info also sent me the 36 Megapixel Full Frame info back in June 2011 (Click here to read the original post). They also told me the sensor would be used first in a Nikon camera. So was is just luck that Nikon came out with the D800 having a 36 Megapixel Full frame sensor? 🙂
In summary: Of course this is a rumors site and you absolutely have to take the news I write for what they are…just rumors. Sometimes I can be wrong, no question! But it’s common use to share technologies between companies even if it looks like they are strong enemies (see Samsung Apple patent battle story). I strongly “believe” Sony is behind that 36 Megapixel sensor and that’s why I will post some D800 test hee on SAR. I “suspect” Sony will come out with a Full Frame camera with exactly the same sensor and with at least a 99% similar RAW performance. Now let’s hope Sony will not wait too long before to release the new FF cameras!
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Admin,
You got the part about the d700 wrong. It uses a 12mp sensor NOT 24mp!
He got a lot of things wrong. First of Sony is the main provider who manufacture the chips. It doesn’t mean Sony developed the sensors. In fact Sony buys design from Nikon and each chip they produced are paid to Nikon, even ones that are in their own bodies. Second of, chip is only so important of gathering signal and read out. It’s essentially pointless without a good processor. Sony doesn’t have good technology or design for the processor for DSLR yet. It’s not wise to keep pointing out Sony was the manufactor of chips, because it can easily be someone else like Intel. Sony is just cheaper and closer to Nikon. It’s also pointless to say Sony made the chips, because Sony cannot make those chips with Nikon’s permission, nor did Sony came up with the entire design by themselves. Of course Sony could tweast the design, and say it’s now their own technology, but likely copycats are not going to end up well, like those Chinese ones. Similarly to all the products that are made in China, they are likely designed somewhere else. So who cares if Sony was the one that makes chips, there are other six chip manufactors on Nikon’s list. And not all Sony’s chips are produced in Sony’s factories, some are just labled as Sony. Whatelse? Sony does have very advance basic technology on chips, I agree. So are intel, AMD, and many chinese ones. Sony does make good cameras now, but bringing up its partner’s success and good design to its own glory is pretty pathetic. I am sure people from Sony doesn’t even like to see these.
Where do you get these “facts” from?
Can you link any credible sources?
Chips does not equal Sensor manufacturer. Sony is the largest Sensor manufacturer in the world.
LOL, I don’t know why Nikon fanboys are insulted by the fact that Nikon is using Sony sensor. This would not degrade Nikon’s rep in any sense. And I don’t really care who manufactures the chip, as long as it’s a good camera for my need, I would buy it.
+1
It’s pride in my guess. You could take a Sony camera and switch the badge to Nikon/Canon and the fanboys would cherish them.
Take for example all the Nikon fanboys who said Sony is rubbish for cramming in more megapixels into their APS-C. Then starts singing praises to Nikon for cramming in more megapixels into their D800.
Just to add more fire into the poor Nikonian fanboys.
“The Nikon D7000 comes equipped with a DX format (APS-C) sensor fabricated by Sony” – http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2011/01/teardown-of-the-nikon-d7000-dslr/
I’m waiting for Fuji to produce a full frame sensor for Nikon…then Katie bar the door…see their X Pro 1 sensor output!
WOW, you sound angry. I wouldn’t care what or who was in my camera as long as it provided a medium for great photos. It looks like the D800 is one great camera. I wish I had one or could afford the investment. But if I did have one I sure would not care who made the sensor. I would just be happy that I had a great camera in my hands. I almost think that windows and apple people get along better than the photography world. Almost!
there is simply WAY, WAY, WAAAYY too much emphasis on sensors and not nearly enough attention paid to image processors that work with them these days. pentax and nikon make better cameras with sony’s sensors than sony does. why..? due to the muddy, lo-res, slop BIONZ processor, that’s why. that said NEX has good lenses at
least. sony should discontinue alpha and just make nex. alpha doesn’t cut it. if sony wants to make a killer DSLR what they should do is something like a sony sensor coupled with a panasonic VENUS ENGINE-like processor and NEX, not alpha, lenses. that’d be dope. they won’t do that cuz they’re stupid, needless to say. my next sony camera will be a NIKON.
As soon as Nikon started to develop digital SLRs nearly 10 years ago they always have used Sony sensors. This always was known publicly and is no exciting news. I have no clue why this makes up for a discussion here?
Simply because Nikon fanboys cannot accept this and refer to it as some insult instead of being thankful that their company can focus on enhancing sensor output instead of developing everything by itself what takes enormous pile of money.
What’s funny – Pentax fanboys somehow don’t have any problem with the fact that some of best Pentax cameras use Sony sensors. Guess Nikon brand name blinds people more easily…
Can’t be a Nikoner today without some religious parades. The truth always hurts these fools.
These Nikon fools are the pros making money, the hobbiest winning awards, etc.
Stop hating on Nikon and go show off you ISO3200 pic of your cat like a true Sony fanboy.
yup, we have got an average low quality Nikon fanboy hum..
seriously, as for fanboys, Nikon ones have the lowest IQ.. dunno y
Give a monkey a good camera and he can take good shots.
This has actually been demonstrated.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011051/Black-macaque-takes-self-portrait-Monkey-borrows-photographers-camera.html
Average Nikon user 😀
As Nikon claimed on their facebook page, “best photos demand the best tools”.
If you have the best camera, even a monkey can take the best pictures.
If you extend that analogy, the best camera can only use the best sensors they can buy.
@SonyA77, sadly, that’s true in most cases. In our country, having a /big/ and /professional-looking/ camera is just another way to impress the ladies. And CaNikon is usually preferred for obvious reason.
Pony up boys!
You are atacking this guy stating cr@p about monkeys, so lets see your work?
I use Sony, Nikon, Canon, and can tell you the best work from the ametuer market does NOT come from Sony.
Still I use all my gear professionally.
Lets see your work monkey boys!
So the bigger and more professional looking the better? Then I bet an 18×24 Linhof would make the chicks swarm you like flies.
@Sony Fool,
Feel free to provide links to your work, I’d like to see examples of your work from Sony, Canon and Nikon.
Thanks.
Here are some links to my work, both professional and leisure.
