Image courtesy: Personal View (Click here).
As usual Personal View (Click here) did a great job summarizing in graphs the Japanese camera shipment data (contains exact number of shipped cameras manufactured by Japanese companies). And there are two important news we can learn from the January report:
1) DSLR shipment dropped down to the lowest level since two years.
2) While mirrorless shipment to EU slightly increased (from 39,483 in December to 48,321 in January) and America where constant the shipment in Japan surprisingly dropped in Japan.
It’s really a challenging time for all companies producing system cameras! I am now wondering if sales will ever go up again…
More graphs can be seen at Personal View (Click here).
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Cameras just haven’t improved enough for most people to upgrade. I have a GH2, but I’m not upgrading until there’s a global shutter. You know, an actual reason to upgrade.
Exactly my thoughts. Sensor technology has been standing still ever since Sony announced its first NEX and Alpha cameras with 16 Mpx APS-C sensor, which has since been used by Nikon, Pentax and Ricoh. That technology has been transferred to 16 Mpx 4/3 sensor and put into numerous Olympus and some Panasonic models. 24 Mpx APS-C sensor from NEX-7, D3200 etc. was a slight improvement, but nothing major. Fuji and Toshiba made its sensors with similar characteristics to Sony’s. Canon is still lagging behind all of them. All we get these last months are slight improvements in features and “world’s fastest AF” cameras.
Cameras with sensors larger than APS-C don’t represent a large enough percentage of ILC sales to influence the overall result.
Most people that buy ILCs think a bit about their purchase, so they are not susceptible to feature spoonfeeding we receive from the manufacturers lately. Moreover, ILC manufacturers ignore ever growing list of features of mobile phone cameras, which aren’t comparable in image quality to ILCs, but are good enough for more and more people, especially for images that are posted online.
I really hope ILC manufacturers will soon give a reason for people that bought their ILC from 2012 onwards to upgrade, but if these rumors sites are to be beleived, that won’t happen until 2015 :(.
Sometimes I think about the E-M5 II. Without completely new sensor I see no reason to make it. You can improve everything but IQ will be on par with E-M1/E-M10. Maybe this year there will be only new PENs? And in 2015 finally the E-M5 II?
Well, they could give it the E-M1s sensor with FD-focus, better video (60p and mic-in) and wifi and they would have my attention… Built in GPS and ability to control external flash via radio (not IR) would also tickle my attention.
Seems we are many 🙂
I have an E-M5 and I will not upgrade if there is not a global shutter or very good video options available or other cool features like timelapse videos direclty from the camera.
Also I would prefer a GX7 style body, but I want that 5-axis IBIS from Olympus. Once you have used it you will never go without it. It’s alien technology 🙂
All right for not upgrading the E-M5. In fact I am still using an E-PM1 for everyday use so the E.M5 might last for 10 years, unless someone introduces a WARP feature. So nice to think of brass showing below the paint 🙂
Can better WiFi conectivity to the smart phone improve the sales for such models? At least the camera manufacturers seems to think so.
Exactly, the evolution of the dslr has made enthusiasts smarter about their money and upgrading. There was always constant evolution going on initially with developments and a desire to upgrade only to discover that buying a camera every other generation was a financial waste. Companies gave you small doses of technological advances to extend their profits. Why give you it all at once. Maybe people have caught on and are waiting for a mirrorless that reaches a maturity level that ticks all of their personal boxes.
Mirrorless January shipments are at the highest levels that they have ever been for Janaury and the EU shipments are quite a jump while DSLRs are in free fall.
Huh? Did you read the links our moderator posted?
“In 2013 actual mirrorless camera shipments were only 1/3 of the IDC 2012 prediction”
“25% drop in mirrorless shipments & 19% drop in dslr shipments in 2013”
Most of all, there is a huge collapse of all cameras shipped in 2013: 40% in one year. I can’t think of any consumer product line where such a YoY collapse occurred.
Ha ha, all our ships are sinking, and even though your ships are more bouyant than ours, we’ll show you.
Seriously, you need to go out there and buy more mirrorless cameras to prop up the manufacturers! What, you say you can’t afford it because they are too expensive? See, even you get it! Why don’t the manufacturers?
