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This is just a short rumor “name” correction:
1) The 4K LX camera is named LX100 and not LX1000 -> there was a zero too much from a trusted source 🙂
2) The GM2 final name is…GM5 🙂
The LX100 is coming early next week. The GM5 right before Photokina start.
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Panasonic is on the roll. I’m surprised there’s not much buzz about LX8. I’m really curious what it’ll bring to the table. I really like my LX5 (despite it’s glaringly obvious flaws in this day and age) and an updated version with EVF and 1 inch sensor would be very tempting.
Panasonic is killing it with very cool/interesting announcements.
LOVED the LX5… Didn’t think the LX7 was worth the upgrade… Went with an RX100 and never enjoyed it as much as the Panasonic. Smashed the RX100 on the ground a few months ago and I’ve been shopping a replacement… If the rumored LX8 is indeed weather sealed with an EFV, I’ll be first on that preorder list.
I had exactly the same experience!!! I still have the rx100, no accidents yet…but i really miss the aspect ratio selector and the great handling of the LX5, at least it was a compact camera with a soul. I moved to the rx100 thinking that detail and image quality were the main priorities but i was wrong. I’m holding my breath for the news on the LX line.
Yeah, I had the same feelings about LX7. I really hope the rumored 1-inch LX8 is true. It should make a great casual walk-around camera.
Weathersealed? I’ve heard nothing about it, and the Panny fz1000 wasn’t weathersealed despite going head to head with the weathersealed rx10, so I really, really doubt it.
I tried to love the LX7, but coming from M43 and FF I thought the image quality (especially dynamic range) was too terrible to live with).
I tried FF, but coming from Large Format Film I thought the image quality (especially dynamic range) was too terrible to live with.
Well – Something inbetween the GM1 and GX7 – GM5 sounds logic *g*
I just hope for in body stabilization, a good grip (LOVED the GF5 grip for example),
and also a good internal EVF – The GX7 EVF wasn´t my favorite (altough the tilting was nice).
I am pleased to hear this. I was actually a little concerned with the rumored LX1000 designation as it could easily be confused with the New Lumix Fz1000.
Now that we have the actual name of the NEW camera from Panasonic . . . Bring it ON! I am excited by the possibility and could definitely use an awesome “B” camera for my 4K video shooting.
yeah, now it will be confused with the RX100. Especially by Japanese speakers 😉
+100 on the (L/R)X100 remark 😉
I’m in the market for a smaller camera than the E-M5 as a second and take anywhere cam. The E-PL7 is a candidate it’ll be cheap here in Europe or the GM5, but I guess the latter will not be that cheap. The GM5 needs to bring more to the table than the current GM1. WiFi is a must, customers wants to see results right away these days, and built in is much more convenient than my current WiFi SD cards.
Choices, choices.
ha ha ha, i guess can change name to GX5 ,and i think use 5 likes Sony
5 is number of model reasonable price on much feature cam, that not top model (flagship)
So, if I understand this right Panasonic will soon release :
– LX100 = fixed zoom lens m4/3 sensor
– GM5 = GM1 update with EVF
– LX8 = LX7 update with 1 inch sensor
Not sure about LX100 having a m4/3 sensor . . . . yesterday’s rumor about this model seemed to suggest a 4/3 rather than a m4/3 sensor. Anyway the 4/3 sensor being larger, would almost require a “fixed” zoom lens.
4/3 and Micro 4/3 have the SAME sensor size!
My bad. Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding.
it’s going to have a “fixed” zoom lens.
4/3 and m4/3 have the same size…
It’s not yet clear if there will be two new LX cameras. The rumors about the LX8 may have been about the LX100 all along, and it was a misunderstanding that made it seem like there were two cameras coming.
And I don’t think the GM5 will replace the GM1, but rather sit between GM1 and GX7 in the line-up.
Ok.
My understanding was that LX100 was m4/3 sensor size and LX8 1inch.
Considering the big difference between them, how this could be misunderstood seems strange to me.
No LX8. The LX100 is the LX8, but they managed to keep quiet for the last few weeks since the change was made.
Camera companies have the worst naming schemes.
Numbers make no sense when there’s no sequence
they have psychological effect
Some car companies aren’t much better . . . consider Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, SRS, STS, STS-V, DTS, BLS, XLR, XLR-V, XTS, ATS, ELR, . . . . good grief . . . even the designers and marketing people can’t keep that much gobbledygook straight in their minds.
