I really had a laugh when reading that part of the Canon interview released at Dpreview. DP asked Canon why their sensors cannot compete with Sony sensors in terms of dynamic range. The answer was:
I’m not sure what measurements you’re looking at but when it comes to dynamic range for example we consider image quality as a whole, from low to high ISO sensitivities and on balance we consider our sensors to be the best.
Canon really believes their sensors are “currently the best on the market“! They are really living on another planet 🙂
I am not trying to play down Canon. Their DSLR are in many aspects superior to Sony SLT cameras. But when it comes to sensor performance they really denied the evidence. While every test from DxOmark shouldn’t be taken as a holy grail or as an absolute truth the difference in performance is really huge:
Like I told you in my previous post both companies will offer new kind of FF sensors in the upcoming 2015 cameras. That’s going to be exciting!
One more thing: Canon you make the best sensor? Than why you use the same RX100m3 sensor inside your new G7x? (Source: CanonWatch).
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If anything Canon at least is trying to be funny … LOL …
why post such controversial thing? is it rumors about sony? Who is better, the market speaks.
The market does not reflect who creates the best sensor. Many consumers are not driven by reviews. They are buying the brand they know or a friend has recommended.
Even if they are driven by reviews – Canon still has dozens of advantages over Sony. Including one that’s more important than the bodies themselves: Lenses (and even in Bodies Canon still has numerous advantages, such as better GUI, optical viewfinder, much better AF, etc.)
I do not disagree that Canon holds advantages over Sony,
(although dozens I doubt) lenses yes, but everyone who saw the FF roadmap sees
that this is getting less of an issue, and yes, the roadmap is not a hollow
poster, the lenses are delivered by Sony/Zeiss. GUI is a personal matter,
optical viewfinder, I and others prefer the electronic viewfinder, but ok,
that’s a personal issue as well. Canon does have better AF no doubt, but Sony
is catching up, last week I tried the A6000 and that thing has a very fast AF.
It is “only APS-C, but Sony is definitely catching up with Canon/Nikon on this aspect.
What is clear though, is that Canon is innovating less than the competition.
Olympus/Fuji/Sony/Panasonic and even Nikon are currently on a much better
track. Canon market share is huge, but at the moment not based on the best
products. Canon f.e. has nothing that can touch the Nikon 810 and system cameras
are non-existing.
controversial posts generate more posts from irate Sony fans whch in turn attracts trolls like flies round a $%%^ lol . Hits on a website are based on quality not quantity
Why not?
Sometimes when something incorrect is said enough people start to believe it as truth. Some other quotes from canon or at least canon fanboys are “No one wants such high resolution/mp” or “No one needs such high resolution/mp” etc…
High Resolution/mp = versatility, so might as well say “No one needs versatility in a camera”.
Lol.
Same as the iPhone crowd.
If you actuallly look at he detailed DXO results the only weakness of Canon sensors is low ISO DR . When looking at the 6D compared to the A7 & A7r at base-200 ISO the Sony’s have a good lead in DR by 400ISO it is down .6 of a stop from 800ISO onwards it is neck and neck with the Canon having a very slight advanatge. Regarding SNR they are nearly identical.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-6D___916_917_836
Meh…
The 1dx was announced in Oct 2011, the 5Dmk3 in Feb 2012, the A7s is a low res one trick pony. When actually looked at between 400iso and 6400iso the difference is negligible. As a low ISO landscape shooter the low ISO DR advantage makes the Sony 36mp sensor my chosen option.Though with base ISO DR of over 12 even the Canons are going to do just fine. For me the main weakness of the 5D sensor is its low ISO shadow noise.
Each to their own for me the A7s is an irrelevance, I seldom shoot video and have never used an ISO over 6400.Lets face it for every Sony “PRO” there will be at least a 100 Canon pro shooters so while fanboys all love graphs there are no shortage of wonderful images from all makes of camer in the right hands.
The only ‘one trick pony’ is the A7R.
You clearly have no idea what’s going on around you if you think that A7S is something more than just a random single-shot camera. Sony makes bodies like that for years, in case you missed it, they’re the Spray ‘n pray company.
Yes, that made a whole bunch of sense :S
Please pray-tell what is going on around me?
So A7R is almost identical with 5DIII in almost everything but doing it with 36MPixels. Let’s see if Canon can make a 36MPixel sensor which won’t drop the quality in other areas.
Trying image again…
There is an other point where Sony is better, better over the total range: Color sensitivity.
So on Dynamic range Sony is better and color sensitivity is better and you get more megapixels, so what sensor is better? Oh yes the one that has CANON on the badge!
To the OP: The fact that Canon doe snot make a 1″ sensor has all to do with the fact thatit is cheaper to buy it elsewhere then to design it yourself. Canon used Sony chips befor in their compact cameras.
Yes! Color is much better on Sony sensor! Was picture of Sony sensor here on this website with rainbow colors all over it! So cool and beautifull!!! Sony color is best!
Indeed. As far as SNR goes, then for (most) of the ISO range it’s dominated by shot noise which is a fundamental characteristic of light. That means if the QE (efficiency of conversion of detection of photons) is similar – and most modern CMOS processors are – then the SNR will be essentially defined by the sensor area (at common output size of course).
The weak point in the Canon sensor is basically the read noise at low ISOs. It’s that which means it can’t match the DR of the Sony sensors at that point.
Interestingly the A7S displays some of the same characteristics of the Canon sensor in that it’s read noise at low ISO is also relatively high (hence it doesn’t match the A7/A7S low ISO DR), but it makes up for it at very high ISOs when read noise is dramatically lower.
Most Sony sensors display what’s often called “isoless behaviour”. That is characterised by a straight line graph of DR with ISO. The Canon sensor does not (and neither does the A7S sensor).
I guess this “same characteristics” you were talking is due to a very large well capacity for low resolution sensor at low ISO. In this case the gain of the amplifier is quite small, which results in a high input-referred noise.
If you’re compare the 5DIII with the Nikon D810, which use the Sony-Sensor, the difference is even higher.
http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Nikon-D810-sensor-review-New-DxOMark-leader/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-D810-has-slight-advantage-over-nearest-rival
No! Nikon sucks! Sony is bestest!
We talking about the sensor. Not the company that designed the Body. And it seems that the sony-sensors are slightly better. I’m a Sony-user and i’m glad to be one but you must Consider it unemotionally.
But I am emotionally! Photography is passion! I LOVE Sony!
Yeah, Andrea, I sure see your point, but come on: What do you expect a Canon company representative to say.
