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All this means is that the Panasonic reviews of the FZ1000 will change their short-sighted conclusions from “With the RX10 over $400 more, choosing the FZ1000 is a no-brainer.” to “With the RX10 over $100 more, choosing the FZ1000 is a no-brainer.” – IF they even bother changing their reviews….
I’d say from the difference in design alone Sony could charge that extra $100.
Yeah, you would hope that the weatherness and quality of the RX10’s body would be appreciated, but they just counter – “but, but, the FZ records 4K” Gimme a break – a frigg’n GoPro records internal 4K.
Lol the quality of the codec is the question, though I don’t know enough about this to comment on it.
May be Sony thinks RX10’s 4K directly competes with A7s’ 4K. That’s laughable. But on the other hand who wants to use a 1″ sensor 4K? I don’t know.
Sorry, I meant I would rather have quality 4k, rather than a gimmick like GoPro and some cell phones. So internal 4K recording doesn’t seem to be such an advantage yet.
FZ1000 seems like a good all around camera for both photo and video. its a shame they disabled the auto-iso feature in the manual mode. that’s what most videographer shoot with. also the aperture ring is not stepless. you can’t change the aperture mid-recording. such gross oversight. probably a deal breaker for me… putting my hope on LX8.
Wow. All the cameras in the top 10 are from Sony except the nx2000 and the abominable m4/3.
Abominable lol
Why does anyone shoot with m43? The pictures look crap. And I particularly resent that Olympus EVF hump, which to my utter chagrin Sony decides to incorporate into A7 series.
Well… They’ve got IBIS, can’t argue with that…and some people really don’t see a difference in the image quality between half frame and m43, in some cases I guess that’s true, with ample light, low dr and nothing to show dof, maybe nobody would notice. I do see use for a GM1 sized body with IBIS, since so many interesting C- mount lenses only cover m43…
Btw I think Sony’s implementation is even uglier. From a pure appearance point of view I’d say OMD’s is more refined, while Sony’s doesn’t seem a well thought out design built from the ground up but really more of a few elements from past models glued together. Of course nothing beats the raw ugliness of the xt-1, IMO it was designed specifically with awkwardness and disharmony in mind, the only model that could match would be k-01.
We need a99’s designers to come up with the designs for a8 and a9.
IBIS is probably the least useful function in a camera. It’s role as a technological aid may be better suited for larger, pro cameras. Just may be. because in the scheme of things, IBIS has no relevance – to a photographer’s day to day work – comparable to features like fast AF, burst FPS.and low light capability.
Especially, even an insane, godlike amount of IBIS cannot redeem the shoddy picture quality of m43, I understand the use of m43 for video for various reasons. But i cannot understand anyone shooting m43 for stills. There are no advantages, not even a tiny bit. But the disadvantages are numerous.
On the A99 design. I feel the grip on the A99 and A77 is a bit out front. and awkwardly shaped around your fingers. it’s definitely uncomfortable to spin the dials when holding the camera.
You must have very dainty hands, the grips on the A99 & A77 are excellent. Especially when a long heavy lens is attached, you can solidly and safely hold the camera with one hand. And the controls are easy to use and well placed, great ergonomics.
Learn to read before rambling. My hands are reasonably big.I can handle weight for sustained long times. I said the curvature and the depth of the grip are not well designed, compared to Canikon.
Well I have big hands too, and the grips on the A99&A77 fit perfectly. The grip on my neices 5DM3 is good also but a bit shallow, only tried the D800 once in the store and it felt good but no better than the Sony’s.
The shape of the grip is more triangular making the grip kind of sharp edged. I would have preferred just a little more rounder. That’s why I feel it doesn’t curve around my fingers the way Canon and Nikon do. And the placement of the dials is just a bit off.
IBIS is invaluable with a combination like m43 and c- mount lenses. Manual lenses have no stabilization itself and you can’t push up the ISO too much on m43, so without stabilization you’re pretty much stuck without a tri/monopod when you don’t have enough light. Of course this isn’t meant for most commercial work.
Many people claim the difference doesn’t show on even the best prints( not too big of course), some are aggressively defensive about it, including one I’ve seen who claimed to be the apprentice of some wedding shot grandmaster(” top 10 in the US”)… I’ve never handled one myself before so I can’t say but from shots online I’d say as long as it avoids demanding situations, the current gen of m43 is in the same league as APS-C.
I’m taking about the appearance, the ergonomics couldn’t fit everybody.
Lighter and more compact than APS-C, equivalent image quality with better choices for glass.
Should have also mentioned that Lumix video basically demolishes every other competitor in and above the mirrorless segment.
Great video (in good light) but sucks as a still camera, why not get a video camera to begin with.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
it’s not lighter and more compact than APS-C. Image quality is maddeningly low. No comparison with APS-C, which you can use for any professional purposes..You don’t need all that unnecessary choices of glass even for professional purposes.
