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yep! don’t you know? ts ts ts..
just give me more E-mount lenses (f2 or faster) so I can stick with you…Sony 😀
Sadly, they will give you more slow zooms and f/2.8 primes. They didn’t bother to show decent roadmap for their lenses anyways.
f2.8???? are you kidding, it will be f4 🙂
I realy dont have idea what is wrong with f2.8??
You should have an idea when you look at canon/nikon/leica 1.2s and 1.4s, and if you like the 2.8, stop down the 1.4 two stops down and it will give you the best performance of these primes
I’d definitely be interested in f2 lenses with oss…
24mm F2 Zeiss very likely.
Yes, we need the 100mm macro, and fast, cheap 85mm, maybe both an APS-C and FF for the 85mm.
Those two might be well coming for FE
There will be more E mount lenses. I just cannot say it will be announced on this specific date or Photokina
A99II?
Hi Andrea
Thanks for this astonishing and informative daily lunch (rumors) post!
Please for the next time, write even less information and add to your “news” post
also some “deals”!
We need more of them to change the name of the website to sonyalphadeals.com!
😉
PS:
Just write something like, likely there will be X A-Mount cameras and Y E-Mount
instead of just “There will be a big announcement!”
Thats how your website gets more and more less attractive!
Pay his bills and maybe your wishes could come true, until then; enjoy your free lunch, Nobody.
The more worthless stuff is published on a site like this, the less attractive the site becomes, and that’s it, Somebody. If the owner wants to keep the revenue up he gets from it, however limited it may be, he needs to take care that his site’s attractiveness does not deteriorate. If he continues to post worthless news items like announcements for announcements and that deal with one single camera selling for $249 instead of $299, then he can be sure that his site’s attractiveness drops further and the generated revenue will do so, too.
I can deal with the phony grey market FleaBay ‘deals’ that flood this site. Easy enough to ignore. The problem I have with them is they’ve replaced rumors. As far as rumors go, SAR has really gone down hill. Though maybe it doesn’t matter because I’m not sure how reliable they were anyway. Just fodder for people to post wish lists or complain over Sony’s mediocre lens system.
But the sight give you a place to troll, otherwise you would have no life.
He serves a free lunch, but on the dish is nothing you could eat.
It would be a much better approach, to serve nothing until the dish has something on it.
If he continues like that, it’s looking like the rumors season is right now i a drought!
This posting is so uninteresting that it on only generated 200+ comments…and it bored you so so much that you had to post a few comments yourself.
If it’s the a88 my bank manager is going to be very upset the its me…
E-mount with 5-Axis IBIS
A-mount with a moving translucent mirror
I am only interest in A99 Mk2. 🙂
5-Axis IBIS? 😛
Dual Bionz X ?
Sony needs cheap A-mount FF, cheap & fast FF 35 mm, 85mm … people are selling aps-c stuff to buy FF and Sony offers them… nothing.
28-75 is almost two times pricier than KM was, 17-35 is discontinued… happily beercan is practically indestructible 🙂
Lucky a-mount FF shooters at least have some good enough lens options. But A-mount APS-C shooter is not that lucky.
Use the FF lens on your APS-C then.
It is subpar solution. All FF zooms are good enough only where used on FF camera. There are only few very costly and heavy exceptions like 70-400G.
Absolute rubbish!
Then give me an example of your favourite FF SONY zoom lens which by your standards is great for aps-c 24mpx camera. OK, skip ZEISS.
What about the 70-300 G?
70-300G is a typical example of a lens optimized for FF. It is a good FF lens. But it is not fast enough for aps-c. It is very sharp only from 70 to 135mm when used with A77.
Skip Zeiss? Now you are limiting the 70-300 to just 70-135! Back-peddling already then.
If you can’t afford a99 and all that zeiss glass it’s not an option at all.
When I was buying my D7 full frame glass was something “normal”, apc-s lenses were called “crippled”… now aps-c is expensive as ff then, and ff is marketed (and priced) as “premium stuff” :/
Never mind, if Sony camera sell well with larger market share.
Sigma & Tamron will make more good lens for A-mount.
What currently offered lens from Tamron or Sigma is not available in an A-Mount.
The 16-50, 35/1.8 and 50/1.8 are all pretty sound choices.
A99 sells for about the same price as Nikon D610 and Canon 6D.
So according to your logic Canon and Nikon also doesn’t offer people anything.
I guess the only alternative is Sony A7 the cheapest FF camera by a big margin!
Well, the a99II is due for announcement but Admin’s been hinting at yet another FE most recently. Sony marketing is focused on FEs right now. They’ve always taken their a-mount customers for granted so I’m getting pessimistic they’ll use Photokina to showcase an a-mount FF. They’ve also consolidated the ILCE APS-C line-up so I don’t expect much in that space either.
One could really stretch things and point out Admin pictured an SLT for this rumor but I think that’s just a random jpg grab on his part and wouldn’t read anything into it.
SONY >_<MAMIYA 7 !
Is it a rumor about more rumors comming?
Dear SONY, I just want a fast sharp APS-C a-mount telephoto. Something like 55-200/3,2-4 SSM would be great. Please.
Might as well make it FF as dimensions would remain similar for telephoto lenses.
Dimensions would be different… unless equivalence is maintained… even then.
