The Olympus OMD 5 axis stabilization diagram.
Well, it looks like Sony has plenty of surprises on the horizon. Digicameinfo reports that Sony will soon announce the α7II (ILCE-7M2). The “updated” A7 camera has following features:
– 5-axis in body stabilization (same as the Olympus E-M1)
– Tilting 3 inches 1.23 million dot LCD screen
– Shape and grip design are different than current A7 series.
– Comes along the new VG-C2EM vertical grip (it takes two NP-FW50 batteries)
The weird thing is that SAR sources tell there is a second(!) new PRO model coming in January/February with:
– Advanced version of the A6000 hybrid AF system
– Weather sealed and mroe high quality body
– Sony will also NOT re-use the 36MP (A7r) or 24MP (A7 and A99) sensor.
There is yet no other info about sensor specs and final release of the camera. Also to be answered is if that is just an “updated” A7 or the new rumored A9. The addition of the 5 axis stabilization is definitely a MASSIVE welcome news! I just hope Digicameinfo sources are right on this (they usually are). Stay tuned on SAR!
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terrific.
This is great news!
With two posts, we can definitively double up on the wish-list production line.
COME ON!
This will take away the last advantage of A-mount over E-mount: the IBIS. If this becomes reality, dedicated A-mount cameras are no longer required. An E-mount camera with this IBIS system combined with a good E2A adapter will be equivalent to an A-mount camera, but much more flexible.
Wrong. None of the flashes are fully compatible with e-mount bodies or LA-EA adapters. The af assist flash does not fire. Also the LA-EA4 is woefully slow and has the focus tech from the basic outdated entry level sony dslrs. We need an LA-EA5 with the a99 focusing system and full flash compatibility before the e-mount can be a true replacement.
That is why I stated: “a good E2A adapter”, which implies one with a AF system that is up to par with the A77-II or A99.
Is it really true that the flashes you use on A-mount cameras (like the HVL-F43M) do not work properly on E-mount bodies? That sucks.
A99 AF system sucks, it’s one of the biggest drawbacks of A99, so if there’s going to be a new E2A adapter, then it should definitely has AF better than A99, otherwise there’s no point for me in moving from A99 to new A9
Yep. Seeing is believing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4o73Pg3UL8
Ok, so there is an issue with the AF assist light. Who knows, maybe Sony will address this on a future camera. For the rest, the flash will work properly on the E-mount camera.
The flashes work on E mount bodies. I have F43M and have no problems. Mirrorless cameras don’t need the AF assist light and the complaint is that the assist light isn’t used for the mirrored adapter where it could be of benefit.
Hi Andrea – does this marry up with the info you’ve had from your sources? I’d be all over IBIS but I was under the impression it wasn’t feasible on FE…
I am checking now. But things look VERY good now. I am also in touch with the guy from Digicameinfo to triple check things…
Thanks Andrea – exciting times!
IBIS should have been in the E-mount cameras from the beginning. Now a lot of people wasted a lot of money and weight on OIS in many* lenses.
*”Many” by E-mount standards.
It could well be that OIS offers better stabilization than IBIS (in the Sony implementation). If that’s the case, being able to choose (OIS or IBIS) would be a nice option.
OIS cannot offer better stabilization than 5-axis IBIS in principle. No rotational and translational (in practice) components of handshake are stabilized by OIS.
feb’15. now, please.
definitely. Maybe even long before that 🙂
really hope so.. Whats good about the 7r is so good..but whats bad makes working with it on a daily basis..unnecessarily challenging. There is no way that this doesn’t look like an admission of the R’s flaws..its best to accept this and fix it asap so the day to day of people working with the system improves.
Just need a improved weather resistant body and i done.. my dream camera.
So will A9 also have IBIS?
Digicameinfo believe A7II and A9 are likely the same camera.
So is announcement imminent?
As rumored before, coming next spring.
All these rumours may well be true and Sony are trying to keep up the momentum they have created recently, but I can’t help feeling that they will be creating a whole load of confusion for potential buyers at the same time!