Shot with the Zeiss 24-70
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157626497621963/
Zeiss 135 (just got this so not too much yet)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157629267415530/
Sony 70-200 G
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157626497615531/
feel free to compare to work shot on my old Canon 40D and Canon 5DMkII – don’t think you will notice much difference in quality, although I always preferred the images I Shot with my Sony.
Canon 28-135 IS USM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157623610323527/
Canon 24-70 L
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157623613232241/
Canon 70-200 L
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157625465823627/
Canon EF 50 1.8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankiewithers/sets/72157623613169089/
Criticize away, I could care less what any of you fanboys think, only that my clients are happy and I make a living from my work. Looking forward to the Sony A99, whether it has a Sony, Nikon, or Mcdonalds sensor, I don’t fucking care.
hahaha good one. NIKON RULES !
In the end, all that matters is who gets the most out of the sensors. It’s been Nikon quite consistently.
In the end all that matters is what the user gets out of his camera regardless of who makes it and what sensor it has.
😉
ditto
“24 Megapixel Full Frame sensor on the Nikon D700 and Sony A900”
You meant to say Nikon D3x, right?
Sorry error while doing the table 🙂
Those two actually belong to that “confirmed” part.
Difference between Sony and Nikon is cause Sony uses EXMOR, Nikon doesnt (they have EXPEED but that “just” regular processor) and then different CFA/AA (thats why colors and details are different) plus last but not least amplification of signals is different (thats part where Nikon really shines).
Sensor is important part, but its that electronics around that either kills it or make it shine. Its not like Eizo has better LCDs than others, they just have a lot better electronics and software, its very similar in sensor technology.
Btw. D300 sensor has been used in A700 and than much later in for example Fuji X100. It seen a lot of variations during its life (last was I think Ricoh M-mount module).
+1000
can’t understand that stupid quarreling about the “real” source of the sensors. This civil wars between canikon’s and sony’s fanboys are mostly just about such totaly abstract stuff like trade marks, trends and popularity. bla-bla… Where is the point of that? Each real photographer should be ashamed to debate in this way. Sry, but you have nothing to do with photography!
Exmor is the core design of the Sony sensors and describes the on chip ADC layout. Nikon cameras with Sony sensors have that exact same Exmor layout, you just won’t catch them calling them Exmor sensors… 😉
Expeed is just the processor that handles the data, mostly the jpeg engine and it’s the Nikon equivalent of Sony’s Bionz chips.
It’s a little trickier than that.
A sensor consists of a lot of elements, the photo diode, the lens gate, the electron well, the ADC, the external access, the bayer filtration and the microlenses, to name just a few. Photo diodes haven’t seen a lot of change for awhile and aren’t really configurable, but much of the other stuff is.
Two key areas where Nikon has been doing something different than its partners lie in how the gain in the ADC is managed and the Bayer layer filtration. Both have netted image quality improvements in the area most people notice most (noise), but one of those has a big ramification on color content. In essence, Nikon is de-emphasizing color information in order to improve luminance information, a very tricky thing to do but one they seem to be doing quite well.
The D800 sensor is basically an EXMOR (close relative to the A55/D7000 sensor, but FX), but with some additional tweaking.
The question has always been whether development moves both directions in the Sony/Nikon relationship. I believe it does, and I believe that’s one of the reasons why we see some periods of exclusivity on particular sensors. This dates all the way back to the Nikon D1, where Nikon had to convince Sony to build an APS sensor in the first place (which turned out to be a 10.8mp sensor binned to 2.7mp; the binning appears to be Nikon’s, but the underlying photo diodes are clearly Sony).
Personally, I don’t care who makes the sensor on a camera, I only care what the end results are. I would characterize the relationship with Sony as being quite useful to Nikon. Coupled with Nikon’s own sensor development teams and breakthroughs, Nikon has a wide line of products (from Nikon 1 to D4) that have state-of-the-art sensors. Where Nikon has ended up with the “same sensor” as competitors, they seem to get better results from it than just about any other company (Pentax excepted).
As for comments (further down) like “Nikon users don’t like a Sony badge in their camera” I’d basically respond that it appears Sony users seem to want to take claim for Nikon’s success. This is a bit like saying that Intel and Arm are responsible for Apple’s success. Parts are parts. The smart companies use the best parts available to them at the time to build something unique and best quality from them. It’s the proprietary (only use our own parts) companies that tend to have troubles, long term. That’s one reason why the Sony/Nikon cooperation works for both companies: neither is dead-ending into what their own group is capable of.
Some Nikon users don’t like a Sony badge in their camera, I haven’t the foggiest why though. The end result matters, not who makes what.
I can see from your 2 million post you spend more time writing in these forums than taking pictures.
I said Pony Up since you had a big mouth. I did not say I was going to give you links to my work, contact info, etc just to be harrased did I?
So Pony Up big boy.
Lets see your amazing pictures from your whatever brand.
Yup, didnt think so, little mind, little comments, most def little work.
Peace out meathead
So you aren’t prepared to give us examples of your work from the Sony, Nikon and Canon cameras you say you have used?
Thought not! You have been busted.
Have a nice day now!
I believe I said Pony Up, I believe I still see NO links to your work.
Just as I thought, you’ve been too busy posting on this site and taking ISO3200 pics of your cat.
Again, please Pony Up. You call Nikon shooters fanboys that use equipment monkeys could use, so please again, Pony Up!
I’ll come check this thread again when I am done with an afternoon headshot shoot. Hmmmm, I wonder, does it make you made I get paid for my work, or are you too busy with your soccer mom a55 shooting animals at the zoo through glass?
Bahahahahahaha
He shoots, he scores!!!!!
Photographer 1
Meatheads(sonya77)0
Busted.
You claim to use your gear professionally, however your demeanor is far from professional.
Professionals would have learned to respect other peoples craft.
Good cameras and luck might allow you to take good shots sometimes, professionals are consistent with their results.
The best camera is the camera at your hands.
By demeanor is exactly what this forum provokes, after all it was other users calling some guy, & Nikon shooters a monkey.
Now go take some pics of your mailbox please.
Your reply doesn’t make much sense… Well whatever.
You sound bitter and angry… Why are you bitter and angry?
Which users called Nikon shooters a monkey?
Surely as an adult you can handle that without spewing your hate onto the forums and attacking all the Sony users.
Nikon as a company does not even have the capacity to manufacture full frame sensors.