No, for example the 70-200 FE would be similar in size and weight if it would just cover an APS-C circle. The current A mount 85mm f/2.8 is FF for the same reason, an APS-C version would be similar in size and weight.
An APS-C 85 lens is very different to a FF 85mm lens. The APS-C lens is a smaller FF 135.
I’m obviously talking about a 85mm ff equiv. Just covering a smaller APS-C format wouldn’t have made the lens mentioned much if any smaller.
Can’t we get one lens longer that 210mm for the A6000 AF system? Just seems crazy that Sony doesn’t see this shortcoming in their lens lineup . . .
It takes a genius to predict that Sony’s camera division will make a new product announcement before Photokina.
How dow you keep gullible Sony fans in suspense?
I’ll tell you in late August.
Maybe it’ll be a 50 mpix sensor, something to make you moist. 🙂
Unfortunately, I don’t think Sony is going to announce anything at Photokina I’ll be interested in. They’ll focus on the FE system. I’d expected the a99II to come out at Photokina but see that as no more than a 50-50 possibility based upon Admin’s dribble of hints. Sony’s marketing tends to take a-mount customers for granted and make a-mount announcement outside of major venues.
There you go again, assuming that Sony marketing actually exists!
More gullible than you believing you spoke to a Sony Executive?
Well, if Barry talked to a Sony marketing executive it isn’t surprising the guy didn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground. ;^)
I’ll make a seperate statement just for you in November
I’d be happy with something as basic as a relatively sharp, cheap, 24mm f1.8 DT.
There’s definitely a shortage of decent affordable 24mm primes. I ended up biting the bullet and buying a used 24/2 and retiring my 16-50 (couldn’t be happier with it).
I expect RX10M2 which will just be the RX10 with 4K firmware. You will pay 300€ extra for it.
Hot breaking rumor: Sony to announce exciting new body at Photokina that’ll be 50-100% more expensive than anyone would ever expect. Wait another 6 months for rumor of $200 discounts when bundling thousands of dollars of lenses to make it ‘affordable’. Remember, you heard it here first, folks!
Rx10 mkii with SLOG and 4k? Yes please.
Yes please
IT will be the Sony A99ll with 24mp and look fugly and have the exact same numbers as the original A99, IF you don’t believe me, Check out the new A77ll that is the exact same camera as Sony a77 was. Come on Sony get real.
Well, then use both an A77 and an A77M2 – they look the same (just as D4 and D4s or a 5D … 5D Mk III) but that’s all…
Not good for marketing but it’s much better than changing all things from model to model just to look “new”….
I dunno. I much prefer the looks of an SLT over Sony’s dull, uninspired compact rectangles. Aesthetics aside, hard to deny the ergonomics of the SLT is far superior.
That said, I wouldn’t mind Sony slimming down their SLTs a bit but not as small as the old a33/a35 which went a tad too far in that direction. Since none of Sony’s ILCs are pocketable anyway, might as go for the most comfortable and efficient form factor.
Speaking of dull and uninspired, that would be an accurate self description EarlFukass.
Let me guess, you want a nex 7 successor with improved iq and AF with the same body…
…and IBIS. 🙂
A99 has superb ergonomics, why change it?
People who don’t need the ergonomics of the A99 will never understand that comment, you are wasting your time on them.
I have it and it has decent ergonomics but could do with better video controls. Also some of the much needed menu options are seriously buried and named wrong (like the ability to make the OVF see in the dark when using manual flashes)
You think “Setting Effects: Off” is wrong? I think it is a good short way of saying that the effect of settings in the EVF is “off”. 😀
What Effects? I only discovered it after seeing a youtube tutorial, though I did go through the entire manual. That said, it still takes me two minutes to find it when I need it
“Check out the new A77ll that is the exact same camera as Sony a77 was.”
Typical comment from somebody who’s never used the A77II.
I’ve been using a65 and a77 for 3 years now. About a month ago I got my hands on the a77II and I can tell you that there is no comparison between the new generation and the old. On the outside things might look almost the same. BUT – get the a77II, use it, shoot with it for real and the next time you pick up a first-gen a77 you’ll think you got sent back to the stone age. This is how drastic the improvements are. Don’t evaluate something just based on a spec sheet and numbers – use it for yourself and you’ll know how much better the a77II is.
If this is true…and I pray to God that it isn’t…..I will sell all my alpha glass tomorrow. A 24MP A99II without the 36MP is an insult at this point. But since the A77II announcement, as good as it is, I’ve been thinking the same thing. WARMOVER!
So in other words, you’ve never used an A77II?
There is no comparison. The A77II has a much larger buffer, insanely good AF system with killer action tracking, much better sensor (1-2 stops improvement), Much better jpg engine, AF range limiter built in that works with any lens, etc etc etc.
It’s not an earth shattering camera (no camera really is anymore), but it is absolutely a worthy successor to the A77 and offers serious upgrades.
16-70, f2.8 emount, SAME SIZE as f4
Not going to happen – it’s f4 for a reason…
i know i was just dreaming, theres no innovation in lenses past century, they all bulky as hell, i keep my f4 though:)
duh it would be too big, but come on it would be a gamechanger, instead of innovations in sensor biz all the time we need innovations in lens biz too.
