Today Panasonic announced the FZ-1000 superzoom (25-400mm) camera and specs and price info can be read at Amazon (Click here). At that point you will think. Why should we care about this camera? Well there are many good reasons:
1) The camera uses the same Sony RX100M3 1 inch sensor. For the first time Sony is selling their famous 1 inch sensor to an external company!
2) As suspected the RX100M3 sensor is capable of 4k. The new Panasonic FZ-1000 records 4k at 30 fps with 100mbit/s. This lead to one question. Why is this feature not enabled on the RX100M3 or RX10? I got some “word” that it has to do with a possible heating issue on the Sony’s. Something Panasonic was capable of solving.
3) The FZ1000 is an amazing competitor of the RX10: wider zoom range, 4K recording and costs $400 less! Looks like Sony has to lower the price or offer a RX20 soon…
It’s good to see competition finally starting to challenge Sony. It will force Sony to lower prices and innovate more!
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and cost 400 less, just let’s see if the zoom is as good as the Zeiss on RX10. But anyway, let’s wait for a few more challenging cameras to come and wait then to see Sony applying some more decent pricing on their small sensor consumer units.
It’s also rumored that the Panasonic LX8 will have a 1inch sensor, so probably the same Sony sensor.
Competition is good for us consumers!
is it a Sony sensor, no one has confirmed that yet.
Twice the the zoom range as the RX10, but it is and f/2-8-4 while the RX10 is a constant f/2.8. It’s a Leica branded lens, which is usually the top quality on Panasonic.
Pansonic may have solved the heat problem. But the FZ1000 is 10x larger in size and 4x heavier than the RX100m3. It also won’t fit in your pocket.
What about RX10?
PS: Will the RX10 get the 50Mbit/s option?
who compares that to rx100, all that is related is the same sensor size, not the body, it is compared to RX10 externally.
It was my impression that Andrea was comparing it to the RX100III in points (1) and (2) above. It is not just the same sensor size, it is the same sensor, which was probably the basis of comparison. No need to bite Will’s head off.
I agree that there is no real comparison between this and the pocketable RX100III.
Sounds good:
“Light Speed AF with LUMIX DFD Focus Technology
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new linear motor integrated into the focus system achieves approx. 275%
faster* focusing, compared to the conventional DMC-FZ200. In addition
new DFD (Depth From Defocus) technology shortens the time to set the
focus. It instantaneously calculates the distance to the subject by
evaluating 2 images with different sharpness levels. As a result, ultra
high-speed AF of approx. 0.09 sec** (wide-end) / approx. 0.17*/*** sec
(tele-end) is achieved. * Panasonic in-house examination. ** CIPA
standard. When using Live View Finder. *** Infinity to 2m shooting time
lag.”
good news! Time for Sony to lower their sky high prices…
Sky high prices because there was no competition. Competition is always good. Good for the consumers at least.
30p only in 4k. Why don’t just include 24p in. BY THE WAY a7s vs canon 5d mk3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGr_hXgJVGs&feature=youtu.be
Look at the sharpness and low light power, for me it is so useable even at high iso.
waiting him to post a7s vs gh4
Killer. Even with the compression youtube is imposing.
yeah. From what i see iso12800 is still maintain everything in quality. After that the noise is just like starting from iso 3000-6400 with other camera. under 50k all not bad. 102400 start noiser at shadow.
Thanks for posting that!
Even at ISO 52k the video is quite good. This camera looks like a winner.
yeah, i keep repeating watch it. It is really a different level of camera can shoot without lighting. This is what i want for carry with me all the time not my bulky fs700 and shoot photo and video randomly wihtout lighting. But i need save $$$$ first
now i cant wait to see the 15.3 dynamic range raw of someone face !!
i want to see how that sensor render skin tones , if it get that medium format look
i will forget about a99ii and go FE
I was just about to share this too! 😉 An amazing video. Check out the street lights on the lower edge of the video. The difference is detail is incredible and it stays until the very last few bumps. I’m curious to see how the two scientifically compare. The Canon make actually be holding on to dynamic range better at ~6400 ISO because the Sony starts clipping sooner—or it could be that Canon is under rating their ISOs by a lot more than the Sony.
What this means is that maybe the RX10 mark II will do the same with the same sensor. Would the LX8 be able to do 4K as well? If so, then that makes it a compelling choice. If not, then the size may be the factor why 4K may not be attainable in compact size.
According to this information LX8 will also be able to record 4k
http://www.43rumors.com/ft4-new-lx8-has-a-24-90mm-f2-0-2-8-lens/
Small camera size doesn’t seem to preclude 4K recording on the GoPro Hero 3+
The RX10 has been going on sale on Sony Rewards. This usually means that a new model is coming down the pike. While 4k would be great for all future products, it will be a while before people will have the computing power to edit 4k effectively (in their homes). Let alone have the delivery system ready for the 4k revolution. If netflix is choking at 1080P, what happens with 4k streams? Yes, there will be better compression algorithms, but still, there are several steps yet to take before 4k becomes entrenched.
