Short note. I can confirm via 100% reliable sources that the official Olympus camera and lens presentation will be at 6am London time of Wednesday January 29. This is:
– 10pm Los Angeles time (still Jan 28 there)
– 1am New York time
– 7am (07.00) Berlin time
– 3pm (15:00) Tokyo time
Competition note: Fuji will announce the X-T1 at 4:30 London time tomorrow morning (Jan 28). If interested you can follow the event live at MirrorlessRumors.com (Click here).
P.S.: There is “something” more to come in early February….rumors soon 😉
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Hmmm. I’m in the market for an upgrade
I could get the GX7 or the EM5, or this if it’s cheap enough. Instinctively I suspect the GX7 will end up being the best value for money
Anyone got any thoughts?
They’re both quite capable. Decide if you want 5-axis (OMD) vs 2-axis (GX7) IBIS and which has the better handling for you (most notably center EVF vs tiltable corner EVF). Video on GX7 has better quality.
There is little point to buy this camera or to release it. There is too little savings in cost or in size, but lots to lose when compared to a proven E-M5!
5-axis IBIS alone justifies that little bit of extra cost to get the E-M5.
The better build and the weather proofing in the E-M5 will mean a camera that lasts longer.
You don’t want a battery with less capacity in this cameras, as battery capacity is already a weakness in the E-M5.
And you cannot use the HLD6 grips.
If you really like such a camera, wait 9 months, and it will drop to $499 with lens.
The GX7 is much newer technology than the EM5. It’s kind of a bad joke actually that Olympus sells the EM5 for a comparable price. The sensor inside is much better and the image stabilization can in many scenarios compete with the EM5 even though it is only two axis.
And if you are at all interested in video the GX7 kills the EM5 in quality.
I’ll grant you the video part, and the better resolution EVF (but with an extremely annoying short eye relief). , but the rest of your post is a joke really, especially the bit about the sensor being ‘much’ better.
Oh, and for those of us not living in a world where its nicely dry and fair weather all the time, that weather sealing thingy ‘kinda’ matters.
The E-M10 will be 5mm lower but 3mm wider than the Stylus 1 then.
And that would be 7.3mm lower & 2mm narrower than the E-M5.
but 100g heavier than a NEX-6, bigger and much weaker specs. For this price I would buy a NEX-6 or an EM-5. Olympus should finally make an affordable little body with rangefinder style EVF. Not an overpriced stripped down version of a 2 year old camera that can be had for the same price today. Total fail if you ask me.
That’s your choice but not that of those that would want a cheaper version of the OM-D. The Nex-6 to me is a bit like a flat plate with a handle on one side that you then need to put a heavy lens on. 😉
Soccer moms will buy a nikon 5200 or a canon 100D with double kit lenses for € 800/900… if and when the rep will show them the oly e-m10 they will dismiss it like a expensive toy
Only in backward countries like the USA. The civilised world sees things differently.
I’ll choose being frugal and uncivilized. Personally, many can’t just go out and plunk down $1000 bucks on a camera every time a new camera comes out to take pictures of their cats and shit. If being civilized means upgrading computer electronics every year, wasting money on products that will pollute the planet because they will end up in a landfill, supporting companies that overcharge consumers and perpetuate a materialistic world full of sheep then I am glad I live in the USA. Try not to act like your crap doesn’t smell, someone might mistake you for being an American.
Sadly that is the everyday practise in many electronic stores throughout the world.
Ha ha. “Soccer moms.” Implying, I am much smarter than they are! I spend much more money on my cameras and that proves my superiority and I have paid and therefore earned my arrogance.
So what if the soccer mom has two lenses, a larger format and hence better image quality with more true to life viewing and faster autofocus and writing, and has money left over. Ha ha, what an idiot that soccer mom is!
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Are there any wifi capabilities on board ?
Yes..well…let’s await the reviews I’d say. But I think the most likely thing I will do is waiting for the G7 and then make a decission. Little chance the 10 will be it. G7 or the Em1 are more likely.
No 25p, no buy
Who cares! It is highly unlikely the video specs would suddenly be upgraded in an entry model.
Because the crappest compacts are better equiped for video!
If you need video, buy a video camera, and stop whining that photo cameras aren’t perfect for video.
@mahler If you know a video camera with 5-axis sensor stabilisation, please tell me and i’ll stop whining
I PRAY the EM6 delivers!
All I want is EM5 with full range of HD video frame rates & in camera auto CA removal! – JOB done! – I consider these essential now…
If you want more, how about sync wifi for multiple cameras with definable offset triggering in 0.01sec accuracy.
Finaly RAW HDMI out.
These would make a KILLER camera… I have a wishlist much longer if you want the ultimate camera 😀
It is not about expecting a great video cam, there I agree.
But a simple thing as getting the frame rate right.
Surely if the processor can handle 30p it can handle 25p.
No one asked for all-in, best in class codecs, just the right f***ing frame rate.
It’s not about being perfect.
It’s about not being sub-par.
Having 25 fps is essential, even for non-professional occasional casual video shootings.
Obviously, if you need to do videography, you’ll get a proper video camera, but for many people, video is a nice addition for some cases that can be better caught as a video.