But we are Sony shooters! We are by definition very immature and and get a lot of joy out of mocking other camera manufacturers. Equally funny is stuffing bird droppings into mailboxes and ringing doorbells and then running away. We are Sony shooters!
Replace that guy who gave the inverview with a random person with marketing experience and no knowledge about photography business. Give him 2-3 days to research some keywords and he’d give this exact interview in the end.
Canon at least make lenses and doesnt joke with lens mount
sony a77 owner
Isn’t EOS-M mount a bad joke?
EOS-M is decent for what it was suppose to do: Be a cheap portable camera that you can use in the same way as you use Canon pancake lenses – as an emergency when everything else fails. So, no, it wasn’t a joke, however it was a different camera to what people wanted/expected.
1 body and 3-4 lenses – is it a system that was expected from Canon? EOS-M is 2.5 years old and it’s the worst system nowadays
This “system” would fulfil it’s role even if it’d have ZERO lenses and just one adapter.
And I would be very careful calling it a “system”.
By your logic the NEX system is the holy grail, more than 30 native lenses and lo and behold, it has adapters for both a-mount and ef-mount!
It was not “supposed to be” a cheap camera, the cheapest kit had an introduction list price of $800 for chrissakes.
Sure, it’s dirt cheap now, but only because nobody in their right minds would pay what they were asking for it. That doesn’t mean it’s not a joke – it CONFIRMS it.
It was supposed to be cheap??? Are you joking? They released it with a £750 pricetag and could only sell any when they dropped the price to £300…
Nope, the lens line-up is currently small, but lenses are well priced
and optically great and compact… M body is nicely build, unfortunately
the body ergonomics is even worse than Sony NEX APS-C series… And I definitely trust more Canon to be committed to EOS-M mount, than Sony to their NEX APS-C E mount now.
As Canon EOS-M (and few FF bodies) and Sony NEX-3 and A7 user, IMHO, I’m not trolling.
It has nothing to do with trolling! But there is one thing you have to accept: The EOS-M was aborted by Canon. It had no change of a decent life at all. They put nothing exiting in it, they made it focus way to slow, asked a price way to high, did not support it, did not come witha new, improved body (only put WIFI in the m2 but forgot to market it outside Asia. Came with a nice WA zoom but again not for sale outside of Asia. The camera is now selling not to bad, but for a giveaway price.
So to be honnest: the lens line-up is not only currently small, it will not grow at all. Canon is now thinking of a new mount for mirrorless. The only troll at the moment is Canon itself.
You trust more Canon, who after more than 2 years have just a few lenses and a couple of underfeatured EOS-M cameras, versus Sony who have a significantly more complete and better featured APS-C system and are currently expanding to FF?
Agree it looked good on paper but Canon for some daft reason haven’t invested in this mount and could abandon this soon. By now we should have 5-6+ lens plus including F4’s and some upgraded bodies to the 1 EOS-M body including an entry level, mid and pro APS model with faster AF. Also the sensor output of this is similar to 70d and Canon sensors are bit behind in Sony’s excellent Sensor’s.
Lol. Canon alienated plenty of users in the eighties and now have introduced a new mirrorless mount that sits underdevelopped.
Simple questions: why is Canon buying Sony sensors? And why did (and still does?) their mass market compact lineup almost entirely use Sony sensors? Answer: Sony is the technology leader.
“why is Canon buying Sony sensors?” – they’re the cheapest on a market (due to largest volumes of production).
“And why did (and still does?) their mass market compact lineup almost entirely use Sony sensors?” – same as above: They’re the cheapest.
“Sony is the technology leader.” – Sony is a technology leader, but it got nothing to deal with why Canon is buying their sensors.
+1
Even Samsung are buying the 1″ sensor. Samsung NX mini.
Cheapest best performing sensor in the open market!
I also had a good laugh, thank you for posting admin. I think everybody by now has better sensor than Canon regarding DR, as you said they leave on another planet. LOL
so, you’r now a hater and a troll ? good job. me like.
i’m learning and growing every day!
btw, Canon is better and will always be. fact.
who’s the troll now?
1. i’m learning and growing 🙂
2. the fact is a fact. Canon is better and will always be. get over it. 🙂
You’re also getting greener and uglier.
Please describe your fact, troll.
Is this April the first ? there’s no comparison between Canon Sensors and Sony Sensors at the moment; Sony are street’s ahead at the moment.
Generations ahead I say!!! So awesome and stellar! The bestest! BLOW everything else out of water and everything! Sony so much more blow than Canon! So cool and pro!
irony fail……
No fail!!! I have HX400V! 24-1200mm!
I would love to get the alpha 7R if it had a decent autofocus. The autofocus in 7 R stinks. If Sony could put in the same autofocus as they use in the A 6000, and with the same body as they use on alpha 77 and alpha 99. Then they would have a winner
For landscapes you dont need that fast autofocus. The A7 focuses much better than the a6000 in low light, i have borth cameras. The A7R i cant speak of because i dont have it. When it comes to the a77 the autofocus is a winner but in terms of ISO noise it is useless above 400 😀 and have you even tried the A7R?
They shouldn’t have asked that question. That’s just too embarrassing to be answered honestly.
Would anyone like to buy a bridge??
What bridge? Sony bridge? I buy!!!
No Canon bridge is better I swear!
You mean bridge camera?!?
Well SONY has a bit better sensors but every A7? or A9? camera released has a design compromise which is far more important. Nothing to selebrate here. I’m SONY fanboy.
a bit better? they are miles better
My miles are much longer then yours it seems.
I dare you all: Take pictures with All FF cameras, with a very good lens (best would be the same lens on all cameras. Then print the pictures very large. Then compare them and try to tell what picture came out what camera. I think it will be close to impossible to tell the difference.
You’re new in the internet?
People already made a competitions like that, only not from prints but rather just a cropped images.
It’s actually possible to guess them. Heck, even I won a competition like that once with 6/6 cameras guessed. Key is looking at the noise structure and colors. Each manufacturer got them different.
Depends on the scene.
Try recovering the same amount of shadow detail as Sony/Nikon with the Canon sensor. That’s where it will fall down most.
when you print it their gamut colour will bee the same if u use the same printer, BUT.. when you recover highlight end shadows before printing SONY sensor will win..
Well, a bit better but not that much better. The24MP Toshiba sensor in the D7100 and other cameras is a little bit better than the new Sony 24MP sensor in the A6000, and the Nikon sensor in the 16MP D4s is a little bit better than the new Sony 12MP sensor in the A7s. Before exploding and posting nasty attacks, please read the number on the sensor testing sites. Thank you!
