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114 Responses
buying panasonic or olympus is like burning your money.. every 8 month a new model…
and by teh way for how long and how many models has olympus used the crappy 420dot display?
> every 8 month a new model…
Admit it: you are simply jealous!
He is right though, it’s ok with low-end models, but to have higher-end models losing value so quickly, it IS like burning money. This will end up making consumers not buying either brand until the price drops and that’s very unhealthy for business.
It’s the whole camera industry, not just Oly and Pany. No one pays full price for a camera anymore unless they need it within a few months of launch. Ask Sony, Fuji, Nikon…
Camera loses their value as time pass by, but all I’m saying is that if this $640 becomes the new price of GX7 across the board, this is too much of devalue. I’m not denying that cameras lose their value, it’s just that this is too soon and too much, just that.
Eh, Sony just cut 1/4 off the price of the RX10 thanks to competition from Panasonic’s FZ1000. These things happen. Consider any money spent on any piece of electronics to be a sunk cost.
But that’s a misleading comparison, the RX10 was overpriced from the get go, it’s different from the GX7. You are still missing the point, I’m far from saying it wouldn’t lose value, it’s just that it this is a trend due to the fact it’s discontinued, 30% for such a camera is too much. But that’s probably a late response for the A6000.
So it cost $600.00, does it make it LESS of a camera all of a sudden? Some things keep value, others don’t. Big whoop.
I brought this camera first day, with the $100.00 discount. Should I have chucked it, if there was a huge price drop? Last time I checked, it was a very good camera.
Fanboys have this weird ability to understand things in their own distorted way. I don’t even know what you talking about, as a hint I’ll let here, I never said anything about the GX7 becoming less of a camera, at all, actually, now it’s even more valuable of a camera. But this is the Internet and people don’t know how to read and make a proper text interprertation, there is this new skill of understanding things completely wrong no matter what, even if you explain 100 times.
I think it was probably just over-costed out of the gate. It looks like a sweet camera, but for $1000? At least in my life, a grand is still a lot of money . . .
But is it burning money if the camera is making money? I guess its burning money away if this is a hobby, but if your getting paid gigs then these are investments. All bodies go down in price. Glass is where its at.
The OMD series is high end and holds its value. Appears to be true for the GH series too.
Canon is still selling the T3 and is deeply discounted.
That being said unlike the DSLR, M43 isn’t a mature system. Oly & Panasonic need to get more consistent on their product offering (why is Oly releasing the PL6 in the UK just before they release the PL7?!).
eBay prices of used OM-D EM-5’s sell for $475… less 10%+ fees that comes to about $425. A year and a half ago a new body cost me $1000. That’s not what I call holding my value over 18 months.
I think the E-M5 is a bit of an odd case, though. Most of that price loss came after Olympus launched the E-M10, which is probably the best value in trickle-down-technology around. It’s as good or better in every way than the E-M5 except for weather sealing and maybe 1/2 stop worse IBIS for certain kinds of shooting. And it came with highly desirable features that aren’t available on the E-M5 like focus peaking.
The E-M5 had it’s day in the sun, but was no longer highly competitive in its price bracket. Olympus recognized that when they released the E-M10 that probably costs much less for them to manufacture.
I just think the price of the EM5 artificially held aloft a little too long to begin with. Just like the GX7. It simply started out artificially overpriced out of the gate (and I’m not the first person to say so).
As for the prices of the EM5 on eBay. I picked one up with the HLD6 for $600 (with a super low shutter count to boot), and have no complaints. Would Focus Peaking be nice, yes. Is it the end of the world to not have it, no. Would built-in WiFi be nice to have, maybe. Is it the end of the world not to have it, no.
I’ve had the opportunity to shoot with the EM10(friends), EM5(mine), and the EM1(friends), and frankly the EM5 still hasn’t much to envy on the EM10 (yes it’s a squintingly bit less expensive), but there’s no power grip(and no really GREAT grips for it for that matter). So the EM5’s only 1/2 stop better because of the IBIS(OMG, it’s the end of the world again!), big deal.
Folks who keep putting down the EM5 should GET A GRIP. Would I love to have an EM1? yes. Will I buy one when I’m able to afford one. Maybe. Or maybe I’ll wait until they update the EM1, because frankly even though I’m not a pro-shooter. I’ve yet to encounter circumstances that didn’t involve utter darkness that the EM5 wasn’t able to handle well.
