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(SR5) New PRO Full Frame A9 E-mount camera is placed above the A7 series.


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One more thing about the new E-mount PRO FF camera coming in late January or early February. I have been told by trusted sources this camera will not be a A7/s/r replacement! It will be the first of a new line. The sources didn’t share the name of the camera but it’s highly likely this camera will be named “Sony A9“.
The camera will cost more than the current A7 models. I also have been told the Sony A7s will also see a first smaller price drop before the A9 announcement.

Specs of the A9 are not known yet but it has the fastest AF of any Sony mirrorless camera yet (more advanced than the one used by the A6000). Sony will also NOT re-use the 36MP (A7r) or 24MP (A7 and A99) sensor. Trusted sources told me the sensor is brand new.

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  1. Just what the doctor orderd. But i hope they continu with the a-mount. Thats because i would love both the A99 mk II and A9s when they arrive. Its a dam shame that they don´t have both in one body. One a 99 that recognize what mount the lens has, and then switch from a-mount to e-mount whenever it is requierd

  2. Any news about lenses?
    Sony boss talked in interview about 300mm fixed lenses, if I remember right, he mentioned 300/4 or something like that…

        1. I read the admin’s comment like that too at first then realised it’s the lenses announced at the last photokina plus one more.

    1. I’m guessing it will be bigger – significantly. That’s the advantage of E-mount – the huge potential for a large range of body sizes. Everything from A5000 size to large DSLR influenced cameras.

      1. Thanks ! If Id only could know that and when it will be available in Europe. Im considering buying an a7r or s but now not so sure if i should wait for this gen

      2. If you are suggesting $3000 I think you will be way off.

        The suggestion that this will be ‘pro’ grade, implying resolution, low light performance, AF speed, and build quality, that will satisfy discerning professionals. By their nature, this would push the price significantly over that level.

        Think Canon 1Dx…Nikon D4s…and split the difference.

        1. But mirrorless is cheaper for mass production because more of the design is solid state (rather than optical), plus its smaller. Maybe the economies of mirrorless over SLR will finally come through.

          1. Production costs are only a small part of the equation.

            In some respects it basically costs the same to produce a Ford Fiesta as it does for a Jaguar F-type, but the marketplace affects numbers and numbers affects economics; the whole thing is a complex inter-related issue.

            Sony might choose to position this as a premium product, with price to match, and fewer sales, or go in aggressively looking for high sales, but that will threaten A7 sales. As I mentioned elsewhere, a tough call!

          2. If it is going to be in Nikon D4s-class price range, then it cannot be the only camera they will announce, and definitely a 3K camera to compete with D810 and 5D Mark IV is on the way. Pro or not, $5-6K camera market is a niche one, while Sony seems to be wanting to focus on sales. By the way, a $5-6K pro camera has to have a very robust, weather-resistant body. Sony needs to get rid of that flimsy LCD (and probably forget about an articulating LCD) to be able to sell such a camera.

        2. That all depends on your definition of ‘pro’. Will the A9 be designed to compete with the 1Dx and D4S? I doubt it. I think Sony will be targeting the D800 and 5D MkIII level.

  3. My guess: Bigger body (but still small in comparison to DSLRs), IBIS, internal 4K, larger battery, top LCD screen, two card slots… So everything that the A7 can not have due to its small size.

  4. More advanced AF than a6000 and not same sensor as a7x. Will it be technically possible with to have same a7x sensor with a6000 af in the first place?

    1. Of course not, the AF is integrated in the sensor in the A6000, so the “same” sensor is not possible, but of course it can be modified :)…

    1. I am sure the A9 has a more “elaborated” ergonomic. I now asked the sources to describe me the A9 in detail 🙂

      1. Details on the grip size and overall robustness of the camera would be especially helpful. Will the A9 be a good match for some of the larger FE lenses, e.g. 70-200/4, 90/2.8 macro and 35/1.4?

  5. Place your wishlist HERE! NOW!
    If you do it, maybe they will change the current production line already working on these things!!
    Maybe they will even send you your dream cam by Christmas Eve!!!!

  6. A7x was the first of its kind, concept cameras. Considering that they are great! Most likely I will step up from my A7r to this one. Even if it is too expensive. Sony is THE camera manufacturer that is really on to something really great. Others have very few ideas.
    A 600-700g camera with stable build and built in image stabilizing. AF should be a clear step better than A6000, the later is very good but speed and not least accuracy is not what demanding photographers need.
    The EVF a step up as well
    Blistering performance
    Not sure the hump is negative thing.
    AND A NON-DESTRUCTIVE RAW dear, dear Sony 🙂

    1. The E mount is just barely large enough for FF without IBIS. I doubt we will ever see a FF E mount camera with IBIS. The rest of the items on your list could happen. If Sony is working on a sensor with more than 36MP this camera will probably have it too.