It’s good to see that Sony has a competitor. I do think, though, that if you’re willing to sell your sensor to a major competitor, you must have an idea of what that competitor is coming out with. And maybe they have an idea for a competing product.
I still think that since Sony implemented 4k on their 1 inch camcorder, it may be possible to perform a firmware update on cameras using the Bionz X processor (for 4K support). The future is looking interesting. Choice is good!
Proxy editing is possible in every major editor. 4k is not a difficult to work with as some people may think.
Also and I7 and Titan make compressed 4k (AX100, only thing Ive tested), pretty painless.
I’m only wondering why the camera does 4K only in crop mode. We know the sensor can do 60fps full-readout for video, so why not downscale that to 4K ? Sony is allready doing it with the AX100 and the same sensor (recording only at 30fps though).
Let’s hope the RX10M2 will do 4K without that crop.
By crop do you mean 16×9? You would like to shoot in 3×2 mode?
@disqus_wTskUOtYzA:disqus no the camera actually only uses a portion of the 1″ sensor for 4K mode—just like the GH4 crops the already cropped m4/3 sensor down to do 4K. I’m not sure how far down it crops but I suspect it is to reduce the processing/heat required.
From EOSHD; the 4k mode turns the lens into 37-592mm
It’s great to see competition and all the camera companies working together. I find it interesting Panasonic is admitting to using a Sony sensor as in the past they haven’t wanted to confirm they were. I wonder when a FF mirrorless competitor will show up.
Sony can be an odd duck. On the one hand they desperately want consumers to upgrade their televisions to 4k, while on the imaging side they’ve been playing this odd dance – keeping 4K out of content creation tools for seemingly marginal reasons. 4k capture should be an option on the a77 II and Panasonic has proven that it could have been done on the RX10. Seems like it was planned obsolescence for the latter.
Good point, and while the lack of 4K can be comprehensible, on RX10 and even more A77II it’s quite inexplicable… looks like TV and camera departments don’t talk to each other.
common problem in a lot of companies. If its anything like the companies Ive worked for, each division is essentially a separate company under the same name (and building). Buying and selling to each other.
Sony is trying not to cannibalize its higher end sales. Panasonic has no such problem.
Well, leave Panasonic make the cameras and Sony sell the screens.
We’re still waiting for the 4K content. It’s still early in the 4K game. People will be upgrading their software and perhaps even their workstations to handle the 4K workflow. Vegas 13 already supports 4K editing and rendering. This Sony article is interesting:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/getting_on_board_with_the_4K_revolution
We are still in the beginnings of the 4K revolution. And 8K won’t be that far behind.
Fairly soon lets say Q4 2014 or Q1 2015 there will be cheaper 4K computer monitors hopefully.. and the first consumer Intel 8-core processors will get released.
And also cheaper 4K televisions.
Hopefully by then there will be a RX10 II with 4K.
Would you pay $400 more for the same camera and same specifications just to have the word “Sony” on your camera?
… thats why sony just sux.
all sony products are overpriced and as a bonus limited.
Ummm when the RX10 was released it was in a market of their own…there is no competition until today, so they could charge whatever they wanted all this time. The same happened to the RX100 mk.1 and that’s why they charged almost 700USD for it for an entire year until they released their own competition, the mk.2. With no competition this is the logical step. Now that there is competition, prices will go lower.
You do know that second generation products always tend to be lower in price. The RX10 proved that the concept was a good one. No one else took the chance to produce such a machine. Risk takers will not necessarily charge the lowest price at release. That would reduce the risk/reward ratio. Now that there is a market, hopefully more products with better features and better prices will emerge. The essence of capitalism and competition. Of course, some people refuse to understand how markets really work and decide that they’re entitled to everything at little to no cost.
troll !!
pull out your head out of the sand so you can see me. then try to qualifying me.
What about A6000? …. Geez, why are people so brand blind….
what about the a6000 ? you like the price ? 🙂 or maybe the touch screen ? 🙂 or the new firmware, that will never be released ? 🙂
The price is very fine. Everyone who used it (as far as we can trust the net) liked it.
If you only buy a camera then okay that is your choice, but for most of us it is not that important.
But I was also disappointed that the FZ1000 has no TS.
He can’t help it. He’s a nitwit.