Would I buy a GX7. Maybe if it were around $500. Over $600 for that body is still overpriced in my opinion. And yes, I’ve shot with a GX7(same friend with the EM1), and while it’s nice (moreso on video than photos), I haven’t found it that much better performing than the EM5 at all.
YMMV of course.
I wasn’t at all trying to put down the E-M5. It’s still a great camera. It’s just that the E-M10 is just as great a camera, and sells new for 30% less. That’s all I was saying.
I did a quick look and a new d5300 w/kit lens sells for $850 and a used unit on ebay is running around $450. I’m assuming the intro price of the d5200 was similar.
If a resale value of 53% compared to 45% in 18 months is important to you, then shop accordingly. For many, including me, features, accessories and initial cost are most important, not resale value if and when I eventually sell it.
Cost is important? Why don’t you get a compact then? Or a DSLR? They are cheaper than nano four thirds.
Or Nikon 1. Those sensors are minuscule!
Take another lap in the irony pool SD 🙂
You guys need to be less defensive, ok? I’m not saying that the whole Micro4/3 is scrumbling. This is about the GX7, isn’t it? I’m not talking about GH, OM-D, I’m talking about the subject of this article, the GX7. All I’m saying that the GX7 is a higher-end camera from Panasonic and that losing 30% of its value in less than 1 year, is too much and too soon.
Sure, it can be an isolated situation from just one eBay seller, than it will only become a point off the curve, but if it’s really becoming discontinued and the price drops in every retailer, all across the board, than there is no way you can say this is healthy for the business.
And what’s the point about saying that the value is in the glass or that it’s not losing money because you make money with it? It’s missing the whole point, this is not an issue of where is the value of if you can get your money back. It’s an issue because it’s unhealthy for business, if you know in less than 1-year a high-end camera will lose between 30~50% of its value, why would you buy the camera when it launches? The difference is too much to not have the patience but this can start a bad trend for the business stand point, that’s all I’m saying.
And although cameras lose their value, higher-end cameras take much longer and that’s an issue for the GX7, IF, again, IF this becomes a trend.
> You guys need to be less defensive, ok?
The whole “omg, it’s loses value” thing doesn’t make sense to me.
GX7 hasn’t lost its value. It’s price went down. Instead of being positive that now this cam is more affordable, you go about doom and gloom. As if all the GX7s bought before suddenly stopped making pictures.
(I am among those who bough GX7 for launch price – and I do not complain. Because the high price was actually its biggest weakness.)
Otherwise. Why I see nobody complaining that FF cams lost their value, when instead of forking $3000-5000, one can buy something for less than $2000?
I agree, Ronin. It does seem that people are too defensive over this kind of stuff.
Every company is trying to make sure that each new camera stays competitive. So when Sony comes out with a new model, Panasonic better have an answer for it quickly and vice versa.
The consumers benefit from this competition. We continually get new cameras that are pushing the envelope. If you want the latest tech, you better spend the cash at launch date. If you’re looking for a bargain, you’ll get it when the next model comes out and your model is outdated.
Get used to it.
Gosh, that’s what I told about defensive stance, misinterpreting everything.
First and last, I’m not complaining nor making a fuss about it, all I’m doing is stating the obvious, which is the fact that it’s not healthy for any business when a high-end product loses its value too quick, even more when there is no sign of the successor soon – which would be understandable.
As a consumer that wants to buy a GX7, I’m thrilled, why wouldn’t I be happy about a product that now it’s way more affordable? If I wasn’t waiting for more info about the GX8, I wouldn’t let that deal escape but as I’m trying to point out – in vain, it seems – it’s that I’m proving a different POV, a business POV but it looks like people are simply unable to separate their personal attatchment to try to understand it.
Morever, I said that it’s only true IF all retailers end up adopting it, not just a isolated eBay deal. Assuming that I’m complaining or anything like that is pretty stupid, if not, please explain to me, how a high-end product losing 30% of its listed value in less than a year is a healthy thing for any business, proven that, then whatever I said is really pointless.
But as I think about, this is a late response to the A6000. With Sony not launching an A7000 and packing the A6000 with some of the feats it would go on an A7000, the GX7, being older and supposedly made to compete with the NEX-7 and not that much better than the A6000 – even more now that Sony stepped up in the video quality of the A6000 and its AF – it’s understandable that now the GX7 has a similar price to the A6000.
