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Small addition to the E-m10 rumor flow: The new E-M10 will have a grip option. But this isn’t a power grip. It does have a quick release for easy access to battery. And the E-M10 camera is not weather sealed.
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I’m about to sell my D700. Any idea when the silver OMD EM1 is coming?
yes – with Olympus making such nice looking silver bodies, it’s a shame not to offer it for their top of the line model.
even more so since several of their better lenses were offered only in silver for a long time. (12mm, 75mm, 45mm…)
beware: silver as the new black? limited silver em1? -> please don’t olympus!
Just sit down, make a coherent decision about colors and stick to it – will you?
it’s not, Olympus have stated this clearly.
It is not meant to be a necklace, its a professional camera.
So silver can’t be Pro?
How idiotic.
Pros don’t care about the colour, black is the most traditional and offer quite a few advantages when it comes to discretion and reducing reflections, therefore Olympus produces its pro body in black and doesn’t see the economic advantage of producing it in any other colour.
Besides, the E-M1 design is such that it would be far less elegant in silver than the E-M5/10 or E-P5 are.
I was going to mention the design as well. The EM-1 just wouldn’t look amazing with silver like the EM-5 does.
isnt the silver e-m5 painted in silver? A true silver or chromish metal E-M1 would look very classy I think.
“black is the most traditional” You have a short memory or are not very old.
here is a silver mock up of an em1 in silver https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUGCLYGCEAAkN8s.jpg
Hello! Is there any information about WiFi capabilities? Thanks!
The E-M10 announcement can be viewed as the completion of the OM-D first generation. I think that the 1/5/10 trio is an impressive line of cameras with strong design and functionality characteristics. Perhaps not the “best” in the world in any way, but certainly a sensible set of compromises suitable for most photographic applications.
The second generation will probably set off around Photokina and concentrate on evolutionary refinements (mainly video capabilities, but perhaps also a new sensor).
Agreed. Although many of us are still struggling to understand the differentiation between the 5 and 10, but I guess we’ll know more on Wednesday. So far, judging from the comments at least, the typical reader here seems to be more inclined to go for an EM5 than a newer (although crippled down) E10..
Not sure what anybody would struggle with. Olympus needs an entry-level camera. This is that camera. A lesser build quality to the E-M5 with some improvements, but much cheaper. This is the “Rebel” to the “70D.” Nobody seems to fault Canon or Nikon for making similar cameras at various price points. For all intents and purposes, can the 7D or 70D outperform the T5i that much? Not really. However, you need to offer something at each price point to gain a larger following.
This is not a successor to the E-M5. When that camera comes it will be better in some ways than the E-M1. That’s how it works.
I maintain, Olympus should have been doing this right from the beginning, instead of the glorified point and shoots they started with. Better late than never. I think they are doing everything right here…
I agree. Until now OM-D could not be considered a proper product line. The addition of an entry level option (and the clearer differentiation between lens lines) establishes a distinctive “family” of products. This new sense of order may help Olympus focus on future products, but more importantly it gives potential adopters an idea of the system’s structure.
Panasonic, on the other hand, is still testing the water with five loosely-related product lines (G, GH, GX, GM and GF) and perhaps more to come. I think that one of the most important positives to someone looking to dive into a camera system is a foreseeable “upgrade path”. Lets face it, this has been a major reason why Canon and Nikon’s market shares are not shaken by the introduction of mirrorless technology. IMHO Panasonic must drop a few of its lines and concentrate all its R&D muscles on the remaining ones if it wishes to stay viable.
{EP/EP-M/EP-L, OM-1/OM-5/OM-10} vs {GM/GF, G/GH, GX}
Seriously, I don’t know who is more confusing at first glance.
I don’t think the OM line is confusing; there’s a clear lineage, and it’s certainly better than G, GF, GM, GX, GH……. However, I don’t like what Olympus have done with the Pen line. In my opinion, a Pen and a Pen-Lite are all that is needed. The Pen-Mini is nothing more than a watered down Pen-Lite, so much so that there are cheaper point and shoots that have better functionality. I bought the E-PM2 (with two lenses for $349), and I find it frustrating to use. My photos are fine, but the ease of switching functions, aperture and other settings is terrible. Believe it or not, even at that price I find it too expensive, it’s just too lacking.