For those, locking to 30 fps ruins some videos completely, because in countries with 25Hz rates on their power circuitry, lighting that is based on that will flicker, and that looks really really bad.
Yes, this also ruins casual “vacation video” shots. And that’s unacceptable.
You can work around the flicker issues by picking the right shutter (1/50, 1/100 etc), but its silly that you have to, and its even more silly to expect ‘entry level’ users to know about this.
totally agree, no 24,25, etc… again
olympus go down
it is sad
+1000
Its a free world, you can decide what you need and want. You are even free to tell us all why you won’t buy this or that camera. Ain’t that wonderful? 🙂
That’s also interesting it is using the BLS-5 battery as that used in the E-PL5 (& Stylus 1). The screen size given doesn’t indicate whether it is 3:2 or 16:9 & that could be either perhaps, because the E-PL5 uses the 16:9 screen.
That’s another point that rules out the possibility of the HLD-6 grip being usable with it.
Does it do video with IBIS?
If no -> Dead!
would be great if it does, the smallest and best stabilized for handheld video.
mmm being in the UK i’m wondering why I should get this over the EM5… since price will be very close??? strange move from Oly…
Are comparing new price with street price?
Yes – the price I can buy it for??? what other price should i use?
The real price when it’s known?
Don’t forget it doesn’t have 5 axis IBIS. OTH it might be partly metal, to help with heat dispersion.
Other forgotten feature of the E-M5: 100,000 actuations shutter.
Oh nice – missed that!
Especialy good for timelapse mutants….
Old E-1/3/5 was 150k! i guess the EM1 is similar???
I’m using the GM-1 for my time lapses with the built in intervalometer. At the moment it is not worse than my separate intervalometer that I was using with my E-M5. Don’t need IBIS for timelapses (you should shut it off). Downside is battery life on the GM-1.
And the shutter on the EM5 is much quieter than on the EPL5 (and assume EPM2). Possibly due to the weather sealing and all metal body of the EM5.
It will be interesting to see how the EM10 compares, but I suspect its an EPL5 with a built in EVF, and perhaps improved IBIS.
I’d think E-PL6, but otherwise, yes, thats pretty much what it is when looking at the specs.
So how does this compare to the E-M5 exactly? Not quite sure where Olympus is going with the OM-D lineup, and where this E-M10 fits in.
It is simple:
E-M10: low end model
E-M5: mid-tier model
E-M1: high end model
The next E-M5 will probably some features, none of the previous OM-D bodies had, just starting a new product generation.
I think everyone on these forums believes the same thing. But if that were the case, why didn’t they make this the EM100 with the EM5 replacement being the EM10? I have been told repeatedly there will be three lines in the OMDs as if that is fact.
Probably because they are following the original OM nomenclature instead.
And that has been answered about as many times.
If so many people believe it and state it to be the case, then clearly it must be true.
Maybe it’s just ‘so many people’ have applied a little bit of intelligent thinking.
But you repeating your point of view more often makes it more true…
Matter of fact is, we don’t know, but we have a few things to go by:
– OM, E-system DSLRs and m4/3 cameras all use different naming/numbering schemes
– E-M10 and E-M1 leave a big gap between them, both in specs and price
– Olympus has at various times hinted at a 3 tier setup for the OM-D line
4 generations later Oly has got a problem.
The same problem existed in the old OM line for the single digit models, and for 4/3 with the single digit E-x models. You are right, but this doesn’t seem to have prevented such numbering schemes in the past, and nor does it for competitors like Nikon and Canon, where Canon actually solved it by just keeping the model numbers the same for the next generation.
It’s a true entry level OM-D then. The E-M5 has superior specs in every important aspect: stabilization, build, weather sealing, heft and battery juice. The E-M10 might not fit the HLD-6 either.
EM5 is easily the better buy, same EVF and better IBIS only slightly older processor. At least the lenses are better priced if bought together with the camera (if they perform well enough)
Better go for that Elite E-M5 kit with the 12-40 (f2.8) lens then. 😉
What about weatherproofing and IBIS (3- vs. 5-axis)?
At that price better to get an E-M5 or GX7. It’s not like the E-M5 is that big anyhow.
+1
E-M10 has to go under 400 euros.
Let’s see… you can get the E-M10 with a two lens kit:
M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 EZ $335
M.ZUIKO DIGITAL 25mm F1.8 $342
Total for both lenses: $667
That means you are getting the E-M10 for only $408.
To me, (IMO) you are getting E-M10 for a fantastic price!
Getting a camera with IQ the same as the E-M5/M1 for $408, what a deal!!!
Getting a camera like that WITH both of those lenses for about $999, incredible.
Two-lens kit is 14-42 and 40-150. 40-150 goes for $99 new (with camera), $119 without camera. Good lens though.
14-42 II goes for less than $100 on ebay, $50 in some kits. Not the same as 14-42EZ, but does the same job.