> all I’m doing is stating the obvious
Repeating over and over the same thing in dozens comments is not “stating the obvious” – it is trolling.
Have to agree albeit reluctantly. 50% discount on price after just a year is not good. Digital cameras have high attrition, but I would consider at least 2 years before a top end model should lose its value.
Olympus OMD is one of the most stable investments in the camera market.
Do you know what are you talking about?
OM-D E-M5 down 50% in two years – better than some, but hardly an investment.
Investment? Only things with stable value are diamonds.
And one’s health. And family. And education.
Agree! These you mention fall into another cathegory, much more important than gear or money value.
If a new model every year brings substantial improvements, bring it on. Marry glass, date bodies. But the “discontinued “rumor seems false.
Not only Oly/Pana.
New XT1 soon after fews monthes the old xt1 was released, three A7 models within 8 monthes.
Except I use it to actually MAKE money, so how am I “burning” it exactly? Not to mention: I bought my GX7 6 months ago for $675, so it’s not like the price has moved that much.
It’s less than $700. At that price range they’re practically disposable cameras, to be honest.
And, man, this thing is crazy good for video. It’s really quite ridiculous the IQ and features for such a pittance.
I don’t get why GX7 should be discontinued now, barely 9 months after the first availaibility here. Is it selling that bad ? And, there’s no sign of discontinued deals in my country, prices keep starting at 850 euro for body only.
Probably GX8?
If true, this would seem to indicate the announcement of a replacement model, (GX8). I believe this is likely because the GX7 doesn’t include 4K video and it can’t be fixed by firmware updates.
If the GX7 were the only camera in Panasonic’s line-up not to offer 4K video it’s sales would likely decrease anyway. Just a guess.
Market indicates: This rumor is not correct. http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/AddWatchedProduct/4117313.html
The GX7 being discontinued so early is kind of weird. It’s way too soon, as far as I know, it’s not selling badly and there are no rumors about a possible GX8. Latest rumors are all about the LX8 and the new Micro4/3 fixed lens compact. Is Panasonic coming with a new plan? So far it’s not making much sense, maybe there will be something about it in the LX8 announcement. Panasonic seems to be going full force into 4K, hopefully this will be translated into the next GX camera, well, maybe not 4K, but I’d love to have at least the same 50mbps IPB codec as the GH3 with this hybrid IS – or at least IBIS on video. How much video feats the GX8 can have without disturbing the GH4?
Except it is not discontinued.
How do you know? ‘Discontinued’ means that the model is no longer produced, which could very well be the case. Maybe Panasonic overestimated demand, and now have so many units in stock that they figure they don’t need to produce any more of them.
Because this “discontinued” notice appeared on some seller for a few minutes and then disappeared, and it is the only source of this information.
Well, they just start with ridiculously high prices and lower it in a few months just to make stupid people think they got a great deal. Same with everything, be it electronics, fashion or what have you. And it does work very well.
I too don’t buy the GX7 discontinued rumor but still surprising to see this current body price as low as that of the GM1! Note the GM1 probably a lot less cost to manufacture minus the EVF, IBIS, swing LCD, and smaller shutter yet sales probably more than double that of GX7 which faced stiff competition from Sony with cheaper similar models. If Pany is discontinuing the GX7 series then my guess is they will be combining the GX and G series into one camera more like the recent patent model with less bulky EVF in the middle and maybe swivel rear screen?
This might only make sense if Pany has somehow managed to produce a smaller model than GX7 but with similar capabilities as rumored for one of the coming models? Obviously size does matter.
Why do you say GX7 sales were double that of the GM1?
He said the opposite, actually. Doesn’t matter though, because he’s just guessing.
I am basing that statement on the fact that according to latest sales rankings in Japan DSLRphoto.com, the GM1 has 3 models in the top 80 cameras (#48,#69, # 79) while the GX7 has none. So to be conservative I have understated the margin in that market as likely closer to 4X.
Difficult to gauge in other markets like US and UK as few figures given anywhere for comparison as no m43 compacts listed in top 100 cameras, and Amazon figures included only their own fire sales. Note the Asian camera market is bigger than any other market.
