It’s months that we talk about Canon and Sony being ready to launch a 50 megapixel Full Frame cameras. There is even some weird rumor that the Canon will use the Sony 50MP sensor. And now we got first image of the new Canon 5Ds camera which uses that 50.6MP full-size CMOS sensor! From Digicameinfo via Canonwatch (full specs here).
The news matters because:
1) I got that kind of CanonSony 50 MP rumors from my sources. So it’s highly likely that if the Canon rumor is correct than also the Sony High Megapixel camera rumors are correct 🙂
2) It will be interesting to see if there is indeed a partnership on the Canon-Sony sensor front. And it we have to see what kind of consequences this will have.
3) If it’s a Canon uses the Sony sensor that the specs will be the same for the A7II (specs can be read at Canonwatch.)
4) At that point Sony cannot wait too long to launch the A7rII (or A9) with 50MP sensor!
Now let’s hope I can finally get a release date for the new A7rII (or A9)!!!! Stay tuned on SAR!
SAR note: None of my trusted sources said yet there is a Cnaon-Sony sensor partnership.S o keep it with a grain of salt. So let’s wait for the A7rII to see if there is a partnership or not…
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I thought I was on Canon Rumors for a minute. Too early in the morning. Better list the A7r for sale today.
A7rII coming yes 🙂
but who cares? 🙂 you are so excited about Canon… 🙂
Of course Admin cares, since according to SAR, the epic megapixel war has been reignited recently. The big guns are now Canon (pun unintended) and Sony, but of course, Nikon will join soon and we all can enjoy ultra high res images resized to max 2K pix on our tablets.
Well, 5K iMacs are already here, and some websites are already loading fullres images to provide fullscreen content for them. And if we are to believe Panasonic, 8K is just around the corner. If true, you’ll need at least a 33 Mp camera and you’ll still be viewing at a 100% without resizing the image on a 8K monitor. Just the sort of thing Intel was hoping for to boost their business. Never mind, I’m up for a 5DS. Or A7RII. Tough one.
Well, sure 50mp is nice to work with (if your pc is fast enough), and pixel-peeping could give a lot of satisfaction, but I doubt you can argue that screen tech warrants the mp increase.
No one is sitting or standing so close to 4K panels to see 100%, let alone 8K. 4K isn’t common and will take a long time to be so, 8K even longer. 5K iMacs are and will be a niche. Don’t let the electronics corporations fool you.
Stop drinking! I am excited to know my sources were right and that we may soon get the A7rII 🙂
were only two glasses of water 🙂
Yes, but is this sensor going to be used for the R II or for the upcoming A9?
My feeling was that all the old A7-series models would use the same sensor but add the updated grip and 5-axis IBIS. Seems like this groundbreaking sensor is better suited for a completely new series of camera. Perhaps a larger, more pro-type body to go along with the pro-type sensor.
Pixel peepers incoming…
Thanks Canon, now Sony can/have to come out the a7rII with 50MP with lowpass filter. And come out a9 50MP(Dual sensor) without lowpass filter, lossless rawfile and hybridAF!
Both with BIONZ XII Processor… wish…
Canon forever 🙂
Good news for existing (and waiting) Canon users. For me, this is just another 5D markIII with a fancier sensor. Anyway, it will cater the needs/wants for DSLR form factor lovers. Good timing, before Sony announced the A7/9/r/…
It can be a good camera for portrait / landscape shooters. I have no problem with such release, what I have “problem” with is the lack of creativity and innovation from Canon/Nikon. But we’ll wait and see 🙂
I’m old. So the Canon remains too big and too heavy.
I’m young, and agree.
me too..
I’m glad to hear it’s not just me.
After a three or four hour shoot my old 5D MkII/24-105L kit left me dog tired and weak in the arms.
So I sold the Big Beast and bought an A6000/Sigma Art kit. Now I can shoot all day without any issues.
Good to hear that works out. You can also check out the Sony Zeiss 16-70 f4, which has equivalent focal range as your Canon kit.
I’ve considered the Zeiss. I’m sure it’s a beautiful optic.
For the kind of work I do, I was rather surprised to see that the fixed focal length Sig DN Arts exactly fit the need. No distorition. Extremely sharp from wide open. Beautiful out of focus area rendition with the 60mm.
… but… that 16-70mm sure looks tempting…
I’ve been using the 1670Z on my former Nex7, and I was very happy with it. Nice colors, good contrast, excellent center sharpness.
The only real drawback was the fact, that even stopping down to f8 did not improve the corners significantly; even further stopped down extreme corners did not get sharp at all. Might be that it performs better on an A6k, as of the Nex7 having been blamed for its border and corner IQ.
So depending on your style and need you shall consider this.
Does it come with a free computer to process the 50MP raw file?
Yes, it seems to be called dual Digic 6, and will swiftly convert the RAW files into JPEGs, with multiple picture styles to choose from. It will be so compact that it fits INSIDE the camera.
Anything from 2009 onwards will do nicely
We should all congratulate Canon for submitting to Sony. They finally swallowed their pride!
I was going to say the same thing since to me it looks a lot like my a77ii in looks. maybe it’s just me?
It’s just marketing and has nothing to do with pride. Canon, Sony, Nikon etc. don’t care about photographers or their pride. Their stockholders care only about what can bring bigger profit.
These camera probably will not matter much to most of the DSLRTILCE crowd. After all most folks would not care for such high resolution when it could be traded off with better ISO/focus etc. It’ll be interesting to see the price point Cannon offers this at, to see if there will be any upstream impact to medium format users and how the likes of Hassleblad, Maimaya and Phase One will react.
Absolutely it will effect the MF companies.
The photographers who buy MF backs clearly see the benefit of making such a costly purchase but they are not stupid. If very similar results can be had for much less $ they will go that way.
This could be the real MF back killer. My theory is that we will magically be seeing a much less purchase price for Hass/Leaf/Phase …. what a time to be alive.
I don’t believe you. Same generation medium format lenses are sharper and offer better bokeh
Leaf shutters
Who told you that MF lenses are sharper? they are known to actually resolve less per inch due to the larger size of the sensor.
Also it’s not the lens that offers the more bokeh is the focal distance in relation to subject which yes will offer more for the MF bodies. Most MF lenses are a little slower in speed but make up for it by the format, so you still get a nice bokeh.
There’s already 51Mpx MF Pentax for $8500. I guess that MF cameras can go as low as $5000 (rumored Sony cam). This 5Ds will probably sell for more than $3000, so the price difference will be relatively small, and you get much bigger sensor (more light, shallower DOF). I still think there’s a market for MF, and the difference between FF and MF will be reduced to a level of current difference between APS-C and FF (a77II has the same resolution as 5DIII, but most photographers still rather buy 3x more expensive FF camera).
I hope the A9 is not 50Mp. A7RII go head. But not the A9.
That picture is actually a 5dm3, one of the official photos.
Look at the logo please 😉
http://www.oguzuygur.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/canon5dmkiii_1.jpg
Have a look at this one please 😉
Of course it keeps the current 5D shape! It’s the 5ds 🙂
Admin, you know that these things are never exactly the same. At least a couple of buttons or the position of the microphone or something else changes, even so slightly.
This one however, pixel by pixel the same as the old 5dm3 shot with slight contrast changes.
Mark my words and in 1 week come back to me when it gets announced: “This is a 100% real image”.
or a 100% real rendered image 😀 most of those product shots are these days.
Ok, my mistake. These are not the same pictures lol 🙂
Do what i just did, overlay both shots in Photoshop and see the differences. The lighting is different with the edge sheen, the shape is subtly different and the angle is slightly off. the 5ds also has the bump by the usb/hdmi plugs. So it seems more than a bit of photoshop – changing just the logos etc.
i am desperate that this is a real camera you can buy! I need a updated 5d, mine are far too long in the tooth!
50MP but the highest iso is 6400…
Yes. Not impressive.
Maybe that’s the native ISO.
Still its low for native ISO…indicates that the camera will suck at high ISO
Dear admin and other resolution freaks:…and what did you all expect?????????
Nothing more. I am not disappointed at all. If you need resolution you are almost certainly a studio photographer or landscape shooter. And therefore usually don’t need ot shoot high iso.
Exactly…. people need to chill about high iso. It’s not like there is no camera capable of high iso on the market, and it’s not like sony will never release another high iso camera ever again in the future.
well,the 36mpix cams had a bit wider area of use, many pros using the D800 at weddings forexample. The fact is that the 36mp sensor had quite good ISO performance, but overall it was a limit for a so-so universal camera…
so for me (who really likes the 36mpix sensor and would wish to have it without the shutter shock): this is madness (as you were asking recently)
6400 (even if native) is a major buzzkill. High ISO is way more important than resolution
Studio shots, landscapes, macro, architecture – these are all low-iso areas that will welcome the new camera. I guess that it would pair up great with Tamron’s new wide angle zoom for landscapes. I’m not sure, but high iso grain would probably be more acceptable with high resolution sensor.
well its always good to know what camera you are buying for your job / type of photography. as you said this will definitely be no reporters camera. its crying for a tripod or studio setting…
It is only BASE range. Of course Canon will give higher ISO possibility..
And of course, Sony won’t release a 50Mpx A-mount camera to compete against it. Oh well…
What is Nikon’s answer to this ?
50.7MP
Same sensor but better DR in a slightly different but similarly large and heavy body.
Checks out.
46 mp and more stops of dynamic range plus bumping up the ISO
How..how exactly do you except the cam to have better ISO with such massive resolution…omg you resolution freaks…
Meh if Sony reads the comments here, we’ll end up with a 75mp monster that’s useless at anything over iso800 and an 8mp camera with insane iso for the cat photographers with studios in coalmines. And nothing in between!
As long as the sensor is compatible with 4K, they will do it. It is the video and not stills! 😉
SONY creates a sensor,v lets Canon uses it first ? Is this management-wise move ?
Yes, as long as Canon pays.
It’s what happened with the 36mp sensor (d800 /a7r), so I wouldn’t rule it out…
Yes, Sony makes more money on sensors, which I. Turn makes their own cameras more profitable since R&d is spread out.
there you go…all you “dear” resolution freaks (sorry to say so,but admin included)
native ISO up to 6400..wooooow..and I give you a hint: it will suck badly..
Then suddenly all the resolutions freaks will be saying “this sucks”…How come you didnt see this comming?????
Instead of finally receiving a fully usable camera with sonys fantastic native 36mpix sensor (no, a7r is not fully usable thanks to the shutter shock) we will get this 50mpix monster, which will be only usable for landscape and studio
Well, it’s not that suddenly all our gear becomes obsolete and we cannot take a good/useful photo anymore.. 🙂
?? that was really off topic man 😀
Not really: each time a new camera is going to be released, many people wait for it as the coming of the new Messiah. Then when first specs are leaked same people cry in despair as if they were doomed. 🙂 I am exagerating, but not that much.
ok, I get you now..youre right there.
Anyway as I stated already in several comments, I was not waiting for any messiah…all I want is the a7r with fixed shutter shock/electronic first curtain. Come on people, how come 36 is not enough? 🙁 Would be a fantastic camera, but instead…well,whatever…
i am a resolution freak and i will never say this suck. i shoot with strobe and even iso100 is too high for me sometimes.
i dont want to come across as being rude, but if you are so obsessed with high iso, maybe looking into A7 and A7s, instead of bashing this new camera.
Sony released all those different versions for different needs, and people are still complaining.
