The full E-Pl7 manual have been already leaked long time ago. And now it seems the camera is finally going to be announced within the next few days! The E-Pl7 has exactly the same E-M10 specs with the only difference being the “missing” integrated EVF and come changes on the button layout.
via Photorumors.
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an E-Pl with IBIS? wow
??? All PENs have IBIS!
He meant to say “useful IBIS,” I think.
Well, this is true…
I meant the video ibis like omd series & E-P5 have..
It won’t have 5 axis IBIS like the E-M1 or E-P5
Still,l it will be a lot better than what’s on the E-PL6 and 7.
Olympus will never surpass Panasonic for video so If you are focused more on video or even a balance between video and Photography and are not invested in either brand yetI would advise you to go Panasonic.
I just based my comment on this:
” The E-Pl7 has exactly the same E-M10 specs with the only difference being the “missing” integrated EVF”
and for me, I dont need the compatibilty videospecs, I just need a good video with stabilizer, with my preferred lenses, which was 45mm f/1.8. I shoot video handheld, thats why I think that the Olympus has a benefit here as it works with any lens. Now I am about to use a Sony A7 , and I already feel it will be a step back here regarding to freedom in choice of lens when you need OIS. Panasonic is still busy with trying IBIS , but sofar for stills only. So either them or or Oly will come with the most flexible and compact video machine. For me, I see the OMD’s plus the Pen E-P5 as the most practical choices(when it comes to hybrid use )
Durrr…
I’ll just keep my E-PL6. Thanks. The image results will be just as good.
Until there is a major sensor innovation I personally see no reason to “upgrade”?
I do really like and use my E-P5 and E-PL6 all the time. Great little cameras!
Don’t you miss the new 89 focusing points in EPL7 ?
Support the PENs like I support the GX otherwise it’ll gone forever .
This isn’t the point of this camera. Do you automatically sell your 2014 Toyota whenever the 2015 version comes out? Are the major upgrades in car models every year?
Of course! You are just stating the bleeding obvious.
Look, the E-PL line is really to entice new customers to the M43 system and this camera will do that.
It is not really aimed at existing pen users such as yourself. You want a better camera take a chance on a second hand E-P5 because it is an unbelievably under rated camera.
OR wait for the new sensor but I warn you, we will be shelling out big time come that day.
Q is what will be the price differrence E-M10 vs E-PL7
Not impressed. Not only are there no significant upgrades in this camera there are very few minor ones. I suppose wifi is nice, if not a couple years overdue. Lots of yawns from Olympus these days.
E-M1 was just 10 months ago
E-P1 was 5 years ago.
Show some patience Olympus are probably gearing up for the next sensor leap they wanna get it right and there are a lot of things to improve on over the current offerings.
I have a hunch the E-M5 successor is gonna be something major.
The current E-M5 began the first OMD generation, maybe the E-M5 II will introduce the second? New or enhanced features? A little downside is the absence of dramaticly better image sensor than the present one.
18MP in m43 is quite enough with current sensor tech. They need to spend more R&D milking dynamic range and coming up with noise suppresion technologies that don’t smear details.
I dunno, You are probably right but I would hope it would be 20 considering it could be another 2-3 years before they upgrade the sensor again. More digital zoom when there is no other choice would be handy.
But honestly and truly I’m happy with the sensor in my E-P5 It just does what I want it to do it doesn’t seem particularly noisy so I think The E-M5 successor will have to do a whole lot more and I am looking forward to seeing what it is.
What do you know about tech? Did you make 5th grade yet?
I’ve had it with Olympus. I’m switching to Panasonic from now on.
Bye
Er because of what?
Tim …that was MrAllCraps using my name…It was not I…The guy is a loser.
How does he know your password?
Create new but not needed gmail account, sign in as guest – done!
That was me (Nsowon) as an examplle – Admin should get a username checker to disallow already registered names.
LOL that was nicely done. There seem to be a lot of full time trolls about
THIS is THE camera for me…I can finally jettison my Panacrapics! YEAH!
Does this mean it will have 3-axis IBIS instead of 2-axis IBIS?
