Image courtesy: Engadget
Engadget reports that the GH 4K camera will be officially launched in February and cost less than $2,000:
“UHD content can be recorded at 200 Mbps, and output in a full live feed via a mini-HDMI port (thanks to ALL-I Intra mode) to display on a computer or record to a hard drive. Of course, the Micro-Four Thirds shooter can save footage straight to an SDXC card — a UHS Class 3 prototype variant tuned for such a task was on display — though space will run out fairly quickly. There’s no word how many megapixels the cam totes, but it will be able to simultaneously snap photos while recording video. “
Great news! 
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So could the original $3xxx price tag be simply this GH 4K and 42.5 combo? These two together gonna do some serious video work.
It would be an odd choice for a kit lens. the 85 eqiv is more of a special purpose lens. Kit lens would most likely be a zoom. If a prime were for some reason to be made the kit, probably would be 25mm. Really, though, this is a special purpose camera and should probably be sold as a body only. Many users won’t even be using m43 lenses anyways.
Another strange thing about lenses in these pictures.
On the top picture they have the 14-140 Mk I lens! Not even thee new better variant.
On the last picture I think it is the 12-35, if I am correct.
It’s a confirmed fake! Even a child can tell, the images are from a gh3 body just photoshopped, there is no way Panasonic will ever release such a hideous lump of shi*
Can you read? This was on display at the Panasonic booth at CES.
But it IS a prototype, and the production camera may well be slightly different, and certainly better finished.
Right, except that it’s not even a prototype. It’s obviously just a regular GH3 with a “4K” sticker on it. There’s no way that the new model, even a prototype, would be in the same body as a GH3.
This is great news how come nobody rejoyces ??
Because very few people here give a flying f*** about video, and those who do have priorities other than 4K.
+1
Or owns a Black Magic
OR is just an Olympus Fanboy, who wouldn’t dare Buy a Panasonic Camera.
Because 2,5k and 120/240fps would be far more usefull for most productions… 4k is nice dont get me wrong… but lest do HD properly first!
This is exactly what I think. But Panasonic some time ago said that they are about to turn to 4k but back then they were doing research. I think GH 4k, especially in the same form as GH3 is to test market whether we want 4k in mirrorless cameras or not.
Stil waiting for 1080p/2k camera with at least 12 stops of dynamic range, 120fps, 10bit, 4:2:2, 3,5inch screen and many codecs on board (INTRA is a must) for about 1500$ (as we can see 4k version CAN be under 2000$). GH3 is the closest to this.
ALSO still waiting for firmware upgrade to unlock 120fps in 720p in my GH3. But I think it`s a fool`s dream…
awesome price 🙂 looks like Panasonic is looking to further increase market share in the video segment, that memory card door looks a bit wide does that mean dual SD cards??
@YouDidDidn’tYou Can I remind you that you still haven’t back up the statements you made about a month ago about Thom Hogan’s analysis being “unbelievably flawed” despite promising to do so? I think anyone who makes such strong statements should either back them up or apologise. http://www.43rumors.com/olympus-forecast-says-they-will-return-to-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-2829033 http://www.43rumors.com/japan-these-are-the-most-sold-cameras-in-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-2838261
get a hobby loser
@biggles … says the guy commenting and insulting others on a rumours website…
Well let’s be fair: you do write loser stuff. That other “you didn’t did you” is no better, either. And you both shoot M43 right?
I shoot with different systems (compact camera, DSLR and m4/3) but I am not sure how this is relevant or why either YouDidDidn’tYou or I should be a loser. If at all I’d see a connection between insulting others and being a loser, but certainly not between what camera system someone uses and how they might be judged as a person.
i need 120fps, plase panasonic
+1
must have at least 12stops DR in video + 100 fps in HD or FHD or it will be fail!
We don’t need 4K, we need a four thirds camera capable of capturing footage with a decent acquisition format, eg 10 bit 4:2:2 ProRes, and optionally RAW.
I need ‘quality pixels’, not more quantity. The only good thing is stabilization: 4K footage to a 2.5K or 1080p canvas.
