We just got the price info from Asian sources. The upcoming Olympus OM-D should be priced at around $1.100 in USA or 1.000 Euro in Europe. I think that’s an OK price for a high quality weather sealed body with integrated viewfinder and new sensor (I have been told the sensor is Olympus “tweaked” and designed). That’s around $600 (or 500 Euro) less than the just announced price of the Fuji X PRO 1 (more about that on Fujirumors). And the Fuji isn’t weather sealed 🙂
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Waiting for the first image leak, can’t be too long now.
+1 😉
Really? show me the pictures already!!!! 🙂
please, please, please.
Decent MSRP. That means retail price will probably drop another 100 quickly. But is this body only or with the weather sealed lens? Somehow, I feel it’s the former option.
Should put a bit of a dent in Fuji’s plans :p
Can’t wait for it…
Is this with or without the weather sealed 12-50mm?
I can´t imagine that it´s with the 12-50. Otherwise the OM-D body would be cheaper than the VF-less and not weather sealed E-P3. That´s NONSENSE!!!!!!!!
In fact I´m convinced the OM-D will be more expensive. I could imagine 1150 euros for the body only and 1400 for the OM-D 12-50 kit.
At the moment there´s big gap between the 1700 euro E-5 and the 850 euro P3.
There is a gap, but Olympus doesn’t want to build that which cannot be competitive in its price bracket. $1700 doesn’t make sense for Olympus when one considers the 60D, D7000, and NEX-7.
$1100 makes a lot of sense. It’s still 200 more than E-P3. If they announced that they were finally going to build what I want, prompting me to finally move to micro four thirds from standard four thirds, but the price was not competitive, I would switch systems. I would imagine others who aren’t engaged with a camera system would not choose Olympus if their prices were higher than other manufacturers who had better sensors.
as long as price is equal or near the price of e-p3+vf-2 i’ll buy it
Hopefully it’s just the body, because I don’t want that lens.
Well, if this is the kit price then you can expect the body to sell for less? Or am I missing something?
No, I expect the actual price of the body to be at least as high as the rumored price.
Seems a bit low to me. Will they be able to deliver on sensor, build quality, viewfinder at that price? If so I’m in!
+1.
Isn’t it about the price of a D7000? That one delivers ..
D7000 is not as such a semi-pro camera. It does not have weather sealing or pro body. The Canon 7d is what you might compare it to.
What??? Are you sure you know the D7000? It’s even more pro than a D300s (whatever pro means for you).
It might sound strange, but the D7000 sits below the D300s in Nikon’s lineup. The D7000 is simply a newer camera and thus has some improved features over the D300s.
ps. Don’t shoot the messenger.
@Ragnarok fine, as you wish….
To be clear, the D7000 does in fact have weather sealing and a magnesium alloy body, unlike its predecessor. Not to mention the sensor performance which is in fact (not opinion) clearly above the D300s, and imo any other aps-c for that matter. What you do get with the D300s is more fps and probably ‘even’ stronger body/sealing. The D7000 is semi-pro at minimum, depending on the amount of action one needs to shoot.
Hi P,
The D7000 is indeed weather sealed and made largely from magnesium and not forgetting a bigger better sensor than any in MFT land
It does have weather seals but it is not sealed to the degree of say Pentax K5 or Olympus E5 or the higher models of Nikon. It just has a magnesium top and back plate. Ofcourse the sensor size is bigger, but that was not the topic of discussion right now. It was about how much the semi pro models from each manufacturer cost in general.
None of these cameras are actually weather-proof so it is rather a moot point and the E-5 is a good bit more expensive {$300}.The D7000 is actually a little lighter .And with a sensor that is significantly better than that in the E-5 { regarding DR, high ISO }. It also a better AF system ,larger VF and it is not part of a redundant system.Though personally i like the look of the Pentax.The D7000 is replaces the D90 the Nikon D300S is due an update this year.
Actually, d7000 does have weather seals!
The D7000 has weather sealing, well Nikon’s version. It is a very good DSL, IMO the best of the crop cameras by value for the money. If I was in the market for a DSLR I would likely get it or its soon to be announced successor.
The E-5 is also an excellent DSLR do not underestimate it. I know of someone who recently got two for studio work (I was surprised) to replace FF Cannon, and they are more then pleased with them. They tell me that the imaging quality is much better on the E-5.
I agree if you are shooting at low ISO the E-5 is a great camera with a superb if pricey selection of SHG lenses
But the D7000 is much more bigger and heavier… I want a leightweight and compact cam 🙂
True me too, the point was tho to see how much tech €1K can buy ya. Now if you ask me the D7K is cheap for what you get, and m4/3 is relatively expensive being new tech, but it shows that our expectations can be high.
Depends upon how “new” the new sensor actually is. Last time they said the same about e-p3 sensor-tweaked and designed by Olympus!!! I wouldn’t mind even paying about 1200 Euros if the camera would really have a NEW and BETTER sensor and features, controls and handling in line with the real Semi-Pro cameras like say the Canon 7d or the Pentax K5 or even Olympus E5. Hope its not just another PEN in a fancy dress.
Same here. I don’t mind paying a bit more for a high quality camera with generous use of metal parts etc. But then the sensor has to be good enough so I don’t have to replace the camera after a year or two.
I don’t want any extra metal on it, as it makes it heavier.
And I really don’t understand why a new sensor would necessitate buying a new camera. My E-PL1’s sensor is just as good when I bought, and just because there are several cameras with better sensors than it doesn’t mean I have to go and buy a new one.
It’s either camera envy, or SHINY!
It’s because you already have a camera. I am sure there are a lot of people who want to buy their first camera or upgrade to a pro camera.
I want to upgrade, but metal =! pro. They make frigging guns out of metal, there’s no reason a good plastic body isn’t as “pro” as a metal body. Metal in cameras is mostly for heft and “build quality” to convince people they’re holding a substantial, pro camera.
How many metal cameras have you seen survive this: http://asia.cnet.com/crave/canon-eos-350d-survived-1km-drop-62109605.htm
It’s not the drop which kills but instant deceleration when hitting something hard, and that Canon clearly missed hard spots.
1. Titanium is lighter than plastic for the same strength.
2. Some photographers have to stay competitive.
1. It’s also much much more expensive than plastic.
2. What?
I still see alot of ppl still using digicams from early 2000s! Most ppl will not buy bc they dont knoe howto use or is not that important to us real shooters. I still use nikon d2h for studio shoots cause i know how to tweak images for best reults….shoot with what you have 🙂 until it dies.