Sony A7, A7R, A7S in Pink
That will be Kai Edition~ Exclusive through DigitalRev only~
so boring……. sony maybe will do new camera and anf lens …….hahahah… kkkkk…..
Will be nice, A99 like a A7s but 24megapixel and 4k… and 28-300 zeiss f4. I wanna stop to spen thousend dollars..
Just dream! Guys moneys is theses days are so hard do win and save…. i will keep my A99, A77 for a lot of years… i can a lot of work with my set…. 10mm fisheye, 50mm minolta, 85mm zeiss, 16-35……. and have a backup a560 with 17-50
It’s a 12 mp a99 version of the a7s but with a improved ibis and internal 4k.
Wish it was the 16mp sensor from the d4s but would have had more moire
I bet it is a modular 6MP Medium Format that spot the world first ISO 1,638,400 capable sensor with 5-Axis IBIS technology lend from Olympus. The lens mount part is interchangeable whereby with supplied adapter can switch between A-mount, E-mount, or 43/m43 mount or classic screw mount but with the flange adjustable~!!! This will be EPIC~!!!
It will be a fourth e-mount full frame within a year. Perhaps a quick refresh of the a5000, as Sony keeps cranking out e-mounts.
While entry level a-mount is overdue. While the a99– not totally outdated, is starting to look very stale compared to the a77ii and the a7 series.
The problem with the a99 is Sony went cheap and used a 24mp sensor so it immediately looked stale to the Nikon d800 using the far superior Sony 36mp sensor. Not to mention porting (the wrong) bits of the a77 AF wasn’t exactly inspired.
Using the 36mpx sensor in A99 would be wrong. High ISO would suck.
Like it does on the a7R and Nikon d800/d810? Is the a99 anything to write home about?
In SLT the sensor gets about 30% less light then in mirrorless.
No it doesn’t!
It really does!
But in reply to Marek, in terms of ISO the 36mp sensor in the A7R performs better than the 24mp sensor in the A7. More megapixels doesn’t automatically mean poorer ISO performance.
Yes, but at pixel level noise is higher. It is more difficult to post process. I hate noise in skin tones.
DXO low light score:
D810 : 2853 ISO
A7R : 2746 ISO
A99 II with SLT, will approx.: 2250 ISO
Currently, A99 score is : 1555 ISO
Nothing wrong with 24 mp — I prefer it to 36mp. 36mp files are just too big and cumbersome. 24mp is more than enough for cropping option plus huge prints.
But yes– the AF system is very stale.
Canon is a real puzzle. Better marketing? Better system support? Momentum of huge customer base? Reputation? Ability to still impress reviewers by milking additional bits from tired old tech?
EarlFukass, the man with all the answers.
You mean the man with all the trolling bullsh*t.
You are completely right!
Trollers will troll.
Yup.
No puzzle about Canon. The 5Diii is a great camera. It has plenty of resolution — We are at the point where more resolution isn’t necessarily any better. Price being the same, I’d take 20-24MP over 36MP, any day.
The 5Diii has a very good AF system — Certainly better than the A99.
For action shooting, it has the same burst rate as the A99, but a much better buffer than the A99.
Finally — image quality. Too many people put too much attention on DXOMark scores, which show mediocre dynamic range at base ISO, and which lists ISO as only 2300 or so..
That only tells part of the story — according to many other assessments, the 5diii greatly outperforms the A99 and the Nikon D600/800 at high ISO. Once you get into truly high ISO, the Canon has lower noise and more dynamic range than the Sony and Nikon fullframe cameras.
The A99 certainly is a great camera, I love it. But the success of the Canon 5diii is no mystery — it’s a great fullframe camera as well.
And the better support system, huge customer base, etc — they don’t hurt either.
Well said mate. But be aware of kids here, they will call you troll as this is the only reply they have
I agree with you in principle on key points like higher MP doesn’t necessarily equate with better IQ. However, the Nikon 810 and the Sony a7R using Sony’s 36MP sensor make the Canon EOS 5D Mark III show its age.
I’m not a huge fan of DxO where some will thump their chests over a couple of points difference for bragging rights. However, it can be useful and it clearly shows a lot of separation in quality between the Nikon 810 and the Sony a7R with the Canon EOS 5D Mark III. The Canon was the gold standard for quite a long haul but it’s past its prime, IMHO.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III___963_917_795
I think you nailed it on Canon’s key to success is an outstanding ecosystem. Sony marketing please take note!
Again, you’re putting too much stock into partial statistics.
The Sony sensors get better noise performance and dynamic range than Canon only up to around ISO 800. From around 800-3200, it’s roughly a tie between the sensors. Once you go over about 3200, the Canon sensors actually outperform the Sony sensors in dynamic range and noise. Sony sensors are fantastic at very low ISO, but Canon sensors are actually better at high ISO.
If I was picking between the a7r, the d810, and the 5diii– and if the prices were the same–I’d take the 5diii.
No puzzle here… the simple answer is skin tones, if you shoot people a lot, nothing can beat Canon’s color rendition, of course with medium format been excluded.
I find Canon’s skin tones unbearably ruddy personally, But to each their own. Canon is laughing their way to the bank regardless.
So did the 5D MkIII too I guess.
See the world ‘THROUGH’ an OVF… rather than ‘ON’ an EVF.
