A new source reported that the name of the first curved sensor FF camera could be “RX1s”. It features a very compact Zeiss 35mm f/1.8 lens. He also said the curved sensor will allow a “Sensitivity performance almost similar to A7S.“.
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If it turns out to be true, this will probaly be the camera that tips the scale and makes me buy my first fixed lens camera in many years.
Wow, if it comes with EVF, it’ll be a street photographer dream camera.
Street photography does not need any kind of VF.
Does it need a camera?
+1
A hotshoe mounted OVF is perfectly suited for street photography.
Hip level is the right way. That is the way most street shooting pros recommend. Eye level is:
1) kinda intimidating for strangers
2) not the best POV for 35mm (FF) and wider
What if you are a midget?
Any kind of VF doesn’t suit street photography at all. Hip level shooting is the way to go.
It is time.
hmmm would it be similar 12 megapixel then?
It’ll probably be higher resolution, just cause the curved sensor allows more optimum light path.
“Sony said the Full Frame curved sensor prototype has not the resolution of current FF Sony sensors.” Aaron might be right.
And it only improves peripheral illumination.
I’m still bummed the RX-1s will not have killer resolution. With the inherent noise advantage of the curved senser, they could have stuffed more MPx into the teeny-terror.
“Almost similar”… like kinda sorta not quite maybe
Spot on…that’s
a definite possible maybe.
I think it unlikely that Sony will give the revolutionary curved sensor, FF compact the same model name as its 2 year old predecessor.
I would say it’s likely that a bent sensor has lower resolution, because the bending process likely destroys some pixels so high density is a bit out of question due to yield issues. This is inline with the previous articles stating that the curved sensors will not have high resolution.
But it will still be great if the RX1s will be as small as the RX100 and feature great video capabilities (not necessarily 4K, but it should have low moiré and low rolling shutter effect).
However it’s hilarious that all the new Sony cameras don’t have 4K but Sony advertises 4K like crazy at the 2014 FIFA World Cup.
they mainly advertise their 4K TV line not their cams. An for the audience targeted during the world cup if they want to shoot 4K they first look at a camcorder rather than a still camera.
Also funny all the photographers wearing Sony logos but using Canikon gear
but very clever. People watching the game see the Sony logo but how many of them are able to to recognize a Canon or Nikon cam? Almost none they just think pro photographers shoot with Sony’s gear.
Also the all world cup is shoot with Sony video cameras HD and 4K,so…
Maybe that is the case for the general public, but for the target market of pro photographers, they are probably more closely looking at the cameras other pros are using.
Hilarious? Do you know what I find hilarious in the ongoing 4K debate? It’s all those amateurs and enthusiast who moans about 4K cameras but dont have a clue about the technical requirements for working with the files. For starters, 4K is about resolution, sharpness and clarity, and that is achieved if you shoot in an extremely high bitrate lossy format or raw. Since I started working with 2K and 2.5K raw and 4K prores (from BMPC, BMCC and BMPCC), I struggle to understand why anyone who is not not on a pro level ever would consider spending the time, effort and money needed.
Dont take this personally Kevin, I’m not accusing you of anything. You might be a pro videographer for all I know, I just wanted to vent a little.
agreed. And most of the people who moans of the lack of 4K don’t realize how large a 4K file is and how much of computing power you need to edit them.
If Sony give them 4K ability they would moan about how Sony emptied their wallet with a bunch of large capacity SD cards.
Sorry but I didn’t say I want or need 4K. In fact, I think 1080p is fine for most people’s needs including mine. I said it’s hilarious to advertise 4K so much when your new consumer products don’t support 4K.
Erm, AX100 does? Did it say something about ALL their products supporting 4K? And in what capacity? Did it mention a product at all, because it seems they are promoting a technology rather than a product.
“Because the bending process likely destroys some pixels”
Are you serious!?!
