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59 Responses
GM5 all the way!
In the camera dept. Olympus is a snooze fest (very dissappointing)….I just have never been impressed with Panasonic’s build quality and sensor rendering ( I owned a few, but switched over to Olympus)…I find Oly to be much better there. Perhaps the GH4 has that, but I am not into video and that is just waaaaaay to large for a MFT still camera for me. Defeats the purpose of the format.
I had (well, still have) the E-510 and found it to be one the nicest cameras I have ever used.
After the game changer EM5 it seems that Panasonic offers more bang for the buck. The GX7 is more powerful than I would have wished for (how often does something like this happen?) and the GH4 is seemingly produced 5000x / month, which is quite impressive.
Panasonic still seems to suffer a bit from rather poor perception as the poll shows. Combine this with the topic ‘build quality’ you have mentioned and one gets a bit of a contradiction: one of the reasons I opted for Panasonic was the excellent user feedback regarding quality (the magazine ‘Colorfoto’ ran an article on this and Pany was by all means #1 – ahead of all Hasselblad an all).
The bigger problem seems to be that two contender have to share a market. That makes life much more difficult than what (e.g.) Sony is experiencing (and is one of the reasons why top-of-the-line products are expensive).
Which is why I’m so hoping Panasonic enters the APS-C format with it’s Organic Sensor and Leaves M43 behind, or at least just run with 2 M43 cameras, GH/GM series.
Take the GX series to APS-C, Panasonic.
Do you only shoot JPEG? Which is fine, by the way. In my experience, the RAW files are indistinguishable.
No..no…I used to be a pro. I have a full on FF Kit that I am not giving up because MFT does not approach that. I use MFT to complement my FF. I sold my GX1 (last panny I owned…). I only shoot RAW. The Panny files were always cast, flat and lifeless (with less highlight) than the EM5. Many others felt the same way that I did about it..so that is not just my opinion… and moving forward.. I think that maybe the Panny’s RAW files are better now…but I have read that the build quality on say the GX7 is OK..but not great and the VF just is not nearly as good as my VF4’s.
..but even if the RAW files are closer now.. I am not going back. The IS, build, etc is keeping me right where I am! I think the format is GREAT for what it is.
I am hoping for a breakthru sensor sometime soon. That is the only thing that will get me to buy another MFT camera. My E-P5 and E-PL6 and VF-4’s give me all that the format has to offer for me. (I shoot stills only). Small and light with image qualtiy that is just as good as the GH4 and M1. (those bodies defeat what MFT is all about for me…too big).
GM5 looks very promising, but it all depends on the final features, size and price.
I vote for GM5 & Oly super fast lenses .
I really hope Oly can add more pressure on Pana’s optics department .
Go more F1.0 , no more anything above F1.7 . m4/3 need very very fast lens in order for nice defocusing effect .
Even the Nocticron , the defocusing effect still not enough .
Pana should learned from Oly , make the Nocticron 50mm instead of 42.5mm then surely it will have strong bokeh .
Look at the Oly 75mm = 150mm instead of 135mm in full frame .
Humbug
Humbug indeed.
If you can’t get shallow DOF with the present lenses already you missed a thing or to about photography.
That’s not to say we don’t want/need more fast lenses.
Not sure what you meant with the Oly 75mm part but when it comes to field of view, due to different sensor aspect ratios (3:2 vs 4:3) it depends whether you take one of the edges as a reference or the diagonal. If your point was about depth of field then forget this comment.
Is about bokeh .
A 85mm F1.2 lens in FF format easily produced nice defocusing effect , in APSCmos format , it still acceptable for a 85mm F1.2 lens but for m4/3 need to be in longer FL if aperature can’t go faster .
Can’t follow 42.5mm FL , make it 50mm F1.2 to at least produce bokeh closer to FF format .
The 75mm lens is a well done stuff cause the engineers think of defocusing effect , instead of 135mm FF lens , they make it longer for m4/3 in F1.8 to acheive such lovely bokeh effect .
Again. Ehhh? I have no problem obtaining great bokeh with my Noctricron.
Same aperture value gives identical depth of field no matter of focal length as long subject magnification is same.
Shorter or longer focal length will then only affect to angle of view.
The distance between focal plane and subject is relatively the ratio to subject proportions distances.
When you keep the same focal length/aperture, but switch to a narrower field of view (smaller format), you must move further away from your subject to achieve the same framing, in effect, reducing the amount of borkeh you get.
Sorry but your comment shows your an amateur.
For the record:
Every lens has bokeh and it has nothing to do with shalow DOF.