40mp a900Ti please with optical view, intelligent preview, and the iISO shoe.
Most people do not want an optical viewfinder. EVF is one of the benefits of mirrorless. Get used to it or jump ship.
If Sony would do the A900II and just finally give what I think most alpha users want they’d sell like hot cakes. A99II doesn’t have to be another SLT experiment anymore. They have all the latest tech in their e-mount line up. I’ll take a hybrid EVF/OVF as well. Know your customers Sony!
In terms of EVF/OVF Sony know their customers want EVF, they have done since the A55 was a unexpected success. It’s why Sony went on to put an EVF into the A77.
In terms of EVF vs OVF Sony know their customers want EVF, they have done
since the A55 was a unexpected success. It’s why Sony went on to put one into the A77.
I would never trade an EVF & SLT for an OVF and a flappy mirror.
I could move to mirrorless, when the tech matures sufficiently, but no way I am going back to tech from last century.
Mirrorless a-mount would be the ideal camera.
A7R + LAEA4
you still have a mirror in that combo.
They make a version without a mirror, it’s called the LAEA3
I know, I was just pointing out that you put LAEA4 (the one with the mirror) in your combo description.
Also I don’t know if the LAEA 3 maintains all the abilities of A-mount lenses.
Well, he did say mirrorless camera – not mirrorless setup.
The adapter maintains all abilities.
Kind of like the a900 flew off store shelves. But wait..
It did well, but it didn’t break into the Canon and Nikon market. Why? It underperformed in ISO…it was noiser in terms of operation and it had a significantly less shutter life than the competition. But, within it’s performance range its was fantastic. Sony has the tech now to pack a redo with state of the art performance that exceeds the competition outside resolution. That’s my take on it anyway.
It’s not about ISO, it’s about system as a whole. No robust flash system with radio triggers, no pro support, lack of lenses.
Are you on crack!!! Sony FF system has always been top notch.
The A900 came out at 1/2 the price of Canon’s, and Nikon’s Full Frame models, at the time.
The A900 also launched with the best 24-70mm, 135mm, 85mm, lenses you can buy (and still buy) and a highly regarded set of Minolta G-Series 70-400mm, and 70-200mm.
Not on crack- I’ve shot thousands of pictures with the A900 and am well aware of it’s abilities. YOu mention price, this has nothing to do with it’s performance. Yes, the lenses you mentioned are great- but Canon adn Nikon have their own stellar performers as well.
The A99 I own makes my A850 look thoroughly antiquated. However I have four years of experience with the A850, which is more important.
I’d buy both. The A990 (better name) for pure photography, and the A99II for most of the video work that seems to be taking up more of my time lately.
If Sony sold a DSLR, alongside the A99II it probably wouldn’t sell that well its video capability would be weaker, and the difference in DSLR/SLT in ISO capabilities isn’t as great as it was five years ago. Like DxO said, “The difference ISO capabilities between the A77II, and its DSLR competition is virtual negligible”
These new full frames are going to really outclass the competition like the A900 did when it first launched. Apparently the newer mirror will be onboard one or both models, and it requires less than 20% of a full frames light to operate the PDAF.
The A99II will probably clock in around 2,283 ISO (DxO Score) with the new mirror, which is virtual the same as the 5D MK III’s 2,293 (DxO Score)
That’s why I sold my a900. I didn’t care for the focusing and feature set. The intellegent preview was solid- but not even close to what an EVF or even liveview could do. The ISO frankly sucked as well and I didn’t find the noise pleasing. I loved the battery life and overall ergonomics but time to move on. I’d like to see a hybrid OVF/EVF from Sony but it isn’t going to happen. I’m not going to hold on to a camera though just for an OVF.
“The A99II will probably clock in around 2,283 ISO (DxO Score) with the new mirror, which is virtual the same as the 5D MK III’s 2,293 (DxO Score)”.
LOL
You are so trolling us.
Dumbass!!! Your the only troll on the forum today.
“You’re” one of the worst trolls here. Fact.
Ah baby GBC is the Big Bad WAT being a meanie.
Hint, maybe you should troll somewhere else!!!
Listen, “Graham Be Crackers”maybe you can do us all a favour and take your troll @$$ somewhere else, “biach”.
No.
LMAO………….GBC must be our new SAR troll.
Sony users wanting an OVF are a minority, move with the times or find another brand.
I still use my A900 heaps. Sure, it’s high ISO sucks balls by 2014 standards, but a lot of us don’t need to shoot at elevated ISOs all the time. Shooting on a tripod, the only reason I can see to use an A99 over it would be for magnified live view focusing.
Personally, I prefer EVF rather than OVF.
And it is the reason why I stay in Sony Camp.
Otherwise, if you like OVF, get the D810 🙂
canon also a big
The biggest rumor I would love to hear is Xperia using an APS-C sensor. Just that one little advancement of technology and I would be forever grateful to Sony.
Isn’t Xperia their phone line? In what world does a phone have an APS-C sensor?
An ideal world.
And global shutter.
😀 😀 😀
1 inch is also okay for me XDD
Not many guys would say that. Kudos to you for being ok with that. 😉
APS-C E-mount camera with 4K, A3000 form factor, with A6000 (or faster) focusing speed.
