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All we know with 99% certainty is that Sony has a new FE FF camera on the pipeline which will be the first of its line and placed above the current A7 camera series. It’s likely to come during the first half of 2015. We have no specs from trusted sources so for once let’s share specs I got from an anonymous source. This means it’s hardly to be the real final specs but at least it’s a start to discuss the new camera:
– 46 Megapixel Bayer sensor
– 4 fps
– 100-25,600 ISO (extended 50 and 51,200)
– weather sealed body
– 4K output (no internal 4K recording)
– Price yet not final but around to $3,000
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The more megapixels the merrier.
(great articles on FR, thank you)
Thank you HEXX. That may expand.
Man, that rendering without the fixed view finder is so sexy and perfect. My god, that’s what I want. Please, an A5s with the crazy ISO sensor, 5-axis stabilization, and the same size and layout as the A7ii but NO FiXED VIEWFINDER.
Or viewfinder on the left corner !
I personally don’t use the viewfinder much, I shoot mostly at night in low light. But it does come in handy once in a while when I shoot in direct sunlight. My ideal solution would be the popup flash from the RX100m3 on some sort of A5s or A6s, but that hump is unbearable for the coat pocketability of the camera, even with large lenses. My coat pockets can handle large lenses, but that damn hump!!…
Having my coat be my camera bag is something I don’t want to give up for a fixed viewfinder I usually have turned off.
Doubt we’ll see a pro body without a view finder…
i just can’t agree more.
I like the ergonomics of the rangefinder-style body shown above but it probably won’t see the light of day being that it doesn’t look “pro” enough. Still, I wonder if the model that will debut will be called the A7R, due to this class-leading sensor resolution.
The real treat, however, would be a future A9S with 12 megapixels, refined 5-axis IBIS, internally recorded 4k, and the elusive global shutter!
No internal 4K, only 4 fps, 3000$… too expensive no ?
looks way better without the jumping thing where the view finder is placed 🙂 just like RX1.. i love this design. a7ii-like without viewfinder may be a good model line.. i’ll always prefered mirrorless camera without viewfinder.
I don’t need all those megapixels. I view photos on the screen with 1,44 Mp. And even if I’ll replace my screen, 10 Mp would be enough. So, even 12 megapixels of A7s are more then enough =)
I just want A7s similar in A-mount, it’s that so difficult Sony?????
15fps, internal 4k, ISO 256,000 (extend 50, 512,000)
APCS
NX 1 ?
Sony A9
Way too expensive for a (relatively) small bump in megapixels and an old (read: still Bayer) sensor tech.
On the bright side, this could mean a nice price cut on the A7r 🙂
Bayer is still the best performing sensor tech (and will be for some time) however old it may be.
Anyway the resolution increase wont be the headline feature, that will be the AF/stabilisation/body that will command the higher price tag.
I agree that Bayer is still the (foreseeable) future, at lest for the next couple years.
What I meant is that at this predicted price, to justify said price they would have to pull out of the hat something really special in terms of sensor tech; especially considering that a mirrorless is probably way less costly to produce then a DSRL (think: mirror box, pentaprism etc.). I seem to recall that the typical mirrorless has some dozens of components, against the few hundreds (sometimes thousands) of a DSRL.
And I really hope after the A7II sensor based stabilization will be a given for every A-something new camera.
But I also think that instead the resolution increase will be the headline feature, at least if it is real that Canon is about to launch a ~50Mp camera, starting again the megapixel-war.
If this is SR5, more Amount users will ranting non-stop and threaten to jump ship lol…
looking at this spec, this is just an incremental release with more MP. This doesn’t not look like Sony strategy. I speculate next A99 successor will be more serious to keep compete with canikon.
If it will not focus -3EV, and will not give better AF (e.g. more cross-type AF, it will not compete with Canikon.
I sense A99MKII-S is coming too
Why is it so hard for them to do internal 4K? And if this is true is 46MP really needed?
relax,this is just SR2 😀
Yes, I knew that. But looking at the a7II it is quite strange that Sony isn’t able to support 4K while pana did it on their MFT and one inch sensor cameras.
The lack of internal 4K video recording could make this camera very unattractive.
Bugger, and now? Are you going to buy something else? Here is a tip: “photography for dummies” by I P Freely.
Get out of here Troll, hide under a bridge or something. You need to learn “the basics of respect” first before posting anywhere!
How old are you “Eno”?
So what make it “special” just the high 46megapix. So for whoever want high megapix this will sell to them. But Sony is time to fight sport and wildlife camera as well. And for video side, do internal 4k or 10bit out will be winning the game again, as well as e-mount lenses need more to be having good focus ring/control on lenses like A-mount it’s fix. E-mount lenses so far cant change the focus distance constantly/fix, it’s all depend on your turning speed on focus ring. It’s bad for manual focus, you never can set a point correctly. I only see in coming e-mount cine lenses 28-135mm having focus ring like A-mount lenses.
(SR5) planned products in 2015:
Sel35 F1.4
Sel28 F2.0
Sel90 F2.8
Sel24240
ILCE-9 (
VG-C9EM (vertical grip)
LA-EA5
ILCE-6000m2
VG-C6EM (vertical grip for a6000m2)
Sel70300g F4 APSC
Sal2470 F2.8 II
Sal1635 F2.8 II (Last A-mount lens)
LA-EA6 (a99 successor)
Sel1650 F2.8
Sel2470 F2.8
Sel24105 F4
No need for LA-EAs, olympus has on-sensor phase detection for old 4/3 lenses already.
Most interesting, sensible, and believable comment in this post
Speculating on this is worthless, you have no idea of the specs, yet you post some hypothetical ones, and then ask ifwe would buy this hypothetical camera ? Talk about a useless post to get some trafic, you forgot to plaster it with affiliated links to get some cash from it btw.
+1
Admin has told us that trusted sources will only confirm or deny info that is posted.
The only way admin can get more info is by posting what he has.
It will be unlikely that there is no internal 4K video (in my mind). Also, FPS will need to be faster to make any impression whatsoever on the photo world. Say, at least 8FPS. Also of crucial importance will be the focus system, its speed and its accuracy.
Sony has to blow everyone out of the water, and these rumored, and likely not correct, specs are not going to cut it!
36 mp are more than enough for 99,5% of all customers.
sony has to work on the lens lineup.. that should be priority NO.1
then sony should work on AF performance and speed.
only than i am interested in more MP.
And 24mp is enough for 99%! I doubt these specs are real, but if Soby is listening: Id much rather have 24mp with true 8 fps+, deep buffer, higher ISO capability, and fast AF. I don’t need to highest resolution in the world, I need all around performance.
Exactly why the Nikon D750 is getting such good reviews…
Exactly why I’m currently shooting with the d750.
No IBIS??
In that case, I would much prefer an A7R II with IBIS
You don’t need it. It took me a few years to understand that, but nobody needs IBIS.
I will only consider to buy A9, if it has EVF on corner, not centered.
no way on a pro level camera… I wanna have my eye in-line with the lens
LOL!!! why? it’s a bloody EVF
duckling syndrome.
in-line? then they should stick EVF where rear LCD is. The hump is way too high.
Viewfinder must be centered otherwise it is almost impossible to accurately frame a subject with a long lens.
These specs are far from interesting, especially considering the expected pricing. Resolution isn’t that impressive if you consider 46 mp is only a 13% increase in linear resolution compared to 36 mp.
Anyhow, I expect a quick, unnoticed and unrumoured A9 release from Sony, just like the last couple of releases.
More importantly, the specs important for a pro E-mount camera are more like:
– AF speed: will OSPDAF work in lower light? competitive with A77m2 AF system?
– Will there be better integration with A-mount system? LA-EA5?
– durability?
– battery life: finally bigger battery?
– screen articulation: a la A77/99?
– controls? AF mode selector, joystick for AF point selection?
– dual SD card slots
– functional AF assist beam?
If Sony wants to sell a $3000 E-mount camera, they need to get it right.
Exactly what I think!
Nevertheless, many (not all of course) don’t need 46MP. Why not new generation 24MP or 36MP, enough for most. But maybe there is a huge market for 46MP sensors, however I doubt it, as on most forums people usually think of 16-24MP to be the sweet spot. We’ll see.