Bokeh is the quality of the out of focus area, not how much out of focus it is.
Ehh?? The Nocticron 42.5 has crazy awesome bokeh at f/1.2. The idea of 42.5 is have a traditional portrait lens at 85mm equivalence.
Keep in mine that f/1.0 = very expensive.
I don’t know what you mean with your Oly 75mm comment. The 35mm equivalence is 150mm.
One vote for “No longer constantly refreshing 43rumors for em-1 and gm5 news”.
Count me in + 1 vote for less adorama/BHphoto/Amazon/ebay useless hardlinks…
Voted for the Olympus firmware updates and the two Olympus Pro lenses, although I’m more excited about the 300/f4 than the 40-150/f2.8. The rumored teleconverter might change my opinion though.
Yeah, missed the 300/4 aswell, would place that in the three choices !
i admit, i’m curious about the GM5. It will be a nice camera.
But i already have an GX7 and plan to keep it for many year until news organic sensor.
so i voted GM5 but you should add “more organics sensors informations” in the poll.
oh you that wait for a long time,
i think no one release OrganicSensor both Panny and Fuji.
where did oyu get info?
Yes same for me .
Not just OrganicSensor but with GlobalShutter as well .
Isn’t it the GM2?
GM 5 could be great or could be dull depending on shape features etc, I like the EPL7 nice and simple the top dial is a good change though the rest is a bit dull, need to be upping the game with either a higher res sensor or a low light beast. I would be interested in some cool primes well have to wait and see.
If the GM5 follows recent Panasonic design cues (GM1 & GX7), it should be very nice indeed. Simple, strong lines, no frills or ornaments. I wish they’d get rid of the graphics from the face , though. And that script “L”? WTF is with that?
The EPL7 has a nice feature set, but Olympus seems to be stuck in fussy, gingerbread house design sensibility, adding unnecessary angles, lines, reveals, setbacks and trimmings.
“It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove.” Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Yeah, I painted over the branding on my GX1 with matte black nail polish. Not because I’m worried about “giving them free advertising” or for “stealthy street photography, but just because I think it looks nicer that way.
The script L in particular.
I use black electrical tape, so I can remove it for resale.
I suppose a Panasonic GM5 and Olympus 9mm bundle isn’t in the cards. 😉
That would be my pick.
But great cameras from Panny and great lenses from Oly makes for a strong Photokina for this system.
Canon appears to either be still asleep or well guarded.
Sony’s super expensive, all manual Zeiss glass isn’t going to put them into the mainstream.
And if Fuji doesn’t pull out an XPro, they’re going to disappoint the faithful.
The surprise may be Sammy, but I’m calling this show as an M43 win.
sammy will be a laugh with there NX mini and 1″ sensor. Why, oh why would hey leave their APS-C, and follow Nikon. Biggest mistake, because they had a good system.
What are you talking about? The NX mini doesn’t mean that the entire NX system will be abandoned. The NX3000 was released after the NX mini, and the NX300 and NX30 are still current models. And the pro-grade NX1 is coming. Samsung didn’t make a weather-sealed, fast zoom lens only to have people mount it with adapter on a tiny selfie camera.
GM5, new small 35-100 and that small vario X kit for the girlfriend, and 40-150mm f2.8 + TC x1.4 kit for me please…
GM5 for the girlfriend (+ me 😉 ), indeed! Buh bye GX1.
I’ll skip the 35-100mm, since I just bought her a 14-140mm II.
Dear Panasonic,
Please ship BLACK everywhere!
The mini 12-32 is great. I’m looking forward to seeing what the small 35-100 specs are. I do hope for a 46mm filter thread (dumb, but that’s what I’ve standardized on with my 17mm, plus step up rings for the 45 and 12-32).
And +1 for shipping in black!
GM5 sounds awesome. From 1 straight to 5… must be an incredible cam! 😀
Or by another brand of logic, not so big a jump as GX1 to GX7?
what? not so big jump??
9mm f1.8 is great news if true, especially if sharp wide open. Not very affordable, though!
That sounds great, but as knowing Olympus tradition to deliver objectives that are razor sharp at wide open, it isn’t bad if it would come to be Olympus worst Zuiko objective.
As long the price is between 350-450€ it will sell well.
Yes I would love to have it for astrophoto.
Possible Sony 50MP A99II. Oh, as far as Olympus is concerned nothing. But then again, I have no gripes about the gear I already have. I personally think they’ve nailed the small compact camera down already. Maybe a faster Zuiko 25 and 45 pro build lens- but that remains to be seen.