NEX-7 full frame, faster focusing would be nice.
A99II would be nice, but two A mount full frames (high end, lower end) would be better.
Low end A-mount, same size as A58 would be great (heck, the A-58 is severely underappreciated).
70-400G lens for E mount would be NICE!
RX-10II with 4K video, faster focusing.
85mm 1.8 for E mount and A mount full frame, low cost series. 35mm as well.
My wish list, but who really knows?
This guy has the right idea. An APS-C 4K camera would sell better than a full frame one, imo.
And a rangefinder styled full-frame fe-mount camera? Sell like hotcakes.
RX10 is still better than the FZ1000. An RX10II would be one of the best small, cheap documentary cameras on the market.
An 85/1.8 OSS FE would be a godsend. Bust so would a proper 50 OSS FE.
A 5-axis sensor-stabalized camera would be the tops, though. Or a global shutter.
Barrycam???
Other Barrycam?
??????????????
I think the Barrycam is the multiple layer and/or 54MP camera you mentioned in several of your posts.
Correct..however the name Barrycam is already in use for another product therefore we technically need to call it Barry Sensor.
I hear Sony has come up with a title for this years Photokina presentation. It’s no longer called the year of the alpha as you could imagine. It’s called, “Year of the Warmover.”
What exactly did they warm over this year? None of the a7 cameras are warmovers. a6000 is not either. The a77II crushes the a77, just use it for a few hours and you’ll know what I’m talking about. What warmovers exactly have you noticed?
People are really starting to warm to the A7 system
A Sony beating its 3 years old predecessor… wow. What about.. uhm.. maybe, but just maybe comparing Sony and their prices to Canon / Nikon / Ricoh? Especially European prices. A77II (body only) costs the same as K3 + 18-135mm fully weather sealed lens or D7100 + 18-105mm + cheaper + much better lens lineup. Sony should wake up and start thinking about its camera business as a system and stop bombarding people with random half baked bodies. Sit down, get your stuff together. Build. Market. Sell. Profit. Don’t push a prototype just ‘cos it’s new from one perspective, because customers will look at it as a whole.
Pentax longer FL zoom or longer FL prime range is pathetic, even compared to Sony. Their f/2.8 zooms have a much worse reputation too in terms of optical qualities.
Do you actually know something about the upcoming products or are you just talking out of you as*. Don’t answer, it’s a rhetorical question, you’re talking out of your as*.
I’m talking out my asss.
That’s a skill few can master. 😉
It’s great when you can prompt a troll to troll himself.
I’m not talking off topic, it’s not meant to create discord on this thread. It’s a personal statement regarding what I feel about Sony’s direction. It’s also what I’m afraid might happen at Photokina. Don’t like it- don’t care. The most annoying comments on here are from people who just have to let you know the word “trolling” is apart of their vocabulary. If you want to eat rainbows and fart skittles go on the Canon rumors site. Otherwise, showing a little dissatisfaction with a camera system you’ve invested thousands in shouldn’t be a problem.
Change your name to NegativeNancy.
BTW, I meant, you turned the joke back on *your* troll. Not that you were trolling.
Well now I feel like an asss. Sorry, bad day at work. Thanks for the clarification!
No worries, it happens! My post was a little ambiguous now that I look at it.
So you’re a troll, just like EarlFukass.
Oh, be nice to the trolls, they a really quite lovable characters just like … um well some of us, and only want better equipment in the end for all of us, it’s like your big brother giving you a snuggy just to keep you on your toes for the real foes. Ignorance, pride, selfishness, anger, etc..
When did Sony ever call any year the “year of the alpha?”
Medium format mirrorless.
If that’s the case I think it would spread their market out too much. They are already thin on quality lenses compared to the other guys. Creating a whole new mount would slow down the lens releases for the other mounts.
New mount is probably not a need. Just put this new MF sensor in a99… even the slt mirror probably can be used… they achieved to build full frame laea4 which is… 23(?) mm thick. Such MF a99 could work in crop mode with A-mount lenses, take MF glass through the adaptors, and finally they can build couple MF lenses.
It would, which is exactly why Sony would do it 😉
One advantage is it will be like the E mount. Meaning, you can use an adapter on it and use any medium for glass. People will buy it.
Just a 6×6 medium format sensor they plan on licensing to Hasselblad would be fine. And a concomitant announcement by H-blad to use the sensor in a V-system back that’s priced less than $10k.
As well as Pentax is using it. I think that it will be much lower than 10k. More like around 6 to 7 grand is what I’m thinking. Pentax has the best price so far. Around 9k.
That would be ideal, but Pentax doesn’t have a 6 x 6 at this point. No one does, as far as I know, outside of scanning backs.
But yes, that would be awesome. It wouldn’t even have to have that many megapixels. Something in the 20 to 30 megapixel range would be awesome. I would sell every other camera I own for something like that.
It’ll be a long time before we see anything close to a 56mm x 56mm sensor that mere mortals can afford, that sort of thing will remain in the realm of single-day-rentals and owned-by-your-press-agency for a long while yet.
But that said, I think there’s a market for an obtainable “full frame plus” type camera with a mass produced version of Sony’s 44mm x 33mm sensor for those who want to step up but don’t want to pay a five digit sum or have their camera owned by someone else. I very much doubt the likes of Hasselblad, Leica and Phase One will be the ones to deliver such a camera, though, they have a vested interest in their low volume, high margin business structures. It’ll be one of the Japanese mass market companies who do it, if it happens.
