A FAKE rendering of a possible Sony 85mm f/1.8 FE lens (Source: Xitek.).
According to one source Sony will disclose a new FE lens roadmap right before Photokina. And he said there will be certainly a fast 85mm prime. He didn’t unveil specs and pricing info about the lens. Very unreliable rumor floating around the web say this could be a Zeiss 85mm f/1.8 lens. One thing is sure: Sony FE lens designer Naoki Miyagawa said he is “dreaming” about an ultra fast 85mm FE lens (Source: Lesnumeriques –google translation here).
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ultra fast is something different… XD but IF that lens is coming anytime soon I will wait before I switch to Fuji and see what that lens will deliver! Excited!
I’m thinking about moving over to Fuji. Tried their 56/1.2 the other day and it was delicious. If this ends up being an 85/1.8 (Same thing as 56/1.2 on APS-C) I’m NOT paying more than 1000$.
Instead, you get to pay $1000+ for a sensor Sony used four years ago in their own camera. Sounds like fun.
Who cares? It’s a good sensor and resolution is almost on part with my A7 anyway.
Remember, Fuji don’t have the low pass filter.
X-trans myth strikes again. Look at comparisons between X-A1 (has a bayer sensor) and X-trans bodies. In RAW, X-A1 actually has the best low and high ISO output of any Fuji camera.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=fujifilm_xa1&attr13_1=fujifilm_xt1&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&normalization=full&widget=8&x=0.3556111453257729&y=-0.08755648413211471
Who cares? I can mount the excellent 14/2.8 to any Fuji and carry it around all day. I can’t do that with Sony’s excellent, new, much better, 24MP because there are no 20mm lenses for it. There is no point in talking about picture quality if you don’t have the picture.
Btw, I’ve shot with an X-E1 and A7 side by side. I say Fuji’s sensor is good enough for me. Who are you to tell me otherwise with your dpreview links?
Well, you started the whole ‘the resolution is on par with the A7 because it has no AA-filter’-nonsense. The best of Fuji is just as good as the best of any other 16mp APS sensor.
I don’t care what’s good enough for you. Wrong is wrong. Get over it.
If you’re more into reading reviews than taking pictures, here’s one for you:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sigma_sd1_review.shtml
You would have really liked the Fuji S5, back when they controlled the sensor, the detail was much better than what you see now from the Sony part. Dynamic range was better too. Alas, they just couldn’t compete.
Only if didn’t market it as 12MP 😉 Also, wasn’t it actually a Nikon D200 with a Fuji sensor in it? It’s never just about the sensor. I’d hate that body and Nikon’s lens selection.
Too bad a 56mm is not at 85mm… Just because the field of view is similar does make make a 56 an 85 because it’s on APS-C. The compression is not the same, the depth of field is not the same, etc. If you want an 85, you have to get an 85 and not a 56 on APS-C. Don’t switch systems before understanding how optics work or actually know what you need.
Actually 56/1.2 on APS-C = 85/1.8 on FF
No, it doesn’t. 56mm on APS-C = 56mm with an 85mm field of view. Again, learn about optics and what you need before switching systems. A 56mm does not have the same effects as an 85mm no matter the sensor size.
Yes it does: http://andrewvanbeek.com/fuji-vs-canon-lenses/
No it doesn’t, as I comment the three times above. As your link proves, you get roughly the same FOV and DOF, but not the same compression. You can see that the out of focus areas have a very different effect, as does her face, and that is all focal length and nothing to do with sensor size.
Compression and perspective is the effect of DISTANCE alone. Not anything else.
Yes, DOF varies by F stops and Focal length but go try it yourself,
take a picture with 2 lens with different focal length (IE 55mm and 85mm) but set the F stop very high like F11 or F16 so you won’t be distracted by different DOF. The key is stand to at exactly the same place, don’t change any distance at all. then crop your wider to be equal to the other. you’ll basically see the same picture because none of any distance changed.
You clearly don’t understand how optics work. I say you take an experiment with wide and telephoto lenses and test how the optics work. Have a subject near you and a distinctive object in the background, create the same FOV (cropping a 24mm to get the same FOV as a 200mm is asinine) and tell me how far away that background object looks. You can increase your distance with a 200mm lens to get the view of a 24mm and that background object will look like it is on top of that front subject. Focal length place more of a roll than distance. Please learn optics.
1. Take position, don’t ever move.
2. Take a picture with a 200mm lens.
3. Take another picture with a 24mm lens. DON’T MOVE WHILE DOING THIS.
4. Crop the second image to match the first one.
5. Observe that the object-background relation is the same.
6. Go fudge yourself.
LOL.