      1. 2-axis IBIS of the type which only shifts sensor might not work well. The type which tilts sensor a little bit would easily work, and tilting and shifting would too to a degree.

    1. I’m glad to be back. For some strange reason I was unable sign on to, or read the comments until today? My A77II focuses reasonably fast and works very well with all my A-mount glass. Holding off until Sony comes out with a new/better FF A-mount compatible body.

    2. It’s like dealing with a difficult toddler. Asking for the same thing over and over again will not make it more likely to happen.
      Sony will never make E-mount compatible with Canon or Nikon lenses.

    3. In addition to high speed autofocus, I’m very curious about whether this camera (the next few days announcement camera) or the next camera (the early 2015 announcement camera), will have eye AF with A-Mount lenses via an adapter.

      And… Will full time Eye AF tracking be enabled? Or just an Eye AF confirmation green box around the eye when you press a custom button?

      Correct me if I’m wrong, Barry, but I don’t think you’re wondering about SONY enabling autofocus for Canon or Nikon lenses. You’re an A-Mount shooter. Like me.

      1. The lens I want comes in Canikon . Mount only…I will buy whatever camera goes with it…but I want the best camera..
        So Canikon compatability works for me.

      1. The problem is that Sony will not sell many of those and will not make huge money of that kind of camera, to much FF for the pro’s and even more for the prestige, and not enough common stuff, like only one A-Mount APS-C A77m2 ?? A58 dont count, high E-mount APS-C = only the A6000/A5100 please Sony more APS-C camera’s.

    1. “Again no APS-C, again FF, again not affordable for most people!!!”

      Forget about APS-C E-mount. Just like forget about APS-C A-mount. And FF A-mount. And FZ-mount. And soon FF E-mount when Sony decides it should make more money on yet another line of lenses.

  7. This is going to be a very tricky one for Sony to pitch.

    If it has the ability, but not enough of a price premium, it will likely be a huge success although at the cost of A7 sales. If it doesn’t perform far better in almost every area the critics will jump on it, asking who is it for, and most will just carry on with the type of A7 that suits their use.

    Personally, I would love to see the former, but I think if it really is a great performer it will come in at near Canon 1Dx, Nikon D4 price levels. Fingers crossed, though!

      1. I have no idea why the label ‘Sony’ would have much effect at all if the product is fantastic.

        Of course, no-one can know that yet, but I’m certain if the ‘A9’ is solid, fast, sharp, and a revelation in ergonomics, there would be a huge queue to buy them, even at $6-7000.

        As to the Sigma, it had no redeeming features to attract buyers even at equal pricing, so we’ll just regard that as an anomaly!

        1. I kinda disagree. My love hate with the 7r says 3.5k++ would make me reconsider Sony. If the 7r was a bit different (vib/AF) maybe they would have the clout.

          But presently, to have to invest in a body, exactly one year later simply to get a fully functioning body is annoying.

          The expression is; don’t pee on my leg and then hand me an umbrella because it’s raining….

          To that end. Really wish they would up the release date.

  8. LOL at that render…

    If the A7 isn’t the real DSLR competitor and this should be, the only real thing different they can do is not really 50MP, but great ergonomics, grips, bigger batteries and of course mentioned weather resistance
    I expect the A9 if intended as a work horse pro camera to be a bit more DSLR shaped and sized to achieve better balance with the lenses.

  9. I hope that Sony takes this opportunity to bring out the first real “pro” model mirrorless camera.
    More important than size or weight is to take advantage of the mirrorless design to minimize camera noise and vibration and to optimize sensor, pixel optics and flange distance for optimum image quality. Needless to say, Sony should teach Zeiss to build a complete line of AF lenses for this camera.

      1. You are probably right. Sony made the E-mount flange distance very short, or 18mm, forcing compromises in pixel optics and image quality when using a FF sensor. This very short flange distance and radically diverging light path will never compete well with top DSLR image qualities.
        Compare: Canon 44mm, Nikon 46.5mm, Sony A-mount 44.5mm. Even if the flange distance on a FF mirrorless camera can be reduced some, a minimum distance is required to control vignetting,
        Leica M-mount 27.8mm, Nikon S-mount 34.85mm and B-mount 35.74 or 38mm are all in the right range for a FF mirrorless camera.
        Sony has here a real dilemma: Stick with the E-mount to please a few customers and give up image quality, or use the A-mount for image quality but an unnecessarily large package.
        Using something like a B-mount and offering adapters to A-mount lens owners
        might be a solution.
        It will be interesting to see what Sony decides this time.

