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This is the first image of the new Sony E-mount FS 4K camcorder. It will be announced soon! I have been told it has the same resolution, sensor size and codec as the [shoplink 28410 ebay]$30k F55 camera[/shoplink]. I don’t know if that will please current F55 owners…because the FS700II costs only one-third. But that’s how technology goes…
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Looks huge, Sony needs a FS100 replacement. The FS700 can wait, it just got a external 4k upgrade not too long ago.
Admin When we enter the post the face of the guy you remove is still there on the photo
Yes, because I now found the source of the leaked image and it’s that chinese site. They posted the pic with the face so it makes no sense anymore to hide it 🙁
OK thought you hide it because it come from one of your source.
It doesn’t matter if his face is visible or not on the other side. A mistake can not be excused with the statement that others are doing the same mistake. Just blur his face, makes a more professional appearance anyways!
My god this looks too big. It’s like an A7s glued to one of those 4K recorders. Get your act together Sony. Does it have a capacitive touchscreen at least?
Not that huge. Judging by the ruler on the plate of the tripod it’s length is between 18 and 20cm. If your are not familiar with centimeters an alpha7 is 12cm long.
Also remember this a pro video camera for production set, it will be rigged anyway so it doesn’t need to be compact but it need a lot of control knobs and connectors and space to dissipate the heat since it will record 4K in XAVC the pro version of the codec.
why? this is a proper cinema camera and the dimension is not larger or a little bit larger than the current fs700, but with better ergonomic….
waiting for A-mount comments…
So no replacement for the FS100??? I was expecting them to replace it, not the FS700…
The A7S was the FS100 replacement. When the A7S launched, the FS100 simultaneously dropped in price from $5K to $2500.
It has the same sensor SIZE, not the same sensor.
am i the only one think this is not fs700 replacement?
my reason:
1)fs100 replacement should come 1st
2)fs700 upgrade to 4k just not long ago and few new packages also just released too, sony wont kill their own product especiall pro line that fast.
3) the design is way too different and much more bulky, i think it is totally different name and maybe it is more pro version of nex camcorder.
its not a FS100 replacement thats for sure, which should be a lot more compact and geared toward indie productions. This is clearly designed for a large production.
yea im not saying it is fs100, but fs100 should come earlier than fs700. i think this is just for different type of use, broadcast?
This looks like a C300 competitor so its targeted toward broadcast
but so much bigger than c300, this will not be idea for handheld shooting, big, tall and heavy? but broadcast, tripod work with f55 spec built in YES, understand it need that big to work.
I think you’re right. The FS700 was not in the xdcam line, but this one says xdccm. Perhaps they are ending the FS line or this is a “new” model, a 35mm version of the PMW-200.
Interesting… this *does* look a little more “pro” than the FS series – seperate EVF instead of on-board LCD; and what looks like rear mounted battery (i.e. V-lock or Anton Bauer style).
I honestly don’t believe this is supposed to replace the fs700. Looks like a more professional beast 2 XQD card slots and XAVC heavier codec instead of XAVC-S, it’s even got shoulder pad. To me it looks like an F5’s little brother.
I’m with you on this. Unless Sony doesn’t plan to offer proper “mark 2s” of the FS series and then will be the new route moving forward.
Here is the Google Translation of the caption in Chinese:
“Machine 4k xavc, 180fps unlimited duration , x square card, support sony raw, native e bayonet , the new servo design , the new evf, s-log3. Reportedly very affordable price !”
“x square card” I think means “XQD card”.
best info yet!
wow! this is awesome!
As a FS700 owner, I can tell you with certainty that the FS700 “4K” is a marketing ploy, and little more. Once you’ve obtained the necessary 3.01 firmware (additional cost on older units), you either need Sony’s huge “iron lung” backpack, which costs about as much as the FS700 itself, or you need the Odessy 7Q with the Sony software option, and a couple of their proprietary SSD modules, which none the less will set you back $5-6K USD, and adds several pounds of bulk to the camera. Hardly what I’d call a well engineered solution.
So it makes a lot of sense that Sony would like to improve on this situation. After all, they’ve never been shy about releasing products that obsolete recently released products in the past (a5100 records xavc-s 50mbps while the “better” a6000 does not for example), meanwhile the FS700 is over 2 years old now, and begging to be replaced by a camera capable of 4K recording internally.
This could easily be a FS-700 replacement. Just as the FS700 bettered and replaced the FS100 in almost every respect except perhaps super low light performance… it’s just that Sony didn’t want to come right out and say that at the time.
Price… Price… only problem… This electronic items will cost less than 1000$ that it’s the real value honest
And the R&D and tooling, engineers etc all cost nothing? Learn how business and manufacturing work.
Repeat this real value is less than 1000$. For many many people this items remain only a dream product. And sony will not gain…
I’m sorry you can’t afford it. Perhaps you should rent it when you need it?