Canon might be attracting criticism for being the opposite at the moment, with very little in the way of innovation, but they’re still making money. If too many customers begin to hold off buying because they think a newer, better model is going to be along any minute Sony might shoot themselves in the foot!
Great! Now, with this the frame rate will be a whopping 1 per minute!
Why? What has this to do with frame rate?
such a bad attempt of humor…
(SR5) No, there will be no IBIS in E-mount.
A different shape. That means that they are not satisfied with the shape of the A 7 series. Im feeling alitle confused now. I want the a9, but i am curious about the a7 mk II. So i have to wait and compare these two cameraes along each other before i decide then
I just took that to mean they won’t follow the A7 body shared by A7/A7S/A7R. Makes sense to distinguish this if you are calling it A7MII. But a deeper grip does not make sense with a RF style camera, this is almost certainly going to be DSLR-styled.
Considering the fact, that I love using the OMD with IBIS, this will definitely make me buy one. Already sold the Fuji XT1 + lenses since I didn’t like the retro control scheme to make room for what Sony releases next year.
Obviously A mount will be replaced by mirrorless E mount…but till now A mount users have not been included in that transition.
This appears to indicate that Sony might finally come to thier senses and make A mount fully compatable with E mount.
Certainly this makes makes sense considering the huge lack of lens selection in E mount..ie..long lenses and macro lenses…
again.. another person thinking a-mount will be replaced by e-mount. Didn’t Sony once say (not too long ago) that a-mount is targeted towards a different audience?
If Sony knew who that audience was then I’d be inclined to believe it.
I believe only what Sony actually does.
What Sony says has proven time and time again to to be totally worthless.
Like some posters here, specifically named Barry.
I don’t get it… Took nikon 3 years to replace the d7000 to the 7100 and 3 years to replace the d800 to the d810….
The canon 60d took idk how many years to replace to the 70d and obviously more than 3 years to replace the 7d…
the Sony a77ii only took 3 years to come after the a77 release. So if my guesses are correct. Sony will be doing a 3 year cycle with the a-mount system. Remember, Sony once said they’er focusing on the high market. (i believe the a7x and a9x series) The a99ii will most likely come after the Canon 5d mk4. This is because the a99 came out a year after the nikon d800 and months after the canon 5d mk3. Putting it all together it kinda makes sense…
no one replaces a camera every 18 months… especially the high market/pros. It’s not an iPhone haha
plus: 3 new lenses were announced. If they wanted to drop a-mount. I’m sure they wouldn’t of put effort into that. #cheers
Agreed – I think Sony is reaching out to the A-mount users, providing them with a better migration to e-mount (should they so choose to do so). Possibly also positioning themselves for better video on emount?
Well, that would be a surprise, especially at the EF mount’s throat size is a tight fit for an FF sensor’s image circle. IBIS requires around 2-3mm clearance for sensor movement. There is, of course, a way to deal with it by having a mild crop so, in IBIS mode the frame would be reduced by around 5%, maybe a little more. With IBIS turned off, it could revert to true FF.
If this was to appear, it would be excellent news for owners of A-mount lenses. (Or any other legacy lens, provided there’s a way of entering the focal length).
Difference in sensor format would make it easy for Sony to split the A9 line though. FF for A7r-2 geared toward high resolution and maybe APS-H for a A7-2 with IBIS, geared toward more action shots. That would sell well and that would be somewhat similar to what Canon/Nikon are offering.
Given that it’s easy to crop down an FF frame, then I don’t see any purpose in having a smaller format sensor like the APS-H (although I suppose it slightly reduces the mass for IBIS purposes). The fact Canon had the APS-H format was due to the state of technology at the time the EOS 1D was introduced. Canon no longer offer an APS-H sensor camera (since the 1D Mark IV went out of production), and I can’t see why Sony would want to go down that route.