Exactly plus on top of that how many potential users will purchase it and then realise their computers are no where near up to the challenge of editing the footage. Plus all the extra high speed hard drive space they will require. Also how many actually own 4K TVs? The pros will tell you, it is dynamic range that is important not the amount of pixels.
I hope they bundle this camera with a new Mac Pro 😉
I hope they bundel it with a real computer 😉
Building a cheap RAID is easy for hard drive speed. Also, low-res proxy editing before the final cut is an option. Editing 4K on an old system won’t be impossible, just a bit slower.
Even if the final delivery is 1080, shooting 4K is a desirable option when producing film/video, even if the dynamic range isn’t the most impressive spec. That can be controlled with lighting. As an indy film maker I, for one, am looking forward to it and will not b&m about early adopter cameras that offer the capability.
Technology companies pushing hard into this area of the spec sheet is a good thing.
Just a bit is putting it mildly.
I don’t think Manufacturer will ever considering doing RAW video!! Because only professionals or filmmakers would love to have RAW video. But thats not even 5% in the world market. There are still heaps of people don’t understand why you need an interchangeable lens camera!! “Oh, My point and shoot camera does everything, why you need a bigger camera”, so for Panasonic, Sony, or other Manufacturers will focus on 4K more than ProRes or RAW video. So people understand and know the difference more!!
Like it or not 4K is the futur, at least it’s what marketing want to persuade us. Full HD is the past, and to continue selling new product, manufacturer must bring something new. Me too i prefer better DR, not more pixels. But for mass market, 4K and 24mpx is a much better selling point than 12 DR stop or better high iso. And when you buy a 4K camera, you quickly need new PC, new TV, new Video player, better internet connection to stream all that datas, and also big SD card, certified 4K by Panasonic of course 🙂
Exactly! We want more DR! Panasonic, are you listening?
GH3 features on video is already perfect, the only thing stopped me from buying it is the poor DR (unnatural looking dark shadows and bright sky). If it gives similar IQ and DR as Blackmagic pocket (the pocket has a much smaller sensor than GH3 lah!), I’ll place an order immediately even if it costs $2000!
Are you listening? Panasonic??
Given this price tag GH4K can be considered more or less a direct competitor to E-M1.
Any news about an (at least 2 axis) IBIS? Hard to believe that the flagship would miss such an important feature present in a somewhat inferiorly rated camera.
It is heavily video oriented and doesn’t quite have the same target audience.
No, for this price and having a presumable excellent sensor this gear should be a target for photo enthusiasts as well. Why would upgrade a still-oriented GH3 owner to E-M1 if GH4K is available below 2000 USD?
Panasonic is aiming this camera at Video Users. Why would it be competition to a camera that doesn’t stack up video wise? That’s just a dumb argument. It does 4K! Done Deal!
I have no doubts that it will be a very capable performer for still photography. Moreover, I am sure there will actually be GH4k users shooting excursively still. Arguably a low proportion, but who am I to know for sure… Likewise, there certainly are some EM-1 that makes good use of the video. How many, the jury is out.
Simply put, in terms of Venn diagrams, you can’t tell the big picture just by pointing a non empty cross section, those two cameras are not targeting the same audience, no they are not. Period.
I think the reason they are using the GH3 body is they spent so much effort designing it to get rid of all the heat from continuous video recording. I can’t see them floating the sensor in any way as there would be nowhere for the heat to go, I think it’ll stay firmly attached to a heat-sink connected to the outer shell…
And which sensor will the GH4 have?
Supposedly the same as the GX7.
On the other hand I simply don’t believe that the ergonomy of GH3 is such good as absolutely nothing should be changed in GH4K. 😀 I still hope we’ll have pleasant surprises regarding the control layout.
The GH3’s ergonomics (ergonomy is not a word, btw) of the GH3 are excellent and very well regarded. The G4K may get a few tweaks, but I doubt a major overhaul.
For me, it’s simply too big. The GH2 was close to perfect for me.