So you’re basing worldwide sales for a camera, with sales ranking from Japan?
You lost me…
No, according to him only Japs buy cameras
Please change your ID as Yun is my ID for many years in this forum .
Admin should do something about this .
Oh, I get it… in your world discontinued means grey market
My wishlist would be for a streamlining of the m43 cameras from both Panasonic and Olympus. I’m considering an upgrade to my EPM1 and possibly switching from my EM5 but there’s no clear upgrade path that appeals to me. What I want are the features of an EP model in a camera the size of an EPL, with built-in EVF and optional removable handgrip accessory.
This is what I currently have with the Nikon V1 and I love the modular concept — it can be big when I want to take photos seriously, but sleek when I want to just slip it in a pocket for a night out. I wish I had a Pen like that, then I could just have one camera to contend with (it would replace the EM5, EPM1 AND V1).
If it has to be the size of an EP, then make it weathersealed. I support the call to have simply two Pen models, a Lite and a Pro. But make the distinction clearer than it is currently between the EPL5 and the EP5. Similarly with the OMD line — just a Lite (the EM10) and a Pro (EM1). Although an entry level Pro model would also be nice (the EM5 is now just neither her nor there, to me).
Panasonic has better model line definition to me. I know which model to get if I need a Panasonic. But I see Panasonic more for video, and would prefer an Olympus for photos. Since I started out with the E-1 years ago, I am just used to the Olympus “look”.
” I’m considering an upgrade to my EPM1 and possibly switching from my EM5 but there’s no clear upgrade path that appeals to me. What I want are the features of an EP model in a camera the size of an EPL, with built-in EVF and optional removable handgrip accessory.”
E-M10 appears to be what you want. But it is not really an upgrade for E-M5. E-M5 mk II, whatever it is called, probably will be. I guess in a couple of months, 24 mpix, OSPDAF. Not as small as E-PL with EVF (i.e. E-M10).
Maybe he just really needs the 1/8000 shutter speed from the EP-5? Other than that, I have no idea what type of upgrade he is looking for in terms of the EP.
“What I want are the features of an EP model in a camera the size of an EPL, with built-in EVF and optional removable handgrip accessory.”
I think what a lot of people want is an EP6 with built-in EVF. Wonder why Olympus still thinks that’s not a good idea.
E-M10.
Is there better way to sell these? EPL1 and EPm1 are probably still available new. Discontinued does not mean they disappear. They never do even though there are newer and newer models every other month. 🙂
(This appears to be case with all the mirrorless cams not just the m43rds)
No disrespect to ebay seller “bingvalueinc”, but when B&H and Adorama (ie legitimate US sellers) show some indication that this model is on the outs I will start to believe this odd posts at 43 rumors.
Did you even look at the eBay listings? The seller didn’t claim it was discontinued; it’s just a normal listing for a new camera. It’s this site that’s claiming it’s discontinued.
Sure did. You just misunderstood my comment. No disrespect to the eBay seller but 43rumors is dumb as sh:t to use their listing as an indicator.
You’re correct.
I believe the price drop is to make it comparable to the Sony A6000 which is what the GX7 is pitted against.
only the A6000 has a bigger and infinitely better sensor. The user interface in the GX7 is preferable but the images that come out of the A6000 leave Panasonics in the dust, and not just because they are larger. The new sony sensors are amazing. The old Panasonics are not.
The sensor in GX7 is not that old. Since then 1/2EV is “infinitely”? You’ll not even notice the difference is EXIF is taken out and both downsized to the same size.
Have you ever actually shot with a Sony E Mount camera? Sensors are good, but it’s apparently difficult to make good lenses in that mount. Very few of the lenses resolve the full sensor and the corner performance is usually poor. I don’t know if you actually take pictures or not, but the lens often has a much greater influence on perceived IQ, than the sensor. Plus, you seem to be forgetting the advantages of in camera stabilization.
You really have no clue, have you. Shoot some Panasonic and then talk, or take your Sony promo somewhere else, dude.
You’re Stupid.
Leave him alone guys…..he’s a troll….no use advicing him anything
Watch the losers go off now…
GX7 is fantastic camera but was priced a bit high at first and A6000 priced aggressively so GX7 has to come down. I can’t see a GX8 yet apart from better video codec and a few tweaks IBIS in video maybe there is not much missing? Today I can buy a GX7 body for quite a bit less than A6000 body (about £90) tempting! but LX8 will I think be more tempting.