As a funny side note, I let me 3-year old son play with the E-PM2, and he holds it up to his eye as if it has a viewfinder. I think to myself, yeah, I wish it had one, also…..
The E-P5 is a beautiful camera. I love the feel, the controls, the looks, etc. BUT, the lack of viewfinder was such a disaster of a decision. The VF-4 looks ridiculous on it, and it takes up the hotshoe. Have you ever composed a shot with one of these cameras with a full-size flash on them? It’s awkward to say the least, and forget it if you have a zoom lens on the camera. For all intents and purposes it becomes a very expensive point and shoot in the way you handle it.
The point I’m trying to make is the Pens are not taken seriously. Until they have viewfinders and enough controls to adjust at least the most basic of settings, they will remain that way. The E-P5 did everything right, except the viewfinder. The other Pens lack in other ways that make them expensive point and shoots. Olympus needs to scrap the Mini, unless they truly make it mini like the GM. Otherwise they should go with the Pen and Pen Lite. Both with viewfinders. Both with similar functionality. Just one is a cheaper, smaller version and perhaps less of a solid build. I don’t think that would be so confusing to people….
We share more agreements than disagreements.
I don’t care what name or brand, a camera without OVF/EVF, without decent grip, with a fiddly menu, such camera can have all the turbo boosted non-eucledian poly-axis neuro IBIS in the world, it won’t do. Ridiculous jpegs engine won’t make it up either.
As for naming convention, again, I agree with you, EM is not confusing and EPm doesn’t add much. Beyond that, I mostly think that this is hair splitting. Seriously. Don’t you give the average buyers any more credits than that? If I’m ever going to buy a Canon, I will figure out their naming convention.
jules. “{EP/EP-M/EP-L, OM-1/OM-5/OM-10} vs {GM/GF, G/GH, GX}”???
Try EM1, EM5 and EM10. In the OMD range if one must add OMD.
Panasonic needs to rationalize its lines. Absolutely.
And probably they will do it at one point. The thing is, they do not have an Olympus name, neither the huge budgets of Sony. So they are going for (attempting of) innovating through niches, at least that is what it looks like to me.
Because at this point in the EM5’s life, it wouldn’t be much more expensive than the new EM10. So the advantage of the EM10 being much less expensive is already gone before it’s even released.
It may drop in price quicker. So down the line it might make sense if someone was willing to wait that long. But at this point in time, I think many would choose the 5.
BS. I don’t need weather sealing, I often use on-camera fill flash, I find the IBIS even in my EPL2 is plenty good enough for me, and I see no need to pay a premium for a build quality and features that are unnecessary to me.
I’ll be buying this camera a few months after it comes out (to wait for the price drop). I’ve been waiting 2 years for Olympus to release a camera with these features, and couldn’t be happier with the specs.
Thank you Michael. It’s a bit mind boggling to think that many can’t see that there will be many more like you (that are not commenting here), but are just so full of their own wants. I remember reading of several expressing a similar desire to you when the E-M5 first came out. Too many commenting here are just so full of “gimme this & gimme that” “this camera is no good because it doesn’t have all the high end features for a dirt cheap price”, so thanks for letting these plebs know that they aren’t the only ones interested in buying a camera (not that some of them want to buy but just criticise). Cheers mate & hope you enjoy it when it comes!
P.S. I have the E-M5 & a few lenses but have added the Stylus 1 & have been really enjoying using it & feeling quite unburdened with it as I can take it many places I might not with the other. Sometimes we don’t need the biggest & the best.
Havagoodwunmate!
While we’re waiting for my comment (above) to be moderated, thank you Michael for your confirmation that you & many others will appreciate this camera.
weather sealing was my main requirement for a next camera. Guess it will have to be the new EM-5 🙂
e-m10 price just doesn’t make any sense. Hope e-m5 replacement will come soon with vf-4 or something even better. No need for on sensor pd-af, just creates more noise in bulb mode.