Simple instructions for a simple mind. Good job.
“Have a subject near you and a distinctive object in the background, create the same FOV (cropping a 24mm to get the same FOV as a 200mm is asinine) and tell me how far away that background object looks.”
You have completely changed the topic! Everybody else is talking about equivalent focal lengths. i.e. we are talking about the ability of a 56mm APS-C lens’ ability to do exactly the same job as an 85mm lens on a FF body.
Now you’re talking about changing your position to get the same FOV on completely different lenses! That has nothing to do with focal length equivalency! You have no business telling people to learn optics and calling them asinine when you clearly have reading comprehension problems and don’t understand the concept of focal length equivalents.
So you are trying to say that a 24mm and a 135mm will look the same if you cropped the 24mm? You should try that for me and tell me how far or close the background looks to the subject. Saying distance is the only thing that affects the compression is asinine. That means wide angles don’t have distortion and telephoto a don’t have compression and millimeters only mean reach. Seriously? This blowing my mind how much y’all don’t understand how lenses work. Enjoy not knowing how your lenses work.
“So you are trying to say that a 24mm and a 135mm will look the same if you cropped the 24mm?”
Yes!
“You should try that for me and tell me how far or close the background looks to the subject. Saying distance is the only thing that affects the compression is asinine.”
The same on either lens. You’re confusing perceived compression as a result of the FOV/focal length (or equivalent focal length) with perspective. You can’t change perspective without moving, so you cannot change perspective by switching to a different focal length. Perspective and FOV will be the same on an 85mm lens or an 85mm equivalent lens when standing in the same position – the compression of the scene will be identical.
“Saying distance is the only thing that affects the compression is asinine.” – No. Not listening to others and continuing to argue in the face of evidence is asinine.
Renderation of the face on each focal length different because of the relative working distance change IE:
if you use wide angle , nose at 15inch and ear at 17inch away from sensor will look much more distorted compared to if you use tele lens and nose at 6 feet and ear at 6.01 feet away. Again 85mm on FF just force you to take picture from far enough for people to look good. So does 55mm apsc and 42.5mm on m43.
Actually it does.
Assuming identical positioning of the photographer, the field of view will be the same and so will the perspective.
Actually, it doesn’t. APS-C does not increase focal length. Compression has to do with focal length and not field of view. You cannot change your focal length.
Yes, on APS-C a 56 f/1.2 has roughly the equivilant of an 85 f/1.8 in focal length and depth of field, but it does not have the same compression effect of an 85mm which is one of the main reasons people buy an 85mm. It also does not have the same out of focus effect because you will be closer to your subject and so will the elements behind your subject (because of the compression) making it have a smoother bokeh.
You are indeed wrong.
You will not be closer to your subject! The crop factor negates the need to move closer.
Bring it on!!! Count me in for one.
I was planning to replace my A99, CZ2470, CZ135, CZ 50 1.4 with A7S and CZ FE lenses. Unfortunately Sony Turkey makes it impossible to make such an investment, putting a 7490TL ($3.480) price tag to A7S Body Only! This is ridiculous. They were trying to sell RX1 to 10.000TL ($4.650) last year. They still have A230’s on their shelves with a price tag of $740 and A57’s $1.170!… I wonder how Sony will increase their footprint with such foolish pricing strategies.
Just take a trip to Japan.
🙂 Ok send me the flight tickets 🙂
And you’ll get an a7s full of Kanji. Not necessarily unusable, but certainly a pain sometimes.
If you would like US pricing contact me directly – I’ll buy it and ship it to you for USA price + 10% & shipping.
If you’re going to cover the customs fee, why not 🙂
Does Sony Turkey have A7S already? Great! Last time I looked they were pretending A7R and A7S don’t even exist.
Zeiss 85 f1.8 with 55f18 quality and price it at $1200 USD –> Sony will rock!
Why on earth would an 85mm f1.8 need a 72mm filter thread? Obviously the pic is a mockup / fake, but do people really believe it would need to be that big?
They used the A mount 85/1.4 to create this fake. Which uses the 72mm filters.
I see. Yes it does look out of proportion to the body of the lens and mount. If you were going to the effort of changing the text, why not the filter size? Not that it matters, just seems curious.
Sorry I went back to the original rumor and it’s the sel18105g they used. Not sure why they didn’t change it. Looking back I see this lens was first rumored in December 2012. It’s been a long time coming.
This mockup isn’t though. Yes, talk of an 85mm has been around for ages, my suspicion is it was put on hold when FE system was being developed so they would release a FF version rather than a crop only.
So does this mean ‘just’ updating the roadmap, or actually releasing some of these lenses?
For me 1.8 is a good compromise for size and weight.