Sony must run a very compartmentalized product development process. It’s as if no one is looking at the larger picture and attempting to incorporate all of the current technologies across the various platforms they develop for. Their decisions around codecs, 4K and other features make no sense at all. I am sure someone is going to claim that they do this to “protect” their pro video market but this is nonsense. The 4K content creation market is no longer some esoteric niche that only the pro video crowd will use. It is going to be mainstream very quickly and yet Sony is still lagging behind putting this in reasonably priced consumer products. So now Panasonic finds a way to get 4K into an $800 camera completely killing the notion that 4K is expensive or a technical challenge.
It is not about price, it is about size. A camera of the size of the RX100M3 is not big enough to get a *today’s* CPU and its cooling system built-in that is required to handle 4K compression. But CPUs will get faster and then it will be possible to put it into a device as small as the RX100.
The RX100-3 isn’t really in question, many are wondering why the rx10 doesn’t do 4k.
It’s all about price. Why wasn’t 4K put into the A7, A7r, A77II? Why is Sony still using an outdated crappy AVCHD codec in their top end camera line and then putting a pro codec in a $600 piece of crap point and shoot? They have done a poor job of aligning the product line with linear innovations in tech.
4K is hard to do. You are not giving Panasonic credit for their expertise in video. 4K is missing from cameras with capable sensors because of heat. Panasonic have spent years on managing heat in small bodies.
It’s not that difficult technologically speaking. A Go Pro can do 4K for God’s sake. Stop making it sound like 4K is some sort of holy grail. Cell phones will be doing 4K every soon. We’re past all the 4K tech hurdles now. It’s all about implementation and being proactive to the market and not reactive.
GoPro doesn’t do 4K anything. 12fps barely counts as video and they DO overheat and destroy their battery at the same time. Also the compression on it is horrendous because it has to support microSD cards which are not capable of accepting REAL 4K video like the AX1 camcorder or the GH4 or even the consumer grade stuff being offered by the FZ1000 here or the AX100 cam. 4k is merely a pixel count and is no way of measuring technical prowess nor hardware capability.
That looks like a great offering.
The AX100 records in 4K, it should have been better for Sony to offer 4k in the RX10 at least (to justify the price even after the competition jumped in)…
Admin! Wondering where did you find it uses the same sensor…? I know specs are similar..but..
The AX100 indeed records in 4k but at only 60mbs, while the FZ1000 almost doubles the bitrate to 100Mbps, the same as the GH4. The low bitrate coupled with the AX100’s sharpness causes all kinds of artifacts in the video. Adding the FZ1000 extensive image controls, and this looks all round a better choice for pro-sumer video then the Sony camcorder. The only major cons are the missing ND filters and the lack of active image stabilization in 4K video. Other then that, the AX100 looks dead in the water
The artifacts are not that bad, rarely noticeable, especially for youtube where 90% of the content is. You can shoot around problem situations fairly easily.
And those are 2 huge things. AX100 is still possibly over-priced.
I’d only wish that the FZ1000 had weather sealing like the RX10. Living in Seattle, that’s a very important feature to me. I don’t know if it’s worth paying $400 more, but if the RX10 comes down a bit in price I’d pick it over the FZ1000. I look forward to seeing how they compare on image quality.
Why are Panasonic’s faux-DSLR designs always so cheap-looking? This, and the GH4, and the GHs before it.
well in this instance it is hundreds of dollars cheaper than the RX10 LOL
But in the GH4’s instance its one of the most expensive m43s on the market.
APS-Cs too.
Come to think of it, it’s more expensive than a full frame a7!
Yeah, because of lack of competition. Show us another 4K capable camera that can record to card or give you clean HDMI for 1700€. Oh, and that is a pretty decent still shooter and has fast AF in almsost dark.
Or tell me why on earth is the RX100 III 850€? Yes, lack of competition. Why was the RX10 so much more expensive than the FZ1000 now. Lack of competition.
Why is the A6000 so cheap? You are write: Because of the strong competition.
Only, companies like Leica or Apple can afford to be very expensive even though they have competition that might be or is surpassing them in some ways.
PS: Ain’t saying that the FZ1000 bests the RX10. I think that both have their place.
First of all I need to stress that my main point here is that their faux-DSLRs look damn cheap…
And then maybe for the video they could charge so much for the GH4, for anything else you mentioned, many other m43s, or even the a6000 could give it a better run for its money.
The RX10 is a magnesium, weatherproof splashproof construct. The FZ1000 is none of those things.
Your point??
You should buy a Sony RX10 and be happy with it.
I’ll see you Sony and raise you one…BOOYAH!
You got to love how Sony sells their own sensors to other companies and gets their butt handed to them….good job hurting your own sales! lol
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Sony Imaging and Sony Seminconductor and separate companies
Exactly. Why would Sony Semiconductor hurt their own sales by only selling to Sony Imaging, when they can sell to lots of companies? The sensor business is much more lucrative for Sony than the camera business will ever be.