I think you can count on a number of things being very similar to most of the latest models which is how they’ve got the various design features refined. Maybe it will be appreciated at least as much as the E5 was when it was actually used & not just criticised on it’s specs alone.
I think there was a comment about the sensor being tweaked (to allow the fast AF perhaps) as the latest PENs have been. I guess we will find out soon.
Price not really matter to me , I’m more interest to know how far the image quality can go . It’s Impossible to expect it on par with X Pro & NEX 7 but at least comparable with them .
As mentioned , I’ll be happy if it can go up to ISO 3200 with clean & clear image under F2.8 , then I can consider it a Pro camera .
I want to see the product before even hearing a price. I don’t find putting the cart before the horse very appealing.
I don’t understand how anyone can answer can the poll, because at this point we don’t know nearly enough to have something resembling an informed opinion.
@The Eye:
“I want to see the product before even hearing a price. I don’t find putting the cart before the horse very appealing.
I don’t understand how anyone can answer can the poll, because at this point we don’t know nearly enough to have something resembling an informed opinion.”
It’s all rumours here, and leaked information. You can’t plan that anyway beyond what Admin is already doing. He just passes on information as he receives it and checks it with trusted sources.
And we do ‘know’ quite a bit already: built-in ‘revolutionary’ EVF, 16MP sensor (a first for Olympus), weather sealing, 12-50mm lens as kit lens, OM branded.
All true, but what sense does a poll make that’s based on almost no info? It does make sense in the way of marketing, though. People pre-order gear that hasn’t even been released. The first thing known to the consumer nowadays is the price and where to order. Seems back asswards to me.
It is just for fun, why take it so seriously
We Germans don’t care for having fun. :p
What kind of price policy is this? 1.100$ are about 800 to 900€. Why I always feel cheated on, living in “Euroland”?
Remember euro prices include VAT, whereas this is always added on top of american prices.
How many percent of buyers purchase from out-of-state vendors and thus skip out on paying sales tax? 😉
Also, sales tax in the US is considerably lower than the VAT in most Eurozone countries.
It’s just not sales tax, but overall taxation and other social costs (ie. social security, pension, welfare, etc.). Also, cost of doing business in EU is higher than in the US. We might also have higher tariffs on imported cameras, although not sure about that.
The markets are indeed very different. Nobody buys more consumer crap than Americans. This type of consumerism is rewarded with lower prices. That this practice is unsustainable is is a different matter.
The eye: This is irrelevant since a european seller is obliged to add the VAT.
Sure, it’s irrelevant (unless you are tourist/buyer), but I thought I should point out that many US buyers avoid sales tax when buying consumer electronics. Of course, you can travel to VAT-free Helgoland (Germany) and buy anything there and pay zero VAT. Not sure if they have a camera store, though.
Is there a concrete question in your complaint? I don’t understand what you mean by “price policy.” There is no official word on price yet. Do you want to know why product prices vary between different markets?
we are always cheated here in the EU..comparing prices to the US they just change the dollar sign to euro
Do you have to pay $26 for a pound of imported Swiss cheese in the EU?
As a matter of fact Yes. and BTW cameras are not made in the US and imported to the EU!!! They are imported to both US as well as EU.
Did I claim cameras were made in the US? My point was regarding the variable price of imported goods, wherever they’re form.
yes
Funny you’d claim that. I pay about 12 Euros for a (metric) pound of Emmentaler in Germany. Where do you buy your cheese? 😉
I buy mine in Australia. 😉
When the E5 was first priced in the US it was $1499 (I think) & Australia was $2199 (includes GST), but thankfully that did come down a little. So you in the EU are not the only ones who feel cheated.
That’s why I buy ALL of my stuff from Hong Kong on ebay! We are getting robbed in Australia. It’s criminal
Well, OZ has special prices for anything. How much is an 0.5 liter Coke in a glass bottle again? I am not in Europe at the moment, by the way (Only when I need cheese).
Yes. And it is not the same thing, as everything is manufactured in Asia and imported to the States + Europe. So the price should vary according to the currency, not being the same set of numbers despite the different currency
See my reply to xmart.
When you buy a product such as a camera in most EU countries the price includes 2 year warranty period demanded by law. In the US you get either 3 or 6 months warranty, if you demand extended 2 year warranty, the price difference between EU and USA would be negligible. Besides in most EU countries you just take the camera to your retailer and its their problem to send it to the service, in the US its your responsibility to wrap it properly and ship it to the manufacturer. So its not that we are robbed, but that our consumer protection laws make some goods more expensive. The price includes a service which some consumers obviously don’t want .
Markets vary. The exchange rate is merely one factor that has an effect on the product of the price. The size of the market matters, as does the type of distribution. The US is a huge market for consumer electronics. Ever hear of economies of scale?
Let’s see:
Probably gripless brick with retro controls and in addition worser DR sensor than GH2.
No sale!
aaaaameeeeen
You mean actual controls, none of that dynamic on-screen crap ?
Sale !
+1 bring it on if indeed OM like. I might buy it as a collector item if the sensor is only even 1MP.
As admin mentioned before, the “tweaking” done by Olympus is only to get the fast AF response. The resolution and DR is still going to be the same as GH2 or G3 (depending on which sensor they used). So i dont think we should expect miracles here.
+1 absolute
that’s good enough for me. price seems reasonable. what i’m waiting for is fast 4/3 lens AF.
Last time we got a tweaked sensor it just meant an improved JPEG engine. meh
Strongly prefer it over Panasonic’s JPEGs tho. So the same well respected sensor tweaked by Olympus sound good to me.
Doesn’t do any good for those of us who shoot RAW, though.
There are more than a few pro photographers that find that Olympus gets as much or more from their jpegs as they can get out of raw. I don’t (yet) have an µ4/3’s camera. I’m looking forward to seeing what Olympus comes up with, and I’m hoping that a) the camera is something I really want and 2) I finally get a job so I can buy one!
Well, considering the G3 and GH2 are quite well discounted now, I’d expect something a lot better for the extra $$$, not just weather-sealed.
I think you will like the camera, it’s not just about being weather sealed. There IS more!
hi admin,
can you give us a rundown of possible specs. just put them as FT2 or FT3 rumors. just to keep things exciting hehe
Soon!
soon is a very relative term 😉
that IS sound like improvement in Image Stabilization
Since there is an emphasis on how good the new 12-50 is for video, one should expect that they have fixed the reported problems of IS with video.