January 2014 is not worse than january 2013 for mirrorless shipments. It’s mostly the pre-hollyday season which accounts for the lost sales during the year.
I am not sure if you are less of a photo artist or a business expert.
It must be fun to bet against you.
anonymous envy must be terrible
Do you work for Panasonic? Have you got your free toaster already?
I’ll trade a surplus SLR for a toaster that actually works.
If you think about it Pentax, Samsung, Canon and Nikon are virtually out of the mirrorless arena so Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus and Sony’s mirrorless sales are likely to have increased…
Canon EOS-M, the only Canon model I think, is big hit in Japan.
PFOS have so many models its hard to keep up, more models in a smaller market … Fuji in particular has so much unsold stock that they practically give equipment away, one assumes to bring in a few dollars and avoid being shut down.
Sony also the only one really innovating and bridging to the DSLR world. Sony closest equivalent to Canon/Nikon.
What these numbers suggest to me is that even with a trend reversal the market is unlikely to be large enough to support 8 manufactures. As an example of the problem, they will all need to make FF cameras in the next 2 years, 3 already there, does this market have room for 5 more FF cameras?
Fuji and Olympus, by virtue of poor video implementation (lack of money), and Fuji obvious suffering (outdated firmware due to lack of money) seem particularly weak. There are some obvious partnerships to solve that problem.
Canon EOS-M had 8% in Japan at most and has since fallen back like Pentax Q and Nikon 1.
There is no need for FF, the market relies on speed of editing and transmission of images which are now largely viewed on the web also FF is problematic for video.
Olympus is working on video and I bet you Fuji is too, unlike Nikon who seem to stumble around in video.
8% is very good. Canon had a winner with a mirrorless camera. Compare that to Fuji who put out 6 models and did not even crack the list! Canon really know their game.
Yes, there is no need for FF, and the same goes for APS-C and 4/3. If everything goes to the web that is … which is clearly not the case.
Ultimately a shrinking market does not need so many camera makers. Some are obviously struggling, whole mirrorless market is becoming dysfunctional, there will need to be a consolidation.
Huh? Samsung, Canon, Nikon mirrorless are selling better than Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus in many large markets.
Samsung, Canon, Nikon mirrorless only done well in the USA for awhile after severe price drops and Canon, Nikon mirrorless done OK in Japan/East Asia for a little while but still didn’t get the volume needed.
click-bait article… take the seasonality out of it, and you’ll find out that it didn’t “crash”. Is it trending down? probably. Did it crash? questionable.
I wondered the same thing. People often draw poor conclusions from Apple’s quarterly sales data, for example, forgetting that seasonal sales make all the difference. Here are the results YOY, which I calculated from data lifted from the plot above. Sales in each category track each other for the first half of the year then mirrorless cameras experience a couple of wild swings into positive territory while DSLRs stay flat to down.
I don’t think we have enough data to draw firm conclusions except what we already know: smartphones are putting the squeeze on camera makers.
Your graph is fine, but these are not sales. They are shipments. When companies ship lots of units in October, they are for sales in the holiday season (December, mostly). We have no idea how many of those units are still sitting in shelves.
Lots of mirrorless units were shipped in Oct-Nov ’12, but poor holiday season sales meant that they we still sitting in shelves by January, which is why Jan-Feb ’13 shipments were so low.
This is the first intelligent comment in this thread.
I dont think theres a significant data issue here. The christmas and holiday season will account for a lift in sales, everyone knows this, There are some stores that make 40% of there annual sales in the 6 weeks before Christmas.
I also dont see there would be a significant distance between SLR or mirrorless movements, they are at the behest of similar conditions. However the ordering was different and this must not be discounted.
A percentage of the shipments to stores will be bought anyway, and the order process for lesser players means they have to pay for that product sold or not. In the event product doesnt move they have a process to make returns and their account is credited. I think its an acceptable premis that shipped = sold, this only becomes an issue when shipped and store bought data are mixed together.
Lastly, there are a number of people that seized on data which made the situation look as though it was the other way around. Where I think the long run data analysis makes the positive conclusion that mirrorless have gained a significant market share and that this segment is still growing. This because the technical attractions please a generous share of the market customers,.
Contrary to the views of some, there is no sign that this demand has abated. Moreover the diversity of product appears to be cementing its position becuase manufacturers are investing in these technologies, Im not sure I can say the same about dSLRs.