Many people don’t need cameras at all, but that’s not the point.
True, but those discussing here are certainly not amongst those. I question the strategy a bit. Many expected top notch tracking performance and about 6-7fps. Now they put in a 46MP sensor with (probably) 4fps. But Sony wants to win over Canikon people, does it work with a camera like this? I have an A7ii for preorder, but consider it as a secondary camera compared to my D810 or the D750 in most aspects. To get all the wedding guys for example I think a smaller MP number together with high performance AF + tracking + fps would be a better idea. But maybe Sony has better statistics+polls than i have.
How abouts a spin on the LA-EA5 with Variable ND built in for video
A6000 AF speed and tracking,
A6000 FPS,
Full frame (equal or more pixels than A7r),
IBIS like A7ii,
EVF in left corner,
4k internal recording,
Weather sealed body,
Not too expensive…
And we get a winner !
Totally agree
Add A7s sensitivity to that list and they’ll have my dollars too!
ILCE-9 (5 axis IBIS) + LA-EA6 (79AF) = a99 successor 😛
Obviously not a complete spec list (if even accurate at all). What I will say is that it has got to have IBIS and internal 4k vid. Would be pleased with a few less pixels if faster FPS and higher ISO.
even if it’s the first version of specifications…. too early, but cannot hide disappointment.
A new designed of electronics is expecting, moving for example to 14 real bits of raw color depth at least….
Ya. If your going to give us these monster files make them worth it.
4K*
What’s all this “No 4k unless you strap on an external device the size of a toaster oven” nonsense? Did they not see the gh4 A YEAR AGO?
They can’t do it.
Sony has had the overheating sensor problem with APSC sensors recording HD video for many years now. 4K on a full frame sensor would just be a fire hazard.
They’ve been slow to incoporate 4K in small-sensored device too (missing in the RX100 III and the RX10).
If you want 4K, don’t buy Sony.
..which i really don’t get, because recording 4k internally or putting 4k out via hdmi should feel the same for the sensor. it’s not a question of sensor overheating, it’s a problem of the encoder that can only handle HD internally (or might maybe overheat when handling 4k).
Maybe they lack the knowledge to produce something low cost, consumer-grade that can process 4k wthout producing to much heat. Samsung has smartphones recording 4k internally, and they know how to handle h265…
maybe it isn’t on sony’s priority list to research how to properly produce these chips that would do such jobs, because they don’t need to compete on the same level as samsung does (being new to the mirrorless-(and video)-game).
Why spent millions on a sligtly improvement (the 4k internal) if it offers enough selling arguments to be bought by millions ?
vs
How can we beat Sony’s gigantic full frame sensor that is a low light monster ?
-> we try to use what we learned from our phones, and give the consumer a camera with an increadible prosessing engine, that can handle 4k internally by subsampling 7k and that can handle h265…
maybe sony will even buy parts from 3rd party now, that they are cheaper…
Exactly, it is not about sensors at all, it is about their ancient Japanese processors made on ancient technologies like 65nm (remember all those early fire-breathing P4s from 10 years ago?) – they have nothing on modern 14-22nn processors made in the US, Korea or Taiwan.
Aren’t Panasonic using the same ancient technology? How do theirs differ then?
Panasonic produced processors at 45nm for several years now, AFAIK.
Panasonic nailed the heat issue long ago, the GH3 can record forever, that and its battery are two reasons its a fantastic doccie cam, the GH4 was a natural progression. Surely if Sony implement H265 4K is doable? though I’m not sure they going to implement it in body.. trying to save their higher priced darlings?
On a 1/4 sized sensor its 1/4 the heat and 1/4 the power consumption therefore 1/4 as easy. See how this works from a technical perspective?
Heat is being generated by codec in the processor, not by a sensor (at least if sensor is made right). Electronic processing needed for simple readout is NOTHING compared to the number of calculation required for H.264, let alone H.265. And why a bigger sensor would suddenly produce more heat, especially if it has lower resolution like the one in A7s? After all, thicker wires possible on a bigger sensor have lower resistance (but then again, it does not matter compared to the enormity of computations needed for modern encoding – that is why A7s and RX100III can readout full sensor and even debayer, but cannot encode in 4k).
>And why a bigger sensor would suddenly produce more heat, especially if it has lower resolution like the one in A7s?<
Understand this, and you'll figure the rest out too………..
I understand it is your fantasy, and you don’t know the difference between processor which really generates heat on encoding and a sensor which has nothing to do with encoding, just readout.
Therefore GoPro 4K must be using some alien tech according to peevee?
Why does my 4K GoPro run longer than the A7S Peevee? Its battery is even smaller than the Sony’s?
What does it have to do with alien tech? GoPro is not the only camera using modern tech for processors. But it is not the ancient Japanese tech.
thank you for this
Yes, we’re pretty sure the real A9 will be 4K internal.
4fps not enough on a pro level camera… so every sports photographer would still bash Sony for this.
I will keep my a7S until they release a camera with internal 4k and IBIS (Be it an a9 or a7 version) if it has low light like the a7S then thats a bonus but even if it doesnt I would still buy it and keep my a7S for low light..
I just sold all my Canon gear. Wish they put the A7s in the new A7II body with IBIS and internal 4K. I would be happy with it for years and years.
Now I have to go with the A7II and think F#*K when the A7sII is announced :p
Don’t Be a Sucker
I’ll be whatever I want to be, thank you.
I would expect ALOT more:
1) a6000 af speed style
2) lateral evf on the left like a6000 (much better)
3) in-built little popup flash, like a6000
4) in-built Os like a7II
5) tropicalized body
6)better hi iso performance
Just to prevent trolls that says: “just buy an a 6000) i advise i already own one as second body. My first one is a7.
The fusion between both specs would be the perfect a9 to me…..
All the rest is robbish to me. 40 and over mpx? Who cares?
96MP. That’s my minimum. I want twice the resolution of a 24 before I pony up.
Get a Canon or a Nikon then, is it that hard?
Don’t make me laugh!
I had a nikon and i would never back to that brand for a full frame.
I find the evf much more confortable because of u can get much more info, real time istogram, exposure effects and alot more.
A7 is ridiculously compact and for portrait and landscape is just perfect as it is right now.
A6000 already demonstrated to be 99% reliable as fast and accurate for sports like canikon flagship gear.
Technology goes on…sorry for u canikon user
I had one….nikon.
It would be a step back
I’d buy it especially if it has image stabilization. I couldn’t care less about fps. Resolution is what matters. 4k vid would be nice but I don’t mind using a different camera for video. Low light performance is nice but not huge as I usually use a tripod
It is not just about MP, Weather sealing
Moreover about features.
WL trigger in-bofy, and a new accessory flash replacement for the 60.
AF performance and range is the “Live or die” for this camera
Buffer and processing
So it’s becoming clear that that A9 will replace the A7R. But what about the A7S?
The A7s is just launched !!! Give it 2 years at least !!! 😛
You mean give it 2 Months…
This is more like A7r II… Not A9…
After all the hype…ultimate resolution, ultimate speed, ultimate dynamic range..
Sony gives us a 46mp bayer sensor?
This is just a relatively small incremental increase..not the game changing new tech Sony has been hyping.
If these specs are true Sony will be a laughing stock.
Oh really? Sony has only said ultimate resolution not an exact mp count. Wouldn’t 46mp be the highest current resolution full frame sensor? This site is the only one creating “the hype”…
Look at thier roadmap promo….it shows a small portion of the large picture cropped to a full picture on the slide for ultimate resolution.
46mp just will not accomplish that.
These simply cannot be the specs of the camera in the roadmap..
Perhaps as usual the real camera will come out laye 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018…just around the corner…keep buying Sony so you will be ready when it happens.
STOP SAYING ROADMAP!
Stop saying
Stop saying!
Not really. Sony cannot account for the fact that some of its customer base is retarded.
Where do ypu come up with a comment like that?
These are Sony’s very own claims from their very own roadmap.
Why do people refer to marketing plans as a ‘road map’? A road map is something we used for navigation in cars before GPS was invented and became operational.
