The Fotodiox Tough full metal E-mount replacement is shipping at Amazon (Click here to preorder). And finally we have a first serious review from David Kilpatrick (Click here). He writes
It looks a touch classier than the cheaply machined soft metal Sony original, it is a snug and perfect fit, and lens mounting has a slightly more solid feel without resistance or any scraping sensation.Everything worked perfectly as expected once fitted. Cost – $39.95 plus shipping. I consider it a good upgrade.
David just updated his review and added an important note:
Footnote – one day later – while Sony E mount lenses seem fine, some of my third party adaptors are not fitting well, and very short focal length lenses indicate that the infinity focus may not be accurately retained as they claim. Due to weather conditions I’ve not been able to check properly. If you use lenses 12mm to 20mm on adaptors, proceed with caution.
If you want it grab it now at Amazon!
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Waiting on mine to arrive. Hope it stiffens both the lateral and rotational wobbles.
It definitely helps in that regard.
Read the foot notes updates: some issues with adapters. Not really that a good upgrade if you’d ask me…
Yeah, if anything this actually makes me even less interested
I have tried a half dozen different adapters and they all fit just as well as a Sony lens. I’m guessing they have one screw not perfectly flush.
From reading that, and the issues with infinity on some lenses, not to mention things being a little “tight”, it appears that this adapter must be very slightly thicker than the metal + plastic shim design from Sony.
I would conclude that this is the main reason the lenses might have less “wobble”. Quite simply, some of the tolerances have been reduced by this marginally thicker mount plate. After all, what actually holds the lens flat to the flange are those three leaf springs. Narrow the tolerances a bit, and it will feel firmer.
Of course, whether this actually matters or not is another thing. If the leaf springs are strong enough, they will hold the lens to the flange and that’s what matters.
As for rotational movement, then that’s a function of the locating pin, how close a fit that is to the matching hole in the lens, and how much tolerance there is where the pin comes through the mounting plate. Of course, the lens moving rotationally has zero impact on image quality as lenses are, of course, rotationally symmetrical. I suppose if t are manually focussing and the focus ring is a bit tight, it might not be ideal to have a little bit of rotational movement as it might manifest rather like backlash when the direction of focus is changed. However, it will have no impact on AF.
my A7 works perfectly so far. im not gonna risk it for now.
Original mount suspect, new third party adaptor replacement suspect, E-mount said to be too small by significant lens maker, no IBIS, etc. etc. etc. Why are people buying these things?? Yes, they are small, compact and take decent pictures using short length lenses (IBIS needed for using 300-600mm lenses, not everyone can use tripods especially out in the wild).
Come on Sony, you really didn’t think this one through properly did you. Better start concentrating more on what you did best for a change…A mount SLT, and make sure you put a starter camera in the range so that all the E Mount owners will have something to move up to when they decide to buy a proper camera.
‘Why are people buying these things?’
Beats oil on your sensor.
At least Nikon admitted the problem and rectified this…Sony just ignore it and hope 3rd part companies come to the rescue…yet again!!!
Did Nikon ever admit to anything? When My D600 went in it came back with this diagnosis: dirty sensor: replaced shutter mechanism. That’s like saying dirty air filter: replaced carburetor. Nikon was only forced to replace D600s by threats of retaliation in China.
Yes Nikon did something, changed the name of the camera twice to fool lemmings like pikaname.
🙂
Only once (D610), the D750 was the originally scheduled D600 refresh and it’s naming was more to do with the continuing complaints about a lack of D700 replacement than the D6x0 fiasco.
That explains it, a Nikon troll/shill.
Umm, Nikon ignored it until a class-action suit was filed in two different countries (The Chinese suit made Nikon acknowledge it, the US suit drove Nikon to actually replace bad D600’s with D610’s outside of China).
I wonder how many cameras were actually affected. This always stunk of internet scam.
cause some people don’t use long focal length or need crazy fast AF? I don’t use anything longer than 135mm,
They are generally way better for video too. IBIS<OSS for video.
adaptability, rigging, etc..
Video cameras are better for video …… Haven’t you heard?
Do you have 6K to spend on a camera? on top of glass and stabilizers?
Also I do mostly video, but a lot of still work too.
Completely agree with you as far as professionals are concerned. However, most users shoot video for personal/pleasure use and those who do weddings etc. know full well that the best equipment the video is likely to be played on is 1080p. So that begs the question why on earth do these people want the ultimate in video quality out of what really is a stills camera and why don’t they just buy a dedicated 1080p video cam which will do everything they want and more and use the A series for stills which is really what its size and shape was designed for.