I wouldn’t call the Toshiba sensor better. It’s main benefit is having the 14 bit RAW option unlocked, which Sony for some reason didn’t feel needed for the A6000. But then again, the D7100 can’t make good use of that extra shadow room due to banding, which means that in practise, shadow recovery (specifically at lower ISO’s) is much more problematic than even the D7000.
In terms of noise in midtones, the Sony sensor is a hair cleaner too.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201102/11-0228E/index.html
Toshiba and Sony Execute Definitive Agreements For the Transfer of Semiconductor Fabrication Equipment to Sony
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201102/11-0228E/index.html
Ah yes! This looks to be an extract from a new comedy stage show Canon are working on at the moment called, ‘OH WHAT A LOVELY CRISIS (WHOOPS-A- DAISY WHERE HAVE ALL OUR SALES GONE!)’. A couple of other gags from the show include: ‘Nothing Sony are doing worries us’, and that old classic, ‘The 5D Mk III is the best DSLR on the market’. That last one really has ’em rolling about in the aisles, apparently.
Post of the day…Classic!
Yes!!! Sony is biggest camera company in the whole world and universe!!! Sony selling more cameras and pro cameras and lenses than everybody!!! Number #1!!! Think about it! NUMBER 1!!! Cannon is sad little joke company compared to GIANT Sony!
Wow! I never thought it would happen that soon. I was thinking in terms of maybe in a year or two!
Lol
Canon doesn’t even have got the market share in imaging sensor production like Sony.
Sony does almost build the better CMOS and CCD-imaging sensors for the whole camera and imaging industry. Apple’s iPhone, Nikon D-SLRs, Pentax Medium- and APS-C format cameras have got Sony imaging sensors inside. Canon is talking bullshit. Sony did have got much more innovative patents on imaging sensor devices.
Sony even delivers sensor tech to Hasselblad! The new 50 megapixel CMOS Medium Format Sensor is awesome on the new Pentax and Hasselblad cameras.
Sony has built as first company curved CMOS-sensors.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/curiosity-canon-says-we-and-not-sony-make-the-best-sensors/
Selling the most sensors does not make them the best! Look at Canon they sell the most cameras, but are they the best cameras?
Don’t get me wrong, Sony sensors are very good, maybe the best (it is just how you look at it) but numbers don’t tell all. Canon sensors are not bad either and there may be a Canon sensor that is better then a Sony sensor somewhere….
There is no “best camera” – if anything there might be a camera You find to be the best one, but that’s not an universal truth. I know plenty of Canon shooters who consider their cameras to be the best on a market. For many reasons.
On the one hand, I do think the Sony sensors are ahead, but on the other I can appreciate what he said about taking the image as a whole, rather than looking at figures.
I’d certainly take a camera which produces the most gorgeous looking pictures over one where I could squeeze out figures.
However, I think the Sony sensors DO create lovely shots, so the point he made is rather silly!
“But when it comes to sensor performance they really denied the evidence.”
Perhaps. Since when a sensor alone made better cameras or capable of making photographs with stunning image quality.
You highlight a valid fact. 🙂
Admin
Tell us about the new Sony sensor in January
Come on..spill the pixels…
Why don’t you tell us Barry?
You normally have all the answers, and the contacts from high up the Sony hierarchy.
I can tell! They will be the same!!! Yes!!! BecAUSE current sensor is already PERFECT! Cannot be improved! FACT!
This place is mental.
Bunny, you forgot to take your medicine.
“Canon really believes their sensors are “currently the best on the market“! They are really living on another planet”
Apologies but I think this statement sounds like it’s coming from a not so polished individual, almost teen-like.
Being a journalist, I would suggest a change of words that sound less inflammatory, a bit more mature, because in one way or another this site is one of the faces of a community.
You see other rumor sites that focus on other brands and I have not read anything near where the Admin of the site would write something akin to “we are the best and we laugh at you”.
We still look at the facts, i will repeat it for you:
Canon doesn’t even have got the market share in imaging sensor production like Sony.
Sony does almost build the better CMOS and CCD-imaging sensors for the whole camera and imaging industry. Apple’s iPhone, Nikon D-SLRs, Pentax Medium- and APS-C format cameras have got Sony imaging sensors inside. Canon is talking bullshit. Sony has got much more innovative patents on imaging sensor devices.
Sony is even delivering sensor tech to Hasselblad! The new 50 megapixel CMOS medium format sensor is awesome on the new Pentax and Hasselblad cameras.
Sony has built as first company curved CMOS-sensors.
Sony has got wide-gammut sensors with much more than 14 EV dynamic range Super 35 mm imaging sensors for cinema.
Really? Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just selectively wanted to shout back to something you thought I wrote?
What was my point and what did you try to say to me?
I want just to say the whole discussion is senseless.
Masaya Maeda – Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations at Canon is almost talking about the Canon EOS 7D Mark II with it’s silly APS-C sensor… and he didn’t even argues against Sony’s whole power in imaging sensor production.
You should read the whole interview:
“One thing we know from our own testing is that Canon DSLR sensors can’t quite compete with some modern sensors from Sony in terms of dynamic range. How important to you is developing sensor technology?
We are very focused on getting the best image quality. I’m not sure what measurements you’re looking at but when it comes to dynamic range for example we consider image quality as a whole, from low to high ISO sensitivities and on balance we consider our sensors to be the best.
My ideal camera is one that can take a picture in any environment from complete darkness to the brightest sunshine.
So in your opinion your sensors are currently the best on the market?
Yes. In the EOS 7D Mark II for example the sensor we’ve used is improved compared to the previous generation, especially at high ISO and in shadows. There’s less noise.”
He is only talking about High-ISO performance. Not dynamic range. So he talks like a politician and bad seller/bad salesman, just talking about another stuff and didn’t answer directly to the dynamic range question and even lies he wouldn’t know the sensor spec benchmarks.
And he only refers to the new APS-C Canon EOS 7D Mark II and not to the bigger 35mm full frame sensors. Canon doesn’t have got medium format. Sony has. So his answer in his interview is senseless and bullshit.
mmmmm….
You misunderstood his answer–
He is talking about dynamic range, etc — but at higher ISO.
At ISO 100, Sony sensors have much higher dr than Canon. But at ISO 6400, for example, it’s reversed — the Canon sensor is the one with much higher ISO.