Im saying that there is a fantastic compromise between high resolution and high ISO in the form of the 36mpix sensor. However, we just got this native sony sensor in half baked a7r with shutter shock issues. Instead of fixing and perfecting this great compromise, we will get more resolutions with worse ISO
50mp shouldnt be that bad… maybe it will be 1 stop compromise, or maybe it will only be half a stop. let’s wait for the review first. also i dont think 36mp is exactly a good compromise between high resolution and iso. i have looked at some a7r files and its iso 1600 pictures already look quite muddy… but since i shoot mostly in studio at low iso, i am not sure what’s the industry standard of a good high iso performance
well yes, maybe Im overreacting and sony managed to make some technological hocus-pocus that gives us a good ISO performance…only time will tell
…but the native iso limit of 6400 indicates something else 😉
maybe try downsampling? i personally never tried that, but i heard downsampling D800 files to 12mp yield cleaner ISO than D700. hope it will work out!
‘i shoot with strobe and even iso100 is too high for me sometimes’
it should have some knobs on it to turn it down.
when even the lowest setting is still too high…. well, now maybe i should get a better strobe with better output control, or get an ND filter, or close down the aperture and dont go for an shallow DOF look, etc etc. yea i thought of those already. dont worry i have my ways of fixing my problem 🙂
6400 ISO is fine actually. I rarely go above 1000 because I use a tripod and fast glass
if the 6400 would be very usable than I would be fine with it, but the upper limit is very rearly considered as usable….my A99 has the limit of 25600, but I never go over 6400…get it?
But…if you could handhold with slower, lighter, cheaper glass….?
why would you need high iso on high mp camera? just asking
Why not? What was “high resolution” just a few years back is now very low resolution.
ok so let’s wait for another several years and hope by then you will get 50mp and clean high iso in the same camera.
It’s going to be very expensive. For a true paid pro I could see dishing out for it. Clients want the cutting edge even if they don’t need it. For casual work I’ll stick to stitching. MUCH cheaper. I’d rather a 36MP no AA filter with 5 axis in either a A7 or A99II.
I truly hate reading forum comments from people who never used a camera until five years ago. ISO 6400 Is somehow a handicap to them. Never mind that all the best photographs ever made were made with ISOs (ASAs) lower than 1600.
Spoiled.
I truly hate reading forum comments from people that never shoot at wedding or dim lighten concerts, or indoor sports, and complain about people asking for high ISO
If I tell you how I shoot concerts you will laugh at me.. 🙂
You have a point though: not everyone has the same needs.
I said “dim lighten” concerts 🙂 There are gigs where I use ISO 400, and there are concerts where I get 1/30 of a second with ISO 6400
I read you, I’m thinking about “my” jazz concerts in dark clubs. 😉
I go to S&M concerts where a few candles are usually the standard. Only the A7s, 1D X and D4 can hack it in those conditions…
No flash…it disturbs the artist.
I use other tools, and agree: no flash at all. And a quiet shutter sound is mandatory: I’ve seen photogs sent away by musicians some times…quite shameful.
FYI Marco, I just checked out your Flickr site. Love your work!
Thank you for stopping by, J! 🙂 the website is still under construction, I’ll see it next week.
just buy the right camera then – this one might be the wrong model
yes youre right, sorry for spaming this forum… Im just puring our my frustration from sony not giving me what I want, childish, right? 😀
anyway I still think that sony missed a shot by not giving us a “proper” camera with their lovely 36 mpix sensor
You missed the point.
Asking for high ISO is one matter. Decrying a product as ‘crap’ because it doesn’t have ISO over 6400 is stupid. A Hasselblad H-whatever doesn’t do ISO over 800 worth a damn, and yet, it’s still a pretty useful tool for people who need such things. Expecting every camera to have every feature you just decided you had to have is stupid. Buy the other camera, then, and then moan about it ‘only’ having 36MP….
And, actually, the original point, as it relates to your reply: people took photographs at weddings, in dim lighting conditions, in indoor sports arenas for a great many years, when there was no such thing as digital, and film speeds didn’t reach beyond 1600. Now, with everyone demanding ISO 32,000, we might suppose the world is somehow very much darker than it used to be…. [Accept that comment with the humor with which it was intended.]
Maybe it’s just me, but with all the improvements in technology, more people are able to take a well-exposed photograph than ever before. But, photography in general has not been improved. Tech makes everyone ‘competent.’ I don’t very much enjoy looking at ‘competent’ photography….
hm..and you missed a lots of points…
1)
tell me where exactly did I say its crap? I was saying that the ISO is crappy not the overal product (I can clearly see that for landscape and studio it will be great). Dont put words into my mouth,please!
2)
telling me to buy the 36mpix a7r??? Really? did you even bother to read my whole post? Where I was clearly stating that the a7r is not usable cause of the shutter shock and It is sad that sony doesnt give us their marvelous 36mpix sensor in an usable camera? Obviously not…
3)
Omg such a GRANDPA TALK…Sure it was like you say… last year I was at a wedding as a guest, I was shooting there with my Minolta XD7 with an ISO 1600 film. Was fun (I like shooting film, however this was the first time I tried wedding with it), but it was VERY, VERY LIMITING and at times frustrating. Digital and ISO 6400 gives you much more options and better results overall… sorry, but your comment is out of this space (well, better to say “out of time”,grandpa) [Accept that comment with the humor with which it was intended.]
4)
well, deal with it, as we all do…Well exposed photo doesnt mean a great photo…doesnt mean at all…
Beatiful camera by Canon, chapeau! If a7rII will be, will be, but true uncompressed 14bit RAW file instead of cRAW is expected or this limit on sony’s mirrorless is part of the agreement in order not to compete over all ?
Am I crazy or does the “s” look a bit odd? Seems too low. This graphic designer is cringing…..
bad graphics, sure.
Yeah, well, i wasn’t really critiquing it in a ‘design sense.’ I was more just questioning the veracity of the product image itself. It just seemed like it might either be fake, or at best, a ‘comped’ image by Canon. Whatever. I have just been hoping Canon would put an EOS1-style top plate on this new super beast, rather than retain the amateur-style dial. I (also) truly hate that ‘idiot dial.’ This is going to cost, what, near 4 grand? I don’t want my pro-level, $4000 camera looking like someone’s Rebel. I’ve been reading rumors of Canon switching the 5D series to the dial-less top panel, but i guess they’ll wait until they have no other room to improve the technology….
Well, it’s not pretty. But I’m not surprised in any way. Seems a lot of asians have a hard time selecting proper latin fonts. They mix gothic and serif fonts like crazy, and it often looks like absolute junk. But I guess the same could be said whenever an american or european dude tries on kana or pinyin.
I’m fine with 6400 iso in an a7. I take my broncolor move everywhere I go for professional jobs.
For hobby photographs and whatnot, speedlights and or pushing the raw file seem to work just fine
And what if you didn’t use flash? A7 ISO range is larger, which makes ISO 6400 usable in low light conditions where 1.8 and 1/60 are needed. I suspect that an ISO range up until 6400 means that ISO 1600 may look like A7 at ISO 6400.
its not a camera for everybody and every job. lets call it a one trick pony: high resolution 😛
I’m OK with that.
Many won’t because they are spoiled.
What if I forgot to bring a lens?
I want clean iso 51200. Thats because i take pictures with minimum of light handheld. In the night with fog and little light
Have you looked at the A7S?
i really hope sony and canon dont work together to make same 50mp sensor
tiny iso range (6400), low fps(5), few AF points (61) -> thats usual bad canon sensor technology
i hope sony design their own 50mp sensor, growing the a6000 one, giving us
25600 iso, 11 fps and 50/contrast 358/phase hybrid AF -> now thats sony sensor technology and not that canon crap
NOW, release the a9, with that ff sensor (just a 6000 sensor 2 times bigger cut from the waffer) put inside a dslr body so theres space for 2 bionz chip, 2 times memory buffer and 2 batteries, and there you go, a killer camera
then just watch canikons ceos jumping (or pushed) from the building
Buddy do some reading before posting nonsense
* 11fps at 50MP – how do you propose this get written to some storage? Should you plug dual channel SSD storage array in your camera? Would the storage be actually a bit more expensive than the camera? Not to mention that the camera will need some processing power to write things to the card. A6000 having compressed 12bit 24MP RAW is problematic – In some cases it can write files to a very fast card for about a minute after you finish shooting a sequence at 11fps. Even if the Canon camera uses two ultra fast XQD cards 50MP 14 bit RAW files without compression at 11fps will not be easy to work with.
* 61 points AF on Canon DSLR are not related to the sensor at all. As well 61 AF points for DSLR is actually fantastic. 358 or so points on the sensor are much worse in comparison.
* 50MP full frame will have similar high iso performance to A6000 due to similar pixel size. iso 6400 is actually a bit too high for A6000 in my opinion. This is something like extended range if taking bad picture is more important than no picture at all. A6000 can shoot iso 25600 with abysmal quality.
You ask for rather arbitrary pretty numbers with no idea what those numbers will be used for…
How would you actually use 11fps, or 25,6250 iso, or 358 AF points?
not arbitrary numbers… just an a6000 sensor doubled up
11fps are standard to sony slt for the last 5 years, sony last year bring that speed to mirrorless, this year ff sony sensor will had it, sony say themselves that this year they will be after sports/speed (AF/fps) with ff fe
25600 iso is standard to any sensor this days
358 AF points are doubling the a6000 ones, as i say, this sensor would be like cutting a bigger sensor from the a6000 waffer
Unless you can actually say what use you have for these nunbers they are meaningless arbitrary numbers…
You want numbers that are double a6000, or standard to other numbers you have seen elsewhere..that makes them meaningless arbitrary numbers.
I ask again…what do you actually want those numbers for and what do you want to do with then?
For example…in normal daylight I can shoot f11 or 12 at 1/1000 second at 3400-6400iso
That is sufficient to use a 600mm f6.3 with 1.4x teleconverter for birds in flight.
5 frames /second actually allows several poses per sequence…that makes these specifications highly usable for me if the image quality at 3400 or 6400 iso is actually reasonable.
Thats what I mean about actual uses for specifications rather than just arbitrary numbers.
“50MP full frame will have similar high iso performance to A6000 due to similar pixel size.”
At pixel level, yes. Viewed as a 50mp image as a whole, the pixels are smaller, the image is sharper and the noise is less visible. That’s the advantage of full frame.
* how panasonic write 200mb/s? sony had XQD cards
* processing power? if one chip can handle a6000 two will handle a double-up sensor, thats why i put dual processor
* are you saying a6000 AF its slow? try one before you talk
* 50mp will had exactly same pixel size than canon 6400, beside i will chose a sony sensor vs a canon one anytime, iso, dr, speed, etc
your points are basically, 11fps is not needed, 5fps is enough, 61 canon AF is good enough, not need for more, 6400 iso is good enough and better than an aps-c sensor lol
you only defend canon sensor, thats like 5 year old technology, any sony sensor (a7 line) put in shame the canon 5ds
I have a6000 and am not defending anything but common sense. A6000 AF is as inaccurate as it is fast so not a great example of a focusing system. You may want to try a modern DSLR they may not move the lenses so fast but tend to hit the mark much more often especially when tracking an object. Even A7 with EA4 adapter tends to be more useful for sports than A6000. I have and use both with the best lenses Sony sells like the 70-200s.
To write Uncompressed 50MP 14bit RAW files you need 8000mbs like 40 times more than what you identify. A good RAW file will be around 90 to 100MB. A6000 stores 12bit compressed heavily RAW file that many experienced photographers despise and find useless.