It is already one. They had a good system and they threw it away to replace it with some toys.
I want a 77 II in full frame version and iso of a7s…..
Same size as well.
46MP Bayer sesnor???
I thought in 2015 we would see new Sony sensor technology which would be a game changer.
With my current A6000, I have a great camera to continue taking pictures while I wait for the maturing process of the A7 series. I feel the 3rd generation of the A7 series will be truly great. These features are needed for me to treat the A7 series as legendary:
— quiet shutter, this is important
— faster than A6000 focusing, close to Nikon D4 fast
— weather sealing
— removal of AA filter
— (already available) image stabilization
I think that above magic combination will probably happen in the Mark III or Mark IV iterations. And by that stage, Sony’s lens catalogue will be fairly decent, hopefully.
So I’m going to wait another year, and meanwhile enjoy my A6000.
This is exactly what I’m looking for. A7 sensor and body + a way better autofocus system in pair with Nikon FF DSLR, But since I’m planning to change my APS-C nikon camera this year, I think I would wait a few years to switch to mirrorless, and get the D750 instead…
i’d say 46MP sounds odd… 1.5*1.5*24MP=54MP
or following the 12MP… 24MP… 36MP series, maybe 48MP would be next (which would be nice for 4k, as it is basically the a7s’s resolution*4).
but having a camera that would perform close to the a7s in terms of 4k video and high iso (when downsampled by merging 4 pixles to one), but would still retain the possibility to shoot high res on bright days would be cool.
of course the main problem would be, that in order to be comparable to the a7s it would probably need a base iso of 3200 or 1600, which then again wouldn’t really please the “i need >36MP AND high dynamic range with low noise”-part of the spectrum…
then again i have no idea of what sony is capable of.
… or an a7rII would be nice with IBIS and 4k out
with 4k being a 1.28 crop of the sensor’s width ->7360/(3840*1.5)=1.2777…
that way 3×3 pixles would be merged to one UHD pixel …(it’s probably a little more complicated than that because of colour subsampling and so on…)
Could be based on the architecture of the 20MP APS-C sensor.
Meh, this seems more like an a7rII.
How is is that the big Sony lead by the North Koreans didn’t get us some specs? 😉
I hope it has no AA filter.
It’s hard to achieve high fps+high megapixel.
It might be better to intruduce mutiple models
a9r (a7r d810 like) with high megapixel for landscape and commercial
a9s (d4s 1dx like) with high ISO and high fps good af speed
a9 video oriented with 4k midrange megapixel internal 4k
makes more profit and everyone gets what they needed
I strongly hope the body is full metal like the d810 d4s 1dx. Size factor like film fm2 f100 camera would make a very attractive pro body. When it comes to pro grade stuff, size and weight and make way for quality.
At least the D810 body is carbon
Magnesium-alloy, as far as I know.
Isn´t the D750 the “carbon reinforced” one? ^^
Yep.
Carbon reinforced plastic. (cheap)
Please A99 II before A9, we have had enough E-mount for the moment !
amen
+1
If you dont want Sony to go bunkrupt and make your A-mount investment stable, you should care about Sony’s profitability and let them sell E-mount bodies.
1. Way too expensive for the camera in the amateur system.
2. Way too many megapixels, i want no nore than 24 mp with high dynamic range and low noise at higher ISO.
Please, Sony, stop megapixel war, make dynamic range, not war.
your 2. is basically saying “I do not know how sensors work”
From 36 to 46 mpix is more pixels, but not a significant step in resolution. A resolution step as 24 to 36 would mean 54mpix.
I (crazy enough) could buy one of these provided that:
– IBIS
– No shutter vibration
– Electronic shutter
– Ergonomic like A7II preferably even better
– Much improved performance; start up, wake up, shutter release delay, AF….
– Non-destructive RAW (current destructive could be an option)
– Real world weather protection (not just marketing ploy)
– Sturdy bayonet, enough for up to 1.5kg lenses
Almost, not quite.
From 36 to 46mp is not enough bump to be visible to most people. You need 15-20% resolution increase for that.
24mp is 6000×4000 pixels
36mp is 7300×4932 pixels (22% increase in resolution)
46mp is 8300×5534 pixels (14% increase in resolution)
And yes, shutter vibration would be something Sony needs to completely dampen to achieve that resolution increase consistently. Also, Sony still needs to come up with an uncompressed raw option and one that records more than 11 bits.
There’s no discernible difference to my eye with Sony’s compressed RAW file, it still looks better than the 5D3 RAW’s especially when I start to bang stuff around in programs like SEP2. But, an option to a higher quality file would no-doubt be useful to some, so yes, give the user that option, I’ll take the smaller file-size 99% of the time. As to the shutter issue, it’s an issue “as it is on all high resolution cameras” BUT, only under certain conditions, its vastly overblown for those of us that shoot real-word subjects on a daily basis. EFCS has its own issues, as does the electronic, more inexperienced people screw-up with electronic shutters more than they ever will with the A7R’s clatter-shutter. But, again, if possible, a tamer shutter would be preferable (and if practicable) Sony will give us one no-doubt. But this one is more than adequate if one actually has a half decent understanding of camera-craft.
Give me Sony’s clatter-shutter and 11+7 RAW any-day over the kit I cut my professional teeth on many years ago, RB, P67, 500CM, Sinar Norma. Don’t get me started on FILM either, I’ll take an A7R & Exposure 7 EVERY day of the week. LOL.
What is SEP2? You should use Adobe with Canon… Careful not to cut your teeth.
How dare you question the authority of Thom!
“No discernible difference to my eye.”
Okay, so we have two variables there. Discernible, and your eye. Both of which are going to be subjective/anecdotal in this case, unfortunately.
What I can tell you is that those of us who have the tools to look at raw files can see very big differences between Sony’s raw files and Nikon’s from essentially the same sensor. The Sony files are missing data, the Nikon files are not. This gets us back to the same discussions as video codecs, and MP3 ripping formats, and a whole host of other similar processes. It’s the “good enough” versus “optimal” debate, basically.
I personally don’t want the camera to dictate that I’m always in “good enough” mode. One reason for that is that over the years I’ve discovered that software gets better and better and can pull more out of files, but only if the data is actually there. Yes, I used Compressed NEF from time to time–which also gaps data–but it’s my choice, and for a reason.
I’ll also note that Sony continues to use the term “16-bit raw data” in their marketing literature when referencing raw files. Basically, that’s a lie. It is not. It’s augmented 11-bit data that clearly gaps data, as people like Iliah Borg have demonstrated. The fact that Sony in marketing keeps mentioning 16-bit but in reality is using something less than that indicates to me that Sony themselves realize that if they marketed what it actually was, they’d look less capable than the competition.
No doubt we’ve come a long way over the years. But it seems to me that we could have come further.
>What I can tell you is that those of us who have the tools to look at raw files can see very big differences between Sony’s raw files and Nikon’s from essentially the same sensor. The Sony files are missing data, the Nikon files are not.<
I'm not going to disagree with you, give us "access" to a full 16 bit image, but if we're speaking candidly AND about using this camera in real-world photography situations this is only an issue to a "that tool" you reference.
Dave
> this is only an issue to a “that tool” you reference.
No. The tools I and others use to analyze the data recorded by a camera are being used to tell us WHY the camera didn’t perform to expectations in certain areas. Why is it, for example, I can pull shadow detail easier and without muddying on a D610 than I can on an A7? Well, to discover the answer to that, I need to use tools that allow me to see what’s happening through the entire process.
I’ve never hidden my preference for “best possible” as opposed to “good enough.” Sony is engineering to “good enough.” Frankly, I find that odd, as Sony’s reputation was established on “best possible.”