You must admit, for a person trying to step up from a P&S camera, this Two-lens kit (14-42 and 40-150) all for about $999 is a good bang for the buck. Also, for all those who want to upgrade their old/obsolete, lower IQ 12MP M4/3 cameras for only $799 would be a good deal? I wouldn’t doubt it going for $699 about 3-4 month after it’s release date with even more interesting kit lens systems becoming available. My only concern is that it will still suffer from the same ‘shutter shock’ issue as the other premium m4/3 cameras are having, which will be a deal major breaker for me. If this issue is proved to be resolved, I will definitely be interested in it, but only if it gets extremely positive expert/user reviews of course.
I see that the base ISO is 200 and the max shutter speed is 1/4000. What a shame.
This is one of the biggest issues with MFT for me personally. I just hate juggling ND’s and with my G1 I found myself having to do just that for one shot in three and this new camera will be even worse as at least the G1 has a base of 200.
Why, Olympus and Panasonic, can’t we have a base ISO of 100 not a hobbled 100 made from 200 with reduced DR and clipped highlights.
We have all these lovely wide aperture lenses but using them in daylight at ISO 200 can mean being limited to f5.6 or even smaller or juggling lens hoods, bags, ND cases and ND’s.
Buy those lovely f1.4 and 1/8 lenses and shoot at f8…. Oh well… No thanks and no sale.
You can increase the shutter speed aslo 🙂
Beyond 1/4000?
Olympus state that the max shutter speed is 1/4000 and if you know how to make the camera shoot faster…
Consider that Oly’s 200 ISO, with Sony’s 16 MP sensor, is measured as a real 100 ISO (see DxOmark for example), so it’s not a problem7
GM1 with 1/16000 shutter… problem solved.
+1 woof woof, exactly what I was thinking… though personally I wouldn’t even mind the ‘hobbledx’ iso 100.
Ok if it will cost 80.000 YEN (570€) body only but… shot speed 1/4000 (ooh noo, we lost 1/8000)…and I hope it has live view in long exposure at least and wifi control.
I’m not entirely convinced we will see the field trials.
Way too expensive for this body, e-m5 is now cheaper yet still better.
It’s what I expected. An E-M5 with new image processor and higher resolution display. But what shame that it hasn’t ISO 100 or better video performance. And I don’t think that it has the 2×2-lever. So it should be really well priced!
E-M10: 119.1 x 82.3 x 45.9 mm
Stylus 1: 116 x 87 x 57 mm
E-M10 is not smaller. Stylus 1 is higher, but narrower. The depth depends on the lens used… E-M10 is certainly not E-PL5 sized as was rumored.
Specs are not full, flash specs are missing for example, but so far do not look promising – no ISO100, 1/4000 max shutter speed, 30p video… Combine that with almost no grip and you get quite a disappointing camera. Let’s hope they at least price it low so that it becomes a competitor to Canon EOS 100D, Sony A3000 and the like.
To Miroslab.
Above picture was updated. Initially it had been created only based on hotshoe size, but right after this post I was updated it. You are right. And updated picture is similar size of my previous compare: http://dicahub.com/2014/01/23/size-comparison-of-olympus-e-m10-vs-e-m5-vs-e-m1
Check this also: http://dicahub.com/2014/01/26/newer-size-comparison-for-om-d-e-m10-and-mzd-25mm-f18-with-e-m1-e-m5-stylus-1-leica-dg-25mm-f14-mzd-primes
Thanks~ 🙂
IT’S AN ENTRY F**KING CAMERA !!!
Let’s get things straight here for a moment. I’m no fanboy but you people are getting ridiculous with your expectations. If you’re disappointment that it doesn’t have 1/8000 like the EM1, or have weather sealing like the EM1, or ISO 100 (not many cameras have this nowadays, why should the EM10 have it ?) then maybe what you want is an EM1!
Why should Olympus put high end features in an entry level model ? what would be the difference between models then ? just price ? You people have become unrealistically too spoiled to the point where you have no clue about product categorization or demographics, you just want an EM1 for cheaper, GET REAL.
Also, stop using conversion rates from EURO or YEN prices to US !!! EURO or YEN prices WON’T be applied to the US price, just like it has been for every other release before this one, If it’s EURO $100 it’ll be USD$100 not USD$136 (by today’s conversion rate)!
That said, Olympus should once and for all swallow their pride and offer a PEN with EVF, the OMD line/design just doesn’t attract everyone (i.e. all those thousands who went with a GX7, NEX 6/7, Fuji X) it’s just ridiculous seeing how they’ve become the only (relevant) mirrorless manufacturer to NOT offer a RF-inspired camera with EVF. And they should really lower their prices and invest in marketing, it would serve them better than solely starving for high margins at the high end.
ENTRY F**KING CAMERAS cost 250-450 euros with kit lens, not 570 body only. And that’s straight yen to euro conversion 80000 / 140 = 570 .
Stop doing straight conversions! that’s not how the price is set, it hasn’t been in the past nor will it be now. This will not be priced based on the YEN/EURO conversion rate! if it’s 100 Euro it’ll be 100 bucks, that’s how it’s always been. It might be horrendously priced OR NOT, we just don’t know, we can only speculate on the merits of the camera as an entry model based on the specs, and in that respect this is a fairly good entry level camera.