Nikon wouldn’t debase themselves by using a Sony sensor
Really? Have you ever looked inside the D7000? I guess not!
http://www.chipworks.com/media/wpmu/uploads/blogs.dir/4/files/2011/01/IMX071_diemrk.jpg
Doesnt matter whats in them, just the output of the photo.
Again, I use all 3 brands, and the amount of cr@ppy high iso pics of cats, trees, bookshelves, etc from Sony isers in forums is ridiculous.
Just saying
Why are replying to me? Kosta72 made an assertion, I corrected that assertion. I fail to see what your point has to do with that assertion?
LOL. Geez and I thought I was trolling with my comment. Hat tip to the Sony Fool troll.
You weren’t trolling, you were just caught out. Nice try.
Pony Up Mr Sonya77
sonya77=fail
Owned !
A quick search on “cat” on Flickr – barely a mention of Sony in the first few pages of results. Plenty of Canon and Nikon shots, though.
Just saying
@Sony Fool,
“Again, I use all 3 brands, and the amount of cr@ppy high iso pics of cats, trees, bookshelves, etc from Sony isers in forums is ridiculous.”
Who are these “isers” so you speak off?
You claim to own all 3 brands, yet you have a certain hate for people who uses Sony. I am certain there would be a lot of people in the Nikon , Canon, Pentax, Olympus camp that would be taking pretty bad shots of their cats and dogs too, this isn’t exclusive to Sony.
How could you say such things? The people of this forum had to sit in front of their computers and lower their IQ to read your utter crap you are spewing from your rear.
Did Nikon users mind that Kodak, Fuji, Agfa or Ilford made the “sensors” they used in their Nikon SLRs?
Check in dxomark.com the graphs of d7000,d800 (in screen mode).they are exactly same,which means the individual pixels behave same.so this is the same pixel technology from 16 mpixel Sony aps-c sensor.
it is just that full frame has larger area and hence more pixels .
Or same A/D converter. I’m not sure if it’s exactly the same sensor – you’d need to know pixel pitch (not math-calculated but rather one from factory data) to say it for sure. But I wouldn’t be very surprised anyway.
If they are using same A/D converter,then the signal has to be same on analog side to get SNR as seen on dxomark.
My bet is its the same , few hundredth of microns doesn’t make a difference in SNR,and is within the tolerance of measurement and manufacturing for a given technology!
Nikon just uses different jpeg engine than Sony (expeed vs bionz).
On the recent Sony designed sensors I think the ADC is on the chip itself. That’s the reason for the good SNR.
The on chip ADC design (Exmor) was first introduced on the A700 sensor.
Yes, this is a very convincing argument (and Andrea unfortunately left i out.)
This.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1059/interview-interview-exclusive-tetsuro-goto-nikon-1.html&usg=ALkJrhgx9-laSUotVD_pp3X4YtFJgxvdeg
Exclusive interview with Tetsuro Goto, director of laboratory research and development at Nikon Japan:
“Digital Focus: How much of Sony in the design or manufacture of the sensors used by Nikon?
Mr. Tetsuro Goto: We have a long relationship with Sony. If the sensors of the Nikon D3s, D3 and D700 are designed by Nikon, Nikon D3x and those of the smaller APS-C sensors are original Sony. We want to use our own sensors in the most popular SLR [small APS-C sensors, Ed], because the performance of our sensors are better. Nevertheless, it will take some time as it takes to achieve economies of scale. Sony is a major company that sells many sensors to camera manufacturers. SLR Sony Alpha use sensors and we also use Sony sensors in the D3000 and D5000 for example. In our D300, we use a basic Sony, and sensor and ours have the same definition, but they are quite different, because we make many changes.”
smoke and mirrors is what he is trying to say. haha He is trying to assure the Nikon faithful that they are not using the same sensor when in fact they are using the same sensor. haha
Yea, old story. Go to any big event with Nikon representatives and ask them if they use the same sensors as Sony do – they’ll do their best to assure you that Nikon have it’s own sensor technology.
I don’t think the D3100 and a560 use the same sensor, because metrics don’t match up in DxOMark, and the output image sizes differ. The chipworks teardown also seems to reveal a Nikon sensor (http://chipworks.force.com/catalog/ProductDetails?sku=NIK-NC81362A&viewState=DetailView) (NC…. instead of Sony’s IMX… or ICX…)
I’m also not quite sure about the a900/D3x, but you probably got the rest right. That said, I also think that the 36 MP sensor could be strongly related to Sony (although I could be wrong on that too – Nikon made their own 12 MP full frame sensors).
the A900 and D3x share the exact same sensor. This has been proven.
Where was this proven? I’m not saying you’re wrong – I would really like to see something definitive saying that the same sensor was used.
The reason I’m doubting this a bit is that on DxOMark at least, the D3x beats the a900 in every graph and measurement presented. The D3x also features live view, which the a900 lacks. Nikon is also able to read off the central section of the sensor at 7 fps, while the a900 stays at a maximum of 5 fps.
Read the quote from Sony’s Mr. Tetsuro Goto above: “Nikon D3x and those of the smaller APS-C sensors are original Sony.” – the link to the source is provided with the quote.
Although DxO Mark gives better scores to the D3X than the to A900 some knowledgeable photographers who used both the A900 and the D3x extensively preferred the A900’s RAW files. One of these people, Ilah
My message got cut off…
Although DxO Mark gives better scores to the D3X than the to A900 some knowledgeable photographers who used both the A900 and the D3x extensively preferred the A900′s RAW files. One of these people, Iliah Borg (who knows a lot about RAW files) posted about this several times on DPR – you can find his comments there.
Nikon and Sony use different AA filters and process the output from the sensor differently. Nikon optimize for one thing Sony for another.
If you want to go by DxO Mark it was Pentax who got better results from the Sony 16mp APS-C sensor than either Sony or Nikon could achieve.
D3100 is rumoured to be Renesas.
Yep, the D3100 uses an Aptina/Nikon design. It was supposed to be the first of many Nikon APS-C cameras to come, using such sensors, but the D7000 sensor from Sony that was finished around the same time, proved so much better, that the Sony relationship was continued (see also D5100).
Yes the Sony sensor that Nikon used in the D7000 & D5100, and Pentax in the K5, pretty well blew every other APS-C sensor away. In fact it was so good that Nikon decided to use what is pretty much an upscaled to full frame version of the sensor in the D800.