Because they see that’s what pro’s are using and they can do both still and video.
“Why are people buying these things??”
I can ask the same question to those who buy Canon 5D3’s. ISO has not improved over previous gen 5D2, video is not best even if they call it “All Intra” and the only true major upgrade is the AF mechanism. But, some people like the brand, they buy it regardless of how much better a Nikon D800 or D600 would have been for them and whatever else they want. I would have said other similar things to Nikon users when the D700 was competing against the 5D2 back in 2009…
If you are not buying “these things” then what is your interest in being here to begin with?
@Carl
Bla bla bla…
Carl’s sad sad story almost brought me to tears……..:(
Carl if you feel so strongly negative (almost to the point of neurosis) about this particular camera then don’t buy it. Most of your points are invalid and only serve to feed your mental condition, but if it makes you feel better in the short term then go with it.
‘Then don’t buy it’… What gave you the impression I would. I respect my well earned money far too much to do that. Why should I buy an expensive camera only to have to buy a third party mount, invalidating my warranty, just to make sure my lenses don’t wobble, and then have to buy an expensive adapter so I can use half decent lenses. Come on, stop defending a bad purchase. You know you’ll be trading the thing in for a proper camera as soon as you get over your embarrassment.
Andrea, just take your medication as the doctor prescribed and have a nap. When you wake up, all these imagined problems (hallucinations) will be gone.
Imagined third party mounts to solve design faults??? ….imagined adapters to use decent lenses??? … I think you should take some medicine yourself and see the world as it is, not as you would like it to be.
This $40 piece of scrap is just a placebo to rectify a non existing problem. Stop being so gullible.
Lots of people out there with wobbly lenses don’t think so.
Maybe you got a good one, maybe you use tiny lenses to suit the tiny camera …. then again, maybe you don’t own one at all.
Lot’s of people are having problems, this $40 piece of scrap seems to be solving a lot of problems for a lot of people. Problems which should not exist, I agree, but do for many people.
Right, and I have a pill that cures cancer but it’s only available to the first ten million callers. Operators are standing by but these pill won’t last long so call now!
Not a nice thing to say! You don’t know what problems anyone reading this thread may have and how upsetting your flippant comment may be to them.
Thousands have already given successful accounts of this miracle
cure, don’t hesitate; send your money now before it’s too late!
Operators are “standing by” LOL
Admit it, your just here to stir up BS. Get off you high horse and stop complaining.
And you have such a tiny brain for such a rotund body.
Apparently, you also don’t respect yourself, going on forums trolling. You are a decent troll though, I’ll give you that, but it could be better. Here’s an idea – try to attack Sony for its real problems (not some drama-queen-invented-non-issues) and work it from there.
He’s past the point of neurosis.
Very true. These consumer electronics corps may well call themselves “innovators”, but the reality is, we still only have N and C. Now, that has not been “innovated”.
“It looks a touch classier than the cheaply machined soft metal Sony original,…”
Who is sitting around with their camera on display without a lens or body cap? Ridiculous.
Why not? Take the cap off the camera and take a selfie with your smartphone: “me and my classy camera”. A nice duckface is a bonus.
Does it do anything for the Light Leak (non) issue?
No, it only frees you of 40 dollars.
Buy Hasselblad and you can answer your self. Hassy take awesome pics but it’s heavy like a brick of concrete.
I just had a pizza for dinner. And ice-cream for desert!
This proved to be a real warning!
I will give it a try. I don’t use adapters so it should only improve things. I can still switch back to the old mount if I don’t like it
A useless piece of scrap metal.
No way would I buy that. I trust my $10 eBay adapters on my quality engineered camera with my plastic mount
That statement is so idiotic on so many levels it defies comment.
3rd party solutions for bad Sony design…
Problem 1) Lack of lenses
Sony’s solution is: “We are an electronics company…so we will let the lens manufacturers sort that one out.”
Problem 2) Small lens mount
Sony’s solution is: “We don’t know how to overcome it…so we will let the lens manufacturers sort that one out too.”
Problem 3) Wobbly plastic mount
Sony’s solution is: “Errm…hopefully a 3rd party company will sort this one out for us too…BUT…we will put a full metal mount on out highest priced camera tho…”
These things are basics. It’s no good innovating new products…when customers are paying the price for their mistakes…whilst they learn from these mistakes along the way!!
