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Sony TidBits…(and 7 Stages of moving from Canon to the Sony A7r).


Sony 70-200mm f2.8 SSM G Series II Lens Review

Canon user that want to switch over to the Sony A7-A7r system shoudl read carefully the funny but also realistic 7 Stages switch guide from Leica Boss! I like the final stage 7 decription “Acceptance and hope”:

In this stage, you are now a Sony person. You know this means constant head-scratching, dealing with bizarre pricing and more camera body releases than lens releases. You accept that you’ll never see a meaningful firmware release. But you’re all-in. You love your A7 system. You’re an e-mount guy. You’ve got your eye on a Summilux 50mm. The world is your oyster, and you’re capturing it 36 megapixels at a time…

New Custom L bracket for Sony α7 PSL-a7II by Sunwayfoto.
Sony publishes some data showing its semiconductor manufacturing capacity (Image Sensor World).
Tamron 150-600mm test at Quesabesde.
Mirex adapter for Canon EOS to Sony ‘E’ Mount (OnLandscape).
Nauticam housing for the A5000.
Sony Xperia Z2 overview: Revised model takes first place in Mobile rankings (DxOmark).
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H400 Review (Photographyblog).
Tamron SP 150-600 mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD – sample images on Lenstip (Shoot on Canon).
non technical review of the A7 by James.
Sony FE 70-200mm images at Kasyapa.
A6000 and Touit 12mm image samples at DC.watch.
Sony Too Applies for GS Pixel with Internal Storage (Image Sensor World).
A6000 test at Itmedia.
Sony A7R, 35FE and Sigma DP3 Merrill comparison at Massimocristaldi.com.

Phiniox: “I just wanted to share my initial experience modifying the Sony E 16mm f2.8 for full frame.
Without the modification; the needed crop is 1.25x resulting in 20mm ~15mp (4800x3200px). With the mod this reduced to 1.09x – 17.5mm 20.1mp (5500x3666px). So being that the A7 in APS-C crop mode makes 10mp files I recovered an extra 10 megapixels. Shooting at F8+ with the use of heavy lens correction can the vignetting and distortion is be cleaned to produce very usable results. I may actually prefer the crop SEL16F28 to my Tokina AF 19-35mm f3.5-4.5 A Mount. A 200 dollar native ultra wide is an attractive option to other more expensive solutions.
Initial Impression/Gallery: http://phinioxglade.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/modified-sony-e-16mm-28-for-use-on-ff-a7.html
Real world use/Galley: http://phinioxglade.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/modified-sony-e-16mm-pancake-for-full.html“

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  1. 50% price increase over the near identical g1 lens…and some visitors to SAR think the rumored a7s pricing is crazy…

    1. Pricing wise nothing beats Sony. Not only Panasonic, look at Olympus and Fuji and even at the small sensor nikon mirrorless system.

      1. Yes it’s the most expensive 70-200 2.8, it’s 50% higher than the previous one (in the US) and over 20% more than the best one – the canon 70-200 II with top class IS.

        I think a lot of the resentment over this lens pricing has to do with the level of effort / improvement put into it by Sony over the original, which itself was a re-badged Minolta lens. So this design goes pretty far back.

        1. The Canon 70-200 II is an ok lens at best, I wouldn’t rave about in any forum. I have one on the 5D MKIII at the shop, and its rarely used since we bought the two A99s.

          The Canon is not as robust of a lens the IS is delicate and breaks in the field regularly. Its the colours it produces are not in the same league. The Minolta/Sony are more durable, and less prone to mechanical failure.

          The reason all three (Minolta/Sony) 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses are prized are the, “Minolta Blue” colours it produces which is clearly superior to the Canon. “Minolta Blue” is the reason most A-Mount users still hold onto Minolta lenses like the 28-70mm, 85mm (d) and the 80-200mm.

          The Minolta 70-200mm G APO (d) which you are talking about was an exceptional lens that outclassed anything Canon or Nikon produced when it launched. It is still worth $2500.00 second hand on ebay.

          Sure the SAL70200G2 is expensive, but it pays for itself within days of use.

          1. While I agree the Sony color rendering is superior to the Canon rendering (for my tastes anyway), the rest of your points not so much.

            Canon’s 70-200 II IS is easily superior to the IBIS of the a99. Their next gen IS system provides 4 stops of stability. I compared the IS of the new canon to it’s predecessor and was surprised that it wasn’t just hype. As for durability, the 70-200 in general is a durable lens. The IS part isn’t indestructible but it’s not delicate either. I broke the IS on my old canon 70-200…after dropping it 6 feet up onto concrete. The lens still functioned, but I was surprised all the elements didn’t crack. Thankfully Canon CPS had it back to me as good as new in a week.

            I’ve seen the Minolta 70-200 2.8 going for around $1500+. I suspect this has to do more with the scarcity of the Minolta badge versus the Sony badge on their G1 since they purchased Minolta’s line a couple years after the release of that lens in 2003. There are some Japanese sellers that list it for an absurd buy it now price. They are probably the same guys that try to fetch 5k for the limited Minolta 85mm – targeting Minolta collectors. High asking prices are not indicative of actual selling value.

            My greater point is that Canon took a solid lens design (from 2001) and completely reengineered it, employing a new optical formula with exotic elements and excellent stabilizer, etc. They increased the price about 25% (though now it can be had for less than the original price) and it is worth it. Sony took their lens design (from 2003) and retained the Minolta optical formula basically only changing a coating and they upgraded the gears of the focusing system (because supposedly the a99 AF drive was stripping the gears over time). Sony increased the price by 50% (no discounting yet) for this minimal effort making it 20% more than the Canon even though it does not feature an expensive stabilizer part.