Better evf, focus peaking and improved buttons and handling. So close to near perfect camera for me. em1 sure is nice, but a bit too expensive and slightly worse for long exposures than em-5.
OSPDF helps quite a bit for continuous focus with m4/3 lenses and there is a whole bunch of e-5xx and e-6xx users that would rather appreciate having something more affordable to use with their existing lenses.
I can has focus peaking for my E-M5? Please?
nein nein nein
But seriously 🙂 would be awesome if the could do that via a firmware update, unfortunately it may not be possible do do in software 🙁
Why can’t focus peaking be implemented with a firmware update? That makes no sense.
First we don’t know if it can be done, but the thing that may get in the way of a firmware implementation is the cpu cost, battery usage and heat production. Something that can be dealt with by using hardware acceleration for the data/processing intensive part.
There’s a way to override it by choosing to use one of the filters, it works pretty much the same way as an focus preview…1.set the mode-dial to A 2.set the picture filter to keyline choose setting II 3.select myset and set 4.go to menu and select the myset you put it on 5.choose button function select fn-button as myset and number you entered previous 6.set the picture-mode to natural or the one you prefer. and done now you have your beloved focus peaking if you hold down fn-button with myset as you focus you will see an outline in what appears to be a comic-book overlay…happy shooting
Btw don’t forget to release the fn-button before pressing shutter otherwise you will take a photo with the overlay instead of with the desired picture-mode
A grip is always a useful option,somehow its too bad the hld6 does not fit because of the smaller em10 body
thats really a pity.
the moment i read that it uses the Pen Batteries I knew that the grip would not fit. now i wonder if the new grip for the E-m10 will feature a dial&trigger or if its just a piece of plastic.
Still i m very interestet, especially because of the Batteries and the Integrated flash and the mostlikly better ergonomics.
I wonder if this grip will allow access to battery without having to remove it. IMHO this is a must!
If you read the caption you will see ” It does have a quick release for easy access to battery.”..
The quik release prob means to remove the whole grip I think, which is something the OT does not want.
I thought announcement is this wednesday (in two days), not next week. Admin?
Admin is still in Sunday mode. 😉
“For a whopping 50 GBP savings (699 vs. 749), you too can get a camera with no weather sealing, worse IBIS and full incompatibility with the E-M5 grip! Order now! 0118 999 881 999 119 725… 3!”
All m43 cameras are overpriced, and even more their lenses. The software corrected huge lens distortion you get for free.
When the E-M5 came out and it was about 1000 EUR, many people asked (me too) about a cheaper, non weather sealed version for 250-300 cheaper. Now it seems that we will have that camera. The problem, as you note, is that in the meantime the E-M5 has gone down to 750 EUR. So to save 50 euros and get for free a worse IBIS, I’m not sure it makes that much sense.
Let’s wait to see the final specs and pricing. But I hope that Olympus has something up its sleeve, or else I hope the price of the E-M10 will drop fast to 500-550 EUR.
The prices drop quickly, genius.
Well, like the size, but since it is lacking WR I will either go E-M5 plus 12-40 or X-T1.
regards
..and what feature “WF” would be?
I believe WR means Wanker Retainer, it is a feature used to retain wankers who make “threats” that they will switch to another camera in an online forum and think that we care bout it
Who said something about switching? That in any case is not possible since I am still with my E-600. Since there was no definite confirmation about that (and of course still not is), I was interested in the E-M10. As you seem not to be interested in weather-resistance you are welcome to buy the E-M10. Of course you may argue that WR is overrated in any case
Some reading c/glasses may be in order though …
Regards
… I meant no confirmation about the WR of course …
Weather Resistance! I get it now. Thanks for saving my day.
I liked “Wanker Retainer” better. Imagine Olympus put an empty box under the EVF in a new camera, and call it the WR module. Now a very authoritative reviewer goes on and on with tests and such commanding the Wonders of such module in depth. All the other reviewrs will follow. All the people on this forum will be in ecstasy, and people will be happy.. Sounds like a familiar scene (apart from the famous tale this story is loosely based upon)..?
