Image courtesy: Newsshooter
Newsshooter (Click here) posted the Sony FS7 4K E-mount camcorder field test impressions:
So has this camera won me over from the C300? Well actually yes, so far – with the exception of the waveform/histogram issue which I assume Sony will solve. I need to test more but at this point I’m confident that it will replace the C300 (and possibly my F5 too) as a daily workhorse. Ergonomically it bests the C300 and it suits my style of shooting. It has the 4K option but, just as important for me, it has all the flavours of HD that I need including good old MPEG. Slow motion is a big deal too. I still prefer Canon colours out of the box – but the FS7 produces some nice looking images that I’m pretty happy with.
But Canon lens owners ready to jump on the FS7 should be aware of that:
Don’t rush to buy this camera expecting it to work flawlessly with the Metabones Speedbooster Ultra or EF to E-mount adapters – it doesn’t for now at least. Hopefully there may be a fix from Metabones but this isn’t a combo I recommending at the moment.
An interesting thing I didn’t notice before is that the FS7 is the first E-mount camera that has an “Alpha Mount” mark on the mount. And not the usual “E-mount” as seen on current E-mount photocameras:
Image courtesy: Newsshooter
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actually the E-mount mark is on the metal plate like on any E-mount cams.
yeah it is.
for me its the needless confusion, the mount is E mount, so over time quite a few people are going to look at the text on the camera and see A mount, and buy the wrong lens.
its a stupid thing todo.
So the idiocy with the non-existent “α mount” continues.
Sony is trying really hard to change the perception of their current A-Mount lenses to an option within the E-Mount system, not a separate system that it is. This way the can present a complete (though bogus) “α mount lens system”, instead of the neglected “A system” and limited “E system”.
As one can witness, their partners make the “best” lenses in CaNikon mounts. The (E) Alpha takes advantage of that. Any mount can fit, including the A Alpha with a proper adapter. The system is vast and isn’t restricted to A or E or F or EOS.
Pretty much restricted to native E lenses, which can only utilise the full AF capabilities of E-Mount cameras.
A Mount lenses = crippled AF via adapters, EF lenses = double crippled AF via Metabones, and all the others MF only.
Just wait 2 more years. FE is one year old and it is doing great. Only thing Sony needs is E-Mount cameras that can use full AF features with A-Mount with an only metal adapter without mirror or similar.
Once this is ready everybody will be happy again 🙂
What makes you think such thing is possible or ever going to happen?
A-Mount lenses aren’t designed to work with OSPDAF, that’s not going to change.
I think you have it backwards. They haven’t designed a sensor with PDAF yet that is matched to the A-mount. Just give it time. I can still remember the first af film cameras. The first wasn’t even and slr. Give Sony some time. Once they perfect OSPDAF in general they will specialize the tech further to work with A-mount. To say the tech is not going to change is just not realistic.
Of couse tech is going to change; like new FE lenses will appear to replace their A-Mount counterparts – isn’t it a simpler way? Also more profitable for Sony.
It is still better than just dropping a lens mount altogether. It allows some compatibility during the change over. Mirrorless is the future as soon as the focus speed equals a dslr. It is still a better situation than when Canon dropped the FD mount. There was no compatibility there at all with the new mount replacing it. The Canon users had to suck it up then and us Sony users will have to suck it up now. I still say it’s better than the old days. This way allows A-mount users to switch gradually and not have to drop 10K all at once for new lenses.
They need to do this that way. They will need a lot of time to bring E-Mount to where A-Mount is now. Alle the F2.8 zooms, the large tele primes and so on. As soon as AF works great the transition can start and then there is no reason why to use A-Mount glass. Basicaly the E-Mount and A-Mount cameras would be the same except a little metal ring.
OK there is the issue with IBIS, but once sensors becouse even better there is no need for stabilisation anyways.
E-mount Full frame 24-70 F2.8 G (or maybe zeiss), 24-105 F4 G will be out soon
Care to put a bet on that? You have news? Or unsupportable dreams?
The “best” lenses (Otii, made by Zeiss) are manual focus only lenses. 🙂
Canon EF mount can accept practically any SLR competitor lens too, on a much sturdier mount. But why would they need to when the native lineup is already so rich.
How would you use a Nikon lens on an Canon EF mount without modifying the focal distance!?
There are adapters that allow one to do that. No modifications needed. Google.
Many Canon shooters use an adapter to specifically to use Nikon’s 14-24mm f/2.8. The ability is already there…
Yes, another opportunity to bring up the stupid A-mount issue on a totally unrelated thread. Get a Fuk’g life, find another outlet for your paranoia dip $hit.
You’re wrong. And you hate truth.