Now, tell me, what do you get on your precious 250-450 euro entry DSLR ? Do you get 3 axis IBIS ? NO. Do you get same sensor as higher end models ? NO. Do you get WIFI ? NO. Do you get tilt screen ? NO. Do you get built-in sensor cleaning ? NO. Do you get WYSIWYG live preview on screen AND evf ? NO. Do you get focus peaking ? No. Do you get higher than entry level build quality ? NO (OMD cameras are higher tier than PENs regardless of status, and pens were already better built than most crappy entry DSLRs). Do you get limitless adaptability ? NO. Do you get lenses exclusively built for your sensor size ? hardly any. Do you have any other company other than the original manufacturer making compatible/complementary bodies for your system ? NO. This list goes on and on…
So yeah, even though I hate the OMD line and Olympus might be too stubborn at times, the EM10 still sounds like a pretty good deal, at least compared to your crappy 250 Euro DSLR (and even to 570 EURO DSLRs).
Hi.
Don’t forget that OOC jpegs from Olympus are really great, and that’s a real point for a P&S upgrader (no, a P&S upgrader won’t spend 30min/pic on a RAW editing prog…
FYI 250 euro entry level ILC is not a DSLR, it’s mirrorless – Sony A3000. It doesn’t have movable LCD, nor IBIS, but its kit lens has OS and its sensor is very competitive. Of course E-M10 should cost more because it offers more, but it shouldn’t be two times more.
But let’s continue the conversation on Wednesday, when E-M10 prices are announced.
Don’t kid youself a Rebel is more bang for buck than this EM10…
N.B. rebel has sensor cleaning, has a reasonable sensor and has lenses spacificly made for its size… by multiple manufactures.
Also 18Mpix and stereo input jack…
And as for $100=100euro that will = £120! UK gets hit hard on price!
It has a worse sensor, second dial, is bigger, and the kit lenses are pretty crappy.
If all you care about is sensor size and having a well recognized brand, the rebel is better, else its a different price/performance compromise
You got the wrong guy… I’m just saying entry level and cheap Canon have got the 1 up…
And I pointed out how those rebels have a worse controls, sensor and likely lenses and are less convenient, and hence don’t have a one-up, they have a different price/performance compromise.
Does anyone know if camera will have an anti aliasing filter?
So what is the big deal with this EM10? Looks to me the PL6 & PEN5 already filled this gap. Who is this cam for?
It’s my theory that Olympus is using the EM10 to maintain the Prices of the higher spec’d cameras in the line. by releasing high grade cameras first they use the lower models to maintain the higher Prices of the higher spec’d omd’s. No one complains if the Price of the two year old EM5 with it’s better specs and weather sealing remains relatively high in relation. And same for EP5 and EM1. seems to work for them.
Yes, 2 cameras that are utterly different and lack it’s most prominent features “already fill this gap.”
Use your head.
I have a E-P3 and 3 Olympus prime lenses and 2 zoom lenses. At first I think I’ll upgrade to E-M10 from my E-P3. After reading the spec, 1/4000 s shutter speed, 200 base ISO, 3 axis IBIS, I think I’ll pass it. E-M1 is great in spec but ugly in outlook. E-M5 and E-M10 look great but the spec is not enough for me.
I’m considering to switch to Fuji X-T1. Olympus, you did a bad job to retain your loyal consumer.
The X-T1 is rumored to max at 1/4000 too and will not have any kind of IBIS. It will have other advantages (and disadvantages).
Andy, wait for the E-M5 II this year. I dont see the point to spend money for completely new system. It doesnt make sense to me. Unless you are rich and you dont know how to spend your moeny better 🙂
IF the rumors about the new Fuji XT-1 are true, a lot of oly and pana shooters will change boat, the steep price of the oly 25 1.8 and the ridicolous video specs of the E-M10 are really a sell stopper!
I’m in the same position then you Andy, but i dont get your point.
I also have the E-P3, and looking for an update, and i also got some lenses for the system.
The step up to an Om-D (which isnt important) is a great update form the image quality size, and its also an update from features, like more buttons, better dial, faster focus, better IBIS etc. So i dont see why you are not happy by the updates that you could get. so your only complain is the look of the camera? Well, the E-P5 is really close to the look of the E-p3, and got lots of updates as well… and the look of the E-m1, it looks much better in real live than on the internet 😉
Now the last point, if your, the rumord x-t1 is rumored at 1300$, so its the same price than the E-m1, why do you compare it to the low end camera from Olympus? And again, why arent you look at the Pana Bodys as well, the GX7 is also a great update from the e-p3…
So dear Oly, great work with the E-m10, looks promesing, you did a good job retain your loyal consumer- please make a good kit price with the 25/1.8 😉
and thanks that you went the way for the small battery- i think this is a smart move, because the upgrade from old Pens can use some of the gear they already own 😉
+1000
Great reply Tim!
People just don’t make sense out of their own comments! How on earth are you (Andy) comparing the $1300 Fuji X-T1 with the entry level EM10 ? ¨1/4000 s shutter speed, 200 base ISO, 3 axis IBIS¨ None of those complaints are going to get resolved by changing systems however good the X-T1 might be. If you want to improve on any of those issues you’re better off expanding your already existing m43 system and going with either an E-P5 (basically an E-M1, without WS and PDAF, disguised as your E-P3) or just outright buying an EM1 (same range as the X-T1).
