UPDATE: Sony announce the stuff today (May 16):
Sony A7s preorder in USA at Amazon US (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), SonyStore (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.
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These are the first images of the amazing new RX100M3 that will be announced on May 16 at 5am London time. I kindly invite you all to follow the announcement live here on SonyAlphaRumors!
As you can see the RX100M3 has a high-resolution built-in pop-up viewfinder. The camera costs 849 Euro or $899 Canadian Dollars. The amazing new features compared to its predecessors are:
1) Zeiss 24-70mm f/1.8-2.8 lens which is wider and brighter than the previous Zeiss 28-100mm f/1.8-4.9 lens
2) 0.39″ SVGA electronic viewfinder pop-up OLED viewfinder with 1,440,000 dots.
3) Built-in ND filter
4) XAVC-S video recording just like the Sony A7s
Some people complained that the compact is very expensive but they do forget that an external viewfinder usually costs $200-300 (here at Amazon) and ont he RX100M3 it’s included and nicely hidden when you don’t need it. That way the camera remains truly compact!
The new camera is 2,5mm thicker than the RX100M2 (and 5mm thicker than the first generation RX100). Full specs can be read here: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-rx100miii-priced-at-899-canadiad-us-dollars-full-specs-leaked/.
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I’m afraid a viewfinder is more of a toy on such a camera. Should better pack a bigger battery and more processing power into it…
I disagree. I think it will be useful :).
The viewfinder does provide redundancy if the screen goes down.
Initially I was against it, but now I think I’m for it–the redundancy is valuable, and an extra battery is easily carried in a pocket.
The RX100 III is of similar size as the Pana LF1 with its (optical) viewfinder — which, TBH, is completely useless because of its substandard quality.
I’m sure Sony’s EVF will provide a much more usable solution. Yet with this size of camera a viewfinder is more of a gimmick that eats up battery. I liked versions I and II. Sony should have concentrated on improving IQ — and not on adding many more bells and whistles to make it look like a fascinating toy.
WRONG.
For people with poor closeup vision a VF is NECESSARY. Putting on reading glasses every time, or holding the camera at full arms length to read the LCD, is not fun. And there are many out here who are like that.
Plus a VF makes framing and stabilizing easier as well. A viewfinder is NEVER just a “toy” on any camera, and this is a pretty decent spec EVF.
You’re right about the impaired vision good point. And the LF1’s viewfinder is electronic, but it looks like an optical cheapo.
Sounds good
Looks good!
where is the hotshoe!
Already has a evf and a flash, adding a larger flash would go against the size of this camera, so sony most likely just removed it
I would rather have a hotshoe than built in flash, for my needs I do a lot of off camera flash, so the sync is awesome on a leaf shutter.
looking at the flash, it looks like there might be some kind of attachment that could fit under the pop up though. Going to hold out hopes of a mountable MI shoe.
Honest question…Why do you use a compact for that sort of work? I’m guessing here, but what you described sounds like studio work yes? Compact systems don’t seem like the best choice available for that sort of work…what am I missing?
The leaked spec said it has a MI hot shoe. Must have been a cut n paste error from the RX100II spec I guess.
A shame, as I would have liked to add the external mic for video…
“It’s not a trick, it’s a SONY!” – Super Cool!!!!!
looks pretty sexy 😀
Cool viewfinder 🙂
…is there any info yet about whether the sensor is read out in its integrity like the rx-10 or does line skipping like the rx-100?
regardless this looks like a truly fantastic camera
I’d say, based on the current info (same video specs as with the RX10), it’ll be read in its entirety.
…”entirety”, you are correct. I got it confused with “integralité” in french.
Where’s the hot-shoe??
None. Nada. All because they listen to EVF complainers! But I guess sales will skyrocket though.
Andrea you do understand that it doesn’t cost $300 for Sony to manufacture the external EVF?
Of course. But that’s what you have to pay. And you don’t have to pay them anymore when you have the RX100M3.
There is a disconnect between the first photo and the others, the flash has a hotshoe shaped gap in the first photo but isn’t there on the others?
I am not sure I fully understand what you mean?
Not saying that it’s too expensive camera, just pointing it out.
Yes. it’s true. Too expensive 🙁
I’m struggling to find something bad on this camera, so it must have been the price…
It still remains to be seen if the OIS and the lens are any good. Let’s not forget that, for example, the 12-32 GM1 kit lens is especially good at those – unlike the previous two RX100’s.
lol
Some people complained? what are you talking about. This never happens on SAR.
Absolutely magnificent.
This has to be the greatest pocketable camera in the world.
I’m surprised that Sony is not making a bigger deal out of this.
If this was Apple we would have a one hour presentation in San Francisco on how great this camera is how it was built with all the great functions.
Sony needs to step up its marketing.
Yes, mate. Sony should be all out with this to everyone from new-borns through soccer moms, travel daddy, lucky neighbor, amateurs and pros.
This has the appeal of functionality beyond any compact every made until today.
Sony marketing need a kick in the pants!!
Let’s wait for the official announcement. So far only some specs and images have been leaked so they are doing it right like Apple to create some hype ahead 😉
There’s no need for Sony to advertise this thing. If I was Sony I would spend the whole marketing budget just telling all the competitors how they are my bitches!
I really like all the features of the RX100 mk3, but i really thought they would have slimmed the camera in width and elongated in length. The primary design objective should have been true pocketability. I doubt pocketing this in an average sized pants pocket, forget jeans unless those big baggy. This will fit in a winter jacket though, otherwise you will need to bring another camera bag for this, just like any other camera which doesnt make sense to me. I think Ricoh GR is at the moment the best high quality true pocketable compact with that crazy apsc sensor. The above is just my opinion.
A size comparison
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Thanks for your help Anoop!
Welcome andrea
Ricoh GR lens is F2.8 and doesn’t have a zoom! RX100 is 24-70 and F1.8 at wide angle!
Apple and oranges
I will take RX100 anyday over GR
Hi I do like all the features like the EVF, faster lens, connectivity and all, but i just wished for a slimmer profile and ergonomics. Even if we agree RX100mk3 is pocketable in large pockets if we wanted to debate,i didnt feel it comfortable when i tried the mk2, except in a jacket pocket, that i was all saying, since Rx100 series is all about true pocketable stealth street shooting! 🙂
F%&^ it’s real!!!!!!!!!!!
Man.. I’d rather have a hotshoe over a pop-up EVF. Man, what are they thinking.
What for?
to have a flash that you can bounce.. that little tiny flash doesnt look like you can direct it anywhere than straight forward.
the 58/60 flashes for example you can direct anywhere you want.
Im guessing the smaller Sony flashes can be directed also ?
Make that flash a slave for this small flash?
I know it’s all about choices… but 🙂 you gonna carry this tiny little compact and… an external flash?
ofcourse no , but you can use it as a compact most of time and when you need flash or external mic you have the option to use it through the hotshoe
to me the external mic is the important thing to use with hotshoe , but as a package the rx100 mark3 looks great and I will buy it and get used to sync audio on post editing when I need external mic
Clip on EVF, radio trigger, bigger flash…
I’m not against EVF per se, I just think that P & S sized camera doesn’t need it. They are so light, you can easily frame photos smartphone style.
I love to see it on RX-1 class.
Then I’d also argue that such a camera does not need a hot shoe, but that might just be me. Actually RX100M2 + ext. EVF costs more than the RX100M3, yet the ext. EVF seems to be bigger, though.
Even in the bright light?
Redundancy in case the main screen goes down.
Mate, people would never be happy.
Some in the crowd: “Meh! I want an integrated EVF…!”
Othes: “Meh! I want a hotshoe”
The rest: “ITS A REALLY SMALL CAMERA!”
I like it much more this way… seems you can’t make everyone happy 🙂
Big pics:
http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_main_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate1_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate2_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate3_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate4_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate5_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate6_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate7_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate8_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate9_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate10_v786.png http://store.sony.ca/SNYNA_31/pimg/pSNYNA-DSCRX100M3_alternate11_v786.png
Is the video based on RX10 or line scipping as the previous RX100?
Where is the hot shoe mentioned in the specs ?
Excellent! One really can’t ask for more in such a small camera. Maybe a touchscreen would be a nice touch ;), but it’s almost perfect the way it is. If they managed to improve sensor and processor a bit, it’s going to blow away many (more) rivals.
I’ll be damned. The first ever f”£$ing pop up EVF!
Amazing. It makes this camera worth that much more.
Oh man…RX1 with the pop up EVF?
Admin…intel on that?
It will be OK if and only if the physical pop-up mechanism is robust…something about which I have my doubts. I have used the mechanical pop-up flash mechanism in the Nikon 1 series, and it sucks.
That’s my main reservation about this camera. Sony are great at miniaturisation, but often at the cost of reliability and durability.
I had Sony’s smallest walkman ever, a WM-10.
( http://www.walkmancentral.com/products/wm-10 )
It was smaller than a cassette box, but gave up the ghost after playing less than 100 tapes!
Will it read full pixels with video recording like a7s did?
Probably yes, the RX10 did the same and it uses the same sensor.
It would be a shame to have XAVCS and not read the full sensor.
$h!t man…only Sony can make a pop up flash and a pop up EVF fit right above a screen in a thin body. These guys are the gurus of miniaturization and people are not shouting and celebrating this? The RX series should have its own section at MOMA.
My practical self just thought of this…:
The EVF seems to not only pop up, but also slide back. So, to put it back, you need to slide it forwards and then push it down.
As you do this, would you not be at risk of fingerprints on the EVF?
It annoys the $h!t out of me when I get a smudgy EVF.
OK, OK, It is still an engineering feat and I am grateful for it.
I will still get this camera…DAMN!
My guess is it will retract mechanically when being pushed down.
I would approve of that method.
I have my doubts as to its durability.
I particularly like the semi transparent body that lets you see the processor (silly grin)
Absolutely, just the EVF is astounding even from the picture, it really looks like they have perfectly nailed it.
shut up and take my money! 🙂
There you have it. The hotshoe is the new problem with the RX100 III. People still have a reason to bash it and not to buy it, great ! :))
Mark 4 will have it.