FF is not for everyone. What Sony need to make is serious APS-C E-mount camera, a NEX-7 in an A7 type body filled with all the latest technology and named A7000.
If Sony finally is ready with the long time rumored 30+MP APS-C sensor it can also be used. Or saved for a top of the line APS-C E-mount camera with the name A9000.
Not that I have high expectations for this coming at Photokina this year. Nor am I against further FF cameras and am interested seeing a new “A99II” as well as II-versions of A7 and A7R.
But as good as FF is, the biggest market by a big margin for system cameras will always be for smaller than FF sensors, and there Sony currently doesn’t have anything competing with Fujifilm X-T1, Olympus E-M1 and Panasonic GH-4.
I dunno. The A7 is very close in price to those three models. Yes, I agree FF is not for everyone but the A7 is basically a FF model that plays in the high-end crop market. The A6000 is also so good (and so much cheaper than those three models) that all the A7000 could add are the few features Sony took away from the A6000 (large EVF, level, etc.) it is doubtful it would improve IQ at all since the A6000 is already better or as-good-as those three models.
With 24MP we got past the point where IQ matters. Instead it is the handling and functions of the cameras that makes the difference.
I don’t think Fujifilm users think X-T1 was an unneccessary camera despite it using the same sensor as the X-E2.
A7 only offer 10MP in APS-C crop. And while the APS-C crop for A7R is 16MP that is still not 24MP and price is much higher. Price for a A7000 should be lower than for a A7.
I think the features an A7000 could add, like a better EVF, different controls, like A7, bigger LCD, possibility to add a vertical grip, and being generally more comfortable to hold with bigger lenses as well as some new improvements very well would be enough for many to upgrade.
A slightly bigger A6000 with large EVF and 4K Slog, That’s it, something will click inside me.
A genuine question (not sarcastic) but why is full frame not for everyone- I can only see advantages over a smaller sensor (except perhaps more rolling shutter)
Because of price, size and weight.
While Sony A7 is quite small most lenses for FF are big and heavier than comparable lenses (with same f-stop and angle of view) for smaller sensors.
FF cameras are at least 2-3 times more expensive than the cheapest system cameras with OVF/EVF. So is out of the budget for most people.
FF sensors naturally have better IQ than smaller sensors. But for most smaller sensors are good enough.
FF advocates often claim FF has a Depth Of Field Advantage. For photos with small DOF that is true. But that also ignores the DOF disadvantage when larger DOF is preferred. FF is simply a less forgiving format that is more difficult to handle.
There is no DOF disadvantage, since on a FF sensor of the same MP count as APSC sensor, diffracrion begins to set in exactly 1 stop further. And since there is a 1 stop DOF and ISO noise advantage between APSC and FF, the following is true:
f/2@ISO1600 on FF = f/1.4@ISO800 on APSc
On a 24mp sensor, diffraction limit on APSc is f8, when on FF it is f11
However, there are many f/1.4 lenses for FF, while barely any at f/1.0 and larger for APSc to match DOF.
So based on this, FF has advantage in quality and DOF capabilities, while having a disadvantage in price, size and weight.
1 more thing I forgot to mention. Due to a sensor size difference, FF system has more options for wider AOV, while Crop has more telephoto options.
Considering the FF, 135 film format is more than 100 years old its not surprising there are more lenses for FF. But except for circular Fishey and wide Tilt-Shift lenses what is missing? The Sigma 8-16mm APS-C lens is pretty wide. I don’t know of any FF non-fishey lens wider than 12mm. Do you?
First of all I said FF has a DOF disadvantage in conjunction being less forgiving.
The photographer must simply be much more careful setting up the camera and choose the correct focus point to get everything of the object(-s) within DOF.
With cameras having smaller sensors that is easier the smaller the sensor is.
What you write sounds alright in theory. But in praxis it can be a different thing.
Lenses with different optics can have different DOF at the same f-stop even if they cover the same AOV on the same camera.
And in real life the apparent difference at 100% can be more than one stop to achieve the same DOF with FF compared to APS-C using a lens with same AOV for both cameras.
Diffraction limit for different formats is also just theoretical. In practise many APS-C lenses perform as good or even better than FF lenses at same aperatures for the same AOV. Which means the APS-C lens can be used at an aperature where it performs better than the FF lens.
And what do you do when your lens only can close down to f16 and you need f22, f32 or even f45? Some types of photos are in practise only possible with sensors much smaller than FF.
Many DOF-calcultors ignore resolution and pixel pitch of sensors. For them A D700 and a D810 and even the 135 film format will give the same DOF field. For a small print yes. But pixel peep and the differences will be apparent.
On a FF sensor, especially with a high MP count, the gradual transition from sharp to unsharp starts earlier because of better resolution. If it wasn’t for diffraction and the lenses and sensors had much higher resolution a FF 50 mm lens, even stopped down, would only appear fully sharp at the focus point when viewed at 100%.