As TheTree said, wait for the EM5 MKII or see if Oly does a FW update with the new EM5 kit that’s out sooner. Do you REALLy need to upgrade so urgently ? what harm can waiting for a few months do ? Is your E-P3 falling apart ? Being patient pays off a lot in this hobby.
Yo, the EVF is 1.44 million, not 144 million dots. It’s 800*600 pixels.
Absolutely nothing special.
If you do care about size, get an GM1.
If you want features and ergonomics, better think about an E-M1 (or a GX7).
That’s because it is the entry level in the OM-D line.
What did you expect ?
I am amazed at all the people on here complaining that the lowest model in the line doesn’t have better specs than the higher versions.
Then they compare the release price against the depreciated price of a 2 year old camera and say it is too expensive.
Give it six months and this will have a lower price than the E-M5.
Until the E-M5 mark 2 comes out then the whining will begin again that it is not better than the E-M1 in every way.
Its basicly a restyled EPL5 with a VF… thats why its not hot… oh and the EM1 image processing that is the only “new” feature is nothing worth talking about over the EPL5… not like 1/2 stop of sensor ISO would be – or say full range of video framerates!
Oh my, an entry-level camera not introducing a whole slew of new features, horrible, absolute disaster, the sky is falling!
This could be a replacement for the E-PL5/6 but then it’s larger. Otherwise I would still prefere the E-M5, E-P5 with VF4 or if you’ve enough money to spent the E-M1.
I don’t really get the target of this camera, except the E-PM and E-PL people. But do those really want this size?
Do you understand the difference between the Canon Rebel series and the Canon xxD and the Canon xD.
Well this is the equivalent of the Canon Rebel, the E-M5 is the equivalent of the xxD and the E-M1 is the equivalent of the xD as the pro camera in the range.
That wasn’t so complicated was it.
Any rumors on the G7 yet, Admin?
I was hoping for a weatherproof alternative to
The GM1 size-wise – what a pity…
Have you actually held the GM1 in your hand ? IT’S UNBELIEVABLY TINY !!! The OMD line has nothing in common with the GM range, they’re targeted at different users, simply put, there’s no way an OMD camera could reach that size while still being called an OMD, the EM10 is the bare minimum for an OMD model.
You could (BARELY) put an EVF on the GM1 but that wouldn’t make it an OMD type camera, there’s more to it than that, besides, ergonomics would suffer beyond what’s an already compromised layout.
Maybe it’s just me, but… What’s “Autonomy”? Intervalometer? Some new feature?
Ah, judging by the number I guess that’s battery life 😀
How is this better than the EP5?!
It’s not meant to be. Who said it was? This OM-D E-M10 would be on a similar level to the PEN E-PL5 except it is an OM-D & OM-D’s include an EVF built in.
Nice that the video bitrate is bumped up to 24 Mbps from 20 on the E-M5 and E-P5.
Considering the use of the BLS-5 battery and the probable absence of weather-sealing, it’s just the missing link in the OM-D range, it is to the E-M5 what the E-PL5 is to the E-P5.
The BLS-5 though is a blow as it means it can’t be used as a backup by someone already owning an E-M1 or E-M5.
It is however an upgrade path for E-PM/L owners.
It’s just a “cheap” entry point into the OM-D line, not meant at all for current OM-D owners.
“Can’t” be used as a backup to an E-M1 or E-M5?????
He meant Battery-wise. You could in the broader sense of the word but it’ll be cumbersome because they use different batteries.
Hey admin, can you please fix the comments? It’s 2014, it’s really annoying that I lose my comment text every time I forget to enter the captcha or get it wrong … or at least put the Submit button below the captcha, so I don’t forget to enter it.
just simply register on 43rumors ..simple as that
Always copy yout text before submitting, thats the lesson I have learned.
Where is this elusive CAPTCHA feature? I saw it once, weeks ago.
Hmmm, specs wise is doesn’t seem that appealing. What I am curious about is if this has focus peaking. Something important to me for evfs. From the body design too…especially the grip part…maybe the e-m5 grip can be used on this as well?
[QUOTE]What I am curious about is if this has focus peaking[/QUOTE]
I hope too, I use a lot of old old lens
Only 30p – Sorry Olympus no sale. Shame.
Instead, I’ll go with the Panasonic GX7.
Wow, this looks great to me as an entry point into the OM-D lineup!
The range of cameras here — from the more Pro-style EM-1 to the midrange EM-5 to the entry-level EM-10 — is great. Good to see the full lineup, and in the future, hopefully improvements will come along with new firmware and hardware. And the lens roadmap looks great!
Panasonic has some great things too, and more to come. What a great time for the micro 4/3 system! Plus, the new stuff from Fuji and Sony really seems to be ushering in a new age of mirrorless cameras!
Good stuff, I’d say!
this specs are shame
current em5 evf, same senzor, no weather proof, no 5ibis,same max shutter …and price tiny lower then current mrsp of EM5
but I understand that the target customer is m43 newbie
but till really available on market …the gx7 body is on 700eur level …presently I think somewhere 799
I am oly owner but disapointed more and more
So Oly doesn’t make anything that doesn’t disappoint you??? Why do you own one? Look on the plus side – it did give you something to whine about:)
For all the good things Olympus has done to photography, this is an embarrassment!