I don’t see why lack of a hot-shoe should be an impediment. Sony has built this camera for compactness and easy carry. Considering that design goal, a hot-shoe would only work against the design causing the user to carry more junk to mount on the hot shoe.
The new design – built in flash, built in EVF, built in lens cap frees the user from needing or carrying a lot of stuff which is unnecessary.
Considering the several cameras I own which have hot-shoe, I never mount anything on any of those hot-shoes.
Looks like a solid design concept – excellent for a carry-around and/or a 2nd camera.
To me, the big problem is which is more used in a camera like this, if a viewfinder or an external flash/mic. My personal opinion is that, if you want to bring around a camera like this, you just want to minimize your weight/volume, so it’s highly unlikely you will bring around a bag with tons of stuff.
It’s still a “point and shoot” camera and I personally like this one much more, besides the faster and wider lens makes it perfect for a travel camera, usually used without flash or what else. I really don’t think the absence of an hotshoe is much of an issue and I would like to know how many people use that on the MKII, for my guess is that is a very small part compared to how many will use the viewfinder 🙂
I use the ECM-XYST1M mic on my RX100M2, so the lack of the hot shoe in the RX100M3 is a deal-breaker for me.
Also, the flash has been re-designed and it looks to me that you won’t be able to tilt it back to bounce, something I do a lot on my RX100M2.
Yes of course everyone has his own personal needs, what I’m saying is that, for the kind of camera the RX100s are, I think the viewfinder is more important than an hotshoe. And that, if you can bring around a flash, maybe you would also consider a mirrorless camera instead of a pocketable one, won’t you?
Very true !
No. Flash improves your photos, external flashes are better than mirrorless’ cameras in built flash so you’d have to carry arround your flash too. Having a lens like the one on the RX100 would surely need you to bring at least 2 lenses, etc.
Also, HVL f20m let’s you control other flashes wirelessly so we still don’t know if we can do this with in built flash.
Why a viewfinder is more important than a hotshoe? I don’t get it, it won’t improve your photos. Just when there’s sun light hitting the screen but with a tilting screen this problem becomes less important and viewfinder will just leak battery life.
Also, there’s a external EVF for Multi interface.
I’m sorry but I’m afraid I didn’t explain correctly my point: I say that, with a mirrorless other than the very entry level ones, you may have the chance to attach a flash and still have a relatively light camera.
Moreover, the EVF CAN let you take better photos if you are in direct sunlight but also if you simply have to keep your camera still, handeld… and in general, composing on a viewfinder (be it electronic or optical) is radically different than on a screen and can make a difference. Moreover, many people – me for example 😛 – rarely even use a flash, especially when on the move, and this camera is basically thought to be used while travelling and in all those situasion when you cannot bring a bigger, heavier one.
About lenses, you will have to bring more than one if you want the same focal range and aperture… but for just the first one the kit one is enough and you still have the versatility to use it at focal lenghts not available on the compact.
I don’t know, honestly it seems to me that you among others are asking this camera to have EVERYTHING, in the size of a cigarette package 😀
I agree that the multi-interface offers great chances but then again… why choose a pocketable camera if you still bring with you other accessories that force you to use a bag? This is a camera that can be well brought around in your pants pocket, which I wouldn’t with an RX100 MKII with attached EVF. And which I personally would bring with me when I want to have just a camera with me, with the least hindrance possible, while I don’t see much limitation in using a mirrorless if you want more versatility instead 🙂
Everything, of course, IMHO 😉
I understand what you are saying, but to get the most out of mirrorless you can’t just make do with the kit lens. I don’t like swapping lenses, and it looks like the RX100M3 is going to be better than mirrorless with kit lens.
I’m considering an A6000 because it has the hot shoe for my mic. But while the A6000’s sensor is 1.5 stops better than the RX100M3 (based on the RX100M2 DXO ISO scores), that lens is 2 stops faster. So the RX100M3 is actually 0.5 stops better than the A6000 with kit lens.
Yes but what I’m saying it’s not that I think this is the best configuration for ANYONE. Just that I think this is the best for what I would use the camera and, on a very personal guess, what could be the most popular, since I guess that most people tend to chose an RX100 over other compacts exactly for its extremely reduced size.
Now I could be wrong, that’s just my impression 🙂
Anyway, I think the RX100II still remain as a great alternative, the lens is good enough and the image quality should be comparable. I guess that for video shooters, codec apart (could it be upgraded via firmware?) the bigger difference would be the missing ND filter, which is apparently presente in the MKIII.
I think the best answer would be to make it a controller for a radio controlled flash system.
If you care enough to use a flashgun, you should want the flash off the camera (even if it’s just a flash bar that screws to the tripod socket).
Then you could have the built in flash that’s always available, and a fast synching leaf shutter flash system better than most pro SLRs when you need it.
What is the multi interface shoe?
That is a truly compact camera that does literally fit in your pocket, unlike E-Mounts, which are not. RX series is the one where Sony seems to do everything right.
I can easily pocket my D and my balls in my pants. So this camera won’t be a problem.
Rocket-Pocket?
Should be plenty of room for the camera, assuming your pants are skin tight. 🙂
Any idea Andrea whether the flash can trigger WIRELESS Flashes? That would be rocking…:-)
You could always use the on camera flash to trigger other flashes via peanut slaves if you needed a work around
of course is is an option with any camera 🙂
However im asking about wirless flashes w. TTL and ratio.
fair enough………..
Very impressive!!
WOW! Impressive, I like it. A Swiss Army Knife 🙂
I have Sony A57 , and I’m going to sell it and buy this as my only camera for the next year (or maybe few years )
this is almost the perfect camera for my use cases , and can’t wait for the official and full announcement tomorrow
Disaster again. The RX100 was great. The Mk II got thicker. Now this Mk III got even thicker. I can’t fit the Mk II into my jeans pocket anymore. (I just took it out to a party the the day and it was a pain to carry it around.)
Why a built in viewfinder? It adds to the weight and bulk only. Who needs that??? It is equally retarded to the hot shoe on the Mk II.
This is supposed to be a compact camera!!!
The re-positioning of the flash is a welcome change. it was much needed.
How much do you figure the built-in viewfinder adds to the weight of the RX100 MkIII?
If the added weight of the EVF causes the user to walk with a list, he could put a nickel in the opposite side pocket to help balance the load. 😉
So don’t buy one. I will. Now it got all I want: flip screen, reasonable wide and fast lens, viewfinder. If the lens performs how it should I’m in …
I agree. EVF for a compact camera like this is quite ridiculous. It reminds me of Canon G1X stupid optical viewfinder – it’s too tiny to be useful.
the rx100m3 EVF is the same size and resolution as A6000 and A58 🙂 it’s nothing like the G1X OVF
Thanks for clarification!
I would never buy any kind of camera without either a built-in {preferably} or an
add-on EVF, The hold up in front of your face mobile phone style is for many an
abomination {then so are skinny jeans lol }. You have daylight hitting the
screen making composing annoying, then in low light you get to have a spotlight
shining on your face. It is all a matter of personal needs/wants there are no shortage
of those desiring an EVF.
I have to disagree with you, this is a carry arround camera, the viewfinder isn’t as much as needed and I really would have preferred the Multi interface, because it gives you more possibilities. You can either put EVF or a flash. If you have a EVF but not a multi interface you just have a EVF.
Thats cool Abel we all have our on personal list of what we would like . For my intended use an EVF is of far more importance to me .Though assuming the images above are correct there appears to be a multi socket on the side of the camera
Ridiculous. First you say that it is a carry-around camera, then you ask for more possibilities (more things to carry around).
Well, jeans are supposed to be skinny. If your balls are not sweating, they are too baggy (or you’re listening to hip-hop:)
99% of people under 30 don’t knows what a viewfinder is… Nor do they care… I’ve been handed DSLRs before to take pictures of tourists in live view with terrible AF… 🙂
I prefer a viewfinder too. But not in a camera that is supposed to fit into my tight fitting, bright red jeans.
One thing you could do is connect the camera to your phone, and use your phone’s screen in whichever angle the sun doesn’t shine on it. And that screen will tilt in whichever way you want it to. Try it. It’s pretty neat.
Come on Man, bringing sweaty balls into the discussion is a step too far lol. I suspect that the target market for this kind of camera will be far more savy and fully aware of what an EVF is. I can see it appealling to many system camera users who do not want to carry a load of gear everywhere.
Now, you want me to bring a tripod to mount my camera on while I am screwing about with Wi-Fi link to my phone. Or am I in the fortunate position of having something handily situated to sit my camera on just exactly where I want it , my phone screen is just as crap in bright sunlight as the camera LCD .
If only there was some exotic invention that allowed me to simply lift the camera to my eye exclude all extraneous light and allow me to compose
if the stupid screen didn’t flip out, it could be 2mm thinned. That would help with pocketability.
this will NOT be pocketable. Unless you wear “mom jeans” you fit into twice…
Is that the best complaint you could think of… Its 2mm too thick…Seriously dude
It’s actually 7mm too thick. That’s how much thinker it is compared to the Mk I. It gets thicker with each iteration. The whole idea of the RX100 was to be pocketable. Sadly, the Mk III can no longer be called as such.
And yes, if this camera didn’t have a flip screen, it would “only” be 5mm thicker than the original as opposed to 7mm…
If you don’t carry around a man purse, pocket real estate is tight.
Also, it does look retarded if your pockets are full. Of course for those of you who don’t get laid anyways, this should not be a concern indeed:)
Dude, you seem to have issues far beyond all your camera problems.
You’d be angry too if your pants were too tight!
You should get some looser pants. The ones you’re wearing now are making you angry.
Whether it is pocketable or not will be up to the individual to decide, because it is right on that line.
it is still pocketable (when people say pocketable they don’t really mean YOUR pocket only -_- )
Those darn hipster jeans…WHEN WILL THEY DESIGN CAMERAS FOR MY HIPSTER JEANS!!!!!
we also need to ask them to design keys/chain , wallet and phones to fit there
Well, I’m not a looser. I wear jeans that fit, not somebody else. This will not be pocketable for me. And I don’t carry a man purse either. I’m sure you guys won’t have any issue with it. Good for you 🙂
I liked my original RX100 because it just fit into my pocket.