Sure you are right at the High-ISO dynamic range point and who really cares about 0.1 to 0.8. EV differences at higher ISO? You will lose so much dynamic range in High-ISO even with Canon sensors. The difference in ISO 100 to 200 with 14 EV versus 12 EV is much more important.
I already understood his answer. But it’s for me still bullshit. Because High-ISO dynamic range always sucks. You can just take an underexposed low ISO-picture and push and pull it. You won’t have then bleeding and halos on lights.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7-versus-Canon-EOS-6D___916_836#tabs-2
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7-versus-Canon-EOS-6D___916_836#tabs-2
You won’t see really big advantages on the Canon sensor at overall performance.
The High-ISO performance in dynamic range aspects is even a better example with the A7s 12 megapixel sensor. It beats Canon.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7S-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III___949_917_795#tabs-2
So everything this Canon manager said is bullshit at the and of day.
Canon sensors suck at all ISO settings (unless you like banding in shadow areas), get over it.
You should note that there is conclusion and bias in dpreview’s question (“can’t quite compete”). If confronted with such a statement, of course an executive is going to defend their decisions. Had the question been something more along the lines of “how much DR is really necessary for photography?” they would have gotten a different answer, I think.
It’s so weird to read such an intelligent post here! Feels wrong somehow! 🙂
It’s hard not to do a little laughing, H the E, since Canon users have been laughing at Sony and Sony users for years. I read the interview this quote came from ((DPR with Mr. Maeda, head of Imaging for many years with Canon), and was struck by his defensiveness in this instance. He also acknowledged in this interview that the sensor in the GX7 is not a Canon sensor.
I’m beginning to get the feeling that the tables have turned, not in terms of sales but in terms of leadership in the camera business–that Canon, which has dominated for so long, is now responding to Sony, trying to catch up.
Whatever whomever says about Sony or their users, I have just come to understand that following your own way is best without paying attention to detrimental comments.
The Canon rep was not attacking Sony, or Sony users, just defending Canon’s position the best he could with the tools he had. Yes, he may look like an idiot to many by saying what he said, but that doesn’t make it right for someone with enough gravitas online, say a site Admin, to mock the man about it.
It is far better for anyone here in the comments to say things like that, but as a representative of a community, not so much.
Again, my thoughts. Not being totalitarian about it. Just an advice. Anyone can do whatever they want wherever they want.
If you think that Canon was one leading the innovation than you’re fooling yourself. Canon ALWAYS was responding to what other companies did, only they managed to do it in a way that won hearts and wallets of the customers.
Canon rarely was one to do anything “first”, but they were doing stuff “right”.
your comment sounds indeed really smart and matured, but it is simply not true.
1. He (Admin) did not say “we are the best and we laugh at you”. He said that the statement from Canon is false and indeed so ridiculous, that “..They are really living on another planet..”.
2. I have read something akin to “we are the best and we laugh at you” on other rumor sites.
So please be fair if you claim the same from others.
Without getting into a lengthy discussion about what is being said, I still stand by my position that the post does hold the “we are the best and we laugh at you”.
I do not argue Sony does make the best sensors. I do not argue that Canon’s statement is just PR defense.
A dismissal with a smile – “you’re living on another planet” , “do not fool yourself”, “are you living under a rock?” – is as valid on someone else face as mockery of someone’s intelligence or perception.
If you have read similar statements on other sites, that’s good. You have a broader sense of rumor channels on the internet. I did not write that statement as a proof of conduct of other administrators since I cannot be the administrator conduct police. My comment was for Admin to notice that he does hold part of a representation of a community of users and that his message could have been said without the mocking part.
Canon released two cameras at Photokina – the EOS 7D Mark II and PowerShot G7X. One thing we’ve learned is that the sensor in the G7X is not made by Canon. Does this represent a new philosophy at Canon?
We select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is. That’s our policy.
Why they dont using canon sensor inside GX7 if they fell they have the best sensor?
Canon doesnt have the best sensor technology right now, if you say canon sensor are the best you can join him living outside this planet
The real reason Canon put the Sony sensor in the GX7 is: It is cheaper to buy the sensor at Sony then develop it yourself. So your GX7 will be more expensive and not better when you buy the sensor. A cheaper and better camera sells easier then a more expensive camera that is not as good.
The reason Canon puts their own sensors in their DSLRs is that they use the same sensor over a lot of DSLRs and they sell a lot of DSLRs, so it is cheaper to make the sensor by yourself. But then it is hard to keep close to the brand that makes sensors and sells them to everyone who want to buy it.
I do not understand what your problem is with the above
mentioned quote. Quite frankly it shows that the admin is astonished by
this remark and nothing else. I do not know what is wrong about that. I assume
that we do not have to go into a discussion about the difference in quality
between the Sony and the Canon FF sensor. If you expect to come across
journalism of a standard like f.e. the Financial Times, than you are clearly on
the wrong web site. Let’s focus on the news/rumours and not weight every single
word published by the admin.
I didn’t think that suggesting a moderate change of words meant I had a problem with the statement.
As I said below, it is a suggestion. Admin can do whatever he wants with this site. However, he should be aware that what he writes has weight since he is the Admin of a site that has a community, which is part of a larger community, so a mocking statement may not represent the community as a whole. I am not expecting journalism standards. I was making a suggestion that the message he tried to convey could be made differently.
You had a good comment above…why did you delete it?
See animalsbybarry’s post above. That is factual! 🙂
Sony/Canon managers making goofy statements and if you recall, Nikon made an atrocious statement on facebook about people being worthy of their great gear (they apologized later).
Your intent is clear and fine but will not stick here, I think.
Sadly enough. Someone else noticed this at the top of the comments now but was less kind than me.
There are so many Canon fan boy out there,
even Canon put a outdated sensor in their new camera.
There are still a lots of people buy their camera.
If everyone not-bashing-Canon are automatically “Canon fan boys” – then I pity you.
Yeah because the ONLY thing that matters in a camera…is a sensor???!
Retard!!
Like Sony said in an interview… they are aiming their products at newbie photographers with an eventual long-term goal of gaining respect from enthusiasts and professionals…
Looks like this forum is full of the photography newbies that Sony was talking about…so phase one of the plan is well under way…
Yeah because the ONLY thing that matters in a camera…is a sensor???!
Stupid!!
Like Sony said in an interview… they are aiming their products at newbie photographers with an eventual long-term goal of gaining respect from enthusiasts and professionals…
Looks like this forum is full of the photography newbies that Sony was talking about…so phase one of the plan is well under way…
Sounds like an iphone user lol
What the hell is this…a rumors website or a Sony political party website?
