This is the first image of the english FE lens roadmap shared by Sony.net. Like we told you before you see the two new 16-35mm f/4.0 OSS Zeiss and 28-135mm f/4.0 OSS PZ G lenses. Three more FE lenses will be announced in late summer (including the first very fast Zeiss prime).
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Same old Sony. Lots of cameras and not very many ‘good’ lenses to use on them. I used to be a loyal Sony camera customer, but gave up as Fuji’s lens options just kept getting better and better. And Fuji actually followed their roadmap to the letter
“Large” aperture prime, I hope Sony marketing doesn’t mean 1.8 as large. Time for some 1.4
Don’t they describe the 55/1.8 as large aperture?
An apt description for that is a “large prime” or “large filter rimmed prime” or a “prime with a large price”. 😉
What will the large aperture prime be? 85mm?
probably 85 or 90. 55 to 90 makes more sense
85mm seems the logical choice..
Wide 21, 24 maybe
And we need OSS in primes, specially if it is longish.
‘WE’ who is we? Stop trying to speak for everyone.
Are you speaking for everyone when you tell him to stop speaking for everyone? I’m really fine with adakshi speaking for everyone, so stop making him stop!!
Yep – as a minimum 50 and 85 f1.8 oss and a 100mm f2.8 macro.
If Sony is listening, no more 1.8/f2 please.
Why not buying A-mount 1.4 lenses?
If sony is listening, no more f2/1.8 please. if we can use 70-200 f4 with A7/7R then 85 1.4 should be just fine, if not 1.2
Cor blimey, strike a light, ‘ow much?
This can’t be right. This makes it £1000 ($1600) more than the A7R.
I’m waiting for the real shops to list a price.
The real shops have still not been given a price as of yesterday.
I only want one…. FE135mm F1.8 OSS…period! and not more than $1000.00
so you want it to be the same price as the FE Zeiss 55mm f1.8? LOL, good luck with that
the a-mount variant is double that price even withouth OSS…so won´t happen 😉
where´s the benefit of having a large heavy 85 1.4 on a small
mirrorless system camera? if you want that kind fo lenses, why not just buy an A Mount A99/77II
with the accompanying zeiss 85 1.4 and 135 1.8? or, you can use the la-ea4 adapter and use that lenses on the a7.
i am much more in hope for a compact f/1.8 or f/2 in the 90 – 105mm region. they could be made as compact as the 55 1.8. a 135 2.8 also would be very nice.
A 85 1.4 for mirrorless may be smaller than one for slr. I have a leica m 75 1.4, which imo is just about right and considerably smaller than the several slr 1.4 mid teles ive used.
a 85 1.4 would mean at least a 61mm front element, so at least a 67mm filter thread, is likely. that would be quite a substantial lens on the a7.
Yep, an 85/1.8 could get away with a 55mm or even 49mm filter – significant difference.
I have no particular desire for an f1.4 85mm. Much rather have smaller and lighter f1.8.
For months i was using a pair of contax zeiss 1.4 lenses on my a7r. 67mm filter, 600 grams. I added a small grip below the camera. Honestly i think the size and weight was very nice and not a burden. I have leica m lenses too and find the smaller oned too small and fiddly. I think my ideal is 67mm diameter, approx 500 grams.
Singlehanded autofocus operation is different, but ive used nex lenses too and also find them too small and light. Feel voyeurisic and toylike.
Above 67mm and 600 grams it gets uncomfortable for me too. But i do wonder if ppl are unduly allergic to the idea of a 85 1.4? I get that the a7 is about portability but i think 67mm 600 grams is acceptable, for me in fact comfortable.
Remember they’re RF lenses and aren’t designed for af
Add in an AF motor and the lens will not be that small. AF FF glass is going to be similar size, no matter the mount. Physics doesn’t change.
Stop dreaming guys! There ain’t gonna be a prime for e/fe mount larger than f/1.8.Period..