And no, nobody needs a flip screen or a hotshoe or a viewfinder. People were complained that the Mk I didn’t have a hotshoe. So Sony put one on the Mk II. I wonder how many people actually used it. I mounted my 600EX-RT on it once just to see how retarded it looks. That was the only time there was a flashgun mounted on it.
And all this useless junk (flip screen, viewfinder, hotshoe) adds to the price. If the camera was somehow modular (obvious impossible,) very few people would pay for those features. They are complete useless and add to the bulk.
Why did you get rid of your RX100 that you liked so much?
My Mk I last three weeks shy of one year. It was still in warranty and “not economic to repair.” Sony offered me $180 for the corps if I bought the Mk II. The Mk II has a slightly better sensor, WiFi, NFC. I like those. The flip screen and the hotshoe only added to the bulk and the price. The flip screen is straight gimmicky. Serves no purpose.
I think mark3 will be the best choice for you , it’s more pocket friendly design that the mark2
the extra 7mm will be the down side but I think it worth the upgrade
I am thinking of selling my RX100 because it does not have a tilting screen. They make it much easier to use the camera at different angles and when the sun is shining tilting the screen sometimes makes it easier to see.
I bet if you looked at the demographics of RX100 sales the biggest group by far would be middle or retirement aged men. With the kids gone we have the disposable income to consider $900 pocket cameras and are well known to be suckers for shiny new gadgets of all types. As you get older lightening the load you are carrying becomes more appealing and not having to kneel down to get a lower angle is a great feature. Many of us buy the most comfortable (aka baggiest) pants our wives will allow so the RX100 M3 is still pocketable.
You can still buy the original RX100 brand new for $550 from B&H. If you do not want the tilting screen and EVF what feature on the Mk 3 is missing on the Mk1? The only thing I can see is 24 vs 28 on the wide end.
Well, if you buy the Mk2 or Mk3, you have WiFi. You can connect your camera to your phone, and use the screen on your phone instead. Effectively, the screen is totally detached from the camera. This could be awesome if Sony gave us full control to the camera over WiFi – which they could easily do, but probably won’t. Connecting the devices is super easy. You just touch them and they connect via NFC.
Regarding the lens, the Mk III is obviously faster. I will wait for the lens reviews by DxO. The Mk I and Mk II’s lens (the same lens) is quite soft. (It really is visibly soft.) I’m hoping the Mk III’s is sharper. If it is, I might upgrade from the Mk II, despite the need to purchase some mom jeans or a man purse (those tend to cost more than the camera tough)…
I have some hopes regarding the lens. It looks like the new lens is he reason the camera got significantly thicker. I hope it’s not just faster, but also sharper. The lens is a weak point of the Mk I and Mk II.
I had a RX100 Mk I as well, gave it to my youngest son who took it to Vegas and blew my doors off. He got such great pictures with that little camera that I wonder how necessary my larger cameras are.
I don’t have any issues with that 🙂
I only commented because you said that the mark3 is not pocketable because it don’t fit your jeans (which I disagreed with ) , it’s still pocketable for most people (I carry with me 2 phones, wallet and keys ,ofcours they will not fit tight jeans pocket but fit the jacket and normal pants )
and I agree with you that on some point sony will need to simplify things (and I think the mark 3 is more streamlined than the mark 2 design )
( P.S , I don’t see the correlation between tight jeans and being a looser , it’s okey to wear anything )
I wondered for minute if “looser” was a term for folk who wear loose close as opposed to a typo 🙂
he is saying that he is not a looser because he wear tight jeans , I guess he have some issues with any other type of pants (and I don’t know why he brought that to a camera discussion )
Right, but he probably meant “loser.” In this instance, looser is probably a fitting misspelling.
Additionally, stay in school folks.
hmmm , you are right . thanks
Yes and while they are at it. They should get rid of the shutter button…What do you need that for….Then we wouldn’t need a shutter at all…that should help…Loose the screen only losers need to see what they are shooting….and of course the lens…Yes the lens…that must add at least 5mm to the width of the camera…Now with no lens we don’t need a sensor…or a camera body…Eureka I can finally fit the RX100m3 in my hipster jeans!
Whiney and misogynist – the disaffected hipster in his element. LOL
I need a flip screen. I often take photos with the camera at or near the ground in difficult and complicated terrain.
In fact, a tilting AND pivoting screen would be what I need, and what I currently have. Flipping is only half the story, so in that sense whether it is good or not depends on whether you need the 100%, or whether you are satisfied with the 50% functionality it offers.
Well, we all have a smart phone don’t we? I can connect that via NFC/WiFi (which BTW is absolutely awesome) and then the screen flips whichever way I want it to. In fact, I can even walk away from the camera.
Granted, the remote app has very limited functionality. But Sony could fix that easily if they wanted to. There is no reason why they could not easily give us full manual controls via WiFi. Why not just give us a fixed screen with that, and a slimmer design? The price would go down too. This is supposed to be a pocketable camera. The flipping screen is utterly useless.
I normally have a 6×6 medium format Zeiss Ikonta M in my “Jeans Pocket”. You should invest in some decent pants with good strong pockets.
By Dickies low down jeans, you can put 6 of those in every pocket
Awesome MkIII
no hotshoe 🙁 They could have made it without the evf so that could fit, other than that it would be a perfect camera 🙁 After the official announcement I’m going to order a mk2 for myself.
Yeah, the better should have left out that whimsy internal flash in favor of an ISO hotshoe
Or at least an old school Sync Jack. That would have done it
seriously if I need a flash on a compact camera the last thing I would want to do is put an external flash that’s 2 times the size and weight of the body. If the internal flash is improved it’s enough. I’ve seen people using external EVF on the RX100II but nobody with external flash. Sony made the right decision, it’s just silly to complain about a missing feature only 1% of the people would use.
I will be upgrading from mk2 to this purely for the 180 degrees flip screen.
Interesting development. Great to see that there are P&S cameras by Sony that are made for photographers. Hopefully we’ll soon see a Full Frame model with a fixed 40mm focal and built in EVF in that size for under 1000€.
If RX1 had a built in EVF I would have bought it immediately. Let’s see if Sony will show a Mark II with that feature.
The RX1 mII with pop up EVF better have the same or better EVF as the detachable one available today. A 1.44m EVF is not good enough for a camera of that level.
Worth noting too is that the price will certainly increase and that would be another B!tchfest for those who see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Personally I prefer to buy a “complete” camera: I’m not the kind of buyer that buys a new and better evf for a camera. Of course there will always be someone complaining about the prices, but I think also that in case of RX1 Sony did a great job. I keep searching for it, but as today I think I’ll elwait for the markII version. I’m really curious to see what Sony added to that little gem.
Sony RX100 Mark IV leaked:
http://i.imgur.com/XLbC4e3.png
😉
That’s another serious improvement! 😉
The flash that would fit this cam would have to have a very long neck at the base if you wanted to use flash and EVF.
that would be it, hot shoe and flash in the VF housing. You forgot a price tag at the bottom saying 499$
Why don’t those people who complain about the lack of a hotshoe not just get the MII?
Besides, I don’t get why people would want to use this camera with all kinds of extra gear. Every serious flash will be about 2-3 times the size and weight of this camera anyways (add to that sender, receiver, stands, light formers etc). Kinda pointless to pay so much for premium compactness if that’s your primary usage.
I bet that the portion of people using any of the previous RX100s with off camera flashes on a regular basis is less than 5%. Not even worth a consideration.
I didn’t buy the mark2 because the lack of playmemories camera apps support 🙂
the hotshoe is important to me because I want simple way to use extrenal mic ((ECM-W1M) , but it’s not a deal breaker to me I’ll still buy the mark3 because it has the apps and EVF 🙂 (and will use zoom h1 for audio)
Would be nice to compliment the high quality video codec with some high quality audio via the multi-interface hot shoe mic ECM-XYST1M.
That’s the next thing I thought but then again… for a little more you can get the RX10 which is much better suited for video in all aspects except for the codec.
If you seriously care about sound quality, you should skip this kind of half-baked solution and sync in post with an external recorder. It’s really easy and there are many decent recorders out there that cost the same as the ECM-XYST1M while offering MUCH better output, better controls, better everything.
As an added bonus your camera will stay small and you have more flexibility as to where you place your audio recorder.
Did you guys read the specifications, really?!
it says:
“Accessory Shoe : Multi Interface Shoe”
or
Microphone Input : Via MI Shoe + Optional ECM-XYST1M”
I think that’s Sony’s intention. This is not an upgrade, but rather a variant. It is actually good for us, and Sony if sales are good.
according to specs it does have a hot shoe:
Accessory Shoe : Multi Interface Shoe
If it does, it should be on top of the EVF. Personally I don’t need neither of them.
Anyone know if the flash is “bounceable”?
It doesn’t look like it to me – it’s a different design to the one on my RX100M2. I hope I’m wrong, though.
To me it looks bounceable 100%
I hope you’re right.
It looks hinged – so assume it is bouncable.
There is no point in trying to bounce that little tiny flash. If you bounce from a ceiling there won’t be enough light to get the job done. Think ‘inverse square law’. The flash, most likely isn’t any good for more than 6 to 10′ so bouncing it is kind of useless.
I have the first version of the rx100 as well as the a6000 and the bounce effect of the flash is surprisingly useful. No. It does not replace a proper external flash, but good enough in smaller rooms and situations.
If you had to chose one camera from the rx100 or a6000 which would it be?
I would advise you buy the a6000 if you have plans to buy additional lenses. If not and you will most likely only use the kit lens (16-50mm), then buy the RX100.
I am not so sure of what to do. This will be used for general photography, but also for taking pictures of my children playing sports (soccer, rugby, basketball, etc…). Would the RX100 III be ok for this?
Who the heck needs an external flash with a compact?!
Can you say multi interface shoe instead of external flash?
I guess.
Still, pocketability is compromised with any additional external device you carry.
That’s the point on doing things external, you just carry them whenever A) you really need them or either you won’t be able to do whatever you plan
B)it let’s you choose if you want to lose some “pocketability” in order to win some performance. You’ll not always need this “pocketability”.
Also, keep in mind that HVL F20M (I think is this its name) is kind small.
Can the Multi Interface be adapted to a standard sync? I just need something to plug a trigger into on occasion
I do 🙂
get one that is triggered by the internal flash and you have one.
i really like what sony is doing here … good work.