You have to understand that to us non-native speakers, ergonomics is counter-intuitive in that it designates both the thing itself and the study of the thing (which is indeed the same in other languages, such as French; except we use “ergonomie” for “ergonomics” and “ergonomique” for “ergonomical” which often leads me to let “ergonomy” slip at times as it “sounds” more natural; I gather it’s the same in Polish as it would be either a loan-word from French, either directly or indirectly through Russian, or likewise built as a true latin-derivative word as “ergonomia”) and that it pretends to be a word derivative from latin yet use a construction in -ics that is very non-latin, the problem is further accentuated by the fact that even in English some disciplines do follow a familiar pattern of differentiation between the thing itself and the study of the thing (economy and economics, for instance), making it difficult for some people to get it right, and easy for mistakes to occur.
That’s true. And what you write about Latin orign of “modern” languages should be taken more in consideration by those thinking that English is the Language To Rule Them All.
I think I speak a good English but sometimes mistakes can slip in. I’d like to add though that Jeff here simply noted and corrected the mistake, and I have never read anything offensive from him.
There were people making fun of those mispelling a word, but it’s not that case.
I’m happy when people can correct me or teach me something in a polite way.
English = French + German + others 🙂 The English rules the other languages because of the British Empire (in the 19th century) and the USA (in the 20th century).
Good chart of the relationships between the different European languages
http://elms.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/lexical-distance-among-languages-of-europe/
thanks a lot!
That finally explains my perplexities (yet another fun word..) with DUTCH.it’s because it is so close to GREEK!!!
Don’t forget the Sanskrit!
Yes, I was just trying to be helpful.
I always appreciate help when trying to speak other languages.
I’m sorry if I sounded defensive and harsh, I never understood your intervention as anything other than helpful and added some context to the reason why this common mistake is made around here.
And by doing so I also managed to be wrong since, as Saviour pointed out, ergonomics is indeed of greek roots (and thus ergonomics would be the “proper” form) and it is its latinisation in other languages that is “aberrant”.
Darn.. this forum is getting too mellow and polite. I was used to the incessant barbarian attacks of the trolls.. now how can go on like this?!
(SARCASM)
Shut it!
Better?
You’re right, thanks.
Serious video shooters will put this in a rig that’s far larger than the camera itself. Small size isn’t what serious video is all about.
This isn’t a replacement for the GH3, and it isn’t really aimed at stills shooters. It’s a different market altogether.
Sounds like GH3 successor to me.
No.
I like 4K stuff, I worked on Red Cameras before. I can see 4K has a lot more details. I just don’t understand why people keep saying 4K is useless. Come on, think about when manufacturer first announced “High Definition”. Everyone said the same. “We don’t need High Definition”.
I would say at this stage, people might not really need the 4K straight away, but think about few years later, 4K camera, and 4K TV will be a lot cheaper. Do you still think you like to have just 1080!!
1080p is enough for an average 43″ tv, at normal view distance people already have problems separating 2k from 720p on such a screen.
But if your house has room for a 110″ screen, I see the potential for 4k
4K doesn’t mean the screen size only!! Even a 56″ TV and 56″ 4K TV, you can easily see the difference already. Just like the iPad 1 and iPad 5, they both share the same size 9.7″ screen. Retina display looks heaps better because of the more resolution!! Same for 4K
The iPad analogy is unfair from a practical point of view as the web content is 4K-ready, absolutely not the case of broadcast television.
As to appropriate TV size if you go into a store like RCWileys these days you will find a room surrounded by big TV screens from 50 to 90 inches size so that is what the 4k is targeting.
> you can easily see the difference already.
I bet because the video compression artifacts got smaller.
> Retina display looks heaps better because of the more resolution!!
Wrong.
1080p resolution was picked for TV/etc because at the typical viewing distances details are too small for human eye to pick up.
“Retina” displays did the same for the tablets/etc: smallest details at the typical viewing distances are now also indistinguishable. Before you could see the single pixels – now you can’t.