And you know this because?
my hope for alpha a-mount if sony just release 3 lens
updated 135 1.8 with ssm
updated 16-35 2.8 or better 14-35 2.8 ,
and fast primes (to bring trust back to a mount ) ,,, one thing freaking me to invest in current sony line up of glass is sharpness
it may sound ridiculous but if you compare the sharpness (or resolving power ) of some lenses on a99 let say is far less according to dxomark for example the 35 sigma is sharpest lens made for sony (that tested by dxo on a99) and if you compare same lens on 5dm3 it resolve more !!!
my theory is this maybe a side effect of the translucent mirror ( to degrade sharpness ) maybe i am wrong , currently i have a65 so want to upgrade to ff , if the above is true to some degree i may go mirrorless for that reason , hope give me your opinion on this
I own the a-mount 16-35 and 24-70 (with a99). Despite dxomark, in my direct comparisons they are far sharper than the canon 16-35 (used on 5d2 & 1dx) and the canon 24-70 I ( used on 5d2, 5d3 & 1dx). They are also better built.
My only improvement request for the 24-70 would be internal zoom (smoother for video and no lens creep when walking around).
i will continue with my research but thank for sharing , i will try to see for myself (real life examples ) from both systems coz there is thing to love in sony system for sure 🙂
I only want one – FE 50 F/1.8 OSS.
and for not more than 500$
I’d happily pay around £700 for that
Seeing that the roadmap only shows Zeiss glass, not expecting that anytime soon.
425 Euros is my price for that lens. Had it been a bit smaller with a 49mm filter thread I would pay close 525. Too big and 2X the Japanese prices. No to all FE lenses!
what’s too big and 2x the japanese price? the FE 55/1.8? it has a 49mm filter thread.
Regarding the price I guess you based your claim to my previous post on my purchase in Tokyo. Be aware that I bought them in special discount shop, so it’s not fair to compare the official european price to a discount price in Japan.
Comparing official price from EU/JP and you have a rebate of 25 to 30% in favor to the japanese but not specifically for Sony products but to everything since it’s the actual currency change rate between Euro and Yen.
In my last trip to Japan in 2011 the yen was as high as the Euro so everything was the same price that in Europe and I didn’t bought anything.
Like I said it was special discount shop that are hardly shop, in fact they mostly sell over internet but some of them allow over the counter sell in their warehouse. They are very difficult to find and I mentioned it to Vlad because I knew from his previous post that he speak japanese and I figured out that he was in some kind related to the country and therefore be able to find them but I can’t hardly recommand it to a newbie in Tokyo. In my first trip in 2008 I spent 3 days trying to find those shops with no success. Also their stock are very limited 4/5pces from time to time.
The japanese market is also very specific since everything is compare to everything, you don’t need to wait for a mkII product to appear before seeing a mk I get discount you just need and equivalent product from an another brand to come out even though it’s just a couple month away because they crave the last new thing.
And you can make very good deal in Europe too. I bought my brand new FE Zeiss 24-70 for 430€ in France and I can assure you it’s not crappy at all unlike all the people whom had never touch one claim.
Where did you buy the sel2470z in France at that price??
Everyone that wants a 1.4 can buy an laea4 and enjoy your huge lenses. F2 90 mm please!
A 90 f2 wont be smaller than a 35 1.4 at all.
Nope, but it’ll be sure smaller than an 85mm 1.4
Your expecting a 90/2 pancake, presumably?
Some grey importing price gouging ebay store does not = final uk price. I’ll be waiting on a reputable price.
Camera Centre are a UK seller, selling Sony UK stock with European warranty.
However, they are not always the cheapest, so this price might be inflated. When they are the cheapest, it is usually because they are selling split kits – some people are fine with that, I’m not, especially when it is not made clear.
häh … same old news? …don’t understand this post…
This blog operates on referral income. You should not need any further info to understand why you see so many pointless posts always filled with links to click.
The above is not the first image of the English FE roadmap, Photoscala published it on the 1st of May:
http://photoscala.de/Artikel/Sony-bringt-zwei-neue-Kleinbildobjektive-fuers-E-Bajonett
I am interested to know what the other grey tab lens under “Large aperture prime will be. As it looks like we will have that announced in the not too distance future as well.
Considering that it is the only one greyed out, I’m thinking it might cannibalize one of the existing lenses and that’s why it’s still a secret.
So maybe it’s a 35/1.8, or a variable aperture tele.
Maybe a fast 35. Since its MF, they could easily do that. Especially if the other fast aperture prime is an 85. Sony would have AF in 35, 55, 85 and Zeiss already a fast MF 35 which some people crave for (me included). So it’s the most probable scenario.