And then; reality:
1) More lenses than you will ever be able to afford.
2) A mount that works perfectly except in the minds of internet trolls.
3) A secure mount designed by mechanical engineers that actually understand the physical requirements of lens attachment.
4) A system that works so well at capturing stunning images that fan boys are green with envy and have to resort to repeatedly exposing their own stupidity here on this forum.
I own the A7R and the A7S. The stainless steel mount on the A7S handles and feels sooo much better than the plastic one. It’s like night and day. I absolutely despise the A7R’s plastic mount (and shutter lag, but that’s another conversation). Still love the cameras on the whole. Just going to be exclusively using Loxia lenses in the future.
The mount is steel, the spacer is plastic. Let’s not get confused.
Let’s also not get confused about how much of a difference a stainless steel flange (or spacer…) makes to the feel of the camera/lens coupling. If you’ve used the A7 or A7R and then moved to the A7S, you would know what a difference there is to the solidity camera when paired with a lens.
When the lens rotates to lock into place…it threads onto plastic…it is not a spacer…it is part of the lens locking mechanism…
Over time it wears away…much much quicker than metal…
Also, there is play in the metal and plastic mount parts…
Terrible terrible design!!
Not really a terrible design… You forget that the camera bodies aren’t supposed to last forever like an old Nikon F5, instead they are supposed to be disposable because in a few years they will be obsolete. That’s the part that people wanting a camera built like a tank forget, digital camera wouldn’t be used after a while because they will be inferior to the next generation and it will come out well before the plastic piece stops working.
The mount “feels” and ‘handles” better? Tell us about the depth of the screws too.
the alloy screws give me orgassm!!
There’s actually only one problem – drama queens with crazy expectations and invented issues.
I did the upgrade and if you are careful to have the screws absolutely flush or recessed, there is absolutely no problem with any adapter that I’ve tried (6 different brands) nor are there any infinity issues with any of the older lenses I’ve tried. I’m thinking they may not have gotten the mount completely tightened down and all of the screws completely inserted in that review. Most definitely the lens wobble issues are dramatically improved. It was; however, not super easy achieving the completely flush mounting of the screw nearest the alignment dot on my copy but once I did get it in there by slightly tightening each screw in a criss-cross fashion and using about 5 times of moving from screw to screw until all were completely tight. It is easy to get this slightly out of alignment which could cause the problems in that review. I think the Internet Amplification Effect is in full force turning an extremely minor or user specific issue into a major issue.
Overall I am pleased with the modification and am amazed by all of the people slamming something they have never used, tried or even seen.
Thanks for your report! As Hans mentions below, one can always revert back to the old mount if there is a problem.
Good review, and if all the rationalization helps you to feel less guilty for paying $40 for fifteen cents worth of metal than so be it.
Do I need to use, try or see a car with square wheels to know that I don’t need it? Anyway, the problem is not the item, it is the non issue it solves.
Not sure if I would trust something like this from Fotodiox… I had one of their adapter for a Leica to Nex mount and ended up having to sand down the adapter in order to get infinity… If this thing isn’t perfect it could mess up your focus.
I did do before and after center and all 4 corner resolution tests on the 4000 LPF ISO 12233 chart and found no change whatsoever.
Proving the replacement mount is useless.
It shows that it does not cause corner to corner planarity issues or infinity focus issues which was the crux of the question that this response was typed to. It says absolutely nothing about it being useless. Would it be more useful to you if it wasn’t planar or didn’t focus to infinity… The comment makes no sense to me!
So, what was the exact issue you had before the installation and did you contact Sony to fix it?
some would find every way to spend money, especially when it is really cheap. add a sticker etc
I ordered one of these tough mounts too, and I’m waiting to get it. Hopefully I’ll be able to install it well! I really hope it can help me mount longer and heavier lenses with less flex from the mount (per example, I have a Nikkor 70-210 f/4 that is slightly longer and heavier than most E-mount lenses, I think that a mount that is more rigid would help me use it better and with less shake).
Longer, heavy lenses shouldn’t be supported from the camera body anyway. If tripod mounted, they should use a lens tripod. If hand-held, then the weight of the lens should be supported. It’s not good for the camera body to put a lot of leverage on it, and the A7 body is rather small.
A 70-210 f4 might be OK, but I certainly wouldn’t support an f2.8 zoom of the same range using just the body.