+1
It is such a shame that Olympus is releasing a step down version of EM5 at this price. Same goes for Fuji XT1 price tag. I guess the Sony NEX7 successor with the rumored price tag is going to kill EM10 and XT1.
I just wish Olympus price their cameras more competitively, so that m4/3 can stay in the market longer.
No camera “kills” any other camera, they are all built as a set of compromises that either suit your needs and budget or don’t.
Only “Neophytes” such as you write such rubbish. As technology advances, certain classes of tech become uneconomic to produce, and thus obsolete. But dead? In real life, the only advantage of a larger sensor is a thinner DOF. Which is a disadvantage for many phographers.
Well said
Why do you get so defensive??
Did I say anything about sensor size? In fact I like the Micro Four Thirds format. I don’t do large prints and m4/3 sensor is perfect for me. I was only talking about the pricing. And I really want Olympus to stay in business.
Same uncompetitive price as the e-p5
Perhaps you didn’t notice… the EM10 has a built in EVF, the EP5 doesn’t. But you can add one for $250 more….
E-P5 is an incredible camera (have you used one?)…I bought the kit with the VF-4 and the 17mm…very fairly priced at that time. ..I bought it as back-up for my EM-5….I sold my EM-5 and grip shortly thereafter.
In one or another way every camera is incredible. But uncompetitive priced, yes for sure.
4 U.
For a lot of people, which is why it’s not selling and will be further pushed back on the shelf.
There were too many better choices from other brands. Olympus overpriced the camera from the start and it’s STILL overpriced.
4U
oh…wait…wait…it isn’t even priced yet…LOL!
I wonder, you bought a GX7, which is actually more expensive then the RUMORED price for the E-M10 by quite a bit, and to make up for that price difference, it has a higher resolution tiltable EVF but with an annoyingly short eye-relief, and it supports more frame rates for video for those interested in that. That camera wasn’t too expensive? Why? because it says Lumix instead of Olympus?
Whats more, seeing how you seem worried about ‘wasting’ money, why do you buy cameras to just sell them 2 months later? Is it about being efficient in wasting money or what?
I am guessing that your comment is directed at angry MrAllCraps…as I do not own a GX7?
Sorry Bob, yes, it was directed at mrallcaps indeed
It is funny…I do not go to the Fuji site and tell the posters there that I think that their cameras feel hollow, that I do not like the fake Fuji colors from the X-Trans and that their AF sucks! LOL!…I made my mirrorless decision, MFT obviously (I also shoot fullframe but that does not often enter the discussion here, but sometimes when it is relevant, like someone saying that FF is not better than MFT, etc…)…I come here to learn and help…but there are just so many angry idiots sometimes it makes me mad (as in crazy)!!!!! Why can’t we all just get along!!!!! LOL!!!!
@Bob B I don’t know, I don’t mind people talking about or comparing to other competitive systems at all, through it won’t affect my choice probably, theres often something to learn from other people’s choices and their arguments for them.
But thats also where the problem comes with a significant number of people here, angry mrallcaps being a nice example, they aren’t interested in using a camera but in owning ‘the best’ camera within some arbitrary definition of ‘the best’, and are caught in a never ending chase of this camera nirvana.
You are so right, GX7 is overpriced as well
I just don’t understand what all the whinging is about? This is the entry-level camera into the OMD line. it’s not anything else…seems that many want this camera to be the OMD EM6? It’s not. 🙂
Bob. There are actually two issues. 1. Who wants to buy a camera that is purposely reduced hobbled? (No 5 axis IBIS for example) 2. For what it does it is ridiculously priced.
And you also have to ask yourself how except for Wifi the EM-5 a camera that is now several years old weather but has features like weather sealing and 5 axis stabilization is almost the same price.
Almost makes it look like this new camera is a decoy to get people to continue to buy the old technology of the EM-5. I hope very few people buy this new camera and Olympus get’s the message.