I loathe Olympus marketing strategy like any other guy, but, you DO understand that this is an ENTRY LEVEL CAMERA and that there are higher end alternatives, right ? If you aren’t pleased with the specs then go and buy an EM5 or an EM1 or just wait for the EM5 MKII/EM6…Gosh you people are insufferable !
Admin, next time use BOLD lettering and explicit phrases that emphasize the nature of a camera release, these airheads don’t have enough grey matter to pull off this level of reading comprehension.
if EM10 is priced like entry level camera in EUR …than nobody will whine about it
AMVR
Love the way you defend Olympus here. It is admirable and you make some good points.
However, please accept that there are other photographers and user of Olympus gear who may know something as well.
I own a good deal of Olympus glass and support the company but many of us see more than a marketing strategy failure.
There are simply to many camera bodies out there from Olympus which are not price / performance competitive.
It drains the company resources and contribute to its losses, which is bad for anyone who believes in the system.
So, let me say it again:
There is NOTHING absolutely nothing this camera contributes to the Olympus ecosystem.
It is not cheap. Is has no new technology. No new design or performance enhancements, nothing.
It is insignificantly smaller than the E-m5, that’s it, and I mean insignificantly smaller.
No one will notice the size difference.
“However, please accept that there are other photographers and user of Olympus gear who may know something as well.”
This isn’t about knowing something, but about opinions on what this camera is. Since it is unannounced for now, unless you happen to work for Olympus there is nothing you know about this specific item that others don’t or can’t know. Its about you having a totally different opinion on the market position of such a camera.
“I own a good deal of Olympus glass and support the company but many of us see more than a marketing strategy failure.”
How much Olympus glass you own has exactly zero to do with the general market position of the E-M10, it has to do with if it is attractive to you in the light of lenses you already happen to own, but has absolutely zero relevance beyond that.
“There are simply to many camera bodies out there from Olympus which are not price / performance competitive.”
That is still an opinion and nothing more.
“It drains the company resources and contribute to its losses, which is bad for anyone who believes in the system.”
First that is based on an opinion, and second, presenting it as ‘fact’ requires access to internal sales data that you do not have, so again, you don’t know, you have yet another OPINION.
“So, let me say it again:
There is NOTHING absolutely nothing this camera contributes to the Olympus ecosystem.”
So let me say again, you offer an opinion, nothing more. Fine, as your opinion is as good as any other, at least initially, but it isn’t fact and it isn’t an absolute truth.
I am here commenting and giving our opinion on a rumors site.
Please give us yours.
Maybe instead of blasting amvr, you should learn to present your opinion as opinion instead of acting as if its the absolute truth?
As for my opinion, this is about the kit and the body only price isn’t very important, because the very very large majofity of customers buys such a camera as a kit. As a kit with the 14-42 it makes a lot of sense as a small dslr alternative with interchangeable lenses.
Beyond that, conplain all you want about the mrsp, but realize that most people aren’t going to pay mrsp for the body so comparing it to street prices of other cameras simply shows lack of common sense.
He’s not defending Olympus; he’s defending common sense.
So many people are complaining about how this *entry level* camera is missing this or that, or that it doesn’t include the features of cameras that cost $500.
It’s a sensible entry into a not-entirely-sensible camera lineup, but Oly is throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.
It’s really not that different from what every other camera manufacturer on earth is doing right now.
At least it has 24Mbps.
Does it have 5 axis IBIS or not? If so, it will be the GX7 killer, regardless of just having 30p.
5 previous stories have reported that it does not have 5-Axis.
I wonder how good the 3-axis will be?
If it’s good, I may consider it for video use while waiting for the successor to the EM5.
Still the same old tiny not so good sensor. Its a shame. M43 should do better.
Still the same tiny brain in your head too. When will it be replaced with one with some intelligence?
+1
Well, I don’t know what you folks are all complaining about. This is a great camera, and rounds out the current OM-D technology lineup with a nice, small, hopefully less expensive camera.
I have an OM-D EM-1 with the 12-40 PRO lens on it most of the time, and I was looking for a small, lightweight second “grab and go” camera, and this one looks awesome, especially with the new compact zoom lens.
Sure, it’s not breaking technological frontiers, but that’s not what this camera is about. That will be the EM-5 Mark II and the EM-1 Mark II, which I hope we see later this year or early next. In the meantime, this is a pretty sweet small machine, with built in EVF. If the price is right, this will be an awesome little camera.
Some people can’t be pleased, no matter what! This will be a nice ‘new’ OM-D entry model, mostly for new comers (up-graders from P&S) & up-graders from E-PMx models etc that want the EVF built in. For those looking at a second body, so long as the battery type is not concerning (not the same as other OM-D’s) & the E-M5 determined not to be a better buy (according to personal choice & requirements), then this should be good. A few more known specs & actual price will show where it fits in for prospective buyers.