There is no good reason to believe that Nikon had much, if anything, to do with the development of that APS-C sensor, other than with the filters they use on top, as both Sony and Pentax had cameras using the same sensor available before the Nikon D7000.
Why is there is any reason to believe that Nikon had anything more to do with the full frame version used in the D800 which is clearly derived from the same design? What improvements there are in this sensor could have easily been developed by Sony themselves on the basis of their experience with the APS-C sensor.
However it does seem Nikon were smart enough this time to use their purchasing power to get a one year exclusivity on the use of this 36mp full frame sensor from Sony.
The sensor in Nikon’s flagship D4 *is* clearly a Nikon designed sensor – successor to the sensor they used in the D3 and D700, and the improved one used in the D3s – but all these use a very different design from Sony’s sensors.
Why I DON’T CARE who makes the sensor: Last time I bought a computer, I did not ask whether they are just simply using an Intel chip instead of making their own. Get over it! Sony uses components made by other companies. So does every electronic company in the world. This is how the industry works. Why the hell does it matter who makes the chip inside the D800? If Sony doesn’t make it, they can still probably buy it for their own cameras.
Not invented here has been disowned by the electronics industry. Thank goodness.
+1. Its simply nice to use the D800 performance as a potential benchmark for the Sony camera’s performance, but bottomline, it doesn’t fucking matter.
You’re quite right. If we took a Mac and a PC with the same CPU, same GPU and similar amounts of RAM they would offer similar performance. That won’t stop their respective fanbases throwing stones at each other, of course.
Dare to mention that their precious iPad is made in a Chinese factory by Foxconn and you’ll start a holy war!
Apple do EXACTLY the same as Nikon, they put “designed by” on their products.
Even in the camera industry things get dodgier than that. Leica’s workers in Portugal applying “made in Germany” marks to the stuff they’re making, for example.
Completely off topic. I watched a documentary showing surgical instruments being stamped “Made in Germany” when in fact it was the steel that was German, not the instrument.
The instruments were being churned out in a dodgy factory in Pakistan and imported into the European Union and the EU accept it goes on! No doubt they also end up in the USofA too.
German instruments are sold at a premium, that “Made in Germany” stamp sells.
Writing things like “dare to mention” is causing a brand war by people like you who dont understand great prodcuts but mock them due to their inability to appreciate the art behind certain things.
Youre too tied up in specs to understand an ipad or a good camera.
Still waiting for your Android phone pics meathead.
There isn’t a brand war, some Nikon cameras uses Sony Sensors. That’s a fact you or other people can’t change.
Doesn’t really make a difference really for Nikon and for Sony.
All camera systems has their advantages and disadvantages. How much so will depend on the user and how they evaluate their own personal requirements.
A professional will tend to use different cameras for different purposes.
well..all manufactures of any different type of industries uses component from other company. For example, SONY LCD TV use Samsung front panel, Sony a77 OLED Viewfinder is from samsung too..but what differentiate a Camera???Its Lenses,image processor and IMAGE SENSORS!!!
So, Nikon using a SONY sensor is a BIG DEAL.
I think that a big deal is suggesting false statements to their customers – creating a people like these who mailed Andrea.
I don’t give a coin for whatever Nikon uses Sony, Samsung or Chinese X-no-name sensor as long as they keep close to the truth.
I think the truth is much more complex than what a fanboy forum could ever know. I’m pretty sure the relationship between Nikon and Sony’s sensor division is very symbiotic. It’s almost a guarantee that Nikon has probably contributed the most to the sensor design of any of their other customers, including Sony’s camera division.
BTW, I’ve never heard any smartphone maker claim their camera sensor is made by Sony or anyone else, simply because it doesn’t matter. Some fanboys think it matters, but like CPUs, DRAM, hard drives, and LCD displays, it really doesn’t matter who owns the tech or makes the chips. So Intel owns CPU, Qualcomm owns cellular, and Sony owns sensors. Big deal. I’m still not buying an Intel computer, a Qualcomm phone,etc.
In the end, the only thing that matters is Nikon choses the best sensor and package it well. No different from buying an iPhone or smartphone of your choice.
The sensor in iphone4s is a Sony.
Can you point to some proof for the OLED EVF being made by Samsung?
I remember some Sony patents in this area.
There were also some rumors that the EVF uses Epson technology – they also have patents in this area.
That’s quite possible and Sony bought a chunk of the Epson EVF division some time ago…. 😉
Your comments, in itself, makes my point about the fanboyism. So, Sony sensor in another camera maker’s product is a big deal but Samsung and Sharp LCDs in Sony TVs are not? How about Intel CPUs in Sony computers and Qualcomm chips in Sony’s phone?
The sensor, alone, is no big deal. It’s the whole package. The stuff around the sensor, the software that runs the processor in the camera, the AF and WB sensor, the support provided to professionals by the camera maker. The same reason I would not buy a computer made by Intel or a phone from Qualcomm. Apple does a better job with the package (OS, hardware). So far, for the package, Nikon has done better with the Sony sensor, Samsung DRAM, processor from whoever, etc than Sony has done with their own sensor or Samsung has done with their DRAM in their camera. It’s quite amazing this forum devotes so much energy and “new” article on whether Nikon uses Sony sensors or not.
computer argument is not valid, since everyone with just a tiny little knowledge knows computer part are build from Intel/AMD/Power PC Processor and either Windows/Linux/Apple/Unix OS…Did any PC manufacturer ever claim that they Manufactured all its component?? No!, they state it clearly that its using INTEL/AMD Processor, NVIDIA/ATI Graphic chip/they even listed what brand the Network Card is, what chip is MOBO chipset and everything…
As for its TV’s, Sony didn’t Highlight/Markets its TV’s with ITS OWN BUILD/DESIGNED/MANUFACTURED FRONT PANEL BY SONY!!!
As for NIKON….u can read urself.
I have no issue at all for Nikon using a SONY sensors as its a good business for Sony. But why hide it??a
Was there any doubt about that???? Really???
Only the Nikon Older users for some reason don’t like this association, but soon they will realize that this kind of association between the 2 companies has been making the Nikon Bigger, fighting Canon’s market! The results are already there.
And I do think the 12Mpx Full Frame sensor, was also made by Sony… Just sony chose not to use it on their own cameras… part of the agreement, probably!