A French photo magazine checked the resolution of the E-P3 and compared it to that of the E-P3 (ca August 2011). According to their lab test, there was a small but noticeable improvement in resolution on the E-P3.
Except that Olympus usually gets a little bit better results from the same sensor as Panasonic (at least it was that way with the 12MP sensor).
Admin, what do the sources mean by tweaked and designed? because in reality they are completely different terms. Tweaked is buying an existing sensor and making minor adjustments acooring to needs. Designed means developing it completely from ground up.
“I have been told the sensor is Olympus «tweaked» and designed”
LOL! Probably like the one from E-P3, which is so much “tweaked” and “designed” as it produces essentially the same DxO Mark result.
But it does produce much quicker AF.
Much quicker? Forget it. The difference is marginally if even exists.
So you actually believe that the E-P3 AF is only marginally quicker than the E-P1?
lol …. sorry…but lol
You are talking about AF yeah? It’s *much* quicker on the current gen Oly bodies…
U obviously haven’t held either of the three pens so do not comment.
Guys, you’ve completely misunderstood mee, sorry for my poor English.
The difference between E-PL3 and GF3 is just marginal, the AF obviously is much faster than the one from E-PL1.
that’s pretty much what I’m expecting here… the Panny G3 16mp sensor but with faster AF for Oly lenses
“tweaked” in Olympus terms means last-generation-sensor.
+1
No vote on this yet!
I remember the Oly bragging/marketing of E5 and E-P3. FF image quality for E5 and NEW sensor for E-P3…..
IF the viewfinder is on par or better than NEX-7, build and usability is there and a step is taken in IQ department similar to the Fuji development of sensor – then and only then price is OK.
When they launched micro 4/3 they all made their nice speech that removing mechanical parts from the mirror and optical viewfinder with tight alignment tolerances for 100% filed coverage would considerably decrease the camera costs…. What a joke 1000 euro later, we can say it certainly increase company margin…
What is this? Olympus (and Panasonic) have several cameras which fill the affordable requirement. So go buy one and don’t complain about them expanding their selection with higher-end cameras.
fixture: +1
Could a possible price increase partially be a result of (1) increased price of parts due to problems in Japan and Thailand, (2) reduced value of the €?
Can you link where Olympus and Panasonic ever made the statement that m4/3 would reduce costs vis-a-vis DSLR??? Only some forum readers ever made those claims.
And, btw, have a look at the entry level price of the E-PM1 vs. the entry level DSLR prices. I do believe it’s lower…
Not to speak of the current price for the E-PL1…
Oops! EDIT: this reply was for fixture.
Savings in production cost and an increase of efficiency is never (fully or at all) passed on to the end user. Instead, the profit margin is increased, or the money sails into the Cayman Islands. See Ferengi Rules of Acquistion, or something…
I hope that Olympus will release it with a decent standard prime lens as all their current lenses would not suit a camera body like this is supposed to become.
+1
Zuiko High grade 25mm f1.2!!
High grade 17mm f1.4. We already have good 25mm (though I admit not weather sealed).
+1 Both of them!!
You can ask for the kit options with these primes but it will (or most likely will) have a kit which includes the new 12-50 weather sealed m4/3’s lens.
This is the same price as the E-P3 with kit lens. So either its just a dressed up E-P3 or there is something really wrong with the pricing.
or the E-P3 is way overpriced 😉
hahaha…very true. I forgot that one!!!!
i think it’s for body only, so we’re basically paying for the EVF instead of the lens
And weather sealing.
I just want to know basic things like the form factor before less important details like many megapixels and what price. Are olympus feeding these rumours on purpose?
Good price if it delivers IMO.
Didn’t they say sensor was tweaked to give better EVF performance? 🙂
don’t get your hopes up with the bs tweaked and design sensor. it’s obviously the same ancient by now 16mp panasonic sensor as that’s the only option olympus got.
sad to have to suffer through old sensor tech in what appears to be a pretty good body.
But the E5 produced nice sharp photos with the same 12.3 sensor (with the lighter AA filter) of earlier models.
Yeah, we’ll see. A viewfinder at every price point used to be the rule way way back in the day. I don’t see why not now. I have a great deal of affection for Panasonic in spite of their quirks, but if this can deliver I just may be sold.
Please , we all now what tweaked means in terms of marketing. It is simply a Bs term not to say that it is the same old sensor , plain and simple
all of this is more of the ” too litle , too late ” that Olympus has been showing in front of competition for the last 1.5 year
Harold
Did you miss yesterday’s news? The new camera will have a 16MP sensor, not the ‘same old’ 12MP. Even if that’s the one used in the G3/GX1, it’s a sensor that’s less than 1 year on the market, so still relatively new. It’s also widely praised in any review of the G3 or GX1.
That is unfair. Why price in Europe is higher than in USA? I’m not sure if OM is a good name.. Propably it will be micro 4/3 camera with m4/3 mount not OM so I wont be able to use OM lenses without an adapter, so what kind of OM is that? (O)lympus (M)arketing? Wheather sealed body would be great but in the similar price there will be Nex7 or a bit more expensive Fuji.. not weather sealed but offering better image quality. I was hoping to see new OM system with bigger sensor and same but digital OM mount..
Europe is always more expensive.
You are right about the NEX7. At this price Olympus will be going head-to-head with the high end Sony. Sure m4/3 has got the edge with lens size and choice, but the price range is new for the system. Sensor performance will have to be a step up.
In Europe the sales tax is always included in the price. In US not: Buy something at and sales tax is added to the listed price. F.i. in New York sales tax is 8% that is added to the price.
Yep, but general price is 1000 Euro and taxes are different in european countries. Also it doesn’t say if the price includes taxes.
If you buy online from an out of state vendor you pay no sales tax in the US. There is no national sales tax. Sales tax is only used to pay for state and local government. Back when the internet was new a national law was passed to ban collecting sales tax on online purchases unless the store has a physical presence in that state. The idea was that we needed to encourage people to start using the new fangled internet. While internet commerce no longer needs any help to compete changing this law will require changing the federal law, which is never easy.
The brick and mortar stores have always complained about this but did not have the national clout to change the law. Now that so many states are in bad shape because of declining sales tax revenues due to the recession many of them are pressing for changes to allow them to collect the sales tax. Even if they do I am going to continue to buy online from B&H due to their integrity, selection and competitive prices. Not paying sales tax is just a bonus benefit for me.