I would vote for a Panasonic GoldStar or Olympus Bonneville
“The GM5 right before Photokina start.”
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I think instead of “right before Photokina start” you should give a date like “around September 25th” or whatever is true, i don’t know when the photokina starts. (Of course i can search it.)
Then… search it. The rest of us don’t need our hands held.
Too bad. And instead of 4k video it will have a 0.4k video.
GM5? hummm! … they must have reserved GM2 or even another GM1 for professional GM? Interesting … and LX’100′ means these LX series want to pray RX100 line of cameras … Very nice ..Pana … go 4K.
No, GM2 is reserved for the successor to GM1. It’s obvious that the new GM5 is intended to sit above the GM1 in the line-up, not replacing it.
Something seems to be wrong with the various LX camera rumors.
The originally rumored LX8 will surely not have a 4/3 sensor if it has a fast f2-2.8 zoom lens, as the rumor says.
The now rumored LX100 may have a 4/3 sensor, but then it will not have a fast f2-2.8 zoom lens.
(Relatively) large 4/3 sensor + fast f2-2.8 zoom lens would be too large and heavy for a compact camera.
Could it be that the LX100 has a 4/3 sensor and a fast prime lens while the LX8 has a 1 inch sensor and an f2-2.8 zoom lens?
it’s all about the excitement
makes all sense yes
Yes, the earlier rumors suggested two cameras, the LX8 and a fixed-lens 4/3″ sensor camera. I didn’t get the impression that they were one and the same.
I still hope that there is an lx8 with 1″ sensor and fast short zoom like the previous models. It makes more sense and is more useful!
The original rumor had incorrectly assumed a 1″ sensor but was later updated to reflect this. The name LX8 was used as no one knew what the new name would be.
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-lx8-comes-with-same-1-inch-sensor-as-the-fz1000-specs-roundup/
“UPDATE: There was a miscomunictaion between a source and me. The new LX8 will not feature the same 1 inch sensor of the FZ1000!!!! It will be very “different”.”
Panasonic has extremely odd naming conventions. From all accounts, this camera sounds like it should have been called the GX8 instead of having two GMs in the current rotation.
Even if the GM5 gets an EVF and some extras, it’ll still be much smaller than a GX7. the GM is also defined by the special lenses that have a smaller diameter than most other m43 lenses (basically only covering the mount). I don’ t think Panasonic will throw this out of the window. This is the same case as the GX1 -> GX7. A big upgrade in terms of features.
Huh? There are GM-only lenses?
Yes, the kit lens have a smaller diameter to better fit the tiny body of the GM1. And there are other lenses in development. Since the lens mount is the same, you can of course use any m4/3 lens, but the edge of the lens will be outside the edge of the camera body.
But the mount size is no different. There are certainly plenty of other lenses which are pretty close to the same diameter, no?
Apparently, Panasonic thought it was necessary to make smaller lenses, because they made a pretty big deal about the kit lens being developed especially for the GM1, to get better balance and handling.
My fear is…
LX100 is a 4/3 sensor or 1″ sensor…
The lens is fast and short zoom or a poor slow 100mm equiv zoom
Is 4k or not
Is a mic input or not…
if a LX100 remember S100 lines of fuji i’m very happy.
If remember sony line… bad news 1″ sensor
I wish I knew what you are talking about.
So does he. Perhaps it’s an English translation issue.
I read it as: “if the LX100 resembles the cosmetic shape of the Fuji X100s?, he would be interested. If, on the other hand, it comes out looking like the Sony 6000 and such or Sony RX100 maybe not so thrilled.” I’m guessing.
I have no clue why he is disparaging the new 1″ sensor from Sony.
I wonder how they’ll try to differentiate a fixed zoom lens + m43 sensor camera (LX100) and an ultra small interchangable m43 cam (GM1/5). Will the LX100 not have an EVF? That would be a waste. If it does, and if the zoom is not too slow, it’s gonna be a difficult choice between LX100 and GM5.
Maybe the point is that whatever you prefer, fixed-lens or ILC, Panasonic has a camera for you.