Two reasons why APS-H would make sense :
1) lower costs because you can make more sensors with the same wafer
2) having clear segmentation in the product line (not that Sony would go for that)
I’d still be happy if it’s a FF sensor with IBIS though
I think any cost saving would be outweighed by the tooling, design and development for what is very much a minority product.
As for segmentation, then I also have doubts. Canon have collapsed the 1D range into a single model from two. There are already clear market splits between the A7/A7R & A7S, and now there’s this rumour (which I tend to believe) of a “pro-spec” E-Mount camera.
Anyway, I think an APS-H (or similar sized) cropped sensor for a still camera is extremely unlikely.
E-mount has 46.1mm mount diameter while a full frame sensor has a 43.3, so the 2-3mm of clearance you speak of is there.
I don’t have an e-mount lens to measure it, but from what I read, the 46.1mm is the inside of the mounting. What counts is the internal diameter of the lens barrel, and it would be nice to know what that is.
Of course, it’s not as simple as even that. There is a certain amount of “image spread” that can occur after the end of the lens barrel and before the sensor, albeit that’s a short distance on e-mount. That depends on the rear pupil exit size and how far that is from the sensor.
As I don’t have an A7 series camera and lenses, it’s not something I can measure. But in any event, it’s tighter that on A-Mount.
Hmmm… interesting. I wonder if this is in any way related to Sony’s new 1.5″ sensor design/patent. Could Sony be thinking of shrinking their Full Frame sensor just a tiny bit?
That 1.5″ sensor rumour is almost certainly a hoax. In any event, that design had a diagonal less that that of APS-C (not to mention something like a 2:1 aspect ratio and was specced for video, not still use).
(1.5″ is not the size of the sensor – it relates to the sizing method used for video cameras tubes dating back as far as the 1950s).
Don’t you just love it when know-it-alls speaking from a position of ignorance and arrogance like SteveGJ get proven wrong time after time.
Examples please? I get the odd one one wrong, but I think my hit rate is very good. It might also help having studied physics at Imperial College, London (1973-1976), which gave me a good foundation in quantum mechanics, optics, semi-conductors, mathematics and, frankly, spotting bullshit technical claims.
As for this one, here’s the video of the Olympus 5-action stabilisation in action. There is no discernible z-movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxgnE6xY0OA
nb. I’m sure that Imperial College can confirm I graduated in physics if you doubt my claim.
FINALLY
Sounds like BS to me. Sony just stated they do not work with Oly in digital cameras (medical only?), was it Photokina interview? Now they supposedly have oly 5-axis in a camera.They are rolling out and releasing more stabilized lenses etc. Sorry, I’m not buying this, this about 66th time we hear “IBIS for E Mount” rumor and I think this gonna end up like the 65 rumors did. Sony has a lot of work to be done in the cameras: AF/tracking, 36+ MP sensor with EFCS, burst speed/buffer, uncompressed RAW, better & less laggy EVF, UI/usability improvements… With the OSS zooms already out I quess & hope they do not waste their time with IBIS.
Didn’t they have IS on sensor for A99, for example? So they know about this technology.
Yes, Look how big advantage/market share that got them. We’ve heard this before, never happened. Nobody cannot be sure, maybe the rumor is right this time, but I’m just not buying this before I see a product released.
You can’t buy it until it’s released.
No it could be that they announce that they’re cooperating starting with the announcement of this camera.
So only the “pro” version gets the a6000 AF? That would be downright stupid on Sony’s part- it can’t be right. Their big downfall with everyone I know that’s shot with these and didn’t like them was the AF. I’m still shooting Canon because of the AF. The a6000 AF still isn’t as fast as my DSLR bodies, but at least it’s “usable”. I can handle limited lens selection, but the current A7 lineup can’t even AF on a running child. I won’t pay for a pro body just to get the same AF found in the a6000.
Are you have A6000 ?
A6000 focus better than most DSLR of canon.