Very functional looking camera.
How does the inage quaity compare to the C size sensors
Very good but falls a bit short.
IMHO, if Sony’s aim wasn’t to cannibalize DSLRs and they wanted the most compact ILC mirrorless cameras they would have gone 1″ like Nikon 1. Nikon 1 is a more interesting idea, again IMHO, but the Aptina 1″ sensors they’ve been using are rubbish so that system is failing. Sony’s tech is light years ahead and it boggles the mind what they could have done if they followed that path. Unfortunately, Sony only saw the 1″ as an all-in-one at the time so here we sit.
Interesting point
I am anxious to see what Nikon does with the rumored p700 superzoom and whay kind of quality it has.
Also cant help wondering if Sony should put an E mount or A mount on this type of camera.
For example..put the new Tamron 150-600 on this camera with the 1″ sensor and it would be about 500-2000mm equivelent.
“Also cant help wondering if Sony should put an E mount or A mount on this type of camera.”
You don’t want it. The lens would be much bigger and most probably of much worse image quality. See the example of the 16-50 PZ from Sony.
Personally, I’ll never go back to any super-zoom because my experience is they’re too compromised but maybe Nikon will surprise me.
On paper, a 1″ Sony ILC sporting a Tamron 150-600mm lens with some crazy long (roughly 1600mm?) focal length equivalent looks exciting but the lack of any sort of OS kills the concept for me. Would Sony ever build an affordable 500mm for a compact? Doubtful since they’re all about being pocketable.
Why no touch screen?
If the EVF has diopter adjustment, well done! Cool ‘take all days with you’ camera… and a flip screen is a must have for selfies!
third photo (camera from the back with the EVF out) you can see the diopter adjustment on top of the EVF under the protective plate.
On your picture, we can see “AVCHD” not XAVC…
you can check out my review on my blog. has a videos and more images + samples.
actually is very capable camera.
Link?
whaeva’s a troll. I wouldn’t expect much from him.
2 Thing i noticed from the specs:
1) What is “SteadyShot Intelligent Active” opposed to “SteadyShot Active Mode” ?
Was that mode on any other Sony camera before ?
2) They did not drop the digital level 🙂
Probably it recognizes when you move the camera horizontally to follow your subject and only stabilizes the vertical axis. When you hold it still it stabilizes both axis. I think on the Mark 1 and 2 you had to select it in the menu.
1) Its probably using more advanced electronic image stabilisation, which needs a slightly greater crop factor as shown in the focal length equivalents in the specs.
It is expensive but it looks to be the king of compacts so they can get away with the high pricing. Impressive looking camera. Just wish it had SLog2, like the A7s.
“Some people complained that the compact is very expensive but they do
forget that an external viewfinder usually costs $200-300 (here at Amazon) and ont he RX100M3 it’s included and nicely hidden when you don’t need it. That way the camera remains truly compact!”
This is a kikikaka argument, a A6000 has the same viewfinder, and the whole camera with the 16-50 lens cost the same price as this overpriced thing. So, what is so special on this, the popup viewfinder, no hot shoe, I can live without it, a thicker body once more. Now compare what is comparable, how much more camera you get when you buy a A6000 for the same price. Is the fact that this could eventually fit in a pocket, makes lower quality pictures than any apsc camera, is an all round tool for tourists, worth paying the double price. You read right, this camera is worth half of the price Sony sells it for. For 500$ I buy one right away, for 850$ they can stick where I think to. All good excuses and arguments can not get me away form the fact that this camera is double priced .-
No there is a market for this camera. If it is too expense for you, ok no problem buy something else, but for some its is just fine 🙂
i agree! i prefer to add few k more and buy a car 🙂
but there is 2-3 women that will buy this camera instead, cuz they already have a nice small car 🙂
and this is exactly what means “there is a market for this camera” 😉
What a ridiculous comment. Not to mention sexist as well.
Grow up.
and its more difficult to do a ultra compact camera with a 24 70 1.8 2.8 lense and view finder , than a A6000 with external lense. So the price it’s not so high
it cost more (money/time) to engineer and manufacture a high-end smaller camera
A6000 is better and cheaper but it’s a lot bigger , so the A6000 is a better choice if you don’t care about the size and pocketability
Also add that the RX100 MkIII has the chance of having a zoom lens with significantly better corner sharpness than the, in this regard, absymal 16-50 PZ (the kit lens – and the only small, wide zoom – of the A6000).
Relax – it’s a market price. Things aren’t priced by what they cost; they are priced compared to what’s in the market, what the sales targets are and so on. The only qualifier on that is, of course, that selling under the marginal cost of production is not something sustainable in the long run (unless, like printer manufacturers you make your money from the consumables).
It’s also not as if it’s a system camera. Buy into a system, and you are somewhat trapped so people might well feel aggrieved if they feel they are being taken advantage of. This market segment is completely different as these cameras stand alone. Other manufacturers are perfectly free to produce comparable models which will, eventually, bring prices down to something more reflective of production costs if there is a sufficient market. For the moment, Sony have something of a lead in this market so can sell at a premium. Heaven knows, they need something which generates profits at the moment as the business is flooded in red ink in other areas.
The price is actually spot on. There is nothing in the same league from the competition, and its an extremely versatile combination of bright lens, large sensor, EVF and flexible LCD. If the price is actually the only thing why you don’t want to buy this camera, that says enough about its quality.
Try Leica T for an over priced camera. If you are lucky, you can buy the EVF for $500. 😉
Though I am not into P&S cams, I like this design, features and everything. Absolutely a gorgeous and functional compact! 🙂
The 16-50 is one of if not the worst kit lenses made for any system for the £650
the a6000 + kit costs .If you exclude size from the equation it is not
difficult to save money while maintaining at least as good image quality . The various Nikon low-middle APS bodies all deliver a better kit lens same IQ for less. The excellent Pentax K5mk2 with built-in IS , weather sealing very high build quality with kit costs the same as the A6000 with kit.
Is it exoensive? Well, yes. Is it worth the money? Guess, we have to wait to know. But I think Sony can take that money, simply because there enough people wanting it. And to argue because of 350$ … Get a better paid job or sell more of your photos!
If it’s worth the money is to anyone to decide by his own, isn’t it. For me it’s not. But since we are all individual, we all see thing different and evaluate it in a different way. I just do pictures since +50 years now, have had many cameras and, having been a dealer once in electronic products, mainly dealing with Matsushita, Uniden, Toshiba, JVS, Sony, in the 70es to 80es, I know what those product cost in production. CB radios that where sold for 900$ where sold in containers for just 75$ each. This camera has cost much studies and development, but at mass production it cost them not more than 190$ on the end. All work is done mainly by robots, there is not much handcraft involved in all this anymore. A Leica is still built and assembled by hand, it make sit more expensive, but also there, the margins reach 1000% of profit. What is hilarious is that Sony sells some products, like A6000 and A7 and hilariously low prices and other double priced. At 550$, Sony would sell this like candy and still earn a lot of money. When you consider that today some similar sized cameras with full metal bodies can be obtained for 125$ and even less. Yes, yes, start now the lens and evf story once more. The 125$ cameras also have lenses. If you all knew how all that is manufactured and what it is worth, you would all bite your own butt 500 times before you buy such a product.
Just a few points…
1> it’s not a thicker body. the extra thickness comes from the lens.
2> Your maths seems a little off. $850 is not twice $500
3> You state this takes lower quality pictures than any APS-C camera, yet costs double the price. Please direct me to the APS-C camera with similar features and equivalent lens that costs half the price.
Everyone can buy whatever camera they want. It’s not for you, and that’s fair enough. However, your arguments are spurious.
My argument will find certainly more adepts and shares as yours, that is something you can believe, just read all the comments and you’ll see. The main argument that appears in most of them, is that excessive price. You are free to buy one, but I would bet 10$ that you will never buy one. Arguments are there to be used, and yours are just nonsense. Anyone knows that this camera can in no moment, even RX10 can’t, rival any APSC sensor in IQ, only at reduced size you may get similar results, at full size anyone can see the difference. If you want a price comparison, just look what amount of camera you get for the same price, starting by A6000 if you want to remain at Sony. Even a NEX3N for 300$ can beat the 1″ sensor IQ, and a similar good lens for that one does not cost a fortune too. So, speaking a bout spurious arguments, look at your own, Mr Math-butt.
ahaha… I didn’t suggest it had similar IQ to APS-C, I just shot holes in your argument.
I also note you failed to show me an APS-C camera with similar features, specs and equivalent lens that costs half the price.
With regards to your bet, how do you propose to pay me, big spender? I already have an RX100 mk1, a camera I have been very happy with. I’ll be giving it to my partner and buying the mk3 when they become available in the UK.
Nice that you resorted to insults though. Classy.
You all can come with thousand arguments to justify the price, i look what I get for what price, and do not come and make a religion from the lens or the EVF. If you can get a A7 with a Zoom kit lens for 1450$, a A6000 with same viewfinder, APSC sensor and zoom lens for the same price as this toy camera, you have definitely to admit that this camera is far overpriced. I bet that all those of you who come with arguments here and defend the price are up to 99% never buying one of those anyway. I am interested in that camera, but for the price it’s worth, not for 850$. And this argument of twice 500$ is bullsh.t. That is just pulling things by the end of a hair. If I say double priced, anyone knows what I mean, no need to enter in mathematical detail and show that you belong to the class of the smart-butts. Between 450 and maximum 550$ is a fair price for this camera, nor for 850$ that is at least 300$ too high.
When u buy a compact, you also need to pay for it’s compactness, too.
Why People still don’t understand this. If you don’t want compact? fine just choose bigger ones.
I realy wish production is fr thailand or the land of rising sun
What’s up no complains that it’s no FF sensor with constant F1.8 zoom lens in a 20mm thick body for 499$?
Sony can do what they want. Whiners goons whine…
Your whining about whiners, however, is not counted as whining.
Is that a second control ring around the lens? Also the flash has a hole in it, but the top views don’t show the seams? Weird.
Yes I think you’re right, I hope so. Would be great if you could override the electronic zoom so it’s manual 🙂
I doubt it. It’s flush with the body and very thin. It would be almost impossible to grip comfortably.