What Stan said. Point and shoot and ILC are two completely different options – but if you consider size, it would no longer be the determining factor. Wanna “large sensor” in a small body? Ok. Now, do you prefer fixed lens or options? One could argue that folks wanting a PAS went GM1 because of sensor quality I guess. The 1″ sensor Pana got from Sony for the FZ1000 is supposedly pretty darn good. If they wanted to pair that with a more practical body size the LX1000 label seems fitting. Going m43 is a very interesting option and would put the camera less in the LX7 successor boat for me and more in the Nikon A Coolpix. Not to drag Nikon into it, but consider tech 1″ Nikon 1 series and then what they did in the A – a DX sensor in a PAS frame. That’s actually more impressive overall than an m43, but it’s the same idea. So, either way – a 1″ fixed lens compact or a m43 of the same is an interesting option for Pana and sets them further apart from Oly and much of the market. The rumor for both the LX??? And GM? Have me very curious.
Most likely ergonomics. The GM5 could be tiny.
Why all recent lumix cameras never follow with the numbers ?
GX1 to GX7
GM1 to GM5
LX7 to LX100
Hmm.. Likely mass Inprovements , another Game changer senario ?
They didn’t want the GX7 to seem like a more outdated model than GF6 and G6, and so chose a number that would clearly tell consumers that it’s a more advanced camera than the others.
See my theory about the GM5 above.
The LX100 is probably named so to emphasize that the sensor is significantly larger than the earlier LX models.
For me , GX7 is to compete against NEX 7 not really about GF6 & G6 .
The 7 is big thing in camera that time , before that is the X .
Now they play numbering leaping is big thing .
Please take note .
It is stupid to jump from GM1 to GM5 naming, it should have been GM2 if the rumor was correct. A better suited name can also be GM11, to leave the GHx naming for the pro line.
They probably are positioning the new GM inbetween the GM1 and the GX7, and therefore call it GM5 to emphasize that it’s closer to the latter camera in terms of features. The true successor to GM1 will probably be called GM2, if they ever make one.
sometimes there are superstitions that eliminate numbers in Japan 🙂 I agree GM2 makes more sense as it is not that much of an upgrade – EVF and small tweaks.
they went from GX1 to GX7 as they stated it was such a huge improvement –
I would want to see LX8 if it is a 1inch sensor but LX100 if it is a m43 sensor 🙂
Hmmm this is a strange rumor.
The logical thing to do would be for the LX successor to have an 1″ sensor. Only this way will be able to keep the lens fast!
A huge sensor but slow lens is nothing to brag about.
I think the rumor is false …. it still will have an 1″ from sony.
Also the LX100 name is too damn close to the RX100! It’s like its screaming “Buy me instead”!!!
Big sensor + slow lens can equal small sensor + fast lens.
It can – but in this case it’s unlikely. A constant f/2.8 lens would beat a faster f/2-2.8 lens on a 1″ sensor, but f/3.5-5.6 won’t.
Rumor doesn’t sound strange at all. Very large sensor with fast lens.
Panasonic LX100 fixed zoom 2.0-2.8 24-90mm lens camera with large Four Thirds sensor.
Buy me instead? More like no reason to buy an RX100 at that point.
M43 is not that much larger then a 1 inch sensor – and in a GX7 size body – is that not possible with a 24-70mm F2.0-2.8 ?? I agree that larger sensor and slower lens is not a way to go – like the old Sony RX100 – I got better results with my Fuji X20 zoomed –
Fuji X20 with 2/3rds sensor and F2.0-2.8 vs the Sony RX100 at F1.8-4.9 as the RX100 stopped down so quick to F4.9 and Fuji has no AA filter
LEAKS PLS!!! 😀
This is a very strange rumor indeed. I highly doubt it can be both 4/3 and fast lens. 1 inch still most likely. Loony tunes time: a 4/3 sensor at f3.5 compared to 3/3 sensor at f1.8 is a joke. The 4/3 sensor has about a 1-1/3 stop advantage over 1 inch, but that pig of a lens leaves you 2/3 of a stop behind because it extracts a 2-stop disadvantage. None of the fast primes are pancake size, nor is the fixed lens on the Canon G1X-ii. I don’t think there is any room between the G1X-ii and the RX-100 to improve upon at the moment. It would take a new sensor that nobody knows about, or a lens tweak that would cannibalize pen-style cameras.