The hump on the A7 was a necessity. The sensor and shutter mechanism take up space where the EVF would sit if placed in the corner. The other option would have been to make the whole camera bigger, and they chose not to do that.
Do you buy cameras based on their shape? Get over the hump.
Great explanation. Opened my eyes.
Amazing price cut TBH. They saw the FZ1000 coming. Next, RX10II. Hopefully 28-300, internal 4K, still constant F2.8, Better IQ and JPEG procs, OSPDAF from a6000 and hopefully many more.
Huh?? More likely they cut the price because they didn’t see the FZ coming.
Sony supply the sensor for the FZ1000… they didn’t see it coming??
Sony camera model sales dominate the compact system catogory. Sony cameras sales are almost non existent in tje SLR catagory…where slts would be placed….in fact I didnt see a single one listed until the 4th page of listings.
SLR is a dying category with a very little market volume in the near future. And in a few years time, the last SLR will be sold. After that, an SLR would be something you would buy only on sites like ebay, in the same way you would buy a film camera these days.
The mirror itself..and the slt mirror…is probably doomed to extinction. …however the traditonal larger mount systems such as Canon, Nikin, and Sony A mount can continue as mirrorless systems.
Sony has put close to zero rezources into new A mount cameras for a while so of naturally they are not on the board as far as sales go.
The other factor that is largely overlooked now will become a major major factor very soon.
New stacked sensors are on the verge of being released.
Canon is rumored to be unvieling something revolutionary in September.
Sony will be forced to finally release thier own stacked sensor.
Since this technolgy is likely to replace bayer sensors for most applications bayer sensors are basically obsolete even though most of the public does not realize it yet.
That will change soon.
I did not buy the new a77II nor will I buy the new a99II if it is bayer.
I will also not switch to E mount under any circumstances…If A mount is dead Sony is dead to me.
If Canon releases stacked sensors and Sony does not…which even the dumbest Sony management would be too smart to let happen…then Sony is dead as a camera company.
That prediction however is very unlikely to come true because Sony too will probably soon release a stacked sensor…they have no choice.
What I mean when I say Sony has no choice but to release thier stacked senso…
Sony could possibly survive the loss of the A mount system..although it would be a mistake.
Sony could possibly survive the loss of the entire camera division..although that would be a disaster for Sony.
Sony could not possibly survive the loss of thier sensor division…and if the competition is building stacked and Sony is not that is exactly what would happen.
Sony will let the A -mount continue as long as a significant market exists for the larger mounts. while pumping resources into the e-mount which will be it’s breadwinner.
Sony will release the stacked sensor depending on the market forces. One way or another, it’s imminent.- from soon to not more than a couple of years.
As the largest manufacturer of sensors, I think it’s unlikely their sensor division will go under any time soon.
I expect they will keep up with current technology and not fail…
But big is no guarantee they will not go under.
FZ1000 price effect – and because the previous price tag was quite delusional. It does have some extras like ND, weather sealing, but no 4K, shorter focal length, slower AF, was that worth the extra bucks? No, even more for such similar IQ. And now, does it worth it? I’m still not so sure
It’s not just because Sony wants to continue selling. It may be Sony wants to kill of FZ1000. it’s more a preemptive move by Sony.
I doubt that’s true, given the sensor in the FZ1000 is supplied by Sony.
Huh? That means there is tug of survival within Sony. between their sensor division and the camera division. Wonder how this will pan out.
The RX10 has an advantage in image quality but if you want the FZ1000 then buy it.
Look at the comparisons on dpreview. http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-fz1000/7
Fanboys are such a thing, they distort everything with their obtuse and defensive vision of things. They change the meaning of what you say and then give selective samples as proofs for no reason.
The IQ is similar, period. Overall, the optics of the RX10 seems to hold better, even more at the wide end, it’s sharper and it has less color fringing, which is not a surprise since the FZ1000 has a much longer lens.
But the RX10 applies heavier compression and noise reduction, which you can see in the portrait comparison.
If you move your cursor around in all samples, you’ll see that they are indeed similar in most situations and in the end “similar IQ” applies for small differences regardless of which one is better.
Wow, until I look at the posters name I thought you were talking about yourself, a very good self description. The image quality is better on the Sony, I’ll believe my lying eyes over your fanboy opinion. Personally I wouldn’t have either camera, they both compromise image quality too much for my tastes. If you’re satisfied with a crappy super zoom camera then take your pick, they all suck.
Well, if you thought so, you are quite delusional – which all fanboys and haters really are. I’m not defending either brand, I put pros and cons for both in both comments, while you are strongly defending one of them – while denying it though -, so, there you go.
The conclusion? I’m a fanboy that defends no brand and that balances pros and cons of things, which is really the epitome of the definition of a fanboy.
“in the end “SIMILAR IQ” applies for SMALL differences REGARDLESS of which one is better.”
I think they both suck, but the Sony sucks a bit less due to the superior lens. Only a fanboy would say otherwise, which is precisely what you are. Enough trolling, go buy your junk camera and take some snapshots.
