This will not be a surprise for anyone here: I got word from a highly trusted source that the FZ-mount 4K camera prototype we saw at NABshow 2013 will definitely not be realized. 4K is going to be added on more future cameras of the E and (likely) A-mount line.
P.S.: The rumor is ranked as SR5 as this is the same source that unveiled me 1 month ago an A7 with 4K camera was in the works (I didn’t post the rumor at that time because it was a new source and I didn’t manage to double-check the rumor at that time).
Note: Also on that Interview with Sony they confirm this FZ mount 4K camera has been made only to get some feedback:
NAB 2014: News Shooter – Sony A7s from Teradek on Vimeo.
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I never really understood why it needed to be shaped like a DSLR. It was anyways meant to be for Video users. Might as well design the body with that purpose in mind.
Look how large are Fs100/700 in lenght… If you move all the components vertically, it could make the camera smaller by increasing only the height.
And try how (really) good to handle such a beast is – and how bad to handle a DSLR shaped body is than it comes to video…
I have always seen the fs100/700 being put into a rig and handled that way. So handling shouldn’t be an issue neither on a dslr shaped camera. In fact, I have seen people with 1DX using rig instead of handholding it. Is just a matter of form factor.
Strange … a-mount IBIS body with native 4k support makes a lot more sense as in small e-mount cameras … there is much less cooling problem. Sorry I do not believe it.
I don’t think they’re saying no a-mount, just no fz mount. I agree an a-mount 4k would be a no-brainer.
ahh understand .. thanx 😉
Sony choose to release their 1st “consumer” cine lens on e-mount not a-mount, this make me wonder if sony focusing on putting video mainly on e-mount camera later instead of A-mount. Seem e-mount also having more benefit especially using different brand lenses on it. Maybe they will release bigger size body (like a3000) of nex that having good spec in video in future too. No Idea! i don’t dare to buy any a-mount lenses now, scare a-mount will be byebye in anytime.
Uhm, yeah their IL Video cameras have been E-Mount apart from their pro PL mount bodies. No point in A-Mount for serious video, absolutely none.
IBIS does not function in video mode. Video steady shot is electronic.
Thx for this post for confirmation. Luckily didn’t wait for it and buy a fs700 for myself. Planning to buy a7s as b-cam and to do some shot that big fast ass fs700 can’t do it easily. Waiting more real test 1st and still wondering will there any a-mount camera coming soon in this year will put same sensor or even better performance, since it having much bigger size body than nex.
Awww, how cute, they will wait until enough suckers buy into FE system before switching systems again. 🙂
Surely no FZ mount camera would like like that as it has a very short flange distance (like E Mount) and thus the sensor has to be very close to the mount ring. This means there would be no mirror box. Of course you could have a dummy mirror box, but that would leave a lot of empty space behind the sensor, and to what point? Put an adapter on for A series, and then you would, in effect, be adding about 26mm to the length of every lens making the whole thing much more bulky than an SLT camera.
So an EX mount still-orientated camera might be technically possible, but it would surely look much more like a rather larger A7 than an SLT/DSLR camera.
Smart move since there is not a single person on the planet wanting a FZ mount Sony camera.
Wrong, I wanted a production version of the prototype.
This body with the a7s sensor, FZ mount w/included a-mount adapter, 4k/10-bit/4:2:2 internal @ 50+ mbs s-avc/s-log would have been a highly compelling alternative to the 1-dc / c-300 and others.
That would be a pretty sweet camera actually 😀
What a let down.. No doubt the a7s will be a great camera, but was looking forward to a 1DC competitor in a rugged body with all the photo/video trimmings
Thank goodness. As that is one UMF.
The Imaging Resource just posted samples of the A77II high ISO. Looks GREAT!.
It has more detail, and less noise than the D7100 and 70D. It is WAY better than the A77M1.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
Attached is a screenshot of the D7100 (left) and the A77II (right)
WAY TO GO SONY!!!!! 🙂
Here it is against the Canon 70D (left)
BTW these are all ISO6400.
It no secret that the A77II is the best APS-C DSLR available, which is why the trolls are hammering SAR every time a positive review is posted.
Here’s the original A77 (left) and A77II (right)
Nice tight grain on the new A77II. None of the blobby blotchy-ness anymore!
Couldn’t be happier!
Damn. talk about night and day difference!!
Heres the A77 (left) and A77II as ISO100. So much cleaner, and much, much more detail on the M2.
That proves the original A77 was NOT using it’s sensor to the fullest abilities. Probably too strong of a AA filter. the new A77II looks G-R-E-A-T!
Just preordered!
Iso6400 btw
Kevin..
In terms of CLEAN iso
If I am currently using iso 1600 on the a77 what iso do you think would be comparable in quality on the a77II ?
