NAB 2014: NewsShooter – Panel: To 4k, or not to 4k from Teradek on Vimeo.
If you watch the video on top you will hear Garrett Brown’s excitement about tha A/s (although he didn’t see it). But he loves the fact you can shoot 4K on a compact Full Frame camera. Quite a statement from the inventor of Steadicam and cameraman of Stanley Kubrick’s “The Shining” movie! If you don’t know Garret he is the guy on the extreme right of the guest plot. And here is his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Brown.
And Shawn had the pleasure to interview Sony manager Juan Martinez and writes:
I wanted to share with you an interview I conducted at NAB that will be of interest to SAR: streamingmedia.com. In it, I discuss the upcoming firmware update for the Sony FS700 and 700R video larger sensor video cameras. Specifically support for shading and geometric distortion. We also talk about the new zoome lenses – the 28-135mm f/4 FE concept lens and 18-105mm f/4 E-mount lens. The support for geometric distortion is huge because the otherwise great 18-105mm powerzoom f/4 lens can’t be used for video as it has way too much pin-cushion distortion.
A7s sites in different languages at Sony US, DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.
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E/FE mounts future is looking very rosy if Shawn’s interview is to be believed..With both the stills and motion divisions feeding into the same ecosystem…and rumours of FE mount motion cameras in the pipeline…
What we really need is an official global road map… Apsc e-mount owners are understandably starting to worry that Sony is neglecting them in favour of the new shiny (although lenses will be compatible so it’s not the end of the world) and a-mount users are nervous about the future of the mount (rebranding everything as alpha mount hasn’t exactly improved matters). I can’t honestly say I’d recommend Sony to an amateur looking to buy into a system right now, especially with their history of making bad calls (even recent ones like the a58 and a3000)…
I think you hit the nail on the head with the fact that FE mount works perfectly fine for APS-C e-mount. Sony has handed out their 2 year road map for lenses…I don’t think most camera manufactures would do even that. Canon are not exactly being forth coming over their future FF DSLR plans. I know shooters who are seriously thinking about their future with Canon if nothing significant comes out at Photokina…
Sony does indeed need to communicate more. There are actually plenty of lenses for APS-C NEX and the release rate for FE ones is impressive, but the problem is that there isn’t a clear direction. For example, Fuji is releasing high-end lenses from the beginning and then put out some kit ones. Even without their roadmap, it was pretty clear where they are heading. Not so much for Sony, good lens here, mediocre there, missing one here etc.
Sight unknown, if someone is excited (and isn’t bothered by the rumored prices), it should be very good for Sony. 🙂
At A7s Launch, Sony Admits Lens Designers Never Came Back From Dinner
http://newcameranews.com/2014/04/08/at-a7s-launch-sony-admits-lens-designers-never-came-back-from-dinner/
Yes very good…hilarious site….
http://newcameranews.com/2014/04/22/canon-shows-they-can-still-innovate/
Here is a link I got from an email newsletter today from sony. It has samples I haven’t seen yet. http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-gb/products/vq5f/index.html
Would love to see the stills samples in high res..
lol … so Garrett does not know that he has to wire tons of equipment to record in 4k… no record internally … fail! -> http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS1600x1200~sample_galleries/7714523800/1394581886.jpg
Yawn…
That is certainly palm sized, don’t you think? 🙂
well on the upside.. it does look sexy 😀
very portable indeed. cheap too. costs more than the camera itself.
if you are a serious video guy these kind of rigs are a familiar thing…
upcoming firmware update for the Sony FS700
WHAT ABOUT SONY FS100 USERS ?
WHEN WE GET NEW FIRMWARE ?
WHERE IS S-LOG ?
What’s wrong with shooting with what you have got? All this “If something doesn’t come out soon I will be moving brand” Are you a photographer or really just a gear head?
This is a marketing b*llsh*t.
4k with an external recorder (that cost the same price of the the a7s) is big, expensive but not exciting.
Even if you put aside 4K for a moment….High ISO ability and Dynamic range alone justifies this camera…Its ability to autofocus in -4 LV of light (basically in complete darkness) means this camera is a new bench mark. I will be buying this camera for these reasons alone. The ability to freeze action sport in very low light without having to resort to flash as soon will be a huge plus.
that’s not the issue. sure the camera is great. I think everyone agrees with that.
but that does NOT serve as an excuse for the misleading advertising. the camera does NOT record 4k. you can’t turn it on and record 4k. it won’t happen. yet sony advertises as a 4k revolution. that’s not true whatsoever.
unlike for example panasonic gh4.
What are you talking about..It does record 4k….
Sony has never claimed that it will do it internally.
So I don’t get what you think is misleading??
Thats like saying a camera manufacture said that a camera can shoot 60fps. But it only does it in 720..so that is misleading..