“(…) Overall, the optics of the RX10 seems to hold better, even more at the wide end, it’s sharper and it has less color fringing (…)”
How did I say otherwise? Oh, maybe you think that to have better optics is the opposite of having a superior lens? Well, it isn’t! It’s the same thing!
What did I say? Someway, somehow you are not reading what I actually wrote and actually stating that I said otherwise, which really fits what I said about fanboys being delusional and that they distort things in a obtuse way.
“Fanboys are such a thing, they distort everything with their obtuse and
defensive vision of things. They change the meaning of what you say and
then give selective samples as proofs for no reason.”.
Stop, you are embarassing yourself in each new reply! hahahahaha…
I got it, you’re a closet M4/3 fan. Should have known, 4/3 must be like full frame to you. Hence the low expectations, how depressing.
This is the part that I talked about fanboys having a defensive stance. We are only talking about the RX10 and FZ1000 and suddenly I’m a Micro4/3 fanboy! That, just because I said that the cameras have similar IQ! Trying to offend me with such a low rate jabs. LOL.
Fanboys really lose it when someone identifies them as such, it’s kind of funny – and sad.
“The denial is strong in you, telecom italia mobile!”
The fact that you think the sun rises and sets with these cheesy little cameras led me to believe you’re a 4/3 fan (and I still believe this). Why are you so worked up over a cheap camera, get a life. You sound like an insurance salesman, do you work for Panasonic? If you want to shill for them there a plenty of 4/3 message boards where you can preach to the choir. Your just making a fool of yourself here because nobody is buying into your bullsh**.
Yeah, I’m really worked up about this, I’m such a fool, I need a life. Damin it. Go Micro4/3! LOL.
The RX10 AF is anything but slow. I’ll disagree with that. That thing can move. And the lens is sharp at all focal lengths, which the FZ1000 won’t be able to support. That’s physics. Especially at that pricepoint. Odd that the FZ1000 doesn’t support XLR like the RX10 does, since it’s such a video animal. Panasonic has a single engine for the internal 4k that they are (and that they should) taking advantage of but I think, especially now, there is quite the market for both products.
Sony’s “multi-interface shoe” is by far the best feature from any manufacturer (since mirrorless) to-date. XLR’s, self powered microphones & small video lights etc, it’s only really apparent once you start to utilize it though!
I never said the RX10 has a slow AF, read properly, ok?
In some ways it’s odd that this camera doesn’t have all those extras but I thought that it was a smart move by Panasonic. In the end, how many people would really invest so much to turn this into a video camera? I mean, the RX10 was $1300 and the XLR adapter is $800, we are talking about a $2100 combo here.
There are way better alternatives out there and if the LX8 is said to have the ND and possibly weather sealing, it makes even more sense for the FZ1000 to not have it. For the most part, people are not willing to pay extra just for and XLR adapter, ND and weather sealing, it clearly doesn’t worth it. So in the end, you may end up offering something that most consumers won’t care about paying for.
Panasonic clearly just threw the 4K there for the sake of it, and they even did so putting a lot of GH4’s feats, which is not something a lot of manufacturers would do for a bridge camera. But one that wants to have a super zoom, can even zoom more in video, cropping the UHD footage to FHD. And in the end, no matter how you look at it, it’s better to have 4K than not.
So the FZ1000 is really more of a camera that addresses the Super Zoom category rather than the video category – while the RX10 seems to be the opposite, more video, less Super Zoom, something that few seem to realize.
The 4K and GH4’s video feats are some extras that Panasonic put to make it more compelling – and it works. The LX8 will probably pack a better video package but without the longer zoom versatility and if you are one of those that would pay the $800 for the adapter, I guess you could invest in a better video camera. Sure, there may be out there people that would want that RX10+XLR combo, but I’m pretty sure it’s not the majority of people. So I wonder what will Sony bring in a RX10MKII.
Don’t overlook the fact that the Sony XLR adaptor (yes its overpriced) is a system accessory and like a tripod works across multiple platforms, its a one time buy (unlike a bridge camera).
Any serious “Sony” videographer would no-doubt already have the XLR module for their hybrid camera systems anyway. Sony also offer a rather superb little stereo microphone thats powered off the multi-interface shoe for around $100 — it’s aimed more at the RX10/compact buyer!
Compare the Sony audio approach to that of Panasonic (YAGH) and the Sony multi-interface shoe and XLR adaptor becomes a very sensible and cost effective “long term” solution across multiple camera platforms.
Audio is 50% of video, people often forget this fact, luckily Sony haven’t.
4K capture is all well and good but as Phil Bloom pointed out in his GH4 review, the GH4 pre-amps are still poor. Can we expect anything better from the (much less expensive) Panasonic FZ1000? There’s no way to fix poor in camera pre-amps in that case. Building in 4K capture is fantastic but if the audio quality is still in the dark ages what is it really worth? Even a soccer mom is acutely aware of proper audio (iTunes) yet she’ll accept a somewhat lesser quality in her video (YouTube).