No, I was just messing with you, did you really believe me ? 🙂 In fact the bending process has 100% yield, when they said they only managed to bend 100 sensors until now they were joking, and Sony is ready to flood the market with cheap sub-$1000 full-frame cameras with curved sensors.
Sounds impressive! First SR2 in a while too. Love it. Keep em coming 🙂
So, how good of an investment it is then to buy FE lenses?
fixed lens camera right now. It seem that they are not able to produce an ILC with this kind of sensor in the near future.
Need a bendable sensor that can adapt his curvature accordingly to the focal of the lens, a little bit like the Samsung TV that can go flat to curve.
If Sony can do that (varying the curvature to a flat sensor) then old lens design will also work.
We are a long way from bendable sensors. A long way.
very far away, that’s why investing is in FE lenses is a relative secure investment.
A new mount for an ILC that would accomodate the curve sensor won’t happen anytime soon.
Well if curved sensors ‘are’ the future… no current lenses would be a good investment.
Recycling rumors?
I think only a day before Photokina there will be any news on the A7m?
Similar sensitivity due to the curved sensor or because it’s a similar resolution? The last rumour implied that they can’t deliver high resolution on a curved sensor, but didn’t give a ball park figure…
I estimated this performance at 4.7.2014 true different information’s from this sensor here 😉
http://www.photografix-magazin.de/blog/2014/07/04/erstes-beispielbild-von-sonys-gebogenem-sensor-aufgetaucht/
There is no estimating the effect of more pixels from the RX1s to the noise. (The Nikon D4s has with 4 MP more much more noise in the photos in the highest ISO’s, but the curved sensor has a better luminance efficacy)
I’m have a little hope, the noise and the red/violett light on the left is to be less than the a7s.
|Sorry, but there is something very odd about this rumour. Given the radical change of size and design this camera will probably have, I find it highly unlikely it will be called the RX1s.
Just doesn’t sound right to me.
I estimated this performance at 4.7.2014 true different information’s from this sensor here 🙂
http://www.photografix-magazin…
There is no estimating the effect of more pixels from the RX1s to the noise. (The Nikon D4s has with 4 MP more much more noise in the photos in the highest ISO’s, but the curved sensor has a better luminance efficacy)
I think the better luminance efficacy compensate the more pixels, result the noise is similar to the a7s.
BUT, I’m have a little hope, the noise and the red/violett light on the left is to be less than the a7s 🙂
And give me a built in EVF, and we can cut a deal. No EVF, no talking.
Yes. With an EVF, this would be an essential camera for anybody who shoots. There will be no escaping this camera. With the EVF, this will be a legend in photography world. Without the EVF, just another fancy toy with questionable usefulness.
A popup EVF like the one on RX100 MkIII would tip the scale. Make it articulated too and I’m totally sold. But it’s probably too much to ask.
don’t need articulated EVF if this camera has LCD articulated 🙂
I often use the EVF for shooting outdoors in bright light, where the LCD is hard to see. When I used the FDA-EV1S on my 5N, it was almost always tilted up a bit. Miss it a lot when shooting with my A7R.
The RX1 is already a ‘legend’, without a built-in EVF. I would also take issue with your “just another fancy toy with questionable usefulness” comment.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a built-in EVF. I just think your comments are subjective.
It’s not a big deal. In fact, I find using the back LCD to be in many cases a better experience than the EVF.
EVF is way more quicker to compose.Just way more instinctual.
Hmmm, I’d believe that if I haven’t used both. I don’t see much of a difference. The only issue is that the LCD gets washed out in sunlight. But, even that is overhyped. Half the time you end up shooting around waist level0 in which case I find I’m normally casting a shadow over it. Or I just use my hand- not a big deal I think.
Don’t know how serious this rumor is to be taken.
However it makes sense Sony to put this new technology for the time being only into premium compacts.
As I learned lately, indepently from the mount existing lenses would not be compatible with curved sensor.
So if Sony would release the curved sensor in ILC design all three fractions (A- E- and FE mount users) would be pi..ed off.