If you are so ignorant that you have not noticed before that *everything* tend to be more expensive in EU than in the USA, then welcome to reality. If you are *not* ignorant and actually knew this, why bring it up here? Bring it up in an election or something.
OM not a good name because your old OM lenses won’t fit? As if the PEN could use the PEN F lenses… (most PENs from 1959 of were fixed lens cameras).
Dude, you sound like a total douchebag… get a life and rant at some kinds on your lawn or something…
@ProShooter: You mean like ranting and suggesting ignorance? Or ranting and suggesting someone else is a douchebag? :-).
Maybe I made my point too strongly; if so, I apologize to the victim. But still: why on earth blame Olympus for a general price difference in the USA and EU? Or wasn’t it meant as a criticism of Olympus? It looks like a criticism of Oly in the context it is given.
I enjoy to read both negative and positive comments about any camera; that is a great way to learn and form ones own opinion. Examples: wishlists, discussions on relative importance of features, technical clarifications, etc, etc. I even enjoy reading statements like: “if there is no FF, I won’t buy it” (although in my view FF has never been a realistic option).
What I don’t like to read is all this whining, and I don’t think it is arrogant to say so. Is it whining to complain that the OM-D won’t accept OM lenses natively? The first rumors made it clear that it would be an m43 compatible camera. Only later did the OM name come up. How can this lead to a hope for a native OM mount? Ok, this hope is not whining. But complaining that Olympus should not call the camera OM without native OM mount, is whining in my view.
Should the new OM-D (thank god no ‘X’ in the name) feature a working C-AF, live pictures at higher FPS rates and improved AF performance with the FT lenses I’ll buy it anyway. And an IS on the level of the one of E-3/E-30/E-5 would even increase the camera’s attractiveness.
If not…? Well, than we have to wait and see as I’m rather happy with my E-5 and my E-PL3. And without the features mentioned by me above, the OM won’t have what it takes to replace my E-5.
Nonetheless, gear lust might be striking again. 😉 And as I love the IQ of my current FT/µFT Olys and don’t expect the OM to be worse in this area, the sensor – what ever it will be – definitely won’t be a deal breaker for me.
Give Olympus camera design team some credits; when the word “Pro” stamped on the past E-x bodies, they were well built and aesthetically pleasing. OM-D will have many new features over the E-5, $1100 for the body is bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFx-xhKjpu4&feature=related
😉
But I’m glad too that there is no X in the name…
i’d buy a 4/3 camera for that amount of cash, not an m4/3 cam
Why?! It is the same sized sensor!!
Smaller sized camera does not mean worse off performance!
PDAF lenses dont work well on CDAF systems.
OK. Olympus could make a Sony LA-EA2 type mirror/pellicle adapter to use the 4/3rds lenses (with PDAF) on the m4/3rds.
I think that PEN series are expensive… E-P3 is priced around 800-900€ with the standard zoom, so for about 100 or 200€ you have a better sensor, better body (weather sealed!) and a viewfinder… Deal! Can’t wait to see the final OM-D design.
PEN series should reduce the price E-P3 around 600€… like Panasonic GX1.
Fair price for the likes of the EPs and the GFs/GXs are in the range of 300-500€. The prices for the like of GH-2s and the G3s is fair but the battery prices have to come down to 1/3rd or less of the MSRP.
For G3 you can buy exactly the same battery, but without Panasonic text for 20% of price. (From Germany)
For my G3 and GX1 I purchased the Wasabi Replacement Battery Kit with: 2 batteries, wall charger, car charger and euro converter for about half the price of ONE Panasonic battery. Also: the Wasabi batteries 7.2V but have 1500 mAh compared to the Panasonic’s 1010 mAh….so the Wasabi batteries last longer …which is important because the G3 is a battery eater.
oh..all battery info shows in VF with the Wasabi batteries…so I guess this is not a chip ladened battery.
Seems like they can never win. People go on and on and on about having a ‘pro’ m4/3 camera, this could be it and then it’s too expensive!?! It’s a couple of hundred more at most than the E-P3 body only + VF-2. That’s a reasonable step up in price.
You know, for some people complaining is as important as breathing. Even if this new Olympus had picture quality on par with Nikon D4 and the price was 500$ they would still find something else to whine about.
+1
+ 2
+3
-3 you always have the DOF penalty, on 43 it’s basically pointless if you shoot at F4 or F16 all looks the same… i have an iphone if i want that… very limited imo
and no i don’t want a tele lens, nor step close for macro mode
Wow, could you have proven the point about always finding something to complain about in any better way than this???
When I started reading this comment I thought he was joking, but then I realised he was probably serious – awesome!
You don’t know what you are talking about. Your statement is a load of bullcrap. With my E-3 and 150/2.0 I can paperthin DOF. As I mostly take pictures of different animals I want as much DOF as I can get. So if you don’t like 4/3 what the phuck are you doing here. Doesn’t the CaNikon boys let you play?
so you have +2k lens where you need to step 500m back to get the subject, and you hav a +2k lens, which gives you F2 and F2.8 to play with dof, i imagine you’re doing also macro with this lens
Silly, the 43 sensor size has a much more useful depth of field then a “FF” size. At times there is a need for a shallower depth of field, but more often a thicker one. If a shallow depth of field. for a shoot, is needed I would use a medium format camera.
Yep, with my EX-25. Almost no DOF at all, so it isn’t easy.
DOF penalty? As mentioned in another thread, I took a portrait of a friend with the 45/1.8 at 1.8. The eyes are pin sharp, but the cheeks, nose and side of the face are out of focus! I need to retake the picture and step down to … eh… f/4 or something. Ok, I know there are cases when you really want a limited DOF. Why not buy the Rodenstock 50(?)/0.75 for m43? The DOF is so small it is almost negative :-).
yes dof penalty you read right,so your great 45 1.8 lens (btw: first sub F2 lens of oly in a looooong time… what an achievement!!)
it’s a 90 f3.6 in FF land, so basically a kit lens, or even budget sub 80$ film lens performance, also FF at 3.6 will be sharper than your oly wide open, thanks!
your rodenstock would be a 100 f1.5 not bad, but probably softer than a lomo toy lens
nice for video, maybe, but I guess even for video it’s too long, the crop x2 just kills it…
Can’t still understand what you are doing here and why you are so worked up. No one is forcing you to buy 4/3 equipment, so go back to FF land and stay there or are you emplyed by CaNikon to do viral marketing?