Needless to remind, blind tests showed that vast majority of people can’t see the difference between SD and HD. Heck, most people I know can’t even spot the compression artifacts. The only application for 4K I can imaging is the oversampling for video production and editing and the spare quality for recompression.
@mrc4nl
That’s a very scientific point of view. But the fact of the matter is that HDSLR’s don’t quite give photographically sharp images when recording at 1080p. However if they record at 4k and then are shown on 1080p, then you will see a great different in sharpness. Hmm perhaps sharpness is the wrong word… more detail.
Downsizing will not improve detail or sharpness, I can assure this. You will see the difference only at native resolution.
I don’t buy the sharpness argument one bit. I watched ‘Almost Human’ in regular old 1080P and the detail on people’s faces showed every flaw imaginable (flaky makeup covering wrinkles, pimples… and some nasty bags under people’s eyes.) I don’t think makeup artists can even overcome this level of resolution quite frankly without the implementation of softening filters. If 4K is going to enhance this further, count me out completely. Sharpness simply does not = cinematic imagery. I do like that 4K means more processing bandwidth will be under the hood which means high speed 1080P overcranking is much more likely to become available.
Well, I watched the new House of Cards trailer in 4K on YouTube on my iMac. I rather watch that over the lowres 1080 version…
Agreed. The human eye is being out resolved by 1080P screens at viewing distances. The fact of the matter is 4K is being pushed on us (from a flat-screen perspective) because the manufacturers are losing money on televisions. Things were good when LG was colluding with other TFT-LCD manufacturers to keep prices artificially high, but they were caught and the bottom fell out. The manufacturers tried to push 3D on us, but that failed. So now, they are pushing 4K. The display units I have seen are rigged, because they show time-lapse photography, no doubt shot in raw and not subject to MPEG motion artifacts. The screens showing actual 4K motion were not noticeably more detailed at viewing distances.
Internet connections in the United States can hardly keep up with 720 and 1080P content, now we’re expected to stream/download 4K content from iTunes and Netflix on a 200GB/month capped connection? Not going to happen until there is a revolution in U.S. IPs.
That being said, if I were a film maker and not an ENG type videographer, I would want 4K from a future-proof/archiving point of view. But if I were a film maker, I would be using RED or one of the super Sony cameras. Heck, Arri doesn’t even make a 4K camera.
Still, it is great news to have this capability at such a price. The computer used to process the files will be twice as expensive! I hope they set it up like the 1DX and the 1DC, in terms of having a regular 1080P version (GH5) and a more expensive 4K version (GH5K), because I want focus peaking, 1/8000 shutters speed, and 1/320 flash sync (none of which are in my GH3) without paying for the inclusion of 4K.
If I remember people were saying “we need high definition” cause it was a real leap in IQ. Everybody wants HDTV because the image is much better. But as you are saying 4K will be something maybe in a few years. Today is kinda useless as you need a special workflow to make it happen and a monster of a tv to notice it is 4k. Panny wants to jump in the 4K train… that’s it. But don’t count on me to jump in too.
Speaking selfishly and with a nod to economy, I hope that it takes the same grip as the GH3.
It could end up shooting raw, to compete with hacked canons & Black Magic 4K. I hope!
Prefer the newly-announced Sony 4K FDX-AX100 Handycam at the same price – at least it’s designed to be used as a video camera – whereas a still camera’s ergonomics have always been questionable in video mode
I see your point. for me though, having interchangeable lenses and a bigger sensor is more advantageous. the fixed lens on the sony cam unfortunately has a variable aperture.
I am a photographer not a videographer so take this for what its worth. This camera sounds amazing but if you are a videographer your going to be able to say to your client… “I have this amazing 4k video camera, the quality is mind blowing. However before I give you your video I am going to have to compress it so your computer doesn’t blow up!” “Oh and by the way your crappy computer screen and now high rez but not high enough rez tv won’t be able to give you the full beauty of your video.” Glad this technology is here but most people won’t be able to take true advantage of it for awhile. I still have clients whose computers slow down immensely when I give them full rez jpegs not to mention raw images.