Do you have any actual data to substantiate your post?
Anecdotic evidence here shows shipments are far from sales, as last year I bought an Olympus E-PL1 (the whole kit cost less than the price of the lens) and the store across the street still has an E-PM1 on the shelf. Both of these probably appeared on the shipping chart eons ago.
I agree it’s a seasonal low, perhaps a bit deeper, especially for dSLR. If it were to go on in Spring-Summer, then I would get worried.
There might be some camera saturation in Japan, but m4/3 might sell more lenses.
Check my blog ‘Photo & Poetry’:
http://amalric2014.blogspot.it/
Mirrorless v DSLR. Why is such a feeling of competition – these are not football teams?
How about a graph showing black camera sales vs silver ones?
I don’t really care if it has a mirror or not and I think you will find that everyone else outside of this forum doesn’t care either. A small DSLR and a large m43 camera look very similar. Both have lumps and bumps.
People buy based on loads of reasons, cost, features, appearance. Mirror or not? I don’t really think so!
That graph and what you extract from it is vapour. It’s important for the camera companies though. Reduce prices and innovate or get out of the market (the digital camera market !!)
Survival is competition. Economy is competition. Life is competition. I just hope mirrorless will survive, so my next camera doesn’t have a flapping mirror (and I can keep my lenses).
wise words!
There is not really a competition between mirrorless and DSLR. They are all just cameras, and there is no good news here for anybody.
However, there is a strange compulsion for some mirrorless posters to constantly declare the death of the DSLR to justify their mirrorless purchases (or perhaps they are just paid sock puppets by the mirrorless companies, who knows). There is no corresponding claim by the DSLR owners.
This has been going on for six years, and the DSLRs are not dead, are still profitable, while the future of mirrorless is in question as is the notion that any company ever has ever made a profit on mirrorless cameras (DSLRs are and always have been profitable).
As I say it’s a false dichotomy, and an oddly one-sided one.
Because the reality is that most camera buyers are pretty old. The demographic for mirrorless and DSLR is not really different- again, despite the claim of mirrorless.
A second reality is that the ‘move up’ market the mirrorless claims doesn’t exist. All manufacturers claim they want to target the ‘move up’ market of smartphone users. resulting in overcapacity across manufacturers for such a small semi-imaginary market.
The third reality is that many mirrorless people have convinced themselves that people buy DSLRs just because they are larger, while they themselves buy mirrorless because of all the unique features. In other words, they are smarter than DSLR users, since obviously DSLRs are trashy by comparison. This is not consumer behavior, this is cult behavior.
And all the time during all the talk we ignore the elephant in the room. The elephant that mirrorless costs way too much, in comparison to DSLRs.
Odd thinking….
Best part is that companies hire people to write on forums to defend mirrorless against DSLR.
DSLR profits and market share is falling.
“There is no corresponding claim by the DSLR owners.” you are joking aren’t you?
Micro four thirds , Fuji and Sony are gaining customers from many segments…DSLRs/video/female/travel/move uppers/wysiwyg shooters etc. The reason Nikon 1 failed was because it was too targeted at “‘move up’ market of smartphone users and Point and shooters”
People buy DSLRs because for some thats all they know or are too conservative to change.
DSLRs cost too much since they are using old technology, have the volume and the price of sensors has dropped.
“Because the reality is that most camera buyers are pretty old. The demographic for mirrorless and DSLR is not really different- again, despite the claim of mirrorless.” take a look at the 43rumors facebook friends and do the same for canon or nikon rumors facebook friends, do the same for Flickr profiles and groups, I think you’ll Micro Four Thirds has plenty of variance in it’s demographics.
While I cannot comment on the buyer categories, I think you make many valid points here.
The elephant in the room is indeed doing its job, and it gives obvious answers. Who in their right mind would pick a 1600 unit “Nocticron PRO” (I am still laughing at the name) against a 400 unit 85/1.8? And no, it’s not even smaller, not really.
This forum is full of sock puppets who spread lies, and some will fall for them, but most people who spend thousands on camera stuff will check their facts in advance. And the elephant will hit them.
Mirrorless does not yet look like worse than jan ’12 or jan ’13. DSLR’s are going through a bit deeper than ’12 and ’13 valley.