Ok, so basically the price difference should equal the perceived value of the EVF. How much more are folks willing to pay for that, and how badly sites Olympus want to move product of the E-PL line? With the E-M10 body retailing at $699, anything more than $499 for the E-PL7 will be a hard stretch. If Olympus is serious about moving product, especially with the PEN mini line seemingly discontinued, they will cut the price of the PEN lite to $399, body only.
I’m still wondering why after all these years they can’t make their flip out lcd a little thinner?
it’s ridiculous how fat it is.
Any rumors on the dimensions? Is it E-PL5 sized or closer to the E-M10?
I’m surprised that you haven’t picked up on the rumor that Olympus will not be bringing future Pens to the US and European markets. Especially given that this apparently started due to something an Olympus executive in Japan said.
If true, that makes the E-PL7 launch a little different.
Is there a link or a source for that rumor?
Not unless you have a Bloomberg Terminal account.
Great first camera/Pen? YES
Must upgrade/enthusiast dream? NO
With Olympus reportedly “rethinking” the PEN line, this and the expanded release of the EPL6 to the UK seem like bad timing.
Lots of people are hoping to see a new model this summer or at Photokina in September. I hope that this doesn’t mean that the new line is not close at hand, but it would seem pretty confusing to have new models of the old style hitting at the same time…
Hopefully that Digital Trip/X100s style camera will usher in a new approach and will be followed by a new ILC line, just like Fuji did with the X100, then XPro, then the XE
It’s perfect timing IMO It puts all their ducks in a row for when they upgrade the sensor.
I badly wanna see the Trip also.
I don’t understand why they’ve gone back to this model line. The E-P5 represented a zenith for PENs in terms of handling and design, so why de-evolve it. Really no need to have numerous PEN lines and the OM-Ds too.
I’m with you. I love my EP5 too — the styling, the build quality and the handling are all fantastic. All that is missing for me on that camera is weather sealing and a built in left side EVF — I really find the separate, hot shoe mounted VF inconvenient, hate losing the shoe, and prefer left side placement (although the quality is excellent).
But for some buyers, the VF doesn’t matter, and they prefer a less expensive, smaller, lighter camera. Olympus seems committed to ignoring requests for the even higher end Pen that I want while simultaneously abandoning the entry level market in favor of higher margin, premium cameras. It will be interesting to see what they come up with for the new Pen line.
well, basically Oly think they have your segment (compact, weather sealed, good built, 5 axis stab) by the EM5 or followers. It might be difficult to justify to products which only difference is the position of the EVF. EM-5 sold better than EP-5 => exit top pen.
on the conrtary, the Pen lite does not compete with any of the OM-D. it just come under. It’s probably easier to market.
The Pen probably should differentiate with size. I’d still want the EVF, but a tiny camera best suited for primes or tiny zooms like the GM1 would be fun.
Agree that left vs center EVF is not enough and boxy rangefinder style vs retro DSLR style is not enough. But both of those, plus smaller size, might be enough.
That said, I purchased an EM1 for the performance, weather sealing, and larger size/grip to hold bigger zoom lenses. Still, I’d trade the EP5 for something closer to the GM1 in size, with a left side EVF. 🙂 A tiny, weather sealed GX7?
I have the EM5 and the EPM1. Use longer lenses on the OMD and a pancake on the EPM1. But I wish I had just one camera with the best qualities of both. What would make me trade up would be an EP6 the size of an EPL5 that has an EVF — a compact body with slimmer profile, and a modular attachable grip like the HLD6 for when I want to mount bigger lenses.
The EM5 is nice but it’s also too bulky for a mirrorless body for me. The hump just prevents it from fitting into my belt pouch. Unlike the EM1, it’s neither here nor there, and the slightly more compact EM10 looks more appealing to me (but it wasn’t available when I bought my EM5).
I far prefer the Nikon V1 concept. It is boxy in design like the Pen series, yet has a built-in EVF like the GX7, and you can attach an optional grip that turns it into a pseudo-EM. Best of all worlds, almost (if not for the smallish sensor, but it’s fine for what I use that for).