Again 61 focusing points for DSLR has nothing to do with the sensor! Sony’s A77M2 has about the same amount of focusing points and some people quite like it. Much more useful for sports than a6000 again.
And let me guess, you want a rangefinder style body no larger than the a5100…
if you cant even read the full post, well, i can ressume to you, a dslr body
After a long time of using NEX-es I find this a fugly camera. I would be ashamed if someone saw me with it. 😉
As a photographer. I wouls be ashamed to hang around with you.
wouwou there some proud guy, look at you, you’re not a photographer, you’re just a teenager with canikon 🙂 i would be ashamed to know you.
Even if we assume Canon and Sony will use same sensor technology to go to 50MP this still does not mean they will use same sensors. As sony have described on many occasions they have three types of sensors – exclusively made for particular vendor (Nikon and may be Canon now), exclusively made for Sony (A6000 and A7s sensor) and generally available sensors.
I would doubt that the new 50MP to be used by Canon will be generally available. It will suppose this sensor is made exclusively for Canon. The specs of Canon sensor will definitely be different from future Sony cameras. It is similar with D3x, D4s sensors that are different from A900, A7s though they probably use similar technological advances.
That is not the three scenarios Sony described. They were:
1. Sensors ONLY Sony use
2. Sensors that are made and then made available to other vendors at some point
3. Generally available sensors
A7S falls under the first, 1″ falls under the second and what Nikon, Pentax etc get fall under the third.
guess canon users get to SAR beacuse they feel lonely in their CW site
welcome
its funny how you come here thinking you know everything, enlighting us, teaching us, please tell us how canon sensors are the best (even if they indeed be manufactured from sony)
please tell us how great is 6400 iso, 5fps
please tell us how real photographers wont need anymore
I hear numerous comments about the 6400 iso.
Whats important is not how high the iso, but how high the usable iso.
If 3200 or 6400 actually produce good clean results that would be fantastic.
In numerous posts I read that: come on,6400 is fine…the problem is that how often the high limit of ISO range is usable? The answer is: never 😉
anyway, its true that this is just a rumor..and a rumor about a canon camera…so let us see, guess I was overreacting my self 🙂
True – but as a rule the maximum iso setting is there for the occasions when your only priority is to get the photo (ie you’ll happily accept a big trade off in iq). 6400 is about as high as I’d push an a77, but 12800 is there if you need it. My concern is that a limit of 6400 suggests that noise wise your results will be compromised and the usable range is going to be quite limited. If the intended market is going to be shooting at or near base iso, it might be a non-issue…
I’m curious as to whether we’ll see a revised 36mp version (with EFCS, fast af and ibis).
Correctomundo.
Usable 6400 with a big sensor would be huge. I can think of several commercial jobs this year where using the 7s would have been really useful but the file size was just too small.
While I need better ISO sensitivity, I am optimistic that a move to 50MP will bring 8k UHD video. Downsampling to 4k may produce an amazing level of quality, and it would provide the option of cropping/extracting/re-framing to 4k from 8k. 10080×4320 = 21:9 = 43.5 megapixels = anamorphic (CinemaScope). Could this be the perfect storm with H.265 and XQD v2?
your brain left you the moment you wrote this nonsense. sincerely your logic.
If Sony was helped Canon with Sensors…. then let’s hope Canon will help Sony with…….. CONTINUOUS AUTOFOCUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine a A77 Mark III with a RELIABLE and EFECTIVE Continuous Autofocus like a Canon 7D…… will be a DREAM !!!!!!!!!!
Reliable AF from Canon?
What’s wrong with the Mark II AF?
The Contiunous Autofocus with fast moving subjets, like cyclist, there isn’t in the same ligue like 70D, 7D, 7D II, D7100 and… D7000
Canon EOS7D Mark ii vs Sony a6000 Side-by-Side Sh…: http://youtu.be/C5pDJPAd1OQ
you’re full of crap sir 🙂
jaja sure Einstein, let me think….. so your family, your pretty daughter, even your stinky MOTHER ajjajajaj is like THAT !!!! jajajaj 🙂
what ? Wash your mouth kid 😉
next time think before you write instead of saying I’m full of crap or send me to wash my mouth, you wrote something polite, If not, I’ll send wash ALL the little people I named !!! LOL
Didn’t you hear? Sony nailed it already with the A77II and the A6000.
pure nonsense
That was my thought. As a bird shooter, the idea of a 7D MK II with a Sony sensor is a dream machine. I don’t give a rats a$$ who makes my gear if it works for me.
Can’t wait for the OS hack lol
I’m hoping for a 4K 30fps feature with the ability to shoot raw via ML 🙂 This camera might even be able to output 6K and 8K. All it needs is a hack lol
Thank you Sony for the sensor 🙂 and Sorry D810 owners 🙁
Canon fan boys , yoohoo …
Canon is asking for Sony’s help…
na na na na na
The biggest joy in your life :))
as long as it is going to make them mad
they keep watching this blog so I wanted them to speak 😉
It’s sad that all these discussion boards are only full of fan boys and
pointless band-bashing.
I would like to see civilised, polite and objective talk about photography and gear.
And all of us should be happy when a company launches something new. Competition is good and we have more things to choose from.
See my post above. I’m not sure the nature of this competition is actually good in the long run.
It’s undeniable that is why we are at this stage, with all the fabulous gear available, but something has to give if the losses keep accruing.
You have a good point. I think technology will evolve, sales will fall a bit but people always want better gear, even if they don’t need it.
And lots of them will be able to buy it.
Still, i think good manners and respect is getting increasingly rare as technology advances…
“I think good manners and respect is getting increasingly rare”
Never a truer word spoken and so very sad.
civilized ? anyone who is too good at photo or video has not much free time , even less for discussing the matter on rumors site like this. moreover he’s happy with what he has and does not care about some possible releases, he waits until he gets an offer to review it. I am starting to feel that this is purely for fans and trolls.
I agree with this.
So which one are you fan or troll?
neither, i am just a smart kid 😛
Don’t take it so seriously , we are discussing everything here and I’m ready to answer any question if I know I could.
In the meanwhile i like to annoy those Canon fans while waiting for some action 😉
Live from the field while I’m having my favorite potato chpis , jalapeno peper ;p
I that what I think it is. The unholy 600mm!
:/
don’t mess with my baby
Sounds more like Sony can’t do it alone, and has asked Canon’s help. So much for Sony fanboy tiresome sniping at Canon.
/shrug. If it helps them put solid af and fix the rest of the images present in the R who cares.
Hmm ,, so you want to convince me that a company made a 50 MP medium format sensor and 36 Mp Ff sensor is seeking help from a company who made a max of 20 MP FF sensor.
Nice
Lol my thoughts exactly. Canon seems desperate in technological terms Sony is desperate money wise.
If Sony doesn’t resolve the shutter vibration issues and provide uncompressed RAW files, it would be pointless to buy the A7r ii. If so, despite the size disadvantage and no EVF, the Canon (though it will definitely be overpriced) will likely be the better option.
The A99R will use the same 50MP sensor. The two new updated A-mount Zeiss lenses will be able to take 50MP resolution.
The A9 could be the 46MP with the same feature as the A6000.
A7RII will still be same 36MP sensor with just added IBIS just like the A7II
wow! what a prediction! and seems realistic and coherent, too!
A99 2 with increased ISO performance and A77II AF would be just fine
Yeah for A99II, speed & amazing AF is way more important to me than resolution. I’d actually like both options, however. A99R (with the 50.6 MP sensor) and A99S (with 12 MP – 24.6 MP), 10 FPS minimum, for sports.
Maybe, though my guess would be an a7rii with a 46-50mp sensor (possibly with ibis) and the a9 with an evolved 36mp sensor and a pro spec body (EFCS, dual sd slots, ibis, fast af)…
That actually seems like the smartest way of going about this. You surely don’t need the 50mp sensor in your “pro” a9, but the A7r is supposed to be “the ultimate in resolution” according to their slideshows or whatever, so it would be a little odd to not have it in the next gen.
You seriously believe they come up with two high MP count sensors?
I wondered the same thing. Why? It’d make more sense for on of them to be tailored to 4K output. After all, the 5D2 was the video DSLR……….
Mithra looks over you my frightened child – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y
Good doc. What’s your point nimrod!
50mp bayer and another 46mp layered sensor?
Thom Hogan recently wrote a blog suggesting there was panic amongst camera companies as to how to address the fall in sales, but I don’t think he understood the issue either.
While he was correct in that most of it is undoubtedly down to phones, camera companies are hastening their own downfall with this endless quest for better.
In years gone by developments were slow, by comparison, and one camera body performed much as any other, simply because they depended upon the film! So photographers could continue quite happily using the same kit for years. Even though this ability is effectively unchanged, the frequent advances are often very appealing.
However, it takes a great deal of money in R&D, together with all the tooling costs, for new models. If the ‘shelf life’ is very short, before that model is superceded, then the likelihood of any model recouping the costs become vanishingly slim and therein hangs the difficulty.
No manufacturer can stand still, as no-one wants ‘old’ technology, but if they keep progressing they make a loss on any existing model more likely. Add to that the huge effect of mobile phone cameras, it is a recipe for disaster and no wonder why there is panic!
There will be those who would use such a camera as these being rumoured, but I fear it might be another nail in a coffin I don’t want to see closed!
Problem is that there was a huge spike in camera sales with digital – people had to go from cheap 20$ film cameras to 400$ digital cameras and camera companies were very happy. Now things are coming to their normal level before Digital i.e. the mass users go to phones i.e. 20$ cameras. Still there are more photography fans now than there were 14 years ago when digital gained speed. So market will be much bigger than it used to be in the 90’s but many times smaller than in 2010.
I agree, but the costs of producing incrementally smaller improvements are huge and increasing.
A shrinking market with increasing costs can only lead to one result!
It’s not like camera companies aren’t working their business model to counter act faster release cycles. This is the reason why all of the A7’s share pretty much the same exact body. This has been carried over to the A77II as well. They are making minor internal changes and short production runs to curtail the quick fall off in sales after a product is released.
I can see the “saving” aspect of it, but not how it will shake the market and reverse the collapse of camera-sales
Plus the Iphone + Android devices are getting better in taking pics. The vast majority of people can’t see the difference between those and a “real” camera, and they don’t care about enlarging, let alone pixel peeping. Things will become worse very soon.
The new soon to be released leica s kinda losses it’s appeal seeing as they are staying at 37mp.
Will this new tech high MP sensor bring some technical advantages to lower res sensors, eg. can we hope to get A7s ISO performance with 24MP sensors soon?
The A7s sensitivity comes from the individual pixel size of the sensor, I doubt this technology from50mgpx can somehow upgrade the lowlight sensitivity of the lower mgpx sensors. I see this more like marketing stuff, who will use these cameras anyway ? who will be able to process the data ? the price of 36mgpx cameras will be lower,thus more appealing to many and satisfactory to many. IMPO those seeking 50mpgx will still prefer MF cameras than these. I guess that the pixel size will be the same as those at micro4/3 sensors and thus share similar lowlight capabilities.
I had hopes for new sensor tech to come after all those rumors. If you are right we will get higher MPs with the same old tech.
The only really “new” sensor tech I have seen recently released is the new BSI technology from Samsung (well, BSI is not new, but putting is in an aps-c sized sensor with 28MP is new). But I think the jury is still out on what the improvements in IQ are. I have not seen any controlled testing of noise and DR on that new sensor.