I agree, I wouldn’t hold a 300 2.8 from the camera body. But the 70-210 AI-S doesn’t have space for a tripod ring anyway, it has a single zoom and focus ring, so it’s sometimes kinda difficult to hold precisely because of that. It’s why I’ll give a stronger mount a try.
Sonce we are on the subject of cameras….any word yet on the RX20? The PhotoPlus Expo starts tomorrow and no news about Sony’s challenger to the Lumix FZ1000.
Seeing that Sony is about to woo professionals it might help them to take note of some feedback regarding their A7 line of cameras:
http://www.eoshd.com/2014/10/sony-a7s-review-part-2-conclusion/
No, I’m not pushing that site, just pointing out some solid bit of advice that Sony should definitely take note of.
No not pushing, but shilling.
Advise like continuing to use an obsolete worst in class sensor, in your premier camera.
If you actually take pictures with that “obsolete worst in class” sensor, you will see the bashing is a marketing scam. Of course, keyboard warriors don’t need to go out and take pictures.
do you know sony is making sensor for nikon canon and olympus??
oh wait, even your iphone, gosh.
“The A7S body is rather prone to finger prints unlike the Nikon D750” because this matters….
I know this is a bit of a long shot but…really…for just some balanced view on this rather controversial “accessory” , I would suggest Admin (once again) to have made reference to previous comments on why the bayonet is made of plastic whilst the mount is still metal.
I’m sure he’s read the previous comments on the previous post. A nice disclaimer would be in order as to not be so blatant with the Amazon link for cash. This way at least some genuine, concerned A7 users can make an educated decision. This is more fear mongering than a helping hand (with some cash in between…)
I agree – I’d hate to see this bite Andrea in the arse. It really would be advisable to make it clear that: (i) Sony may have design reasons for using a plastic bayonet; (ii) if you install it, the bayonet may no longer function as intended and you risk damaging your camera/lens; and (iii) the benefits as yet are unproven, beyond the cosmetic differences.
That was pure spin on someone’s part. The onus is NOT on the SAR admin but is squarely on Sony to respond to the Fotodiox replacement. Also, they should explain why such a “safety” (as spun by someone) is absent in the A7s.
They already said that NEX as a name sounds “cheap”. Why did they not change the cheap plastic mount when they changed the name from NEX to “Alpha”?
BS. This is fixing something that isn’t broken. Why is A7s all metal bayonet? Maybe because if you rig the A7s with a big lens, you rig it to a tripod/shoulder rig/run and gun…whatever. You don’t hold the camera (as you never do) when you are using long lenses. Whatever the reason, the A7r and A7’s that are being used today are not breaking, the plastic bayonet isn’t compromising anyone’s work and those are the same mounts that the 5n, 7, 5r, 6, 5t and so on always had and not one individual open their b1t c h mouth about it until this.
Pure fear mongering bull$ h i t. Only the gullible let this crap get in the way of photography. If your camera has an issue, send it to Sony.
That’s exactly what Sony should do – respond to every paranoiac out there. They did this for a-mount and it changed nothing.
Absolutely. The level of drama over complete non-issues is bewildering, even for a gear head forum.
I want to warn against hasty replacement of native mount components on custom metal ring. Sony engineers thought about you a lot more than you might imagine this. Plastic ring is a fuse that will save your camera at strong side impact to the lens, this insert, destroyed first and absorb most of the energy of impact, thereby not give damage more valuable components. Replacement plastic ring in the service center is much cheaper than buying a new camera.
Take a look at the mount design. The plastic portion is a spacer, not a fuse and while it contributes to loose lenses from compression, as the outer mount face is mounted to the camera frame directly the plastic section cannot fail unless either the metal face or the camera frame mounting posts fail first.
lens attached their projections for the plastic ring so all the impact energy goes on to breaking off the ears of plastic ring
It is not physics but spin. Same as the name change from NEX to “Alpha”.
You, take a look at the mount. Black plastic has the bayonet…where your lens twists. Look at the metal mount…how does your lens bayonet attach to that?
Spacer…
Well, how would you explain the stainless steel ring inside of the A7s? 😉 Neither cameras nor lenses are designed to survive a drop on a concrete floor. These days the (Sony) cameras are cheap and the lenses are expensive, so I would say if I drop my system, I will be more concern about the lens than the camera. If the camera helps to absorb the hit and the lens won’t get damaged – I will just say it thanks and bury with honors in my backyard.