Yep, they stole the Alpha logo and heritage to prop up Elpha perceptions. It’s a lie, and an insult. Especially since E-Mount is good and valid upon its own merit. It doesn’t need to be this way. Such a blatant hijack makes me suspicious of everything Sony claims… like the MIS hot shoe is “standard”. What a load of cr@p.
They steal the name, and abandon the original. That’s about as low as any corporation can go. This thing isn’t an Alpha any more than it’s an EF mount with Metabones, or a Contax with a G adapter. The inmates are truly running the Sony asylum. Ridiculous.
Worse yet, there are those here that defend this ripoff. Wonder how they’d feel if another photographer took their photo and put someone else’s name on it, then called everybody crazy for not accepting the lie.
They “stole” the Alpha logo? Huh? Alpha just means “Sony interchangable lens camera system”. I think we told you many times before. Just bring up first generation NEX-3/5 and see what is there: an Alpha sign. NEX was Alpha from day one.
Alpha was around long before Sony ever made an interchangeable lens camera. Alpha means “First AF Lens Mount”, and it is completely independent of Sony… the patent is up my friend… AnYoNe CaN mAkE aN ALPHA mount… and the only thing Sony can do to stop that is to try and TRICK photographers into thinking differently.
So go on and tell me all you want. Your words don’t change the truth any more than Sony stealing a logo does.
Next they’ll be calling “Memory Stick” an SD card. Perhaps they’ll call Betamax a VHS.
Wow, you really are busy with this thing, aren’t you? Well I rather spend my time making great pictures and videos, than whining about some theoretical crap, what happened to the “Alpha” logo, which makes not a single picture better or worse 😮
Stole it? Sony paid handsomely for it. Call up Konica-Minolta and demand answers from them for not preserving their legacy through their own stewardship and yell at them for selling. Although Minolta left their MD lens users high and dry with no way to adapt their manual lenses on to a-mount bodies nearly 30 years ago so those who ran Minolta would have a less than honorable way to respond.
Dan Chung is one of the most respected PJ and now videographers in the news industry. He is one of the few that took advantage of the 5D2’s video capabilities and compact size to document the Iraq conflict in video and stills.
His opinion on gear should be greatly taken into context. He is an individual that has worked extensively in difficult environments with tight deadlines and stringent requirements just like most news gatherers. This is very good news for those considering the FS7 as a workhorse.
LMAO.. Most respected, hahahahahhaha
A-mount is gone gone gone. E-mount is the only mount in Sony Alpha System from now on!
Until CaNikon release their own version and leave Sony for native function and brand loyalty. Then Sony will be left with disenfranchised Alpha users who hate adapting and hate native wire focusing without end stops.
E-Mount is a temporary fad doomed from the start.
E-Mount lens selection is very limited ATM, so Sony is bending over backwards to present existing A-Mount lenses as “a sub-type of the same mount”. That’s where this “alpha mount” atrocity is coming from.
Sony is so ASHAMED of E-Mount that they can’t even call it what it is.
So now Sony made an “Alpha” mount? Oh, c’mon, Sony! Just put E-Mount, already. Enough with that confusion you’ve created needlessly!
A-mount deserved a more respectful end than that.
“Alpha mount system”, not just “Alpha mount”.
And the “Alpha mount system” contains both.
Guys, it is not that hard. A is not Alpha.
Except that you need and adapter for the A-mount work.
So Sony could very well call it the U-Mount (for Universal), since you can use virtually ANY lens on their E-mount using adapters.
I understand what Sony did there. You don’t need to tell me. And, yes, it isn’t hard to understand.
What I fail to understand is WHY Sony felt the need to do it.
A-Mount and E-Mount are not the same. Period.
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>A-Mount and E-Mount are not the same
Sony can’t release a whole line-up of FE lenses momentarily, so they just release those that are missing from A-Mount line-up, like 35 f/1.4 or 24-240 or f/4 lenses.
And simultaneously they’re trying to convince people that A-Mount lenses are like “a variation” of E-Mount, you can use them too with this system.
So instead of the neglected A-Mount line-up and limited E-Mount line-up you’d get a complete “alpha mount” line-up for mirrorless cameras. Which is pure BS, of course.
Your reasoning is brilliant and the end of of your argument is simply perfect!
thanks:)
“Except that you need an adapter for the A-mount to work.
So Sony could very well call it the U-Mount (for Universal), since you can use virtually ANY lens on their E-mount using adapters.”
Or…the a stands for adapter…
Or maybe it is “A” mount (as opposed to THE Mount). Just… a Mount. A generic mount. Like M42 used to be.
Samsung has the new Galaxy Alpha out.
Interesting thing to note from the comments in Newshooter. Seems that the Metabones EF to E mount mark IV works, but not older versions, just like on the Sony a7S.
My MkIII works on my A7S.
Comments on DVX shows mark IV works fine on FS7. It might be a problem with his adapter
Does the A mount crowd want Sony Pro Video to build A Mount camcorders?