My brother has the A6000 at my recommendation, and I’ve spent a good deal of time with it. For action it’s the best mirrorless I’ve used, but doesn’t stack up to center-point AF on the 6D or 5dm3 in many situations. I used a 6D and the A6000 both at the same evening football game a few weeks ago- I’d take the 6D hands-down for those situations.
Because your a6000 lens sucks.wait you telling me you put better lens on a6000 over 6D?
No, it does not even come close. Try it instead of crying your pants off.
Not sure about the A6000, but my lousy PEN E-P5 is way faster at focusing than my Canon 6D.
That entirely depends on what you’re shooting. For fast sports, your PEN will suck donkey ballz compared to the center-point on the 6D. Ditto for low-light concerts and several other scenarios. I’d prefer the A6000 AF to the 6D, but not over my 5dm3.
I imagine the A6K AF will make it into ALL new models – it’s just that the ‘pro’ model is the next one being announced (and so the next one to get it).
That’s what I would expect. You never know though. Scaling up the phase detection to the larger sensors may pump up the sensor cost into the pro range for this next generation.
A5100 already has A6000 AF so you could get that.
This rumor shows again Sony’s inconsistency…The A7 system uses non stabilized FE primes and stabilized FE zooms (in this regard just like Nikon). The DSLT system uses ibis stabilization. Everything is great by now. But WHY add ibis to the next A7/A8/A9 (whatever the name)? Why didn’t they chose ibis in the first place an drop the OSS? This looks like a mumbo jumbo and gives the client the feeling that Sony’s engineers are stupid just like their marketing department colleagues…
Sony just don’t follow one line. Instead they want to do everything. A pioneer in technology and market leader in different categories… all at the same time. Of course, if you try to do everything, something will get lost on the way.
One the one hand this give us a lot of new toys to play around. On the other hand you will never get that feeling like you have with Fuji who are really committed to a certain concept.
Sony is a jack of all trades master of none considering their sales, revenue and profit. I’m talking about Sony as a whole, not only the imaging division.
I am willing to bet that more ‘pros’ use Sony than Canon and Nikon together, if you look across Sony as an entire business.
That’s why the 5D/1D and Dxxx/Dx/Dxs series have a ton of sales compared to the A99? The A99 was a marketing flop…
And? Have a look at Sony’s WHOLE business, not your puny ‘pro’ DSLR niche. It is you who wanted to talk whole of business.
This is a site concerning imaging products (especially still cameras). We’re not talking dishwashers, TV’s etc. Also, as a whole, Samsung and LG are eating Sony alive. Sony was great…20-30 years ago…
You said ‘I’m talking about Sony as a whole, not just the imaging business’. Yes Lucky Goldstar and Samsung are very good at selling bigger is best type products with no substance, feel free to buy into their cameras as a ‘pro’ too.
Sony is also selling products with no substance if you compare them to the likes of Bang&Olufsen, Schneider, Mamiya etc. Also the less of substance is ginven by the fact that Sony products are made in Thailand or China as opposed to Japan in the old days. So Sony, Samsung and LG are the same thing nowadays. The Korean duo has more clients, more sales and much better management. Those are the real differences 🙂 We’re not in the 90’s anymore!
My experience with Samsung is they don’t last very long. Disposable tv’s phones, and blu ray players etc. I haven’t used their cameras but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are the same. Sony still has better longevity on balance even after they cheapened quality as everyone else has. To speak to the companies management makes me wonder why you made such a broad statement. That would take a books worth of posts to come close to prove or disprove.
What a crock of $hit.
I want a dishwasher that can take pics. Does Samsung offer this? I didn’t think so…..
Pretty sure you are using iphone with their slow, consistent product lauching on same month and predictable minimum innovation.
And that is why people like you should just take video. Because there is no such thing as good or bad video. Unlike photography.
rumors also show the unicorn’s inconsistency
Maybe it’s timing. Sony started to nail AF only after A6000 came out, which was almost a year after they acquired a stake in Olympus. Presumably there wasn’t enough time to get the tech into the A7 cameras (remember, even for the A7S that took longer to come out, R&D started at the same time as the other A7’s) Of course they deny everything but who believes that. So Oly-style IBIS implementation might have taken a little longer?