I suspect a F2.8-4.0 24-90mm – that should fit a GX7 like size body – Sony is able to fit a 24-70mm F1.8-2.8 in a smaller body – of course I am hoping for a fast lens a F2.0-2.8 and 24-90mm lens –
So if there is only a F2.8-4.0 24-90mm lens then the Sony RX100m3 might be still a preferred choice –
Panasonic will be a clear winner with a M43 sensor and a F2.0-2.8 24-90mm lens although in a larger body then the RX100m3 –
The clear looser either way is the new Fuji X30 🙂
I think that Panasonic is better of with the 1 inch Sony sensor and a fast lens with a longer focal range then the RX100m3 and Touch LCD etc VS a M43 sensor and a slower lens – ( that is if they cannot make a 24-90mm fast lens with M43 )
Just do not understand – M43 is not a lot bigger then the 1 inch sensor – Sony was able to make a fast 24-70mm lens inside the small RX100m3 body – So why could Panasonic not make a 24-70mm fast lens like Sony with a larger body and m43 sensor –
Seems everyone is saying that it is impossible to make a 24-70mm F2.0-2.8 with a M43 sensor in a GX7 size body – that the lens would be so huge
I hope the GM5 will be the equivalent of a GX8. I personally do not see the draw of a GM1 sized camera with a lens mount. I feel that you will lose advantages in handling and possibly tech (IBIS, 4K processing, etc), by having such a small body. If it was a fixed lens camera – I would understand.
I hope not. I hope there’s a successor to the GX7, but it’d be pretty silly to kill off the GMx concept. If you want a bigger camera, there are a ton of options.
I don’t think there will since Panasonic made a remark that they are “rethinking” their GX lines.
I think if anything the GM5 name suggests it will not replace the GM1 or the GX7, but rather be closer to a GX1 size… Something in between. Which would be awesome. The gx7 was too big, basically same size as EM1 which outclassed it.
I can deal with it if it’s slightly smaller than a GX7. GX7 has the best feel of any micro thirds camera in my opinion – the OM1 is right behind it.
however it is now time to sell the GM1… before the GM5 announcment
If you’re a perennial camera hopper, sure.
Here is the line-up:
LX100 – with 4/3 sensor (there is no such thing as a m43 sensor), fixed lens zoom
LX8 – with 1″ sensor, more compact and a direct competitor to the RX100 series, fixed lens zoom
GM5 – ILC with 43 sensor and the successor to the GM1
With the LX100 having a big sensor and a zoomlens I very much doubt the LX8 will have a 1″ sensor. But I’d love to be proven wrong 🙂
We may never see the LX8.
But we will…its called the LX100. 🙂
The LX100 is the LX8. It was just assumed that the successor to the LX7 would be called LX8, but we now know that it won’t be. After all, the successor to the FZ200 wasn’t called FZ300, but FZ1000.
If GM5 is the name, it appears Panasonic is doing what they did with the GX7, a skip in the numbering to signify great leaps of improvements. And if that is the case, it’s no longer a want, it’s a need…. 🙂
This is rather confusing. LOL. Is the LX8 really coming? Latest rumor doesn’t even mention it anymore, right now I’m under the impression that the LX100 is actually what the LX8 was supposed to be but it has a 4/3 sensor.
I don’t even know what to grasp about the GM5, is it a GX7 with GM1-like design? I doubt it will be as compact as the GM1 and if this is really taking GX7’s place, I would rather have its ergonomics and feats instead of sacrificing it for a size and aesthetics.
In summary, it’s easier to simply wait a couple of days because speculate about it is pretty crazy right now since a lot of things don’t seem to add up.
My two cents is that Panasonic is kind of adjusting their names to the competition. Same way the GX7 was to go against the NEX-7, maybe the GM5 is about going against the A5100/A6000? The LX100 a mix about X100 and RX100?
Crazy? Confusing? Not at all…Panasonic LX100 fixed zoom lens camera with large Four Thirds sensor and 4K recording.
Given the significantly larger sensor, it will be a step above the RX100M3.
I am idly curious about Panasonic’s naming system. From the GM1 we leap to the GM5. Why? So that the GM series don’t sound it’s getting behind? We had the same leap for the GX series, as well. But then why GM5? Shouldn’t it make more sense to go straight to GM7? Then the GM and GX model lines could develop apace, and once the G7 and GF7 come out (if they do), all models except for the “pro” oriented GH series would have the same version numbers.
m43 fixed zoom ? That’s a bit crazy as it requires huge lens to offer anything close to F2.0.
Fine for an ILC system but too big for a compact camera. What we need is 1″ max – DR is pretty much the same while ISO is not lagging much (and is offset by a brighter lens).