Exactly.
Yes, despite that the RX10 is well reviewed and received it along with all photos ever taken with an rx10 by anyone now suck.
Having onboard 4k is not handing Sony their A$$. The still picture quality from the RX10 will still be of a higher element. I guarantee it.
It would be great if Sony produced an APS/C all in one with similiar features.
That would be a killer. I’m so over with the blown whites in the videos of the tiny sensors.
Of course, that would be a completely different market segment. In the same way RX100MKIII and FZ -1000 are two completely different market segments.
Well, the FZ1000 has “zebras” to help deal with bleached out highlights, just like professional camcorders!!
If you represent any % of the camera buying public, then these cameras will rot on the shelves. If these new small sensor cameras sell (and they will), it’s just more proof that you are full of poo.
Hopefully not.
Just read the highlight of FZ-1000; if RX100MKIII is game changer, then FZ-1000 is Real game changer.
Different game.
Admin posted about this camera because he, while a fan of Sony, is a bigger m43 fanboy (he’s also the m43 rumor admin) and loves it when Pana/Oly one-ups the competitors 🙂
Why is Panasonic not a top camera company? Because they use sony sensors. See the causation?
Why have I never heard of you and are not the best commenter in the world? Well, goes without saying 😀 …
Holy crap,…forget about the sensor. It “arrears” like the ENTIRE camera was made at a Sony factory. Look at it closely. The fit and finish? The lens and the overall shape and design? It just looks so,…so,…”SONY”!
Hmmmm…..
Sony would NOT have sold them their sensor without having legal leverage over the final camera specs.
I’ll bet Sony is making more money off this camera than we think!
CT
This is nuts. This is the best rumor site but easily the most Fanboi.
Nah. Every single “brand”.com site is fanboi anonymous. Only not anonymous. Don’t ever take a sony camera into a Canon forum. Or a Nikon into a panasonic forum. Seriously. People die.
Sony Semiconductor sells sensors to lots of companies, just like Texas Instruments sells processors, Epson sells EVFs, Copal sells shutter mechanisms, and so on. They couldn’t care less about the design and specifications of the products their components will be used in.
This new Panasonic superzoom looks like their previous FZ series superzooms. Nothing specifically Sony about it.
Grow up.
Admin……..are you alright talking about Sony has to innovate more. Sony is one major innovating company. All others are just following and using Sony old parts.
By ‘old parts’ do you include ones that others use before Sony does?
Sony are making interesting bodies and very few lenses. However the best DSLR, fastest compact and best low-light camera available are all from Nikon. Leica beat Sony to full-frame mirrorless by 5 years and now Panasonic have brought 4K to the masses. Meanwhile the best lenses are coming from Sigma, Zeiss (real Zeiss, not Sony branded “Zeiss”) and Leica.
The idea Sony is the only company making progress is ridiculous.
MMM….things from the recent two years. First FF in compact body. First FF in smallest cheapest AF interchangeable body. Best PS 1inch camera. Best low light FF wonder. Sony/Zeiss makes really really good lenses. Other companies stick to old stuff over and over again with just minor upgrades. Sony invents and got the balls tot try something new period. Further more Sony invents the hart of most camera bodies from other companies like Nikon.
What about the GH4? the GX7? Now the FZ1000 with the Leica lens?
You have to leave Panasonic out of your trolling because they (like Sony) are pushing the boundaries of new camera technology. Others companies like Canon & Nikon may well be resting on their laurels, but the same cannot be said about Panasonic.
I agree. “innovate more” where? No one has innovated more in all directions than Sony has in the past 3 years. No one. Canon and Nikon have sat on their heels, Fuji has taken the Canon approach to rereleasing the same camera with various iterations until they get it right (XT-1 does it right nothing else in the lineup does but that’s what beta testing on your fanatics is for), Samsung is absolutely adamant about making sure you buy an Android no matter the cost to their camera division, Panasonic is obsessed with video to the detriment of still image quality in comparison to other cameras in the same price class (and even then, the GX7 is still AVCHD, giving the nod to the A6000 altogether…. one of those cameras has 25pt CDAF and the other has 179pt PDAF PLUS 25pt CDAF… who is innovating??). I don’t know. I think the issue is really that Sony has to work 3x harder to impress the industry and its addicts than any other manufacturer. I believe this to be the case. Just as it used to be for Olympus.
Actually, you are wrong. The Panasonic GX7 is not limited to AVCHD. I have taken many videos with the GX7 and have never yet recorded in AVCHD mode.
You’re right. The MP4 mode is even worse.
Talk is cheap.