The previously posted specs are wrong or the images. Where did they put the MIS shoe? Initially I thought it could sit beneath the flash cover but that seems unlikely seeing the design of the flash cover.
According to the specs, Sony went all out and made the lens of 10 elements with 9! aspheric elements. I’m curious to see the quality of that lens.
Wow – ‘pocket cameras’ have come a long way. I’m so glad there’s a (IMHO) better pocket option than the iPhone. Thank you Sony!
True that. Since the RX100, mate.
bullshit! there is still no better camera then iPhone! 😉
lol this is cute!
It look like they eliminated the hot shoe. Does this mean I will not be able to use my existing Sony flashes on it? I hope this time they made the flash smart enough to work as a master flash so all the existing Sony/Minolta flashes can be used in the slave mode. If they did, I might be tempted to buy it, even though I already have the Sony RX100 M2.
My wife just suggested I should buy it and give my M2 to her.
I like to try to keep my gal happy. If she told me to buy this camera I would do as instructed. 🙂
If Sony was clever enough to make the built in flash able to serve as a controller to trigger their own line of powerful flashes I’ll be tempted to cancel my order for A77II and use the money to buy this camera (or maybe buy both). It would be super at capturing hummingbirds in flight, like my avatar.
I don’t think this camera will have this feature. I base this on the fact the photos of the front of the camera, do not show the round red LED used to acknowledge the master and slave flashes are properly communicating with each other. Also, this camera will not have the super fast auto-focus like the big boy cameras. Still, it looks like a very good camera for the money.
If Sony was clever enough to make the built in flash able to serve as
a controller to trigger their own line of powerful flashes I’ll be
tempted to cancel my order for A77II and use the money to buy this
camera (or maybe buy both). It would be super at capturing hummingbirds
in flight, like my avatar.
I don’t think this camera will have this feature. I base this on the fact the photos of the front of the camera, do not show the round red LED used to acknowledge the master and slave flashes are properly communicating with each other. Also, this camera will not have the super fast auto-focus like the big boy cameras. Still, it look like a very good vacation and hikers camera for the money
Good call, noticing the hot shoe is gone. Hopefully the pop up can be used to wirelessly control Sony flashes or without pre-flash to trigger optical strobes ( unlike the HVL-f20m…sigh).
Great little camera! It fully deserves the price tag, guess this would be £799 in the UK.
I imagine Sony should keep one fot he previous (lower spec’d) versions for better market coverage.
Having the original RX100 version, I would be mainly missing the lens speed at the long end (from this third version) and the tilting screen and back-side illuminated sensor (from the second version). The viewfinder would be a bonus, I am tempted to upgrade, assuming reviewsdon’t come up with something too negative.
Agreed. I have a Mk1, and it’s one of the most useful cameras I have ever owned. In good light it’s a great carry around camera, and with 20mp, I expect to be using it for for some years yet.
I’m not big on upgrading, but the wider lens and EVF are tempting. Damn you Sony!
I like it. The eye-level finder makes all the difference. Can’t wait until it is priced at the fair market price of $499, I will buy one.
Where did you come out with $499 as the fair market price. Just because that’s what you want to pay for it does not mean it’s a fair market price. The price is a little high for me as well, but there really isn’t any competitor for this camera and it is chock full of technology. For many. this will be a great camera even at the price they are asking for. It’s amazing what Sony is able to cram into a small package. If its a great performer, I expect this to sell quite well. Actually, if it performs well, it is worth it for those who need it (even at full pirce). Good job Sony.
Fair market price being whatever the market will pay to keep an item profitable. Since Sony is not profitable with their cameras just yet, I don’t know what to tell you, but apparently they are priced above even their break even point. Don’t get mad at me, I’m not the multi billion dollar international conglomerate that lost the plot when it comes to pricing strategy: QED sales trends.
There is plenty of competition- there are millions of different camera models with different capabilities, each however just as capable of taking a nice picture, and each competing for the very limited checkbooks of Mr. Consumer.
This will sell at its price for sure. Will it sell in sufficient volume to cover costs, however? Unlikely.
Looks like a great camera. I would love to have one. But there are plenty of very good cameras for the same price and cheaper, and I already have too much nice stuff that does a good job.
But Sony needs to sell this product more than I need to buy it. Sony’s the one that can’t yet throw a profit from selling products.
It will sell many of them at $499. It will sell one to me.
Otherwise, nice bike. Very nice. But not interested.
Looks like other people are interested in buying the camera, at least if you look at the Amazon pre release sales numbers. And no, fair market price is not whatever the market will pay to keep an item profitable.
Here is a common definition:
The amount of money that a willing buyer pays to acquire something from a willing seller, when a buyer and seller are independent and when such an exchange is motivated by only commercial consideration
This definition of market price, from nasdaq,com, is Germaine to the fair market price discussion.
And while there are numerous DSLR models (and compact mirrorless cameras), the RX series are pretty unique in the combination of features, size, and capability.
Heck, the RX100 Mk1 still hasn’t fallen to $499. You might be waiting a couple years. By then you won’t want this – even at your price.
I’ve owned the original and second gen rx100 – both definitely worth their price. These really are premium all-in-ones that can cater to the shooting styles of amateurs to pros taking a break from the big gear.
Sony may be losing $billions a year but man do they keep cranking out some great cameras.
I want exactly this but stripped of all the extras: No evf, no flippable screen etc etc. All I care about is the lens, speed and weight/size.
You need an iPhone
Eehhh, not exactly the same lens and sensor (should have mentioned sensor above, but I took that as a given), no? I want true pocketability.
I’m sure that all you need is an iPhone, just put a sticker on the apple logo with your favorite brand.
It’s something psychological, we all been there
You are either just obnoxious or stupid. Not the type of commenter I like.
You were first to resort to name-calling. So who is “obnoxious or stupid”?
Where did I do that??
I apologize I was joking , don’t take it personal.
That was nice of you 🙂 We are now friends again.
Not even remotely…
But you could use an iPhone as a remote 🙂
Rx100 is still available for half the price, stripped of what you do not want and it’s thinner / lighter.
I still want the 1.8-2.8 lens! The Rx100 with that lens I’d buy instantly!
Why Sony does not just add APSC and charge Nikon A price is beyond me.
Because it would either be extremely larger or a small zoom range and smaller aperture.
interesting camera indeed. i’m considering Ricoh GR as a travel camera and now this comes around – will wait for image samples, haven’t bee that much impressed with images from MK2.
Does the lens have optical stabilisation? Anyone know for sure?
yes , the leaked specs confirm that , + mark 1 and mark 2 already have optical stabilization
Oh man, I hate compact cameras. But Sony nailed this one. Seams pretty cool. Both specs and design.
Sony always do, I know nothing about photography and I have 3 Sony bodies and a ton of Lenses.
I don’t know what to do with them it’s fun to watch them
I looked at the photos very carefully and concluded that it could be possible that the screen could not flip with the EVF sticking out.
…and doesn’t this support XAVC-S? Why does it still have the AVCHD logo on it?
It looks like you can’t flip the lcd up fully 180 degrees with the evf open but why would you need the evf open while using the the lcd and vice versa?
When looking through the evf you suddenly find that the shot would be better taken at a higher or lower angle? It happens to me with the nex7.
then u just push the evf in back.. Done.
…on the subject of the hot shoe:
in the detailed specs there is mention of a “multi interface shoe” and indeed looking at the design of the pop up flash there is room to speculate that the engineers actually managed to fit a hot shoe under the cover of the pop up flash, which presumably would be pushed forward to attach an accessory to the hot shoe. we’ll see but it does seem a possibility (or maybe just wishful thinking).
That’s what I hope as well (flash show underneath the pop up flash.. What would be crazy is if it’s “reversible” – flip the flash around, lock it down, and the shoe is available. Sony is coming out with a lot of desirable cameras lately.
Canon is shitting bricks at the moment.
…oh and admin FYI it’s CAD, not Canadian USD…
ops. Corrected. Thanks!f
if it runns 10 bit extern to recorder it is aminimonstaa.. maybe the best sony cam the other is
fs-700…..
This looks like an awesome little camera!
2.5mm thicker = fail. no hot shoe = fail, no portrait focal length = fail, price = fail.
this is what happens when you “listen to your customers” rather than having a deep design ethos and sticking to it.
sony took something truly special (rx100m2) and diluted it into the middle-of-the-road with an ultra premium price.
tiny 1in sensors shouldn’t be in bodies this big or sold for prices this high
I waited to hear these specs, now that I have, I am ordering the canon g1xm2 and nissin i40 speedlight.
the rx100m3 is no longer pocketable
and that was the only reason I wanted it
if I need a camera pouch for a compact, I’d much rather have a bigger sensor and a hot shoe. not to mention a legitimate zoom range. I use 2.8 zooms with my d4. 70mm is not long enough for anything when you can’t change lenses.
ridiculous
2.5mm is .1 inch. So you’re ordering a camera that’s not as good as the orignal RX100, is larger than this camera, that isn’t exactly cheap. Okay, your call and thank you for letting us know of your opinion. Differences in opinion makes the world more interesting.
Everybody has different needs, so I am glad you found one that fits yours.
the rx100m2 is barely pocktable (comfortably). any more thickness puts this camera into the camera pouch category. which kills the point if this camera for me.
as far as your “not good enough” comment. news flash all compacts are pretty sorry, even the rx1r (low light AF) if you want to compare them out of context. but as far as features that make my life easier and that make the experience of photography more enjoyable, the g1xm2 is pretty amazing.
hot shoe, real portrait focal length and serious DOF control in an all in one package that I can wear all day.
No, I don’t see what you mean. dpreview, in their review, has already stated that the RX100Mk2 has better still and video quality than the g1xm2. The dxomark for the cameras also support this assertion. Your preference for the Canon is based on your needs which are different than other people’s needs. There is still no such thing as the perfect camera for everybody.
you are speaking in sweeping generalizations about the dpr review. and a compact is about good enough image quality not the worlds finest. I’d rather have thin DoF than the ability to pull shadows 4 stops. 1 inch sensor photos look like smartphone photos unless you look at 100%.