There is a whole years difference between those cameras…!!
Every time i log onto this site i read lies and propaganda by the admin on this site that seems set to criticise other camera brands and only show favourable Sony reviews!!!
A few weeks ago…you posted how Nikon D610’s had never been cheaper and Nikon were desperately reducing costs…yet these were from dodgy ebay sellers…
Now today you are criticising canon…and comparing cameras released 12 months apart…
I don’t see the other rumors websites posting negativity about Sony or ridiculing the lenses that Sony have!!!
If you have no new rumours to post…then why post this rubbish just for the sake of luring people onto this website with sensationalism and fact-less drivel ?!
its called Reality Distortion Field (RDF)
I’m fine with that as long as you realize that a lot of what DxO publishes is RDF, too.
Hahaha….No.
“Canon released two cameras at Photokina – the EOS 7D Mark II and PowerShot G7X. One thing we’ve learned is that the sensor in the G7X is not made by Canon. Does this represent a new philosophy at Canon?
We select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is. That’s our policy.”
CANON New philosophy shows their weakness in sensor tech, but then they said have the best sensor in the world? on what world?
they have the best sensor but cannot using it because other manufacturers are better….
Canon has used Canon sensors in their DSLRs exclusively, as far as I know. Outside of DSLRs, they’ve used a mix of other company’s sensors for a long, long time.
When Canon says “best choice” it probably means more than just recording characteristics. One reason why Canon did their own sensors for DSLRs was that they were able to re-purpose a fully paid for fab, which kept their sensor costs extremely low. One reason why Canon bought Sony and other brand sensors for the small sensor cameras was that those were being produced in such volumes that they had price benefits already built in.
“Canon has used Canon sensors in their DSLRs exclusively, as far as I know. Outside of DSLRs, they’ve used a mix of other company’s sensors for a long, long time”
I think the only exception to this was the Panasonic CCD sensor in the original 1D.
Forgot about that one. You’re correct. I suspect that Nikon’s very surprise and quick move towards digital with the D1/D1h/D1x/D100 caught Canon a bit off guard and not quite ready to respond with their internal solutions.
“Canon really believes their sensors are “currently the best on the market“! They are really living on another planet ”
Um. No. Canon does not really believe that. But it’s not exactly something they can say out loud. Did you really think they would be stupid enough to admit publicly that their sensors suck?
I dunno, consumers vote with their dollars.
Since Canon photo products are profitable and Sony not, Canon must be doing something right.
Being scornful and superior to the choices consumers make does not put your product in a favorable light, and does not help sales. Release a superior product at a lower price, watch the consumers vote for Sony instead.
The best selling products are technically the best? The most profitable products are technically the best? Is that your point?
If that is what you tried to say, than your statement is just as ridiculous as the quoted statement from Canon.
I prefer a less market share produced Mercedes Benz S-class or E-class much more than a high capacitive overproduced VW Passat or little and ugly Golf or even Audi A8, A6, A3… for “Prolls” (german shortform of Prolet, for underclass thinking people)!
Can you compare a Leica M with a Canon? Can you compare a Zeiss Otus lens with a creepy Sony or Canon 50/85 mm f/1.4?
Technological Advantages have nothing to do with market share sales.
It’s always a question how innovative a manufacture/corporation is in there R&D and how luxury or how good the quality of their products are and the average cost-effectiveness ratio.
Sony photo products ARE profitable.
By your rationale any products sold in Dollar Stores and Walmarts are superior to their premium counter parts in upscale department stores. Problem is that simply isn’t the case and market/share sales are only part of the full story. I could point out that Sony makes half the smartphone sensors in the world, along with supplying Nikon and Olympus sensors for several of their flagship cameras. Canon can’t boast the same.
So Canon thinks they make the best sensors…and Sony thinks A mount is fully compatable with E mount.
LMFAO
Good point! 🙂
It’s not as black and white as the DXO scores, which measure dynamic range and color at base ISO — where the Sony sensor is vastly superior. But what was being accurately stated, the Canon sensors out perform the Sony sensor typically at mid and high ISO. Where the dynamic range and color of the Sony sensor drops quickly as ISO increases, the Canon sensor stays most constant.
A ISO 100 shooter is better served with Sony. But someone who typically shoots at mid or high ISOs can get better iq from Canon (putting aside the a7s for now).
Sure you are right at the High-ISO dynamic range point and who really cares about 0.1 to 0.8. EV differences at higher ISO? You will lose so much dynamic range in High-ISO even with Canon sensors. The difference in ISO 100 to 200 with 14 EV versus 12 EV is much more important.
I already understood his answer. But it’s for me still bullshit. Because High-ISO dynamic range always sucks. You can just take an underexposed low ISO-picture and push and pull it. You won’t have then bleeding and halos on lights.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras…
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras…
You won’t see really big advantages on the Canon sensor at overall performance.
The High-ISO performance in dynamic range aspects is even a better example with the A7s 12 megapixel sensor. It beats Canon.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras…
So everything this Canon manager said is bullshit at the and of day.
Depends which cameras and sensors you are comparing. For example, the 6d rather dramatically out performs the a99 from ISO 400 upward. (About tied at 400, and then the 6d lead grows)
I’ll be curious to see the 7dii against the a77ii when it gets benchmarked.
For some shooting styles, ISO 100 is more important, and the Sony sensor is much better.
Other types of shooters may rarely use ISO 100, and therefore get better iq from Canon.
The A77 and A99 aren’t good comparings! Cause the SLT-mirror causes light loss of about 1/3 EV or not?!!!
That affects noise, not dynamic range and color. At least, it shouldn’t.
I was comparing them because they are 2 cameras and sensors that came out around the same time. As each generation gets tweaked, it’s also unfair to compare a 2-year-old sensor with a newer sensor.
But let’s say we did take 2 similar resolution sensors — The A7 vs the Canon 6d:
Signal/Noise ratio is nearly identical between the 2 cameras. The 6D has a slight edge, but very very slight.
Dynamic range: At ISO 100, the A7 has a huge 2 EV advantage. At a real ISO of about 600, it has moved into a tie in dynamic range. By the time you get to about ISO 10,000, the 6D has a 1 EV advantage over the A7.
Color sensitivity: Sony A7 starts with a small lead, and they become about tied around ISO 1600.
Certainly, one can easily argue that the Sony sensor is better, ESPECIALLY if you shoot at low ISO. But it’s simply not black and white.
Reminds me of my kids, currently in elementary school — with new mandated testing, a lot of classroom time is spent teaching to the test. Forget learning other stuff, they are specifically teaching to the test.