What? You’ve got a fine camera like the GX7 but only shoot MP4? What a waste. I’ve never read anyone actually admitting to that before…the video will certainly look good on this year’s cellphones…
Wonder how hackable this is. Might turn out to be a cheap DSLR-video classic like the GH2,
Not really that impressive. When you take into account 4k is 4x the pixels of 1080P, this is like 25 Mbits/s on 1080P. Considering most Pro grade SD cards can do in access of 50MB/s, I am disappointed they didn’t include higher Bitrates for those demanding higher quality. At least give us a menu option to set our own bitrate.
not really
1080/60p 28MB/s vs 4k (4*1080)/30p 100MBs
If it were linear then the 1080/30p would be 14MBs from the left side
and 1080/30p 25MBs from the right side. But the 4K codec is supposed to be more effective.
Be careful how you switch around your B and b. B means bytes, b means bits. there are 8 bits in a byte. Also 4K is not a codec, its just a general term for the resolution size. There are various codecs competing to be the dominate player for 4K. H265, VP9, and others. I would be interested in knowing what codec that camera is encoding their 4K video. As if its just H264 its no better than our current cameras.
What?? That’s definitely not how compression works, that logic of yours is completely flawed, don’t spread false “facts” like that. 100mbps 4K is NOT the same as 25mbps in 1080p, not comparable at all.
Just take a look at GH4’s 100mbps 4K files, the grading properties, the ability to output better 1080p from these files, etc. Get yourself informed before saying such nonsense.
I guess the sensor specs and firmware capabilities give us an idea of what is coming in the LX8. If the LX8 uses the same EVF along with the 24-90 f2.8 lens then that would be a nice improvement over the RX100M3 even if it is a little larger. Based on the pricing of the FZ1000 the LX8 could come in cheaper too.
Wow, everyone complain on the lack of 4K on Sony products. To date, there are only a few SLR style cameras that shoot 4k. I don’t see all the hype. First you need a 4K TV/monitor and the horsepower to edit/play your videos. I’d guess at this point, 4K in a camera like this is more of box tick and the quality won’t really be there.
This cameras and rumored LX8 is great for cometition. It will force Sony to innovate even more and drop their prices as well. For a while, they had somewhat of a monopoly with the RX100 and RX 10 models. I’d bet Olympus comes out with something similar soon as well.
Actually 4K video makes sense even in the absence of a 4k TV/monitor. I can create far better 1080p video from 4k. Also 4k gives more cropping capabilities.
Then there is extracing still images from 4K….these are very usable.
So 4k has its value even now, before people convert over to 4k TV.
Why is this feature not enabled on the RX100M3 or RX10 ??
Because this is Sony Style – give you less for more money.
Yup. Cause before the RX100 there will like hundreds of cameras that offered similar performance in as tiny a package. Err wait !
Because the term Consumer 4k is an oxymoron. Consumers don’t need 4k video. Period. The RX100M3 still offers the best picture quality in compact camera history and the very physics of shoehorning a 25-400mm equivalent lens into that body size (plus a BSI vs non-BSI sensor) will give the RX10 the edge in still photography. IF 4K is all you need, then by all means Panasonic has it but if a quality photo product with excellent 1080 is what you need, then the RX10 still wins. Offering a feature is not the same as doing it well.
You can’t possibly know anything about the newly announced Panasonic FZ1000 except your own pig-head prejudices.
Furthermore it is not for you to make other people’s decisions for them. Many users will want 4K and you will just have to suck it up. 4k is here to stay!
I realize that 4k is here to stay. Come on. It’s clear. And thank god. BUT what I’m saying is that the single aspect of 4K being on a camera or not being on a camera is NO WHERE NEAR the only reason to buy one or not to buy one UNLESS all you need is 4K. In which case you will not buy this product. You will buy something that is really designed for video from the ground up like the GH4 or an AX100 camcorder. Something that actually allows you to monitor your sound or has a built in ND or real stabilization or perhaps full pixel readout or will allow native access to an XLR microphone. Just saying.
Whereas there is no question in my mind that the physics of the 24-200 equiv lens and the 25-400 equiv lens IMMEDIATELY gives the edge to the 24-200 where resolving power, sharpness in the corners, and MTF values are concerned. That’s just going to be true, especially since the lens on the RX10 is superb.
I’m not making other peoples’ decisions. I’m merely frothing my opinion like any other forum biter.
This still doesn’t tell why 4K is not enabled in Sony’s cameras.
Plus, 4K video offers much more than just more resolution, which includes better 1080p and color grading output from the 4K files, so please, get a bit more info before going around with fallacies.
The RX100M3 is not large enough to get a fast enough CPU with its cooling system to handle such data.
The RX10 is large enough, but the technology was not ready at that point – we are talking about a half a year old camera now. I expect it to appear in RX10M2.
And sometime small CPUs will be fast enough to fit in RX100 devices and even mobile phones to give 4K.