Honestly Thom, I’ve never seen work that’s worth a shit from any of these internet testers, DigLloyd et al. It’s pretty easy to find fault & nit-pick this kit to death, I could do it in my sleep. But for those of us trying to transition into motion (which is 50% audio) these Sony cameras are priceless where that Nikon D610 is about as much use as a 4 bit B&W file from 1984, its pre-amps are so noisy its audio is basically useless and without an EVF its crying-out for five grands worth of grip equipment. I’m not trying to be pedantic here, but there are a few of us that’ve been around the block a few times shooting this stuff for actual paying clients and even worked as staffers. If you don’t like the way the (percieved) muddy 11+7 Sony file looks, well that’s fine, you have to make that choice, but only you are seeing it with your tool. My 8 bit Apple monitor isn’t, the offset press isn’t, my printer isn’t and my clients don’t make comment, hell, they’re even happy with the subpar Sony 8 bit motion files we shoot.
Imaging is a three horse race now (if your actually participating in or thinking of entering professionally) internet blogging, seminars etc are a different arena that I’m not commenting on here.
Sony’s stills are good enough, motion good enough, audio good enough. As a “package-deal” it’s the best choice for multi-media work. Contrast that with the other guys with their abysmal attention to the audio side of things and you may see why your (perceived) muddy shadows aren’t really a concern.
I’m not saying the Sony’s are perfect, they aren’t, I’m not saying they’re not crying-out for refinement, they are. What I am saying these internet reviewers are CLUELESS, they’re picking apart the kit based on obscure observations, this file issue being one, the clatter-shutter on the A7R being the other. It peeves us a little, those who actually shoot this kit out of choice and with money on the table that we cannot get our voices heard for all the useless anecdotal static these “experts” create. There are serious usability issues with some these cameras, they’re only appreciated when its used for real. We’ve made our observations and recommendations and Sony are well aware of what matters.
Bit depth is number 574 on the complaints list, right behind number 573 the non-locking eye-piece diopter adjuster…………
As an A7RII these would be reasonabe specs.
As an A9 these specs are totally inadequate
My guess is a totally new body design is why they want to use a different name.
Don’t Worry, They will get it a little closer to where the specs need to be 4 months later with the A9II Release.
How can I say if I’d consider buying a camera basing on a couple of numbers?
Would you consider buying a car basing on a couple of electronic gimmicks on board, and the displacement? Of course not, I’d want to try it first. The same applies to cameras.
What I have seen so far is, Sony went down pretty bad after the A900. All the rest is worthless hype for keyboard photographers.
This site is for keyboard photographers, go out and shoot
You should follow your doctor’s advice and take those pills for your senile dementia.
Why concentrating on high resolution in such a camera and not working towards matching D4s/1Dx AF performance?!?
I know mirror-less are far from this AF performance yet, but this is the right direction, not increasing the resolution.
I am sure that if they could they would. If they could make a FF mirrorless body with D4s AF performance you can be sure they will have a product on the shelves the next day.
The next day? Really? It takes time and investment. Nothing impossible, E-M1, a6000 and NX1 are not that far off if at all in the latter case (C-AF at 15 fps). You can invest into making the best thing, or you can try to segment the market as Sony does.
I agree that currently, they just can’t compete with the D4s, but making a 46Mp FF sensor is also a huge achievement and costed them certain R&D investment. Instead of throwing this money to get 46Mp, they should have tried to get the 36Mp sensor match A6000 AF, or the 24Mp sensor surpass it.
Even if they only got their A7s 12mp sensor with big fat pixels, as close as possible to D4s AF performance, would have been much bigger than adding 10Mp to their highest res sensor.
The problem is, they can’t. The best mirrorless af system would be Canon’s dual pixel, but even Canon has not come out with a good mirrorless yet. There must be a reason.
46MP..meh. It’s not really the resolution that would win me over but the increase in file maliability, DR and build quality of the camera. For the love of Sony- don’t forget the touch screen this time.
I second that!
I think I will decide after Kim or Digglloyd opine about it.
It needs to have electronic first curtain shutter. That is the one thing that keeps me from getting the A7r, I shoot a lot at 1/30th a second and do not want shutter or mirror shake. Currently use a Canon 5DmII with mirror lock up. Would love to get a more modern body with more pixels and adjustable screen, can use a EF adaptor for the lenses. At 46 MP I do not expect 10 fps, or all electronic shutter or even great auto-focus, yet.
I get the feeling there isn’t too much truth about these specs.
Of course not, this is sonyalpharumors.com.
I get the same feeling and… I kind of wish Sony this is not true.
FE system has hardly any lenses. From what we’ve seen, some of them struggle on 24 MPx. Sony can’t build a photography system around 2 good standard primes… At least unless they want to address someone beside rich street shooters (but not rich or “trendy” enough to get a Leica).
Sony can keep up with designing FF lenses. So when a >40 MPx body comes out there will be 2 possible situations:
a) Sony makes lenses as before, so the new sensor is pointless,
b) Sony makes silly expensive lenses for the new sensor, but not much else => even owners of the “cheap” A7 will have to buy them.
Occasionally I struggle to understand how Sony can loose so much money on consumer electronics. And then something like this comes along…
I think Sony are protecting their 4k camcorders and missing the market here -most people want speed/focus accuracy and not more megpix or at least give us a fast pdaf A7R
yep… there are three things that would make my A7r perfect for me – fast pdaf, a silent(ish) shutter and IBIS. Sony has already release all of these in other cameras. I feel like rather than jacking the MPX count even further up, they could just combine all of these feature in a top of the line A9 camera… and then maybe release an A9x/r whatever for those that need to print wall size (or want to digitally zoom/crop even more than you already can with the A7r.
and this will be probably last A camera… I am selling all A-mount right now while is still worth something… damn I will miss 135/1.8
I use the 135/1.8 with LA-EA4 on the A7ii (delivering date next week). Tried it with the A7 and found it to work well. Great optics. Not usable for sports but fast enough for portraits, as intended.
Why is it not usable for sport in your case?
Compared tracking to my D810 and it wasn’t very good at that. A7ii is a little bit better, but AFC on D810 is excellent. But I don’t expect it to excel in this area. We want the look of the 135/1.8 for portraits.
Your Kidding Right?
Better late than never. Welcome to the world of proper cameras, you will never look back, be it Canon or Nikon. Both take excellent modern manual Zeiss lenses, too!
After switching from the 5d3 and using the A7/A7s for the last few months – I love the size and image, but… I would really like more battery capacity, faster AF, 4k internal and dual cards. Hopefully these specs make it into the A99mkII.
Dual card slots are really important for me, too.
Why?
My wife was shooting a client. Unfortunately that SD card broke, 3h of shooting gone. For important things like wedding and certain clients she now mirrors everything on the second slot. I heard many had similar experiences. Most of the time nothing happens, sad if it does.
Some cameras (A99) offer the function of saving each frame on both cards. That redundancy is important for special event shooting, most aren’t aware of that function. Your answer was correct. 🙂
sure, you replaced one of the best cams ever with a toy… are you an experienced fauxtographer?
Yes I did, 5d3 is good, but I’d hardly call it one of the best cams ever as it was a marginal refresh over the 5d2. That sensor is now over 6 years old and it clearly shows its age.
Got tired of the soft video and the shadow noise/banding in 5d3 stills. The DR between the A7 & A7s is dramatically better in both stills and video. Those “toys” have paid for themselves and a full lineup of FE lenses many times over since purchase.
OK I am talking to a pixel peeper, at best. No worries, carry on, enjoy your “marginal” statues.
Thanks, I will.
Enjoy overpaying for old inferior technology, your Canon fanboy family will still love you.
I think it still is the BEST ALL AROUND BALANCED camera, because it may not do 1 thing the absolute best, but it gives me everything I need in one system. AF is stellar for sports, low light is excellent, I think the size and weight is perfect, HD video is workable and moire free with the option of RAW, full frame, decent frame rate, awesome lenses, dual card slot (I will NEVER shoot pro work without this!!) I mean come on,
if I shoot the a6000, I will miss full frame
when i shoot my a7, i miss battery life, I get moire, can’t shoot sports / action, lacking lens selection
i love photography and I enjoy it more when i can use tools that allow me to create seamlessly, I don’t hate brands, I try them all and use what I like from each one, but man, the 5d is what I gravitate towards most because of it’s fantastic utility 🙂
cheers!