Sony have clearly stated they didn’t record 4k internally due to the additional heat generated from a full frame sensor compared to the smaller cropped sensor of the GH4. that is why the 4k is recorded externally. No conspiracy there…
no. sony has advertising saying that A7s records 4k. nothing more about it. just that.
and that’s misleading.
and saying a camera can shoot at 60fps is not missleading. you can turn the camera on and record at 60fps. you will do what they are claimed to do. same thing with Canon EOS-1D. it records 4k.
now, try do the same think with the A7s. turn it on and record 4k. good luck with that!!!! it not like it needs some minor tiny inexpensive accessory or something, that would still be wrong anyway. but no, it requires an extremely heavy and large device that costs more than the camera itself.
and all that heat and such is bs. I’m 200% sure they’ll release a new version in some time that does record internally. they have to justify a new camera. otherwise no one would upgrade.
Give me strength…IT DOES RECORD 4K….You are simply quibbling about the media it is recording to….Nothing misleading about that…You are looking for a conspiracy where there is none..
“it requires an extremely heavy and large device that costs more than the camera itself.”..Don’t get all melodramatic… Atomos recorders have no more weight than a standard monitor (which it also is)…Which you would still normally be using with the GH4 anyway… So still don’t see the great Sony conspiracy…That of course doesn’t include future recording options for this camera..
“I’m 200% sure they’ll release a new version in some time that does record internally. they have to justify a new camera. otherwise no one would upgrade.”…Wow who would have thought that you know more than the Sony engineers…
“no. sony has advertising saying that A7s records 4k. nothing more about it. just that.
and that’s misleading.”…Please look at the picture provided from Sony’s very own press release….enough said??
4k recording…
that’s what they omit from advertising.
No it is not. It is from their press release…You don’t get much more up front than that…Did you even watch their launch event??
so you have available and read all press release of every single product that you buy and do not see any advertising?
Now your just being silly..
so do you work for sony or for atomos?
No…
“and actually the atomos is NOT a storage media.
actually it doesn’t have any storage whatsoever in it. you have to add your own HDD or SSD (those indeed storage media) to it in order to make it work.
if that was true then why would you even need another device? you would just plug an hdd to the A7s and that was it just like any other media storage.”
Really?? its not?? Oh so I wonder why Atomos advertise it as “An all-in-one monitor recorder?”
“stop being a —– this is not about storage.”
Really it isn’t?? You seem obsessed by it??
“you need a special device that costs more than the camera itself, that is heavy and huge and draws power PLUS a storage media.”
Okay so is this the point I gentle remind you the you need to plug a “HUGE” and “HEAVY” $2000 USD black box into the GH4 the get decent sound and a decent 4K output 4:2:2… and it draws “POWER”
A7s does NOT record 4k.
Yes it does…
no it doesn’t record 4k. you can’t buy one and record 4k. you need other devices. the correct statement is that sony A7s PLUS (and thats a VERY big plus) OTHER DEVICES CAN RECORD 4K.
so sony a7s does not record 4k whatsoever it’s completely unable to do so. it won’t ever record 4k. you can’t. you just can’t. stop denying it. buy one and record 4k so the entire world can see how you have done it because there’s a lot of people that would love to see that.
it’s pure misleading advertising.
and no it’s not a storage issue otherwise it would record to any fast SD card just like true 4k cameras record 4k. it truly requires other device, not just a storage media. you can’t just connect somekind of storage media and record 4k. you need specialized devices in order to do so.
and yes I know they’ll release a new camera that does indeed record 4k. you just have to wait and see. it will happen in the next 2 years. I’m 200% sure of that.
it’s misleading. sony A7s cannot record 4k. period.
Wow calm down dude your starting to sound unhinged…The external recorder is a media device, in the same way that an SD card is a media device. They are both solid state recording media…are they not?? So banging on about conspiracies is starting to sound a bit silly…You seem to be under illusion that Sony is hiding something..when in fact they have been quite clear about it from the release, as their press release shows..If you don’t like the way they record media..then don’t buy one..But stop getting your knickers in a knot about whether a camera records 4k onto a SD card or an external device…It is just media storage…
so do you work for sony or for atomos?
and actually the atomos is NOT a storage media.
actually it doesn’t have any storage whatsoever in it. you have to add your own HDD or SSD (those indeed storage media) to it in order to make it work.
if that was true then why would you even need another device? you would just plug an hdd to the A7s and that was it just like any other media storage.
stop being a retard this is not about storage. you need a special device that costs more than the camera itself, that is heavy and huge and draws power PLUS a storage media.
A7s does NOT record 4k.
The Canon C500, a 25K$ 4K camera, REQUIRES an external recorder to record 4K. Can’t get anymore ripped off than that.
completely irrelevant. this is not about price it could cost 25$ or 2500k$. it’s not about technology.
this is only about misleading advertising.