The EM10 is entry level. If you want more features you buy a higher model on the line. I have to laugh…Olympus is in a business…They are offering a lower-feature camera at a lower price. You don’t get the lower price and all the features of the imaginary OMD E-M2. LOL!
The point is with such a marginal price difference — there won’t be many people who want to buy this camera as it is *overpriced*. Several years later even the EM5 is overpriced.
I buy plenty of lenses from Olympus (even the 75mm) but can’t get myself to buy any of there bodies because they are overpriced for what they do.
I am a still photographer. I find the Olympus bodies (NOT the OS, LOL!) superior to the Pany bodies and I like the rendering of the Oly (Sony) sensor. I have 2 VF-4’s and an E-P5 and an EPL-6. I think these cameras were worth every penny that I paid for the (at the time that I bought them). I like an accessible centered VF, and thie VF-4 is killer. I guess we each have to find our own way…Photography is a very personal pursuit…..
@Endlos
¨a marginal price difference¨…¨overpriced¨…
Could you please tell me where are you getting the official US price for the EM10? can you disclose such secret information ? cause so far the only thing we’ve heard are the CONVERTED prices (which never hold true in the end) from the RUMORED yen and GBP MSRP.
An Olympus Sales Rep. stopped by the local camera store after CES. He did tell the salemen the expected USA retail price. I was that interested in the camera since I own both the E-M5 and E-M1 so I don’t remember the price he mentioned. Anyhow the suggested retail price is out there and it is less than 2 days before we hat it offically announced.
Endlos,put your brain into gear & stop comparing a new retail price with a two year old street price. As if Olympus would sell their new camera at a two year street price. Get reel! You would soon go out of business if you did that!
But we don’t even have the official price yet… It’s only a rumored price…
Of course IF E-M10’s price is too close to E-M5’s, you may be right. IF.
2 more days to wait, it’s not that long 😉
Several years old? It was introduced less than 2 years ago.
+1
If it’s main target is “premium compact upgraders”, then it has to be compared to Stylus 1, not E-M5 or E-M1.
The double zoom kit (14-42 + 40-150) is, for me, a clear hint that Olympus is building an upgrade path through it’s camera line:
XZ -> PEN (optionnal EVF)
Stylus -> OMD (included EVF, DSLR lookalike)
Exactly.
+1
so true!
I cant say that I appreciate the bidy of this new camera beeing less wide than EM5. I fear it might impare ergonomics since i ofter wished EM5 was a bit wider.
Wow – A comment a day ago said the EM10 was a whopping 2mm shorter than the EM5!
Nice camera. I might be interested if it gets down to $599 with kit lens. It’ll probably take a year or two after release.
I don’t really understand this camera, or the timing of the release. Originally, we’d heard that it would be a EM5 replacement. But now it appears to be a new model sitting below the EM5. Fair enough. That explains the removal of weather sealing and 3 axis instead of 5 axis stabilization. But since it is priced about the same as the current EM5, and overall IQ will likely be comparable, what happens to the EM5? The new one would need to be better, but not encroach on the EM1. It would seem to call for a $899-999 price tag. But what could Olympus add to justify the higher price, but maintain the EM1 status? Focus peaking? Sure. Mic jack? Maybe. More buttons, but not grip? This release seems poised to sell a lot of old EM5s! 🙂
So you already know the real price? Please tell us!
“Real price?” I’m just going by the rumors here which seem credible. If the EM10 is indeed very close in price to the EM5, they clash. On the other hand, if the 10 costs much less, or turns out to be ultra small, it makes more sense. If it replaces the EM5, I’d be disappointed. If it costs nearly as much as the current EM5, I’m still curious to see how that camera changes in order to sit between the EM1 and EM10.
This may just be a case if the OMD line reaching maturity and slowing its rate of innovation. Inevitable, I suppose. Maybe we’ll see some surprises this week. Also curious about the $99 fisheye cap.
The rumored price concerned the UK price and was rated FT3, that isn’t exactly a reliable rumor.