Maybe we’re barking up the wrong tree here, I say picture quality on the RX10 is perfectly fine and audio is lovely for sure (thank goodness:)!
Interesting topic, thanks for your input!
I’m far from overlooking it or its quality, I’m just saying that if I’m going to spend more than $2K, in general people would rather buy some better video solution, just that.
As for the YAGH, that’s really a different thing, far from just a XLR adapter and it’s not even made for the FZ1000, so I won’t really get into that, but suffice to say that although I understand why Panasonic made it, I don’t think it’s an optimal solution either.
As I said, the RX10 is more video oriented while the FZ1000 has the FZ Super Zoom heritage that happens to have GH4’s video feats, the video part is just an extra.
People will compare them as they are the same, but I simply believe these two cameras were made for different purposes and choosing between them will depend on that. I don’t really care which one is a better choice for each person, my whole point was very simple. The RX10 was overpriced and that these two have different primary purposes. I liked the RX10 when it was announced and for a sec I thought “hmmm… interesting all-in-one video camera… wow, ND and constant f/2.8!” but the $1300 price tag was a joke.
I’m looking forward for the LX8 and X30.
>As for the YAGH, that’s really a different thing, far from just a XLR adapter and it’s not even made for the FZ1000, so I won’t really get into that<
It's not a two grand purchase, you're assuming Sony shooters willing to pay $1300 for the RX10 don't already own the XLR adaptor & microphones, many of us do! But, how are you going to get the FZ1000 to a point where you can monitor and record professional quality audio?
I think you'll find we are in agreement about Panasonic's less than well thought out YAGH. Most I know who adopted the RX10 already owned the XLR adaptor or intended purchasing it for use on other Sony platforms "as well"– I think that's the point here, this stuff needs to be system wide, not model specific to make it cost effective!
Collecting an $800 XLR adaptor that includes a very capable shotgun mic is as sensible as collecting a bag of lenses if your a video enthusiast.
Isn't bad built-in audio in a multi-media camera akin to a bad built-in lens on a still camera?
Actually I would use the internal mic for reference and probably record with an external recorder. But I understand, if you buy into Sony’s system, it does make sense. It just that Sony’s video in “DSLR” is not really that great – except for the A6000 -, they are worse than Canon’s, which hasn’t been improving much in the past few years. So I wouldn’t commit that much into Sony and also if you have other cameras besides Sony, an external recorder would take better care of that. I really wished Sony didn’t do this way, but with the A7 family, Sony is playing safe and not putting a true NEX-7 successor in the market, which is a pity. Actually, Sony is basically ignoring anything besides the FF E-mount, so there is not much future and I’m selling my gear. And for me, these compact cameras can be decisive for what system I will choose.
If we’re now talking “dual sound” we’re WAY OFF topic for an RX10 or FZ1000, these are cameras squarely aimed at documentary photography not narrative photography.
As for Sony’s hybrid video/stills cameras (A7S excluded) they’ve been somewhat lacking in “absolute picture quality” but they’re been way ahead the game in both audio and stills quality. We have to be objective, its the total package, “Stills, Video AND Audio”…………
As for shooting video on a Canon it’s “horrible” been there done that, it’s like shooting fashion pictures on a monorail camera, totally impractical and the audio stinks! It’s mirrorless & EVF’s for practical video acquisition.
I used an RX10 to capture video alongside a 5D3 outfit initially. I’d take the RX10 for video all day long over the Canon. The Sony is simply bliss with the EVF, competent AF and stellar in-camera audio.
The RX10 has a flat f/2.8 across the zoom range,his alone is a huge deal for video shooters. It has a smooth aperture ring, which is again a big deal for video. Built-in ND is a godsend for video when you are locking your shutter speed at 1/50s. The weather sealing is nice. The camera is physically smaller and better looking. The servo zoom is much quieter (again, big deal for video shooters). It has a cool threaded shutter release. And its full-pixel readout is great (I still don’t know if the FZ1000 has a full-pixel readout for 1080p footage, yet). And the 4K footage out of the FZ1000 has been ugly (read/watch the reviews…the 4K is pretty crap). Also, headphone jack…the FZ is missing one, RX has it.
Now, I would much rather own the RX10 with all of these things considered. It’s the more refined camera. And now it’s almost the same price as the FZ. If you’re only interested in shooting stills, then the FZ might be handier.
Yeah, in some other comment I made I stated exactly that. For me the RX10 is a video oriented camera that happens to have a good zoom range, while the FZ1000 owns the FZ heritage and it’s a Super Zoom camera that happens to have 4K and others Panasonic GH4’s video feats. I think that Panasonic will put their video feats in the upcoming LX8 since rumors say it will have ND filter, weather sealing and possibly a different sensor – a more 4K-friendly? And as I said, choosing a camera is really a personal matters crossed with each person’s need, there is no right or wrong.