5d3 video hugely better than a7. 5d sharpens up better, I have a video on Vimeo. Lowlight better too. But I can’t get rid of the moire from my a7. And I kept my 5d along my a7 for pro work because I need longer battery life, better AF and dual cards. My a7 is for hobby stuff, it’s fun 🙂
Canon troll 😉 comment
You are on wrong forum, Canon watch is at following address http://www.canonwatch.com/
Bye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGr_hXgJVGs
shows how Canon 5d3 is obsolete 😉
Yawn, have you got anything of your own to show? Because this is junk, it’s not even in focus. Looking forward to your brilliant original contribution…
Canon 5Dm3 is almost 3 years old.
Back then it was the best high iso sensor with over 20 MPx.
Better than D600 and D800 (best Sony sensor back then).
5Dm4 will most likely be released this year. It should be rather good.
As far as high ISO goes, 7Dm2 is easily on par with best Sony APS-C available today. People who look at pictures instead of graphs prefer Canon’s grain and colors.
BTW: 5Dm3 doubles as a decent video camera and possibly the best FF all-round camera ever made.
Sony A7s – not so much.
However, A7s is the most expensive digital camera without weather sealing (excluding larger formats). I guess this is also some kind of achievement…
The A6000 blows away the 5DM3 for video at 1/5 the price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlWTB-Bsq4U
Why are you impersonating me? I hate Sony!
I’m confused again……
I hardly call that “blows away” lol
I really like the a6000, it’s a great value– I might get the a7000 🙂
But when shooting short films or wedding videos, I love how my 5d looks full frame and with my lens selection + the option of RAW. Just so magic.
The only thing that blows here is you…
It’s a pity E-mount lenses don’t blow away Canon EF. 😀
Canon 5D is easily the most popular video camera among pro photographers and poor cinematographers (i.e. people doing paid video jobs on a budget). I’ve even heard about some cinema movies that were partly shot with a 5D.
The A7 video sucks, A7s video is absolutely amazing. The A7s video is much better than 5d3 h.264, more DR and much sharper, lots more latitude to pull back highlights and lift shadows without introducing noise. I’m not interested in raw workflow or storage requirements, but that’s the only way 5d3 is better than the A7s. The grip gets me 3-4 hours of shooting and I have 10 batteries, so more than enough.
a7s is nice, but check the comparison video that sonyrumors just posted against the 5d mark 3 and c100 and gh4. by no means does it look a million times better, you have to keep looking at the videos side by side to notice the difference. im holding back on buying an a7s because when my friend shoots his and we look at it separately from my 5d, it’s great, but not “i need to replace my 5d” great for the work I do.
and having a grip on my a7 plus carrying 10 batteries is a little ridiculous to me. with grip its basically the same as my 5d in size, but not as ergonomic. and I prefer being able to shoot on just 1 battery all day, and not having to keep track of charging 10 batteries all the time.
sure i can shoot my a7 for pro work, but using the 5d just feels so much better, so good…. not to mention my lens choices
but to each his own!
Agreed, same here! But its a brand-new system 12 months old and we’ve gotten more movement in that short time that we ever saw in three generations with Canon’s 5D. Feel like that guy listening to the “digital is crap crowd” all over again, “real men use film” blah, blah. Those guys are all gripping hard to their DSLRS, same tune different words!!!
Not sure why the batter couldn’t be increased by 50 percent in size. I think these cameras should have a dual option accepting either or.
Sounds like a specialized landscape-shooting device like A7r again, not a sports camera or event workhorse still missing from the range.
What about the action camera? 12Mp, fast AF (at last)…
Since Sony killed off their SLT line, they need to demonstrate ASAP they have a proper replacement for it
Ultra-high resolution on FF is not as useless as some people think. It is a replacement for missing (and/or heavy and expensive) long teles in good or at least decent light. Especially if coupled with smooth digital zoom in EVF – it is not a DSLR after all, good things are possible.
Crop to APS-C, and you have 300mm/5.6 equivalent, crop to 4/3, you got 400/8 – something much more useful on a soccer/football/baseball etc field than a short 200mm. Even 24-70/4 would become a useful travel zoom, something totally missing from FE now (a zoom only going to 70mm is laughable by itself without a second body with a tele lens, and Sony released 2 of them and none of competitors of mass-market and ubiquitous 24-105 and 24-120).
We’re still beholden to the resolving power of our lenses, the best of which still show a noticeable reduction in sharpness even when cropping to APS-C equivalent.
DXomark about 55 Otus: 23 mpix on Nikon D610, 21 mpix on Nikon D7100
Yet the lenses are sharpest in the middle part of the frame, exactly the portion used for “digital zoom”.
Plus, you can bury the noise at smaller print sizes. Crop to APS-C and you still have yourself a ton of resolution. I like where this is going.
how about a nice 36mpx AA-less sensor like the A7r but with fewer sensor toppings to make it friendlier with range finder lenses and top notch AF. I’m kinda surprised that top notch AF isn’t already listed for a camera that’s supposed to take top tier in the alpha mirrorless realm. The 46mpx is just silly for a mirrorless cam. You can have a big SLR for ultra resolution crowd that could compete with medium format and be much more compact than most of the medium format offerings while still being in an A99-like body.
4 FPS = Fail
Nope, it’s ok for me. Not everybody wants to re-shoot Mad Max Fury Road with this camera
genotype = fail
I’m sorry is there a faster-shooting 46MP camera?
4 FPS is a fail whatever there s competitor or not 😉
Below 6-8 fps it s a fail as it s supposed to be an above A7 serie camera
It’s ok you are no photographer, it’s ok you want to waffle along anyway, but at least, learn which specs matter and which specs don’t. Hint: none matter – whoops sorry, that’s probably too advanced.
You should practice what you preach, but start out with the basics because you don’t have a clue.
You mean, geno is not a fail?
Maybe you are used of Canon or Hasselblad camera with u get a RX100 at 3000$ but for that price i expect minimum of improvement from one version to a upper one…. So i expected from Sony 😉 but maybe you did not get me because i was too subtle 😉
like in the sense of CI Sales quote 4 hours ago
If some ppl enjoy overpaying for ” shy ” improvements of technology, then Canon family will still welcome them 😉
yea i m not a photographer in the meaning i m not a professionnal… Do i have to not waffle and only buy a disposable camera.
Therefore “non-geek ” ( lots of Apple owners) will have to sell their Apple gears to take a Nokia 6630 😉 and an amstrad CPC 6128….
Whoops, again me, i have a Sony A6000 and i love the 11fps to shoot on focus mobile subjects ;)… and for info Canon 5d3 shoot at 6fps 😉 so why Sony can’t beat a 3 years old technology ;)….
You may think to be one of the rare photographers here as above comments had some opinion. Seems to me you are not very aware we were talking about High End level Pro camera and not about entry level market…
I use an old rolleiflex from 1956. It does 0 FPS. Well, if I crank it fast it does maybe 2. Wait, scratch that…probably just one. Is this a fail?
Would love to see this body with the incredable A7s sensor. No 4k onboard? WTF? Sony, you cant blame “heat” limitations this time.
My phone shoots to a crappy 4k codec that doesnt overheat…the new GoPro shoots 4k and doesnt overheat.
Admit it….You can easily do it but dont feel like upsetting your other 4k cameras.
you are comparing tiny unstabilized sensors to full-frame stabilized… of course they aren’t going to overheat.
True, however if the sensor can output 4k to an external recorder without overheating, then it’s down to body/processor design. A larger body would allow for more effective cooling. A larger battery would provide the needed power. Sounds like a job for A mount!
No. Anyway, SR2 says it all.
SR5 request for an SR2 rumor.
Multiple full frame RAW resolutions please.
And please return magnified playback to selected AF point like a900/700/200. So much better for field editing.
Please return Intelligent Preview for better flash photography.
So misleading to say a9 but show a99 in photo. Really had me going there for a second.
Why next Amount A99 successor is call A9? A9 will be new Emount Pro FF 2015 Jan/Feb. A99 successor should call it as A99MKII or A999 right…
Oh dear…
I’m eagerly waiting for the time when people spoiled, even corrupted by eye level shooting will go and we will finally have cameras suited for taking pictures, not for making them look like pros.