Beyond that, the E-M5 mrsp is likely going to be a bit below but close to the current lowest street price you can find for an E-M5, but unless you insist on having it on the first day of availability, its very unlikely you are going to pay mrsp for it, so the actual difference will be a bit bigger.
But, assuming its going to be the exact same price, you’d get a choice between:
– somewhat older technology but higher grade body, a bit larger and heavier.
– somewhat newer technology but lower grade body a bit smaller and lighter.
Actually, that is pretty much the norm, and something I’ve been using when buying electronics for decades now. Yes, you can typically buy a higher grade, but by now slightly older device for approx the same price as the lower grade model with the latest and greatest tech. I’ve used that a lot to get the higher grade models for reasonable prices, regardless of if we are talking audio, video, portable computer, phone, camera or whatever.
So, whats lacking currently is an updated E-M5 or E-M5 replacement, which will likely come in due time.
Indeed we don t have the price yet… We can only guess.
We have 3 bodies. Sorting them by price is easy:
Em10, em5, em1
But we’ll have 5 kits:
Em10+14-42
Em10+14-42 + 40-150 (we know the price of 40-150)
Em5+12-50 (we know that price)
Em5+12-40 pro
Em1+12-40 pro (we know that price)
Who wanna guess the missing prices now? 😉
It does appear that the released price of the E-M10 will be close to the retail price of the E-M5 after two years on the market. There is also a rumor of a refresh E-M5. So the two year old E-M5 is leaving the market and the “refresh” E-M5 will be in the market. It just might be price slightly higher than the “old” E-M5. We also don’t know how plentiful the E-M5 will be in the market. It just might be a little limited and this will keep the price a little higher.
Anyhow, the true E-M5 replacement will be released later this year. I am expecting it will have most of the features of the E-M1 but in a slightly smaller body and less direct controls. It will most likely be price around $1,000 USA. So thi will give Olympus three cameras in the OMD line-up with the E-M10 at about $700, the E-M5 II at $1,000 and the E-M1 at $1,300. Then in the Pen line for the USA just the E-PL5 or its replacmeent at $400.
Dave
I don’t believe Olympus has ever suggested it would be an E-M5 replacement, they have always said there would be a replacement for the E-M5 later, and that the next ‘E-M10’ would be a basic (Introductory model) body in the OM-D line.
That’s true. It has been conjecture here. At the rumored price point and current EM5 price, it seems like there is little room for a new and improved EM5 in the lineup.
There will always be issues with prices, purely due to the way technology develops so quickly. If a product retained it’s MRP everything would be overpriced by the time it is one month old, so whenever any manufacturer brings out a new model which is aimed at a lower price point to an existing model it will appear overpriced, nature of the beast, unfortunately.
As for myself I have an E-M1 with stock lens, E-M5 a year after release and E-P2 which travels with me at work.
Hmm… with this latest info about e-m10 not being weather sealed, even less options & utility with grip option and previous leaked specs such as only 3-axis ibis, this sounds more like the entry level om-d and less like a o-md e-m5 replacement or successor. It’s good to know the e-m5 will still be in production for a while longer. Get them while you still can.
Olympus has never said it will be an E-M5 replacement to begin with, rather, they always suggested the OM-D line will have entry, medium and high-grade bodies.
Now, obviously they could have changed their plans by now, so until we actually see an E-M5 replacement, we can’t be sure, but, considering previous statements from Olympus, a bit of basic marketing logic, and previously rumored specs, it was already pretty much clear this isn’t intended as a direct E-M5 replacement.
First off, I’m just making a comment based on what was posted about the E-M10 was a E-M5 replacement. That was info was spread on forums like this one (maybe on mirrorlessrumors, also) … may look a few posts earlier when the E-M10 info and images started to emerge. So, to that statement, I back up mine saying this doesn’t look to be a replacement for the E-M5.. if it was stated as so in some earlier post, which it was.
So, I agree this news right now goes in line with other reports that there would be an entry level OM-D.. which this one, so far, obviously is…not quite up to specs to the E-M5.