I’m trying to figure out what you die-hard “A Mount only” guys are crying about. What do you want from Sony? There are already a zillion A mount lenses on the market and at least 2 good pro bodies to shoot with. (A77 & 99) Acrylic translucent mirror lovers should have all they need to keep them happy today.
Let mirrorless E Mount grow without feeling jealous about it!
And for damn sure,…don’t complain that Sony is building industry leading pro camcorders with E Mount! It should NOT IN ANY WAY concern A Mount fans in the least!! A Mount never was and never will be a pro video product.
I understand what you mean and I also don’t care about A-Mount Pro Camcorders. Mirrorless seems to be the future. All I am asking is to enable great AF with A-Mount lenses on E-Mount bodies so I can use my stuff on new bodies.
And by the way: A-Mount is far from “complete”. Still missing good and fast 35mm prime, missing F4 zooms as alternative to the F2.8 zooms, tilt/shift lenses, different makros and most importand: Missing weather sealing on almost every pro lens! Still those lenses are more expensive than CaNikon.
So please do not try to explain that A-Mount has a zillion lenses. There are importand features and lenses missing to consider this as a mature pro system!
And the worst: The Sony flash system is a joke. The high-end flash is overheating and the A99 has a huge lag when using flash. When I compare my old Canon Speedlight 580 with Sony then even this 10 year old device is more usable.
Now the big problem is that Sony needs to split ressources and have a slow development everywhere or they focus on for example E-Mount but this means no development for flashes or A-Mount.
So to answer your comment: No, we are not happy with A99, A77II and our A-Mount lenses, not if Sony want us to consider this a professional system! Unfortunately they want money like it was a professional complete and mature system.
And by the way, I am not a A-Mount “die hard”! I just see that E-Mount is not there yet. There is still a long way to go to!
Sony believe they can somehow replace DSLR with mirrorless.
So they want you to use your A-Mount lenses on E-Mount bodies until they release all needed FE equivalents.
That’s why they’re releasing new lenses like 35 f/1.4 or 24-240 or f/4 lenses for E-Mount, not A. Specifically those lenses that are missing from A-Mount line-up.
To be fair, Sony’s not wrong – mirrorless is a viable alternative to DSLR. I’d be amazed if we don’t have a sports friendly FE body by the end of 2015.
While you are not completely wrong, you are not telling 100% the truth.
There are a lot of MINOLTA legacy lenses out there that cover the needs of most people. SONY lenses, however, are still somewhat lacking.
And Sony didn’t even need to make lenses from scratch. Take those classic Minolta glasses, give’em a nice and fresh update and then a lot of people would be happy. For example, I’ve seen many people asking for an upgraded Beercan (the 70~210mm F4).
Sony is also still missing 35mm lenses. Both pro grade (be it Zeiss or G) and affordable (there’s one 35mm F2.8, IIRC).
Last, I don’t think people are complaining that Sony doesn’t use A-mount for video. Is that misleading Alpha-Mount thing. Why not put it simply and directly E-mount?
Oh, they are part of the ‘Alpha family’? Good. But, still, they are different mounts and that should be *CLEARLY* stated.
Using that ‘Alpha Mount’ seems they are trying to cover something. Don’t they want to assume the A-mount is dead? Are they scared the E-mount won’t seem professional enough?
>Does the A mount crowd want Sony Pro Video to build A Mount camcorders?
Nope. We want the “α mount” lunacy to stop. Enough with the bogus α mount, it doesn’t exist!
I agree – trying to rebrand to avoid looking like they’re slowly killing off a-mount really isn’t going to work in the long run. People might just notice that the big α lenses don’t fit in the little α hole…
Don’t want it for video. No problem. But we’ve already lost many Alpha native functionalities in the name of video. Functions that kept us away from competition.
Now Alpha looses name, and identity, for something that is NOT an Alpha.
E-Mount can grow all she wants on her own, unless users feel “jealous” (as you say) of Alpha, and need to hijack name to make it look more professional.
Lost our best in class flash mount for microphone system that doesn’t work on all cams.
Lost in body stabilization for a body with short lens registration.
Lost the stability of six screw thick mount for the glory of tiny four screw thin mount wobbles.
Lost AF front selector (which could be done by feel alone) for sake of silent controller that doesn’t work with all mics.
Lost big batteries, have to carry complete different set of chargers too.
Lost playback magnification that goes to selected AF point instead of always center.
Lost quick AF selection with joystick. Now it’s a menu dive.
Lost the unique Alpha characteristics and ergonomics that KEPT US AWAY from the competition for a camera that is so foreign that it might as well be considered competition…
Bad enough Alpha doesn’t get any love from Sony. Worse that Sony steal the name to make herself feel better about it.