Canon, Nikon and Sony (the only in-lens stabilization promoters regarding full-frame cameras) claim 4 stops of in-lens stabilization. Olympus claims 5 stops ibis but given the 4 times less sensor size vs. full-frame. If Sony will use ibis on a full-frame mirrorless (that has to stay small and light like the A7) it won’t have more than 3 stops ibis…I repeat, if they want to keep the size/weight down.
Then you have the chance to pick the stabilization you prefer. In-lens or In-body. Just turn one on and the other off from your body. End. But for those who use lenses without stabilization can be kind of a help (legacy lenses, primes,…). Furthermore, you don’t even have to buy this A7II, just buy an A7 mark I for an even lower price and be happy
I’m also struggling to see the logic – it gives options for people using non-stabilised lenses and I’d welcome it for my 35/2.8 and 55/1.8, but why support 2 systems going forwards? Especially as oss is more effective (unless they radically overhaul ibis).
OK great, now lenses and autofocus.
Is this SonyAlphaHUMORS?
No. This is serious. Sony A7II: FF, 5 axis stabilization, 36MP, base ISO 5120, 21 stops of DR, moving RGB filter, XAVC, S-Log2, 4K, weather sealed, all for 899$ (with kit lens included).
Yeah but the kit lens is soft in the corners 😉
New kit lens will be launched with the body. (SR5) It will be a 16-55mm f2.8 pancake lens. Do not forget to check Sony Alpha Rumors in the near future for more information.
I’ve been using Olympus bodies for years now and IBIS is a gimmick. I do not miss it on my A7. What we need is A6000-class AF combined with even better low light performance.
I’ve been using MF for years now and AF is a gimmick
I have been drawing for years now and camera is a gimmick.
I have been creating images in my mind for years and imagination is a gimmick.
I belive you didn’t get it. You should have written: I have been creating images in my mind for years and I find pencils a gimmick
Well said sir….well said.
Many of us have been using A-Mount for many years, and find IBIS is anything but a gimmick.
If you only use lenses without stabilization you will miss it badly.
And ABS brakes, it’s a gimmick.
So I’m assuming the new A9 is going to be announced along side the death of A mount. Sony is out of their freaking minds.
This spec with an a-mount body would be my dream… 🙂
Honestly, I don’t believe one bit the IBIS on the A7II, for the rest… will wait and see 🙂
Aaaaaaaaaand so wrong I was 😀
So if this comes out true, Sony must try and bring out a new adapter for using the on sensor phase detection for a-mount lens. But even if this rumor comes out to be true, bye bye a-mount for me although the good old glass stays.
This sounds like a feature of A99II, could it be that they have mixed up the specs? Or perhaps mirrorless A-mount has finally arrived?
Waiting for a99II with full articulating lcd, useable ergonomics, and a77II focus area.
Adapt to THAT Sony.
I want 36 mp fe sensor in an a6000 weather sealed body with a6000 focusing. Would sell all my Nikon equipment. Oh, and add wireless flash control from the pop up.
Technically, it is feasible. The A6000 is pretty much exactly the same size as the A7, minus the hump. I want this too, but somehow they seem to be gravitating towards larger/heavier designs. They really shouldn’t do that… kinda makes the point of going mirrorless moot.
I believe that size is not the only advantage to mirrorless. I love the move to evfs personally.
Fair enough, but if someone is looking for a system that has an EVF and they don’t mind heavy and bulky… there’s A-mount. Why make essentially the same thing, but simply mirrorless for the sake of it? The advantage should be evident somewhere, and until now, it was in size/weight.
IBIS is overrated! it is only for fags and ladies and only leads to unsharp images! just carry a robust tripod and use it when needed. If a tripod is too big and heavy for you then better go to the gym and exercise a bit!