They would be smart to fit in another E-M5 model.. a true replacement with the weather sealing, 5-axis ibis, and all the right stuff that would make it fit correctly between the E-M1 & E-M10.
But, who knows what camera companies think of sometimes.. it just doesn’t make sense or add up and they could mix things up again from what we already know or would come to expect… just have to wait and see.
heh heh.. I’d like to take back part of my last statement.. looking back, I may have been led to infer that the E-M10 was a possible replacement for the E-M5 based on so much info and comparisons between the 2 models.
anyways, I like some of what they added or changed in the E-M10.. a tad bit more compact, have built in flash unit (pretty cool how it’s hidden and pops up much like the new Stylus 1), and other details.. not too crazy that they felt they needed to downgrade to just 3-axis ibis and lose the weather sealing, however.
If you compare the price and features to the E-M5, it’s so close, why wouldn’t you want to go with an E-M5 instead?.. may not be enough features to choose this over the E-M10… like-wise, in many cases, may not be enough features of the E-M1 to choose that over the E-M5.. I’ll admit the E-M5 is damn good for what it is and the value and there’s not much new or old that can offer that much more over an E-M5’s very capable package.
On board flash, smaller, wifi, focus peaking.
3 great features and pretty much a requirement for cameras in this class. Would that be enough to justify a price midway between EM10 and EM1? For me, probably not. But if it added more direct access controls (EM1 style), but kept the grip off as an option, along with those features, I think it could work. But it seems like overall IQ of the entire OMD line will remain very close. Maybe this is akin to Apple’s iOS device strategy of filling in all of the gaps in prices in a range with similar but slightly enhanced versions.
Where is the high end PEN in all of this? Another year away?
Its gonna be interesting to see what they’ll do with the PEN line after the E-M10. Currently there is the E-P5 which isn’t due for replacement just yet, but I wonder if there will be any direct replacement for it, rather, they may merge the most important features it has over the otherwise equivalent E-PL models into the later, and end up with just a PEN and a PEN mini sitting below the OM-Ds.
But who knows, maybe they get inspired and finally deliver a ‘real digital PEN F’, one with an integrated viewfinder once they are done with filling out and updating their OM-D line.
Anyway, I wouldn’t expect anything about a new E-Px until much later this year or next year, if at all.
Well yes, people on forums and in comments here have been speculating the E-M10 is a replacement for the E-M5, but I don’t seem to recall anything like a FT4/5 rumor here saying so, rather the opposite. Now, there may well be people ‘in the know’ posting on forums and in comments here, but generally admin has a good track record with regards to rating his rumors, whereas much of the speculation on forums is just that, speculation.
Anyway, a slightly older ‘one step up’ model is often an attractive alternative to a newer camera of a similar price, unless there was a major leap in technology inbetween maybe. The E-M10 first of all makes sense to me with the pancake 14-42 as a ‘mini OM-D kit’ for people new to the system, and its gonna be interesting to see if Olympus will also add that pancake zoom as a kit option for the E-M5 and when.
Just seen the 12-40 2.8 pro lens on amazon.co.uk for 738…
They will have a new EM-5 in late 2014 or 2015 that will feature the new Sony sensor that will up the dynamic range another stop from current levels with better colors too. Perhaps it will be the new Organic sensor Sony was working on.
What is your source, o wise prophet?
What is weather sealed? Do they publish the IP number? No? More marketing crap, more money parting with fools…
Actually, unlike most camera manufacturers, Olympus does publish them in the spec sheet included with their weather-sealed cameras.
Really? Never seen, link please, Olympus employee.
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support_manuals.asp?id=1583
page 116 in the english language one.
Can’t be bothered to look for the other ones, but its there for all the weather sealed ones.
The manual says “IPX1”, which means “Protected against falling water Equivalent to 3-5mm rainfall per minute for a duration of 10 minutes. Unit is placed in its normal operating position.”
The devil is in the details: “in its normal operating position”. IPX2 allows a tilt of 15 deg, higher IPXs allow more tilt.