          1. Yes,
            Both 5D and D8XX offer better optical layouts, especially when it comes to vignetting.
            Sony camera designs are often very innovative to show the limits of what Sony technology has to offer, rather than to optimize within these limits.

          2. Yes.
            The D8xx and the 5D all offer a superior optical layout for full frame images.
            Sony cameras often explore and demonstrate the technological limits of what Sony technology can achieve without optimizing the combined performance within those limits.

    1. Difficult – the a7 is more than good enough for pro work, so they don’t want to end up splitting the FE market in too many directions. My guess is we’ll see a high res version and a lower res sports version…

  10. what s not pro about A7 line? And why would this be PRO? I think this PRO talk is a bunch of BS – it makes a difference whether you shoot products or landscapes or weddings or art. All of this is PRO territory, but entirely different camera specifications & needs.

    1. As long as you are a professional photographer, every crappy camera can be your PRO tool if you can give your customers what they needed. Yes, I agree with you, the PRO thing is something to make us think that we absolutely need the latest thing available on the market if we want to keep doing what we already do. 🙂

    2. The A7 (at least the “R” I am using) for sure has pro features, but it isn’t real pro.
      I really love and enjoy it, but even with attached VG it is a pain in the butt to work a complete day with it, holding it in the hands most of the time.
      AF is pain, the “grip & shutter”-hand gets joint pain due to ergonomics, single slot SD, AF range accessibility, etc.

    3. “what s not pro about A7 line?”

      1. Poor AF.
      2. Poor framerate.
      3. Poor battery life.
      4. Poor flash system.
      5. Poor support (but at least they are working on it in the US, although not globally as many pros require).

    4. While it is true that any camera can be used by pros, the A7 series is built to lower quality spec than, say, the D7000 series, which decidedly is not a ‘pro’ camera. I make 80% of my income with the A7r, but I dislike the experience. For me it is a pro camera. But it is one designed and engineered by a company that thinks of consumers, no pros, first.

  11. Although this rendering looks nice, it will for sure be just a dream of somebody.

    An A9 would need to be at least a tiny bit bigger than the A7 for ergonomic reason.
    More dedicated controls, better grip, better placed shutter button, FM500 battery or new type, dual uhsII card slot, top screen.
    Maybe it comes with an integrated VG.

    I’ll for sure order one.

    1. This ‘size for a good grip’ is a tricky thing to get right, especially as our hands are all different.

      Once I confirmed the quality of the A7 and the ergonomics I sold my A99s and most lenses simply because of the weight (12 hours straight at a wedding REALLY tells!), although I do appreciate what you say about the A7 being a touch small.

      The problem would be, though, if they make a camera that weighs as the A7 but is bigger because there would be inevitable claims it feels ‘cheap’. Personally, an A7 with a grip is a better option for me.

    2. I like the size of the A7, because it don’t looks like a professional and that helps in a lot of situations. on the other hand, I would prefer a bigger grip for long shootings.

      As every hand is different… wouldn’t it be possible to mantle a bigger
      grip over the existing one? Or the camera has interchangeable grips
      from the beginning.

    3. YES dual memory card slots, greatest thing ever for cameras that’ll shut up those tards that keep saying large memory cards are “risky” and they’d rather have a thousand 8MB cards than a single 128GB. Mirrored is genius.

      1. Hohohohahaha.
        Now think about your nonsens you wrote.

        It hasn’t to do with risky lm cards. More to do with securing your work in the case one card fucks up. In my A99 I have two SEP 64GB cards and I feel more comfortable than having just one card inserted, when doing a wedding shooting…

  12. I love the rendering of this rumored Sony A9. I hope that Sony does that flat top look instead of the faux pentaprism hump. This camera and a fast 85mm will be very attractive.

    1. The hump also serves a practical purpose, it houses the EVF. If they would go with similar layout as NEX-7, then the screen would need to be smaller or some other compromises need to be made.

      Personally I don’t care how it looks as long as it handles well. The A7 ergonomics leave a lot to be desired.

      1. ‘The A7 ergonomics leave a lot to be desired…’ ???

        I do realise that everyone has different ways of working, but other than minor niggles of lesser button placement, I find it the easiest camera to use ‘in the heat of battle’ of any I’ve ever experienced.

        Ultimately, if you can set aperture, speed, ISO, compensation and focus, it’s a done deal, and these are up front and centre on the A7!