If they release a 55/1.4 MF that wouldn’t make much sense. Fingers crossed.
I don’t believe this roadmap includes any of Zeiss manual focus lenses (or any other 3rd party lenses makers). So all these lenses will be autofocus unless they use STF or T/S technology.
Zeiss isn’t 3rd party really. Are they? The 5 (or 6) primes may be on the list. What should the other 5 lenses be? Cheap lenses by Sony? G Lenses? That much? No way.
*many
Actually they are. As has been debated here and elsewhere on the internet ad naseaum Sony/Zeiss lenses (like all the existing FE lenses) are designed/made by Sony wish some degree of input or approval from Zeiss. The Zeiss Touit line, for example, is a Zeiss only line of lenses which is one reason why they still do not have PDAF support because they are not officially supported by Sony—just like the Sigma DN series lenses.
The manual focus Zeiss lenses were announced only by Zeiss and appear no where on Sony’s announcement or literature. Go look!
What’s funny is I think yours is the first case of someone on the internet implying that Sony has finally made enough lenses! Yes, Sony could complete their Prime line up (CaNikon have almost two complete lines of primes ranging from 16 to 600mm) which is much more than 5 lenses. They could introduce a line of budget zooms. They could also introduce more “exotic” glass like a line of tilt-shift lenses (the FE cameras would be great for this) or more STF portrait primes. Macro is another area where superior EVF/live view would give Sony an advantage. So they could come out with Macro and Normal/portrait versions of the 50/90/180mm lenses (what would be five lenses already since we already have a 55mm).
So, no, I don’t think Sony will have any trouble coming up with 5 more lenses to make and sell even with Zeiss creating its own line of competing manual focus lenses. Samyang’s existing offerings don’t take away from the native ecosystem and in fact I’d love for Sony to go back to encouraging more 3rd party support by opening up with the PDAF routines.
You know what would be great? Doing the STF for E-mount. Why? Well, it breaks PDAF autofocus, but, it would work just fine with CDAF, so they could actually produce an AF version of the greatest bokeh lens ever. That would be just fine.
agreed!
A7s = 70% more expensive in the UK than the USA, I don’t beleive the price quoted will be the real street price
2499 GBP is more than 3k EUR. Let’s hope this is just one of those dealers who wants to milk the guys who can’t wait …
Some Cheap Emount APS-C lenses please… Not everyone into FullFrame…
I’m curious, what kind of APS-C lenses would you hope for? I’m fine with the aps-c form factor too.
50 1.4, 85 1.4, 90 2.8 macro
SEL70300G
Just being picky, but, 70-300 class is typically a full frame lens. Of course, I’d be happy to see a 70-300 class FE lens if it was as good as the 70-300G for alpha. And I’m sure it would be just dandy on APS-C as well.
2500 GBP is how much in $? 😀 I love it
2499 GBP = 4205 US $ = 3070 EUR, this is crazy.
B&H offers the A7s for 2498 US $ (1824 EUR, 1484 GBP)
EU & UK prices typically include VAT (sales tax) of 18-20%. US prices do NOT include sales tax (typically 6-8%). This is the majority of the difference in pricing. Stil a bit more expensive but not as dramatic as you highlight above. UK and EU retailers and electronic vendors cannot avoid VAT.
US prices don’t include sales tax because they can avoid paying it if they know how. So the massive difference stands, GB/EU is a rip off.
2499 GPB for an A7s = the end of Sony just like their sinking TV sales.
If you want a cheaper American one I’ll buy it & ship it to for 10% commission. I’ll open it up if you like and ship the box separately so it doesn’t appear new.
Mighty kind of you and I thank you for it. 🙂
I will have to decline that kind offer though.
Shouldn’t you be able to get it from Hong Kong for a lot cheaper? There are al kinds of companies who ship most electronics at least to multiple European countries 20-30% cheaper.
The macro prime (100 or 105 f2.8 G OSS) will be stellar but the Zeiss uwa zoom is a big challenge especially in the contest of the pretty mediocre Zeiss 24-70 f4 OSS that was easier to be made to have good iq.