I’d previously tuned out the much derided Nikon 1 series but am just now taking a good look at it. It looks ergonomic, has a VF, is tiny, and has a growing lens lineup. The v3 looks particularly interesting and speaks to amalric’s point about modularity. It probably makes little sense for Oly and Panny to do a new mount for 1″ sensors UNLESS the organic sensor becomes a reality, but is intriguing to me. How are the lenses? Are they significantly smaller than M43?
The V1 with 10mm lens (28mm eq.) is actually just about the same size and weight as the EM5 with Panasonic 14mm (28mm eq). That was the reason I initially laughed at the Nikon 1 series. I’ve come a long way since then.
I haven’t done side by side comparisons so can’t tell you about the sharpness difference (it’s sharp enough), but I can say the image quality is very, very good (I use it when I know I just want to upload the photos online). You get “Nikon colours” from the jpegs — earthy browns and brilliant blues — and the “Nikon look” which works for me for portraits.
The new V3 design appeals to me, I would have liked it better than my V1 if they hadn’t thrown out the EVF. The V2 is nice to hold but doesn’t interest me because of that fixed grip.
The modular concept is superb as it allows you to customise the camera according to your preference. Want small? Take off the grip and fit a pancake. Going for serious shoots? Attach the grip and FT1 adapter with “proper” AF-S Nikon lenses, and off you go — a 50mm becomes a 135mm!
This part is the most appealing to me: you get to choose which kind of grip suits your hand better — there are many designs out there. You can theoretically do the same with EVFs, but I’m not a fan of removable EVFs.
I am so sorry for your brain cells, both of them.
Come on, Tom, you can do better than that. Try. You have it in you.
I brought this up too. An EVF-only Pen would be different, for sure. With so many coming to photography via phones though, I’m not sure it would make sense.
Sony did it with their R100 mk It does not seem something that olympus would do. How much space do you want to give up on the top edge you got the flash there already so no space for dials put the flash in the body and the lenses will get in the way put the flash on top of the EVF and you have a hump sticking out that makes it look more like a OMD.
I love my VF-4 I could never live without a good quality VF again. Just get one of those.
Of course, PDAF+Contrast detect would be nice in an update as well 😉
Nah, the E-P5 is too expensive to bring in new adopters. The E-PL line is necessary.
The E-pm line was no mans land not small enough to be pocketable not enough control to allow creativity. It was bollox I see that now. Use an E-P5 for one week then try using an E-PM2 It’s torture.
I have a feeling that the in body IS iBIS is making it hard for olympus to come up with a GM 1 rival So for now we are stuck with the E-PL line
They have taken their sweet time.
The good old 16mp sensor will have had one hell of a good run by the time they move on to the next sensor this will be the last pen made with tis sensor It doesn’t make sense to buy The EPL7
There isn’t anything much new going on in the bodies. Not to say Olympus have been idol, I like what they have been doing with their line of lenses.
I wish Olympus would weatherproof their whole mirrorless line How hard can it be? I paid a fortune for my E-p5 and I can’t even take it to the beach.
Too much product lines with little distinguishing features and short life span. With smartphones, people receive software updates and that makes them commit to the product a bit more. With Olympus, you are forgotten the moment you buy one of their cameras and you won’t be buying another one in a couple of months anyway. After a year or two, what will make you repeat the same experience? I applaud Fuji who do the opposite.
Yeah. Olympus needs to think of new cash generators than simply relying on getting cameras out of the gate. Can’t they get people to spend more on lenses by providing products that would compel people to trade up?
Aren’t there enough m43 users out there already to sustain an ecosystem? Maybe that is why they are still flooding the market with almost the same models every 6 months or so. I don’t even know what the clear difference between the EPL5 and the EP5 is anymore other than size.
Why are you calling this E-PL7 a OM20 spec clone when the camera is clearly the same as the E-PL6 only adding a few minor web connections? Previous rumors also said will not have the 5 axis IBIS and probably only new item is a more compact kit lens which has already available in Asia for some time and now in Europe? So the new E-PL6 now marketed in Europe is the same as the camera E-PL7 that will be announced and marketed in the US?