That’s assuming they even could make an ILC version – as I understand it the mount would need to align perfectly…
This would be very difficult. Sony has already problems with this curved sensor and a fixed zoom lens….
I think the curved sensor attains never the A and E mounts or it take long time..
For this gives other new technologies like organic, graphene or others .
please make A6000S!!! a low light beast like A7S!! please sony i dont care if it has 12MP.
Not going to happen. It will be A9000s or A7000s
The small sensor from the a6000 needs a even better low light technology to has this low light performance. I read in the internet it would be take years we see the first graphene sensor(ultra low light sensor).
But it gives a rumor sony would be release the a5 (successor from nex5 with FF sensor). I’m very interesting to this very small FF camera with a7s low light performance
Please Sony release a a5s with the fast a6000 AF and a7s low light performance 🙂
A5 will not have fast AF like A6000. That will be A6 with HD video.
OK Sony can gladly release a FF A6s, Main issue is the very small body 😉
Silicon sensors are already pretty close to theoretical limits governed by physics and the nature of light (they already achieve QEs of > 50%). Graphene sensors are absolutely nowhere near as good, and the stuff that was on the Internet a few months back claiming a graphene sensor was 1000x more sensitive was thoroughly misreported and repeated over and over again by journalists without a clue.
What had happened was the developers had achieved 1000x better than the previously dreadful performance on graphene sensors. That, and graphene produces a stronger signal which is of little use as it’s just amplifying noise.
There are plenty of items around on the Internet explaining why this was all the overactive imagination of a journalist.
It give’s to less technical information to the photo graphene sensor. I know, the 10 stops (1000times) are very unprecise. It is the questions open- 10 stops more sensitive to what?
It is a problem it gives not one picture or video to demonstrate this performance. It is entirely possible.the great low light performance is not so good as the press releases to suggest.
It’s just completely impossible. Silicon sensors are already detecting over half the photons that arrive (after passing through the Bayer filter), so it’s simply impossible to even get 1 stop better on sensitivity.
Somebody has made some sensor measurements on the A7S
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53993974
The saturation level of 157,000 electrons at 100 ISO will correspond to about 300,000 photons (assuming QE is a little over 50%). At 102,400 capacity is about 157 electrons (equivalent to about 300 photons). With 8EV of DR, then the noise floor is defined at about 0.6 electrons (approx 1 photon).
So, it works out that a meaningful image can be produced (at 102,400 ISO) where between about 1 and 300 photons arrive at each photosite.
Short of finding out quantum mechanics is wrong, and light doesn’t arrive as discrete photons, it’s trick to see how even a 2-fold improvement can be achieved (there’s a stop available if anybody can crack the problem of detecting colour without filtration and high levels of separation; that is, not the way Foveon does it).
(Nb. noise floors for DR calculations are very often defined as an SNR of 1 – which is what DXOmark do, but in practice, usable DR is 2 or 3 EV less as areas of an image with an SNR don’t really show much detail to human perception).
Its impossible? The video from canon, last year, shows a senor with approx 1,6 Million ISO and less noise than a7s. OK I know, this FF Video sensor has just approx 2,4 MP.
Here the question: Can the new technology’s (Organic,graphene) bring us the same impressive low light performance with 12 or 16 MP?
Yes, impossible. It’s fundamental to the nature of light. Even if you invented the perfect sensor that counted every single photon and measured its colour you can never, ever exceed the limits imposed by the nature of light itself as individual particles which have an inherent randomness of arrival. It’s essentially a law of physics as true in its own way as nothing being able to exceed the speed of light. It doesn’t matter if the sensor is organic, graphene, silicon or even imaginary. The limit is set by light itself, and we are only a stop or two away from that limit. After that, you will have to go for bigger and bigger sensors with bigger and bigger lenses to suit simply to collect more photons.
As for Canon’s sensor, the reason it can claim 1.6 million ISO (4 times that of the Sony) is precisely because it has a fraction of the resolution. If you down-sampled the A7S to the same resolution it would achieve a very similar sensitivity.