Regading prices…a product that in the US is 2000 $ it will have a price of 2000 euros or 1900 pounds. Conversions don’t apply in those cases and everybody can compare prices of existing products (in non-rebate form)
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
105 or FE 30/3.5 macro for $2000 ? 🙂
hahaha
i’m sorry! it’s a sony!
no offence pls!
So the grey one is a Zeiss prime? Nice. Please let us know, when you have more info on those (all 3). I’m really looking forward to the Macro and the Zeiss primes.
The 55 is amazing, and the 35 I’ll probably sell as soon as a faster one arrives. I like MF, so no problem there.
Digitalrev will have this at a much more sensible price. $2500 does not equal £2500!
Bring on the macro! Anything from 90mm to 105mm. Am really waiting for this.
Aren’t Zeiss doing a range of large aperture MF primes? (any thoughts if these are included on this list? or is that next year?)
my guesses for the last two lenses:
1) Given the only other grey bar is the cheap 28-70mm, could the last lens for ’14 also be a cheapish zoom/prime?
2) For the large aperture prime, i’m guessing its a 85mm 1.8. Given they already make a 35 & 55mm prime. I doubt they would duplicate focal length on primes for now and would prioritize extending the lens range. maybe when the Zeiss MF lenses come will will get overlap with larger apertures.
If they ended the year with
Primes: 35, 55, 85, 100 (macro). They would cover most applications (wide angle excluded of course) & fully covered zoom range: 16-35, 24/28-70, 70-200. At this point, It would be pernickety to criticize the lens range. ’15 could be used to fill in the gaps (wide angle prime, larger aperture MF, some prime teles, etc). Then in ’16: update the range. premium 2.8 zooms, new coatings, etc.
Due to the size/weight is unlikely that 2.8 zoom will ever be made. The only 2.8 zooms will be for the A mount…usable by the A7 with adapter.
The last 2014 grey bar could be a 70-300 4-5.6 OSS and the larger aperture prime could be the 85 1.8 or a 135 f2…
No biggie on going to the A mount for the 2.8’s but we need sony to offer 5-axis ibis in the emount first.
While I see them on the chart, where have they been officially announced? i.e. availability, pricing, official photos, etc. I *want* to get excited…
These charts are coming from Sony. In a prior announcement, they also directly mentioned the 16-35 and 28-135 lenses as well as showing a prototype of the 28-135. Really, these things are not even remotely “rumors” at this point. They are quite openly announced as upcoming lenses. Think of the announcements as roadmap modifications/updates and not lens announcements. That is to say, a lens announcement is when Sony officially tells us a time frame to expect a lens and its likely final specs. This is less than that, but, at least an acknowledgement that these lenses are coming next.
Don’t know why SAR continue to feature “pre order RX100III” in Europe as no price released yet in Euro or £Sterling. I wonder why? Maybe Sony are still debating internally what kind of premium over US prices they can get away with. If US sales are above expectation they may ramp up the EURO & £ prices to maximise returns. Who knows what is going on. I want an RX100III, but not at any price.
I just want that 16-35 ASAP. Once my 70-200 ships after repeated delays, adding the 16-35 to my 24-70, I’ll be all set. But since they haven’t even shown a prototype of a 16-35 yet, this roadmap, like all Sony roadmaps needs to be taken with a grain of salt. They actually do usually end up shipping the products on the roadmap but the time scale is off by 3-6 months.
The rate at which Sony has been releasing new lenses for FE is vastly faster than they have ever been for any mount or sensor size in the past. Yet, still slower than Fuji :-/ and of course, never fast enough for us silly impatient customers.
yawn….this is just a rehash of the same post over and over again
the real news to report would be WHEN the 16-35mm will be available….the picture/specs of the lens would be helpful as well 😉
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Still not a single high quality zoom in E-Mount? I know, i know, it will be “too large.” But there are people who own E Mount camera other than these tiny NEX 5’s and 6’s. For the FS700, i would LOVE a 16-50 2.8 about the size of the A-Mount version. I’m astounded this isn’t already out, or in the works?
Yeah, right now you can try the A-mount Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, which is stabilized (albeit quite weakly). Or just use the A-mount 16-50–which will “get” a more or less useable manual aperture ring if you use a novoflex adapter or a cheap adapter instead of the Sony electronic ones.