Ralentizeur: it may be 90/3.6 in terms of DOF. I’m not an expert. But do you mean it is also 3.6 wrt light opening/abilities to shoot in low light conditions? If it is still 1.8 in this respect, your formula of doubling the aperture number misses out on a key property: DOF isn’t the only important quality, and my example indicates that in a key application such as portraits, I actually have to step down considerably.
So you need a narrow DOF — you should thus forget m43 and go for Nikon 3/4 or Nikon 700/800, or Canon 5D — or rather medium format. Of course, I assume that the APS-C cameras (Sony, Fuji, Nikon DX, every Canon except the 5D series, etc) are not for you.
I’ve found the sensor size for you: a 10×8″ sensor of equivalent focal length as my m43 45/1.8 will only need f=27.1 to have the same DOF.
“if you shoot at F4 or F16 all looks the same… i have an iphone if i want that”
It’s amazing the way you can know someone for years before you realise they are an expert in something but a moron will let you know right away.
take your 50 macro, and make the test shoot your favourite subject, your balcony flowers, from medium distance at F 2.8, F4, F 5.6 and so on up to F11 or whatever, no difference at all, but it’s cool you have 1 setting wideopen at f2 to play with dof, and the rest is technique (as you will say), have fun with your technique, for me crop sensors killed the essence of photography, it’s becoming a multimedia snapping.
open your eyes before you sink more dollars for nothing in a pointless system, look in your drawer, instead of 5 plastic lenses (calculate how much you payed for then….), you could afford an M9 by now…
Funny, I seem to remember some guy named Ansel or something, who didn’t seem to be limited to a paper thin DoF and still managed to get some nice snapshots.
43 is not a crop sensor.
Yep, I like that truism. 😀
Don’t feed the trolls!
Comparison to the over priced and underwhelming EPs plus their VFs will not make the OMD prices any better.
Instead of churning out EP1, EP2 and EP3, they should have introduced a camera with an integrated EVF a long time ago.
The sensor will be a production GX1 clone with processing tweaked and designed by Olympus….. the same big deal as the last round of pens. OK with me Oly does nice processing some of the best in the buisiness. The size of it will be the make or break. Can’t believe how soon the Oly rangefinder fanatics have embraced the idea of the humongous hump of the OM design….. Humps by Olympus are loveable I guess. I also love how the oly faithful get their digs in early complaining about Panny sensors so if the camera turns out to be a dud it’s Panasonics fault….. if it’s a hit it’s all Olympus YAHOO!!!
For me, there is still a small chance that the new sensor is not the sensor from Panasonic, but a sensor from Samsung (see rumors from last summer). If this were true, then there is a high percentage of probability that the characteristics of this sensor will differ markedly from those we know from Panasonic. We’ll see.
That’s funny. I own an E-P3, and am quite happy with it. I would have preferred a PEN PRO (yes, a humpless retro brick!) I don’t consider myself an oly faithful. However, in my view the “oly faithful” in these threads appear to be reasonably balanced in their comments, compared to all the prophets of doom and gloom for oly, while at the same time recommending NEX, Fuji — and even FF.
@BLI I also have 2 pens and 3 Oly dslr’s and I find the Oly faithful more than unreasonably unbalanced demanding a return to Kodak Fuji Sony sensors anyone but the evil Panasonic who supplies the sensors for most all Oly cameras of the last four or five years. These were horrible cameras by their account and would be the cats pyjammas with someone elses sensor. And in the next breath they sing the praises of every model and variant available.
As for bricks I own a Panasonic DMC-L1….. now that’s a brick. And obviously useless it has a Panasonic sensor…… Just think where Oly could be if those evil Panasonic demons weren’t forcing them to use their sensors. Oly makes good cameras…..and in their judgement Panasonic sensors are the best available at this time. WHY??? is that so hard for the OLY faithful to understand.
As far as I know, Oly owns the patents for the N-MOS/Live-Mos sensor technology. So is there a Panny sensor at all? Nontheless, I’d prefer if somebody else would continue enhancing the Live-Mos technology as Panasoic apparently aren’t really shining while doing so.
That’s news to me. Where did you hear that?
Read this several times in different forums. So, I think if different sources make this claim it could be true. I’ll try later to find these threads, but it has been quite a while ago and finding them arguably won’t be easy.
I’m not convinced that those who criticize the Panny sensors are the oly faithfuls. On the contrary, they sound more like NEX or Fuji faithfuls, Oly antagonists, or someone who enjoy negative criticism.
Elf
Oly can load up the features until they are oozing out of the camera, if the sensor inside is not competitive, the system is not competitive.
I believe Olympus has to differentiate its flagship product with a different brand sensor.
I would pre-order today!
I’m an olympus user and loathe the hump, there’s no purpose for it in mirrorless cameras, I could only tolerate it if it gets out of the way in usage and storage, but I doubt it. If this camera doesn’t deliver I won’t blame panasonic at all, it’s all on Olympus IMO. The fact that Panasonic forces their low-tier sensors on Olympus doesn’t stop Oly from trying to get a sensor elsewhere (their binding contract ended long ago AFAIK), and all that depends solely in the re-engineering of the IBIS system (or at least that’s the most difficult part). If Olympus hasn’t re-designed the IBIS in a long time it’s only because of laziness or at best a lack of R&D funds (which I doubt since we’ve seen many accessories and added features along the road).
In any case so far we only know of the 16mp resolution of the sensor yet we cannot assure it comes from Panasonic. Perhaps it took Olympus all this time to accomodate the IBIS structure into non-panasonic sensors and this new sensor is from someone else, although I high HIGHLY doubt this.
“Olympus tweaked”. We heard it before with E-P3, and the result was not that revolutionary.
Sorry, but the Panny 16mp wont do when it comes to DR, so is it that sensor that Oly is “tweaking” there will be no buy.
What DPR has pointed out in several reviews now is that Olympus Gradation (SAT) does work, while Panasonic’s version doesn’t measurably improve DR. Also in other parts, Olympus seems to get better results from the same sensor. So, I’m very happy Olympus is (finally) stepping up. Even the G3 sensor is a considerable improvement, according to all the reviews out there.
Yeah, but you forgot that Olys tweaking of DR means more noise…
so what?
Yes, but the 16MP sensor has lower shadow noise than the 12MP sensor, so it will be an improvement over current cameras nonetheless.
I would bet money that’s the sensor….. GH sensor Panny has said they want to keep for themselves for differentiation. And Oly would have to totally redesign their IBIS to accomadate a bigger in size sensor, a totally new design…….don’t think they can afford it.