Agree, mirrorless sales are up for January compared to the 2 previous years. I’d be more concerned about the dslr slide.
There is no ‘crash’, ‘freefall’ or even substantial dip in DSLR or mirrorless sales from that chart. Look at where the data is on previous january’s and you will see a slight downward trend for DSLR and a slight upward trend for mirrorless. Clickbait headline or stup|d editorial, take your pick.
Good news for Panasonic GH4 , Sony will not be launching a 4K competitor until Photokina in September at the earliest 🙂
AX100?
Is it natural mortality of DLSR customers?
I suppose younger users of smartphones will likely update to mirrorless. And the typical DLSR üser is a dying breed. Just natural mortality. Decreasing number of sales every year.
For a period an encreasing market of cheap used lenses will give some push to low budget DSLR Newcomers.
Like film, DSLR is dead, just a matter of time. Look at Canon manager interview to see their last breath: “DSLRs can capture the moment better than mirrorless, because you’re viewing directly, not through an LCD.”
Image quality talk is over… of course.
I just whent from DSLR to m4/3 to Film for photos 🙂
For video which is my main interest I whent DSLR to m4/3 to BMPCC (also m4/3 but a bit different).
So film is still a little bit alive.
Most products of today are outdated tomorrow. So not a very wise comment. Image quality is sufficient, right, or do you really think buying mirror less makes you a better photographer?
YOUNGER USERES ARE MOSTLY IDIOTS WHO DO WHAT IS SAID
we call them facebook-sheeps
others are called
patchwork-momey-babys
and all of them do not know how to make a photo neither a film
it is a horrible bulshit and for taht is a smartphone enough…….
for all others with a minimum of brain…. if everybody has a dlsr, mirrorless
how often do you suppose they will buy same again?
3,4, 5times?
ahh….. cerebralis neuronalis integer hapticus est..
LOL, the irony of this post is so rich that I can’t tell if it’s satirical or if the author is really another out of touch old man bitterly complaining about how women, youngsters, etc have ruined everything.
To me the whole picture is so clear… no need to debate. Canon and Nikon are market leaders, why would them innovate?? They will keep launching those outdated models cause no need to spend “a cent” in R&D, there is no technological achievement… always the same of the same of the same. It is so so clear, that’s why they are cheap… in all sense, btw. The t6i will come… then the t7i, t8i… d5400, d3350, d7125, etc, etc… to send customer a message that they are innovating. Bullshit!! Always the same of the same of the same. As if we’d need a mirror inside a camera to take a good picture. A “mirror”, yes, an artifact used by the settlers to conquer the native peoples, six centuries ago. I think the main debate is “innovation vs stagnation”. Those two companies are so lucky cause the mirrorless players don’t advertise in the right way. But the new generations will come and sooner or later the mirrorbox will be history. Sorry, it’s hard for some but that’s what is gonna happen.
How do you think mirror less change in the future? Isn’t 99% of all mirror less now just minor evolution? Every new model just updates to a better sensor, better EVF, better LCD, maybe a tad more phase detection pixels, better Wifi,… (same applies to DSLRs) but the basic mechanism in all mirror less is all the same and most cameras look all the same, too. The big changes will be in software. Nobody says we need a mirror. If you don’t want one don’t buy one. I still use both since I still don’t see why DSLRs are outdated (you could apply the same argumentation to many other things, too, watches is one example. I still prefer mechanics over lcds in watches). In 5-10 years, maybe. But as long as there is a large demand, you can’t talk about outdated technology, only because there is a mirror amongst all the electronics.
“Isn’t 99% of all mirror less now just minor evolution?”
Really?? No innovation from GH1 to GH4? No innovation between E-PL1 and E-PL5?? No innovation from G1 to G6?? No innovation from E-P1 to E-P5?? Now tell me the innovation between t1i and t5i, from D50 to D5200…. What about lenses, anything new that I’m not aware? Of course not!
The only point where m4/3 need to improve to catch up is signal to noise ratio. Let’s see what the Pana-Fuji cooperation will bring to the table in a few years….