The generalizations were yours to begin with, by your assertion that the RX100Mk3 was ridiculous. I was pointing out that your criteria was different than other people’s criteria. And having had an RX100Mk2 for a few months, I can say that the photos do not look like smartphone photos. At 1.8, the DOF should be pretty shallow at the 70mm end, though not as shallow as the larger sensor based cameras.
Great another skinny jeans wearer lol. The GX1mk2 is a slightly less mediocre update of a very mediocre compact. Which weighs almost double that of the mk3 with no EVF built-in. There is a multi-input slot on the side of the mk3 for attaching a flash, obviously adding huge flashes that are bigger, heavier and bulkier than the camera you mount them on is not a major consideration for most people.
To add insult to injury the Canon has a near antique sensor that loses nearly 2 stops in DR to the RX100mk2/3 sensor.
DOF control on a lens that is in FF terms an F6.63 really!. You a pro shooter lol sure you are
yeah, it’s an f/6.63 equiv AT 120MM equiv. which is plenty narrow. you numbskull.
no hotshoe = not a real camera
no depth of field control = not a camera worth my effort
a pocket camera that can’t fit in actual pockets = a stupid joke for idiots
you can’t use the rx100m3 inside unless you use the crap built in flash.
that is a huge huge huge fail. and I am sorry, but my photography demands better.
this camera is a gadget for people who arent real photographers.
the g1xm2 feels great in my hands and doesn’t cramp them like the rx100m3 would.
it has an excellent physical interface which the rx100m3 simply lacks
and bottom line, I get thin DoF on a 5x zoom compact, and you don’t. that sucks for you.
I agree on the focal length – Fuji X20 has a 28-110mm F2.0-F2.8 –
thicker by 2.5mm is not going to an issue for me –
Price is steep – that I agree on
Hot shoe – to me why is that a fail ? how many are running out to get the $600 EVF from Sony ? how many are putting a flash on that tiny body ? – and how many are doing serious video work requiring external mics for this little camera – what other accessories are there for it ? I sure rather have a decent EVF then a hot-shoe on such a small camera – I do not think many are using wireless triggers for their RX100m2 – only so much they can put on top of that small body –
I suppose they could have had a small optical viewfinder to keep the thickness the same – but then many would have complained
Seems like you should look into the Olympus Stylus 1 with 28-300mm F2.8 lens – as you are less concerned about sensor size – it has a hot shoe and nice EVF
good lense 290,-
viewfinder
the better codec/sensor
and real good image because the sensor can read it out.
stills are pretty
and movies are fine
this thing rocks…..
if you want a tampoon buy a i-phone
I’m impressed. The implementation of the viewfinder is pure genius.
I wish they made two models, one with the viewfinder and one without, maybe price the one without at $699. Not sure why you need a viewfinder in a point and shoot, seems like a waste of space and money. I use the viewfinder around 50-60% of the time on my a6000 and I understand the need, but this is a point and shoot…
If you had used the RX100 you would understand. The EVF is denititely needed, especially in full Sun.
I agree – and small is better then not having one – there was so limited use for the hot shoe – ( how many have bought the $600 EVF for it 🙂 )
Panasonic started with a small EVF on the LF1 –
I think even the small Optical viewfinder on my Fuji X20 is better then not having one in a sunny day or when you do no want to have the LCD on
I have the RX100 and I do not think it is “definitely needed.” I agree with the original poster and I would 100% buy the version with no VF.
The hotshoe gives people the option without forcing the $200 cost onto everyone. Was really looking to upgrade my Mk1, but will need to wait.
From the looks of it, they are going to market the m2 (and probably rx100) exactly as that model without a viewfinder and I think they also dropped the price around that (699) as well.
dang! the rumor about the pop-up EVF was true. that extra step will be a bother for my use (the missing hot shoe is a minor downside, too), so i’m sadly going to pass on this one. if only it were fixed….
Keep it open all the time and problem solved.
RX100 M2 is what I’ll get for underwater photo just because it has a hot shoe… which is needed for the flash. So too bad that the hot shoe is gone on this one, now it’s made unusable for UV photo
The 24-70mm Zeiss zoom lens with f/1.8-2.8 aperture is worth the price alone. I’ve been waiting how many years for someone to make an native E-mount large aperture wide/mid-zoom for my NEX (sorry f/4 doesn’t cut it for me). Still waiting…
While an f2.8 16-50mm (approx 24-70 equiv) for APC-C would inevitably be quite big (see the A mount lens as an example) there is plenty of opportunity to shrink it for E Mount.
I am not aware of anyone making a collapsible high-speed zoom which relies on digital correction. Why? Because manufacturers assume enthusiasts that buy 16-50 f2.8 lenses want manual zoom, manual focus and pure optical performance.
But now, with the success of the entire RX range, hopefully Sony gets it that there’s a market for compact premium lenses as well as compact premium cameras.
So, me too, I vote for a ‘pancake-ified’ 16-50mm f2.8. Ok, it’ll be more like a muffin than a pancake, but it could be much smaller than the A Mount version.
And how about a compact telephoto, like a slimmed down Canon 70-300 DO? Plz!
I believe Rokinon has developed some compact super tele mirror primes for the NEX but nothing near the quality of the Canon DO, and of course it has no stabilization or AF, making it near useless outside of maybe astrophotography.
Seems Sony is stuck at F4.0 🙂 rumor has it that there will be only F4.0 zooms for the A7/r/s FE mount – and of course nothing faster than F4.0 in Emount – I agree on the frustration – I mainly now use Fuji X and M43 – just love the size and weight on the Pani 12-35mm F2.8 (24-70) and the 35-100mm F2.8 (70-200) and quality is fantastic – the Fuji 55-200mm is nice and sharp but very heavy
You realize that shooting an f2.8 zoom on m4/3 is like shooting an f5.6 zoom on FF, right?
GH , please don’t try and explain equivalence to a mFT user,
they get very confused & distressed often reacting angrily lol
The irony is that equivalence actually gives mFT an advantage in the comparison because you need to compare against FF shot at a higher ISO. So, one would think mFT users would promote equivalence to be able to compare their ISO 800 to FF ISO 3200, but for some reason that doesn’t seem to be the case in general.
No it doesnt the same DOF , same AOV and same total light does not include shutter speed , for most subjects a slower shutterspeed will do the job just fine. Obviously in some narrow circumstances , low light moving subject where you need a certain DOF along with a certain shutterspeed will impact the FF advanatge.
Of course this same narrow advanatage applies to formats smaller than mFT. You need to be shooting at F2.4 on mFT to get the same DOF as the Sony at F1.8
I’m guessing Sony does not want to offend anyone with the size of a lens necessary to accommodate f/2.8 with any kind of zoom range. I notice there are quite a bit of E-mount lens size/weight crybabies around, so they probably just expect you to use an A-mount f/2.8 zoom lens with a flange adapter. Maybe there’s still hope with a third-party lens maker to make one and show Sony how it’s done. 🙂
You know, Rollieflex’s slapped a shoe mount on the side of a camera. With a dedicated flash designed for such use, they could of stuck it there….just saying. Old design made new again.
That’s a bit pricey, but overall it’s now a huge upgrade from the original. Between sensor size, lens, and features, it is lightyears ahead of any other compact now. Not sure if it will be a big seller at that price point. When the price inevitably falls by a couple hundred dollars…… I’ll have to seriously consider upgrading from my original RX100.
Yeah, two stops on the lens on the long end isn’t much of an upgrade at all. Neither is a built in pop-up EVF.
nor the 24mm equivalent wide angle
lol…. bad typo… typed NOW as NOT, changing the whole meaning. It is NOW a huge upgrade. Where the RX100m2 was a minor upgrade. This is now huge.
This new rx100m3 is pure genius.
Can’t imagine any compact having all these high end specs in such a small body.
Sony has outdone themselves this time.
I have no idea what some people here would want … maybe a cam the size of a
stamp with the IQ of a medium format Hasselblad ? Would that be *almost* perfect or
would some of them still complain it being to big or ISO limited to 1 million ?
rx100m4 with a medium format sensor would be nice.
This camera is perfect for me. Will preorder. Price is high, but I can afford it and it’s just what I’ve wanted in an RX.
If it have a mic input I would go for it.
Sony accountants think You want too much.
ahhahahaha. good one!
Sony accountants think too much themselves, how about taking an eye on their 1.24 billion $ loss last year and then making prices people want to pay for their toys. If we look at an A6000 for the same price, a A4 with zoom for 1450$ this camera is priced at a ridiculous price, it’s just a joke. I was waiting for this one to sell under 600$, not the double of its real value.
I’m waiting for the RX10 mk2 for exactly this reason. Want the EVF please, but also want XAVCS with audio mic in.
Having such a good lens and video codec but *no* audio option *at all* (either mic-in or the multi-interface shoe) is a turn off for me.
From DP Review thread – M3 Specs posted on Sony Canada (now gone I think):
Microphone Input : Via MI Shoe + Optional ECM-XYST1M
I need a visual size comparison… To me the Mark.2 is the best compromise between performance and price (and has a hot shoe) but now this…no hotshoe but now it has a “better” lens and EVF…but the price is waaaay high…will see if Sony get this right..
Yeap, another toy camera and pro pricing from sony.
Have you used a RX100? It takes excellent images. A photograph is more than just the camera that takes it. You may not like the camera or the price, but then you’re not forced to buy it.
So it I understand this right – hot shoe gone ? to me that makes sense, as the main accessory to use would have been an EVF or Optical viewfinder – in reality I think with such a small camera most all – not all 🙂 – use the LCD – but the EVF is sure nice for those sunny days when there is to much reflection on the LCD –
Besides the Sony EVF for the RX100m2 was $600 🙂 just crazy – could not understand why Sony did not come out with a decent one for $100-150 – I think many RX100m2 users might be able to justify that – so when out in sunny days one would pop the EVF on else leave it off – but of course now we have one built in which is much nicer –
My real gripe is the focal length – Fuji X20 has the 28-110mm F2.0-F2.8 lens – so why could Sony not have done a 24-100mm F2.0-F2.8 ?? 24-70 is just a bit short for this type of a camera –
For close to $900 US I hope it has some other improvements –
There has been a rumor that Fuji would update the X20 to a X30 with at least 1 inch sensor and same lens plus other improvements like an EVF- so although not as small could still be a real competitor to the RX100m3
28-100 is better also.