Why are you here? Go away Senior Stupide.
good for panasonic..finally doing something other then that stupid 4/3 trend .
something people were waiting for a long while now . descent size sensor ( for low light upto the 1600-3200iso which frankly includes most of the easy goer shooter ) . and a big range .
ill guess the focusing on fast flying . fast movement stuff is still not like the A6000 new system .but its really a great solution if you dont want too much hassle with your camera .
funny thing is its a competition even if the other side uses your own sensor . kinda win win for Sony 🙂
Apparently nobody here has heard of Sony’s line of 4k camcorders using the 1″ sensor that have been on sale nearly a year.
AX100 anyone? Even the Camera Store guys liked it and they hate anything Sony Video under $10k LOL
Though I suspect they’ll love the A7s.
But that’s a video camera, I’m pretty sure the World’s first thing is because this is a bridge photo camera with video feats, or even Hybrid, if you will, whereas the AX100 is primarily a video camcorder.
Is there any evidence that this camera uses a Sony sensor other than speculation based on the size?
No.
That should have been made clear in the title of the post then. Heavy speculation is one thing, but flat out making something up and publishing it as fact is not cool, even for a rumor site.
This page and its sister sites are doing that since they went online. It’s part of their success. 🙂
I doubt it’s Sony.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/12956/4k-899-panasonic-fz1000-beware-quirks
Any manufacturer can use whatever crop of the sensor it wants. They don’t have to use all sensor pixels, or a smaller sensor area is used in order to employ image stabilization.
I am so glad I waited on the Sony RX because now I get a camera that offers more things and cheaper in price. Great job Panasonic
And you lose a lot. Poor build, no weathersealing among the top on my list.
“Poor build” is cheap talk. State your sources!
Looks like Sony Sensor and camera department is totally independent of each other.
Of course they are, that’s part of the success.
even dslr and cybershot departments are separated, the ancient Minolta factory work on ILS systems only, while ancient Sony cybershot factory develops pocketable systems. There is just an exchange of information between both. The sensor department sells sensors only.
You don’t know if the sensor is from SCK. It could be from any of the other common sensor subcontractors such as Fujitsu, Toshiba, Aptina, Dongbu, Panasonic and so on.
IMEC or TowerJazz that they are panasonic semi-con co-operator
That sensor is NOT the RX100M3 sensor. It’s not a BSI CMOS at all, actually.
You’ve being fooled by Panasonic’s marketing words. Panasonic may had changed or customized parts of it, but overall, that’s exactly the same 1″ 20MP sensor from Sony, just like Olympus did with their E-M5 and Panasonic did with the GH3, they both share the same Sony’s sensor.
You can’t really make such a declaration as it is not yet obvious who made the sensor. Panasonic makes it own sensors such as the one used in the Olympus E-M1, and the new sensor in the Panasonic GX7, and let us not forget Panasonic developed a whole new sensor for the GH4. It is entirely possible that Panasonic developed the sensor in the new FZ1000 as well.
I said “that’s probably the same”.
It’s possible it’s a Panasonic but it’s unlikely, it’s really probably the Sony sensor. Panasonic wouldn’t make a 20MP sensor, they would make 12MP or 16MP, which are better for 4K video. Plus, it’s much cheaper to buy a sensor rather than develop a new one, even more when it’s a great sensor.
I know that Panasonic makes sensors, and the GH4 is not really a new one, it’s a tweaked version of the E-M1/GX7/GM1 sensor. If not, why did Panasonic made it so they needed to crop it for 4K? If it was really a new sensor for the GH4, they would had made it so it wouldn’t need an extra crop and possibly, it would have multi-aspect like the first two GH cameras. Panasonic can’t afford to produce a sensor exclusively for the GH line up, that’s not profitable, but I guess that next time, Panasonic will have the crop issue in mind when couting the pixels on the sensor.
You have offered no proof that Panasonic did not manufacture the 1″ sensor for the FZ1000, just more speculation and assertions, but NO facts.
You say that “Panasonic can’t afford to produce a sensor exclusively for the GH line up” ……. what kind of foolishness is that? Panasonic can afford to do what they want.
As to your reliance on the “sensor crop” to prove Panasonic didn’t develop the sensor, The sensor is designed to maximize quality in the picture taking mode whereas the video mode requires a smaller portion of the frame 16×9 ratio so naturally there must be a crop.
Your attempts to belittle Panasonic and dismiss their wide array of new products reveals something about you but does not amount to any indictment against Panasonic.
My gosh, fanboys are a pain. Belittle and dismiss? Indictment against Panasonic? What an interpretation, where did you get that from? I have nothing against Panasonic, quite the opposite, they have been stepping up lately. Panasonic’s JPEG engine was way worse than Olympus but now, the difference is very small and yet, Panasonic continues to step up in the video front – with the exception of allowing IBIS in video, but there are more chances of that happening than Olympus getting a better video than Panasonic.