What exactly is wrong with eye-level shooting? 😮
Nothing at all.
Try to shoot, OK?
Choice of POV. It is much easier to find better perspective without pushing camera into an eye.
Example: it is not exacly a good idea to shoot torso portraits at eye level and the idea becomes worse when FOV goes wider. Sure, you can bend your knees, but the whole idea of eye-level apologists breaks in this case: it’s not a stable position at all. I doubt if it is any better than shooting with telephoto without eye level VF.
And there’s a better solution for stable shooting with telephoto than eye level: remote viewfinder and put long lens on a shoulder.
Rubbish.
First of all: using a viewfinder has many advantages. If you don’t know them, maybe you’re the one who should “try to shoot”.
And the idea you’re asking for is already here and it’s called tethering. Of course dedicated remote controller would be better. I’m sure I’ve seen a rumor about such a camera being developed.
After using DSLRs in the last century, and a View Camera for the first part of this one, I can say I never use viewfinders anymore.
No point.
Like this:
Nah he meant this 😛
It’s better indeed (try to take this with eye level VF), but I would love to go even further:
1) Square sensor: no need to rotate camera. Thus camera can be designed to be perfect to handle in the only position.
2) Remote viewfinder.
3) Some set controls and touchpad to control focus points.
That would be quite radical, but IMO will significantly improve shooting experience, especially for wide angle. Telephoto shooters can find more stable positions than they have now: put lens on a shoulder, press it into a chest, etc.
– 4 fps
– 100-25,600 ISO (extended 50 and 51,200)
Not at all an improvement to be above the current A7 camera series.
Therefore it will be a bigger sensor A7R with weather sealed ( maybe) and 5 axis ( maybe)
December fool joke ???LOL
NO. I will just wait until the A-Mount version I released.
As long as you keep buying the “Newest and Best” body Sony comes out with in E-Mount, Sony Will keep releasing a “slightly better” one every 4 months.
funny
many trash the a77 for the bad low ligth performance, 24mp required very tiny pixels
now they ask a ff with same tiny pixels
did they think that because its ff it will had better high iso than a smaller sensor with same size pixels? lol
“but with too many pixels i can crop usable images”
lol then you had not clue about focal length, composition, etc you may be croping all your ff images for ever until you realize you only needed an apsc with good skills
“i can convert my X lense in a telephoto lense equivalent croping my ff to apsc or m4/3 or nikon 1”
lol the sensor wont give you the resolution, its the lense, so keep dreaming in your perfect 100mp ff sensor that magically will convert your 50mm in a 500mm lol or just buy an v3 with an standar 300 zoom and brag about your “800mm” lense lol
“i want a7r resolution with a7s iso performance”
lol and again lol you had no clue about how sensors work, what you ask its imposible, better research and wake up from your dream world
“high fps and 4k”
well, only if sony upgrade bionz to a newer manufactering process or built a new processor, heat and power comsuption cant be reduced just with optimization, need to shrink the chip, taking in consideration how many 3rd manufactering chips are upgrading it could be a reality next year
“global and silent shutter”
that means an electronic one, and boy, we all want it, but will need a complete redesign of current chips, and in these days if not happend first in cell phones sensors then it wont happend in larger sensors, because theirs not current cell phones sensors with global shutter then it wont happend in ff for at least 2 years
“better AF than dslr”
well, .01 seconds faster or slower af dont make a world diference taking pictures, shrinking time between focus lock and shutter action i would apreciate that better, tracking af or continuos focus its really where the gap exist between dslr and mirrorless, and why would not, small resources from sensor or processor cant figth with a dedicated component that their only job its focusing, contrast and hybryd autofocus will never be as fast than phase detection, its like having 10 boxes in front of you, phase detection always know whats the winner, contrast and hybryd always had to guess, how fast they guess and try every box its the issue, on sensor phase detection cant match dedicated phase detection, just as a small car cant match a formula 1, if in the future and because of fast processing, af motors, newer more acurate focus alghoritms, faster sensor read out, etc the speed of contrast/hybryd af becomes so fast that humans can not notice the diference againts dslr, great!!! but dslr always will had better and faster af than mirrorless
How about downsizing to increase DR and S/N ratio? Or some kind of Sraw combining four pixels?
I like the com pining 4 pixels idea. A camera which shoots 48Mp at 4fps and good low-light but also lets us select 12 Mp at 12fps and great low-ight would also fit with sampling 4 pixels for each pixel of 4K video.
Likewise: a car is rumored to to have 4 wheels, a steering wheel and a 300 hp motor, would you consider buying it. Things are getting close to nonsense here!
LOL precisely.
How about 24mp at 12frames per sec with faster AF than the A6000 and also the ability to focus in near darkness like the A7s. Don’t forget a silent shutter, and 5 axis IBIS. A touch screen is also super handy for image review. This is the only way to crush the Nikon D4s and Canon 1DX with one fell swoop. It would also be amazing to have some sort of electronic shutter option like the old Nikon D70 so that you can sync your flash up to 1/2000 without loosing power.
I’d buy that camera. A global shutter with full flash sync would be the real killer feature even if it kept the sensitivity around that of the current A7 (which uses a 3+ year old sensor design—the worst at the pixel level of all the A7 models).
Please, please Sony …full 14 bit ‘unmessed about with’ Raw files!!
Seriously? I already have an A7 and an A99 that meet most of those specs, I see the only reason to purchase it is for the sensor. Give me faster than 7fps, silent shutter like the A7s, and internal 4K – the GH4 is doing it, its time to compete!
And GH5 with 6K is coming !
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Actually, that’s 8K.
No. Just waiting for the A77 mk3 in 2016. My A77 is doing just fine and the A6000 is a great travel camera. 46 mp FF and 4 fps. What’s the point?
I hope these aren’t the actuall specs. 4 fps is much too slow. When resolution starts compromising other aspects of the camera, it stops being a general professional grade camera and becomes a niche item.
When fps starts compromising resolution it stops being a professional camera for those of us doing architectural and landscape photography and becomes a niche item for sports buffs.
When resolution starts compromising speed it stops being a professional camera for those of us doing more than architectural and landscape photography.
While not required, 6-7fps sometimes is required to catch something in weddings/events/shows and also makes camera viable for most sports.
OP did not ask for 14fps Gatling gun…
So?
Get the camera that suits your gig.
Don’t ask that one that is ideal for others of us be compromised to be mediocre for all.
1 fps or slower would be fine by me
Go get MF and leave us alone.
Both B1 and M1200L take 2s to recycle at full power. Rangers are slower.
The Scoros keeps up with 2,5fps while seriously taxing the power line.
4 fps is quite low on the list of limiting properties for me, at least w/o leaf shutter lenses there are other factors clamping the max. speed anyway.
24mm, 35mm and 85mm primes. Native E-mount.
Small and not to expensive. When?
Ups! Sent this in as a rumour also 🙂
If correct i ‘m not in because i don ‘t need the megapixels.
There’s just no pleasing some people, especially those who think 46mp is not enough.
Should be an even number like 50.
Or an even number like 46.
I liked the idea of a low megapixel number (like A7s) for great low noise high ISO performance, and sensor shift for high resolution.
Well I’m still waiting to see the specs of the A99 II ( wish : with at least 36mp and gps and AF point coverage of a A77 II but this time covering FF )
I’d like to see shutter vibration eliminated and internal stabilization added but none-the-less these specs make for a very tempting camera.
anything less than world peace and i WON’T BUY!!!!!11!!!1
many thanks.
Sony should build us the A7s II.
Look at all the “No” Votes. If Sony can not pull in the “Don’t know it yet” Votes this will not go well. What does this Camera “do”, save for ‘compete’ with (steal sales from) the Pentax 645.
If it is not going to have the rumored new Sensor with “21 Stops of Dynamic Range” or build upon Fans of a (any) previous Lineup then it is either ‘competing’ with (stealing sales from) Sony (itself), or _possibly_ losing them to Samsung’s NX1 (which _might_ get 6.5K Video); maybe Nikon or Canon will awaken.
Doesn’t the A7s II make more sense (from a ‘ease’ of making, Fanbase, and practicality POV).