If they can manange to make it as good as the ZA 85 I’d be in.
If it can hang with the 55FE, I’m in. According to dxomark, the 35FE and 55FE had T-stops equivalent to their F-stops. I don’t know how that is possible, but whatever they’re doing works. An 85 f/1.8 (t/1.8) would make me happy.
I want macro 85-100mm. A mount 85mm Zeiss min focus distance is over 700 mm 🙁
100mm F2,8 G Macro likely in 2014
Exactly.
85mm f2.8 from memory is 500mm MFD, 135mm f1.8 is 600mm. Sigma 85mm f1.4 is 600mm, but yes, the ZA (like the Minolta) isn’t so great.
For full frame, I would prefer 135mm – any hope?
A 135mm lens won’t really take advantage of the short flange distance of mirrorless cameras. Any other (slr) 135 would be roughly the same, size and quality-wise. So I hope they put OSS in to one.
Very interested to see what’s on the cards… I’m very pleased with my A77ii, but I do a lot of street photography and can see the benefits of having something a bit more subtle. What I love about the a77ii is that the af is accurate enough to confidently shoot from the hip – any news on when the a7 is getting the a6000 treatment?
If accuracy is what you’re after, the A7 is better than any SLT PDAF. Being sensor-based AF, it’s not susceptible to front/back focus issues.
But slow, sadly… Not having to worry about front and back focus issues has its attractions though!
Not really slow at all. Yep it’s not DSLR speed in all circumstances, but you might actually be surprised.
Even tracking and continuous AF work much better than I had anticipated, even at wide apertures where DOF is thinner.
This. And in good light ‘street’ it’s really plenty fast. Heck A7S is perfectly fast in not good light. A7 can lock and take a shot very quickly.
I hope for a 85mm 1.8. It would just be common sense : 35, 55, 85. Three focal lengths used since decades with 24*36. There is no secret at all about what consumers are waiting for in the full frame world. They want a coherent system with the most useful zoom and prime lenses…. After that, a very wide angle (something between 18 and 24), a 90 macro and a 135 for those who prefer this focal length for portrait.
135mm F2 Zeiss likely in 2015
And? I would happily have a 135mm f2.5. 135mm’s aren’t that big unless they are particularly fast. I use a 135mm f2.5 currently, it’s tiny compared to my previous f2, 58mm filter thread, it’s not much bigger than the 55mm.
I don’t have info on size nor price, but if the info I have is 100%, then the road map for FE looks promising.
for a different mount :DD
Not really. FE mount
I would prefer a 100mm f2. Small systems should have nicely spread out prime FL’s, with a long ~50mm they should go a bit longer on the tele prime but also a bit shorter than a 135mm.
How about some reasonably priced Sony-G glass plz. I could just about afford the A7s if the lenses I need weren’t all high-end price.
G badge or zeiss badge – they are equally high-end / high-priced. Is the 35mm G lens a bargain compared to the 24mm or 50mm ZA?
Exactly. Though these days G is for the telephoto lineup (except the curious 18-105mm) and Zeiss for wider and ‘normal’ FL’s.
A vote for “G” not “Zeiss” version with more reasonable price tag – it wouldn’t be nice if this lens would cost as much as ZA 85/1.4 in A mount 🙂 And OSS would be great too!
G is more expensive.
No it is usually not. E-mount G 18-105/4 is almost 2x less expensive than Zeiss 16-70/4. A-mount G 85/1.4 used to be less expensive than later ZA 85/1.4.
You can’t compare two completely different lenses and say G is a cheaper brand. You also can’t compare the prices of two lenses marketed in different time periods.
Well you can’t compare a lens to itself can you? The SEL18105G is as comparable a lens as it gets to the SEL1670Z. And it is both cheaper and inferior.
It’s not as simple as saying G or Zeiss is more expensive, as you can’t do direct comparisons. Both are high-end and both are marketed as such by Sony.
But yes, it is misguided to assume being G branded would make a lens more reasonably priced than Zeiss branded. If anything, a G prime is more likely to have OSS and that in itself could make it more expensive than a Zeiss branded equivalent.
Sony sees G and Zeiss as equals: http://www.sonydigitalimaging.com/lenses/introducing-g-series/
Comparing the Sony g 35mm 1.4 pricing to the 24mm za or 50mm za shows the pricing to be in line at similar focal lengths / specs.
When looking at the most expensive lenses Sony offers (for which there are no similar sony zeiss equivalents) the top 5 highest priced lenses are all g branded.
The point is this – it is quite clear the the Gold designation does not mean cheaper or inexpensive. The G lenses are either equally priced or far more expensive on the a-mount side.