A7s resolution is made to match 4K video resolution when image is cropped to 16:9 not because of technical issues with building 16 or 24 MP sensors. Think before writing please.
You should think before writing. Dave asked a question to something he didn’t know the answer to. There is nothing wrong in that. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge. Knowledge is something to be shared and belittling someone for trying to gain knowledge is small indeed.
You are correct apologies to Dave. I still think I provided accurate info. Teh A7s resolution is 4K resolution in essence. On full frame this gives a very good ISO advantage
This is partially incorrect, a7s resolution is also kept small so more light can hit the photosites
you should think before writing
he asked one thing and you answered some other thing, good one
4) At that point Sony cannot wait too long to launch the A7rII (or A9) with 50MP sensor!
i hope it’s true. 😀
I doubt it….
There was a pretty good delay between the D800 and the A7r, remember?
An A7R or A9 could never compete with this because Sony doesn’t have the lenses. Only An A-mount A99-class camera or higher can compete.
The A9 will be able to use the same lenses the A99 can… and then some.
No thanks! E-mount is too thin to support the weight of a long lens. Ask any professional who actually tried to work with a 300mm F2.8 on an A7 or the like with an adapter. E-mount was never intended for professional work.
Really? How come you cannot put small thing in big box? Why do you need big thing for a big box?
If you actually thought about it for more than 10ms before sending this you probably would have figured that E mount can be made either thin or fat where DSLRs can only be made fat!
As you can see with the Panasonic GH4 or A7 M2 a mirrorless camera can be put in a huge box and be quite fat
A7 series cameras can use EF and A mount glass and pretty much all other lenses made to date where both rumoured 5Ds or A99 would only take lenses designed for their specific DSLR mount and may be just may be some other DSLR mounts…
Nonsense – plenty of pros use e-mount bodies
Just grip the combination at the lens, as decades before. Never any monster camera body was needed to handle a fast tele. The dino bodies are just a strange trend during recent years. I never will have need for.
E-mount is not limited to small bodies.
And you seem to be forgetting the recent reinforced mount fitted to the A7 II. There is no limitation in the E-mount design that limits usefulness for pros.
Any “pro” lugging around a camera with a 300 f2.8 attached, with the tripod screwed into the body is clearly doing it wrong. Very wrong. And if you shoot hand held, the hand supports the lens, you never hold it like a P&S. Pretty obvious.
You never used an Olympus OM, Nikon FM camera back in the day did you.
I don’t agree with you. I just put my A6000 (very small E-mount camera) on my 1000m f5 telescope with aq 2x Barlow lens (so effectively a 2 meter telescope!) and took nice pictures with it. I was glad I did not need a heavy DSLR on it!
Lame. I’ve seen better from an old Zeiss lens.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
All those complaining about limited ISO range and therefore ‘bad’ 6400… Have a look at Sony’s 50MP MF sensor at what it can do at ‘max’ ISO 6400. Not expecting MF ISO here, but max 6400 doesn’t mean bad 6400. This will also undoubtedly have expansion on the 6400 out to 25600 as a guess…
Sony’s 50mp 44×33 sensor doesn’t have max ISO6400 (hint: 645Z)
And? It does in the Hassleblad. As I say, there will be extended ranges most likely.
So no Dual Pixel AF… Looks like it IS a Sony sensor (and laughs at those who said it will be DPAF and will be much better because of it).
And still hilarious that people claimed it was trivial to make a Canon ‘version’ with DPAF.
Indeed. If they are using Sony sensors, lack of Dual Pixel AF in these new 5D models would suggest that a Canon reliant on Sony sensors is more likely to use Sony’s hybrid system than Dual Pixel for any future mirrorless camera.
It seems to me that would dash any hopes of the AF in a Canon mirrorless being compatible with old Canon lenses designed for traditional PDAF (well, compatible in the sense of providing any more than poor AF performance).
Well maybe this ties into unusually timed articles about SLT technology (which is still a better way to adapt legacy AF mounts).
I saw an article (on a rumor site – so take it for what it is worth) that Canon licensed Sony to use DPAF technology in making this sensor. I think it was on Canon Rumors. So, there is a chance that 1) This Canon DOES have a Sony sensor and at the same time 2) it still has DPAF.
Does that mean Sony gets to use dpaf on the new 7rii(a9)?
Guessing they are the same camera until i reliably hear otherwish.
Not sure. Maybe – if they want to.
Canon will sell many more Sony sensors than Sony alone so this makes financial sense for cash poor Sony, they have probably already agreed some differences so they can go after their own market segments.
Which may go a long way towards explaining Sony’s move more to mirrorless.
Then its a win-win for both.
Sony is selling LOTS of sensors in non-Sony bodies.
Canon scores again!
Excellent system for those wanting a traditional DSLR with the very best modern lenses, with those three zooms 11-24, 24-70 & 70-200 this camera will be the top of its game.
Pretty good modern lenses, but not the very best.
Their 24mm, although 1.4, is not better than the Sony ZA 24mm f2. Never mind the MF Zeiss ZF/ZE 24mm.
The 24-70L II is worth its salt, no doubt. No other 24-70 I can think of being that good (but the price…)
The 35mm 1.4 is not worth its price thanks to Sigma.
The 50mm 1.8/1.4 or 1.2 are also not as great thanks to Sigma or Zeiss if looking for the VERY BEST.
The 85mm land is grossly overpopulated (not as much as 50 land) but I doubt Canon has “the very best” on that, especially with the Otus out there.
I don’t care for further telephoto but the Zeiss 135mm for Sony is a living legend.
Wait, what happened to the ultra wides? Zeiss 15mm 2.8 ZF/ZE, the best 15mm.
Zeiss 21mm 2.8, the modern sibling of the legendary Contax 21mm.
Can we also count the ZE ZF/35mm f2?
Or the 28mm ZE/ZF?
“the very best” is a good attempt at polishing their you know what…
>The 24-70L II is worth its salt, no doubt. No other 24-70 I can think of being that good (but the price…)<
Yes.
Praise Allah for the work you’re doing for Satan and his minions.
“It will be interesting to see if there is indeed a partnership on the Canon-Sony sensor front”
But we already know that there is. Canon is already buying the 1″ sensor from Sony.
Canon have used Sony sensors in compacts before. My aging G12 has a Sony CCD sensor, for example. But I don’t think they have ever used a Sony sensor in a DSLR, so that would be new.
Also, a partnership implies something more than just one company buying sensors from the other. It implies that they are developing sensors together, which I don’t think is the case.
I dont understand why this sensor should have inferior High ISO. They call 6400 “Regular sensitivity”. The pixel density is the same as in a 24 Megapixel APS-C sensor, so a 50 Mpix/FF sensor should have equal low light performance compared to a A6000 or A77II. Right?
Yes, and the A6000 and A77II have inferior high ISO image quality compared to a FF sensor with, say, 12, 24 or 36 MP.
“Inferior”- Poor choice of words. Less performance- yes. Inferior- hardly.
That was the word used by the OP, I simply repeated it. I agree with your point.
I think Canon fans are laughing at us all right now. For those that stuck it out and didn’t jump ship simply because of “inferior” sensor tech…well, looks like you just got your wish.
they probably laughing about A-mount fans only. Canon’s mirrorless offerings are still just plain embarrassing for any Canon fanboy.
True, but they are laughing non-the-less. This might be more of a kill for A mount than anything Sony could have done on their own. What argument is there now for A mount. You have to specifically have this thing for minolta glass and a few of their more obscure offerings to justify it. EVF really is the last hold out in a system that’s stunted by a lack of growth.
Kill for E-Mount because Canon users have much less of a reason to change systems now. Haven’t been bitten by EVF bug yet. Don’t want to suffer lens adapters. Don’t want to loose elegant flash system. Don’t want new batteries, new chargers, new menus…
No reason for Canon users to convert now. None.
Don’t want to deal with Sony reputation for betraying her own users lens mount and flash system.
With this sensor, nothing to stop Canon developing their M mount further into NEXy Toy Cam territory.
Missed it Sony. Hope you enjoyed your half second of camera glory. The Canon sleeping giant has awakened.
You mean the non-existent FF M-Mount with 0 native and adapted EF glass. Glass has been the canon guys argument no. 1 ever since. This time Sony’s been there first.
I said “nothing to stop Canon from developing”. M full frame is non existent the same way E full frame was not existent during NEX era.
I am afraid you are right. I had waited too long for a high-res Canon sensor, and when the A7R came out, I got it and sold my 5D2. But I kept my Canon lenses and have struggled with the Metabones adapter. Now I may go back to a Canon body and keep the A7R with the 55mm Zeiss as an extra.
You are 100% right. But … I guess they realized that even with that exclusive 50 Mpix sensor tech, they would not sell nearly enough A99II bodies in order to cover the tremendous R&D costs. I hate to say it but that’s probably one of the reasons why the A-mount will not survive.
So you better keep your glass shelf clean for your Loxia’s. 😉
If Nikon did not commission 36mp sensor for Sony Imaging, then perhaps Sony Alpha users never would have gotten it in a camera. If Canon did not commission this sensor from Sony Imaging (if they did), than Sony Alpha users…
I’ll probably get flamed for saying this but I’m still glad I sold my 5d mk 3. The a7 system in theory (it’s not quite there yet) is still superior. The lenses are superior for what I want.
I understand there aren’t many lenses, but a leica 90, a loxia 35 and a loxia 50 cover most of my photography range. Manual focusing on the 5d mk 3 was not fun at all.
For studio work, I still have my hasselblad and again, it’s superior to the 5d mk 3 for that. I accept the 5d mk 3 is a great camera. For general photography it’s far superior to the a7 and the hasselblad I own, in my opinion. I prefer to use the correct tool for the job though and the a7’s are great to take out, they have a specific need as does the hasselblad and each camera fills that specific need better than the 5d mk 3 does.
I wish sony came up with a 600ex-rt lithium flash but I’m still happy with how things are going
The 5D3 is for moving targets, where the Sony simply hangs up her boots.
However, Canon crippled it for manual focus because they are cheap, and I have not bought any because they don’t deserve 3000 for an autofocus-only camera.
Please Sony , please put this in an A99II. It belongs there. No mirrorless please…put it in the proper camera.
I don’t see them putting 50Mp sensor in A99 II without branching A99 into several versions, e.g. R, S, etc. Such high pixel count is a very specialised product.
Great… Now Sony betrays her own again by giving the best sensor tech to Alpha competition. A-Mount users are forced to suffer tiny toy cameras and adapters just to keep up. Canon/Nikon don’t have to adapt lenses or flash.
I imagine a fantasy world three years ago with 36mp a99 and no D800. Sony A-Mount would be soaring high above the competition by now. Sony could have followed up with an a33 sized full frame high MP camera. CaNikon would be devastated.
Now they just gave Canon owners a reason to stick with what they already have. And Sony disenfranchises their own pro loyalists at the same time.
I’ve never seen a company who betrays her own the way Sony does. Disgusting.
The explanation lies in the fact that Sony Semiconductor is a separate company from the consumer electronics company, of which the imaging division is a part. The latter is just one of many customers to the former. I can assure you, that the Sony Corporation as a whole is better off selling sensors to many companies. The sensor business is worth more to them, both in terms of revenue and profits, than the camera business.