If you want to take it to extremes, image the entire Sony 12MP sensor was a single pixel. That means it could detect much lower levels of light, simply by combining the results of all the photosites in that area. It would be millions of times more sensitive. However, it’s not of much use as a camera. You can never, ever, separate spatial resolution from the ability to detect luminance levels.
nb. I should add I’ve a degree is in Physics, albeit rather old, and that teaches you a respect for innate limits and the difference between that and technology. You can always change technology, but you can never go beyond the nature of what you are measuring. (Indeed, the very act of measurement is inherently tide up with this messiness at the quantum level).
Thanks for this interesting link! 🙂
I know that give’s a frontier with the highest usable ISO’s. But the link tells me not who are the frontier is.
I mean- what is the highest usable real ISO with an organic sensor and let’s just say 12-16MP?
Can you give me an answer to this question?
If you take what’s usable now (for a given resolution and sensor size) and quadruple it that’s as good as it could ever get. However, unless somebody finds a way to get rid of the need for a colour filter (which loses about half the light), then double where we are now is about the limit unless you go to ever bigger sensors.
It doesn’t greatly matter what the sensor is made of. That’s merely technology. It could be silicon, graphene, organic or something we’ve not heard of.
Pity! I hope for a value what its possible in near feature. I hope the next canon cameras has this organic sensor. A couple of sites report this. And than we have more information’s about this technology and what ISO values are with this possible. I’m sure in the labors from sony and canon are experts to realize the problems in lowlight and found possibilities to resolve it.
Here a link to you from a impressive new technology for a security cam. This technology rebuild the color information in dark situations:
in technical worded:
,,the camera uses a series of algorithms to read and process wavelengths reflected by objects lit with infrareds, allowing it to successfully reproduce reds, blues, and greens in the darkest of conditions.”
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/aist-shows-off-full-color-night-vision-camera-well-lit-bullwink/
I think that’s a technology for security cams or night vision cam’s, but it’s interesting 🙂
It is interesting, and as you say for security cams rather than photography and it relies on IR illumination.
I must say I’m a bit suspicious about just how “true” the colours will be when it’s using algorithms to analyse reflected IR light. It might work with some pigments and colouration systems and produce bizarre results on others. However, for it’s projected use, that might not matter much.
Of course the main reason night security cameras are usually monochrome is that they don’t throw away half the light using colour filters and, of course, they can use IR illumination which isn’t visible to people. Trying to get colour out of it is a tricky problem.
,,It is interesting, and as you say for security cams rather than photography and it relies on IR illumination.”
I`m still search for a very light sensitive cam not for a IR cam 😉
Which camera from these: a7s, RX1s or Canon Dmark4 has the best performance in the highest ISO, I’ll buy.
Sadly I found not indices canon want release the best lowlight video camera prototype…
SteveGJ
Actually, they’re still working on this and making progress –
This is an image from that same technique –
http://www.aist.go.jp/Portals/0/resource_images/aist_j/press_release/pr2012/pr20121203/fig1.jpg
Notice the veins in the wrist of the subject. I suspect that appearance is more pronounced than it is in visible light.
I agree with you that it is a tricky problem to assign IR values to be analogs for Visible Light values – Candidly, I think they would ultimately have to create look-up tables – like we do for other spectroscopic methods, but I applaud their effort.
Image looks like IR is used for luminance and visible is used for colour. IR people do this in photography already with multiple exposures. Looks like these guys have incorporated in to video… which is straightforward. Like SteveGJ said, colour accuracy would become an issue but it’s not an issue for surveillance. Also it might lead to artifacts if a single sensor is used.
Your post has reminded me of something that I have noticed playing around with A77II and A7S RAW files available on the net. They both seem to have very different colour filters to older Sony sensors with green being very different. From this I was thinking that was where the extra sensitivity was gained from.