Ok, what we expect is a weathersealed GX1 with a technology of the last year G3 (G3 is 555,- € Body only). If there is no surprise, like a excellent hybrid viewfinder, I won’t buy that ordinary cameratechnology.
The G3 would be the much better deal with a similar foto output.
I must admit that I like the rangefinder style in design and portability. But left-eye fotographers have always problems to place their nose on that. And we are about 50% according to genotype (a lot % are trained different) :-))
Agrees! Have a G3 – the best m4/3 compromize yet. Form factor is body with grip like GF/X and “hump” a’ la GH. The 30% increase in resolution (from 12mpix) is real and very useful.
A high end version with better build, EVF and better DR is a winner.
How can it be tweaked and designed by Olympus. If they designed it, why would they then have to tweak it?
Price is fine, about the E-P3 plus VF2. Won’t be for me if the VF is in the middle tho. And I wouldn’t bet on it being a body only price: I think the reason the new 12-50 zoom is so slow is to keep the price down.
There will be a lot to like about a weatherproofed ILC with matching lens, especially at $1100 – $1300. Who knows, I might eat my words on the VF position if there isn’t an alternative. But if I have to live with a centre VF, I’d probably buy a weatherproof GH3 instead.
Please Olympus, give us a hand-grip. (not extra battery grip, just something to put my fingers)
I would want the option of a battery grip too. Afterall, you don’t have add it if you don’t want it.
What’s wrong with the G3 sensor? It is very good, and comparable to entry level APS-C cameras.
It will be much better than the one in the Olympus E5, and that camera is able to produce wonderful pictures.
Reading 4/3 and m4/3 forums really makes me depressed, …so much whining.
Never understood that either. The G3 is capable of producing very nice quality images. But then again, that is just as much down to the photographer.
I hope that they announce a new roadmap for weather-sealed lenses as well, that’s where the goodies will come (I have given up on the sensor but anyways the highest ISO I went was 800). They can’t expect people who buy a weather-sealed camera to be stucked with one slow lens (albeit a good kit lens)
$100 is too much for this camera…so I could not vote.
Sensor: “Olympus Tweaked and Designed”… Isn’t that the same exact thing that was said before the E-P3 came out?
At best, this OM camera will have the current 16MP Pany G3 sensor with the Oly “tweaked” jpeg engine…right?
That is the best case situation…and that is behind a LOT of the competition at this point regarding sensor solutions.
I think if one is going to compare this new Olympus to the Fuji XP1 we have to keep in mind the strengths of each system.
Right now in mirrorless world…the best camera known would be combining the mechanics and lenses of MFT with a sensor like the Fuji XP1 has or a larger Nikon V1 sensor.
Something has to change very significantly with the future MFT offerings from both Pany and Oly…and that is sensor technology. Not weather sealing.
Do you actually use a camera to take photos, or do you just compare DR specs on photography review sites? There’s a hell of a lot more to IQ – and even more so photography in general – than an extra stop or two of DR, which you’ll only need to push the image around in PP anyway.
yes…I take photos.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6712544549_f1b1afb053_b.jpg
(my GX1 photographed with my G3 and Pany/Leica 45mm f/2.8 Macro)
We need more dynamic range in MFT camera offerings. Too often highlights are blown when the shadows are right in average lighting.
Weather sealing and viewfinder gadgetry is secondary to what would REALLY improve the MFT camera system.
Do you take photos? 🙂
When I REALLY take PHOTOS…I have to rely on my FF DSLR system…but these cameras are REALLY fun!
I do take pictures with my cameras which is why I sold the EPL2 I tried for a couple of months this spring. I thought the image quality was not as good as pictures from my D90 SLR no matter how I tweaked them in Lightroom. The biggest problem was the lack of DR. If I miss the correct exposure by a little bit, want to recover hightlights or lighten shadows the RAW files from my D90 work better than the .ORFs I got from my EPL2. DR is not just a number on a DXOMark chart. It has real world consequences for real world photographs.
The biggest problem I had with the EPL2 was the user interface. I kept accidentally changing settings by bumping the rear dial and spent more time in menus than I wanted. I am seriously considering giving m43 another try since the UI problems were due to my buying an EPL2 instead of something like the GX1. If Olympus/Panasonic came out with a camera that has more DR at base ISO I buy it even if some of its other features do not exactly match my needs. If it has the same low DR sensor as the current cameras they are going to have to get everything else exactly right before I buy it.
Dave, I agree with your DR assessment….My Pany MFT cameras are set up to exploit HDR which (if used tastefully) can really over come a lot of the DR issues for still photos. They have great, flexible auto-bracketing. (WAAAAY better than my 5DMarkII!). This is not a solution to any moving photography, though.
These MFT cameras are just so small and fun to use they make me want to take more photos!
The GX1 is pretty user friendly…you can set the camera up (very flexible) to YOUR needs..but you can still bump the buttons…(but it needs more DR..like all MFT).
I always keep my Kirk/Arca-Swiss tripod mount on the bottom of the camera as it makes it much easier to hold with my left hand and then operate it with my right hand…and then it is always ready to throw in the tripod. It helps combat button-bumping.
The thing is, Panny’s 16MP sensor is competitive with anything this side of FF, except for the latest generation of Sony sensors. No sub-FF camera had this sort of DR until very recently, and now suddenly it has become an essential camera feature! I understand that it is desirable, but nobody complained about the lack of DR on DSLR sensors when we didn’t have any more than Panny’s 16MP sensors can provide. But now that Sony can give us even more, suddenly no other sub-FF sensor has enough DR!
The Sony “System” is a mess. NO THANKS. The lens situation there is “well-why-don’t-I-just-keep-using-my-full-frame-camera-if-the-lenses-are-this-big” bad. LOL!
There are all kinds of color-balancing issues there as well. Plus…its more computer, less camera. MFT is a great second “system”…better than all of the others. If the sensor is improved (the tech is there..Pany just won’t pony up the cash), it is the end of the discussion. The mechanics of OLY or PANY is just personal preference after the main issue is resolved.
That being said…all of these mirrorless cameras are secondary cameras in my world. None of them deliver what a full-on DSLR SYSTEM can offer in terms of image quality and tools to solve problems. But…its getting betterer.
Eventually this will change ….so I am hanging in there with all of my MFT lenses…free-market competition will force the issue, sometime soon I hope.