I said myself FF has an advantage for creating photos with thin DOF. If that is the purpose then a FF camera is the better choice. Therefore I see no reason to match f1.4 FF lenses with aperature equivalent lenses for smaller sensor formats. Because such a lens will be at least as big, if not bigger, as the equivalent FF lens and propably much more expensive. That defeats the purpose of using a smaller format.
When I was little, even my cheap plastic cameras where 35mm.
Something like this could be reality again if digital sensors become cheap enough.
If you’re going to be cropping anyway (shooting birds or what not) then there’s no reason to pay for a full frame over an equivalent APS camera unless it has some other feature you need.
On the other hand, sensor size is the primary determinant of depth of field, so if you like subject isolation you’d be paying hand over foot for fast glass to get that look with a small sensor camera.
So really, it depends on what and how you shoot, and what would be the right camera for *you* is not necessarily what would be the right camera for someone else (or else every single person in the world would be shooting a Canon 5D, which would just be horrible). This won’t of course stop random people on the internet telling you you want something because *they* want as they truly believe that all other people must think the same things they do.
>Sony currently doesn’t have anything competing with Fujifilm X-T1, Olympus E-M1 and Panasonic GH-4
Olympus/Panasonic have smaller sensors (2x crop vs 1,5x), so they are not competitors to NEX.
Fuji X-T1 is a APS-C camera for a price of an FF camera (close to A7).
What’s there to think about?
I could make it more clear by saying Sony doesn’t have a mirrorfree camera with smaller than FF sensor with a DSLR alike build.
M4/3 surely are competing for the same customers with APS-C mirrorfree cameras despite their smaller sensors.
X-T1 is still cheaper and the A7 have been longer on the market and therefore lost more in price. Original release MSRP was a $400 difference, 1699 versus 1299.
Many still will prefer a camera with APS-C sensor even if size and price of the camera is not that different. Se my answer below.
The idea that only cameras with the same sensor size are competitors is ridiculous. Most people choose a camera based on its features, handling and price. Only gearheads are completely hung up on sensor size.
Do you seriously believe that no consumers ever make a choice between a m43 and an APS-C camera?
What I would like to see is more rolling shutter. Contrary to what others say, I find rolling shutter very pleasing. I hope Sony will keep giving us more rolling shutter than we actually need. i congratulate the bosses at Sony for achieving such a remarkable rolling shutter which makes my 4k video shot on an external recorder completely usable. Thank you Sony for getting the basics straight..
An A9000 designed as A6000 with a good APS-C sensor, additional grip, new external flash unit, ultra fast AF, silent shutter choice, 5-axis stabilization is a must! Than Sony competes to FUJI and Olympus and Panasonic.
I am really hoping its the same a7s sensor in an a mount with 5 axis stabilisation.. would be absolutely perfect!!
Yes, it will be perfect.
But I don’t need 4k video.
Yeah – I agree:) Nice to have it but not too bothered right now.
IBIS for the A7r. That would be the perfect camera for legacy glass.
The camera that admin is referring too is likely the A88, which is the 24mp version of the A99II, and may spoil Photokina 2014 for Canon, and Nikon, because it apparently is capable of 12 fully focused shots per second, and has better ISO capabilities than the 5D MKIII for under 2K.
The A88 is likely focused on speed rather than megapixel count, which is what most of the semi-pro Wildlife, and Sports photographers have been asking for. It probably optimized for the 400mm f/4 which will probably be launched at Photokina as well (and hopefully light enough combo to be used on the Jobu Jr3)
I doubt the A99II will be launched prior to the show, because Sony wants it to steal the show. It’s the only camera large enough in Sony’s lineup that capable of housing the larger CPU required to encode, and decode 4K without melting the camera body. Its highly likely that it feature a 36mp or better sensor (Sony has been working on a 54mp CMOS sensor, and not Berries’s warp drive sensor), but its optimized for SLT.
Hopefully they’ll be smart enough to integrate the vertical grip into the body this time, because if they’re setting the A99 up to be their HALO camera it’s going to have to look the part.
Cause Sony has been ensuring that FF SLT cameras (since the launch of the A900) have the potential to outperform Canon models that cost 2x more. I have no doubt Sony will carry on this tradition.
So an A9s @12 MP ? and Later on, -r
That’s a nice dream, with the emphasis on the word “dream”.
That dream is going to become reality within less than four weeks dumbass!!!
I doubt most of what you’re saying is what Photokina has in store but I like where you’re going. Ever think of running Sony marketing?
I could if they asked me nicely. I’ve been in and out of marketing and sales game for over 20 years. I started out when I was 19 years old (well before I finished my degree in it).
The only chance Sony does have to steal the show is with the Barry Sensor.
I’m with you.
Oh if it will become true It will be the ideal event pr kind of work camera, I will be in for that
Wow. There is a ring of truth to what you are saying. Can’t wait.
the more vague the rumors the better so people just post what they have in mind
So funny. So true.
Buuuut, meanwhile over at Canon Watch… crickets… “rumors of a 29mm f/2.8 L lens”… crickets… “want to learn how to shoot with a dslr? click here”… crickets….
You do realize they have everything already
It would be nice of Sony came out with an “Enthusiast” line of A and E mount lenses. For the A mount, it would consist of full frame:
400mm f4
85mm f2
35mm f2
16-50mm f4
This series of lenses do not need to be as robust as the G or Zeiss lenses. Make them lightweight and affordable.