You know Rob’s not running Sony, and I know they don’t need my advice.
I agree. The improved grip would be great. IBIS is ok for certain situations, but the biggest issue with the A7s now is the extreme rolling shutter lag, more so than lack of stabilization – so I hope that could be improved first and foremost, even at the expense of IBIS if it came down to one or the other.
Rolling shutter is a rip, I hate it. It prevents me from buying a Camera.
I am aware that there are a couple of Cameras that do not have RS, I just hate that they keep releasing more Cameras with RS. If people understood it better it would be shunned. I hope 2015 is the “Year of no Rolling Shutter”.
IF using IBIS could make the rolling uniform then at least it can be reduced in Post. What is WAY worse than “Rolling Shutter” is the “post-stabilized Rolling Shutter” it produces, otherwise know as jello-cam (when most of the Image seems stabilized properly but you get ‘big bubbles’, warping, or the whole Frame starts jiggling.
The ‘jello effect’ completely wrecks the Shot worse than a bit of ‘leaning while panning’ (which Firmware _could_ reduce) does. I hate when you are looking at a Video Scene where the Camera holds still and all of a sudden it starts wobbling like crazy.
There is no way to fix it, you have to Tripod or SteadiCam / Gyro it away in the first place. That is a lot more to carry (and pay for) when Global Shutter could fix all those headaches.
When the a7sII comes out (it “has to”, doesn’t it) we will see if the Hardware (IBIS) and Firmware benefit from another generation of development. I’ll bet I’m still holding out for GS but the a7sII will certainly be a tempting Video Camera.
Blackmagic
Their 10″ Screen is neat, if I wanted a 10″ Screen. The 5″er is OK but it needs a few add-ons, which makes it bigger.
For truly small how about this: http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sony-global-shutter-cmos-sensor.html
It is small and a Sony Sensor. It is ‘Camera on a Cable’, the Camera’s Brains are an external Laptop. There are some 4K versions of these coming along with much higher resolutions, even Fan, Water, or TEC Cooling.
Waiting for 2015 … sigh.
The BM4K camera has very low dynamic range and limited ISO capabilities. The Sony F55 has a global shutter and doesn’t seem as crippled dynamic range wise as the F55, but costs more than 10 times what this Sony camera will likely come out at.
Do you have any idea how absurd your comments are? 21 stops of DR? 6.5K video on the NX1? Have you actually used a camera before?
You have not read before, learn to.
They shouldn’t even do 4k if it’s not recorded internally. Nobody but a few filmmakers are willing to buy a separate 1000-2000 external recorder to do 4k.
Very few people need long bulb exposure, but it’s the inclusion of features to accommodate the workflows of the general body of professionals that determines the success or failure of any camera. If you really need to record 4K, using a 4K recorder is a good idea, something that can deliver ProRES or Avid, high bit-rate or “RAW”, and using large size professional media.
Nobody but ‘a few film makers’ is going to get any advantage out of 4k vs 2k.
Would you rather Sony simply increases the price by $1,000 to $2,000 so everyone can pay for the internal 4k feature even though only a “few filmmakers” need it?
That’s silly — the Atomos Shogun is recording, storage, monitoring, etc for $2k. Onboard 4k recording would not be nearly that much to include in the camera’s core features/price.
Yes, I realize it’s a bigger sensor with greater heat issues than the m4/3rds GH4, so not true apples to apples, but that cam is a year old. My point is 4k should be internal or not at all. If it had lower bit internal recording, pro filmmakers could still choose to add the Atomos if it meets their needs.
1 – It’s not silly from the perspective of the manufacturer. You are not paying for how much the components cost Sony. You are buying the feature. If they price it too low, it will cannibalize sales of their higher end video cameras.
2 – why does it bother you that some people can take advantage of 4k output? You would prefer no one has the feature because you will not since you cannot ever rent or buy a recording device. You realize there are few 4k hdmi recorders now but additional 3rd parties are welcome to make them (and perhaps cheaper in the future).
I will buy it, and I would be happy that no one else is buying it. By joining Sony camp, I already become a hipster, but I am perfectly fine being a hipster 🙂 Don’t judge.
Frankly I like the specs. It’s probably not remotely close to what A9 actually offers considering it’s SR2, but I will pre-order it if the specs turns out to be true.
I’d say Olympus is more hipster.
M43 sensor being too small….
Sony has been keeping the specs of the new A9 camera very secret.
If these very unimpressive specs are accurate I totally understand why they are so secret.
Do you actually have any clue what you are talking about?
I wonder what I am going to read on social media pages, when Sony will come out with camera as having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
I just can’t wait.
just need:
-no less and no more than16-20 Mp A7S sensor type camera, silent shutter, 5axis & flip also touch screen.
-And a bunch of absolute great lens series.
thats it .
Hurry up & do it now Sony!
“likely” to come during the “first half” of 2015…again delayed?
4fps looks like crap too.
A7R does 4fps (without AF) and the files from A9 will be larger. So this is some improvement.
At least it is weather sealed (although it’s a first time for Sony, so we shouldn’t expect a lot…).
Please, please, please, please and please —> FULLY articulated LCD!
Or better yet, no “built in LCD” but packaged with a detachable unit that could even be remotely tethered.
That would defeat the purpose of ergonomics… How do you handle an external LCD unit while you need both hands to operate the camera? And how do you cope with windy situations, where an external LCD greatly increases camera or tripod shake? It makes sense for video, but not for photography.
Assuming it’s an FE mount and higher than the A7rII (when it eventually comes out) I’d like to see:
– 36+ MP w/o AA filter or sensor topping issues
– PDAF Capability
– IBIS (even better than A7II)
– Higher Battery Capacity
– Best EVF Bar None
– Weather-Sealing
– Compact (a bit bigger than A7-series is acceptable)
– Fully Electronic Shutter (and/or EFCS)
– Quiet Mechanical Shutter
– Better Tethered Control
– Excellent External Ergonomics (but still keep it compact in size)
The above will not be cheap, but neither was my D800 . . .
Oh yes, forgot to add uncompressed true 14 bit RAW files please . . .
For me the ideal camera would be a combination of the existing A7 cameras:
From the A7ii: image stabilisation and the bigger grip.
From the A7R: No AA filter
From the A7S: stupidly good ISO and silent shutter
MP wise 18/24 would be enough as long as it had a great ISO, weather sealing and a bump in FPS would also be desirable and on the movie side of thing 4k internal higher bit rate and reduce the A7S’s rolling shutter.
All of this is currently possible please put it into one camera!!!
I couldn’t agree with you more!
If they made such a camera I would jump on it.
Find yourself a woman.
A camera like that won’t happen. No one would buy an A7. Unless A9 costs $5000, because then no one will buy the new model. 🙂
That’s stupid. Who cares if no one will buy an A7. Why sell 3 different types of cameras in the same range instead of 1 camera that will serve everyones needs and then everyone will buy that? stupid marketing degrees make the marketers think they know better than the customer. not so.
Stupidly good ISO and no AA filter are impossible in single camera at the moment. Well, not entirely impossible, you can always remove AA from 12 Mpix sensor and get disastrous images. You need high mpix count to remove anti aliasing, and you need low mpix count for “stupidly good ISO”.
What CAN be done, on the other hand, is to eliminate the “middle model” line A7, and leave 2 models; A7R with IBIS, no filter, high mpix and bigger grip, and A7s with bigger grip, high ISO, fast OSPDAF, IBIS and internal 4k.
New lenses coming soon (SR0)
I don’t care if it’s 100 megapixels with 16 stops of DR, I will not buy a Sony camera until they can output a proper file.
Give me 14bit lossless RAW files or no deal!
Voted no because E Mount and < 50mp
So basically nothing new yet, besides the 46mp sensor… Sounds like the bigger brother of A7R… Need a 24mp A7S follower with 4k internal.