Sony bizarre thinking…
We lost Alpha hard switch for SupStedShot. Then a7 shares AEL/AF/MF button with a NEEDLESS “hard switch” selector.
Wow, with all the childish foot stamping about ‘stealing’ etc, I now honestly hope that A-Mount burns to the ground and all you cry babies go and get a Nikon. Professionals? Puhleeez!
Pointing out a theft is not childish. Pretending that apples are really oranges IS childish. Hoping people leave to avoid the truth is also childish. Hoping A-Mount burns is beyond childish… because nobody here is knocking the validity of E-Mount. We’re pointing out Sony’s blatant ripoff, which is what adults do.
You can’t steal something you own you imbecile.
Children cast insults to cover their insecurities.
No, children stamp and moan about what they can’t understand. ‘why can’t I have lollies for dinner!? Waaaaa!’ I see you haven’t got a response to the notion that Sony can’t ‘steal’ Alpha, because it is easily the most absurd thin on the Internet today.
You’re right. They own it. They can do whatever they want with it. Sony can even use it for spreading lies and disingenuous misconceptions to customers with.
But it doesn’t change the facts. Elpha Ain’t No Alpha bro… Not any more than Elpha becomes an EOS with Metabones, or a Contax with smart adapter.
Sony have three reasons for using Alpha logo and name for NEX cameras… 1) To improve public perception about the mount. 2) To rescue ill conceived marketing for NEX. 3) To thwart off any newcomers who might produce their own Alpha mount because the patent is up, and they won’t be able to market effectively.
Basically, Sony does it to cover up problems by lying, and destroying the legacy. They did NOTHING to IMPROVE Alpha mount, which would justify the name. They just want you to drink the red cool-aide and make you think it’s green.
This is just so sad. Need a tissue?
Playing “Make.Believe” is the most childish motto that a company could possibly have. And that’s EXACTLY what Sony wants us to do by suggesting E-Mount is an Alpha.
More rott from morons.
Your insults reveal your weak argument. You wouldn’t have to insult if your position was stable.
Bahahahahaha! This is just absurd. ‘Alpha’ is a brand, owned by Sony they can use it any way they set fit. Get it? It’s like saying they can’t use Cybershot or Walkman because it is not sanctioned by idiotic fanboys.
They should have called it Walkman. That’s their right. And it’s gonna make a lot of folks walk man.
A lot? You mean the sad A-Mount cry babies? Good riddence to bad rubbish.
Spoken like a good Sony shill paid to cover the lies of your corporate masters. Not saying that you are. But there’s a good (short) future ahead for one with your blind faith talents.
Tell your puppet masters they’d be better off listening to and honoring the legacy Mino loyalists who gave them the customer base to buy confidently into the interchangeable lens camera world. The further they stray from that, the farther down they fall.
Sony has no interest in supporting Minolta loyalists, because they are a sad bunch of clowns who don’t support the system, simply clutch on to their old glass and do a lot of talking about what Sony ‘should do’ and not a lot of doing, well anything. You aren’t worth anything to Sony, as their supposed ‘shill’ I have been instructed to tell you that. Sad bunch of whiners.
I think it is like someone mentioned before. The A-mount/Minolta user community is well and happy with the current cameras. It’s just a minority that come and b1 t ch about it here.
Actually, to me, that minority is about 5 people, one or two of which make multiple usernames to create a defecating chorus.
Tell us how you are “supporting the system”, other than trolling on this forum, calling people names and wishing that A-Mount burned to the ground.
Uhmmm… does a Black Magic or RED video camera wear an MFT, or EF, or PL logo on the front when the mount changes?
Err what? Alpha is a brand you feeble being. It doesn’t say A-Mount it says Alpha System, because that is what it is, get it?
Hahaha LOL you need an adapter to access the “system” it doesn’t have native. OH jeez funny.
Can I cover that “A Mount System” advert on the front with an “EF Mount System” sticker when I use Metabones adapter?
A mount, E mount, wrong mount design… It’s all so funny in Toyland. The Vaio fiasco is coming again.
Why should the fiasko come again? All people I know from real life do not care at all what logo there is in front of the mount.
The only ones who care are here on SAR and it seems that it is always the same little group of people fighting this battle again and again.
I don’t think this here is represantitive for the rest of the world. It is just our own little universe 🙂
You should have called yourself Trollland, would suit you much better!
Damn bunch of idiots!
Is it so difficult to understand?
A900 = A mount (α system)
NEX7 = E mount (α system)
A99 = A mount (α system)
Should I keep going? And it’s not so difficult at all: look at the bodies…
WTF?!?!?!?
I’m so sick about this…
…no comment…
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you forgot W-mount. Hulk help you remember wobble-mount, too!
Oh great, and what exactly is “α mount”?
“α mount system” label look very cool…