May I try to help you with an idea? Tell your customer that their grandchildren will be glad you left that hi-res (4k) video of you mariage… (who loves super8 films nowadays?) 😉
Good product for videographer,useless for Real Photographer & unfortunately big,bulky & much pricey !!…DSLR’S will rule again in 2014 with wider choices & much much more competitive prices !
Sub $2000.- and if the specs are true then this cam is a no brainer (IMO)! Bring it on pany!
The rumored xlr adapter has been in the rumors air from a long time, since GH2 days, hope it will real this time.
There’s great full photo cameras around, the GH line always was created as hybrid one, so? video options play a big roll on this one.
Great for Panasonic, sorry folks, i’m sure there’s more cameras for the photo only type of guys.
Waiting for the final specs.
Admin, I know it’s off topic, but I have just found this funny article, a copmparision between Full Frame and m43 systems. 🙂
I hope friends here will enjoy it.
(Spoiler below)
To FF trolls: don’t take it seriously 😉
No link present Marco.
Ouch! I was still laughing and I forgot it! 🙂
http://newcameranews.com/2014/01/08/investigative-report-why-is-micro-four-thirds-doomed/
It’s short, like a good joke. Hope you like it!
I like the title, can I offer an answer to the question as to why u43 is doomed, could it be because thousands of enthusiasts like you and I all the other genuine guys in here use it and that we are all crazies just waiting for the Canikon men in white coats come and take us away, for brainwashing.
Now I’ve seen it I like it very much indeed, a very good example of the difference.
The first one was nice but it got quite repetitive. Even shorter would have been better.
It is an article, not a joke, that’s why the author put three samples. I understand the meaning is always the same, but it’s funny anyway. BTW that site is filled with humour and sarcasm: every now and then we need to laugh over things. 🙂
Brilliant! 😀
Quote:
“””Stay tuned as the NCN Quantitative Image Lab tackles more of the vexing questions facing the photography industry like, “Why is the sky blue?”, “Does this lens make me look fat?”, “Are you my mother?”, and others.”””
Can’t wait!
Yes, the end was just perfect, that’s when I laughed and decided to link it here. 🙂
That was awesome!
Just the trust many times… Really good 😀 😀
I really like the body! Great ergonomics, Canon style (I shoot Nikon and very good ergonomics is not a feature of Nikon cameras).
I personally will change system this spring and in pole position is the E-M1. Waiting for the new Fuji with slr design (Fujica style) to make up my mind…I really like the results of the X-Trans APS-C but if it will have poor ergonomics and features compared to the E-M1 I shall stick to the latter. A7 is nice but is all about sensor and it’t not a very good camera overall plus the lenses are big (to cover the ff sensor) and the size advantage of the A7 is nil!
Now that you have painstakingly copied and pasted all sorts of internet drivel… Grab a camera and learn to shoot. Learn with a Canon or a Nikon, you can move to toys when you have mastered the art.
I bet this camera is nothing more than a marketing tool. Panasonic want to squeeze 4K into a GH3 body, just for the sake of 4K. They should have designed a whole new camera or at least put that 4K guts into the AF100 body for better ergonomics, built in ND filters and proper audio recording.
I guess dynamic range will total up to 11.5 and 10bit 4:2:2 won´t be recordable internally. You will need an external recorder for that. For decent audio recording they will offer something like a battery grip without batteries but with XLR inputs. Something that JuicedLink and even Tascam already offer for all kinds of DSLR styles camras…
Perhaps this is what Panasonic call “modular design”: buy some expensive addons to make that GH3 on steroids do what a video camera is expected to and claim that this is not a GH3 successor, but a totally different video camera.
Obviously that GH4 is aimed at video guys, not photographers, so why did they really choose that GH3 body which is actually designed for photographers?
I´m a GH2 and GH3 owner, but since Blackmagic joined the game, I don´t trust these long-established, unimaginative companies anymore.