First, of course I offer no proof, when I used words like “probably”, “likely”, that’s obvious that it’s speculation and analysis of what we have to base on. Why are you stating the obvious as if you are making a point?
Panasonic can’t afford, they are far from being as big as Sony and their sensor division is also not as big as Sony’s, that’s not diminishing or bashing Panasonic – you stupid fanboy – that’s just how it’s. Your argument doesn’t even make sense! 16:9 offers smaller portion? So why then Panasonic had less crop in a 1.86x crop – instead of 2x or even 2.3x – in their GH1/GH2 multi-aspect sensor for that exactly 16:9 aspect ratio? Please, try.
I guess, you can’t, can you? No, because your argument is pretty weak and nonsensical. For a fanboy you don’t seem to know much about Panasonic either. The only time Panasonic used their GH2 sensor outside the GH2 was with the last G6 camera, it’s not profitable to only use a sensor in just 2 cameras in a big span of time. In little to no time the sensor from Panasonic used on the E-M1 was laso used in the GX7, GM1 adn GH4, for a sensor manufacturer, that’s much more profitable. But, in the future, Panasonic can match the pixel count so the 4K doesn’t take the extra crop or even find a way to use and sell a multi-aspect sensor in several cameras – but only if Olympus buys it as well.
And you let aside why Panasonic would had chosen a different MP count instead of 20MP. Please, don’t be a moron, ok? Buying sensors from others is not a matter of pride or who is better – as a fanboy that lives in his own Universe would think -, it’s about business and what makes more sense. Not spending R&D in developing a new sensor allows Panasonic to make this camera cheaper and counting that this won’t be a professional video camera, the trade off is pretty good.
Sure, a 12MP sensor in 4:3 would be ideal for 4K video and sure there would be a gain not only in the full readout speed and rolling shutter control but also in DR and sensitivity, but was it necessary for such a camera? Probably not, even more if Panasonic has the GH4. So it makes all business sense to them to buy Sony’s sensor and just tweak it and I just can’t understand why fanboys take such a shame on that. Maybe in the future Panasonic may think about developing their own 1″ sensor with Fuji, maybe, but for now, it’s easier to simply buy from Sony, so I expect Fuji’s X30 to use this same 20MP sensor as well, but with the X-Trans color filter instead of Bayer one.
I’m looking forward for the LX8, if they use the same EVF as the FZ1000, that will be a great camera and for most situations, a better video camera than the FZ1000.
No XLR, no headphone, not weather sealed, not fixed aperture, no aperture ring, not BSI, requires UHS3 memory cards to do consumer grade 4K at a crop with pixel binning still taking place… It’s a great camera but the RX10 still has its place. The physics of the lens alone will allow the RX10 to still have better photographic image quality potential, not to mention in low light where the BSI sensor will win.
It’ll be another good fight to watch.
Yes sharper lens (see dpreview studio comparison), yes 1/16000 shutter speed hence no ND filter needed, yes 4K at 100MBS, yes 592mm zoom in 4K mode, yes $500 cheaper, no headphone because this is not an iPod and I haven’t seen anyone connecting a headphone to a camera yet.
Apparently you’re never shot video with sound. Or you’ve never used a camera other than the one on your Ipad. Otherwise you’d be smart enough to know why headphone jacks are critical. Go educate yourself.
Yes I did shoot video, and I have seen TV cameramen shooting video and they were not wearing headphones, because there are levels and levels of videography, and it is a bit lame to ask for headphone jack on a photography-first camera.
Which sub-$900 camera does offer all these features? I don’t know of any.
it’s not the same Sony sensor!
If it were true, I would regard this as a good thing. Sony has lousy color rendition.
Apparently that’s why nearly all other manufacturers use Sony sensors, except Fuji and Canon. Even most Nikons are sporting a Sony heart.
samsung nx-mini already use sony IMX183 sensor. So, it is not first time sony sell 1″ to others
Admin, you might want to have a read at EOSHD before getting too excited about Panasonic using a Sony sensor.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/12956/4k-899-panasonic-fz1000-beware-quirks
I can’t see any problems with their review. Plus the dpreview studio shots show that the Panasonic lens is sharper than the Sony’s.
EOSHD review, in short, states many there are a number of quirks and compromises that accompany this new Panasonic release. No ND Filter for one. F2.8 is ONLY at the widest end for another. It is MOS and not CMOS sensor (per the DPreview you reference) and further, it is not a BSI (backside illumination) type of sensor to further enhance sensitivity. EOSHD points out other issues too. Thus, it’s a sub-$1,000 4K camera. There are similar issues surrounding sub-$1,000 4K monitors as well, but that’s another issue I won’t belabor.