12MP is nice for speed, but 24 is pretty much the golden middle for big prints and performance. 36mp raws are about 72mb each and you get 192 shots on a 16gig card. Not cool for a wedding or event professional but awesome for fashion.
If you can spend $4000 on a camera, I think you can afford $100-200 for a 128GB card ;P
Yes quite. I’ve never understood why people buy expensive cameras and then complain about memory space. They then go on about their PC being too slow…
It’s the whole set up that you need to upgrade, that’s why. You buy a camera like that with ultra high res glass, super fast cards and readers for them, new generation computer and storage. Otherwise your workflow is going to suffer. So add 2-3k in computer hardware to that if you have the glass to go with it, not just a few hard drives or one 128GB card. Load a 1500 -2200 Raw shot wedding from D800 (about 150GB) to your current computer and tell me how it performs:)
2-3k? On a fast PC? Are you insane?
I’m not complaining, I enjoy the new tech. Just making a point that with such major upgrades one needs to consider upgrading the whole set up which is double the cost of a new camera in total
Not all people just go into shops and bought an expensive camera just like that..some of them(like me haha) struggle to get the money for the right camera to MAKE SOME MONEY..and living in a country where $1 usd = $3.5..a 100 buck and 110 buck makes huge different..
Nobody forced you to buy a high mp camera though.
i like high MP..im willing to buy all the necessary items..but need to spent wisely..and im not complaining about more MB size and so on..but still i cant just go to the shop and pick anything i want…
Check out this DPReview post. If you don’t believe this is a Sony sensor me thinks you’re blind… (Oh, and I’m a Nikon user)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41064067
Nikon is smart to let Sony do the heavy lifting on the electronics side of the modern camera.
Right now, today, I would say that Nikon is on top of the pile with its recent D800 and D4 offerings, better than the non-upgrade upgrade Canon did with its mark III and its bigger brother.
Its clear that Nikon’s added electronics and firmware with the Sony’s sensor technology, makes the D800 as of right now, the camera to have, and the system to be invested in.
Canon has lost its way……and Nikon has Sony to thank
Now if we could get Nikon to tweak the Sony jpeg output… 😀
Didn’t the DxO help tweaking JPGs for Sony cameras ever since A500?
DxO were meant to be helping out with Sony IDC I think, no wait, they were releasing/have released DxO with a Sony model. I forget the details.
Found it, it was supposed to be the Euro A850:
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2009/08/30/could-sony-get-dxo-inside/
No idea if any other models got it, or how close DxO remain with Sony.
No, that’s not what I meant 🙂
I was talking about in-camera JPG engine. Where pre-A500 cameras had large, digital noise, and ever since A500/550 Sony cameras have noise reminding one from DxO Optics Pro (only somewhat worse due to limited processing power of camera). It was rumored before camera got released that it will use DxO technology for noise reduction, and after the release everyone were astonished by the JPG quality jump Sony made.
Shame it hasn’t carried on then.
It’s hardly a secret that many camera companies, including Nikon and Sony. buy image processing software routines developed by other companies for use in their cameras.
Fanboys always seem to like to believe that everything in their camera was developed by their favorite camera company with no, or little help from outside.
Recently someone found a reference to SANYO and Sanyo Digital Camera in Nikon camera firmware:
http://simeonpilgrim.com/blog/2012/03/18/nikon-j1v1-firmware-decoded/
Other companies that use Sanyo firmware are Olympus and Epson.
What’s the fuzz about. If the sensor in my a900 would come from Pentax or Olympus or Canon I couldn’t care less, it would still be an amazing camera and I’d still love the performance of my camera and the final output. Photography is not a religion.
Actually, to some it is, as they prove here aswell 🙂
If I didn’t love my Sony Zeiss alpha lenses so much I’d buy an 800E in a heartbeat.
The Nikon D800 is what the Sony a950 could have been…
Oh wait, the Sony a900/850 body with some of the great stuff thats in the a77 with a Sony 36MP sensor would have been better than the D800!
With IS built-in and Zeiss optics the Sony a950 would have been real, real nice.
No,now,we are expecting maybe in Sept a 24MP full-frame?
And the 36MP sensor Sony sells to Nikon next year i 2013?
Till we see it, I’m not going to complain about it, maybe the new 24MP will have incredible dynamic range and other features that will improve overall IQ.
You do know, if Sony took The D800 and stamped Sony instead of Nikon.
Hardly anyone would buy it!
You would also get a lot of whingers crying about the high megapixel count…
Sadly: That’s 100% truth.
Indeed. Stick a Nikon badge on a Sony and people will love it, do the opposite and people will hate it.
You could always buy some ZF.2 lenses.
True enough. Unfortunately I don’t have a bottomless checking account LOL.
Hey SAR,
I just wanted to share with you guys, I shot my first wedding of 2012 with my faithful A900 and zeiss and G glass and just fell back in love with my camera, I shoot personally about 50 weddings a year and my company shoots about a 100-120 all using sony gear! I have been temped to jump ship to canon/nikon. but after a day with my old friend, I’ve decided to keep my sony and wait and see. IMO the 900 is the best of that generation (Mark2 and D700) and what ever noise I get in the church I just fix i post. NO BIG DEAL. the A900 has been a good camera that I trust, and for that I’ll wait (though not forever) to see what sony has for us pros!
+1
+1
Cheers, glad you like the A900, though I never had the privilege to use this camera.
Apparently it had one of the best optical viewfinders out there.
A real treasure to keep.
I used my A850 for two weddings this past weekend. Coupled with the Zeiss lenses (particularly the 24-70 and 135) my images just poop all over my partner’s 5D in terms of sharpness and color.
I bet most of the nikon users that e-mailed andrea can’t even shoot properly. Message to all canikons, instead of wasting your time trolling in front of a computer why don’t you go outside and practice your photography. Pathetic morons, these canikon amateurs are seriously a joke of the photography world and seriously don’t deserve to have a camera. Photographers are image artisans not brand obbsessed haters.
Nothing on you Admin, Thank you for your hard work. Sony please oh please what the hell are you waiting for!!! You have me waiting for so long. Do you really care about your loyle pro consumers. Sorry but the a77 is a disappointment. If you can’t get the basics of a functioning camera I’m worried. The body feels cheap and I hate the digital viewfinder, Buttons have a very long delay. I’m very worried about what gimmicky thing they might come up with next on the FF. We are talking more about Nikons having Sony senor then why Sony can’t get there $hit together.