That doesn’t justify abandoning the A-Mount loyalists who made it profitable for Sony to purchase Minolta in the first place. Selling a sensor to CaNikon does not justify holding it back from A-Mount.
True, but I don’t think any sensor could give A-mount a larger market share. If ‘bad’ sensors were bad for camera sales, then Canon wouldn’t be the market leader. There are other things affecting camera sales more than the sensor tech.
Got to have a way to pay the bills until such time as World Domination occurs 🙂
I don’t think any of these companies see customers as “their own.” You are a unit, a check on a spreadsheet. Loyalty in any corporate sense should always direct itself toward generating more sales. There are no established culture norms- just the appearance of such things. Valuing the customer= more sales please. When the sales no longer come the customer is no longer important.
Sony Semiconductor would bend over backwards to more than double their volume output of APS-C / full frame sensor fabrication and sales.
However there was someone on CR saying they created this as a false rumor on purpose to see how far it would go.
We don’t even know how Sony will respond yet. They could drop two Full Frame A-mount bodies at any second.
That would be the thing to do. The A-mount is solid Base to produce a nice proline. And with a proper marketing ( not Fong please) it would have a big slice of the market. I’m on hold with buying because Sony is not clear with A-mount. I wait until a proper A-mount body with latest tech is launched to show commitment. In the end I’m the customer and Sony as to show the right offer.
You are absurdly shortsighted to ever take any photos anyway, what do you care?
This is not a Sony sensor…it is manufactured by Canon!!!!
Admin: So glad you finally got that trolling piece of s**t MCS under control. THANK YOU!
Shhhh! Don’t summon him!
Sony is the bestest 11 bit cameras on the interwebs ever !
5 fps. Impressive. Sony biggest problem is their processing power.
if you buy this camera you dont need high fram rate…
Looks like an exciting future for the world of 11 bit Sony color. More pixels, less color. That’s the Sony way!
no 14bit-RAW no party
I want it so RAW it comes with a warning.
If you want true 14-bit out of a Sony camera, get an A99.
Or simply don’t get a Sony 😀
Canon 5DS, I guess that S stands for Sony :))
That was a good one 🙂
I mean with a 50Mp sensor, it can’t stand for ‘sensitivity’ like in Sony’s A7S.
Then it would be extremely funny if this Canon 5Ds turns out to have a 12Mp sensor 🙂
And a bit annoying if Sony gives them the 12Mp sensor.
I would get so mad if Sony gives the 12MP to Nikon and Canon. I want that sensor to be for Sony users only!
they can have the 24, 36, 50 but not that super special 12!
So, you want it to be wasted on a toy camera? Suit yourself.
Do you pretend you’ve outgrown the A7s?
No, the A7s is not good enough for me. No Sony cameras are, in fact.
Pfff,
We’ve heard such claims many times before, unfortunately, never turn out to be true!
The Ds models have traditional been the studio cameras.
or…or…supercalafragalisticexpialadoshus. You never know.
or maybe ‘silly amount of pixels’ 🙂
You know you can down res and improve noise levels, right?
No, I actually don’t. I’m aware of what your talking about but I really don’t know how to do that. Maybe I should look into it.
Nothing special in it… just down res but use a resampling algorithm or else it (line skipping or plain binning) doesn’t help.
canon’s used the ‘s’ on the 1 series to identify what they feel is a studio camera.
I’m so F#$#% tired of all this drama.
I was just out this morning for a nice walk with my A99 and 24-70ZA and my messanger bag to get some pictures of the frost and street photography in downtown Salt Lake City. A nice crisp morning. And this guy with a Nikon spots me and we pass and say hello. Then I hear him say “Ha! Is that one of those A-mounts? I heard A-mount is dead!” I didnt even know this guy and we hadnt talked before, so this was just uber strange. So I turned around and he took a picture of me, confused, and then came up to me and said he’s been doing that to A-mount users for about a year now. He’s making a montage called “The look of a Dead Mount” and it will be on his website. I told him I didnt want to be a part of it and he said “no problem, I’ve just been bluring out faces in that case.”
The more I think about this, the more infuriated I get. The whole industry thinks we’re a big joke.
I might just quit photography altogether.
You should have said, “Huh, is that a Nikon, I heard there was a recall on that thing.”
No kidding. I was just so taken aback by it that I probably looked like an idiot. I didnt say much.
YOu should do your own montage for all those D750 owners. The look of Nikon guys when they see their first “Nikon Sunset.”
By the way, not sure if anyone has noticed but I think Amazon pulled the D750. You can only get a used import. Been that way about 4 days now.
Maybe I should have just knocked him to the ground and beat the snot out of him.
Thats exactly what I thought. LOL
So now you know who the troll is!
Seriously ? That guy is a complete shame to the photography community in general
i do hope it’s just a cool story
I wish it were just a story. But no, it happened. The man had a D800 varient. So that makes it worse.
Dude, it is Nikon that will be a dead mount if they don’t get a better mirrorless strategy up and running soon! At least Sony has a modular system so your lenses can be used on smaller bodies if you want.
I don’t think Nikon worries. When they feel like flexing muscles they just flex, they being Nikon always takes the wait and seesee approach.
Nope, your story is totally false, made to troll sony users. It’s obvious.
You should have taken his picture and told him you are making a montage called “The look of a sheep that lines up to buy whatever dinosaur product Nikon is dishing out” and it will be on your website.
If that makes you want to quit them maybe you should have never started.
You shouldn’t take all this too serious! If you have fun with your A99 than go for it. There is no reason to let someone take you down, who has no better thing to do as making a montage about a “dead” camera mount.
This guys comment was a silly joke and it should be treated exactly like that.
God – what he do to anyone shooting on film?
Personally, when I look for a camera, I look for the ones that suit my photography needs, I dont care what brands, and in this case, Sony gives me best color, IBIS and perfect Minolta 3D unique look to all my wedding photos. People who make a big deal out of gear brands and new model, technical specs are not really into photography, they should be come camera saleman.
Listen, I have done and continue to do great photography with my Sony cameras than those so called professional top of the line photographers in Miami, FL. Last night I posted this in FB:
“Well, I must say, that the more photos of some local photographers I see, the less I understand why people can be blind to continue to get pics from them. Go figure, I guess that’s the human nature!”
All this dumb, unrespectful, other brand photographer only believe in Canon and Nikon and are blindfolded in regards to the fact that the Photographer Makes The Camera, not the other way around. Keep shooting and forget about that a*** hole.
Now, what you should of said is this… “Oh this? This is just a toy… that I used on your mom last night. See how big the lens is? My d!@k is much bigger, but it was double penetration all the way… Here, smell the lens.” Then take a picture of yourself and say… “I’m taking pictures of all the people that boned your mom as part of a montage that will presented on your mom’s birthday.”
So you are “F#$#% tired of all this drama”, and yet you pay attention to a jerk on the street you never talked to? What about enjoying the nice walk and the photos?
LOL total troll,, not even remotely true. Who would care so very much about the future of the sony mount besides sony users? Only the competition. Quit photography because someone took a photo of you,,, lol maybe it was meant to be.
In all fairness, everyone talks about “troll this” and “troll that” but……
Everyone is a troll. Every single one of us is a troll. That’s the TRUTH.
Yeah but this guy just makes up a fictional story to shake the fragile minds of the SAR readers. Honestly I think the the big two (canikon) are scared, really scared of what sony is bringing to the table.
Not at all. The market shares have been pretty constant ever since Sony took over the KM camera division. However, they are all scared of the fact that people are leaving the camera market in droves for the smartphone market.
This article by Thom Hogan is pretty spot on:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/panic-is-setting-in.html
No you are hallucinating. I’ve never said anything to put another photographer down based on the camera they were holding. People take damn good photos even with smartphones. And i don’t know anyone else who puts anyone down like that either. People with better cameras don’t care for that.
You sound just like those FT/MFT/Pentax people who cry wolf and say they went to a photography class and got molested by Canon and Nikon users… maybe it’s your fantasy.
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fine–so make 120 megapixxicams and all will go down in price deeper and deeper.
If Sony mounts this sensor in an FE body it will be an A7r II. If it comes with large area pdaf, or dual pixels and electronic first shutter, it will be an A9.
Do you know what the “S” stands on 5Ds stands for? That’s right! “S” for Sony LOL
It has a Sony sensor inside lololol. Thumbs up if I made you laugh 🙂
What did it stand for in the 1D S series?
Stupidly not Sony? 🙂
Eos 5DS and Eos 5DS R but no 5D4 [yet]… I thought it was April 1st with this naming scheme.
5d4 to come later..this is a mf competitor..see my comment above..latest rumors are…
Or maybe Sony sign a deal with Canon that it won’t use or sell the 50MP sensor and exclusively for Canon for 1 or 2 years; just like when Nikon release the D800, we waited for so long to get the A99 with the same sensor.
please a new 24mp sensor for A99II and an maybe A99II R with 50+mp. I want a better low light performance not a pixel monster! and please a fast silent e-shutter!
im right there with you on this one!! i dont need or want 50MP.
So why do you post above that you cant wait for the new camera to come out?
Because im hoping they will release a “normal” MP count camera along side the rumored high MP camera.
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Latest rumors are….
This is not the Sony/Canon sensor of recent rumors
The 5ds and 5dr are Canon made sensors specifically tuned for best color fidelity and lowest noise, and this camera may not even have dual pixel system.
This camera is specifically geared towards studio and landscape photographers, not sport/wildlife photography.
Another camera..5d mark IV is rumored to be coming out later in the year and will be geared more towards higher speed.
50.6mp effective resolution, 53mp actual resolution.
From which source?
From the voices that talk to Barry…
+1
Thus far those voices have usually been very accurate
Canon Watch…note these are just the rumors I have found…not my predictions…I do not know if thes rumors are true or not.
Close, but a few things you were wrong about. I have taken the liberty to correct your post, below:
Latest rumors are….
This is not the Nikon/Canon sensor of recent rumors
The
7ds and 7dr are Nikon made sensors specifically tuned for best
sharpness fidelity and highest noise, and this camera will have
quad-dual pixel
system.
This camera is specifically geared towards A nal and Leg photographers, not Foot photography. This camera is
intended to compete with 135 format, and will deliver the color in
fidelity and high noise that photographers currently turn to 4/3 to
provide.
Another camera..9d mark IVXXX is rumored to be coming out later in the year and will be geared more towards putrid smells.
221350.6mp effective resolution, 231253mp actual resolution. a
Barry, is this true?!
Close, but a few things you were wrong about. I have taken the liberty to correct your post, below:
Latest rumors are….
This is not the Nikon/Canon sensor of recent rumors
The 7ds and 7dr are Nikon made sensors specifically tuned for best sharpness fidelity and highest noise, and this camera will have quad-dual pixel
system.
This camera is specifically geared towards Anal and Leg photographers, not Foot photography. This camera is
intended to compete with 135 format, and will deliver the color in
fidelity and high noise that photographers currently turn to 4/3 to
provide.
Another camera..9d mark IVXXX is rumored to be coming out later in the year and will be geared more towards putrid smells.
221350.6mp effective resolution, 231253mp actual resolution.
Quite possibly your best prediction to date.
Tips hat.
“This camera is intended to compete with medium format, and will deliver the color fidelity and low noise that photographers currently turn to mf to provide.”
Replace “medium format” with “FF” and that’s the same BS olympus/FT/MFT crowd has been saying with every big release of their cameras.
When will people learn?
The same foolish crowd that thought they could replace film with digital or horses with automobiles..when will these people ever learn it cant be done.