Not everyone has the same requirements & I went for the Stylus 1 to add to my kit & it’s been a great addition. Others have to have the best & the latest now & some seem to expect everything in every model (no matter the level intended) & like to have a good whinge about it. Anyhow, it can be entertaining (or just plain tiring). 😉
Are you basically saying then that the EM-1 is not small or lightweight, and too inconvenient to grab and go?
Compared to a DSLR, no. Compared to 90% of other m43 cameras (except the GH3), yes.
Actually, I didn’t get the E-M1 last year (when my order came in) but went for the Stylus 1 instead & that’s been really great as a ‘grab & go’ camera with some quite nice results. I asked myself if I really needed the E-M1 (when I had my bags packed to run away from nearby bush fires) & realised a lot of my photos would be served well with the Stylus 1.
As translated from the source :
“The presence or absence of dust and water content and in the body image stabilization, there is no information yet unfortunately”
Not really full specs is it….
Does the EM-10 have a pop-up flash? Hard to tell by the picture. Is it mentioned anywhere?
Yes, I’ll put my money on pop up flash.
Yes, I believe it does & would need to since there is no accessories port. The Flash appears to pivot from the sides of the hotshoe (like their DSLR’s) & also raises the ‘Olympus’ name on the front as well, which is unusual for Olympus cameras that I know of.
Wait, what? BLS-5, like the one in E-PL5, not BLN-1 as in OM-D? And no weather-sealing kind of lame for the price.
Where’s the confirmation about no weather sealing?
Given the way Olympus usually implements weather-sealing and the buttons used on the back of the E-M10 (similar to the E-PL), it seems highly unlikely it will be weather-sealed.
And where’s the confirmation on the price.
So basically what I see is an overpriced “entry level” camera. With new EM-5 cameras in the same price range I don’t really see and point for this realease at this price.
Hmm specs wise it looks like a 2 years old Sony NEX-6 to me. But compared to the NEX it’s bigger, heavier, has a smaller sensor, much worse EVF, non flip-back flash and much worse video. Seriously, with specs like that you don’t impress the soccer moms which are the obvious target users of this camera.
Too expensive as well if rumors are true. More than 5 years of M43 and Olypus never gets it right…
NEX6 is much much better and had a much much larger sensor. M43 camera’s should cost 350 euro at the most. Above that price its APSC land and M43 can not compete with APSC.
@Mony
Sure, because Soccer moms are all about specs and gear-wanking…get real. Soccer moms don’t know sh*t about sensor sizes or anything close to that level of geek-speech. This is an entry level camera, with no price confirmation. The NEX6 is a discounted camera that basically improved upon the high end NEX7, how are these two cameras even comparable ? The NEX6 grants you access to a shi*ty system with no manufacturer support, no recognizable wide 3rd party support either, crappy interface, no built-in IS, DSLR-sized lenses, etc…The EM10 is an entry to a widely supported system, both lens-wise and body-wise, a HUGE lens catalog, industry-leading technology unique to this platform, etc…
As for Viezevure:
Can you GTFO of this site !? Your IP should be banned for eternity from 43rumors, seriously.
¨NEX6 is much much better and had a much much larger sensor. M43 camera’s should cost 350 euro at the most. Above that price its APSC land and M43 can not compete with APSC.¨
APSC-land !? WTF is that ? What sort of pathetic basement-dwelling life style are you living ? There’s no such cr*p as APSC-land, people don’t give a fck about sensor size, they just care about convenience and features and APSC sucks at both. M43 can’t compete with APSC !? ARE YOU FCKING KIDDING ME !? Do you know anything about cameras ? Do you realize the difference between m43 and APSC (Exposure value, ISO, DOF, IQ, etc) is negligible AT BEST ? At least the other trolls used FF as bait, you’re clearly the dumbest of them. Any sort of advantage APSC might THEORETICALLY have is either practically imperceptible or negated altogether by improved sensor technology, fast (f0.95) lenses and/or the speedbooster. FF has earned its place in the industry, APSC has not, there’s no real justification for its existence anymore (mirrorless was a nice attempt but lenses are still HUGE, so yeah, nice try), even Canikon agrees with this (where are your APSC lenses ? APSC doesn’t seem so convenient now that FF is getting cheaper).
You either go m43 for portability and versatility or straight to Medium Format for maximum IQ, there’s no middle ground IMO.
Nice trolling attempt, now go and jump into a meat grinder.
Don’t get trolled. He just spends a few seconds for his troll posts and you waste your time with a real answer he probably doesn’t even read.
Don’t worry, he can’t even understand he’s comparing a whole system (m43) to a non normalized sensor size (APSc)…
PREACH!
AMVR – fighting the good fight, using the shield of critical thinking and the sword of common sense.
This guy Viezevure is a complete idiot. In his ignorance he thinks apsc is much bigger than m43…. hahahaha….
But he dreams about m43 cause he doesn’t miss a single post here….
AMVR
The only person who should GTFO is you and it is you who should be banned from this site.
You are very rude and slander anyone who has the slightest negative comment about this camera.
What is wrong with you?
Take a deep breath before posting anything further.
Difference between fact and opinion being difficult is something you already demonstrated, but evidently you also have difficulties with the difference between someone posting an opinion and someone trolling. Hint, it has to do with intention and repeatedly demonstrating that intention.