Hello Barry, good question. Because ISO is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, I suggest you visit http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM and compare them yourself. I would say that that A77 ISO1600 is similar to A77II ISO6400 for noise in JPG. See attached screenshot. A77 ISO1600 on left, A77II ISO6400 on right. The sharpness is lower on the ISO6400 picture, which is to be expected.
But when you look at overall image quality, the A77II is at least one stop better, if not slightly more.
So considering a little less than 1 stop real iso improvement plus a some sharpness improvement would you say that when the most detail is the criteria the usable advantage is about 1 full f stop or a tiny bit more?.
I’d say a tiny bit more. Also look at the quality of the noise – the A77II is a nice tight grain that cleans up well. The A77 is blotch and smears out detail. That matters too at least in my opinion. But the A77II also resolves more detail as you mentioned and the image below shows. That is really cool.
I am hoping that the rumored 54mp ff comes out soon.
If this is equal to or better pixel for pixel than the a77II this will likely be the next camera I get.
The pixel density will be about the same so there will be no crop factor advantage and there will be more image allowing for cropping or change of orientation.
Of course if I can use the entire image that would be equivelent to stitching 3 a77II pictures together.
That is a good point – noise performance will be similar due to pixel density. And for an uber high resolution FF, mostly used for landscape sort of (low ISO) work, this might make sense. Perhaps they’re reaching/have reached a level with the A77II sensor tech where a 54 MP FF will be well received.
I think one thing is almost certain – it will not be an action camera. I cant see Sony making a 54MP FF processor crank out any more than 3-4 FPS.
3-4 fps is fine for me.
I prefer that to faster frame rates.
Sorry, to answer your question, in terms of clean iso, to my eyes, I would say around 1600 is the limit on A77II, and 400-800 is the limit on the A77.
Sony have clearly improved the JPEG engine, but if you shoot RAW I doubt it will be any more than 0.5 stop.
Raw ISO improvement is around 1 stop according to DxO
According to DxO it is nowhere near 1 stop, it’s around 1/3 stop.
My claim of 1/2 stop appears to have been optimistic.
A 1 stop improvement would have put the A77II in A99 territory. Not realistic.
When you look at A99 on the left versus the A77II on the right at ISO1600, theres not much difference at all.
Ramp to up to 3200 and you’ll see a huge difference.
Are those RAWs though?
Here’s a comparison of Raw Files. A77 on left, A77M2 on right!
No noise reduction applied.
This is ISO6400 btw.
I think that’s the JPG with no noise reduction on the right. I was looking at that earlier. So it’s not a direct RAW, but still…it’s pretty clean. No blotches.
jj, Lotus is correct – RAW improvement is around .5 stop.
Wow! Impressed too! I didnt expect that!
The JPG engine looks extremely good, and clearly the noise is much more controlled in nice fine little packets.
That is absolutely outstanding. I’m really considering selling my A77, and picking up an A77II.
it is an extremely pleasing fine grain, i am thinking the same as you. Hmm…KEH will give me $465 for my A77….
I agree I’m probably doing the exact same. The performance levels appear good enough for me to ditch the A77, and buy the A77II
I am doing the same as I type this!!
Sony.com is throwing in a free flash adapter and camera bag for me too! You just have to ask!
Crazy. Sony was the worst in the industry for JPG processing and now they look to be the best. +1
2 mounts are already one too many.
Whatever happened with the rumored hybrid mount?
A mount for DSLR, and a mount for CSC makes perfect sense. They’re for two different types of buyers; those who want all performance, and those who want a smaller more portable camera.
A true hybrid not using adapter was always extremely unlikely as it would be horrendously complex to make as A and E mount are fundamentally incompatible. Far more likely is a systems approach whereby either A or E mount adapters could be installed onto some common body.
Most things are only horrendousll complex until you learn how they work. Then they are simple.
I agree with you.
OK – explain how a hybrid system for A/E mount will work so that it is simple? And I don’t just mean hand waving and throwing round terms like Z axis shifting, as that alone would be expensive. Bear in mind what would need to be produced would have to be robust, reasonably cost effective, not require lots of manual calibration.
As for “most things are horrendously complex until you know how they work”. Well, that’s just a meaningless one of those trite generalisations trotted out in “discussions” like this. To point out one minor little thing, you can hardly understand something which doesn’t even exist as far as we know.
So its simple is a trite generalizstion and its horrendously difficult is a profound stayement.
There are many ways it can be done…all that is necessary is to fit 2 different size pegs into one hole.
When Sony explains how they plan to do it to me I will explain it to you.
Then it will be simple.
Of course nothing like 50% of the rumours here. Just uneducated wishes. 😉
Ohh No… Not “rumors” of what is not coming…