This is about physics, Barry… something you have recurring issues with.
And to master this ” physics ” requires a clear understanding and strict adherence to the 4 elemental principles of Earth, Water, Fire and Air…any deviation from that path will doom one to failure and eternal damnation!!!!!
Yes… say random stuff like you were kidding all along.
OK you lost the argument, so what? It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. You must be addicted to making a fool of yourself.
Judging by your lack of wit, there’s no doubt that i must have pwned you somewhere sometime about something really off you’ve said and you’re just so eternally bitter about it. Guess what? You’re in the majority. Look me up if you’ve figured out how to use a search engine LOL
Its not random stuff…
Its primitive..cant do anything comments..just like yours.
Your attitude is nothing new can be done..I do not share that attitude and never will …that is why we will never agree on much of anyrhing.
My attitude is nothing new can be done? ROFL Barry how about you learn how to use a browser and see if what i have done is nothing new or not?
I’ve seen better useless replies from you before.
And how about that fool that thought the earth was round?
In the first place I thought my click has been hijacked and re-routed to the Canon Rumor page. 🙂
I think Canon is doing well with placing a high MP count camera. A lot of professionals have been demanding for. As ML’s are still not fully accepted as a pro’s only camera, it is also a good approach from that perspective.
Of course with 50MP it can be neither low light beast nor speed beast. But (into the high-MP- makes-no sense-fraction) – 50MP FF has a little lower pixel density than a 24MP APS-C.
For me it is a welcome competition. Hopefully Sony takes the challenge and reacts towards Canon.
It will be interesting to see how well it sells. Many are unsure to buy, because they hear mirrorless is the future, DSLRs are too big,… This cam will be expensive, too, probably 4000$. You need excellent lenses to make use of the sensor already wide open, before diffraction sets in beyond f5.6. Considering how many MP my D810 delivers, I don’t have any use for it. But it is a sign from Canon to show they are still in the game, imo.
For many Canon professionals it is still no need to go ML. And the fact that we still see Canon being conventional (->sticking to DSLR) proves that. And a Company that has a selling record of 100.000.000 lenses ww can both – not be pushed from the market throne easily, and dictate the market for a certain degree.
I would agree with you that the Ds will likely be priced 1/3 above the “normal” 5D3/4. But it is the same with the Canon users as with us Sony loyals owning a 5 digit lens assortment – we don’t change the brand and pay the price for the new body if it is worth for us.
Otus sales will go up?
when I bought my OTUS 85mm Zeiss told me, that I will get a wide angle OTUS this year 🙂
Which focal you know?
Based on Zeiss’ typical releases, I think the best bet would be on a 35mm f/1.4
Please I hope not- boring. WIDE…as in WIIIIIIIIIIIDE.
I was asking for a 24 or 25mm lens and he said, they will have something for me next year. No more info.
They will. Now give us the 12mm OTUS. Corners so sharp you forget the picture has a center.
I still wait to see the interesting A-mount stuff for the proline. I consider the CP+ stage the right place to anounce the A99II and the A99R .
Admin said no rumors for A99II at cp+.
hopefully they are just keeping things under wrap… i dont know how much longer i can wait…
you and me both man, been waiting for a while. Money in hand.
And this money is for Sony if only a A99II with proper specs is offered. And so we 3 who are waiting to pull the trigger . It’s time for Sony to show the offer on A-Mount
There are no more A-mount products to be made. All Sony cameras are E-mount from now on.
Not true at all. Two new A-mount lenses are coming this spring, and bodies are on the way as well.
If you think there’s no need for A-mount, try working with a 300mm F2.8 lens on an E-mount body, and it will be obvious. Even if they made a native 300mm E-mount lens, it would put too much strain on the lens mount.
Stop trolling. No A-mount anything is coming except maybe an LA-EA adapter or two. Sony announced they’re focusing on the E-mount.
Not true at all! Sony announced a new Zeiss 24-70 and 16-35 at the same time as the A7II. Both lenses are due this spring.
Those are CHEAP refreshes on existing lenses. They havent invested anything new in A-mount since the A77II, which was started over 14 months ago. It’s been a year since they’ve started work on anything truly new for A-mount.
Because this type of body as a longer refreshing cicle than only one year. Honestly which camera body has a refresh after only one year? The A7, and why? Consider this question.
Technology is increasing far faster than Sony’s “body refresh period”. They’re not keeping up.
Actually about 10 months ago lol not 14…
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If so they lose the share of the A-mount base and lose the canons as well add some new Fashion geeks , who like to show the latest gadged and that makes less customer base as before focusing on FE. I would reconsidering the idee to drop Amount only to use video lenses or migrate photography into a camcorder
Who is trolling, and why do you find any opportunity to claim that A-mount is dead? You are a low paid Troll for Canon or Nikon. There have been multiple announcements from Sony management stating that they are releasing new A mount lenses and New A mount bodies. Canikon is scared stiff. you scared bro 😉
Not what Sony says at all:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fspecial%2Fdcm_int_2014%2F20141225_681500.html%3Fref%3Drss&edit-text=
Those are CHEAP refreshes on existing lenses. They havent invested
anything new in A-mount since the A77II, which was started over 14
months ago. It’s been a year since they’ve started work on anything
truly new for A-mount. dr
LOL
Yeah.
Just what are you waiting for? You dont want more megapixels so what do you need a new camera for?
i have a couple A900’s that are ready to be upgraded. I’m not going to invest in a 2 year old A99 at this point. I would could possibly be ok with the A7 offerings if there was a better adapter for my A-mount lenses that gave me better AF, but i rather a nice A99II be released without 50+ MP. i shoot primarily weddings and i have no need or want for that type of resolution. i much rather have High ISO and DR and less MP then the other way around.
It doesn’t mean it’s not possible. If CP+ is a copy of Photokina why not simple air the Youtube video from Germany last year. ” We have planned some lenses and then may redo some other lenses and stuff. And if you are Pro the join the club …” BTW rumors are not statements
There will not be another A-mount camera released.
Not true either! Sony said new A-mount cameras are coming multiple times..
Knower is right. Davey is believing in dreams that have no basis in reality.
Then explain why Sony just released a new A-mount body less than a year ago, and has two new lenses coming out this Spring?
Why would they bother?
Those are CHEAP refreshes on existing lenses. They havent invested
anything new in A-mount since the A77II, which was started over 14
months ago. It’s been a year since they’ve started work on anything
truly new for A-mount. dr p
Yes, it is true.
Try mounting a 300mm F2.8 to an E-mount body. It’s a joke. The mount is not strong enough to support a long lens. It was never designed for professional photography which is why Sony is still supporting two systems.
Your problem is thinking every professional photographer needs a 300mm lens…
135 is practically the longest focal length I ever use.
Because you are an idiot.
And you’re a no name Internet troll. Cool. Nice to meet you.
You too, “RomanMF”. Nameless and brainless, but full of advice for poor us.
I offered you no advice, try harder.
Wow, someone should run over to the video forum and tell them this news…………. are you really this uninformed!
Read yourself:
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Seriously, dude? WTF.
I think it’s ABUNDANTLY clear that SONY is done with the A-mount.
When are you people going to pull your heads up out of the sand and wake up to the reality that A-mount is gone, and E-mount is the new Sony, whether you like it or not??
Whether you like it or not is irrlevant – Sony’s doing it regardless of your blessing.
That’s not true at all! Their releasing new A-mount glass that was announced a couple months back. Quit spreading false information!
LOL
Said the troll.
They never said such thing.
Read it again yourself:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-interview-at-dc-watch-says-no-interchangeable-medium-format-system-camera-to-come-yet-new-a-mount-stuff-will-come/
Have you tried to sports or wildlife with that A7? Works wonders huh? A77III is already slated for 2016. A99II is a given- ITS A GIVEN. It took 10 years for Minolta to stop production of the MD mount and we’re still using the freaking lenses 30 YEARS LATER. With mirrorless, you can never completely kill a mount. There are millions of A mount lenses floating out in the vast f’in sea of camera carnage we call the open market. “Dead bodies everywhere” doesn’t apply to A mount.
A77II is already out, bro.
He said A77III. Learn how to read!
Nope he edited it. Learn how to consider you dont know everything.
Not his fault, I caught it after I posted it….movin on…..:)
I added a 1…got a bit lazy.
“Have you tried to sports or wildlife with that A7?”
People use Canon and Nikon for that… not the crippled slack mirror hack job A mount with its half baked lens lineup.
E-mount will stop selling as soon everone as faced the tiny little compact FF grown to a full size SLR stile body and the trick to migrate Canon shooter has failed. Adapters are nice legacy glasses not an option for a $4k + System approach
Can you repeat that in English please…
Sure.
E-mount will stop selling as soon everone as faced the tiny little
compact FF grown to a full size SLR stile body and the trick to migrate
Canon shooter has failed. Adapters are nice legacy glasses not an option
for a $4k + System approach
You’re starting to sound like that Japanese soldier they found in the jungle that didn’t realize ww2 had ended decades ago. Sony is clearly shifting it’s focus to mirrorless. If you don’t agree with that strategy, that’s fine. Just move on to Canon or Nikon if you want an SLR. What exactly does Sony do better than the other two that prevents you from using their cameras? Even if they keep trickling out A mount cameras, it’s just to milk the blind few that don’t see the end is coming.
The shrinking pie keeps getting cut up into smaller pieces. If Canon and Nikon, Olympus or even Pentax try taking a stab at their own..seperate mount…FF mirror less we’re talking less and less profits all around. Too much competition and I expect more partnering in the future. At some point, Canon will probably be the last man standing with DSLR’s as we know it. Sony stopped making DSLR’s years ago. As far as Nikon, they need to learn how to get a camera to work first before trying out a real mirror less option.
Canon 5Ds (s=Sony)?
I think i need a new drug
Eat McDonalds. It will F you up.
Sony’s ‘Music Unlimited’ Service Shutting Down After Failing to Emerge as Viable iTunes Alternative http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/28/sony-music-unlimited-shut-down/
Maybe the administrator should spend less time writing about Canon and Nikon, and more time writing about Sony’s major problems. And how these problems could effect the consumer camera division.
They’ll survive. I mean, I’m sure they’re still cashing in on the walkman.
E X A C T L Y.
there are better websites to ‘discuss’ this. try iamnerd.com or tinfoilhat.com
Can someone help me please? I bought a sony A7R camera and couldnt figure out how to get the lens off so I just wiggled it until it came off, but now thin curved pieces of plastic fell out of the camera and it wont go back on and stay on. Any ideas?
I dont know bro, I just pull on mine till it comes off too. lol
Idiot.
I tried followign the manual but there was no button. So I just put the camera lens between my legs and used my hands to rock it back and forth until the lens came out. THen it wouldnt go back in. Stupid design if you ask me.
I usually send it to Sony service center to change lenses , It’s very risky
I just sent it in to the service center. Here’s hoping they can put it back together again.
You are both retarded. I sell the camera with the lens, by the time I’ve taken the lens off there’s a new model for me to buy anyway
Lol
Don’t give up your day job Anton.
I do just fine – I am director of cardiovascular surgery. Cameras are not my thing what can i say?
It shows……………
Ok I watched a youtube video on it and it looks like I had accidently mounted the wrong type of lens on it. I read that you could use Nikon lenses so I mounted a nikkor 50mm lens on it but i guess you need an adapter. That’s why it was so tight going on… i feel like an idiot.