I suggest you read his comments again.
There is a significant difference between reply to somebody who is trolloing and slander everybody for the slightest negative comments about the camera.
I replied earlier to his comments today about his passionate defense of Olympus however as I continue to read his other comments to anyoneeho had but the slightest negative comments about the camera he would continue rambling and slander pretty much regardless of what had been said or if the comment was valid.
Now, also go dig a bit into Vievezule’s comments and you’ll quickly see that AMVR is totally spot on with his troll comment.
With regards to your post above and the reply to AMVR, sorry but you do not know the price, and the UK price is an FT3 rumor, hence its not very reliable (that is what the FT3 says), you don’t know the real price, even less so the US and EU prices, and neither do we, but the specs make it quite clear this camera is below the E-M5 with regards to market position, and hence an ‘entry level’ OM-D. Entry-level doesn’t mean below $400 or such, it means a more affordable way to get into the system.
I replied to your post above, pointing out how you are rather presenting rumor and opinion as fact and absolute truth, but that is still in moderation. Maybe it would help to present your opinion for what it is, an opinion? Maybe it would help to regard an FT3 rumor for what it is (not so sure yet) instead of presenting it as ‘the truth’?
Yes I agree, some comments are silly and to a degree uninformed.
At the same time MMVR is being excessive/rude and not everyones comments/points and views are wrong.
Many of us long-term Olympus users are often surprised by how expensive its cameras are when announced.
(at least UK/EU)
Some cameras deserve a higher price tag.
One can argue the the E-M5 and E-M1 are such cameras and even GH3, GX7 and NEX-7. (or pick your model)
They introduce new technology, build quality, IQ, design or video quality & features.
Looking at the E-M10, I see nothing of this.
If the “rumored” price are any indications, then I would state that this is a relative pointless effort by Olympus.
If by chance, I am wrong and the sale price of the E-M10 is significantly below indicated prices, I will stand corrected.
At least by then, then are offering a new feature we have not see from Olympus for a while; new inexpensive camera*.
(* this is different from old models/sensors sold at inexpensive prices)
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This is a rumors site (mostly) and as such we are commenting rumors with our own opinions.
So what exactly did the GX7 introduce that is so groundbreaking that it justifies a 300 pound higher price a mere 2 months ago? And do people actually pay that price now? The ønly real difference being the evf and for the minority actually caring, better video.
The E-M10 is first of all about the 14-42 kit when it comes to sales, and really, regardless of if you want it personally, you must be totally blind to miss the attractiveness of the weight and size of an e-m10 with that pancake zoom.
Maybe its not for you, and it certainly is not for me, but honestly, is it this extremely difficult to step over that and lookat where it fits in? I’d rather say its totally blatantly obvious where it does.
LOL
why do you get offended so much by other peoples opinion?
Because M43 is the only right choice in your microcosmos? It’s 2014 not 2010, Sony also has a system and some very usable lenses. Not as many as M43, but who want’s to own 25 lenses of which half of them only has a different speed. And buying a Panasonic body doesn’t give you any image stabilisation with Olympus lenses as IBIS is missing in most bodies. On Olympus bodies Panasonic lenses aren’t optically corrected and you have to carry around OIS and IBIS at the same time.
Panasonic and Olympus better would have spoken with each other to make a “system” instead of just using the same mount and sensor size. This “system” thing is a MYTH.
I’ll stick with Sony now, M43 users are getting too pathetic for me. I’m Atheist and don’t wanna get part of any religion.
Getting offended by opinions is clearly wrong, but this is first about people, you included, posting things that are factually incorrect and that you could have verified easily.
Just a small example from your post, lumix lenses on an olympus body. First of all, OPTICAL correction isn’t a function of the canera, but of the lens. What the camera does however is correct residue distortion and optionally CA. When using a lumix lens on an olympus body, the distortion correction happens, and depending on the model the ca correction also happens. Wrt stabilization, the system supports both ois and ibis indeed, please explain how offering choice makes it less of a system.
Beyond that, most m4/3 users don’t have this silly urge to go to sonyalpharumors to post negative and badly informed crap about things they don’t use, so why do you have this unstoppable urge to come here to do just that? Because you think you need to save the world or something? Go get a life.
‘Something’ coming in early Feb, as in the GH 4K (and Sony’s NEX-6/7 successor).
This will be a great camera. Essentially the same 16MP image quality of its older brother the EM-5 and of its even bigger fat-arsed (for micro 4/3) brother the EM-1. Of course, it’s the same image quality of the next couple generations of OM-Ds as well, since Olympus is for some reason stuck there.
It lacks a couple non essential and somewhat trivial features for every day picture taking: super duper image stabilization and weather proofing. But its results will be indistinguishable.
Olympus is getting back to its roots by offering a smaller, lighter camera with the ersatz prism finder, roots meaning micro 4/3 cameras should be small and lightweight, or else why put up with it? Best of all, the new Olympus is cheaper than the EM-5, and much cheaper than a pudgy boy I will not name but whose initials are EM1. This will allow Olympus to stand out more as a contender against the so far much better value DSLR competitors.