AF100 replacement with 4K probably coming too at the same time…
ya man, so sad that they (ie. panasonic, sony) are heading wrong direction.
so many of us have been the power of DR in Blackmagic cameras (especially the affordable pocket camera), those images are just so much more gorgeous than any DSLR’s video images. Our eyes are opened now, but so far Panasnic and Sony’s eyes aren’t. They are giving other features, but not the most essential feature of a camera/camcorder： IQ quality, which DR is literally one of the most important feature to have. 13 stops, as Blackmagic demo this on a much smaller sensor (2.88x crop sensor) with so detail and clean shadows with gorgeously distributed 13 stops DR. Please Panasonic, made your already close to perfection hybrid camera GH3 a perfection by simply improve the DR on both stills and videos.
Ergonomic/s is of Greek origin, Greek word being Ergonomiko – Εργονομικο – meaning “law/rule of work/function. Therefore, Ergonomy is an English word as per standard rules for using Greek words. Just not used much.
Think Astronomy, Greek as well.
Thanks for the correction, I indeed wasn’t thinking straight this morning.
You wish, but you forget that the English language doesn’t follow any rules properly! 🙂 Sorry. I checked oed.com (Oxford English Dictionary), webster.com, and dictionary.com. Ergonomy is NOT a valid English word, at least not according to any traditional English dictionary. Ergonomics, ergonomic, ergonomically, and ergonomist are valid, according to OED.
It does however bode well for the G7 specs, hopefully GH3/GX7 type sensor with focus peaking, IBIS and headphone socket as well as improved codecs/bitrates. HDMI out would be good too but I guess they may leave that out as a differentiator, unless the expected Oly OM10 has it of course, but unlikely I would think.
Not all that excited about 4k, but I think it will make the GH3 what it should have been from the start:
Improved EVF
Focus peaking
Useable All-I modes
4.2.2
Some how, some way, Panasonic and Olympus have got to get their heads together to combine the former’s video prowess with the latter’s industry leading IBIS. That would be a show stopper for videographers.
Absolutely totally agree. I’m not interested in 4K either.
Please Panasonic we need –
Improved EVF
Focus peaking
Useable All-I modes
4.2.2 recordable in camera
IBIS in video mode
4k means better cropping down to 1080p or 720p. 4k gives you an option to zoom in in post production without losing quality (approx x4 zoom with 1080p, x8 zoom with 720p). You don’t need to have 4k TV to enjoy some of 4k’s advantages in video.
Well said, 4K brings incredible production value——and it doesn’t necessarily mean the end result is 4K.
Better still shoot the footage correctly in the first place so you do not need to crop it.
When pepole will be happy??? When the E-M1 was announced, many complain about crappy video. Now we speak about the not yet official best hybrid ever for video and people complain about the lack or this an that… Crazy!
in both cases it seems we still dont have video we need… All we “need” from oly or pana (pref Oly because of the excelent IBIS) is: 2.5k idealy but will be happy with 1080 @ 24,25,30,50,60,120, and idealy 240 fps…
4K is just not that viable currently… and oly sticking with a locked 30fps is hopeless.
15steps dr 120fps and better low light is what I want.4k or not…
4k is now. It matters because every single person with a smart phone will be watching it on mobile devices and at home. It is the new standard, thanks to H.265 compression. 4k allows 400% magnification within an HD frame without loss of HD resolution. 400% “crop” to us still photogs. Saying “who cares about 4k” is like saying 36mp full frame mirror less is undesirable.
And, by the way, Apple Mac Pro at $3000 edits multiple layers of 4k. Off the shelf hardware, so your computer won’t “blow up.”
Do you watch sports? Everyone say “yes.” FIFA Soccer, F1, MotoGp, American football, basketball it hockey? Cricket, Rugby? ALL of those viewers benefit from un distorted 400% crop/magnification in an HD frame. Imagine the detailed close ups, even within wide shots!
Anyone watch cinema? 4k.
4k doesn’t matter? Please. It matters to everyone! Eapecially when you can acquire it for $2000 or less.
Oh, and you can take pretty photos too. How nice.
Ray it is not just $2000. You need a decent computer say a Mac Pro at $3000 plus a whole lot more hard drives with fast data transfer. Also a lot of new large, fast cards. $2000 quickly turns to $6000 and with this camera you still will not have the DR.