And destroying current market price and without any pro support from Sony…..
mirrorlessrumors stated: ”
A part of those two new cameras Sony/Zeiss will announce plenty of E-mount lenses at Photokina:
16-5mm f/2.0 Zeiss
28-135mm powerzoom
85mm FE prime Zeiss (available 2015)
35mm f/2.0 Loxia
50mm f/2.0 Loxia”
@SAR_Admin:disqus
Is it true? and the first one is a typo he means the uww ze zoom lens 16-35 f4??? or a new pro kit lens for e mount apsc only 16-50 f2???
The Loxia lenses are NOT part of Sony’s roadmap. There is also a Macro and another undisclosed lens coming.
Definitely supposed to be a macro coming. They might even do something innovative and not stiff us with another 50mm macro…
Surely a typo by Ale. Sent him that now.
Any word on the potential price?
“This is the first image of the new Sony E-mount FS700II 4K camcorder. It
will be announced soon! I have been told it has the same resolution,
sensor size and codec as the $30k F55 camera. I don’t know if that will please current F55 owners…because the FS700II costs only one-third. But that’s how technology goes…”
Don’t worry admin, Sony will figure how to cripple it somehow :). Just look at the F5 code change which allows F5 to shot 4K internally. Sony is the leader in functions cripple by firmware code. I bet A7s is also capable of internal 4K recording but it has a itzi biti tiny code there wich prevents that :).
a7s can record 4k internally which sony test themselves before, but it end up overheat too fast so they disable it. So someone can hack it to record internally but overheat problem wont solve unless totally modify install a cooling system inside =P
What a lame excuse, 4K is already there, actually is 5K, because the whole sensor is read out even in full HD. The only thing that overheats are our pockets from the need to buy an expensive external recorder.
Yes, good to know you are an expert on the situation… considering the sensor isn’t 5K wide I suggest those that ‘listen’ to these ‘internet experts’ take with a grain of salt.
Just continue defending Sony and buy all the incomplete products they release or buy at exorbitant prices the same cameras with different line codes.
This is the way to go ;)!
Yes, you are entitled to things you never paid for. Defending? I hardly think pointing out the factual errors in your claims is ‘defending’, just pointing out how much of an idiot you are really.
Check you language please, insulting me only shows your lack of character really :).
Probably.
A7s simply overheats when recording 4K externally. I can’t imagine internally. It’s a physical limitation due to the small body and lack of cooling.
Heck! It even gets really hot when recording 1080p internally!
A7S overheats when recording 4K externally? Really?
It gets rather hot (like 1080p internally), not really overheating.
….Classic!
lame excuse? you only count in the read out but no count in the process power for image size frame rate etc. Then why dont all camera do high fps? pls go study before talk.
Not all the cameras do high fps because of sensor design and processor, but my feeling is that A7s has all capable components for 4K internal recording, the limiting factor being only the software. I have a feeling someone will hack it in the end :).
yeah right, and in a z2 phone it doesn’t cause overheating 😀
*sigh*
Funny you should mention that http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/xperia-z2-problems/#!bOlial
Interesting. Thanks for the link.
Is that the same issue that prevented them from allowing 10bit output, even in HD?
Of course it is! LOL
wut, electronic manufacturer companies do this kind of thing all the time, not only Sony.
But Canon does the same. THE SAME 4K sensor that is in the $25,000 Canon C500 is found in it’s $5,000 Canon C100, so stop with your biased comments.
Shame on them too, what can I say…:)
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It does not look like a Canon “killer” at all.
Does it look like a troll killer?
A rectangle is a better shape for a video camera than a square box.
I am ready t step up from DSLRs to one of these video cameras.. I have been leaning heavily towards the C100 but was interested in what SONY might announce.. I will still wait to see what happens but the C100 even with its flaws (viewfinder and codec) seem to be the better choice (for me at least)..
The specs sounds pretty fantastic, but I was really looking forward to see the new SNY camera when SAR mentioned that SONY had taken ideas from the C100/300 form factor (which IMO is MUCH better than the FS100/700 form factor… Unless this is in the price range of the C100… But I doubt it, if its an FS700 replacement I dont know how it can be cnsidered a C100 killer… Yes it has better specs, so does the F55 and C500….. But they arent exactly in the same price range, I doubt this will be too.
I suspect this is replacing the FS100 and FS700.
Cameras that are as amazing as the Panasonic GH4 and the Sony A7s provide a compelling reason to stay with DLSR/MILCs for a little while longer.
Just made the purchase, you will not be dissapointed. The autofocus upgrade really is an amazing feature to have! Also do not go by the results you find online as a good example of c100 picture quality(guessing a lot of bad videographers upgraded to c100 which explains why there is so much awful material) this camera is capable of beautiful imagery
I hope they put same global shutter sensor !!! please !
You’re in for some disappointment.
Yep, that’ll be saved for the next F5/F55… No way an FS700 replacement will get a global shutter, unfortunately.
Well, now that the Sony F5 has a hack to shoot 4K. It is even less of a surprise to see their next one will have 4K too.
If only their FS100 worked with the Sony E PZ 18-105mm f/4 it would be a much better ENG camera. Hopefully this one will.
Pretty sure it will. Sony has announced a coming firmware upgrade to make the FS700 compatible with the 18-105 as well.