Exactly what I said. Better sensor, better EVF better …
Similarly for Canon’s line up to the 70D. Is building existing technology in a product a large innovation? I had the G2 once, but every new model just updated their old one with new available technology. That’s a standard procedure, but no innovation. Sigma’s new camera is an innovation. IBIS? Sony A99 has a similar technology. 4k? Exists already, but Panasonic was the first to guid it in. I don’t call that innovative. But we may apply different standards as to what we think of innovation.
Look at the graph: camera sales are always down in january. So, why the big fuss???
Personally I prefer gear rumors, but still..here’s my cent about lowering shipping/sales.
I live in Italy, until not so many years ago (<10) a lot of people used to change their car after just a couple of years.
Then something changed (echonimy crisys). And suddenly charts started showing a lowering trend in car sales.
To come to a conclusion, I simply believe that social apps like instagram/facebook/twitter/and so on have the merit to have instilled curiosity on many people about photography.
There are those who "upgraded" to a DSLR or a mirrorless camera, but soon they left it inside its box (I really know many people who did it).
Others bought their first "serious" camera and are happy with it. At least they're satisfied.
Like those who have a car and after 5 years it's still good enough for its purpose.
What is really missing is some money.
(End of my Economy lesson 🙂 )
Good comments Marco, but I think there is more to it than just money. I think much technology has passed the point of “good enough” some time ago (e.g., in cameras, anything past 6-8MP/ISO800 is just gravy). So there is no need to upgrade as frequently. Many of us got sucked in by things like surround sound etc, to later realise it didn’t improve our lives! So we think a bit harder now.
I used my E-PL1 for 3 1/2 years, upgraded to an E-M1, but only because it finally had PDAF, which I wanted. The other upgrades are nice, but not vital, for me.
Camera phones (iPhones) have taught us a valuable lesson as well, that ease of use and sharing of images is more relevant for most of us than IQ. I still get blown away by the quality of prints some friends get from their iPhones!
I totally agree that 1) money matters and 2) there have been no real innovation in photography over the last few years.
Cameras are:
1) a means to capture memories -> but smartphones do, too.
2) gadgets -> but then gimme some novelty, otherwise I buy a smartphone, which is a lot more “gadgety”.
3) a tool to express one’s creativity -> for me, for some of you, but frankly, for how much of the potential market? I bet 10% to 20%.
I reckon this 15% are much savvier buyers than the rest, and they only buy when they see real value. But they all have cameras already, except the youngest ones. Perhaps the camera market is going the same way as the hifi market in the ’80s – ’90s? From everyone’s darling to weirdos’ (including me) darling? Maybe the bubble has burst, they tend to do so – and there was definitely a bubble.
I am certainly waiting for lower prices and true innovation: huge dynamic range, excellent focus control, proper usability, high flash sync speed, small sizes without impairing quality. Until then, I am already equipped enough, thanks a lot.
Having said that, those numbers reflect shipped units, not sold units, and they look cyclical, so they are pretty useless.
Bollox, fuck off. I love my M43 stuff and I will die with it. It craps on your Canon full frame.
Have fun with your little sensor…
I did not post this juvenile response, FO. In FACT I voted UP your post.
We ALL know the style of this same tiresome FF (F**k Freak) jackass who posts under a different name each post to try to make himself look an army of piss-ants. Fortunately . . . he is just ONE.
Bolox has a small-man complex from Hell and uses psychotic reasoning to imagine his HUGE – BOAT ANCHOR CAMERA as an extension of his lesser attributes.
FO – I did not post this (small sensor nonsense) – which was posted in my name. It is a typical hysterical response from Bollox & company. . . . In FACT I voted UP your post.
We ALL know the style of this tiresome FF (F**k Freak) jackass who posts under other user’s names and under 50 different names per day to try to make himself look an legion of piss-ants. . . . . Fortunately . . . he is just ONE.
Bollox has a small-man complex from Hell and uses psychotic reasoning
to imagine his HUGE – BOAT ANCHOR CAMERA as an extension of his lesser attributes, which TRULY are “legion”.
You call me a jackazz? Why Dolbydumb? Did I offend you in any way? Did your mom teach you this sort of manners? Let me guess, she is not the classiest of women heh?
Yo’ Mama!?! . . . . Seriously is that the best you can do, a towering intellect like you? . . . or is that YO mama doing your talking?