If I can only have one camera…it is going to be my FF DSLR…I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
> The thing is, Panny’s 16MP sensor is competitive with anything this side of FF, except for the latest generation of Sony sensors. No sub-FF camera had this sort of DR until very recently
Bullshit!
G(su)X1 sensor is plain prehistoric in DR.
Even compact sensor of Canon Powershot G12 can give more dynamic range than G3/GX1 sensor.
And practically every single APS-C sensor younger than half dozen years has 50+ % of more DR and all later ones at least doubled dynamic range (Canon) or way more than that. (Nikon, Pentax, Sony)
Only sensor which didn’t do better is criticized as garbage 14MP Samsung sensor!
++++++++++++++ What Bob and Dave said.
DR is THE image issue with M4/3 at this point.
Resolution on the higher-end models (GH2, GX1, G3) is good, with no need to push it higher.
JPEG and RAW image quality in all current models is excellent.
AF speed and accuracy is very good.
Lens selection is good, but needs improvement. (fewer junky zooms, more fast primes!)
GUI on both sides need LOTS of work!
Battling blown highlights is the biggest challenge I find. I wish the sensor designers would improve low-ISO performance and DR rather than high ISO. If I really want better low-light performance, I use a tripod!
Why compromise everyday ISOs for better 12,800 ISO? Which really is more of a novelty, like “art” filters or 3D lenses, for spec sheets and hype, I mean, marketing dudes and their PowerPoint presentations.
+1
It will come…it has to or Pany will not be able to compete.
That is so true.
I’m becoming more interested by the day: 16MP sensor, built-in EVF with some new kind of technology/solution, weather sealing in a kit with the 12-50mm lens, price seems quite right: between E-620 and E-30. The only thing I’m still hoping for is that the new camera has some kind of solution for fast AF of the existing excellent line of 4/3 DSLR lenses.
If this camera can focus my 14-54 mkI fast, I’m very tempted to finally fork out some extra €’s on a new camera. Might even spring for the great 50-200mm too! One Beautiful System, finally delivered…
I’m OK with any viable solution: on-chip PDAF, PDAF sensor parallel to the optical path, PDAF adapter a-la Sony/Nikon (probably made by some 3rd party manufacturer). Just deliver!!!
Since they adverise it as a pro camera (in the asian press invitation), it must have pro lenses to work with. I would assume this means that it will work well with the existing pro lenses in the 4/3 line. Unless Olympus present a completely new line of pro m4/3 lenses at the same time, of course.
I wonder when it will be available in shops so that I can plan my holidays for this summer 🙂
Show me one… just ONE Oly announcement in the recent decade that has lived up to the hype.
NONE!
The price is decent but we have no ideas what it comes up with so it may be great but may also be the absolutely stupid. With no further details any polls are a waste of time. This is what usually happens…
Rumors get the fanbois all excited. The marketing guys see that the fanbois are getting excited and get greedy. The price goes up in the end. The product releases and its old technology with performance less than it’s competitors. Everyone’s disappointed, from mktg to the fans.
Same story different day. I’d be surprised if Oly does something more than interesting than just a “retro” shell onto old tech.
Those marketing people are smart enough not to pay too much attention to what is being written in forums like these. It’s too much of a psychotic audience to base a proper marketing strategy on, certainly not representative of who they’re trying to target in their communication and sales.
Good work Admin. It’s been raining FT 4’s and 5’s lately and with about 3 weeks to go before the Official announcement I’m sure you’ll have a few more secrets to throw our way!?
I’m assuming this is the G3 sensor tweaked by Olympus and coupled to a new processing engine. Can you try and confirm this?
Thanks
1000 Euro is a bit pricey but OK if the camera delivers what it promises and has articulated LCD.
…kit lens and built-in flash.
There should be another option in there….”reasonably price.” There’s a big difference between “a bit pricey” and “damn good price.”. Just sayin’. I think more people would be voting for reasonably priced. If that many people really think it’s a bit pricey then people are officially expecting too much for too little.
I don’t need a weather-sealed body. (And I wonder how many of the forum posters demanding this feature actually need it, either.)
Given that, the new sensor and viewfinder are going to have to be almost miraculously better than the ones in the Lumix GH2 in order to make this camera worth such a significant premium.
Personal preference. I don’t need the build quality of my 7D, but I love it dearly nonetheless. Build quality is always on top of my checklist when I’m looking at a camera.
…but isn’t that like building Fort Knox to protect $100?
MFT..must blossom from the inside out, grasshopper….we need more DR before we get the DSLR body specs.
🙂
Sure, could be. I wouldn’t be buying then. But I would say that a €1000 body should have a lot to offer in terms of build quality and performance. Especially when they are that close to the NEX7.
+1
more DR and faster lenses.
I heavy miss the creative arrangement of sharpness in MFT Fotos. You need an f 2.0 or less. There is only available the not stabilized 2.0 45mm, or the 1.7 25 Pancake.
Maybe add that they now have strong competition sensor-wise from Canon’s G1X sensor.
I bet Canon is going to use that sensor for MORE than the G1X….ya know? They would not design an odd side sensor just for a camera in a category that is losing its share of the market…….from what I have seen that sensor looks like it has better DR that the MFT’s …have seen images but no tests yet..so I don’t know the facts yet.
You could be right. It would make sense to use the G1X as a test for their ILC camera.
If there’s no improvement in CDAF system use by this so called “OM-D” then the $1000 will be too pricey….weather sealed is not improvement, because Oly already master it and not many of Us willing to test our new $1000+ camera under the rain, new view finder is not improvement unless it helps us to take picture with ease, easily focusing (peek or split?) while at the same time let us change the setting easily. Without all of that “OM-D” will only be the Oly version of G3 (and I hope Oly will have the flip out touch screen too…) the mini DSLR version of EP-3 (even with new sensor ) for $1000 will be too pricey….
The price is good if it is with a lens. Maybe a 25 f2 lens or even one of the kit zooms.
sad sacks! do you have nothing better to do than pontificate about camera specs that may or may not happen? get out there and take some photos! i came across this site by chance… couldn’t believe it!!!
Fuji changed the game, EVF is no longer good enough.
HOw on earth are we supposed to know if a camera is too expensive or not when all we got is a few rumors?!??!
It’s just a laugh. Relax and enjoy the rumor pandemonium. 😉
Ah, I’m not the only wondering that.
Wow! olympus now have 1700 potential sale based on the vote if they deliver weather sealed, VF, and IS.