Why would it be priced like the f1.4? None of the other, slower E-Mounts are as expensive as their faster A-Mount counterparts. 24-70, 70-200, 55mm are all ‘in line’ cheaper than their A-Mount brethren. This 85mm shall be no different.
Sony’s 70-200/2.8 G sells fror $3,000. G is by no means a budget line.
Ultra fast would mean 1.2 or maybe 1.4. I can do with 1.8 – as it means lower weight. I would definitely buy a 85mm as well as a 24 or 21 to compliment my 35 and 55 FE’s. ( Neither of them are really high end priced; just look at what CaNikon’s 1.4 lenses cost. Compare with Fuji lenses that are similarly priced)
This much is certain. I am hoping that the lens designer’s dream becomes an AFFORDABLE reality. It would be nice to have prime lenses that don’t cost $800 and up. As good as they are, it would be nice if lower priced alternatives become available.
Considering how affordable the bodies are, I’m amazed there isn’t a range of more affordable Sony branded lenses…
They are following in the footsteps of the printer industry now.
Ha! So true. But who will buy $1000 lens for a $500 camera?
So you’ve never come across lenses that are more expensive than the body?
Sure, I have. I just expect significantly more of those.
Under how many aliases are you posting? It says I replied to “Marco Barrios” but now it’s you, Vlad.
Ever considered registering your discus username, unless you’re just trolling here?
It is the comment system that messes up, I am posting only under one name.
Register it and this won’t happen.
Prime lenses should be of high quality and priced at a level commensurate with that quality. In 2014 that means around $1000 +/-, Sony should continue to design and build high quality primes. If you want cheaper lenses then look into third party glass, but don’t expect Sony to dumb down quality to suite cheapskates That would not be wise. .
Sounds good.
But what about (fast) wide angle? Still waiting for a 35/1.4 and a 24/1.4 – that’s what I need. If they are not coming soon, I’ll move to Fuji – they have a 23/1.4 which is faster than sony’s 35/2.8 (but still won’t get the look of a 35/1.4). Same with 24, it’s on Fuji’s roadmap.
It’s safe to assume that Sony isn’t releasing another 35mm FE prime anytime soon.
I’ve just tried the Fuji 23/1.4 last weekend. I didn’t really like it. The character is not very attractive. My 35/2.4 Flektogon gave much more pleasing results on A7 (For three times the size and twice the weight).
The fuji 23mm is maybe one of the best 35mm you can buy in the market….every single recise state it!!!!
I know, I read the reviews already but I wasn’t impressed. 56/1.2 looked really good though. Absolutely loved that one.
Haha yeah of you say so.
And where would be those reviews?
Fuji fan blogs? Oh no I mean ‘serious’ reviews 😉
Ken writes this exact statement. I think it is a good lens but so is the e mount 24mm.
24mm F2 Zeiss likely in 2014
Doubtful. I’d expect F2.8 or even slower. Unless you are speaking of the upcoming manual Zeiss line, in which case we might see something faster.
Are you sure? You can expect all you want…
Just assuming based on what we’ve seen and heard.
And what is that dear fellow?
The existing lenses for one?
This is information I got my hands on
You really think they will release a prime slower than f2.8? For what purpose?
And if all I got stands true there is a lot coming in for the remaining 2014 and 2015. That’s the reason I used the words “likely”
More than 10? Well maybe they will bring out some cheaper primes after all. But generally, what you hear, unless it is a very very good source is just made up.
I’ve used them both, and the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 is the way to go IMO. It’s a shame it wasn’t a f/2, however it keeps the overall compact, which is the primary goal of a mirror less CSC. If your looking for faster Sony primes (not so compact) you’ll have to buy into the A99II.
Out of curiosity, why do you prefer the FE 35 over the Fuji 23 1.4?
And that’s it: It’s a shame it is 2.8. Which is a no-go for my kind of photography.
Comparing the Fuji APS-C with FF?
And you want to shock Sony with your Fuji threat? Ciao…
I didn’t want to shock sony – just wanted to express my need in fast primes. And in my world, fast means definitely faster than 2.8.
Why? Because I really like the look of 35mm and 24mm shot wide open at 1.4.
So, in the end I am comparing Fuji APS-C with sony’s FF. As they are tackling the same market. Fuji excels regarding lenses, sony regarding sensor – and sony has proven in the past that building a strong lens lineup is not their highest priority.
F 1.8 ultra fast 😀 HELL YEAH 😀 compared to f4 it is ultra fast indeed!
i’m waiting for a7r mark II + 28-85/4 OSS
How about 28-135mm F4 G OSS likely in 2015
That lens is an ENG lens and is massive.
what are you shooting with in the meantime?