Rugby League yes
Depending on intenced use, 36mp ‘full frame’ can indeed be undesirable, which is a large part of why the D4 and 5Dmk3 have a much lower pixel count then that.
FAKE
It makes sense for Pany to use the GH3 body for this 4K model to reduce its cost since a magnesium alloy body is expensive to cast so body needs to last longer at least 2-3 years. I expect Pany has a surplus of GH3 bodies which they could utilize since sales of GH3 were less than they expected.
Many on this forum seem to think or believe the GH3 to be substantially larger than the EM1 yet it is the same width and height (only shoulders are higher) so take up the same space. I thought the G6 body was plenty big so now they can put the GH3 innards and capacity into it for the G7. Ironic that larger is considered by many to be better when it comes to DSLRs while smaller is better when it comes to rangefinder styles.
Agree, Using GH3 body saves some money and time. Only need to fix the EVF and add others inside.
it would be great for filming sport and getting stills at the same time
i get asked to do video for my local rugby team shame that there is no 150mm f2.8 to go with it
its a shame that they are getting so much crap for the new 42.5mm it looks
like a good lens most of the crying seems to be comeing from people who
wanted the lens in the fist place
had a look of at FUJI last night just in case the doom and gloom around here is ture
it will cost more and there are more holes in the FUJI lens road map then mft
at the moment othere then that it looks quite good
One capability these Pany cameras already have is that for video you can multiply the effective lens reach by factor of 4x not just 2x so the 30-100/f2.8 becomes effective 400mm reach at f2.8 and the advantage over fixed 150/f2.8 lens is you can zoom down to an effective 60mm as well. So that zoom lens may be the better match when it comes to video.
i have to say that i am not that much in to video its nice to learn new things
most of my video is when it is to dark too get good stills or some one has asks me too
i have the 35-100 f2.8 it is a very nice lens but i would like more reach
and i like useing primes
i heard very good thngs about the 150mm f2.8 small light weather sealed and sharp
OK, lets talk about what we don’t want on this GH-4K. I hope it’s not a GH3 with new insides. and they need to fix the hot shoe, and the SD Card latch.
Just google the word.
Ergonomy is a valid word in English, for some reason people prefer to use Ergonomics. Like economics vs economy.
I teach in Oxford.
Uh?
Do you seriously consider Google to be the arbiter of proper use of English?
If so, I find it hard to believe you teach at Oxford. Unless maybe that’s Oxford Mississippi.
If Panasonic could add dual-pixel technology for fast and accurate auto-focus, this could be a “killer” product!
I realize this is a prototype, but if this camera is truly aimed at the video marked there are going
to have to be some changes made to the body, and what users have immediate access to. As we’ve
heard that the final product will be modular in design I’m hoping for something in the vein of the C100 when
is said and done.
Yay to the new technology, which moves us all forward. And pos-edit crops and pans are beautiful things.
Looks like it’s going to be a worthy successor to a bit-improved(hacked) GH2.
It IS a killer product. It’s not a fake. I will buy at least one. I will shoot stills and 4K/1080p 10 bit 4:2:2 for clients. I can’t wait!
i am buying one, no matter what you said. I was planning to buy the gh3, but after seeing the footage, i think it wasn’t good enough as an upgrade to my gh2. now, it’s time for this new baby.
Right on.
At under 2K, and with presumably features like IBIS, focus peaking etc, this is starting to look like a good deal for the video/combo crowd. This could very well be my next camera.
I hope it has a GLOBAL SHUTTER… So sick of jello!
That is one thing I wouldn’t hope for, unfortunately. Would be great, but I don’t think they have gone that far from the formula on sensor-tech.
Looks an interesting camera but if it has the same awful viewfinder as on my GH3, I won’t be buying one.
And not even a mention about the most obvious omission by Panasonic on the GH3 ……. focus peaking. Will the GH4 rectify this or will there be another annoying statement from Pana that the Venus engine is at capacity dealing with the data stream?