For the E mount, they may want to provide (all full frame)
85mm f2
35mm f2
24mm f2.8
All with OSS, Make them affordable (not necessarily cheap)
+1
I’d be first in line for 35/2 and 85/2
Affordable lenses? What’s gotten into you? We all know those are just for enthusiasts anyway. Wait, are you outing yourself on SAR as not part of the full-frame future or current professional photographer’s club? You’re okay with stating that you aren’t a would-be or wanna-be pro? You’re going to get flamed here buddy. Bad. Wouldn’t wanna be you. Zeiss or Die!
Check out legacy Minolta lenses – many are high quality and highly affordable.
Hasselblad Cosmos, with Neil DeGrass Tyson, an A7R made of space shuttle glass
Looking forward to A99II with faster auto focusing system and wider array of focus points. Also with XAVC-S video codec or better yet internal 4K..
I just like the way the A99 feels in the hands. It really is a good all around camera despite it’s minor flaws IMO. No one has mentioned it, but I wonder if Sony will keep the overall look and feel.
Given th a77ii, I’d guess that’s a yes. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
I totally agree with you the A99 does feel great in the hands. I think it’s a great camera that is underrated. I do hope they improve the start up time . It also would be really nice if Sony released firmware for us a99 users that would address the slow start up time.
The A99II update will be just like the A77II’s. Sony’s just identifying, and addressing all of the shortcomings of the original model, and leaving the rest as is.
I expect to see a 36mp sensor, a Full Frame version of the A77II outstanding AF system with at least 40% coverage, a massive increase in burst rates over the previous model, A faster start-up time, and a substantial increase in ISO capability. With a price tag south of 2K.
You got me up until the price tag south of 2K. That would be AWESOME! Day one purchase- period. I seriously want to believe that but can’t see it happening. But then again…the A77II debuted at a much lower price than it’s predecessor. Oh man, that would be so freaking awesome.
Yeah that is why I just canceled my second a99 order. I need a backup body and the99 is really cheap these days but I want to get the new one with the a77ii kinda af if possible.
40% autofocus cover is outstanding??? I guess compared to 9% it probably would seem that way, though.
Count me amoung the crazy flat-earthers who would like to see 90%+ in a pro level body. And there’s no reason a comparitively cheap EVF should be smaller than an expensive glass pentaprism like the one in the A900, either.
Re: The headline that I “cannot afford to miss any of the upcoming Photokina rumors!”
Quite the opposite is true, actually. I’m more afraid of not being able to afford Photokina’s rumors than I am of missing them.
+1
I’m already readying the account. The decision to buy the A88 or A99II has already been approved. I’m just waiting for, “The other shoe to drop”.
I kinda of feel sorry for the mirror-less folk, cause the new A-Mount’s will likely be stealing the spotlight for the foreseeable future.
Because nobody here owns both systems, right? That’s the problem with your consistently conspicuous insecurities regarding A-mount’s future – you see it as an Us vs Them situation.
Relatively few A mount users …yes there are a few….use E mount because of compatability issues. ..particularly the lack of IBIS.
There’s probably quite a few of us who would be prepared to move over (eventually) if there were models with IBIS. The decision to not include it was pretty much an ideological decision on Sony’s part, rather than something that makes any business sense.
The primary reason a lot of us have stuck with A mount through thick and thin (more or the thin than the thick, to be fair) is because of our lens investment. Now that on-sensor autofocus is a relatively mature technology Sony very much could offer an E mount camera that offered a user experience more or less the same as an A mount camera, motored mount adaptor notwithstanding. As of yet they have offered nothing to suggest the plan to make such a camera. And so this wholly unnecessary Balkanisation of their camera lineup continues, with both userbases blaming the other for the lack of resources being invested in their mount.
If they had oss on reasonably fast primes (f2 or faster) then I’d think about it quite seriously
Its like the events leading up to are bringing out their insecurities, Graham B Cracker is probably the worst example on the forum. Complete e-troll.
How can I be an e-troll when I own both A an e mounts?
Brwat… I notice you’ve been making a lot of statements with near certainty… That Sony will be releasing xyz, and it will “apparently” have abc…
You speaking based on any source, or just speculating wildly like everyone else?
@BRAT most definitely has a source. He worked in the marketing department for a massive electronics retail chain that has been selling SLR for years.
If he’s saying a new SLR on the horizon he’s probably already seen the Power Point Slides.
Its funny how he/she called the specs for the A77II down to the new PDAF, and ISO performance six months before Admin did.
Pretty well sums up Sony Photokina’s A-Mount presentation. The A88 launch, and the Sony Imaging PRO support being rolled out in Europe, and North America.
Zeiss 85mm f/1.8 FE lens
I need the a99 or its successor very soon, and also want a9 or a7r with better a6000type of af
Well, hope for this fall but prepare for October 2015.
where’s sony FE 16-35mm F4 OSS ???????
I am furious at this delay! This sort of foot-dragging is two-pounds in a one-pound sack! The lack of an ultra-wide zoom is truly aggravating! I’m sick of this converter-mania!
I won’t buy any sony product until I can get my hands on a UWZ. If I’ve to use an adapter then it negates all the portability advantage and also increases price and decreases performance. I’ll keep my nikon gear tkx.