Another one with the not-so-smart genes, I see. It’s not your fault kid, neither dolbydunn’s, it’s yer mums who suckz. Pun intended, if you catch my drift 🙂
I think both of you (+DonTom) have a good point. People need money to buy those things (and good mirror less cameras and better than average lenses and accessories are not cheap). The average quality is additionally sufficient for most purposes
(most debates here on the forum center around 100% views or >ISO6400). How many of us really print or sell stuff? Getty allows nowadays non-commercial use of images, flooding the available market with additional images. Furthermore, a good camera is no status symbol any more (if it ever was) and nothing most people have on their wish list. Look at your kids or friends, they are only talking about cell phones tablets and apps. Most of them think that to be good enough (compare todays Nokia/Iphone image quality to images 20 years ago). I like reading bythom.com and agree with his vision that the next “revolution” will be on the software side.
A last point: I think an other major factor is time. To develop good skills and make good pictures (+post-processing) you need to invest time. I have the feeling many (esp. younger) people are not willing to spend much time anymore. Satisfaction needs to be instant.
Marco: of course money matters. Only fools (and horses) can ignore that.
Some of your photos are nice, I think you have talent, but most of your pics are boring. There is something missing: the light. I was at your point 2 years ago, then I started out with lighting and coloured gels and boy, everything changed. Besides, I would process less (if I was you). You don’t need that if you have the right light to start with. No more HDR junk, kapish? Just my very personal taste of course.
Besides: once you start lugging around two flashes with a couple of mods, the M43 advantage shrinks quickly: you need a big bag anyway. Keep some money aside for a FF camera, you will want it, and no Leica rubbish please :):):)
Disclaimer: all this is meant in the best possible way. No offense or harm was meant while writing this post.
Pro, thank you for stopping by, first of all.
Can you please tell me which (if not all) photo is boring to you? I’m not a warzone photojournalist, and I always admit I have to concentrate when working as a reporter (rarely happens).
But all my pictures are usually instinct driven, and most of them are for me: that means that I enjoyed the moment I took them.
Some of them have been printed and were exposed, and though not perfect people generally like them.
I never use HDR mode.
I admit sometimes I can exagerate in pushing and pulling lights and shadow, but it’s always like painting: I always have the original RAW file for a different post production, if i change my mood.
Last year I used the kit unit flash just once, for the cover of a music cd. I don’t like artificial light (it’s necessary sometimes, i.e. still photography or in studio) and I prefer to play (and enjoy) with the available light.
That’s why I prefer fast lenses and the double depth of field of this system is a plus.
Going FF: as I wrote sowhere else, I’m more interested in what you define a rubbish Leica. A MM. Again because I can enjoy its rangefinder experience shooting in the dark, again with the available light.
There are two accounts on Flickr with names, which could be yours. Is yours the account “Name space FamilyName or NameFamilyName?
MarcoSartoriPhoto, the one with my face as icon, is my Flickr account. Mymaco on Instagram, where I post for fun and low resolution. I know a couple of photogs having exactly my sane name, but the one with my face is mine.
All concatenated together then, right? I will come up in the fullness of time. In no way I have told you you are crap or your pics are crap. Only dolbydunn’s pics are crap 🙂
And yet there must be a third MarcoSartoriPhoto on flickr, I quite like your pics! Sorry no problems with light there. Just too much HDR for my taste.
Dolbydunn’s pics suck instead :):):) I am kidding dolbydunn, please don’t get angry.
They are very similar, and both have the same problems; talent but lack of light.
There’s just no way to take a quality picture without a proper camera.
Talk about your mini-sensor all you want, can’t hold a camera to FF.
https://lh3.ggpht.com/-Dk78LJ6CF0s/UAK-CyiXy9I/AAAAAAAAEU8/GtM1xQVk2Og/s1600/Huge+camera.jpg
Or can’t you just put a link here? I will come up in flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcosartoriphoto/
I actually like you pics a lot, there must have been some other MarcoSartoriPhoto in the way. Maybe Dolby?
I can only say that there are five guys with exactly my name in the area where I live. And they’re not even relatives of mine.
I know there’s a photographer based in Treviso and another one based in Verona, with my name, and it happened this caused confusion.
As I said, shooting with strobes it’s a technique, it’s not mandatory.