Bayer has to go because of the spatial inefficiency and the filter factors. To capture all photons and separate/classify them on wavelengths, I imagine there needs to be a material (maybe an intermediate one) that changes its response based on the wavelength, in a continuous way.
The next question is whether such an image would look “natural”.
Well, “look natural” is a loaded term. If, by “natural”, you mean objective measurements characterising an image in terms of the basic physical properties of light (ie a physics definition), that’s very different to what a human perception definition of natural might be.
Human perception is anything but objective of course. Take the simple issue of “colour temperature”. Human perception is programmed to unconsciously adjust colour perception according to light conditions. A digital camera will capture the actual image, but if we don’t adjust the output to attempt to match how a human would perceive the scene, it looks wholly unnatural. So-called colour temperature is merely the simplest of the tricks human perception plays on us.
It should be also noted that no colour display system of which I’m aware is capable of reproducing the continuous spectral output in a “real image”. Instead, it relies on generating a set of primary colour analogues which attempt to stimulate human colour perception in the same way as the original. Or rather, whatever people decide it ought to have looked like.
So I think the real answer is that images will be manipulated to suit human aesthetic sensibilities, even if the perfect sensor could be designed.
Yes, I was referring to human perception.
Bigger = the way in many ways… which is why I gave up on digital for everything but false colour, etc. and started shooting film.
nb. This may help
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/48688/might-future-advances-in-sensor-technology-reduce-or-eliminate-noise
There’s an interesting picture in the thread which is a simulation of what a photo of a beach scene would look like at different levels of exposure to light using a “perfect” sensor. That is what it would look like if every single photon was captured and the limitation was simply the nature of light itself.
It’s just a shame that there aren’t versions of this from a real camera at the same level of exposure to light so we could see how far off we are.
“the stuff that was on the Internet a few months back claiming a graphene
sensor was 1000x more sensitive was thoroughly misreported and repeated
over and over again by journalists [and animalsbybarry] without a clue.”
Fixed.
It would be 4MP 🙂
Maybe this (curved sensor) is what Sony has been waiting for. Maybe now we’ll see a ‘family’ of RX1 cameras (28mm, 35mm, 50mm)?
I will keep a 35 in my right pocket and 85 in my left pocket.
+1
If it is f1.4 I can retire my A-mount system.
Can’t wait! I just hope the rumored name is incorrect, as it would imply more less the same body and I would really like a built-in EVF as well as an articulated LCD. If Sony squeezes those two in and improves the AF to more less A6000 level, I’ll be first in line when the camera arrives.
Since street has no use for fast AF, EVF and articulated LCD alone will make me camp out for the camera before the store opens.
will it be available this year or next year? wish it has a evf and aritculated touch screen lcd as well.
Dear Sony: Filter threads. Pllllllllllllllease.
I prefer the idea of a monochrome RX1. But PLEASE with an integrated EVF.
A7m and nothing else! 🙂
A7m for street?
Sure. I am using A7r with M Rokkors now.
Yeah! That’s because you don’t have the RX2m.
Even if it is given to me for free, there is little chance I would be using it and that is a honest answer.
and a RX2 with a curved monochrom sensor?
Why would you prefer A7m to Rx2 for street, specifically? For all other monochrome needs A7 will be ideal, of course. But when you go out on the street, shouldn’t the equipment be the leanest like the curved RX2 with EVF?
I use a Leica MM. It is an interchangeable lens camera. If that (interchangeable lens camera) is not preferred by most others, so be it. P$S camera are not for me, with evf or even with swivel LCD. It is simple as that.
With a monochrome camera, any run of the mill lenses can be used. There is no need for Zeiss OTUS and such monsters or Zeiss labelled Sony offerings. Most Leica MM users would agree with me on this.
i understood the second paragraph completely. But the first paragraph is hard to grasp
Personally, I would love the day i can go out for a walk, may be with a friend, and pull out my RX2 with the EVF (No pop up, no swivel LCD) and snap a picture and put back that cam in my pocket, without breaking step and still chatting with my friend.That’s what a friend described of a great picture from HCB.