        1. The shutter release is simply too far back for my hands, forcing the wrist into a very awkward angle. The heavier the lens, the more pronounced this issue becomes. The shutter release should be placed closer to the front edge of the grip. This is not a minor niggle for me.

          1. I don’t get it, try to describe the position of your hand when handling it, with which finger exactly are you using the shutter release ?

            For me it’s the front dial that is a little too far back (thumb for back grip and all back buttons, including mode dial, rear dial and exposure dial, index for on/off and shutter release, index/middle for front dial, ring only for grip and small for grip part way under the body).

          2. I’m using the index finger for shutter release. I also use the index finger or middle finger to operate the front dial, depending if I need to have the shutter release depressed or not. Somehow my brain expect the shutter release to be right on top of the front dial like it is on the Olympus E-M1. On the A7 I feel like I need to reach further back for the shutter release.

          3. I would suggest to go and borrow/rent an Olympus EM1. its in the same size category at the A7R, but the ergonomics are MUCH better.. I have an use both the EM1 and A7R extensively – and i can tell you that the EM1 is SO much more fun to use. Iwould use it 100% of the time if not for the fact that the A7r FF IQ is a few notches above.

  13. Please make a DSLR sized grip with sufficient depth. A7 grip is too flat with the big lenses coming up like 35/1.4 Distagon and 24-240. And I much prefer central viewfinder placement, RF style could make sense with tiny primes, but not professional grade lenses

  14. SR5

    I just got a call from the design and production managers at Sony.
    They said that they have not received enough wish lists to make a decision on how to move forwards. They expected at least 100 wishes within the hour…

    HURRY! WISH NOW!!!

      1. Every new camera is based on at least 1000 SAR wish lists.
        Especially the pricing which comes from posts like:
        “Would you pay EUR1,500 for a Zeiss diamond ring? TAKE THE POLL!!”

  15. I guess the best thing to do would be to either sit tight and wait or else go out and buy a Nikon D750 with a couple of lenses which you know will be easy to sell if the need arises.

    1. I make it 4 categories – entry level apsc (a5100), enthusiast apsc (a6000), entry level ff (a7x), pro ff (a9).

        1. As amazing as this A9 rumor sounds, I’ll be honest, as a hobbyist, it’s just too much camera for my budget. If they introduced a similar set up for the A7000 without the added FF tax, I could do it.

    2. My guess is there will be one. But they might do a A9s variant later. The equivalent to the A7, a cheaper camera with less features is already covered by the A7 range.

      1. A77II is already OUT for several months and it is A-mount APS-C camera!

        Maybe you mean A7II – which is not the same thing! Note 1 (one) “7”.

  16. Real weather proofing, better grip, bigger battery, 14bit images, lossless compression, shutter button at a slant please. None of which are rocket science 🙂

  17. Ugh. I wasn’t planning on upgrading the A7 for at least another year, but if this (humpless) rendering turns out to be true… I’d pre-order. Better start saving I guess, just in case.

    1. I very much doubt this so called ‘pro’ offering will be humpless. Even if it doesn’t have a hump, it will not be compact. Certainly nothing like that rendering.

      1. I remember in a recent interview one of the Sony designers said there’s been much debate within Sony on the topic (whether to go with the SLR design, or the Rangefinder design) – seems like it’s something they’re considering at least.

        1. Certainly, I’m sure we’ll see a rangefinder style in the future, but not so sure it’ll be part of the A9 series.

        2. Well, “pro” comes with the idea to work all day long and the associated battery capacity. That’s hard to get in tune with a small body.
          The rangefinder concept would fit well with something more casual otoh.

  18. What is PRO about this camera? A PRO camera can be a smartphone or a P&S camera as long as it provides the capability a ”professional” needs. If you mean, a higher tier camera, I would get it.

    Anyways, it’s funny we’re hearing rumors on a higher tier E-mount camera and there is none for A-mount replacements or additions (just like the a7-series with the R and S variants).

  19. I have a short question: Does it make sense to combine ibis with ois from a technical perspective? From a financial perspective Sony made a huge effort to introduce a lens line with ois. Thus Sony would only introduce an ibis, if they can expect big advantages.

    1. It very probably doesn’t make sense from a purely technical viewpoint (although optical stabilisation can’t correct for roll through the optical axis).