Anyone else interested in seeing some innovation in follow focus? Wifi capabilities leave no excuse for responsive focus pulling. Heck….i’d love a cheapo wired usb dongle with a slider for off camera focus.
If panasonic is serious about video, then they need to broaden their thinking about common issues that film makers encounter.
Agreed, Arvin. If Pana wants to sell some of these in respectable numbers this time around, they better get serious about addressing the GH3s shortcomings. I have that camera, and that fact that it came so Close to being great, but missed/messed it up, still pisses me off…
And please pay attention to the EVF, Pana, please! It should be Far Far better on the new camera -to Not sabotage your efforts- plus with a high grade ocular in front, an (even half-way) decent diopter adjustment mechanism, and for when in stills mode, a way to turn on/off its gain-up in PASM.
Few leaks about other features, specially about still photography or improvement about the body, hope to read it quickly and that this body will be a direct positioning against Olympus E-M1 for things like Phase detection focus.
For video, I’m at the same place than many directors photo from Hollywood in a recent interview where they mentioned that 4K is more a gimmick for electronic maker that is behind of their improvement priority like better dynamic range, noise, faster frame rate shooting, higer ISO capture, color rendition, no-jello effect with something like a global shutter!
Wait& see but it was probably easier to produce a higher resolution like 4K rather achieve some progress in other area in picture quality, with in prime selling a replacement TV to the consumers! The funny side to this story, is that the 2 biggest player in the 4k in the moment don’t support the same standard: Netflix is going on the new coming H265.x and Google with Youtube for VF9! Since we don’t know which will be the winner, Samsung has announced that they’ll put the CODEC in a special box where CODEC and connector could be modify for avoiding their 4K TV become obsolete in this new standard battle! And yes Sony had claim they can’t be wrong with their choice for the 4K like if hteir never failed in the past … Epic stories to come!
What the hell?! I went by their booth and they said they had no such thing!
Too expensive
I´ll bet you anything that this camera won´t have more dynamic range than the GH3 and only 8 bit internal recording. Panasonic (again) didn´t listen to their customers, because otherwise they would know, that 4K isn´t the first thing on the list of those people who want a beautyful and highly gradable picture, not just a bigger one…
Nobody cried for 4K, now it is forced upon the customer, because average Joe will never find out that 4K doesn´t say anything about the actual image quality. 4K ist big, you can “zoom” and “pan” around in post, but I´m not interested in sliding around highly compressed footage, that lacks color information.
On the other hand, there ist a big demand for better image quality (dynamic range, color, moiré, noise, etc.) but who cares?
this is looking like gh3 mii and ag gh4 is still to come later in the year or next year. so we get peaking zebras tonal adjustment alla olympus omd copied over into gx7. along with this we ca expect better image quality if we get the new sensor as well. we don’t get 10 bit, we don’t get 4:2:2. so far that is a reasonable humble guess. if we are real lucky we might also get 3 axis in body stabization that combines with pois to give us the equivalent of hybrid stabization that is in pannys comsumer camcorders. but more likely this last bit May only come in the ag gh4
ain’t rumour mill guessing just the funest way to combat clicking the place order button anxiety.
oh yah and if the processor can handle 4k then it is reasonable to expect that it can handle whole sensor interpolation. and if we get that you can kiss moire good bye at least at 1080. all of this is good, 4k promotional gimmick aside.
As a passionate GH3 user, I am praying for high frame rates! 4k is great but more of us in video production do not have any clients asking for 4k. As others have stated, super high frame rates would be far more useful! I would love to see 120fps at 1080p… How about 240fps?? It would be glorious. I am thrilled that Panny are sticking to M43. Fantastic format that has really come into its own.
I read an article from “EOSHD”!! It said “A lot people confuse about shooting with 4K, they thought only the resolution is bigger!! 4K also means more dynamic range, more realistic shadows and highlights, more subtle gradation, less moire and aliasing, better 1080p and yeah, more detail too, because more of the sensor data survives!! Even you are not watching 4K video on a 4K screen, you can still see the difference and details 🙂