Before we get to explaining the steel ring of the a7s, how about someone shows what is the actual issue with the plastic ones? And both your lens and your camera will benefit of a breaking point between the two.
Did anybody make a statistical research and found a correlation that a weaker camera mount leads to a less significant damage? 😉 I’m not sure how a breaking point will help to protect the front element of my lens or the LCD screen of my camera. What if my camera get ran over by a car or stolen by Yeti? Will it help? Probably not much, but an _insurance_ will. Every problem has its own solution. The FD mount solves the wiggling. How many times did I drop my camera? None. How many times I got irritated by the lens wiggling? Countless.
The issue could be not in the material, but the whole construction in general. My A7r has a quite loose mount, but I’m aware not every camera is affected by this problem. How reliable is the two parts mount compared to the one piece mount? Will the one piece mount get loose after one year of usage same as the two parts mount? Will the one piece mount help to avoid sending the camera to fix the wiggling every 6 mounts? No idea actually. Sony has better clue most likely since their latest camera has one piece steel mount.
My only concern what if manufacturing tolerances of the FD mount are actually worse than the original Sony plastic mount? I hope they aren’t otherwise it can be a bummer! 🙂
Did you make statistical research that this fotodiox mount actually improves your pictures?
Did I mention that anywhere? Is it supposed to? It reduces rotational wobbling, nothing else. The wobbling doesn’t affect neither “my pictures” nor anybody else’s pictures. Even yours.
Exactly. Needless modification.
LOL I didn’t say that neither 🙂 It’s needles indeed for the folks that have a nice stiff mount from the beginning and not planning to use anything heavy on it. But I find the “tough” mount quite useful since it solves my wobbling problem and the annoyance caused by it, and I hope it won’t also get loose as quickly as the Sony mount. Some people complain they send their cameras to Sony every 3 months or so to just tighten the mount.
BS. As I said before, all NEXs had the same mount. Pure paranoia. I had a CV 35mm 1.2 II plus adapter mounted on my NEXs (+530g) and it has a stiff focusing mechanism and had no wobble. Same with all other lenses I attached to it. If you have a wobbly mount…send it to Sony. Don’t imagine that is the “standard” and procure a third party product to fix what isn’t broken.
Why being so aggressive? Chill out man. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings somehow, just don’t take it personally, no hysteria or suicide please.
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I’m very happy for you that your mount doesn’t wobble, but let me decide should I send the camera to Sony or not myself. I had lots of negative experience with Sony in the past and I don’t want to get the camera back with fixed mount and broken something else. And why should I send the camera to Sony, if the FD mount fixes my problem in no time? What makes you thinking you’re right and everybody else who got the FD mount are wrong? If you don’t like it – simply don’t buy it, nobody forces you.
So, you basically wrote all of this to say nothing. No proof of any problem and no clue about materials. You simply solved your irritation for 40 dollars.
I don’t need to proof anything to anybody and especially to you. Neither my thoughts nor the Fotodiox mount are not supposed to cure ebola, I’m sorry if we did not fulfill your expectations 🙂
And yes, it did solve my irritation for $40, and I’d like to try the A7s mount as well, so I’ve ordered one too. We’ll see how it’s gonna work.
“I don’t need to proof anything to anybody and especially to you”
Seriously, how old are you? My point is that there is no problem with the mount, unless somebody can prove there is a problem. Some vocal paranoia about potential issues, based on wrong assumptions about material qualities and no evidence, is nothing more than fear mongering, same as what we’ve seen for years with the oh-so-fragile swivel LCDs. As to you solving your irritation, I wasn’t being sarcastic, it is a perfectly valid thing to do. But let’s not pretend there is an actual issue with the mount – usability doesn’t suffer, IQ doesn’t suffer.
Why does my age matter? 🙂
Yes, the image quality doesn’t suffer, but I won’t be so sure about usability. The camera is usable, but wouldn’t you find it annoying when you rotate the MF ring and the lens also moves back and forth along with the ring? Do you like to drive a car that’s shaking, squeaking and rattling or would you prefer a car that doesn’t have all these problems, assuming both cars are the same model and quality of the ride is same?
Because the phrase I quoted was childish. Either that or it didn’t make sense in the context.
Yes, I probably will find it mildly annoying. Heck, I am buying manual lenses just for the feel. However, it is one thing to find something annoying and another that your camera falls apart. Just because the two can be called “issues”, it doesn’t mean they are the same thing. So, let’s leave the ‘reliability’, ‘damage’, ‘wear and tear’ and other such concerns for when we have at least a few broken mounts (right now I am not aware of even a single one) and discuss the issue for what it is – paying for a better feel.