I really liked the RX100MKIII, it addressed most of my issues with the previous two models, but mainly the aperture. The first two would lose more than a stop of light when going from 28mm to 35mm at the max aperture and that was simply way too much, even more losing 3 full stops at the tele end, it really felt like a misleading thing to stamp the Vario Sonnar *T on it and the “*” actually having the deepest weight in it. But now, with these rumors about the LX8 and also a X30 from Fuji, I’ll simply wait. I like the direction the premium compact is heading, it can really become a versatile second camera.
I think you have to look at both these cameras as “multi-media tools” neither makes for a very good stills camera, a one inch sensor is neither here nor there for serious stills, it has a very vanilla aesthetic when coupled with a wide slow zoom lens.
An 8.8-mm f/2.8 wide is never going to excite stills wise!
But in contrast, for video, it’s kind of a nice set-up!
>(I still don’t know if the FZ1000 has a full-pixel readout for 1080p footage, yet)<
Interesting point, If it does its better than the GH4, it has rather poor 1080HD.
On a side note, my RX10 has notably better 1080HD than my A7R, hopefully the A7S 1080HD will at least match the RX10!
Yeah, the A7R video is really lacking. But the A7S 1080p video is something else. Lovely codec, s-log2, full pixel readout for 1080p, and you can digital zoom with no degradation because it cross-sections a smaller portion of the sensor–still a full-pixel readout, and still a full 1080p (because the sensor is basically 4K). The only issue I’ve found is the rolling shutter jello. Better IQ overall. But I stillprefer the BMPCC with a speedbooster.
Nice, I have one arriving tomorrow. I’m really hoping it’ll replace one of my A7R’s for video & stuff the R isn’t too good at. Thanks for the info!
Hi Jon,
Have you noticed a weird noise on the A7S (has the look of a light leak, maybe Amp noise?) its on the left side of the frame, its at the top left and bottom left side?
Set the A7S to 25,600 ISO (WITH THE BODY CAP ON) then look through the EVF. Do you see two hotter purple areas top & bottom left corners?
Now, when I do this with the A7R, the frame is very noisy BUT evenly so corner to corner.
Cheers,
Chris
Yes, I’ve noticed very strong green and purple noise at the edges of the frame (but especially the left side like you say) when shooting at high iso in very low light. It definitely looks like it could be the reported light leaks on the other A7 cameras.
I’ll test it with the bodycap and then with gaff tape around the mount and button.
I will note that I mostly only see it in camera, and not on my computer. I’ll have to give it another look, however. I was mostly testing JPEGS because Aperture can’t handle the raw files. i’m migrating to Lightroom right now, so I’ll be better able to test, soon.
Where did you buy from? Mine was from B&H. I wondered if this may be a batch issue, last four on my serial #1115.
It’s not as bad if you shoot the electronic (silent) shutter though, but the image appears a stop heavier. It’s very obvious on my files shot against dark backgrounds, not so much on the rest!
I was thinking about ordering another from say Adorama, see if its a batch thing. I’ve posted over on DPReview & on Phil Bloom’s blog.
Lightroom, me too. (:-) Liking the RAW converter over Aperture, Libraries not so much. Thought PhaseOne was more Aperture like, but it won’t take the video files. Lightroom won’t take my dual audio files though!!!
WTF, could strangle Apple…………….(:-)
I pre-ordered from BH, too. I got it a week ahead of scheduled release.
I’m not really liking Lightroom’s interface. But it’s the only horse in town for video organization. Maybe Capture One would be the best, and hand handle the video files. And heck, maybe Photos will be really good. I just want the brushes for touching up light commercial work that Aperture has. Such a simple way to work with multiple frames on screen at once.
On the left is with electronic shutter, right electronic first curtain. Both at maximum ISO. Weird how the effect is worse on the hybrid shutter?
Wow, that’s pretty miserable. I was seeing similar things when shooting outside, late at night. I’ll give it another go, later. Early adopter woes. Why haven’t we seen this in any of the reviews?
I have to say, the rolling shutter is really, really bothering me. A global shutter video camera with a global electronic shutter (no need for a mechanical one, right?) would be so amazing. Maybe next year.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3693400
Note the reply toward the bottom from the original DP reviewer!
Holy crap, $1000 was the official price in China for quite a while, and here it seems like some sort of massive discount…
Yet people still go to the US looking for deals on electronics…
And now the price is the same here as it is in China, but we don’t have to travel 7000 miles and visit a communist country to go pick it up. And it comes with a USA warranty.
C’mon, you know that China’s as much a capitalist country as any lol. Besides actual street prices still are about $200 lower than that.
China is ruled by a communist dictatorship, you can sugar coat it anyway you want but that’s precisely what it is. Keep your $200 discounts and your sweatshops, I don’t need them.
Hey, we’re capitalists, we’re just not a democracy.