Wrong. You assume film producers need ISO 200,000, which is not at all the case. “Pros” rarely shoot above ISO 1600 because they opt to light a scene properly. Hint: It takes very little light to add dimension to something recorded at ISO 1600, 3200 or 6400. The A7s is a great camera if you don’t need high frame rates, continuous autofocus, proper weather sealing, internal 4K recording or external 10 bit recording. Those features are all available on the GH4 in addition to -4 EV autofocus. The difference in dynamic range is 13 stops vs. 14 stops, not at all enough to justify the price difference in addition to poor feature set.
Okay so from the top.
“Wrong. You assume film producers need ISO 200,000, which is not at all the case. “Pros” rarely shoot above ISO 1600 because they opt to light a scene properly. Hint: It takes very little light to add dimension to something recorded at ISO 1600, 3200 or 6400.”…
No Idea what that has to do with anything I said?…But in simple terms so you can understand…I was talking specifically about freezing action…I.e the ability to maintain a fast shutter speed in low light environments without having to be concerned about increasing ISO…This camera gives you a lot more room to move….But no doubt you know that being a “Pro”
“The A7s is a great camera if you don’t need high frame rates, continuous autofocus, proper weather sealing, internal 4K recording or external 10 bit recording. Those features are all available on the GH4 in addition to -4 EV autofocus.”…
Nice little rant from you then…The GH4 doesn’t have AF to -4LV (not EV they are different things entirely…But you know this being a …”Pro”) etc etc..
“The difference in dynamic range is 13 stops vs. 14 stops”..
Why do you assume this sensor only has 14 stops of dynamic range?? That would mean it would be the same as Sony’s previous generation of sensor….While Sony has been quite clear that we should expect a significant increase in dynamic range with this sensor…Keep up…
Have I missed anything??
The GH4 does NOT have a dynamic range anywhere close to 13-stops..one of their engineers claims its closer to 11-stops, just like the Canon C-series sensor. And no in heck even close at High ISO sensitivity.
You were responding to a post about 4K video and mentioned the camera was “all about high ISO and DR.” So naturally I
was going to respond with info pertaining to high ISO video
practicality or lack thereof.
“Fast Intelligent AF in light as low as EV -4” …that is the actual marketing jargon straight from the Sony website, this “-4LV” designation you’ve created is a simple invention of your fanboy mind. Go back and read the specs. The Panasonic GX7 has had -4 EV autofocus since the Photokina announcement last year. It’s becoming a standard spec across the board with new camera releases, it’ not a magical feature of the Sony 12 MP sensor… sorry to burst your bubble 🙂
Still photo DR will come in at 14-14.5 stops… that is my prediction, take their marketing hype with a grain of salt until you see a dxo report on the sensor screaming “15 stops baby!”
Remember, this is the same company that advertised weather-sealing on the A7 and then retracted it from all marketing literature once the cameras began coming in with moisture damage. Then they blamed the problem on users submerging the cameras while simultaneously admitting to light leaks. Hint: Where light can go, water can follow.
This camera also needs a $2K external recorder from a different manufacturer in order to shoot 4K and it won’t be out in qty until next year yet they have the nerve to call it a 4K camera. Face it, Sony are masters at using dominatrix-style, ambiguous marketing on fanboys… because they know in the end you’ll still be back for more.
The Panasonic GX7 has had -4 EV autofocus since the Photokina
At which point did the GX7 become the GH4??
“Still photo DR will come in at 14-14.5 stops… that is my prediction, take their marketing hype with a grain of salt until you see a dxo report on the sensor screaming “15 stops baby!”
Wow your prediction eh?? How much is that worth???
This camera also needs a $2K external recorder from a different manufacturer in order to shoot 4K
Your quibbling about how media is stored?? Big deal?? Have you ordered your Panaphonic black brick yet??
The GH4 does NOT have a dynamic range anywhere close to 13-stops..one of their engineers claims its closer to 11-stops, just like the Canon C-series sensor. And no in heck even close at High ISO sensitivity.
I was talking about still photo dynamic range which is 13 stops according to dxo, and yes the A7s will likely come in at 14 to 14.5 stops when it is tested.
Yes, video dynamic range is a “conservative” 11 stops according to Panasonic reps. I’ve worked with BMPC4K log files (claimed at 12 Stops) and also GH4 files, the GH4 has more DR than the BMPC4K. With in-camera curve adjustment the GH4 very likely has a full 12 stops in video mode (with some noise) while the BMPC4K is more likely just a marketing overstatement.
Just because it can AF at -4EV does not mean it can do it quickly enough for sports. It does not use the A6000 AF system so there is a very good chance that although AF will be accurate in low light you will only be able to photograph night time bowling.
Garrett Brown must be very happy since sony A7 doesn’t have IBIS!!!!!!!
LOL!
“…he loves the fact you can shoot 4K on a compact Full Frame camera…”
It looks like he was “Mission impossible” cameraman also :))