Sensor size. The sony is bigger, therefore bigger lens or shorter range.
The Sony sensor is 1 inch – Fuji sensor about 2/3rds of an inch – there was no change in sensor size for the RX100m3 – so why could it not be 24-100mm?
Sony exchanged focal length for a faster aperture, which is a compromise I’d prefer.
Those sensors are quite a different size.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside_-_updated.svg
Just because you figure in your head that something should be feasible does not make it so in reality. A longer zoom and larger apertures == larger lens.
True – I have that pic 🙂 – just based on the rumors on the Fuji X30 with a 1 inch sensor and same lens and same body – I hope it was a physics limitations rather then price etc 🙂 as 24-100mm with F1.8-F2.8 would have just so nice – I have the Olympus Stylus 1 with 28-300mm F2.8 and that is a real nice focal length and F2.8 but of course sensor is smaller – so I would love to see a 24mm-110mm F1.8-F2.8 – so if the body needs to be a bit larger then so be it –
So therefore I hope the Fuji X30 rumor is true – and Fuji knows what they need to do to compete with the RX100m2/m3 – larger sensor –
I suppose I will upgrade my RX100 to the RX100m3 but if the X30 comes out as rumored I would also get it –
A nice pocketable camera is always needed like the RX100/m2/m3 –
If Fuji comes up with that for the X30, I’d definitely buy it!
From what I have heard, the Fuji X30 (if there is one) will have a sensor larger than 1″. There hasn’t been a new X30 rumour in almost 6 months and I find that strange given all the competition lining up. I don’t think Sony will sell their 1″ sensor to any other company so potentially, the X30 could be 4/3 or APS with a size just a bit larger than the current X20 (which is larger than the Sony RX100).
Fuji will compete this camera, what is possible, will they be able to sell one at a real price, for 500$ what I doubt, because when it comes to ask horrible prices for cameras, Fuji is a real champion. This has always been at Fuji, I remember the 3200$ S5, that had just a D200 body and a different sensor and the same shitty menu system they have made for the NEX series from Sony, since Fuji makes the software part for Sony cameras.
Do not compare the external EVF to this one. The external tilting EVF has higher esolution, it is a limited series object that is not sold in larger quantities. If you want to compare this EVF to something, compare A6000 and see how much more camera and specs you get in the camera for the same price. After that, the pricing from this camera is just hilarious.
I agree on the price – way to much – but Sony is milking it – as it is a popular camera – I have the NEX5n and NEX7 but cannot compare as the RX100/m2 is pocketable and the a6000 is not really – except with the 16mm F2.8 and a large jacket pocket – I am just happy with a small EVF and not comparing with a6000 or any from a system camera as they are larger – better to have an EVF although small – rather then not having one at all for those super sunny days.
I think the realist price should be about $500-$600 – the Rebel is cheaper – more materials – APS-c size sensor and has a viewfinder – like I said Sony is milking the consumers – because we all need a pocketable camera –
Things would change if Canon entered the 1 inch sensor game as they own such a huge percentage of the compact camera market – I a quite surprised that they have not done much to compete with the RX100/m2 – Nikon already makes a 1 inch sensor so should be able to compete easy – they have a good lens in the P7800 just need to fit it with a 1 inch sensor and body –
I agree that interchangeable lens system is very nice and I sure have a lot – but a single body with an all-around lens that de-tracts into the body for the pocketable size is just so practical –
How close you guys think will be the IQ between this and OM-D E-M1?
E-M1 with 12-40 f/2.8 in lowlight? Which camera do you think is better?
My unqualified guess is that the EM-1 would stomp the Sony 🙂
The m43 sensor is just a little bit bigger than the RX100 sensor. The F1.8 lens at the wide end compensates more than that so I would say at least at the wide end it would be equal noise wise. we no nothing about the lens quality yet.
Frame size comparison chart.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gm1/images/Sensors.png
Just speculation at this point but I would imagine the image quality to be comparable.
That’s stupid.
The fact that they both have postage stamp sized sensors would logically lead a non E-M1 fanboy to draw that conclusion. I hope the Sony camera doesn’t overdo the processing like the E-M1,and renders a more natural looking image.
Both are totally different packages, a comparison is totally senseless.
Of course the E-M1.
EM-1 will do better due to the IBIS and a (much) larger sensor
yes, the “much ” larger sensor gains you an awesome 0.5 of a
stop @ high ISO lol. As for the IS how does that workout if your subject is moving
In real equivalence terms the E-M1 + 12-40mm works the same { DOF, AOV, total light } as a 24-80mm F5.6 on FF the Sony works as a 24-70mm F4.8-7.6 it doesnt sound so good when you say that way !. So the E-M1 loses a little at the wide end and gains at the long end. Though the e-m1 +12-40 weighs 880g 3 times the weight of the RX100mk3 and cost more than double at launch { Eu/UK} . For any reason I would be prepared to put up with the drop in image quality compared to my FF gear for convenience the mk3 will do just fine.
Shoot at low ISO , in the 24-70 range { maybe a little more crop, as the 20mp gives you some wiggle room} , stick it in your jacket pocket and off you go. Though the Olympus does lens does say “PRO”
on it I think it stands for PROne to snap in two.
http://www.mu-43.com/showthread.php?t=57700
At low ISO where contrary to all the camera forum nonsense the vast majority of shots are taken, the differences will be insignificant. Unless you are into a very specific niche, say astrophotography or amateur night sports with typically
very poor lighting ,very high ISO is of little value to the average shooter.
Take your pick of online photo hosting sites, search for your camera of
interest. The vast majority of shots {probably north of 95%} are taken in decent light, with even most low light shots being taken with flash.
Plus let’s be honest if high ISO low light shooting is your niche then mFT is very far from the best choice. Unless you shoot strictly static subjects where the 5
axis IS will help out.
Why would you compare it with a much larger, heavier and three times as expensive camera-lens combination?
For detail and noise in low light, it may be a toss. (At f/1.8 RX100 III has 1.5 stops more aperture, and a very slightly superior yet ‘one stop smaller’ sensor… with 20 megapixels behind a probably less sharp lens.)
E-M1 is more robust and versatile a part of a system which demands you keep spending in order to justify paying the high fee of owning the system.
Do you mean video IQ? The Sony wins 🙂
Will conversion lenses be mountable upon this camera?
I would love ones that got down to around 16mm, and maybe a 2X for 140mm
From the specs:
Accessory Shoe : Multi Interface Shoe
Microphone Input : Via MI Shoe + Optional ECM-XYST1M
Wonder where they are hiding that?
in Wonderland
Justifying the price by saying that external EVFs cost a lot is ridiculous. This camera doesn’t have an external EVF! It’s built-in and therefore shouldn’t affect the price! Doh!
This is a joke, right?
A6000 has the same nuilt in VF, has an APSC sensor, is ILS, has a 16-50 zoom in the kit, and costs less expensive or close the same as this gadget that is priced the double from what it should cost. The camera can be as nice as it could be, it is just double priced at 850$. The built in EVF is here just a rotten argument.
They claimed there were not enough room for a side-placed EVF (like in NEX cameras) in the alpha A7-series. But why not to use same design? Hope to see same style pop-up EVF in future compact NEX-like full frame cameras.
The A7 sensor assembly takes up significantly more room in the camera than the 1″ sensor does.
that’s true, but also A7 body itself is significantly bigger
but viewfinder optics in A7 is probably also bigger (=better).
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http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/01/a7rteardown27.jpg
This camera is pretty damn impressive. I really wish Sony would make a series of RX100’s with fixed focal lengths. I’m thinking at least a 28mm(equiv) and 50mm(equiv) model, both f/1.4 or faster. Similar concept to the Sigma DP series, but significantly more compact.
Given this camera covers both of those focal lengths at f/1.8 for 28mm, and likely f/2.2-2.4 for 50mm, haven’t they just done that (within a stop or so, anyway)?
At least if, as someone else said, it can to set to remember your last zoom setting.
I was thinking the exact same thing about a 50mm equivalent RX 1″ model. That would be awesome.
Yes, this would be a much better option for the RX1 series due to the large sensor prohibiting a compact zoom
But RX1 doesn’t fit in your pocket and is much more expensive.
What I meant, is that it makes much more sense to make few fixed focal length cameras (21mm, 35mm, 50mm) from the RX1 rather than the RX100.
Since the RX100 already covers these focal lengths, but the RX1 has huge sensor and the only way to cover them would be several cameras with different fixed focal length lenses.
I’m waiting for a RX2 with 50mm fixed lens – or 35mm
: )
Would be really nice if they put in market a few options of rx2 with fixed focal lengths, like you said.
Yes, I understood what you meant. A few more RX1s with 21/24mm and 50mm would be great but several RX100s 1″ with 21/24mm, 35mm and 50mm equiv collapsible lens should should still be able to fit in your jeans pocket whereas several different focal length RX1s won’t. They would also be much cheaper. There would definitely be a market for jeans pocketable fixed fast lens cameras with 1″ sensors. Question is how fast can they make thoses lenses and still make it jeans pocketable.
Ok, I see what you mean, the thing is I was totally happy with the original RX100 lens speed at the wide end, only at the long end was too slow. Which is now fixed in the III-rd revision, for me at least.
If they make fixed focal length versions, I’d rather have a SMALL non-collapsable lens at about the same speed (f1.8) to improve start up times and reduce cost.
yes I would like that, but 35mm eqivalent for me with f/0.8 and a curved sensor so that the lens wouldn’t portrude, no tiltable lcd but slimmer like the rx100 for true pocketability!
I don’t know if that would be doable but it might be and I would happily pay $1500 for that.
Where is our FE 16-35mm f4 ZA? I think we have enough cameras at this point we just need support for them. Nearly as many A7 cameras as FE lenses!!!
You only need to buy one…
Whoa! Thats a kickass shooter!!!
but
“2.5mm thicker”
not for me!
Really, .1 inch makes it a not for you?
I think you understand what i am trying to show!!
Not even a 1 inch.. it’s 1 hair
2.5mm
I think he meant 0.1 inch, just put it without the zero – .1
Oh my bad
Yeah you’re right, 2.5mm .. shit .. I don’t wanna!