I think i broke some plastic out of it. I’ll just sell it on Ebay if they cant fix it cheap at the service center.
Ok, first piece of advice. You must change your handle, there is already an Anton (Anton Berlin), who, unfortunately does nothing but post idiotic comments! So you got tarred with the same brush……
A new mount is available at B&H, four screws, easy swap!
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1086969-REG/fotodiox_fdx_tough_emount_the_tough_e_mount.html
The first A7R I had I unboxed and left a big thumb print on the sensor. I was clumbsy. And I tried to use windex to clean it off and used way too much and it short circuted. So I sold it on Ebay. Now this one with the stuck lens. What next?
you sold it on ebay? oh please be a good man and listed it as “for parts only” since it’s short circuited.
I just said it was kinda wonky. The buyer was a repair shop…so….
YOu should really talk. Someone who has bigfoot as an avatar.
hahahahaha
Jesus in your avatar is angry at the bs you spread. And you are starting to be arrogant, too. My my.
Try Butter! It works!
……………………seriously?
NO no no…you did it completely wrong. You don’t wiggle….you leave the lens on and CLICK. The shutter vibration will work the lens right off for you. No touchy touchy.
That doesnt make any sense. How would that work?
BTW, everyone, This all was a huge joke. NO, i’m not an idiot. 😉
How do you know you are not an idiot…if you were an idiot you might think you were not…
I do not know if you are an idiot or not and I am not accusing you of being one.
Everybody likes Canon … 🙂
Hey, it’s NWIMU. “NO WOMEN IN MY UNIVERSE!”
Why all the Trolling? Canon – Nikon scared stiff of Sony A-Mount or Pro level E-mount.
The state of rampant trolling is obvious but lets take a look at why. As it is now it’s obvious that Sony is a serious innovator with a quickly growing market share. The emount market clearly caters to the hobbyist /semi pro and A7’s selling like hotcakes getting the sony name out there. But there is a gap between serious pro / semi shooters the a7 just is too small and not ready for prime time.
It’s clear the Amount crowd is crying for more Amount bodies and some ready to jump ship for no real reason other than caving into rumors and negative speculation. (exact same scenario with the “sony full frame is dead” circa 2012.) That may change very soon with the a9 or a99ii, the trolls are disproven chicken little realizes the sky is not actually falling.
It’s especially important for Canon to scare away sony users before the same 50mp camera comes out for Sony (prob Emount first then A-mount late year). They have low paid troll called “turks” in the industry that work for literally pennies a post and sit all days posting their penny troll posts. The sad part is the system works and it’s really money very well spent. Sony users get shaken out of the tree and jump ship or else forego making a sony purchase.
It’s important to look at some of the posts from a subjective standpoint and ask why all this rash of strange posts. Look at the guy below me.. claimed to have pulled his sony camera apart by wiggling it then some plastic fell out of the camera. oh really anyone is that stupid? ,, Then another guy claims just this morning a nikon shooter came up to him and said “amount is dead” and took a photo of him for his amount is dead collage,, ?? I mean does this make any sense? They are Nikon and canon trolls trying to stirr it up.
Do yourself a favour and call this BS out when you see it and bring back sensible conversion and speculation.
Canon and Nikon both couldnt care less what Sony is doing. They control 80% of the market and always will. Canon could stamp a dog turd with it’s logo and togs would buy it.
I know of more professionals than hobbyists who were early adopters of the A7x cameras, mainly for video & multimedia as its the only FF option with an EVF.
Cinematographers and directors are going wild for the a7s alone; and it shows, #1 sold camera in the a7 line.
Pathetic. You “know of” means you “don’t personally know any”. And you never heard of live view, surely?
80% of a shrinking pie leaves you with mini pies. Mini pies are not preferred over full baked pies. Canikon have 80% of a half eaten slice of pie. No thanks.
But Sony has only little more than 10% of the shrinking pie 😉
Sony isn’t immune to the declining camera market, they too are keeping their market share in a rapidly contracting market.
But none of the other players have a larger market share of that shrinking pie, so they aren’t exactly doing well, either.
Ok, so maybe Canon has a full slice and a few half eaten bites on the side. Either way, the cool whip is dried out and the flies are starting to settle.
This is BS.
Called it! 🙂
I might have missed it. Did you mention the world “troll” in there somewhere?
“pro level e-mount”
LOL
Pro and Sony in the same sentence? You are a waste of space.
Haha I see I’ve stuck a vital nerve, now the low paid trolls are really angry once being exposed. Just yell and spit and get angry 🙂
I see your Jimmies have been quite thoroughly rustled good sir.
I get paid VERY well by [enter name here].
Thank you very much.
You’re wrong about one thing, at least. Sony does not have a quickly growing market share. Their share of the system camera market has been pretty constant for many years, just as Canon’s and Nikon’s. Their DSLR’s and SLT’s failed to steal market share from the Big Two, and lately A-mount sales have declined and been replaced by E-mount sales. But their total share of the system camera market is still around 10%.
Basically, all the companies are seeing declining sales at about the same rate, which means that they all keep their market shares in a shrinking market.
Hmmm I have a feeling though that when the 4th quarter sales reports start coming in, we will all see how much the a7 has penetrated the market.
side note: have seen multiple craigslist posts for selling d800 reason for selling: moved to sony a7 ? I wouldn’t do that but some people certainly are. the A7 is a game changer, although not really my cup of tea.
The market is shrinking for sure though as the golden days of 06′ -11′ , many of the casual shooter who ending up buying a digital rebel or similar see no need to upgrade.
Well, we will see how things play out, but at the moment things look pretty grim for all the camera manufacturers.
I’m not into market shares and economic stuff but I’m a private reseller and I can tell you that for sure a7 series is a hot seller.
many Canon and Nikon users are buying a7R as a second camera and some of them made the switch.
that’s from my personal experience
I cannot tell you, how many Canon and Nikon shooters stop me on the street, and ask about the a7 line. Honestly, Canon is in trouble.
Your pusher is in trouble…
Go to any canon site and read what half of the people there are saying. Leaving to sony land. Which is where you’re at now, hmm.
Why all the trolling about trolling. Guys, we have two camps here. A mount users who are taking pictures outside and FE mount users who still have the wrapping on their A7II’s. What I’m saying is, be happy you don’t have to shoot upside down to avoid that Nikon Sunset affect like a D750 owner. Be happy that the excitement of playing the lottery is much like shooting Sony. You could wake up rich tomorrow or find out you’re now living in a van down by the river. But, isn’t that exciting? Why, yes it is….yes it is.
Canon Troll ^
Really? Whos the troll here
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Yours is even more unrealer.
You missed the humor in that. However, I give you points for cutting and pasting. Now that is unreal.
Gotta wonder if this is Canon’s big 50MP mirrorless rumor and therefor NO mirrorless is forthcoming?
No wonder Canon Watch’s hits and activity are so low compared to other rumor sites. All the Canon people hang out here. Strange behavior
If you can’t beat em, join em…
Now CW reports that its a Canon made sensor. I hope Sony will have better ISO and DR, they might have a chance, because Canons 5ds is basically just a 5d3 with a different sensor. Boring stuff, nothing innovative. No inspiring features. Give A9 ibis, better evf, PDAF, good video features, better battery and lower price and you might attract many people.
And dont forget the lenses…
“No inspiring features”???
It’s something to put my Otus onto that doesn’t require wobbly adapters, new half life batteries and chargers, or trading a wonderful flash system for a microphone. Nothing inspiring about that at all.
Bubye toy emount!
A lot of sony users haven’t experienced the 600ex-rt, profoto b1 etc. Sony’s considered innovative but canon is innovative too. They just did the innovating years ago and sony still haven’t caught up on a lot of things
Each company is innovative in its own way. Canon has build a system, and now are just supporting it. Yes, a good flash system is one of the reasons why I still haven’t upgraded my A65 to A77II. The Minolta iISO was alright. The new MIHS is just plain trash from what I’ve read. But Canon and Nikon are still stuck with the tech of the 90’s. Whenever I pick up my brothers D7000, i feel like i’m holding an antiquated camera, and primary reason is OVF and no continuous live view. What can I say, i’ve been spoiled by SLT tech.
Sony try to make money using the eye catcher strategy .”what you get is what you see”.
A camera with close to perfect ergonomics for its porpose has no need to change it . What makes the difference is developed internaly sensor quality, evf, flash, menu and the ability that you can the shoot you want in the way you want.
No compromise or work around needed.
That is inspiring for an artist. In terms of ergonomics Sony as done no good job with A7 x. But compared to a 5Ds everbody can see the latest gadget in your hand. 🙂
Artists usually don’t get inspired by their tools. Something tells me you are more interested in the gear than in the art of photography.
Wow that’s a bit of an assumption…
What other people think of you say more about them than about you.
That’s true. I will use this. Thx.
I am an artist and I constantly get inspired by my tools.
Very strange. It’s like a painter being inspired by his brush, or an author being inspired by his pen.
Absolutely…a new brush, pen type of paint or anything that allows me to paint in a manor differrent than I could before will always inspire me to choose a subject to take advantage of my new tools.
Exploring a new medium always generates new solutions and techniques that would not have been created without them.
How can an artist NOT be inpired by hos tools…and how can a photographer NOT be inspired by his tools.
Authors getting inspired by their pens? Yeah if the audience can’t read it makes sense to use pretty colours LOL
But yes… new tools allow for new kinds of art… for those who think outside of the box.
Are you suggesting that pens are only for colouring, not writing? Ever heard of fountain pens, ballpoint pens or goose pens?
Let’s say that you want to take a picture of a distant tree. You have
several options: take a picture, move closer and then take a picture,
move farther away and then take a picture, move sideways and then take a
picture, or not take a picture at all (thereby working against your own
intentions) Change the perspective or not? That’s a choice you have to
make. The tree itself doesn’t move around, so there’s plenty of time to
think about your options. But let’s consider this: change the focal
length before taking the picture. This gives us the following options:
take a picture, zoom in and take a picture, zoom out and take a picture,
move closer and then take a picture, move closer and then zoom in and
take a picture, move closer and then zoom out and take a picture, move
farther away and then take a picture, move farther away and then zoom in
and take a picture, move farther away and then zoom out and take a
picture, move sideways and then take a picture, move sideways and then
zoom in and take a picture, move sideways and then zoom out and take a
picture, not take a picture at all (thereby working against your own
intentions). What to choose? This is a question only you, the
photographer, can answer for yourself.
I use primes
If you can’t catch it with a prime it’s not worth your time.
If you can’t shoot it with a prime, you’re not worthy of its time.
If you can’t zoom, you are doomed. LOL
If you cant do without zooms, stop cooking on spoons 🙂
Take off the lens, turn off “Release w/o Lens” and take a picture – is my choice 🙂
Who are these people posting nonsense comments like this? What’s the point?
Dude, get a blog. Mental masterbashun is rude.
FE 24-105/4
so…. any news on when A7Rii will be announced?
February my friend .. with a 50 MP sensor .. take it from my 6th sense with a cup of coffee and a chocolate bar
i certainly hope so.
i remember reading another rumour posted by the admin few days ago about sony not announcing a7rii until few months after cp+. i hope that’s not the case.
wanna bet ?
$50 on the table 😉
Feb. 50MP A7R II
haha, i hope you win the bet!