And your car analogy is entirely over the top.
You understood it wrong, it has nothing to do with the age. It was straight response on your “no proof of any problem”. I’m not in the court and I don’t need to proof anything. The only thing that’s important for me is the mount does what it’s supposed to do: eliminates the wobbling.
What does sound “childish” is your countless attempts to convince everybody that’s the FD mount is a worthless PoS and nobody needs it. That’s simply not true and now I think you agree that the wobbling is annoying and it’s ok to pay $40 to get rid of it completely.
The car analogy is to understand the subject better. It is an exaggeration, I’m sorry if it offended you, but I think now you’ve got my point 🙂
Ah, so you finally decided to try and twist the issue around. Well, it’s pointless to argue here, you clearly do not understand my position 🙂
That’s right, I don’t understand your position and I’m not even sure you understand your position yourself 🙂 So what’s your position?
Ok 🙂 Let’s look at our discussion since the beginning, shall we? My first reply to you was a question – what is the problem with the plastic? What did I try to convince you of with that? You answered with some rant about “statistical research”, “Yeti”, rhetorical questions and whatnot. From what I managed to gather, I recognized two issues – one, you were irritated about the wobbling and two, you are worried about reliability. In my reply to this, I actually agreed with the former, but I disagreed with the latter, because there is no proof of anything ever failing. What did I try to convince you of there? You answered this with “I don’t need to proof anything to anybody and especially to you”. Of course, you don’t have to, but you are actually losing the argument here: you are claiming there’s an issue, but you can’t prove it. It is a childish response, because it makes the whole discussion meaningless in a futile attempt to not give up. Finally, I explained my position pretty clearly – “let’s leave the ‘reliability’, ‘damage’, ‘wear and tear’ and other such concerns for when we have at least a few broken mounts and discuss the issue for what it is – paying for a better feel.” What exactly do I try to convince you of? It is you who is going on about some inexistant reliability issue.
Well, you just confirmed that you either have problems with attention span, or you can barely read. That’s ok, I’ll try to help you.
1.
You: And both your lens and your camera will benefit of a breaking point between the two.
Me: I’m not sure how a breaking point will help to protect the front element of my lens or the LCD screen of my camera.
Explanation: the breaking point will protect the camera the same as it would protect it from any other accident, like run over by a car stolen by Yeti.
Explanation for people _like_you_: No, it won’t protect.
2. You: Of course, you don’t have to, but you are actually losing the argument here: you are claiming there’s an issue, but you can’t prove it
Prove what?
Me: “The FD mount solves the wiggling. How many times did I drop my camera? None. How many times I got irritated by the lens wiggling? Countless.”
Do you need a proof of the lens wiggling on my camera? I’m sorry but I won’t shoot a video for you and upload it on youtube. I don’t sell the “tough” mounts, but you can check the Fotodiox’ video.
3. You: What exactly do I try to convince you of?
Me: How the h3ll I’m supposed to know? You don’t know neither. You’ve promised to make your point clear but you didn’t. Where did you see I said something is not reliable. I’ve asked a question to compare the plastic mount to one piece metal mount:
“How reliable is the two parts mount compared to the one piece mount?”
If you didn’t notice the question mark at the end you definitely need a better glasses.
Night-night!
1. You were replying to Дмитрий Линевич, who explained that the plastic serves as a breaking point. I simply said that a potential breaking point will help both the lens and the camera. No contradiction here.
2. You asked “How reliable is the two parts mount compared to the one piece mount? Will the one piece mount get loose after one year of usage same as the two parts mount?” My whole point is that this shouldn’t be a concern, because there is no proof of anything breaking. How difficult is this to understand?
3.”How the h3ll I’m supposed to know?”, yet you said “countless attempts to convince everybody that’s the FD mount is a worthless PoS and nobody needs it”. Where are these countless attempts in our discussion?
1. I was replying to YOUR post that says “And both your lens and your camera will benefit of a breaking point between the two.” If you agree that plastic is breaking easier than metal, then you DO contradict yourself.