NEX 7 + 35 1.8
a7 and a7r are clearly better. If you’re going to wait on those the problem is not in those cameras.
Any chance for OIS?
This lens is a given. Sony should be hurrying out a 135mm and 24mm 1.4. Give the people what they want and they’ll start adopting en mass.
24mm f1.4 ? Unfortunately doubt Sony will release anything less than a 24mm f2.8 or max 24mm f2. 🙁
So far Sony has ZERO f1.4 Sony lenses for its FE mount system.
I love the 24/2 at my A99, but sometimes I miss a little bit more WA.
So I’d prefer a 20/2.
20/2 is where it’s at.
The ZA is 24/2 no?
An 85mm f/1.8 would be nice.
I’d prefer it if the native primes were modest apertures to minimize weight. Fast lenses are going to be big regardless, so adding the weight of an adapter is not as big an issue, and there are loads of great options out there.
It’ll likely be an 85mm f/2.0, to maintain consistency with the A7’s form factor like the other two primes. It’ll probably cost close to a thousand, which seems to be Sony’s full frame mirrorless pricing standard, and it will possibly be a Zeiss model.
Hopefully they’ll create a A-Mount edition, but that’s unlikely, because Sony generally forces those users into purchasing faster, and more expensive f/1.4 editions.
Or slower, much much cheaper editions.
Maybe it’s going to be slower and more expensive,
Ah what!? We are talking about an 85mm are we not?
I just need a 85mm STF with AutoFocus
I need a whole line of STF lenses. Don’t care about the AF.
People need a high quality wide angle FE, not an 85er…
Why not both :))
The 55mm could temporarily substitute the lack of an 85mm IMHO. For wide angle there is no current option.
If the 55 could temporarily substitute a 85, people can use the 35 to temporarily substitute a real wide angle… The FE mount need both a really wide angle and a lens dedicated to portrait. I don’t see why such a priority : wide angle > portrait lense. I would even say that an efficient autofocus lense is more useful in the 85-135mm range than in the 18-24 where manual focus is easier…
And at WA where DoF is usually large by design, an UWA zoom will fulfil this need more than a zoom will for a portrait lens.
That doesn’t answer why not both. There is room on the roadmap for one this year and Brian Smith hinted at a21mm f1.8 a while back.
We have a 35 already. The standard three lenses are 35, 50, and 85. I’d prefer the portrait lens.
Returned my 55/1.8 FE because of that ridiculous fly-by-wire focus system. Just awful compared to real manual focus lens. Hardly better sharpness than Mino 50/1.4 (which is great). 55/1.8 FE has very good distortion control though.
I really think the 55/1.8 FE has a plastic rear lens mount that looks like metal. Far more mount flex than LAE-adapter with A-Mount lens.
Patiently awaiting 36mp a99II with real lens mount and focus control. FE lenses feel like P&S quality. Like some game hardware designer created them.
Really? I happen to own both lens and I have to say that sharpness of FE 55 is unmatched, the Minolta is good but its sharpness is nowhere near the level of the Zeiss. But I agree that a focus mechanism like real MF lens would be nice.
Yes, you ‘had’ the FE55 and it was no better than the 50mm f1.4… and not made as well… Ok sure 😉 I have both, they are miles apart.
The rest of your post makes you sound like a little bitch. Keep telling yourself that…
Yeah keep telling yourself that champ.
Haven’t compared directly, but allow me to disagree.
Fly-by-wire focus, on the other hand, is definitely not what it can be and mechanical focus is a better experience for the moment.
If at least they would had hard stops (travel synchronized to the actual focus range) so it doesn’t turns endlessly… than would be much better
sounds amazing, but also complicated.
Something similar already exists in the Ricoh line.
I agree about the focus-by-wire. It’s the worst implementation I have ever encountered. (Canon’s 85/1.2 has a beautiful fbw system in place). But the 55’s mount is definitely metal. The 35FE has a plastic mount.
nope, the FE35 has the same metal mount than the FE55 and the FE 24-70 (I own them all).
“E-mount is not Alpha worthy” how can you not tell metal from plastic?
You’re absolutely wrong. I own the 35FE, 55FE, and 70-200FE. The 35/2,8FE has a plastic mount.
Visually, the plastic mount is extremely shiny and cheap looking. The 55FE and 70-200FE have a more matte-textured stainless steel mount that is not as shiny. Also cold to touch vs warm. Flicking sound, rubbing sound. I can take a picture and it will be obvious that they are different.
Sony used a plastic flange for the A7 and A7R. They’re cheapos.
My response was deleted for some reason. Rude.