Sony has successfully designed their sensors towards the DXO tests. The DXO scores are not based on a totality view of sensor performance — They very specifically are taking measurements at ISO 100 only for 2 out of the 3 factors. And even the ISO score, is based on a rather arbitrary measurement. It’s based on SNR of 30, DR of 9, and color depth of 18 bits..
So if camera #1, at ISO 1600, has SNR of 30.1, DR or 9, and color depth of 18.1..
And camera #2 at ISO 1600, has SNR of 32, DR or 11, and color depth of 17.9 —
Clearly, an honest person would say that camera #2 is performing better at ISO of 1600, but camera #1 would get the higher ISO score. Since camera #2 has “failed” 1 of the factors of the test, while camera #1 continues to just barely pass all 3 factors.
Canon Troll Adam Brown, as usual full of $hit. The 6D sucks.
Again a comment which is over the top. Why using words like b******? There are many situations where going to higher ISO is required and here the 6D is a great performer, with much cleaner output than what you get from the A7,A7r. Additionally it is just an opinion. Yours isn’t the only truth. sensorgen,info shows that the 6D sensor performs really well beyond ISO 1600.
“The difference in ISO 100 to 200 with 14 EV versus 12 EV is much more important. (Plus 2 EV is in real world issues a big advantage in landscape photography.)”
It’s certainly more important to some photographers. But to others, especially sports/action photographers, wedding photographers, etc… the performance at mid and high ISOs can be more important.
Funny guy this mr. Maeda, talking about superiority of canon sensors while holding a camera with a sony sensor inside (the new shiny canon g7x)
Canon you can. ;D
It doesn’t really matter who has the best sensor when Sony tarnishes their reputation like that.
They do have the best sensors, have the best tech (SLT) and make great mirrorless cameras, but they behave like lunatics, with the manager of the photo department making obviously delirious statements.
Against this background, one may actually opt for an inferior sensor that will be improved in future models, than for a Sony camera that may be replaced in the future with a potato with “Alpha” logo on it.
And that is what we love about Sony. They are lunatics that will do something new, even if it fails in a spectacular fireball.
You’re a turtle, what do you know.
DXO overall score sucks. I do not take it seriously. I always read details of measurement. Their scoring does not tell the whole story.
It’s always a question of what you are taking photos. What lens you use (micro-contrasts), which ISO setting, which raw converter and which post processing/post editing with photoshop.
It’s true there are many variables in determining the quality of the final output of an image, but a better original capture will result in a better output. Canon sensors capture significantly less color depth and dynamic range, no amount of post processing can create what isn’t there.
Yes but look at the sheer differences in color depth and dynamic range. A few points might not be noticed but for landscape or high dynamic scenes this is enough to actually see the difference in post.
I wrote it again before: Although I use the best Sony FF sensor w.r.t. DR, the DR is not a single value but is different for different ISO. And beyond ISO1600 the Canon 6D sensor is better than Sony a7(r) sensor and the 6D is used for astrophotography quite often. The a7s is a different product (no equivalent Canon here). At lower ISO, the Sony DR is certainly the best available, but not so at higher ISO for some sensors. Regarding all the excellent pictures seen made with Canon cameras on the web, all cameras are good enough to produce excellent pictures, no need to start a war.
But don’t you wish you Canon had a Sony sensor? Lets face it, Canons current sensors are a generation behind in performance and about to be two generations behind if Canon doesn’t design and manufacture a new generation sensor soon.
I don’t have a Canon (Nikon d810). But friends have the 6d and its low light capability is great. Sony’s sensors are sure great, but Toshiba is no slouch, too, for example. The D7100 is still competing very favourably with the A6000 sensor.
Care to explain how DxO comes up with those scores and what they actually mean in terms of pixel data?
As I’ve said many times in the last 10 years, we’re in an era very much like HiFi got to in the 70’s and 80’s: arbitrary measurements used to promote how good something is or isn’t. The actual picture, pardon the pun, is much more complicated.
A good case in point is the Nikon versus Canon DxO numbers for lenses, for example. DxO’s scores have a bias towards megapixel count, so the same glass on a D810 will trump it on a 5DIII.
Frankly, we’ve been in an era for quite some time where EVERY digital camera being sold is capable of producing excellent images up to what you can print on a desktop inkjet printer (13×19″) and at light levels that far exceed what we were able to do with film. Meanwhile, the lowest common denominator use is being gobbled up by smartphones. This is entirely analogous to what happened to HiFi. Early digital CDs and later MP3 files were not nearly as good as analog done right, but it didn’t matter. 90% (or 95% or 99%, you pick a number) of the public voted with their dollars and opted for lowest common denominator for convenience.
We can argue about small differences and nuance in sensors if you want. But it’s becoming more and more an esoteric argument without real meaning in the marketplace.
The argument is not about small differences; even one stop difference is significant considering the logarithmic nature of light. Two or more stops is a huge difference.
But lets be honnest, are the differences one stop? Most differnces are far less. And when printed at a large format differences are mostly not seen by 99.9% of the viewers…
When it comes to low ISO dynamic range differences, Canon is more like 2-3 stops behind. That is quite noticeable in real world photo work (obviously only for the scenes that require a lot of dynamic range though, tons don’t, of course it’s super easy to find a great many that would as well).
You must be a Canon or M43 user.
The overall number is there for the ignorant masses
Gynotypewriter, please stop with the self deprecating humor. Your smart enough, your good enough and people like you. Keep repeating that phrase.
And you should lay off the drugs
Wrong, I’m all in SONY camper.
For example, DXOMark score puts best SONY ZEISS primes well behind CN stuff just because the way they calculate overall score. It is so pointless to compare lenses based just on resolution at widest apeture.
Who cares which sensors are the best? For a long time now all cameras have sensors which are more than enough for almost all, but the most demanding photographers’ needs. If the only reason people buy camera from that or another manufacturer was technical superiority, than probably Sony could be number 1 or 2 camera seller now. But, the truth is there are many many reasons which people consider beyond that, eg.:
– can I buy all the lens I need for my camera?
– can I borrow the lens or other accessories from my friends or coworkers?
– is there a lens rental shop nearby which offers me the lens I need?
– if my camera breaks during important event, will there be support on-site, will they lend me the camera during the repairs?
– is the camera full-featured or did the manufacturer cripple it in some incomprehensible way for no good reason?
– how good is the ergonomy?
– is it weather-sealed and dustproof, or does it have “some sealing” while battery compartment is unprotected?