2. See #1. This seems to difficult to understand to you.
3. Look at your other posts in this topic. That’s what you’re doing… Trying to spill your biased opinion that kind of far from reality. Not sure why you are so unsatisfied with the FD mount or the idea of having a 3rd party mount. Did Fotodiox do anything bad to you in the past? Something horrible you’re ashamed to say? Anyway – if you don’t like it or cannot afford it – simply don’t buy it, move along and don’t try to tell people what they supposed to do – internet is a free place.
1. I was replying to your reply to Дмитрий Линевич, where you mentioned that you are “more concerned about the lens than the camera”. There is no contradiction. It is one thing for something to break during a fall and completely another to fail during regular use.
2. I am repeating here, you stated that you are irritated by the wobbling and asked about the reliability, right? I answered that you solved your irritation and that there is no proof of any other real problem. That’s it. You then went on to say that you don’t need to prove anything to me. The only way to understand that is that you disagree with me and that there is another problem. Otherwise, what are you arguing, if I am actually agreeing with you on the irritation issue?
3. I can say the same about you – you are trying to convince other people that there is a problem, where the only issue is your “feel”. Anyway, I have no issue with Fotodiox or your irritation, I have an issue with people going on about reliability problems based on nothing.
Seems like you are having a fixation, since I can’t find any new arguments in your post.
Also I’d like to see where exactly I’m trying to convince people that there is a problem besides of wobbling in certain cameras. Please give me an example where I said that.
“Anyway, I have no issue with Fotodiox or your irritation, I have an
issue with people going on about reliability problems based on nothing.”
Awesome! But why are you so concerned about “people going on about reliability problems”? Why wouldn’t you just let people think and decide for themselves? What makes you think you’re right while everybody’s wrong? Is there any definition or ISO standard for “regular use”?
That’s because I haven’t changed my argument. Call it a fixation, but I simply enjoy arguing and it seems you too 🙂
I already explained how your comment read and gave you the example – Point 2 in my previous comment. You didn’t say it, it was implied.
I am concerned about people going on about reliability problems, because that will necessarily end up as another self-perpetuated myth, scaring people away. I also am letting anyone think whatever they want, but facts are facts. Do you really want to tell me that a concern over reliability of the mount is warranted, when these plastic mounts have existed for a year already (if we count the APS-C camera, that would be four years), not a shingle one has developed a problem and the people who are arguing about that have no understanding of materials and their qualities?
In any case, I think we misunderstood each other already in the beginning and this is getting a bit long. I admire your tenacity and I hope we’ll find some new topic to argue about soon 🙂 Cheers!
Well, I must admit that was a very exhausting conversation. Especially considering it was build around of a misunderstanding. I apologize for any harsh words I’ve said in our polemic and I’m glad it’s finally over, and I also appreciate you’ve made a first step towards the big peace! 🙂
And no, I don’t want another topic to argue, screw that!
Peace and night-night!
might as well change your sensor too.
wait a second. change the camera instead!!
I talked to Bohus Blahut from Fotodiox, he seems like a very nice guy. Bohus says they have two batches of the tough mounts. The first batch may not handle well the the adapters and heavy lenses, but the second batch should be more precise and perfectly fine. I’ve noticed some tilting on the batch-1 ring while carrying the Otus 85 (~1.2 kg) via Metabones MK4, that was kind of a disappointment. Getting a new ring on Friday, hopefully without tilting issues.
Not sure if anybody saw the A7s’ service manual, but the A7s has also a _one_ piece steel ring. Theoretically it should be also compatible with any E-mount camera (it utilizes the same leaf spring plate as other A7/Nex and looks quite similar to the Fotodiox offer). I’ve ordered one just to compare to the Fotodiox ring. Those “original” mounts are backordered @ Sony, ETA is about 3 weeks.
I would be interested to hear how you go with attaching the A7S mount. I have just brought an A7S and the mount is very different to the A7 and A7R I tried and to my NEX-7. It’s a lot more firmer and my AF contax g adapter doesn’t attach to it.
Yes, the A7s’ mount is a one piece ring, same as the Fotodiox mount ring, so it is quite different. I’m not sure though if FD has copied the A7s ring or they just got the idea and made a similar ring compatible with the rest of E-mount cameras, we’ll see it in ~3 weeks 🙂 That’s gonna be fun. If don’t forget I’ll reply to this post.
I have the same experience with the A7s and an FD mount adapter that used to be a bit tight on the A7 I had, but is now too tight to fit. It was a cheap adapter, but I wonder if the mount is built to a different tolerance.
Oh, the irony. The fix for a quality check issue got its own quality check issues. With that said. I’d rather slap an OEM A7S mount on my A7R when and if it is needed. Both my A7R and A7S are tight and nice so far.