The 35FE is absolutely a plastic mount. Shiny/reflective, cheap looking, warm to the touch.
I also own the 55FE and 70-200FE, and they have matte, stainless steel mounts that are not shiny. They are cold to the touch.
I am pretty sure you mean you ‘believe’ the 35mm f2.8 has a plastic mount. Every source I have managed to find on the internet goes against your findings.
Show me one source that claims the 35FE mount to be “not plastic”.
In my experienced and first hand opinion, the 35FE has a plastic mount and the 55FE has a steel mount. I just did a scratch test with my fingernail, the 35 sounds (no sound) and feels like plastic. It also has soft corners (cause no pressure pain, whereas the 55FE has sharp corners and feels and sounds like metal. Even the color tint is different.
I would actually like to buy a replacement mount from Sony, does anyone have a line or a link?
Ephotozine, Dpreview, Photozone and others have specifically said its a metal mount as does Sony. Don’t you think if it actually was a plastic mount at least one of these guys would have mentioned it ?
Even the pictures show it to be a metal mount. I have plastic mount lenses and none of them are shiny like that. They are grey/black in color and have a dull shine.
I was sure the FE 35 had a metal mount since mine has a tighter feel when mounted than mine FE 55 and 24-70, but I’ve checked it out and you are right the 35 rear plate is plastic unlike the 55 and the 24-70 which are metal (distinctive color and feel).
Anyway since my FE35 is tighter when mounted I have no complaint about a high quality plastic rear end.
Thanks for checking and for the response. I guess it doesn’t really matter that it’s a plastic bayonet as the lens itself is so lightweight.
WTF are you doing to your camera to make a lightweight 55mm lens flex?
“E-Mount is not Alpha worthy” is a troll. He gets his cookies by posting total BS.
Perhaps he should dream about and then do get the 16-35 out! you know that sort of announced lens without an actual prototype, patent, or even artists rendering that was supposed to be delivered in June….
Delivered in June because what? You think it should be? Seriously take a step back. It will come, everything is going to be ok 😉
Because their roadmap said it would be. Companies that don’t deliver on their promises lose loyal customers.
Where? Other than in mind? I don’t see any dates on there. Sorry.
Time to abort-abort from a conversation with an obvious fanboy that can’t read timescales on roadmaps.
Oh yes, I see how this is a release schedule with specific dates much more than a basic graphical representation. I bet you think cartoons are real as well? With clear and accurate depictions of real life events. Grow up.
For photographers that bought into a system and trusting a published roadmap, it is a great disappointment when that company doesn’t deliver on it’s promises. It essentially devalues the investment for them. Belittling those that have a problem with missed commitments is not helpful and just angers them even more. For somebody that needs a lens that was promised but not delivered, it might not be OK! I for one have been very disappointed with Sony on the lack of delivery of this promised lens and the lack of a firmware update, other than the one minor update, that addresses some of the serious firmware induced problems that this camera has for many users.
Sorry, but because YOU decided that it was ‘supposed’ to be June, doesn’t mean anybody said it was coming in June.
Someone feels entitled.
A roadmap is a statement of intent, nothing more. No ‘promises’ were made by Sony.
‘When a company doesn’t deliver on it’s promises’… smh
It has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement – it is an implied promise not delivered. Now if Sony had come out and issued a statement that there was a delay to the roadmap and that the new scheduled date for the lens was such and such, then that would be much more acceptable business practice. But where we stand is with a roadmap that has not been updated and a critical date was missed that was on that roadmap and many customers wondering what happened to the wide angle lens they need to put this system to it’s fullest use. This is very poor business practice and customer relations. I find it amusing that people would defend a company for introducing a new camera system and nearly one year later still not have a real lens system in place. Defending Sony’s practices on this screams of unbridled brand loyalty without a modicum of realism or criticism. You would defend a company for issuing, repeatedly, a roadmap without fulfilling the implied promise of the roadmap. Is the roadmap simply a marketing ploy to keep people buying bodies or is it a commitment to the customer base? Without people actually calling companies on making implied promises and not delivering them, companies have no incentive to actually deliver.
Implied promise? Wtf is that?
“I find it amusing that people would defend a company for introducing a new camera system and nearly one year later still not have a real lens system in place.”
I found lots of your reply amusing, but the above sentence stood out. If that doesn’t sound entitled, I don’t know what does. Let’s not get into what an intended roadmap is, or whether you can reasonably call it a promise. Whatever that means in this context. What constitutes ‘a real lens system’? How many lenses would you consider a real system? Ten, fifteen? How long did it take Nikon or Canon? How many lenses were there for the Fuji X-Pro 1 in the first year? That’s before you look at the myriad of possibilities there are with adapted lenses. Of course, you actually have to be able to use a camera for that.