– how good is the battery life?
– does the manufacturer provide confidence in the system’s future?
– does the manufacturer listen to the customers’ needs?
– does the manufacturer provide frequent firmware updates to well-known issues?
– does the manufacturer’s history give the confidence about the product?
– will my friends at photography school/workshops/event laugh at me when I buy this camera?
– …
Now, the problem is the Canon scores much higher in most of these categories than Sony, because it was on this market for very long time and had opportunity to address these questions. So, they will probably hold their position as number 1 camera manufacturer for quite some time and can sleep safely unless Sony does something to convince people that choosing their product will not put them at risk. Currently, choosing Canon is less risky, so they are safe to talk any bullshit they like. And btw: Canon sensors at high ISO outperform most of the comparable Sony ones, so there is a bit of truth in what they said. Just look at the detailed dxo measurements, not on the final score.
i like turtles
I like dinosaurs. Thats why I still use my a900. At low ISO it still beats the 5D MkIII
Seeing as this website has nothing but biased information and criticism for other camera brands and the fact that all Sony seem to only be concentrating on is MIRRORLESS…i am actually going to follow Mirrorless Rumors from now on…
At least i don’t have to read these ridiculous and sensationalist articles that are written by an immature imbecile desperately trying to get people to his website by any means necessary…
Join me on Mirrorless Rumors!!
Will do. I agree 100%, and have commented about this several times. Instead of posting
links, videos, concepts, etc that will improve readers photography like many
other rumor sites, we are instead tread to juvenile articles that cause fanboy
wars. Trust me admin, your readers could certainly use all the help they can
get when it comes to improving photography, as I’ve seen high school kids work
that blows away the veteran techies here that spit vile trash around. Every
time I come here to read about some new Sony gear, I instead read hostile
comments, advertisements for Ebay sellers and websites with horrible reviews,
and trash talk by admin. Let the flames begin!!
Stop being such a sensitive idiot. The fact that Canon actually thinks their sensors are the best is worth posting and discussing because it shows how out of touch with reality they are. Go buy some midol and go whine about the rising cost of tampons on your usual forum
Canon sensors still suck, get over it.
I love all these discussions. It’s like sports factions… football, baseball, soccer. Which team is the better one? 😉 😀
DXOMark aside, we were Canon loyalists from the film era until we did a 5D Mark III vs D810 side-by-side comparison, and while the Nikon infrastructure has some serious weaknesses, the D810’s IQ is so vastly superior that it makes you never want to take another picture with a Canon.
It would have been wise for Canon to adopt the Sony sensor for use in the 5DM3, which is a great camera/camera system. Nikon in all likelihood would have preferred to use an in house sensor but the difference in image quality was so significant they couldn’t resist. It was a smart move, the D800 series is notable for it’s outstanding image quality.
But you still shoot with the Canon due to Nikon’s lackluster 70-200 2.8 correct? I’m wondering if you’ve changed your mind or have found a better third party option.
The Nikon lens on the D810 would easily out resolve the Canon lens on the 5DMark3.
This is no longer relevant, as we can now have Nikon shooters using Canon lenses on Sony cameras. And the world is saved.
No, it is. Tony did a video awhile ago talking about some of the shortcomings of the 70-200mm 2.8 for Nikon especially wide open at the longer end. We’re talking about using a Nikon camera here as in the D810- not a Sony.
nothing new here…..these marketing managers are trained to mindlessly praise their own brand only…..do you realistically think he will say that Sony makes better sensors, hell no! be realistic here, you know their answers will be biased…… let’s move on
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D810 or A7R for the win. Never again Canon, your now dated, but thanks for playing!
The guys at Canon are smoking some really powerful stuff!
I wander where we can get some as well?
In fairness to the Canon CEO, he is simply answering in a very diplomatic way in the way he pretty much has to.
What did you expect him to say: Yes, our sensors lag behind, we are complacent, we move too slowly, we want to save on costs, etc…he really can’t say any of those things.
He has to represent his company in the best light possible in public…now behind the scenes, he certainly should face reality and make some changes…so just asking the question may do some good.
Not just megapixels, also the science of color, from personal experience with the latest camera sensors (buy the 70 d and the a6000) I like the color and contrast of the canon photo and video, but in iso and the sony video codecs is better… I’m not a fanboy of anyone, it is my personal experience.
Since Minolta times Sony colors are better. Check metamerism score at DxO.
I disagree. I started with Minolta and merged to Sony and then moved to Canon. Minolta and Sony have a more green tint to their images, especially on skin tones. In reality though this matters less nowadays because of what can be done with color balance and split toning in post processing.
Its not about the accuracy of the color reproduction as such, thats a matter of calibration.
The important part is the ability to differentiate two closely related colors. Do you get a smooth gradient, or is there banding or posterization because the sensor can’t resolve the tones in between?
Now we don’t have RGB sensors, so color has to come from the demosaicing. The finer nuances are in the lower bits. And, well, because its easiest to make them visible by lifting shadows you have a vocal group that claims that one should just expose properly so you don’t have to lift them and everything is fine. Yet the effects on color are there at any exposure level, it’s not that unrealistic to ask say for light blues in a sky after all.
Dark skin tones are not flattering on Sony cameras jpeg output unless you shoot RAW all the time and post process. That just adds work. Canon and Nikon get the true colors right out of the box.
True, they often do. Color response is a highly nonlinear thing and sensors are tuned to a standard light. Under normal lighting there is no tint and Sony colors are more pleasing, to my liking. Minolta have always been particularly accurate with color transmission in their lenses (and I suppose cameras too) even at the expense of contrast and flare, people say.
Canon clearly has the best colors and the market, although Olympus ain’t bad. I’d put Panasonic and Nikon next. Sony is way behind. If I’m shooting in good conditions, I’d pick a Canon sensor+processing pipeline. In bad conditions? Sony.
“While every test from DxOmark shouldn’t be taken as a holy grail or as an absolute truth…”
Right – whenever they negatively review a Sony lens or sensor, they are not to be trusted.
Keep dreaming admin.
Sony rocks!!!!
The Canon bodies have some great features like pro AF, sturdy bodies, features, etc but the Picture / IQ is nowhere as good as bodies (Nikon / Sony) using Sony Sensors. One comparision is the 5d MK 3 (great camera) vs D600 / D610 in terms of image quality, DR & IQ, although I wouldn’t say no to a Canon 5D or 1D-X, etc.
You just made Canon’s point. You basically said that the Canon cameras are definitely good enough for you.