I almost bought this but realizing that my corner alignment is near perfect as shown by Imatest results and there is no play with the original mount, I canceled my order.
Ha ha, so in the end the “cheaply machined soft metal Sony original” ended up working better than the “classy” upgrade.
Do 12 to 20mm lenses need infinity focus on FF?
Yo dawg, we heard you like E-Mount, so we put a new E-Mount on yo E-Mount
Yo! 🙂
This reminds me the case with plastic mount on A58: only few complained actually but many would prefer the metal face. So we got it in A7, still on the plastic base. A bit surprising decision for the camera which is supposed to live a longer life with legacy lenses. Easy to fix though, iff needed.
That would be ideal but I guess Admin’s concerns are more towards the Amazon cash rather than the well being of the Sony user community that make up the majority of SAR. I never complain about him posting links because that’s income and he deserves it working on this site…but this one particular product needs attention.
this costs less then 1$ to produce.
What’s your point?
my point is that the product is an overpriced piece of sh*t. it’s an aluminum metal ring. give me the measurements and I make you 100 in several minutes for less than 1 of those cost.
it should be made of gold for that absurd price.
fortunately it will be easily copied in a few weeks/months and sold for about 2$.
I’d love to see you make a profit worth the effort at that price.
have you seen on ebay adapters for other mounts? they sell for 5$. and they still make profit. and those are far more complex than just a stupid plain metal ring.
Believe me. My previous job was a CNC machinist and I used to do this things all the time. All you need to do is to input the measurements and you are done. it is cheap. material costs next to nothing. this has about 40cents of material at the very best.
And if you are going to mass produce it’s not even worth to comment because then it gets even a fraction cheaper than that.
this is probably the most absurd overprice for a product that I ever seen in my entire life. it’s just ridiculous. It’s a metal ring. it’s not gold or platinum. it’s chromed aluminium.
but no worries. it will be copied in no time and be sold for less 95% less.
What country do you live in? 🙂
I could be wrong but the FD mount is a copy of the A7s mount that Sony sells for $64.
I currently live in Portugal. Send me the measurements and I’ll ship 1 to you for free. I can make it in almost any alloy. just don’t ask me for gold or something :p
LOL thank you for the offer – will keep it in mind! 🙂 You probably should start your own business, really. What file format does your CNC machine takes? AutoCad or something else?
but there’s already tons of companies that do exactly that! that’s why this product is really shitty. it takes many formats, autocad included. I just have to place the material, send the file and press a button and I can make everything you want. I’ve machined in many materials and metal alloys like gold platinum brass aluminium you name it.
but really, for this piece, almost any CNC on the market can make it very easily without issues and very fast at a very low cost.
you just need to create a file. if I had a sample and/or the measurements I could make the file in less than an hour.
people must be really stupid to buy this for 40$.
Exactly. You are an engineer. Not a businessman. Just saying.
yes. I am a businessman. I’m the owner of my company. I’ve 20 employees working for me. Just saying.
Not making these and selling them for a couple of dollars you don’t. If it’s so easy and you think there is enough money in it to make and sell these for a few dollars, why don’t you do it? This is the bit where you tell me all the reasons it would be impractical, not worth your time or there’s not enough money in it. smh
because I’m specialized in medical parts for prosthetics that cost several thousands of dollars and not in cheap sub 1 dollar parts. but I said I’ll do it. I’ve already ordered 1 just to copy and make dozens. I can give you one for free if you want.
there you go.
http://stkb.co.jp/info/?p=1207
Sorry, but what exactly are you showing me here? Unless these sell for $2, I’m not sure what you are trying to prove.
if sony machined metal is cheap, this is from china factory? even cheaper?
Aren´t Sony products supposed to be from china factory anyways?
i loled at internet chap thinks they are better than sony engineers. it is like changing an aftermarket light bulb in your car and go huh dur huh dur over it. oh wait, this is a failed product, LOL
Yep. That’s why you see the steel in the A7s. Sony engineers are da best. Nobody can beat a Sony engineer by definition, except of maybe other Sony engineer.
Wot? yuo no speeka ze englisch?
dude, you can always google translate if you cant speak english, sorry about your mothe though.
Does it fix the rotational wobbling observed when focus with old and rather stiff lenses ?
Don’t resist the wobbling…you have to try and flow with it. Effort is futile…embrace the wob.