As for Panasonic lens being sharper then Sony’s, or stated otherwise, Leica lens is sharper then Zeiss’ lenses, this is very subjective and ultimately rests in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps this may not necessarily be a bad camera for someone who wants bragging rights for a 4K camera but does not want to pay the price for state-of-the-art and/or does not have a budget for one. For the price, It may be a decent camera, but one must then be willing to accept the inherent tradeoffs.
I have the Sony A7 for now. I am content with it. I’d like to have 4K but it’s not like I can not live without it. Waiting another half year out might be the prudent choice as the technology sets in a bit more. Besides, Fotokina will be upon us soon. That will surely generate new announcements.
is $400 cheaper than RX100MKIII! Pawnage!
also RX100MKIII (w/XACV S) is way cheaper than A7 (AVCHD2) -such ridiculous logic!
RX100-MKIII has way smaller sensor as well,for one issue. You can not use a lens of your choice for another. Sorry, but I won’t get into a discussion with emotionally charged idiots with ridiculous logic. Go buy your RX100-MKIII then.
At 1/16000 shutter speed, there is no need for an ND filter. As for the sharper lens, it is not subjective, just look at the studio comparison tool. The rest of the “problems” are more than compensated for the many extra features compared to RX10 (4K, twice the zoom, shaper lens). One minor problem is the bigger size, but at twice the zoom it may be necessary. The $500 cheaper price is the icing on the cake.
Perhaps that may be so on the ND filter. I’ll also relook at the studio comparison tool as in all honesty I did not do so in detail.
Price-wise, it definitely is a better deal then RX-10 for sure. I might still consider it as a convenient all-in-one camera to grab when I want to go light and simple for a shoot event. But, since I already have equipment, I think I’ll wait until it officially hits the market and there is more widespread feedback from real world usage.
I used the Panasonic FZ18 and FZ35 for several years before switching to a Sony A57. The FZ’s were wonderful for most of what I needed — compact, optical image stabilization, great 18x zoom range, high frame rate. Their big downfall was the crappy low-light performance due to the tiny sensor.
I love my A57 for shooting stills, but I am quite disappointed in its video capabilities. The focus speed is slow and hunts a lot (disappointing, considering that is one of the advertised strength of the SLT) and noisy (because most of my lenses use screw drive). I’m sure it would be better if I switched to a lens with SSM motor.
I took a brief look at the RX10, but quickly ruled it out because of its limited zoom range, low frame rate, and high price. It might be a great camera for some people, but it did not fit my needs.
This FZ1000 looks like something that could lure me back to the bridge camera, assuming its 1-inch sensor can do well enough in low light. I don’t care about shooting 4k video, but its ability to shoot 8MP stills at 60 fps with nearly-unlimited buffer could be a big selling point. And the ability to shoot decent video at full HD without switching lenses would be a nice bonus.
For the first time? I think that Samsung already used Sony’s 20MP on their recently announced camera.
I can’t really understand why sony would sell that sensor they use on the 100 and 10 and not retain it for themselves. They pretty much have a monopoly going on hahaha.
Because they make money out of it. Aptina, Toshiba and even Panasonic make sensors so Sony can’t sit idle and keep their sensors to themselves like Canon.
Very true.
The hanged sony products is dead. Sony RX100M3 remain seriously unsold, preorder cancelled or returned back.
Are you using a mouse brain to compose your thoughts?
I think 1 inch sensor will be the new professional standard.
As sensitivity of sensor increases many-fold (graphite)…1 inch will have more sensitivity as yesterdays Full frame. Then Nikon 1 will be the way to go with multiple lens…rather than all-in-0nes. Superzooms will be more comfortable with 1/2.3 sensors,
People can have more range in a smaller package, less to carry.
I see a great future for Nikon 1 as it will be only company with a range of lenses(wide, tele, bright) in next 2-3 years.
If Nikon 1 can start putting the better sony sensors from the rx100s in there instead of the aptina one, that is a step forward.
I agree 100%. You’d think they would have figured that out by now. Can’t be a pricing thing because the Nikon 1 system ain’t cheap so I can’t believe they’re cutting significant corners on sensor costs.
But why would Sony sell Nikon their best sensors, when they can get nothing from Nikon in return (technology wise)? Panasonic and Olympus have something to give Sony in return. Nikon? Not so much.
“New professional standard”? Naw. 1″ isn’t that. I do think Nikon has the right idea for the compact ILC market addicted to small and light. Sony, IMHO, should have gone this way with the e-mount over APS-C. Sony has the tech chops to pull this off. The 1″ sensor Nikon sources from Aptina is rubbish.
All things being equal, larger FF sensors offer advantages for professionals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtDotqLx6nA