There are differences in the sensors, but a camera system is more than a sensor. Also, as others have noted, including Thom Hogan, how much of a difference can one really see in practical work? Sure, you can pixel peep, and there are all sorts of artificial tests to prove the point. But the bottom line is this: I look at photos taken by both Nikon and Canon professional users, and they are all great. You don’t look at the work from Canon shooters and say that’s not good enough.
Canon’s best sensor is that 28mp? wait…no Canon’s best sensor is that 36mp? wait..no…Canon’s best sensor is that 40mpish..wait no…Canon’s best sensor is that 50mpish..wait no…oh my bad..canon still makes cameras like it is 2008…
Camera body needs lenses, which are big investment. Canon/Nikon don’t change much because their established business models and has large owner bases.
FE mount is new and Sony makes changes frequently that tend to disrupt it’s own business more than other brands.
Also, in terms of sensors…. Sony is pulling a Samsung here. Canon IQ delivers more consistently than Sony. I have both and that is my experience over the last 5 years.
Yes camera bodies need lenses, and yes those things are big investments. But you could change a lot on your camera without change the mount. Canon could change its sensor and make it 24 or 36 MP without changing its mount (NIkon did, so it is possible) But Canon did not. Then Canon could have made a new EOS-M camera (let’s neame it the M3) and give it fast AF, like in the Canon 7D, they could have added a few nice features and maybe some extra lenses, without changing the mount. Maybe they could even put in a FF sensor and make it an exiting camera. Maybe they could add an EVF, maybe they could add some other things, they don’t need to change the mount, but did they do that? No! Now they are talking about a new mount…
Then look at Sony, they started in the mirrorless bussines 4 years ago. Their first camera was nice, not stellar, just nice. It looked great and small (the smallest interchangeable lens camera at that time). And it had some great features. Was it perfect? No! it focussed not that fast, it had hardly any lens and there was no EVF. But what did Sony do? They came with new cameras with more features, with more lenses and you know what? They did not change the mount at all. All the new lenses can be used on the first Nex 3 or 5 camera! And then they came with a Full Frame camera, did they changed the mount? No not at all. You can still use the lenses from the first Nex 3 and 5, without any problem (yes they are in crop mode, but they can be usedd and you can use all the new FE lenses on the old Nex 5 too!
So Canon could go the same way, use the same mount with better sensors but no they are talking about a new mount and tell everyone that they are serious about mirrorless, again….
previous,sony had film history and do anythings likes samsung today,
i think they had long long time to learn,try,plan and more but i saw sony do everthings likes they make toys for many products,why ?
Guess what admin? It means NOTHING if Sony keeps driving away customers like they’re doing with the great fiasco at Photokina with no mention at all of new A-mount equipment. Sony could have the best sensor manufacturing of the market, but Canon and Nikon are still dominating the global market.
A camera system isn’t made just by a sensor only. You need a good lens, a good price, good global support, good accesories, and 3rd party manufacturers support.
Sony got the great chance to do something good. But financial reports, closing of manufacturing plants, bad decision making and bad marketing is driving away potential customers. Sony got the base necessary to make them the greatest camera manufacturer, but no, that is not going to happen.
Canon may be making thier big high resolution sensor anouncement in October….then maybe they will make the best sensors.
… or maybe not
camera is a complex parts whole electronic,mechanic and software,
that make canonikon was most successful in camera market (not make best for sensor) and far better for professional ,sony want to sell best sensor but canonikon sell very best cameras(past,today or tomorrow sony cannot compete to canon)
Man, Canon fanboys are a desparate bunch!
Look back at the title at the top and than go back to the comments. We are not discussing which camera is better, but that Canon executives insist their sensors are better than Sony which is obviously wrong.
okay boy,i know
Or maybe Sony beets them with one of their new sensors and Canon is again number 2…
It is silly to talk about a hypothetical sensor, it is about what is now on the market.
Personaly I think thre differences are that small that, when printed (very) large you still will not see any real differences betwee the systems (when using the same lens and pictures taken at te same moment of the same subject, from the same angle.
This is a RUMOR site…if you think it is silly to talk about hypothetical sensors why are you here.
As for the differrence a higher res sensor makes they are huge inless you just look at your pictures on a tv screen.
If you ask what is currently the best sensor, then the answer would have to be from what is out there in the market.
Not some hypotetical what if.
How is this any different than Sonys guy saying that a mount and e mount are “fully compatible with one another”. So a company exec lied to make his products sound good and to sell more of them. That’s a real shocker.
I’ve always liked Sony stuff and still do. But if anyone here thinks that it’s their canon sensor holding them back photographically, you’re deluding yourself. Cameras have been good enough for anything for a long time now.
Nice joke 🙂 is it fool day today?)))
DxOMark is unreliable, puts sony in second place only because they have the same sensor as the nikon, and obviously could not give a lower score to a camera with the same sensor.
DxOMark is completely dominated the market …why they never reviewed the fuji sensors?
fuji had different sensor for dxomark,
i saw canon boy talk nonsense about dxomark may sony pay to dxo lab test ha ha ha.
i think this weakness image sensor test(benchmark) why no one create others sensor benchmark compete to DXO.
I think he’s talking about the dynamic range at higher ISO’s where I understand the 5DIII’s lurch ahead of their nikon/sony counterparts
If you leave DxOMark planet and land back to earth, you’ll see that in real life the difference is very very little, and after ISO400 Canon 6D and 5DMarkIII are as good as or better than Sony sensors.
I don’t like my Nex5T’s shadows at high ISO’s, the shadows get darker faster than my EOS-M. I felt the same when I had 550D and Nex-5n. And Canon sensors retain better colors at high ISO’s (in LR 5 and ACR 8.4). The only advantage of Sony’s sensors that I can see is at ISO100 and 200, and even that difference is not worth talking about.
My evaluation is, Sony and Canon sensors have same overall capabilities. One is better in one condition, the other is better in another.
That’s not my experience, when I compare photos from my NEX-7 with my friend’s Canon 60D it’s very clear how much my Sony trounces his Canon.
Ertan said 6D not 60D
Yes I know but be said there is not much between Sony & Canon sensors (even in the low ISOs) I was replying to that with my experience of Sony vs Canon sensors in the same size category (APS-C)
DXO doesn’t actually test each camera sensor and lens combination as they lead people to believe. The measurements are calculations and extrapolations. What they call ‘ashumptions made on ashumptions’. This is no basis to make a decision on.
Canon always scores 20 points lower
Sony A99 is good, but Canon 5D MK1 raw is better.