I understand all frustrated 4/3 users who are left behind in camera development. An adapter like the new Sony DSLR to NEX but 4/3 to m4/3 would be nice for all who sits with excellent and expensive Oly 4/3 lenses.
Think Oly should be able to take the idea from Sony and adapt it. But it has to be an adapter, cannot be built into the camera as it would add bulk and price that manu do not need.
Introducing a PDAF adapter that works is a way to unfreeze 4/3 users’ purchases of Olympus products out there. It could somewhat reverse the effects of the recent bad news and uncertainties of the survival of the camera division.
Have you used the adapter? It looks clunky and is rather expensive. It might not be in use though, somethings you can not get by looking at them, or even playing with them for a couple of minutes.
I do think they need better adapters for their 43 lens as well for the OM lens.
I do not think this camera will be the one that allows the 43 to focus correctly, unless its sensor has auto focus built in. I think Olympus is putting forth one new concept something about the viewfinder, and make a tribute camera to the OM series.
It I was to design an OM tribute camera it would look like the OM1. It would utilize the film winder or advance lever to charge the battery. It would have no art filters, no back LCD, ISO 25 -1600 and have an adapter to fully utilize OM lens. All that frivolous stuff gets in the way of taking that great picture. People end up spending to much time running the Camera software, instead of Framing, Focusing and F,
I keep on getting the feeling that most digital shooters are like those 1,000 monkeys at the typewriter for a 1,000 years hoping Shakespeare will come out. Just how many images can one review rework and work with till it becomes complete drudgery; better to get the image more correct at the shoot.
Personally, now that I am mostly retired, I only hope to get 12 truly meaningful photographs a year though. Sometimes I plan for days to get the right shoot, other times it is spontaneous, and sometimes even driven. The enjoyment is in creating the AN image.
I’m sure that I’m in the minority, but in my opinion the price is too low. Such a low price likely means Oly has skimped on features. I think an E-30 body debuted at around $1,300 to $1,500, and the E-30 did not have weather-sealing and was not touted as a flagship camera.
I hope Oly has seriously modularized the camera such that 1,100 Euros is a stripped down version with minimal accessories. Otherwise, at that price Oly may have cut capabilities such as processor and bus speed which affect frame rates.
In life, ultimately one gets what he pays for, and there is no such thing as a free lunch.
However, I’ll wait to see Oly’s product and the GH3 before making any decisions. I hope Oly proves me wrong and has not cut the new camera’s capabilities to reach an unrealistic price point.
I think you may be on to something there. That this camera is to fill the e-## place in the lineup. I can’t believe this camera is the elusive PEN PRO, or an E-5 replacement.
I believe the e-## were all sold with a kit lens, maybe the OM-D is not sold with a lens, then the price would be about the same. As some people want a primes, some weather sealed, and other the regular mFT kit lens (which is not bad) having the body separate is good.
I voted too expensive. Here are my reasons:
1) This is a new camera. I don’t know the specs and even if I did, I wouldn’t know how the camera performs until I see several reviews.
2) I have several m4/3 lenses and I don’t know whether I’ll be able to use them with the OM-D (no fiddling with adapters please!). If I am to switch to a new system completely, that has a cost attached to it as well.
3) If the new camera also uses a new lens mount, what about the availability of new lenses?
I am not a tech junkie and I am not willing to spend that amount of money just to have a new toy. I need a good camera that will cover most of my needs and also have a good choice of lenses available. Body only is meaningless, you have to look at the whole system.
“.43 is not a crop sensor”
i fully agree withyou it’s not a crop sensor, it’s a crap sensor
Personally I find the price too expensive if that is body only. The EP-3 is way over priced too. This camera needs to be a little more than EP-3 but with a lens included as well, and to actally deliver on all the features people are crying out for all in one body with integrated electronic view finder.
Any idea if OM-D will have ring on mount like film OM’s? It will make great ergonomics!
Bad choice with the price. At $/€1000, it’s in fairly direct competition with the Fuji X Pro 1, which if the rumours are correct, will cost around $/€1300 or so, and that seems a far better camera, if only for the APS-C sensor alone.
€1590. And what please is better on a slighly bigger APS-C/DX sensor?
And why – if you believe that this is the case – do you bother FT/µFT?
aps-c is 40% bigger than ft, it’s not only ‘slightly bigger’ fan-troll
It actually competes much more with Sony’s NEX7, the Fuji is more expensive (around $1600 body only). Looking at the NEX7 I would say Olympus has their work cut out for them. The smaller m4/3 sensor will always have some disadvantages, so Olympus will have to compensate to deliver an overall attactive camera. They shouldn’t rely on just the lens choice and size advantage.
I laughed when you compared the price to the new Fuji. I suspect they aren’t even in the same league. Might as well mention the price diff between it and an M9. 🙂
A more reasonable comparison would be against the much less expensive new Canon G series point & shoot.
How is life over there in Trollhättan?
OM-D should fall into E-P3’s current price and E-P3 should drop.
LOL… Troll… that’s a good one.
Did I hurt your widdle feelings, Don?
Let’s see: The Olympus sensor is no where near the size of the new Fuji’s. It’s not even as big as the New Canon G1X. Yet, if anyone points out this glaring fact, they are a troll. 🙂
Thanks for your unbi”ass”ed assessment. 😉
Does olympus think that consumers are that stupid? The OM-D is basically an ep-3 shaped like an slr with a viewfinder….or a four thirds dslr without the mirror box. So now anyone wanting a ep3 with evf has to buy a om-d? LOL. What’s next, they make a lower end om-d lite without viewfinder?…and then another one a bit higher with a swivel lcd? God, sooner or later there will be ten m43 cameras that are essentially the SAME THING. It’s so retarded it isn’t even funny anymore.
The Sony people are doing the same thing with their supposed FF nex A mount E mount camera. The question is..why couldn’t they have done this to BEGIN with? If Olympus had made a ep3 with evf and Sony had made a rangefinder styled body which takes the A mount, they wouldn’t have to make so many of the same cameras with missing features over and over again. It’s like they purposely make cameras with missing features until they come full circle in that merry-go-round of stupidity to end up where they should have started with.
Oh god, i can almost hear Richo announce a csc that resembles their old slr line and Pentax coming up with a csc camera that looks like their old ME…but with a viewfinder..of course.
That’s their master plan, make a camera with 3 missing features, then the next one with 2 missing features, then the third one with just one missing feature. Then make a fourth camera with no missing features but charge a premium, then make a separate camera that looks different and repeat backwards until you get 3 missing features again.
Excellent comment, nothing to add.