Hold your horses!
This seller is not representative. Look at the negative reviews: grey market cameras, used when they said they were new, asian manuals, problems with getting money back…
This is probably a gray market camera from a kit (with the lens sold separately), from a not very reputable seller. The price is not representative for the price of the GX7 on the market.
Admin, We know how to use ebay, there is no need to flood the site with every ebay seller on earth to try to get some more royalties. Especially if they don’t have a good reputation.
That’s what the 43Rumors Admin would call a “top notch trusted seller”
This blog was fun when I first became an enthusiast, but has turned into an absolute joke.
Start up your own blog then and stop bitching like a little girl. There is too much negativity, you have become part of the problem instead of an addition. Check your last five posts and tell me if they have appealed to your own sense of fun.
You can download your own Manual that’s hardly a gripe. Cameras bought on the gray market can save you up to $500 and even more Just like we all know how to use ebay we also know the risks it is up to each individual to balance risk with savings. Am I right?
No, you’re wrong. Admin is presenting this ebay sale as a market indicator of this camera model. It’s beyond ridiculous.
And yes, I am appealing to my own sense of fun. Being “right” on the internet is satisfying.
LOL you are now claiming satisfaction from this blog.
As for being right and me being wrong I am not quite sure what you think you are right about and I am wrong about but hey, you need that I guess, have fun with it it’s all good.
Who cares about this ebay seller. I can get one of these under my local bridge from a crack head that robbed someone for $100. It even comes with a crack head warranty.
That would make you “an accessory” to the crime. Receiving stolen property.
I’m not so sure about the wisdom of encouraging desperate people to steal cameras to feed their habit. Next time you are out ditty-boppin’ with your favorite camera, you might just become the next “Cracked Head”.
Are you kidding me…you really thought I was being serious?? I was joking.
I can walk 5 mins down the road into the big UK store called Currys and buy a brand new Panasonic G5 tomorrow if I like. The price will be ridiculous compared to what you can get on ebay, but my point is that these cameras are still available new from stores long after panasonic stop making them.
By putting “discontinued” it at least generates some comments as this site is really going down hill with all the affiliate links on here. Should be called affiliaterumors!!
The GX7 would be attractive at $500.00 it;s been avail for $6+ for months. The game changer is that it looks like Sony is going to be supplying sensors to Panasonic. You put a Sony Sensor and an audio jack in that camera and THEN Panasonic has got my attention.
The current Sony M4/3 sensors (E-M5, PENs) are basically exactly a wash in terms of image quality with the current Panasonic (GX7, GH4, E-M1) sensors. Not sure how that’s a game changer.
You need to pardon him. He doesn’t even know why the GH4 is called a game changer.
Sony sensors: they blew m43 out of the water back in the 10MP – 12MP days. GX7, GH4 and current OM-Ds are competitive. The times when ISO 400 posed a problem are over.
What could still push me in the Sony direction are 24 MP on APS-C (thinking of portrait photography). Since I only care for primes the entire package would not be much bigger / heavier than my m43 kit. I do, however, not like the too simple handling of the A6000. Where is that 2nd wheel?
Admin promissed some bits about Photokina announcements soon. Maybe this ‘discontinued’ indication has to do with it (4K GX8??).
Can you read, or is it Selective Reading Disorder that you have? How is it Discontinued, when it’s coming from a eBay seller and not someone like B&H or Adorama?
What a joke this site has become.
Wow.. too much anger inside my friend… chill. Just guessing due to admin insistence on that subject, and I suppose he knows more than you. But according to Giulio S. it’s not discontinued indeed.
How many times does this have to be written? It wasn’t from the ebay seller – that post said nothing about discontinuation. The discontinued rumors come from this site.
Hope there is an update on the way like a GX8 – weather sealed, better EVF – sturdier dials – mic input – 5 axis IBIS – IBIS for video – same body, so basically what they did with the GH3 to GH4 – just made it better but no change to looks and menu etc
I would by a GX7 if for the fact I have two already – so I am excited to see how they will improve the GX7
I am excited to see the next iteration too. But without a breakthrough in sensor tech the Gx8 is likely to be a slight refinement with near identical IQ …I am putting my $ toward a 12-35 f2.8 instead.