The 36 MP FF is already a rude wake up call for a lot of photographers. A 50 MP will be even worse, especially when it comes in a small camera body. It is only a matter of time before FF goes 50+ MP, but high resolution cameras aren’t a free lunch. In a lot of ways, a super high resolution camera is very limiting as a photographer.
A full line of faster “PRO” primes would be nice, but I’m not sure that would play nicely with Olympus’ current lens lineup price/strategy.
I have the lenses already to push the 36MP. I agree that 50 with these 35mm format lenses is pushing it. I have no interest beyond this without going medium format. Even then, for what I do I’d skip digital all together. Large format can give me that type of resolution for a fraction of the cost without the headaches of overheating, etc.
I think the 25mm and 45mm would play nicely. Give me something equivelant to the 75mm build. Premium 1.2 or .95’s under 1k. I really dislike the plastic but maybe that’s just me.
I was speaking more to technique and shutter vibrations. Get ready to do a lot of tripod work if you want to see the benefits of those MP.
I don’t see any AF .95’s coming anytime soon, but my MF .95’s are fun.
I think a WR (metal or plastic) 12mm, 17.5mm, 25mm, and 42.5mm update would be fantastic. All f/1.2-1.4. I’d buy the whole damn set.
Is that actually a rumor?
Isn’t Sony’s 50MP sensor a 44x33mm frame? That’s cropped as far as medium format goes, but it’s still 70% more area than a 135-format “full frame.” Unless Sony wants to create a whole new lens system (yet another one) that isn’t going to fly…
Wouldn’t guessed that E-M1 firmware really matters so much for so many….
False information clearly brings negativity for Olympus if they can’t bring enough updates to their camera than couple new art filters, small refresh update for filters and a magnification focus (?).
For those who have a em1 updates are welkome to an allready Nice camera, and for the fence sitters still going yes no maybe it could be a decision maker… Though I guess video… Go for a gh4 or a7 skip the em1.. If you are into stills well that is another story. Let’s see how happy I will be with my new em1 in an hour or 2 shooting running people lol…..
Don’t know how many knows that Olympus PEN cameras are used in many movies. Like Mad Max 4 and Secretariat.
I voted for : #1 E-M1 Firmware (Since I own one, and this will be free, this is a big deal to me)
#2 : Olympus “Superfast” primes. I’d love to see a 25mm f/1.2, 45mm f/1.2, 17mm f/1.4. All with snap focus, black metal build, weather sealing. Aperture rings would be nice but I probably wouldn’t use them.
#3 : 9mm f/1.8. This would be nice, especially if weather sealed. The same traits as above would be neat.
#4 (Can only vote for three) is the black 12mm. Bout time. Geez.
The 7-14 is a huge lust item, but if the price really will be close to $2000, then I can pretty much forget it. I don’t make money with photography, and even if I did, a 7-14 probably wouldn’t help me make more. My disposable income just isn’t that large 🙁
The 300mm f4. But…. I guess I’ll have to wait two more years.
Any word on what sigma might be bringing to micro 43s. I’m waiting for photokina to pull the trigger on the pan 15.
Probably objectives designed for small format and then converted to m4/3 with different mount.
But there is coming pretty wide variations between different objective manufacturers. Olympus, Panasonic, Kowa, Samyang, Sigma, Voigtländer….
What the m4/3 system needs is couple more objectives to cover 114-99° and then someone start doing couple with native mount that would cover 4.2-1.5°.
Sigma has good change on that range to bring serious stuff out.
How about a poll: “does anybody think we will EVER see Schneider Kreuznach MFT lenses?”
We have been hearing about them for 4 years yet no sign of one yet. Correct me if I’m mistaken
I’m excited about the 40-150mm F/2.8, Olympus OM-D E-M1 firmware update, and Olympus superfast prime lens. I hope that prime is a 42.5mm f/1.4 in full metal like the 75mm.
The poll shows how little enthusiasm there is for the pointless Olympus E-PL7 (3%, 180 Votes) . Olympus would do well to concentrate on the EM models and use the manufacturing capacity to make lenses. Announcing the ‘Pro’ 40-150 and then having to wait years for it is a joke. I swithched to EM1 months ago on the advice that the release was Q3 2014 and I’m now told Q1 2015 …. joke. How can you claim ‘Pro’ bodies with no system lenses !
Well, I wouldn’t say pointless. To a new buyer it represents more features for the same price. But for owners of recent m43 cameras, then yeah, maybe it is a little pointless.