Well the viewfinder/lcd screen are bad ass. Why exactly can’t we have that LCD screen on ALLLLLLLLL top end E-Mounts? Is it just too lame to take a selfie with your girlfriend and frame it easily?
The few crazy things I could come up with:
(but I’m sure many might disagree anyway)
– use the same 16:9 LCD as the one in the A6000/RX10 (but most probably would not fit in).
– multi-aspect ratio selector swiitch as found on the Leica D-Lux / Pany LX series compacts.
– no pop-up, but true builtin EVF like RX10 (could be done with 16:9 ratio LCD instead of 4:3, and make the cam wider ?)
I really can’t find much else to moan about 🙂
No Multi Interface Shoe? Hopefully there will be some great deals on the Mark II and the EVF.
Check ebay. I saw like-new condition FDA-EVM1K EVF’s for under $300, compared to $400 – $450 new.
Rob, The Mark II with the optional EVF is a still a very cool camera! I have one. An advantage of FDA-EVM1K EVF is that it tilts up from the camera. The EFV on the MkIII does NOT tilt up. That’s sometimes a big advantage. I often take photos of tiny wild flowers or fungi growing from the earth. I can place the on a tiny folding tripod I carry in my backpack, then in bright sunlight I can look DOWN into the EVF to achieve critical manual, focus of the subject. Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24969967@N06/14121044716/player/
Taken with the MKII and the optional EVF.
I Just placed an order for Sony Multi Interface Shoe Adapter so that I can use my small yet fairly powerful HVL-F20AM flash on the MkII.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I have a bunch of MI accessories already; the F20 and F43 flashes, plus the stereo, zoom shotgun and wireless mics.
If you look up the specs on the FDA-EVM1K EVF it has 2,359K dots. The built is EVF on the MKIII specifies 1,440K dots. The screen has 1,229K Dots. Both have about half as many dots as on the FDA-EVM1K. Ya gets what you pay for!
Maybe I’m just talking “sour grapes” because I’m already invested in the MKII and the snap on FDA-EVM1K EFV.
In the violet photo above I used focus peaking to focus on the blue lines in the white center throat of the flower.
Are the video files from these RX models a full sensor readout?
RX100 M3 does full sensor readout according to DPreview
I there anybody from Greenland. Sonys butt-heads need some ice.
No hotshoe!!!!!!!!!
On such a tiny camera, with an incredibly fast f1.8 – f2.8 lens, and a built-in flash for emergencies… a hotshoe would never be used by most people. And there’s the mark II if you really need the hotshoe.
100% agree.
The only flash that would make sense in that hot shoe is a tiny video light or maybe a HVL-F20M flash. Anything bigger than F20 would look and feel pretty stupid.
I use my RX100M2 for video a lot and use the ECM-XYST1M mic for better audio. The lack of the hot shoe means I can’t use my mic, so I’m disappointed.
Oh snap! A very valid point. While I disagree on shoe mount issue, there are various tripod mount adapters available to mount the mic, the missing microphone input is a very big deal!
GOod! I hope this sends the Mark II to much lower prices! I’m now interested Sony! 🙂
The viewfinder is on the wrong side for me, I’m left eye dominant 🙁
That’s the traditional rangefinder placement. It’s perfect for right eye people like me. But I can understand that left eye people may feel left out. Still, much better than not having a viewfinder.
I use left eye on my NEX7 and have no problems what so ever.
most talented visual people, photographers, use the left eye. i find that my left eye is good for composition and my right eye is good for color. laugh if you want about this, but i am also a painter, and do have an MA in photography and images in the permanent collection of getty museum in LA. — also, most other photog-artists i’ve spoken with use their left eye to image with. All range-finders back in the day ( i think ) had this right-side viewfinder and we just swapped eyes when we built our image ( and this is such a small camera… but, i think the tiny olympus film-camera in the mid-80’s must have been about this size too and wasn’t a hardship to image with. )
I’m not very talented and I use my right eye. I guess I know what my problem is.
well, with a camera you can point and press the shutter and whatever’s in front of the lens will be reflected on the plane. you don’t need talent, and for most people — for all they want, really — it’s just a question of having the right thing in front of the lens — the luck of it. If you can get a shot of George Bush III kissing Denis Rodman you’ll be more famous as a photographer than Julia Margaret Cameron. Ain’t that ducky?
u must patent your left eye then :))
It just depends on the size of your nose.
put the camera upside down, you can turn the pictures in any computer :-)))))
The BEST pocketable camera ever.
This sure looks like a pretty amazing little camera. It seems to have everything you might possibly want, except a hot shoe. And does anyone actually buy a tiny camera so they can put a huge flash on top? I’d guess they already own other cameras that can do that better.
Face it, this just isn’t a camera for newbies or for poor people in third world nations. This probably won’t be anyone’s only camera. This is a high end gadget for serious photo enthusiasts. If Leica made this camera, it would cost $3,000.
I’ll probably pick up a used one around three years from now for under $500 to compliment my M4/3 kit.
Nice job, Sony.
The Multiinterface shoe is also good for microphone accessories, so one loses that.
You’re right about that, Sony probably should have included another way to to add microphone accessories.
But I do understand why they omitted the hot shoe. Not many people will buy a very expensive very compact camera with the intention of putting a huge strobe on top.
This was designed to be a shirt pocket carry everywhere camera, so the hot shoe may not be missed by many. But they should have created some other way to plug in a microphone.
Looks like this time Sony listened to their customers:
• Brighter lens at tele.
• Starting at 24mm equiv.
• Build-in EVF.
• The silly ? button has been replace by a C button (likely programmable). I almost lost hope Sony wouldn’t ever discard that nonsense button.
• Seems there is a dedicate slider type button to activate the flash. Always hated having to dig into the FN menu to activate/deactivate the flash.
• As others have spotted already, there might be a second control ring on the lens. Could it be a ring with click stops? Would be great to set aperture.
I don’t care about the additional 2.5 mm thickness or the lack of a hotshoe (which might actually be still available under the popup flash).
This thing looks almost perfect. 🙂
except for the price 🙁
Absolutely LOVE My RX100 MII. Allows even total amateurs like myself take pics like this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuarwillis/13520535785/
Beautiful photo, Josh! “A picture is worth a thousand words”.
Thanks!
I will look further for pictures of this camera, adding the exif data would make sense, this picture looks good, only missing info is what ISO and what speed/aperture it was taken. The picture is noisy, but in an acceptable range for reduced size viewing. At full size is looks high ISO film grainy, what will make huge B&W shots.
This is an amazing pic. Gotta take a look of this RX100M2 at amazon, hoping it will get cheaper when the M3 goes out!
Take a look at the Samsung EX2F
https://flic.kr/p/n4itrg
Love it! WOW, these are great times for camera & photography lovers!!
Beautiful photo, thanks for sharing.
erm, how exactly does an 80ISO shot taken in good daylight compare with an 800ISO shot taken in very poor light ? If you only shoot in daylight every single camera on the market will do just fine
looks huge here in reduced size, but look full size on flickr and you’ll see how noisy it is. For sure, for such a small camera and it’s specs, this is a huge performance. My NEX-7 makes that much noise at ISO 1200, what is the NEX-7 weak point. I would like to ow a RX100-3 for the size and the facility to carry that in my pocket all time only, not for it’s performance, that is honest, but not overwhelming. RX10 makes far better pictures with the same sensor, same as Samsung Mini NX. The mini NX is pocketable with the pancake lens, and here I want to see what lenses will come on the market, that camera is more or less reasonably priced, despite still a bit expensive for such a mass product.
yeah he’ll definitely print this huge and cover his house wall with a glass of beer LOL
This camera will make me a famous photographer.
Butt plug product shots is the road to fame!
Love the pop-up EVF!
Can the flash bend backwards for bounce?
Looks really interesting!! But the hotshoe is gone… 🙁 Thats concerns me a bit…
What will you do with a hotshoe on tiny camera like this? just wondering not trolling. I have the original RX100 and love it. My only complaint is the same one I had when I bought the RX100. The price point is extremely high. Regardless of the high end specs its still a one inch sensor. By the time you buy a spare battery and case we are talking nearly $1000 for a point and shot which is what it is at the end of the day.
you can use a radio trigger to set off one or more flash units or just use a big ass flash on a small camera and bounce the light in a pinch.
I’ll use external wireless mic with the hotshoe (ECM-W1M)
For someone who owns the original rx100 this is a MASSIVE update.
Sony RX100M3 Price, Specs Leaked..The NExt addition to RX100 Series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPRNXqeRJMw
The leaked specs from the earlier SAR post state that there is a multi-interface shoe, though these photos dispute that.
oh shit! this is really cool!! now please bring it built up view finder on RX2!! 😀 that’s will be awesome 😀
http://i.imgur.com/SWWs5PZ.jpg
according to sony japan, you can charge you battery externally
different lens, EVF, better video, 4K still image output. for $800 it’s a pretty good price
and according to this page, MK3 does not support multishoe
http://www.sony.jp/cyber-shot/lineup/systemchart/rx-chart.html
I am not so sure of what to do, buy this or the A6000. This will be used for general
photography, but also for taking pictures of my children playing sports
(soccer, rugby, basketball, etc…). Would the RX100 III be ok for this? Video may be occassional, but not a driving factor in my purchase.
Are you willing to buy lens outside the kit lens for the a6000? If not the rx100iii should already be on your buy basket.
DSLR/SLTs still seem to be the king of sports/hyper-active kid photography. So maybe consider the SLT-A58 if you are looking at a Sony system, or also even a Nikon D3300, or a Canon Rebel T5i. The Nikon/Canon bodies will make more native lens options available to you but good quality interchangeable lenses will cost you quite a bit. You’ll also want a zoom that will at least go up to 100mm if you want take photos that will better isolate your kids from the rest of the team out on the court/field. So if you are going with a compact camera the RX100 Mk2 might be better than the new Mk3 for a larger zoom range and the benefit of being available now, and at a lower price. The main sacrifice with the Mk2 would be the smaller aperture on the long end of the zoom range which matters more with indoor/low light sports and the lack of onboard viewfinder which is easier to see in bright sunlight conditions.
I think they would have to put one on the rx2 especially since the rx10 and now the 100 have it.