If you were a UK citizen, you could live a decent life without lifting a finger, that’s how much welfare you get from the UK government. This is similar to China 40 years ago when everybody ate from the same pot no matter how much you worked.
Now that’s socialism. No matter what they claim to be.
If you were a registered permanent resident in one of China’s major cities, you would get about…$20 per month as pension. You would get lower in smaller cities. First of all you’d probably have to sleep on the streets, It would be then highly recommended that you take up begging as a part-time job, and go through the trash regularly for a balanced diet.;)
Now that’s capitalism. No matter what we claim to be.
You seem to think that capitalism is the superior social system. I agree. But you’re wrong if you think it equates to better social equity.
Variety is the spice of life.
I agree no system of government is perfect, but the current system in China which is an odd combination of capitalism and communism seem to have selected the worst of each from your description.
No in China it’s still the situation of if you work, there’s likely a way up, if you don’t, you starve.
Where the welfare system is well developed, tax is usually also high, it’s like punishing people for their success and rewarding people for their inaction.
I see you’ve drank the right wing kool aid on taxes, in reality it’s the working class that pays the lyon’s share of the taxes. The truly wealthy pay little if any because the tax code is written to their advantage. That’s true capitalism.
… Then China still doesn’t have true capitalism? Because agricultural workers party very low tax, and income tax remains low until you’re well into middle class territory, and more than half your income goes in as tax from then on.
In theory we have a progressive tax system similar to the one you described in China. However; there are many tax loopholes specifically for the most affluent. The result is that the very wealthiest pay little or no taxes, some of the largest and most profitable corporations and companies not only pay no taxes but are actually paid subsidies as incentives. These incentives are paid to these companies (oil companies for instance) and are funded by taxpayers who work for a living. “There is no justice in the jungle”.
Come to think of it… Yeah… It all adds up.
loopholes aren’t for the affluent, they’re for the intelligent.
That’s not true; if your income if from tips and wages (a normal paycheck), these loopholes don’t apply. If you income is from stocks, investments, real estate you can take advantage of them. They were created for the wealthiest and specifically suit their situations.
intelligent =/= poor
Would you consider an electrical, mechanical, computer science engineer or chemist unintelligent. Because although you can make a reasonable living from these professions it still won’t put you into the income bracket necessary to take advantage of the special deductions earmarked for the truly wealthy. You need to do some research into the tax codes or talk to a good tax accountant because you obviously don’t know what your talking about.
Please list the specific tax codes or strategies used by those “truly wealthy” I’m waiting.
In the mean time, any intelligent people can consult tax professionals for the deductions and tax strategies for actual facts instead of taking guesses as to which deductions they qualify for.
And systems like the US are weighed down by their sheer complexity. Most decisions must go through the system before taking effect, and the administration is slow as a snail. You feel like a fool filing endless reports.
And the medical system? They make you wait for hours even in the ER. For anything else they make you wait for months, until you heal by yourself or come in on a stretcher.
In China, smaller hospitals treat you within the hour without the need for an appointment. There shouldn’t be a need for an appointment. A disease doesn’t come to you with an appointment.
I agree with you about the medical system but not about common sense regulation. You can’t depend on companies that put profit above all things to make the right decisions environmentally. Look at the pollution problems China has (remember the terrible air quality during the olympics), similar to the US 60 years ago. But China will learn from her mistakes hopefully, just like the US did.
Cumbersome doesn’t equal tight… And versatile doesn’t equal loose, what I’m saying is, if the Party says it’s gonna rein in pollution, regulations could come out quite fast, without the tug-o-war with another party that’s almost always against you.
Change is definitely happening with Xi in control. On one hand corruption is being dealt with, on the other hand google is even harder to access. Nobody knows what he’s up with except himself…
Re the UK, you have no idea what you are talking about.
It’s possible, I heard it from a friend who was studying in the UK. He told me that if you get citizenship( which is very hard for a Chinese but much easier for an Indian), you get what I mentioned in the last post.
Nonsense. Living on welfare does not give you a decent life. I am British, and I know what I’m talking about. The cost of living here is high, welfare barely keeps you alive.
What’s so bad about dictatorship? Russia has dictatorship and, while it’s not on my TOP 5 Countries list, I can name quite a few democratic countries I wouldn’t choose over Russia. It’s not that simple. Dictatorship can be good and it can be bad, same goes for democracy. It depends on the government / dictator.
no, it’s communist. Go and publicly voice your opinion about the govt there. Tell us how it goes.
You’re confusing authoritarianism with communism.
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This isn’t the place to be talking politics. We should stop.
go back to commie town
You are an unintelligent disgrace to live in any town
Talk to the hand.
Not bad. Now ask someone else to translate it for you
+1 lot of kids here… lol
If your voice is about buying camera gear, I don’t think the government will give a damn. I ain’t think that 17% VAT from your $800 RX10 will help China conquer the world.
Are you talking about medical system in Canada and Australia? people waiting for hours in emergency room, but not in US, we don’t wait because we pay tons of money for medical.