You may prefer it, but i don’t usually like it because it makes the picture looking “fake” in my opinion (in studio sessions usually require strobes).
Last autumn I had a fashion shooting in Venice, other photographers were using flashes and lights (it was getting dark): I asked them to turn everything off when I needed to take pictures. With the right lens and light, I prefer it.
Marco, that totally explains why the other sets look like they need light and yours don’t: they are other people’s! I like your pics man.
Yes really, you have some cool pics. But perhaps dolbydunn does not like them? Who is this arsehole?
They are totally nice pictures.
Marco, I can speak for myself. I visited your Flickr photostream and I very much like your work. I believe you know from my previous post that I have NEVER criticized anyone’s work. It isn’t my style.
Keep taking those great photos!
Thank you so much! I appreciate critics when they are constructive. I know a photo or a style of photography may look beautiful to some and leave some other indifferent, it’s a matter of personal taste.
But things like exposure, light metering, are usually objective qualities in a photo.
That’s why I asked for the specific “wrong” picture, I was curious.
Remark: An article today in a German newspaper analysed the German market. 60% only take pictures with smartphones, 40% don’t even own a camera any more. Camera shipments almost halved from 2008 up to now, smartphone sales 10x higher now, out shipping cameras by a factor 4 to 1. Market analysts expect a smartphone like OS to exist in 50% of the cameras in the next three years.
Can you please link your Flickr account (or portpholio)? I’m always curious to look at other people works. Thanks!
Marco, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that Flickr URL.
Trash-Talk is cheap.
One who hurls such insults isn’t about to show his “work”.
which insults? I haven’t insulted anybody. Bad day?
Dolbydunn, why don’t you chill? Nobody insulted anybody here. It’s just boys being boys. Do you like boys being boys?
Dolbydunn, I am sure you are a cool guy. Why this? How is your mom?
🙂 offering up criticism without any validity is nothing but opinion. There is a lot of great work on Marco’s page, and why do you think your personal taste has any bearing on his work, it is the expression of the artist, and his vision.
One problem with the internet is that people somehow think their opinion counts for the art and creativity of the artist, for expressing his subject matter in whatever light he sees fit.
To give you an example, you mention the HDR “rubbish” why should his vistas NOT be shot in HDR, why should they NEVER be exposed to this for of visual expression? Because you have personally grown tired of the technique?
The usual internet tripe.
For one thing I don’t think there have been any big improvements in DSLRs lately that would really encourage people to upgrade if they already had one. If you bought one a few years ago and it works fine, why upgrade now?
always down in January… look at the chart.
Time to lower prices – even though I own 13 cameras – lower prices would tempt me – but with current prices I am not tempted –
Like to add the Lumix Gm1 to my collection – but at $800 I am not budging – also if the Em1 would drop to $900 then I would have to move –
In reality I do not expect manufacturers to lower their prices – especially not Sony 🙂 – Panasonic is the most likely to lower prices – but I suspect Jan sales are always lower – so maybe not a major alarm as the DSLR’s showed the same trend – would be nice to compare jan for the last 10 years
It looks to me that almost all that want a camera already have one and its good enough for them.
Kinda like computers… Its been at least 3 years since you really needed an upgrade for any other purpose than routine video or 3D editing…
It gets to the point that you decide you don’t need any more cameras.
For me, the interesting takeaway from the graph is that mirrorless sales roughly track DSLR sales but are less volatile.
DSLR dropped more than mirrorless, and more than last year. DSLRs are seeing the beginning of the end. January 2018 will see equal mirrorless and DSLR sales as I predicted. Soon the only ones using mirrors will be pros and “wannabees.”
I don’t see anything radical there. Just a usual January drop after X-mass that repeats every year, with minor variations. The sales will go up again. Of course, it will be interesting to see whether mirrorless can take a bigger share (in a market that’s globally shrinking).
I hope you’re right … but yes, January and Feb. are historically low in terms of cameras shipped. And this data does not tell us how many cameras were actually sold. Dealers had millions of cameras in stock… some sold in December but I’ll bet many sold in January. The data on cameras shipped is useful if viewed over a long period, a year or more, but not valid if viewed as a single month.
smartphones are not bought, you get them for 14,90,-/month
so waht?
ps i am 16 years old… and not so monostupid to bolder dslr agaonst mirrorless…