You fundamentally misunderstand what a roadmap is. As I said before, it’s a statement of intent. Not a promise. Maybe if you are so outraged at Sony, you should sell any Sony kit you have and find another brand that satisfies you. However, I get the impression you’ll be a difficult person to please.
First off, you don’t know me, don’t know my background, nor my history in photography. Insulting me and implying that I don’t know how to use a camera won’t get you anywhere. I have been shooting every camera system imaginable for 45 years and many of those years professionally – you can Google me if you like because I don’t hide my comments behind some anonymous username. Now that I have that off my chest, you fundamentally misunderstand good business practice or what I am saying it seems. I’m not outraged at all. I’m disappointed because I have invested money and time into a system that I love but can’t use to it’s fullest potential. Good business practice is that when a roadmap is no longer accurate, you change it and put out an update rather than keeping your loyal customers hanging because that is what makes them disloyal. What is so hard to understand about that or are you so blinded by your love for Sony that you can’t see when they do something that can hurt their business or customer loyalty.
You obviously don’t get it, and never will.
Have a great day!
I hope every lens that comes out for this system is not $800-1200. Some of Nikon and Canon’s very nice full frame primes are $300-400
Yes, that’s nice, there are some 30 year old lenses they keep making for that price… If that is what you are after, buy a Canon or Nikon DSLR. I don’t compare them to anyone but Leica and compared to them they are a bargain.
I’m happy with the system would just be nice to see some more affordable lenses and not crazy blue sticker prices. The Nikon 85 1.8 is #4 on the Dxo lens chart and it’s $400-500
While that would be nice of course, I am ‘ok’ with the prices of the lenses thus far.
I assume you are talking about the 85mm f1.8 G? I don’t know where you are but it’s a lot more than that here. The older ‘D’ lens is in that range, but my understanding is it is not as good. Canon equivalent is also not that hot (but certainly still decent). I would expect this 85mm to be more ‘premium’ than either, whole optically being a bit better.
In the US, it’s $499 brand new from B&H. Better overall rating than the FE 55. I’m most interested in the FE 35 right now but $800 for a slowish 35mm prime is hard to swallow.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838798-REG/Nikon_2201_AF_S_NIKKOR_85mm_f_1_8G.html
So it is, last time I looked it was quite a bit more expensive than that. Their new 35mm f2 also looks to be excellent, can wait to pair it with a Df…
No the 85mm 1.8G has always been that price. (I actually got mine brand new for only $400 over a year ago).
I did say ‘where I am’. Last time I looked, over here, it was around $800-900.
Where are you?
There is no way in the world it should be rated higher than the 55/1.8.
But it looks and feels like a cheap plastic junk
But cheap plastic junk does have the advantage of being cheap and light… If you want metal, you can try the Contax 85/1.4, which sells for just a bit more and only if it’s a good copy
Those Nikon and Canon fullframe primes are easier to design since those are SLR optics, not mirrorless..
Not at all, in fact it is the other way around for most lenses. One of the main reasons the 55mm 1.8 from Sony does much better than DSLR 50mm lenses, is because it is much easier to design a lens of that focal length with the short register distance of the mirror-less cameras. It is much harder to design an edge-to-edge sharp 50mm for DSLRs as shown by the extreme designs used in Zeiss Otus and new Sigma 50mm Art.
Nope.
Hope it will be as good or better than the legendary 55 zeiss
Your understanding of “legendary” is very …. interesting
Considering that the 55mm 1.8 was already a $1K lens, I am afraid that an ultra-fast 85mm might be far too expensive 🙂 Plus it will be huge as well. So as much as I like ultra-fast primes, I would rather have this as f1.8 or f2 to keep price and size to reasonable limits.
Isn’t it already down to $800? A good portrait lens for a7… shoot, I’d pay $1100 with a later price cut down to $900. If it is stabilized. 85mm hand held starts to get a bit touchy when doing portraiture.
Considering neither Canon nor Nikon nor Sigma have come up with a fast 85mm stabilized lens I would wager this will be a non OSS design. 🙁
Since when did canikon have pro mirrorless systems? Why are you even comparing to them?
I was talking about 85mm lenses across ALL camera systems. The mirrorless advantage starts to disappear after 50mm and so the 85mm FE lens will be about as big as any other 85mm out there.
Not necessarily. I have played around with about a dozen 85mm designs and some do exhibit better performance or alternatively “weight loss” and size reduction when optimized for the FE. Most of those were f1,2 and t1,4, but the same hold true for f1,8. It’s a pity that this rumor is not true.