And why more and more people around the world hate China? I see that increasing everyday, look at their crazy foreign policy, China is a new world villain with crazy ambitions, China should definitely look at its critical internal problems before it even thinks about being world super power like the US. Having been to China 3 times, I see the following issues that your “highness” country will face in the next decade or sooner:
1. Boy-Girl ratio got crazy, imagine a society with all boys, crime rate, violence cases, homosexual will increase.
2. severe polluted living environment, after food, water, soil pollution, now you have air pollution, yes, is that very sustainable Utopia society you’re talking about? Now many construction companies in China are doing very well for building stuffs underground.
3. Crazy conflicts between difference races may lead to civil war, look at what happen right in the center of Tian An Men).
4. Your labors won’t come to work for a dime like their fathers and older brother used to be, big western manufacturing companies will move out to somewhere else where they can find cheaper labors, young teens in China uses US products more than we do in the US, and there is no way they will come to work in the plants anymore 🙂
…..many many more.
Being aggressive with your foreign policy in South East Asia and East Asia (with Japan) just make the whole world hate you. Period.
We, the US will be sustainable with our reserved natural resources, good air, soil and water, we do have the biggest oil supply in the mid-west new recovery that can feed the whole world’s oil demand in 150 years. and last but not least, we DO have innovations and will keep leading in all technologies, not just being copy cats like you.
What do you mean we? just talk for yourself. Do not appropriate the achievements of someone else in your country. You have nothing to do with any innovation whatsoever. In fact, I can guarantee that you have no admirable qualities or even tiny little achievements in your pathetic, insignificant life. Just look at your thoughts. They are very pitiable.
Yea right, I do more innovations everyday more than you think and pay all US tax, you dont know what you’re talking about! I bought the $13000 sony 500mm lens and you dont even know who I am, how do you know I have that kind of life? Sounds like a loser :))
Sorry but people in China are all legally blind because all major media got blocked, google, FB, twitter, youtube….all disconnected to the outside world, I really feel sorry for them 🙂
Outsiders are blocked out of China just as much as China is blocked out of the outside. What your media feeds you may not be the truth either.
China, Korea and Japan are in a trilateral relationship in which either two are against the other. I can’t comment on the land dispute between Japan and Korea because I haven’t done my research, but between China and Japan, it’s all a matter of national interest, nobody is just in this scenario. You may not know but the Sino-Japanese relationship was very close in the 70s, the motto then was to” put aside grudges and move forward together”. Japan’s China-friendly left wing was also in control, unlike recent years. Japan was already holding the disputed islands at that time, but nobody said a word about it. China only made the claim for the islands afterwards when the Party’s attitude towards Japan changed and resources were discovered around the area. But technically China has more historical proof to its claim.
Regarding China’s dispute with Vietnam, one sentence covers it: Vietnam is a cowardly punk. I can’t remember what dynasty it started in, but Vietnam was a vassel state of China for over a thousand years(at times even a state absorbed into China), but it never stayed put. Whenever unrest arose in China, they would attack, with greed to expand. Each time they would take a good beating, and go back to being a good vassel. There was even once when their capital fell to the Ming army, but the Chinese held it for a few months, saw no meaning to staying any further, and retreated. In the times when they played submissive to China, they would invade their weak neighbors and expand their territory. Yet in modern textbooks they call the leaders of invasions “heros”, and their invasions “noble acts of courage”. During the first few years when Vietnam achieved independence from France with the help of China, they agreed on everything with China. All the islands to which they claim sovereignty now was officially confirmed Chinese territory, it was even in their textbooks. But afterwards they saw that the Chinese didn’t have a developed navy with effective reach into the area, they started going back on their word, populating islands and building bunkers on reefs, attaining effective control. These are vile men who know no honor. China may have done SE Asia a great favor if the Ming army extinguished the entire Vietnam army at that time.
S.Yu, if you do think whatever your government doing is right, then prove that to the world and seek for support from all countries from the world, what your country is doing is NOT currently getting supports by any other country, you think Philippines will sit still and watch you swallow the whole South East China sea?
To be a world super power, you need a huge network of friends, and thats something you don’t have for now, and more and more people hate your country each days. Well, maybe you can ask for support from Pakistan and North Korea 🙂 be careful with your foreign policy, you will be isolated like North Korea one day.
Ha, I don’t think the US needed the world’s approval when it moved on Iraq.
Nobody’s approving anything that conflicts with their own interests.
You know everybody in ASEAN except for the Philippines and Vietnam turn a blind eye on China’s claim in the area? Because they have less disputed land with China and think that doing business with China is more important than the land claim.
And FYI China repeatedly states that it does not intend to become a world superpower.
How ignorant of you to think China would be isolated like NK. Under the current economic situation, nobody dares, not even the US, to completely sever ties with China. The US doesn’t even have the capacity to impose the sanctions imposed on NK on China, its own economy would first collapse on itself.