There is a dial around the shutter, maybe the on/off switch (dial would be better).
3 axis ibis + 1 more dial makes it an om-d 10 without evf. It is not exclusive of being a small evolution of the epl5
Where do you get this OM20 idea from, that is consumer film SLR from the past.
Some of you must be joking, still bringing up the EVF thing. Didi you ever hear about scalable?
I use the E-M5 for dedicated shooting and the pocketable E-PM2 with pancake as an always with you camera.
No need of even framing, if you know the technique.
Lesser Pens are like dragsters, with their terrific sensor, and bare bones frames. In the end I use more my Pen than my OM-D, despite the comfort of the latter.
You are not true Machos 🙂
No argument that Pens make great images and your example use cases of an OMD for more considered, composed shooting and VF-less Pen for shooting from the hip with a pancake prime is a valid one. But having spent lots of time with a fixed focal length prime on an EVF-free body and learning that field of view, I’d still rather have a viewfinder than not.
And since Olympus has already said that they intend to rethink the Pen (likely due to unsatisfactory sales), we, the enthusiast segment here on 43rumors, are helping them with product development. 🙂
Clearly, there are many supporters on both sides of the Pen EVF debate. Scalable and modular has its appeal. But miniature and complete (like the RX100iii) appeals to me more.
For now, it sounds like the market has already decided that the EVF-less Pen is not the profitable product Olympus requires. And while the EVF may not prove to be the magic bullet needed to make it a hit, it remains one of the most obvious differences from the reputedly very successful OMD line.
Sony found a very novel solution that satisfies both needs. And Fuji’s nearly flush mounted EVF on the XE cameras add little size and a whole lot of value over the XM and XA cameras.
Surely, you would not rather forgo an EVF on your Pen if it did not interfere with portability?
No joke. No EVF, no sale for many here who love their Olympus (and Panasonic) cameras and want to see them better suit their needs.
Well, that’s their problem. The secret of the new camera IMHO is the WiFi.
Olympus is probably weighting if EVF might be replaced by Wearable Glass. which is the next thing. Visualization devices are changing, processing of a good, if not excellent sensor stays.
I am used to them taking disruptive technology, and I hope they are doing it again: wearable glass.
I thought watches were the next thing. Then the living room device and smart home. THEN wearable glass. But like you, I’m also looking forward to that wearable 80-300 equivalent that Olympus is working on. We are borg.
View finder whining weeners are a real problem these day and must be stopped at all cost. Its time to sent in the marines and deal with this problem before its gets uncontrollable.
We’ve sent too many good marines in to “fix” too many things that aren’t our or actual problems already. Let’s bring them home instead and work on tolerance of dissenting opinions instead. 🙂
Ditto, but E-PL5 and VF-4 for scalable backup should I need EVF..
How subtle, how clever. How do you pronounce “subtle” by the way?
Do you remember the E-PL2? A small capable camera with fine grip. A good choice in 2011. Could the E-PL7 be a return of old good days? With all the improvements during last years… I like 2 PENs model approach – lite and pro.
And a build in flash!
Me, too! Just Lite and Pro to consider would make life a lot easier for me. Right now there are just too many options to weigh, too many samey models from Olympus and Panasonic.
One thing that is certainly cloned is its tiny sensor…..lol.
Of course! It’s the future, the best compromise by far. Third system in number of lenses available just in a few years, and just to add, the worst years for photo gear with all the market retraction. I can imagine the ‘damage’ m43 would make on that glory days…
No worries, no damages, it will fail quietly, unless we have another accounting scandal, which will make it a bit funnier.
One thing that is certainly cloned is my lack of imagination
I love my a giant sensor. I keep it in a sealed box and just stare at it all day.
I am obsessed with tiny things. I need help.
My name is Viezevure and I cloned my mother.
No high video feature. Failure camera
The well proven and nostalgic1080p 30fps is luckily not changed. I like nostalgic things.
This might be good news for the E-PL5 and 6 price. =)