That 20mm 1.7 is a great lens but, when you look at its construction, it just looks pretty damn simple to manufacture. Because of that, I’ve always felt this, and many other prime lenses (I’m looking at you Oly 17 and Leica/Panny 15) are just overpriced. This lens should have been no more than $300 to start with. Yes it is compact, but it also requires much less overall material to make. Much as I dislike Canon’s EOS-M system, they were able to produce a solid prime lens for a VERY affordable price.
The high price would explain the low sales of the 20/1.7 😉
R&D costs but tbh, after all this time, price should have dropped.
Don’t really understand meaning of discontinued when warranty still valid .
It really doesn’t matter to me but the next GX should be huge improvement ( organic sensor ) over the very well done GX7 otherwise no upgrade .
The Pana method is to build high end cameras like GX7 & GM1 which I appreciate very much & Sony & the rest aware they can’t compete in design & compactness so they counter with lowering the prices , A6000 & EOS hit the sales of GX7 .
I am not particularly impressed with the A6000’s usability: no touch screen, few direct controls – how is one supposed to shoot a picture? Using an app?
The interior of the cam is excellent, though (great sensor, high FPS, impressive technical specs).
The downgraded EVF is also unusual
How do you even take a picture without a touchscreen?? LOL.
I think it is too soon to change the model. Why don’t they find manufacturing efficiencies and lower the price before jumping so they are not competing with themselves. Maybe the sales were too low. I thought it could have been priced like E-M10.
@ Admin: do you at least have some indication that your ‘discontinued’ assertion is correct? If no, consider dropping the expression ‘discontinued’.
More importantly: very nice camera. Great form factor, sufficient direct controls (incl. separate wheels for A and S), probably the best touch screen implementation I have ever seen, tiltable flash, very fast X-Sync, splendid AF, large lens and accessoires eco system …
Not great: GPS using smartphone (convoluted process), lack of IBIS in video mode may be an issue if one already owns non-stabilized lenses (there is always the recommendable 14 – 140mm, of course).
Last time I bought an as convincing camera was approx. 2005 (Olympus E-510).
What’s wrong with the admin?…….Even we ordinary people having ‘no’ trusted sources believe that GX7 is not discountinued
Everyone is pretty quick to make up their minds without looking at all the evidence.
I’d like to point out that the GX7 was announced on Aug. 1st last year.
We are quickly approaching that date this year. Also the admin has many insider contacts, and has to play by their rules, when posting info. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens….
Which particular ‘evidence’ are you referring to? The original m43rumours announcement? This one:
“The Australian store Discountcameras marked the Panasonic GX7 as “officially” discontinued”.
It seems that they have removed the word in question. If they had been notified by Pany they could have simply removed the product from their page.
The GX7 is simply not competitive with the A6000 even at $600. The usual price for an A6000 body is $648 and that occasionally drops to $598. And it’s not only price: the APS-C sensor on the A6000 has 50% more pixels and a larger area, leading to better focusing speed and high-ISO performance and the possibility of more cropping in post-processing. The number and diversity of E-mount lenses, and perhaps their quality, are not as great as for M4/3. But I use Leica, Voigtlander and Olympus OM lenses with adapters in aperture-priority mode anyway (just as I would with a Leica M6) so the lenses aren’t an issue. Now that sensor production technology has evolved so that larger high-pixel sensors are available at reasonable cost, for these reasons, me it’s time to switch to APS-C. (Also, my full-frame wide-angles will be more wide-angle than they were on MFT.)
OK then switch….why are you still on this site?
You forgot about BOOOKKKKEEEEHHHHH…..It’s the most important stuff to FF users
“Your” Leica M6 has aperture priority mode. Uhuh. Man, you are so full of crap.
They haven’t got it yet, the D3200 goes for 400 tops, and it is a way better camera. I am amazed at the greed, when it hits the grey cells.
Yeah, those freaking ceos are driving two companies against the wall. It does not really matter, I use Canon and Nikon, so proper stuff then, no toys.
It’s called marketing…..Canon and Nikon are experts in it
Good for them, they make profits and make the better products. Neither can be said for our uber-greedy tiny-sensored plastic toy makers.
oh crap, a troll!…….I’m off
How’s the new d*ldo, Tom?
You are too smart for nano four turds…