And you think the US , as a superpower, is playing nice with the people of the world? It sabotaged the EU’s economy to prevent settlement with the Euro, in order to keep their own mint running while keeping the Dollar afloat and shifting that burden to all countries settling with the Dollar.
Oh, they say… Who was it again, the second economy inside the EU who nearly collapsed, after Greece. That’s said to be the US’s work.
China is a large country but in their past they were continuously ruled by those they called “vassals”, the Mongols, the Lieus, the Kims, the Manchoureans and the Japs, Enough for their cowardice. They should submit back to VN Quang Dong and Quang Tay which had been Vietnamese lands 🙂
Then the US ought to first give back California which was Mexico’s and Alaska which was Russia’s? Maybe they should go back to being ruled by England because a greater proportion of these people’s history was under English rule than China under foreign rule?
Most of these that you mention don’t even make sense because as you also mentioned China is a large country, they never achieved full control, not even Japan after Qing collapsed. Who fed you this nonsense?
Haha ok US economy is collapsing? And right now stock market in US is breaking highest record in the last 14 yrs? Houses can be sole quickly and we have manufacturing back to our soil, remember China has been a assembly sweat shop for US, and just because you earned little dimes and u think you have power now, you getting into more internal critical issues than you think.
And sorry for you, you have been brain washed for too long, I do have some friends growing up under socialism regime and they were told USA has been collapsing 30 years ago, brain washed poor guy 😉
Very good. Here’s a guy who can’t even read. Go learn that before you reply.
Oh yeah, if you’re counting in recent events, US has been caught spying on Germany again. What a responsible world superpower who’s allegedly in line with all his “friends”!
Do you know why rich people in China now invest a lot in US? because they do not know where their money will go next morning they wake up if it still sit in China under current socialism regime. At the of the day, money coming in China from US will come back to US. Thanks a lot! 🙂
As for why rich people invest in the US, there are multiple reasons that I will not be going into details on. It’s not as simple as you see it.
Bingo!!!
So the rx10 is now at its real price.
not just amazon, this is the new price
Thanks Panasonic!
Competition is a good thing!
or perhaps there is a 2nd model in the works ?
So Sony sell the same sensor to Panasonic and create competition? I see a sinical price fixing going on. Not good at all. Both the cams are just yet another P&S variety which lost out to mobile phones. This is artificial excitement created out of a vacuum. Not going to last and it will all come crashing down soon.
I hope the LX8 has the same impact on the RX100m3. Competition is a good thing for us consumers.
$1000US is an attractive price point for an RX10. In an interchangeable lens camera, you would be paying more than that for the lens alone. We shall see if this is the new price, or if this means they are clearing inventory and there will be an RX10 mark II by Photokina. Hard to imagine what Sony would add to a Mk II except 4k video….
RX10 will be m43 in future. Sony’s consumer electronics will feature m43 in future.
I don’t think Sony needs a third lens mount to support in addition to A- and E-mount. Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but I truly doubt Sony will go M43.
And in 4 weeks 800 $
And after the Hollidays 599$
And then the braaaaaand neww much bettttttttter suba dupa mega f x t frtz1100 oenthosand
is coming..it is so nice… harhar
same fun with the rx-100-3 this is a 349,90,-$ camera.
I do not care what manufacture says and prices.
349,90–or put in your ashole
samis with Panasonic…. i do not pay the bill,, and i do not care about the factory-slaves
they are interchangable… a mass of fleshdroids not more….
The A7s is indeed selling fine based on Amazon rankings, where it is now neck and neck with the Vivitar V7020-BLK Vivicam 7.1 Megapixel camera selling for $24.99, duking it out for fifth place.
What a slugfest, I guess the market will decide for us which is the better camera, based on Amazon rankings.
I’ll wager in a weeks time the vivitar will be ahead of the a7s… Does that mean its the best camera?
And if you look at overall digital camera rankings it is sitting at 95th place. Seems like selective reporting to me.
Right even as a a7s r and normal 7 user I have to admit unless you are absolutely crazy lowlight freak both in stills and motion , it is hard to justify cost of 12mp sensor , if you are a normal average guy you will buy the r for sure unless you already own the R.
Has Canon (note I’m not a Canikon fanboy so please no flames) just laid down the gauntlet? Canon Watch posted the rumored 2015 release of the 5D Mark IV will include 4k video. It’s a “grain of salt” rated one and I don’t see a similar one on Canon Rumors yet.
http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-come-4k/
Maybe there’s some added pressure on the a99II to include internal 4k? I realize Sony marketing is determined the a-mounts won’t lead in any tech but just drag along the mirrorless line-up but perhaps they can make an exception?
Canon will release 4k video. But it won’t be a new sensor. Hence Canon’s video will not match A7s video capabilities. Whatever move Canon makes, it still won’t stop photographers fleeing the system. Because the system(DSLR) is just old and cumbersome to incorporate new technological advancements at a faster turnaround.
Unless Canon changes the system itself, things look dire for Canon users.