You are a couple days out of date with your button lag comment 1.05 fixes it. If you think CaNikon’s don’t have firmware problems on release, then you really need to hang around the CaNikon forums and hear their complaints.
The body is solid, feels just like my A700 and I don’t recall any review saying that it isn’t solid.
Get used to the “digital viewfinder” the EVF is on all Sonys from now on. I suspect that you haven’t bothered to actually try it, you probably barely picked up the A77 let alone used one for a shoot.
Oh someones feelings got hurt, I’m sorry to knock your camera down. I’ve used it and it sucks. I don’t like listening to reviews rather use it a few times and judge it for myself. The camera sucks in my eyes, It’s cheep feeling and it’s slow to respond. Sony should have had it right the first time with basic button response. It’s like me getting a new car and turning the wheel of the car and waiting for it a few seconds for the car to respond. Would you buy a car like that or trust it? Then wait for them to fix it while you have projects to do. Get the basics right the first time. If you like your a77 good for you enjoy it and don’t crash.
Similar feelings until they released the FW1.0.5. It’s my back up to a850 and fun/party time camera. After the update it is ridiculously fast and beats anything APS-C in performance and ease of use. Since the update I’ve shot 2 events with it, all the usability bugs have been fixed. AF performance is stunning! What you see is what you get, the thing totally gets out of my way when I work. I now like using it more than the mighty a850/900.
Thanks for your input sergei, helpful. I’ll try it out on a event coming up soon with the updated 1.0.5 and have a backup cam. Do you still get the delay with the OLED Electronic Viewfinder stays black for a few seconds when bringing it to your eye?
I haven’t got a chance to see the camera with FW1.0.5…it would be nice if they got it right. Still i would ask any of you guys about comparing raw output !? Not going to share my opinion yet…i’ll just say that i’m waiting for the A99 or whatever they’ll name it..with a 24MPX Sony sensor!!
Don’t care about Nikon…al least for now…if the A99 leaves the same impression as the A77 did…well..that’s another story.
The A850 i first bought amazed me…it still does together with the 85 Zeiss…i only wish there were 35&50 mm Zeiss also!!!
Raw files now load as fast as a850 Raw in lightroom 4. I think Sony had a chance to improve that aspect before the update. The EVF comes on before you bring it to your eye, no delay at all. Enabling the 2 sec review will reduce chimping to a minimum and you can keep shooting by slightly tapping the release button. The EVF displays the brightness values and histogram exactly like it will be in the final shot no clipped shadows, while the WB may shift slightly (has to do with image noise). AF works with fast glass flawlessly, my 50 F1.4 and CZ85 F1.4 are spot on wide open. The kit 16-50mm lens was a bit of hit and miss in low light, not any more. LR4 does a wonderful job cleaning up the noise in RAW, I’ve created a few presets I apply (black level adjustment, Vibrance/Saturation and noise reduction with some sharpening) – you get very detailed high iso shots with super fine grain on pixel level. Photoclub alpha has a LR plug in for 16-50 correction. Auto HDR is fantastic too.
@Jakop.com
If you still get the delay between the OLED EVF, you are at risk of hurting yourslef by raising the camera too fast to your eyes.
I agree with SonyA77, the A77 is a stunning camera in it’s own ways.
If you think the A77 body feels cheap, you haven’t held the A77. Most reviews has mentioned that the camera is very well built and solid, it doesn’t feel like plastic.
The whole right hand side is rubberized and feels natural to hold. It even has the bulge that sticks out on the back to stop your thumb from sliding off.
So the build quality is really there.
While you think Sony camera are too gimmicky, that is your opinion, other people has used the tools provided to take better pictures.
I felt exactly the same…about using the A77 for the first time…coming from the A900&A850…felt just like a cool toy…not enough of a tool…it felt a little cheap also, compared to the FF body.
Please don’t compare a $1200 APS-C camera with a FF $3000 camera and expect the same level of quality.
However the A900/A850 are great cameras!
It is cheap compared to a 900.
The A900 can be a bit too overbuilt sometimes, it’s not exactly a dainty camera. I think I’d happily trade some metal for some fibre reinforced plastic a la 9xi.
Remember the a77 is a 7 series camera, but the a900 was a pro level 9 series.
Minolta had 9’s for pros and 7’s for most customers and 5 and 3 for entry level buyers.
Though the Alpha/Dynax/Maxxum 7 had a number of pro features that the 9 lacked.
No, you are just spreading crap and I corrected you. It is typical here, you are just another one.
Saving the world one post at a time.
the new Nikon cameras are going to have a “Sony Inside” sticker ahahah
😀
I have no problem with that, as long as the camera is good
those trolls just link their self esteem with Nikon..maybe they are shareholders?
That should be part of the contract with Nikon,
Non removable badge on Nikon cameras that says “Sony Inside”
it will be possible..I see Sony has stronger bargaining power over these sensor deals..
Nikon would sooner use an inferior sensor from Aptina or Renesis that let something like that happen.
I designed my house.
Got an architect to draw up blueprints and a contractor to build it.
🙂
Many Artists work the same way… A visionary/leader can still be the creator of the resulting work, even if they never lift a hand. Sometimes it not the skill involved in creating the work, but the idea of the work itself that is revolutionary.
If Sony are making these sensors then it is good news for us… Either way it should make no odds to Nikon. I don’t get the big concern other than Ego Deflation?
Admin, here are clear details as to why it is a Sony sensor:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=41064067
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=41071238
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=41084932
“16 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D7000 and Sony A55”
Sony a55 sensor size is 23.5 X 15.6mm
Nikon D7000 sensor size is 23.6 x 15.6mm
Difference is 1mm. I believe, if the sensor is same then the sensor size should be same.
@rik
https://chipworks.secure.force.com/catalog/ProductDetails?sku=NIK-D7000_Pri-Camera&viewState=DetailView&cartID=&g=&parentCategory=&navigationStr=CatalogSearchInc&searchText=d7000
Anyone know if Nikon owns an image sensor plant?
If so, where is it? China? Japan, Thailand?
If they manufacture image sensors in a NIKON factory, the location isn’t something they can hide.
Thnx for the link.