      However, from a market perspective, it makes a huge amount of sense as there are a lot of A-Mount lens owners out there who are put off migrating to E-Mount due to the lack of IBIS. Further, Sony have got a very limited lens collection for E-Mount, especially as regards long lenses. Redeveloping all those lenses for a limited market would take a lot of time and might not reach payback for many years, if ever. IBIS with a high-performance A-Mount adapter would therefore widen the stabilised lens offerings available. Further, it would allow stabilisation of other legacy lens mount systems, even if it means entering focal length manually. As such, it would widen the attraction of the system.

  20. Non-fully articulated screen? For a flagship? No deal. That tilt screen is almost useless, it’s on their low end $400 cameras. Dual card slots is a must. But still without any fast prime lenses possible, without adapter, it’ll never fly.

    1. I think E-mount’s tilt design is much easier to use than DSLR tilt designs. I’ve seen a screen fixed on an arm that spins in any direction, that’s the real useless one, it’s too slow and clumsy to operate. To get waist level viewfinding you need to flip it out and twist it 180°, and even then it would take up more space because the arm’s in the way and force you to hold your camera further away from you, destablising it, while on NEX-7 you only need to flip it open with one finger, and the screen takes up less room.

    2. Well since it is a PRO camera, maybe they will be brave and have no LCD on-body, but just connections for user preferred external ones when / where / as needed.

  21. Wishlist:
    16-20MP
    Global shutter/silent shutter
    focal plane 1/8000
    10 fps buffer 50 RAWs
    90% AF coverage PDAF with good tracking
    Direct focus point selection (joystick) and AF mode controller
    EVF hump
    3-hinged LCD as A99/77
    NP-FM500H battery
    Built in flash+trigger
    Greater customization: button function mapping different in MR modes, map all menu options!
    RAW available in picture effects, and CIZ.

      1. I fear that the optics quality will suffer when the EVF is stuffed in a small place. At least that’s what I found out with the NEX-6/7. So I prefer a hump with quality optics and sturdy eye-cup over crappy optics in front of an excellent EVF.

      1. Touch screen to choose focus point works great on Panasonic cameras. But, we all know PRO must choose focus point add slow as possible in order others would know this is the REAL PRO.

        1. I love it on my NEX 5N as well. It’s instant. On my A7, it’s so slow to change that I can really only do center focus point and then recompose. Not sure why my cheap 5N has a superior technology that is not on my A7. Have an option to disable it, but I would use it far more than the EVF.

          1. Lack of touchscreen on A7 was enough reason to sell my A7 (not to mention its questionable IQ in certain circumstances, like severe ghosting – I hoped for the total superiority over old APS-C sensor). Frankly, I could live without it if Sony would implement functionality where the camera hunts chosen zone in order I could magnify or focus on it after recomposing. But it didn’t and thus shooting process was painful and SSSSLOW on that camera. I will never buy one without touchscreen, BTW, since that.

  22. Probably the 12Mp sensor and a larger body to dissipate heat from 4K internal recording. 15FPS to match the NX1 and exceed the speed of Canikon offerings.

  23. I”m going to end up divorced if I keep spending all this money on a new camera every few months. Oh wait, I’m not married. Carry on.

    1. Good one. In the same boat. Sony give us 4K 10 bit, 120FPS HD, better codec and we are good to go. Take my money

  24. So, PRO= no touch screen to slow focus point choose down, on sensor PDAF to degrade IQ with extreme ghosting with strong light sources in a frame, make it heavier people looking at your pain would know you’re using REAL PRO CAMERA.
    Typical Sony without any idea what the camera if the future should look like.

  25. To Sony engeneers:

    – My No. ONE: ELECTRONIC front curtain shutter to avoid any lack of sharpness (seen in A7R)
    – +/- 50 MP for hi-end resolution sensor

    – small as A7
    – all Metal construction
    – noiseless function

    The rest: take it from A7, slightly revised.

    thx!

  26. For me, Pro has always meant tough and durable, weather sealed and at the edge of technology. I shoot in the snow mostly so weather sealing would be very welcomed.

  27. Did you ask if they will get rid of the thick glass in front of the sensor? That might help with the color-issues with wide Leica lenses.

  28. 1 Demand – true uncompressed non lossy algorithm files. Not the crap you’ve been serving up all along. (Doubtful this will happen)

  29. I want a dedicated focus point selector. It doesn’t have to be big like nikon’s. Just a tiny little 8-way joystick similar to canon’s but could be even smaller like what they used to have on some old keyboards.

  30. Has Sony just dropped the A-mount users on the floor and abandoned us. Is there any news on the next A-mount camera or has that line been abandoned?

  31. @admin
    Is it likely to see this new A9 before the A7RII, A7SII? I have sold my Fuji system and considering between the A7II, D750 but I think I can wait if the A9 is supposed to be released in February.

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