Pretty much nothing then, but thanks anyway for the link.
So what is ‘normal operating position’? As you say the devil is in the details, but the proof is in the pudding. I suggest researching a bit how they perform in reality.
I do not make the rules myself – nor their texts; they come from pools of engineers. I happen to be one, and IPX1 is really no big deal.
“Do your research…” I love cheap smart arses 🙂
Seeing how you couldn’t be bothered to look before making dismissive suggestive comments, I think you are the cheap smartass here, and a bad mannered one for that matter.
Again, unlike most manufacturers, Olympus actually tells you the minimal spec its cameras comply with. Its fair to assume those who don’t tell do not even comply with the minimal requirements of IPX1.
Now, if instead of being a cheap smartass, you were an actual engineer, you’d not be making assumptions when you have access to the facts, and you’d see that different cameras comply with different specs, ie, the E-M1 complies with a higher spec then the E-M5, and the ‘tough’ series with yet another one.
Also once more, explain, what is ‘normal operating position’ for a camera? How bout if I add a portrait grip? All of a sudden the ‘normal operating position’ can be rotated by 90 degrees.. and yet it still complies. Please explain how that works mr engineer…
And again, the proof is in the pudding, many people have used this IPX1 compliant E-M5 and E-3/5 in torrential rains, rinsed them off under a tab to get rid of dirt or spilled sticky liquids etc, and actually, this works very well, even if the camera isn’t held exactly upright.
Shut it already. Eat your pudding and be happy, simple people are happy with simple things.
I would like to kick you out of your ‘normal operating position’ some time. Anyway, never had any problems with the E-M5 weather sealing. Even in heavy rain or ocean spray this camera keeps on going. Amazing.
Just stop “WeatherSealed”. Face the facts, you just got SONNED on a rumors site thread.
Yeah. That was well-deserved though.
I was really hoping for on chip phase detect.
Guess I will be using my L10k and E420 for another year. Perhaps Panasonic will satisfy my needs with the G7 🙂 But it’s good to see that Olympus brought back the integrated flash. That add-on thing that other models use is so stupid.
The add on flash is not so bad. I rarely use the flash because of the fast lenses. I have the clip-on flash with me most of the time because it is so small and fits easily in some corner of my photo bag. And at least you don’t have the problem of inadvertently poping up the flash 🙂
I agree that the built-in flash is more convenient, especially in wireless flash mode with additional flash units. It is much easier to just “flip up the flash” as in the E5 style and flash away. Don’t have to go looking for the tiny flash module, which always makes its way to the bottom of the bag, then remove two small plastic thingies (and not lose them!) and then attach the flash! Too cumbersome. I hope the flip-up flash becomes the norm again on the relacement for the E1, and others. I find the “accessory port” a bit redundant.
I agree the pop-up flash (in-built) is more convenient & useful than the accessories port. It works well on the Stylus 1 except for macro where flash is blocked altogether (they say it is because of lens shadow) & without the AP the expensive Olympus LED light arms can’t be used, but I’ve bought the JJC one instead (at a 1/4 of the price) that uses it’s own batteries. It’s a bit of a pain with the E-M5 arrangement of the accessories flash though & I think it would be a good move to abandon the AP on all OM-D’s from here & include the pop-up flash instead (& include a mic input on the body, like the E-M1, but that isn’t likely on this Entry Level E-M10 though).
Absolutely, the built-in flash is a nice touch. I never used or carried the add-on thingy, it stayed in the box. It’s simply hideous looking and not practical at all. It’s like Olympus designed the camera and only after the production started they realized that something was missing. Ah, we forgot the flash! Let’s see what we can do…
does it have same flimsy buttons as e-m5?
If you need rock solid buttons and dials, you need to look for a camera in a higher price category. Or develop your fine motor skills. Fisher Price sells some nice sturdy cameras too. My guess is that the E-M10 has about the same buttons and dials as the E-M5. Not very sturdy but I wouldn’t call them flimsy either. The buttons should feel much better then the mushy ones on the E-M5, because there’s no weather sealing.