What about 1.5-crop NEX? No more lens for them?..
The FE 55mm f1.8 makes an excellent portrait lens on a APS-C camera. Now Sony has both APS-C and FF E-mount cameras, it was inevitable APS-C only lens releases would dry up. Look at Canon and Nikon. After a burst of APS-C lenses when that was all you got in DSLR, they have now moved their attention back to FF.
You could make a case for price. The pricing of Sony/Zeiss lenses is crazy when compared to Canon and Nikon’s more modestly priced f1.8 primes and slower zooms. However, Canon and Nikon have volume of sales in their favour, which helps them to reduce costs. Personally, I think Sony’s biggest problem has been their focus on bodies. Understandable I suppose, given their history and predominance in the sensor market, but this is not what sells interchangeable lens cameras. It’s the quality of the system as a whole. Fujifilm has done a much better job in this regard, but it still lacks at the telephoto end, and it’s not cheap.
Went off the track a bit there, sorry about that. Bottom line, expect very few APS-C only E-mount lenses in future. 🙂
yes) FE will make perfect portraits on APS-C, but it costs like my NEX-6 🙂 as photo is my hobby – that too much to pay same price for lens)) meanwhile I have SEL50/1.8, that’s enough for me now)
Would be perfect to see new telezoom like 55-210 but more lighter) dreams, dreams))
I doubt that Sony (zeiss) will develop much more APSC, especially quality ones, as it would cost so much to develop and create that it will end up overpriced anyway. Look for third pary like Sigma to fill the void. And you know, just possibly take advantage of how E-cams can take on any lens with an adapter!
Problem is sigma already indicated that they weren’t building for Sony e mount anytime soon
The thing is you don’t just lose the money you spend on cameras and lenses. You lose some money when you sell, but you also gain enjoyment meanwhile. I’m not saying you should upgrade to a Leica M system for your hobby, but going from NEX-6 to A7 seems reasonable.
Actually they should focus on building customer trust and loyalty. They already gained fans with their A7 lineup, now it’s time to improve what’s possible with firmware updates and the next iteration should feature physical improvements from the current generation instead of being a completely new design
I wouldn’t argue with that. It’s going to take years of commitment to gain that sort of customer loyalty. I’m invested in the Sony E system (and Nikon F), so I’d like them to stick with it. After all, the sensors in all my cameras are made by Sony. 🙂
I fear the worst. The FE ones will work fine (although the zoom lenses have a weird range for APS-C), but they are inevitably bigger and more expensive than a dedicated APS-C lens would be. Now, I do not mind if a lens is big when it has to be big, but when it can be smaller it is a shame it isn’t. Same goes for how much it will cost.
The FE 35 is tiny and makes for a nice 50mm. Using full frame lenses on aps-c means you are always shooting in the sweet spot of the lens.
Yeah, that one is not much bigger than the APS-C 35mm. Although the APS-C one is a lot cheaper and bit faster, the FE is a Zeiss, so it would be a great lens to use. 🙂
Well, the A7 now is at USD 1200 used, sometimes less. Why not just buy that and accept 200 extra grams in exchange for much better IQ?
Just bought an A6000, the 10-18 and 16-70 Zeiss two months ago, so my camerabudget is a bit low at the moment 😉 Not fond of the hump on the A7, but the “NEX” style FF rumor has my interest tho.
Sony does not have unlimited resources and I think right now they are simply choosing priorities. There are a lot more APS-C lenses than FE lenses and in my opinion it makes sense to focus (pun not intended) those resources more on expanding the FE lineup- for now.
That being said, I’d imagine that there’s at least one or two E APS-C lenses on their internal roadmap.
Aw shit, not another overpriced Zeiss branded lens. Come on Sony!
The 55 actually is perfect, and very versatile, so I might skip this – unless it can differentiate itself from the 55, like having OSS and/or render great bokeh, but the 55 is pretty perfect in this regard too…
And dont forget the 90 or 100 Macro, which will have OSS and has to be sharp as hell. Good for Portrait, too. Of course just f/2.8.
better start saving now, this lens will be $1599.99
Make it .95 and then we’ll talk. It should fit in my shirt pocket as well.
Xitek the new sony product designer 😉
Having excellent 55mm Zeiss I would probably refrain from buying this: 30mm difference is not big deal for me. This begs the choice between them, to decide which is more suitable. I prefer 55mm as more universal. But a lens with twice the focal length of 50mm would be interesting to see…
Cool buying justification bro. Tell me more about your daily consumer purchases.
I can only hope this rumor comes true. An FE 85 f/1.8 would make a lot of us very happy!
What happend to this rumor. A7 camera need a 85 mm