Yes, Link clearly shows Sony sign on Sensor pulled from Nikon SLR. So Nikon uses the sensor from Sony but still “16 Megapixel APS-C sensor on Nikon D7000 and Sony A55″ should not be same sensor. Nikon D7000 may be using different Sony sensor compared to Sony A55.
It costs a huge amount to design and produce a sensor – there is a huge economic advantage in using the same sensor in several different cameras – so that’s what manufacturers usually do.
Anyway Sony probably use Nikon steppers to produce all their sensors – so Nikonians should be happy about that.
Most of the world’s chip designers are fabless these days, so the lack of a foundry is hardly surprising.
It’s funny I wonder if the canikon fanboys people had the same hate against Minolta when they were still doing cameras…
They did. Pentax however was and is too self limiting to be regarded as much of a threat. There were threads on the nascent internet where Canon users criticised Minolta lenses, despite picking examples where the Minolta lens in question had higher MTF than the Canon equivalent. Even back then the facts took a back seat to brand loyalty. I think there’s still some archived threads on photo.net from that era if you’re curious.
Let’s not forget the 10mp CCD sensor, that Nikon used for both D200 and D80, were the same Sony (produced) and used for the A100.
A100 was camera of the year.
Still got mine.
😉
Still got mine, as well.
I usually lend it to friends who want to learn a bit (more) about photography but aren’t sure wheter they want to spend real cash on it.
So far, the A100 ‘taught’ two of my friends (one became a Sonyist) and is on the verge of ‘converting’ another one.
Fantastic camera. Now with a noble mission 🙂
don’t get it
A hint to Andrea: The 12MP Sensor was used in A700, not in A500.
To all: Why are you flaming at the Nikonians? Nearly the whole thread is full of fanboy statements of the lowest level. Disgusting.
By the way: In my country the ladies prefer men with a big thing in their trousers and don’t care about a big camera around the neck (it might be even distracting). So I am free to use the nice and small Sony cameras!
I also don’t like the fanboy statements 🙁
haha, wow it really is a contest now… I’ve never heard xxx size come into an argument about camera brands. Sir, you’ve reached a new low.
congratulations.
he obviously doesnt have deep pockets or braincells, thats what the ladies prefer!
big thing in M’s pants..an urine bag?
The 12 mp sensor was also used in the A500 and D300s. The latter two having a small dark current noise tweak.
I really don’t understand why Nikon users get in a bad mood when somebody says that inside a Nikon camera there is a Sony sensor. If you end taking getting amazing results with it, then why get mad about it? After all, if you get the best parts for your camera, you end with best quality, right? So stop with the fanboy comments. There is nothing wrong to say that Nikon uses Sony sensor if they’re coming with great cameras. 😉
I don’t get it, either.
Pentax users were always cool about saying that their cameras uses/used a Sony/Samsung/Whatever sensor.
It’s the whole package (and how you use it) that matters, right?
+1
why’d a Canon fanboy email admin regarding D800 using Sony sensor?
CHILDREN, please!
“Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.”
Practices like this are not uncommon, this isn’t anything you already deal with on a day-to-day basis. Pop open a Sony TV and tell me how many Samsung or Mitsubishi logic chips are on the board. What’s Nikon’s parent company? Mitsubishi? Oh yeah, that’s right. The door does swing both ways. All of those people who say Sony is too big forget Nikon is a subsidiary of Mitsubishi.
Why didn’t Apple Computer die in the 90’s? Microsoft bailed them out. As it was necessary for Microsoft not to bury Apple then, it is beneficial for Nikon to help Sony along now. Why? Because it puts pressure on Canon. It is also cheaper to sub the work out to Sony than it is to build a new factory and engineer a new sensor. I am sure Nikon helped spec the sensor. Competitors helping each other isn’t unheard of. Also, at the end of the day, Nikon doesn’t look at Sony as its biggest competitor. Mitsubishi, however, that’s a different story 😉
If Nikon uses a Sony sensor, or any part of it is developed by Sony, It means absolutely NOTHING to us. If the A99 comes out (IF) and it has a 36mpix sensor but cant match up to the performance on the D800, then Sony is again going to look like the under achiever. Its pretty much a no win situation for Sony either way.
Clifton you read my mind, exactly.
Yeah, but complainers are from Nikon camp, not Sony.
Don’t blame the fool because you will make his web more click.
More click = More money, That why this fool talking.
Yawn.
Admin, I am not sure who emailed you that D800 is not sony sensor, but it is generally accepted among Nikon community that D800 is a Sony sensor (with possibly some customizations). Similarly the snesors in D3X, D7000 etc are all Sony based. However, the sensors in D700, D3s and D3, and D4 are the ones which are not considered to be Sony sensors.
I think Nikon is not capable of making high resolution sensors. A 16MP full frame sensor they can do, it is not difficult.
Nikon users who don’t want to be associated with Sony are morons and snobs.
Man…Is it such a big deal for Nikon fanboys about having or not having Sony sensor inside? We might as well start PS3 vs Xbox arguments LOL
Both of those even have very similar IBM Power processors.
One has a IBM Xenon CPU.
PS3 has the Cell Broadband Engine CPU – A combine effort on behalf of Toshiba, Sony and IBM.
Architecturally they are very similar. One design is optimised more for MIMD processing, the other SISD processing. Of course, Sony like to overstate the extent to which they had a hand in the Cell’s design, which means they’re no better than Nikon in that regard.
1. I don’t give a crap what is in the d800. Great camera. I have 5 alpha mounts for my 850 2 zeiss, 2 G and 1 Sony nonG. I love my 850 but am way ready for the next ff. Quit jerking around and get us the FF. It is way over due. There was no answer for us that shoot Sony. Both Canon and Nikon have released FF’s within about a month of each other. Where in the hell is Sony.
I am happy with my A900+ ZA + G lens.
I pretty sure the color is the best part from SONY and no NC can reach.
All Nikonian,
Dont be over sensitive on who manufactured the nikon dslr sensor. it is just a camera. never feel pathetic on this 😀 you see, Leica also does not make their own sensor, Leica bought from Kodak and future from Sony, there is not thing wrong at all.