OT: @admin: any news on the RX2? Thanks
If Sony is really going to put out a body to compete with Canon 1Dx and the like, at this point in time, I feel it makes more sense to release a Pro A-mount body first as they already have a solid, large aperture lineup from 16mm to 500mm. Future A-mount customers are going to increasingly high-end pro / niche, and the bodies need to follow that trend. They should have a Ppro E-mount body too, but I would release that in the fall when they have a few more native lenses ready.
hopefully there are 2 sd card slots, a real 1/250 sync, global shutter would be super but I think we have to wait for that feature another 2-3 years
, the AF from A6000 , Image Stabi, but for me global shutter with x sync to 1/1000 sec like the RX1 that would be innvation.
and please release lenses !!! like a prime 85 mm 1.8 or 1.4 or 2.0 I dont mind but its so out of mind 3 bodies but no 85 mm standard prime lense ???
A7r is a nice little camera, but add adapter and A mount lens and its not so easy, the balance is wrong and the camera feels wrong, front heavy and ergonomically clumsy. A mount lenses on the A7r give fantastic quality so doubling up and buying E mount equivalent which arent as good isnt an option. Put the sensor in a larger A mount body and problems solved, A mount lenses + plus correct ergonomics re body and lens.
Biggest problem with the A7r is lack of quality lenses to match the sensor quality.
I dont quite understand you, there is fantastic Zeiss 16-35, sonnar 55, loxia 35, 70-200 OSS, they all are on par or better than a-mount counterparts. The only reason one would go to a-mount is AF-C, and i am sure that e-mount will be equal or better in this segment also as soon as the end of 2015.
And even if you would put A7r sensor in SLT body, you wouldnt get such crisp images because of static mirror, which is another piece of glass between sensor and the scene. I would like the technology develop naturally, and eliminating mirror is very logical step, provided that on-sensor-PDAF continue its development towards DSLR quality. SLT is on the brink to be obsolete.
I have an A7r + the CZ lenses, Zoom, 135mm etc, huge heavy and optically terrific, to use it I have to put the adaptor on the A7r body which contains another mirror and adds extra length. It all works but its not a comfortable setup. I’d rather purchace a bigger better balanced A mount body than ditch all my $$ A mount glass and start again. Problem is that if I did that, as soon as, Sony will release the long awaited A9911 or whatever they will be called and I’ll be stuck with a bunch of E expensive E mount glass. Sony seems to like dicking the Pro end of its market around.
In fact I bought a cheap Sony kit zoom for the A7 just because it was easier to use and carry around which is sad but the A7r+adaptor+bigCZ lens is not a comfortable working camera. For studio its fine, outdoors not so. I’d like a slightly bigger camera as thoughI find the A7r cute its not easy to work with quickly as the controls feel too crammed.
Just another point.
Compare the optical specs on the A mount CZeiss 24 -70 zoom and the E mount CZ 24 – 70 zoom, why would you bother with the E mount? Generally its the same with all E and A mount test comparisons. I realise I can drop a bundle on a nice Leica but to be fair I’m comparing Sony A and E mount lenses.
Well, that is the matter of personal taste. You use LA-EA because you chose to. If fast tracking was a priority to me, i would never bought A7r in the first place. Adding LAEA to E mount is a bad move in my opinion, you end spending more money for the bulk equal to A mount. As of the lenses, you are far too much impatient. FE mount exists for less than 2 years, and yet there is already 55mm Sonnar which is far better than A-mount equivalents. With A7II for example, your 135 Zeiss would be perfectly balanced (stronger mount, bigger grip, heavier body). A7RII will most certainly feel similar. You have to understand that E mount is in its earliest development phase, and if you want to use it, you have to be more patient. If you can`t, you can use A99, which is still a terrific camera capable of taking great photos, and stop worrying what model will come next and concentrate more on photography than gadgetry. I shot Nikon 80-200 AF f/2.8 (~1400 grams) on Nex7. Without tripod, available light. Manual focus, no electronics on adapter. Not perfectly comfortable, but more than possible and usable.
I waited years for an upgrade from my lovely A900 to an equivalent D800E from Sony, many many years now. Its all about usage. I have a 50mpxl Hassalblad, great camera but a real pain to drag onto locations overseas, big pelican cases, cant get insurance and the weight is too much, 4 big lenses, + kit + it requires a huge tripod, the 200mm is a monster and mirror slap (remember that) has to be managed, its slow but results are stunning. I also carry DSLRs as backup or for work on the move. I’m all about resolution and good glass, mostly tripod work and make very large detailed prints from the files. Occasionally though I need a hi res lighter camera so I like many have held onto the A mount lenses and waited for Sony to fill the gap. Recently I bought an A7r, just for its sensor which gives terrific results but looking at it objectivly (and I’ve been in the game 30 years) its a pragmatic compromise, a mash up. If I add the adaptor then a big A mount lens it works but it aint right, it feels wrong, clumsy and badly balanced which is reasonable as in fact its two different systems joined in the middle, the A7r will be remembered for offering hi res in a cute elegant body. But practically it lacks, my working camera for years was a Mamiya RB67, big, ugly heavy but the only way to get hi resolution film images (forget 5×4 – too heavy). A 36mpxl or higher DSLR is a dream camera for someone like me, portability, great glass and v high resolution, Sony is so close to my idea of a killer camera but seems to choke whenever it gets near.
I want a fullframe A-mount with those specs.
My two pence, FWIW:
I want an Alpha mount 30 or 36Mp cam with Backside Illuminated Sensor and copper wiring with NO AA filter.
It should have 5-axis IBIS with ability to switch panning mode on or off. AND work well with longer focal length lenses.
Latest video CODEC.
Touch screen with comparable functionality to Samsung NX1.
Seamless and complete WiFi integration with phone/tablet/PC.
Global shutter for completely quiet capturing, even if only up to 1/1000th of a sec. But with latest tech it’s possible to go up to 1/16000th so why is this not done yet?
Built in intervalometer. What’s so hard about this? Forget about the fancy add-on apps. Just do it.
In-camera editing. Preservation of RAW HDR shots.
New panoramic photo taking process. The current one has been superceded by the likes of Samsung and Apple. Their implementations work incredibly smoothly and delivers stunning results. Sony needs an update. They can’t rest on the backsides just because they were the first to do it properly.
Flash sync as high as 1/500th sec if possible, otherwise the standard 1/250th sec.
Touch screen. Did I mention a touch screen comparable to Samsung NX1?? OR better.
Eye-focus tracking – improved if possible.
To enable focus with older lenses – the silly transparent mirror.
To maximise IQ – ability to flip up or remove or drop down that same mirror and use on-sensor AF – with the latest lens changes which enables ultra fast focussing ala A6000 and A7II.
If possible – developer access to camera functionality. This is going to be BIG. Samsung have started the full-on ball rolling with the NX1 and if Sony doesn’t watch out, they’ll be left behind.
Not gonna happen within the next ~5 years.
@admin
Is it likely to see this new A9 before the A7RII, A7SII? I have sold my Fuji system and considering between the A7II, D750 but I think I can wait if the A9 is supposed to be released in February.
40+MP no AA filter, 5 axis stabilization, 4k native recording, fast focusing, weather sealed. I think thats the dream camera that would work for anyone
only if it has intraframe compression
Nice image…
only if it can use the external flash IR illuminator.
I’m happy with what Sony are doing with the A7 series, and can never justify a camera that costs in the $3,000 range.
Sony needs more FE lens, not more camera models.
For me the lack of internal 4K recording is a deal breaker. I shouldn’t have to buy external recorders for stuff like 4K video. Especially when their action Cams come with it built in. A Pro model should include every bell and whistle possible!
I agree and I also want at least 11fps with super fast autofocus.
What’s going on with a mount
I’m devating between a a7 series or the a99 , i own a carl Zeiss 24-70 f2.8 , i bouhgt the adapter for the E-mount i have the sony a6000 but I’m not happy with the set up, hopefully they come out with a99 mark 2
No 4K internal recording is INSTANTLY a dead deal for me. At this point in time, no 4K at this price point is totally unacceptable. And I don’t wanna hear any more Alice in Wonderland crap BS about sensor overheating or whatever “impossibilities” to record internal 4K. Who does Sony think they are joking with? Cheap compact cameras can record 4K and this not? I’m surprised Sony is still afloat. Maybe their $1200 Walkman and $155 companion “audio optimized” SD card will save them. What a joke..