That kind of scenario is possible when the camera is the leanest.
“That’s what a friend described of a great picture from HCB.”
I understand the process and subtleties. I would rather have a picture (when I snap everything else around me, except the subject ceases to exist) than bother about a walk in buddy or a conversation. Different views. 🙂
The example is an illustration about the minimalism of the equipment, that it doesn’t even register in your conscious awareness. That’s how street should be. Nowadays you can spot a photographer, even when he is not taking a picture, because the camera is either in his hands or in his considerable sized camera bag. Too encumbered.
Oh, thank you so kindly! I am not aware and am blissful that way. 🙂
Just because the RX 1 has a fixe lens and no EVF doesn’t qualify it has an P&S.
P&S refer more to an easy to use camera: Power it up, push a button and voila, no hassle in setting ISO, aperture or shutter speed.
It’s the Auto mode and the back screen for composition that qualify a P&S to me and since all the mirrorless cameras have that features they are virtually all P&S.
Oh, please. Compact if you want to call that, fine. 🙂
Samsung NX mini or RX100 iii for you? Well, I know, i know. 🙂
because you refer it as a P&S I didn’t get that what bother you was his size, I thought you were talking about the way it operate.
Though I’m not sure the Alpha 7r is much bigger than a RX1 but I guess its the grip that make the difference.
Sony refers to it as a Cybershot aka their P&S line.
Point & Shot.. refers to a more simple camera where lenses can’t be changed… I guess you could call the RX1 an advanced P&S.
I’ll believe it. When I see it. In my hands.
I remember a previous rumor saying this sensor still doesn’t have the pixel density of today’s FF sensors? Then an even lower sensor count with the same noise performance would mean?
I guess the lower pixel density only applies to a comparison the A7r, possibly A7 sensors. Otherwise it would mean an one digit MPix count which I think isn’t marketable anymore. My guess is something inbetween 16 and 20 MPix. But this is pure speculation of course.
You’re right, but this is sr2 after all.
they stated that it can’t match their current FF sensors which include the 12Mp sensor of the Alpha 7s since the interview was made after the release of the 7S (though we don’t know when the interview was conducted).
True – though at a guess they have been referring to the RX line, in which case we’d be looking at below 24mp… If it’s below 12mp I can’t see it selling.
well we are making hypothesis based on an Nikkei’s interview in japanese translate by google trad (9 times out of 10 the translation from japanese doesn’t make sense) so what we need is a fellow japanese speaking SAR reader kind enough to provide us a proper translation.
For that you need a french person. Any average french person will be excellent at both Japanese and English. And we will get our translation.Flawless.
It’s likely they were referring to the 36 megapixel FF not the 12.
Do you read Japanese? did you get that from the original Nikkei’s interview?
Because from the vague translation It’s seem they were reffering to ALL they current FF sensors.
Nobody seem to know, so it could be the 36, 24 or 12Mp sensor. We need a proper translation from the original japanese interview.
Nobody seem to know from the vague translation, especially you.
my point, and specially me, that why I said we need real translation but until then we can’t rule out the 12Mp.
Do you have any evidence they were referring to the 12 mpixel sensor other than your own confusion? If not it’s very unlikely and stressing the point as you are is sensless
do you read what I say in my former comment?? I never stated that it’s the 12Mp FF sensor they were refering to because of the uncertainty of the translation, all I say is that you can’t rule it out.
And if you think that I’m talking about that possibility is senseless, your “unlikeky” is nothing more than wishfull thinking.
You can’t rule out that the sky is falling tomorrow, but saying so would make you look like an idiot. So if the shoe fits…………….
great news!! please sony, make RX2 or RX1MKII with internal pop-up viewfinder, hotshoe, articulate LCD, optional wide lens conventer in range 24mm with out loss image quality, high shutter speed leaf shutter when using wide open aperture, posibility to compabiity for wireless trigger and faster and precision AF speed. if sony can do that this camera will be sell like a hot cake 😀
if sony can do it, it will become most afdorable camera, king of street camera and great strobist camera 😀
Please Sony put a side compartment so I can toast my bread.