If nikonian really upset of your dslr using on Sony sensor, why not make a big poll to ask nikon to use other manufacurer sensor if sensor issue so bothering you guy. perhaps i suggest Samsung sensor. or may be jump ship and stop buying nikon dslr until nikon make their own sensor, and shown us nikon real sensor, or otherwise this stuff will never end 😀
oh yeah! going to enjoy orange77 24MP sensor, which is D3200 sensorrrr 😀
it is more like dear all sonyianians, dont be upset that sony make sensor for cameras better than their own cameras…
Sony version is cheaper. So yeah, it’s understandable if it’s a bit under-perform.
So u said sony equals sigma. Thats nothing to brag about. The 500mm f4 hmmmm…. Impressive
haha, I never upset on this. I am the one spent money and decided to bought it, why should I upset on it? 😀 lol…
I believe now Nikon is CaoCao dslr
Would that make Sony Sun Quan or Liu Bei?
Wow, Amazon always has the best deals. You can save $0.95 on a $3000 camera, lol. That made my day.
1. Same mega pixel = same sensor? To be hoest, how is the performance of D3X sensor compared with A900 sensor, although they have the same 24M pixel? Look at the independent DXO lab, they find so many differences in measurement between Nikon and Sony sensors. How could they be the same?
2. Do Sonyfanboys feel better if Nikon uses Sony sensor? But by that time Nikon images perform obviously better than Sony? Sony is just a factory! Sony does NOT possess Nikon’s technology. If it does, why Sony produces poor image when using the same pixel sensor? Why Sony “let” Nikon use this great D800 sensor? If Sony possess this technique, why not Sony produce one FF camera with 36M by their own and let Nikon be the first? Why?
Sonyfanboys please be realistic. The reality is that Nikon are pionner in digital sensor techniques. They were weak before the launch of D3. But they are first to boost the ISO up to 25600, while all other camera only boost up to 3200 by that time (even for FF Canon). They are first to launch video dslr (D90), even though Nikon does not possess good video experience like Canon and Sony do. They are the first to launch 36MB FF sensor, with a dynamic range of 14.4EV! 14.4EV is even better than digital MF and 135mm film! 5D3 is believed to have “Detail reduction” along with the noise reduction. 1DX is postponed again and again because 1DX is a new proud product line of Canon, they cannot lose battle in this area to D4. However, D4 turns out to be too good. Therefore, 1DX is postponed again and again in order to tweat the performance to meet the level of D4. Nikon have the clear lead in digital sensor technology now.
You can’t read English? You just received explanation about D3X and A900 AA and color filters. Super professional – Ilia Borg did the research about colors processing of two cameras. Superprofesional in RAW building, not you.
If I must be so realistic, why when I sold A700 camera and was almost in “swithching to Nikon” mode, I suddenly realise that using the same sensor D7K producing a little more sharper but worst colored images then the A580? Don’t say me not, I compared one to one by myself. Carrot like faces on the portraits from D7K is already regular photoforums stories. And don’t speak about D90, I know the output of that camera not from somebody tests. The only thing it can be proud of is autofocus module. The saturation was clearly immolated to noise performance. And yes it shares the same sensor with A700.
Yep and the D90 (and D5000) mottled output at higher ISO’s thanks to RAW NR (check the dark areas for jpeg like NR artifacts), the same thing Sony was slammed for with the A700. They clearly learned a lesson too, as the later released D300s dropped the NR (and subsequently scored a bit lower in SNR measurements aswell).
Yeah C- but everyone knows the D3 and D700, the D3s, and the D4 all do use Nikon designed sensors – nobody is arguing with that. Those sensors all have a very different design than the Sony sensors Nikon has used in the D3x, D7000 and D800.
Maybe Nikon and Pentax should start putting “Sony Inside” stickers on all their camera models that use Sony sensors.
Most PC manufacturers seem happy to do this for Intel.
Not only the Sensor… Even the fastest memory card that is used in thier D4 is a Sony XQD. To all fanboys saying “i dont care about that is on the camera and who makes it as long as my photo is the best” then my the hell did you enter this argument at the first place? ran out of facts? plan B?
I am still wonder if EM5 OMG is also powered by Sony sensorrr 😀 …
Fanboys are analogous to overzealous religious nuts. I said it. Oh snap!
Andrea, you open up a can of worms…………
I bet the guy called sonyfool uses a d700. Too bad … Move on now. Get a 5g$ d800 now. Even my nexc3 can take better pics than a d700. My other camera remains a d7000 (sony sensor)
c’mon dac38, have you seen what the D800 can do? it is swag dude. bomb. yaay NIKON, go TEAM N !!! former sony fanboy out.
I understand Nikonians do not like SONY Inside sticker (virtual now). While new SONY chips are the best in industry at the moment, the same can not be said about SONY cameras. So putting equal sign between SONY and NIKON cameras by stating they share the same sensor is not fair to Nikonians. Even if the sensor is the same resulting characteristic as seen from DXOmark are not the same, probably because of other factors in camera and firmware design.
But noone here puts an equal sign between Sony and Nikon cameras.
Yet somehow we see flood of comments like one from mr. C where I don’t know if I should laugh or look at him with pity.
much agree marek, the fact that nikon has some components from sony doesn’t mean nikon’s not better. the D800 blows my mind – it’s a poor man’s RED EPIC. the fact is sony has much too learn – from panasonic, from canon, from nikon…they’re not in that league yet. not in the same league by a mile. clearly they how to make great sensors, but is a great camera just a great sensor..? evidently not.
Well the good side of all these troll comments is that more traffic are being directed here. 😀
All those who criticize Canon, Sony an nikon are total amateurs. more like wannabees. Professional or true enthusiast photographers are not loyal to brands or technology, they want the best tool to make money and have high output, and if EVF, OVF, 24mp or 36mp gives them an edge they will buy into it. This discussion as to who makes the sensor is a complete waste.
+1
I’ve worked at a lot of red carpet/press releases using Pentax, and the guys there with their 5Ds and D3s really could care less about what I was carrying anymore than what dirty words they could say to make the other guy burst out laughing. No one claims superiority over cameras much less than how much money they should be making off their representative agency.
I’ve only dealt with one fanboy during these events and you could tell she was still very green: she thought that she could get away with taking photos of the crowd by chasing the one flash I was using when I was the only press photographer there. She was a volunteer anyway, so…
Totally true:))) So far Sony makes amazing tools for portraitist and event shooters, now it gets closer to action and sports photography . I love using the stuff and couldn’t care less.