@ Andrea:
Is there any specific reason you keep talking about a “very fast Zeiss prime”? After all, the roadmap only contains a “fast prime”, which is what Sony calls the 55/1.8 as well. Fast, but certainly not very fast. I remember you taking a Sony lens designers “no, mirrorless is more focused on size, so we are not going to make very fast lenses” as a “yes”, because he added he’d like to design an ultrafast lens if he had the time. But other than wishful thinking, are there any reasons to believe a faster than 1.8 prime is coming? (Not that I’d want one, thank you very much)
The grey line in 2014 might be one of the very fast Zeiss MF primes. With the rest coming next year. 5 total.
Aren’t these unlikely to appear on the Sony roadmap, as they are “pure” Zeiss lenses? BTW, as there are 5 more grey lenses on the list for next year, this would imply Sony making only one AF lens themselves. Also, Zeiss has never mentioned these lenses were going to be “very fast” as far as I know.
When is that 28-135mm coming available?? That’s nice to see it listed!!
Well finally my FE 70-200 has shipped from B & H . I ordered mid March .
It has to be a 85. Sony has been anti-85,135, and anything above the 210 range(not counting the FE 70200G) since e mount was created.
The lens I would like
100-300mm f3.8-4 macro for A mount
Now I see its kind of a good thing sony release new/updated cameras quickly. I expect the next new camera after the a7s should have 4K internal recording, and UHS-II support (hardware). Must solve overheating issues. It is an embarrassment to record an event and then tell the people to please wait “my camera overheated, let me go get another camera.” That has happened to me. Sony has to put this together. Get the mechanic and tech/software team together and make a solution.
1.) upgrade SD card reader to UHS-II;”if the camera can write faster than it shoots, there will be little to no buffering”
2.) Get rid of in-camera image compression(its only for JPG) or Just shoot RAW. The camera runs a compression level 2,3, or 4(max compression), and instead of you getting 11MB-14MB(compression level 1(least compression)[nex7 24MP image] you get 3MB-8MB ). first, you lose quality over size{have you ever notice why did the picture look better on the camera before you actually took it(in JPG)thats Compression level 2-4. second} its a process that the camera has to do. More work=more heat. I bet there is a lot more going on(processing wise) in video recording that instantly takes your camera into a furnace. Clearly, the camera hardware is levels below what the “modern” software is pushing at it.
I believe that if Sony solves these crucial problems and produces new cameras without hardware and software issues. Cameras that don’t rely on “handicap accessories”(ex: 4K external recording only). Truly it will be a camera to desire without second thought.
Next gen. cameras probably: a99II(54MP)$2,999-$3,199,
a9r(54MP)$2,999-$3,199,
a9(36MP),$2,699-$2,799
a9s(24MP)$2,699-$2,999
but we hope less $pricy 😀
-Sony’s own art lenses:G or Z 35F1.4, 50F1.4, 85F1.4
First thing that comes to mind when I hear “Electronic Shutter” is it will never wear out like a physical mechanism.
These things evolve over time, just like any technology. Just because you want something now, doesn’t mean you can override the laws of physics, or produce technology ahead of the curve. smh
Actually tech can advance(IS advancing every day) “ahead”. In fact companies already make better tech but don’t release the BEST so they can slowly add upgrades and make more money that way. They are purposely holding back. Companies don’t give people the best so there was always something “better” coming in the future. That keeps the public in the state of “Oh whats next” or always wanting more. Give the public your best and they will be blown away. Satisfied and wont upgrade for a long time. Engineers and designers are always making new hardware and blueprints. That’s what they are paid to do.
Even if that’s true, they are businesses. If that’s what they want to do to maximise profits, that’s their choice.
How dare they ‘hold back’ stuff YOU feel entitled to, despite the fact they spent the money developing it. I shake my head once more.
Yes. All profit for them for stretching tech advancement, but the consumer is always losing a % of money. Also don’t forget waiting for a new release. Time. Wait and wait.
These are luxury items, whichever way you look at it. If you can afford to buy them, you can afford to lose the money.
This desire always for the latest technology is what drives the ‘upgrade society’ we now live in, and will ultimately result in a poorer world for us all.
So having a Full Electronic Shutter will make your loud Zeiss Glass silent. Yes?