Man, take your meds
Suprised? Not really, in fact I thought it would be slightly better. Can’t wait.
regarding 28mm vs 35mm war. does x100 sell better than gr? I guess no?
I bet you that the x100 does sell more. Although distribution and preferences have more to do with it than what focal length was used.
the difference in sells has nothing to do with the focal length. They are very different cameras and marketed in very different ways too.
Sony needs to come up with good wide and tele adapters.
Why stop at f1.4, why not make it an f1.2 — but compact. Now that would be a killer combination.
Unless one is in the business of taking pictures of eye lashes f1.4 should be ok on FF. At 35mm I can happily live with f 1.8.
I personally would love to see a 50mm 1.4 compact lens for this kind of camera. Perhaps sony could adopt the strategy used by Sigma and make several lens configurations for the RX2. It would off that little extra bit of bokeh that makes 50 my favourite walkaround lens.
You know what else is curved….Sony’s business plan. Starts in one direction and ends in another.
You know what else is curved?….my testicles. and so are another 3+ Billion x2. Tell me something that’s true. And real.
You should get that checked!!!:)
good sensor business soon1
What are you doing up here? Your suppose to be down at the bottom!
Ha ha…
lol…
In a curved sensor camera the image flattening will no longer occur within the lens. Since we still view images on flat surfaces, at some point in the process, won’t the image from the sensor need to be flattened? Is that step most likely in-camera software? Will shooting in raw preserve the curved image which would then be processed by external software?
If I understand this design correctly, it simply transfers the point of image adjustment (flattening) out of the lens. Is that correct? Any thoughts on the implications for image processing?
The flattening occurs at a physical level.
The distorted image is projected onto a distorted sensor. They cancel each other out.
The sensor is still a 2d array of pixels so when they are read off it is still a 2d image.
for $2999 i am not sure if anyone will pick it over A7 which is an ILC
Every photographer who earns decent enough money will buy this.
Not me, without the EVF
That’s a bold claim… I might get one depending on image quality, but I have plenty of photographer friends who wouldn’t be remotely interested.
I bet the new rx1s is 12 megapixels
I hope so, but I bet it will 16 MP
I hope the RX1s has the S-Log2, too
Yep, s-log2 starting @6400 iso this time (sooooo much sensitive) ha ha.
Sony needs to release a curved monochrome sensor or a curved layered sensor. I’m sick of bayer and the trickling of this technology. Need to give it all at once.
Hi all.! I’m new to the site. When exactly is the “soon” in the title? Is it tied to an event coming around or is this Sony’s product release event? Thanks
probably not later than photokina
I’m so getting this. It’s everything I’ve been wanting and waiting for.
Doesn’t look too compact to me in terms of length… the lens still sits a fair distance away like on non-retrofocus designs… at least maybe there’s potential to pop the CG 🙂 The lens seems to be simpler, so there will be savings there in size.
Doubt it has a 12MP sensor. Sony has said regular sensors improve sensitivity when curved. So this is probably still the same dreadful 24MP sensor. Don’t see reasons for raw files to be any less cooked in this.
It does not have be bent very much. The graphics are misleading.
A 35mm FL compact (non retrofocus) lens will have to be located at ~35mm from the sensor plane. I use similar lenses on the A7/r.
I also suspect it will be the 24MP sensor.
There are non-retrofocus lenses out there that sit right in front of the focal plane. I’m not sure about how the field flatness applies to such lenses.
The price… is only the problem. If sony realease RX1s for 1300$ i buy this
I’m a buyer at close to $2000 However Sony should look to Fuji for ergonomics. This is a camera for a specific market much like the X100 was/is. just add that one more dial to the top guys.
I’d buy it if the noise performance is close to A7S or even A7/A7R and if it has a built in EVF. Lets hope it stays at 24MP or bumped to 36MP.