I thought that firmware update was already out? Thus why it is odd it isn’t available for the FS100.
Nope, not out yet.
I think the way it works is that it need extra pixels to work with. FS100 doesn’t have so many pixels…
Huh?? It doesn’t need even more for the Sony E PZ 18-105mm f/4 to be able to shoot in 1080. It has all that it needs in terms of hardware, just needs the firmware update now.
This is going to sound weird, but isn’t it convenient that internal 4K was found on the F5/F55 a week ago? A few weeks before this $10,000 (guess) camera (possibly) undercuts them both? So what do we give the grumbling F5/F55 buyers? Internal 4K. Just a thought, and Sony just got how much publicity/articles written about it? Just a thought.
No, It doesn’t sound weird. I thought the same thing yesterday. It makes perfect sense that this was not a coincidence.
I mean it’s smart to be honest. They want to keep their early investors happy, but still put pressure on Canon, Red, and BlackMagic.
Poor ethics again from the big corporates…..
Improving an existing product is poor ethics? That’s an odd interpretation. Even without 4K ability the F5/F55 cameras were, are and will continue to be superior to the fs700/fs700-2.
Yup, the greed is good motto driving the force….
That’s a non-answer.
That. Is. Enormous.
Maybe it’s just the angle. It looks shorter than the fs700, but a bit taller. the weight is more concentrated. And a sensibly placed EVF. So far looks much better than the 700 ergonomically.
Compared to stills camera, yes. Compared to a cinema or broadcast camera, no.
I personally think this will replace both the FS700 and FS100, and be priced in between them at ~$5000, thus making it a C300/C100 killer if I’m going by what Andrea’s source believes. A more plausible option is that it will replace the FS700.
If this really is a little F5 with internal (non hack) 4K recording there has to be SOMETHING to make the F5 not totally worthless. Luckily, it’s not ND Filters. From the crop of the photo that looks like built in NDs/digital NDs
F5 offers RAW output and features the FZ / PL mount, which are two features appealing to filmmakers.
Very true, and it also looks like this new camera won’t have the same robust build quality as the F5. So that’s a deterrent as well for some.
Unfortunately, I haven’t handled an F5/F55 camera but it looks like a tank.
This will be more than $5,000.
This will be around $10,000 is my guess… Less than the C300.
The good news is that there’s a S&Q button so it must do overcranking like the FS700. Bad news is if you already have an O7Q that will have 4K ProRes soon then why switch? You’ll need a monitor for this anyway and the sensor in the FS700 is already the same as the F5/F55.
Dynamic range of the F5/55 sensors are in the 14-stops range..the fs700 is around 12stops. Not the same sensor..although seemingly the same pixels. Plus F55’s a global shutter cmos.
this looks like it could be used as is, without a rig, on a shoulder. i’d take that over many other things.
If this is affordable, it potentially looks awesome! Saving pennies already!
I’m guessing you’re definition of affordable is unrealistic. The Sony F5 is $16,500. Even the FS700 is $8,700. This will be an expensive camera.
Good point! I guess I should have quantified “affordable”… I mean the same price the FS700 is now… Or preferably cheaper 😉
It says XDCAM there. FS series used to be NXCAM so this could be a different category. Anyways, If this has full frame sensor, internal 4K and external RAW compatible with O7Q then this is going be a BIG hit.
It kinda looks like it has a battery plate for V-mounts etc. on it’s back… that would be great…
My bet is that the plate is to mount the R5 RAW recorder.
That was my first guess as well…but that would totally ruin the ergonomics and the weight distribution…I guess
Please Sony, let the R5 die. KILLLL ITTTTT.
Well, yes and no.
Go with an hardware adapter to record 4K RAW with the FS700 on the R5 was indeed a bad idea.
But the R5 is perfect for the F5 and F55 so no reasons to hate so much.
I just hate the added weight.
Sony’s solution was sure back heavy and cumbersome and… ugly.
it weight so little!! go to the gym!
I prefer A7S sensor with global shutter rather than F55 sensor.
You do realize the A7S sensor has rolling shutter?
I do realized that so I said, “with global shutter”.
Don’t tell me, monitor would cost $5000 just like F55 OLED monitor.
This camera seems to be aimed at the broadcast style shooters. The FS-700 couldn’t be a broadcast style camera (without many add-ons). I hope Sony is not calling this camera the FS-700 Mk2. This should at least be called the FS-900 for it’s totally redone ergonomics.
I like
-button placement
-possible V-brick battery mount
-180fps unlimited duration (rumored)
-internal 4k
-EVF!
The f55 has a global shutter, cropping features, and more that make it an amazing camera. The F55 is basically a poor man’s version of the best Digital cinema camera today (F65).
Now the real question is how much will Sony drop the price on the F55, its nice but not worth the money any more. Meanwhile the F5 just became obsolete if rumors are true.
Hopefully they slash the price of the fs700 in half
The F55 isn’t a poor man’s anything. It is simply the best digital cinema camera in the world except for the 8K F65.
I would say that this is the F3 killer. has about the same amount of bulk.
Rounded shape makes one think it takes XDCAM optical media…