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Fully transferable shares do not necessarily mean freely tradable shares. Even if shares are transferable, they may not be tradable without restriction in public markets, but rather just transferable among limited groups of individuals or with the approval of the current share holders or of the corporation. Free tradability maximizes the liquidity of shareholdings and the ability of shareholders to diversify their investments. It also gives the firm maximal flexibility in raising capital. For these reasons, all jurisdictions provide for free tradability for at least one class of corporation. However, free tradability can also make it difficult to maintain negotiated arrangements for sharing control and participating in management. Consequently, all jurisdictions also provide mechanisms for restricting transferability. Sometimes this is done by means of a separate statute, while other jurisdictions simply provide for restraints on transferability as an option under a general corporation statute.
Wtf?
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Who are you talking to?
The canon chip might be of canon’s own design, yes? We still don’t know whether sony made it or not.
Chip is not the same as the sensor. The former is used to refer to the processor in this context.
A sensor is a chip. You are a waste of space. See?
See that last line about context? You must learn to read.
Oh dear, you are angry now. Why don’t you go out and take some pics?
You sound so butt hurt lol
Chip may refer to either the sensor or the processor. Both are chips. Just google ‘image sensor chip’, and you will see that sensors are often referred to as chips in technical articles.
I shall soon be quite dead at last in spite of all. Perhaps next month. Then it will be the month of April or of May. For the year is still young, a thousand little signs tell me so. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I shall survive Saint John the Baptist’s Day and even the Fourteenth of July, festival of freedom. Indeed I would not put it past me to pant on to the Transfiguration, not to speak of the Assumption. But I do not think so, I do not think I am wrong in saying that these rejoicings will take place in my absence this year. I have that feeling, I have had it now for some days, and I credit it. But in what does it differ from those that have abused me ever since I was born? No, that is the kind of bait I do not rise to any more, my need for prettiness is gone. I could die today, if I wished, merely by making a little effort, if I could wish, if I could make an effort. But it is just as well to let my self die quietly, without rushing things: Something must have changed. I will not weigh upon the balance any more, one way or the other. I shall be neutral and inert. No difficulty there.
Throes are the only trouble, I must be on my guard against throes. But I am less given to them now, since coming here. Of course I still have my little fits of impatience, from time to time. I must be on my guard against them, for the next fortnight or three weeks. Without exaggeration to be sure, quietly crying and laughing, without working myself up into a state. Yes, I shall be natural at last, I shall suffer more, then less, without drawing any conclusions, I shall pay less heed to myself, I shall be neither hot nor cold any more, I shall be tepid, I shall die tepid, without enthusiasm. I shall not watch myself die, that would spoil everything. Have I watched myself live? Have I ever complained? Then why rejoice now? I am content, necessarily, but not to the point of clapping my hands.
Very poetic. You must shoot fuji.
No it’s just copy and paste from low paid trolls, meant to disrupt. https://books.google.ca/books?id=3W-LkAVOYHMC&pg=PA693&lpg=PA693&dq=%22+I+shall+suffer+more,+then+less,+without+drawing+any+conclusions%22&source=bl&ots=6wZvx_JacN&sig=0AGr0keMd9o7Xy5wZ26S8c37GNs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6yvMVICcIsTtoASa4YGABg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22%20I%20shall%20suffer%20more%2C%20then%20less%2C%20without%20drawing%20any%20conclusions%22&f=false
Prone to conspiracy theories, are we?
nope it’s real bro. look into it, you are probably one of them. It’s actually fairly effective in the grand scheme of things. The saddest part is actually to low paid trolls themselves because spreading crap all day long actually attracts negative things in normal life. ps. why not post under discuss name?
Your mistake is assuming that we are low paid. You also have no idea about who is really paying us. It’s not who you think it is.
LOL, I heard you guys make only 7 – 10 cents per post,,a sad and impoverished life indeed. But I guess better than nothing in these tough times.
But think about this: we are present on practically every internet forum you can think of, not just camera forums. Our employer have vast ambitions. You just wait and see!
well you are just trying to trivialize it to make the concept seem nonsensical. It’s not a great conspiracy, it’s just commerce and marketing (or reverse marketing / smearing the competition and confusing potential consumers in this case). then there are the lonely fellows such as you self who clearly are not involved.
First you accuse me of being a paid troll, and now I’m clearly not involved? Make up your mind, you silly man!
well why don’t use a static name? You are a troll for sure, and for that I actually feel a little sorry for you.
Have a better day man, and remember life is still worth living. you will get a job soon enough if you stay positive 🙂 just be conscious of how you spend your energy, that stuff stays with you.
I have a job, so no problems there. 🙂
Rofl he meant you should register your name… not call yourself “static name”… with that level of intelligence you possibly can’t be employed
He is joking, don’t you get that?
Speaking of not getting it… go in front of a mirror 😉
Well, you failed to see that he used the name “Static name” jokingly, because he had been told to use a static name.
And you keep replying even after my last reply…
Five minutes is all it takes you. You obviously enjoy your own company……….
Do you not enjoy your own company? Do you hate yourself that much? Lol
He plays with himself a lot. I am glad I am not his keyboard, yewch.
but what I said about staying positive, really , look into it, you may just shrug it off online, “lulz I trolled them all”, but what’s after, in those quite moments alone. I feel your life must be incredibly empty and void of any control over your current circumstances to spend such energy on negative things, and have pleasure in doing it in an anonymous way. Time for heart felt life reflection man.
Thanks for the advice, but I’m fine. I can tell you’re a decent fellow, though, so have a nice day. 🙂
Who would pay anyone for posting that nonsense? What’s the purpose? These guys are just regular internet trolls, lonely people who are fishing for attention.
read two lines above, it’s meant to disrupt. cost employer about 7 cents.
Canon 5Ds – That’s Nikon terminology
Canon 5Ds R – That’s both Nikon and Sony terminology
This does not exactly boost the creadability of this Canon Watch rumour.
It’s Canon terminology too. Remember the 1Ds series, which was the studio/landscape cameras, as opposed to the 1D series, which was the photojournalist/sports cameras. Both seris were then combined in the 1D X.
1N RS, 1V HS, 1Ds..1Ds III, etc. … hello? 🙂
Exactly.
I admit that I’m the one who has been trolling here all along. I can’t help myself, it’s something that I just have to do, otherwise the cold, black water will rise up inside me, chilling me to the bone. It’s a sickness, a maggot gnawing its way through my brain. I need help!
Canon “forgot” to invest in a new chip architecture, and is stuck in 2009. Perhaps they are trying for something very big in the next 2-4 years(?) – but Sony makes the best sensors around today. It wouldn’t be crazy to A) Take the best sensors around away from Nikon B) Get better sensors.
Still – something making sense doesn’t mean it will happen.
Glad to hear it is not a Sony sensor…Keep Canon in catch up mode….
You forgot the other two possibilities in your most unbiased of logics… equals to or better than Sony ;P
If the sensor on the 7D2 is a yard stick of their current sensor tech…that would be a bit of a stretch….If they had a revolutionary jump in image quality…I doubt they would have wrapped it in a 4 year old body…
In your opinion, what is it about the body that needs to be changed for “revolutionary” image quality… the button layout? 🙂
Yes opinions are fairly common on forums…LOL.
So yes in my opinion it has the feeling of a reactionary product as opposed to a long term release….I know canon has the design language of an amoeba…But even so you would expect a little bit more than a badge change for a product that you would hope takes you back to the top of the pro-market. This camera is a make or break product for many commercial shooters who have been holding out with Canon for this very camera….To offer your new flag ship camera that looks identical to your long in the tooth 5D is a bit uninspiring…
Read my question again please…
And what flagship?
English not your first language eh…
It should be “English doesn’t seem to be…”
Learn it. Don’t shame it.
Sad boy becoming aggressive?
Say what you will about who is better but Canon has never been shy to make new sensors. There was a time when every new body in the mid/low range xxD/xxxD aps-c lines also had a newly developed Canon sensor in them. They’ve been looking in to a high res commercial sensor ever since the D800 came about… that plus their existing knowledge in high res proof of concept sensors could mostly mean the sensor in the 5dS is an inside job. They are also obsessed with video and tend to do that their own way… which also makes it more sensible for them to use their own sensor.
I love the way you seem to assume that Sony has not also continued to improve their High resolution sensors since the original 36MP sensor was released…
By “obsessed with video”…Are you referring to the the way in which Canon likes to hog tie their camera users into down specced technology?? Yeah I would call that obsessive as well…
Don’t bother replying to him. He’s obviously a paid shill.
Then why the heck do i use sony bodies? Are you not capable of using a webbrowser to follow some links?
Ever heard the saying “Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer”?
You must be keeping a chair close to you…
We need to work on our presentation and people skills a little me thinks! LOL 😉
Yeah he is.. He’s literally on every comment.
Can’t you read? Where did i say anything about which is better? I started off saying it’s not about which is better… sheesh.
No you didn’t…..Read your own post….Sheeesh…”Say what you will about who is better”
You do realise your are on a forum??…You make a one ended statement…it gets critiqued…
Nah you just can’t read. My post was not about which is beter.
…Better…
.. Canon ! 😉
Let’s make it easy: you are both worthless. OK?
Awwwww did mommy let you out?
Yer mom? Not yet…
Sony sensors are nice but until they build a reasonably durable camera I will choose Canon any day of the week. Bring on the 5Ds! Now back to your regular Sony fan boy drooling over nice cameras that cant take water, dust etc.
Drooling is a Canon user trait, not Sony. Yes, we know all Canon users believe the camera captures the shot no matter what POS sensor it has. That’s why any Canon landscape photog is bracketing five+ shots to make up for low DR.
Yikes…. You got him there lol.
If you want durable you shoot Pentax- end of story. Canon cameras feel like Tonka toys and they embody the word ugly. I wouldn’t even re-gift one to my own mother.
Bye,bye Nikon! Sayonara Nikon!
The first of the big who will dissapear on midterm vie (3-5 years)! Sony, Canon and Samsung are simply too big to fail ;)! Innovations and deeper pockets only chances to survive ……
and this actually is bad 🙂 cuz less competition means less innovation, higher prices, less gear and so on 🙂 some not so positive things to shoot with 🙂 or just to speak bullsihts about them online.. 🙂
You can’t kill Minolta. A mount will live on long after I am dead. LONG LIVE THE A900!!
+1 and the A77M2 is a very good camera when you need more reach at sporting events or shooting wild life. Both camera use the same A-mount lenses. So many to choose from!
Awhile ago a SAR article stated that Sony would be merging alpha and E mount. I think there is an a9 and an a7RII along with an a7SII… The a9 would be the rebranded a99II, while the a7 line will continue as a pro-ish line (though the a7s is dp’s wetdream save for external 4k). I say this as an E mount (a7 series) user.
Ah, yes, that makes sense, call the A99 successor A9.. Maybe it has a new LA-EA5 with better AF coverage and still can be taken out for newer e-mount lenses..?
Once again this is all speculation. If you look back the a99 has even been called the a9 on certain rumors.
This is all far fetched and Canon rumors will likely get a black eye with this one. None of it makes sense and absolutely no corroboration from other sources.
It might be a lesser mp sensor and Sony and Canon partnering on a unique sensor is a good idea. Canon needs to do something quick. Going from 20.4 mb to 50 on their cameras is a drastic change and those big of files are a pain to work with. The Canon users are nearly all for a Sony sensor in their cameras at this point.
your serving of crow is ready
Always wonder who need 36MP, let alone 50MP unless you are a pro photographers. I would rather has android OS and wifi in the camera so that i can install apps like facebook, photo editing software to upload photos.