            Naturally it can pay for itself if you have the work that necessitates it, but beyond profits / losses the 50% bump is offensive given the lack of a true upgrade and in the context of the competition. It really exemplifies Sony’s ambivalence to their a-mount customers.

    1. Maybe he can tell us what day in May the a77II is going to be announced and we can check 2 days beforehand for a dribbling of the specs. ;^)

  2. Admin, just make search on used a7/r and see how many ones are there for selling, mine included 🙂 I just got back from my trip to Turkey and my a7 is on selling lists everywhere.
    I am going back to Canon, mind u admin the a7 makes spectacular images but the camera itself i a big joke, my iphone battery last longer than the Sony’s and it’s faster to start the camera app than to start my camera. I can easily recommend the camera to someone who is looking for good IQ but not for someone who wants to spend a full day out with only two fully charged batteries.

      1. Gav, I realized that mate, i should of taken at least 4 batteries with me but then I should take at least two chargers. The thing is that I was forced to go back to the hotel mid day just to charge batteries. My last trip to new york I took 2 batteries with my 5d and I barely change them during one day walking around, and yeah that’s Canon which is worse than Nikon batteries.
        It’s not only Sony.. It’s all mirrorless systems, they are draining batteries between live view and evf.
        Come on Sony put back mirror on one of your bodies, just refresh your a900 and make a real camera for real photography.

          1. Plus better focus, plus never freeze for no reason, plus many many primes to choose from…. Yeah it is great idea

          2. Same with me. I carry an Olympus m43 for daily use but when I need to be sue I nail the shot it’s always the 5D with 50mm that I reach for.

  3. I own the SAL70200G2, I cringed when i initially purchased it in Nov 13. However I have grown to depend on this lens after using it for four and a half months in adverse weather conditions (Canadian Winter/North Atlantic/Rockies). The previous model would have succumbed to the elements.

    If your studio-bound or frightened of wet weather buy the old one. If you excursions include jungles, glaciers, mountains, and deserts buy the new model.

    1. I shoot mostly macro and tele,
      For me this would be an extremely usefull lens if it were macro or at least had a 1/2 magnification at 200mm.

    2. Jack, I admire you work! You seem to be the master of stop action of ballet. Are you achieving this with perfict timing when you press the shutter, or as I suspect, you are simulating stage lighting while using slave flashes?

      I the last set, one dancer is in mid air and I can not see any motion blur. To me this says flash. However the lighting is so good I thought you were using stage lighting.

      1. Dave, thanks for your nice words. I shoot without flash, during performance. In fast action scenes I use fast shutter to freeze the movement. So, no flash.

    3. I think your shots of these ballet dancers are just lovely. I love to shoot dancing on stage as well. The lighting of the stage events is all I rely on too. I wound not want to change the mood with flash and that would not be allowed anyway. What camera body did you use with the 70-200 G2. I have not upgraded to it from my combo of my a77 and the G1.

      1. Gordon, I shoot a99. There is also APS-C crop mode available, also in RAW. But it’s better to shoot full-frame and crop/recompose in post.

  4. “Canon guy”? “Sony guy”? Meh. Fanboyism is for juveniles. I have 15 cameras and I use whatever system I feel like. Why switch and be a slave to one master when you can have the best of all worlds?

    1. Because not everyone has the means to have 15 cameras and use whatever systems one like and be juvenile enough to shout about it on the internet whilst claiming to be a “master”.

        1. Correct. Not meant as a boast. Especially considering how old and cheap two thirds of my cameras are. They exist and they are in my collection for a reason, and yes, I use them all as and when their strengths are called for.

      1. Read the context in which the word master was used again, slowly. If you slavishly adhere to one brand while denigrating another and write articles to exhort others to be like you, then what else can you be if not a slave, if only just in terms of your mind?

    2. I agree with your message even though not everyone could afford to have 15 cameras from different brands and use what is needed at will.

      1. You can if you buy judiciously. Half of my cameras use film, which are so cheap you could buy all my collection for less than the price of an A5000 body. The other half, well, have you seen how cheap prices can be if you bought 2 generations behind? I use a Canon Rebel for video, which I picked up with a 50mm 1.8 for less than the price of a brand new Sony lens.

        1. Well then, with all respect, you have come to the wrong place. This is a rumor site and is, yes, Sony centric. 🙂

          1. Actually, not really, because I also use Sony Nex and have been looking out for a full frame the size of an A77. I am brand agnostic, but also a Sony user.

          2. Ps, I use Sony because I wanted AF Zeiss, and because the jpeg colours are good for certain portraits. Nikon colours are good for other types of portraits. I use Olympus and Pentax for landscapes. And Panasonic and Canon for video.

    3. All that says to me is that you have 15 cameras that you haven’t got a clue how to get the best from.

      1. All that says to me is that you don’t know how to use cameras to their strengths and naïvely expect one to do everything.

    4. I love me some sony but I also like fuji and would buy other brands if I liked there features. I stopped being a fan of anything because it just clouds you judgement and makes you bias.

  5. So many Sony tidbits …. but no one ever seems to ask when the new FE 70-200/4 lens will finally hit the shelves ??? I always see it mentioned in tests and reviews, but what about BUYING IT ???

    1. They’re having a hard time transitioning it to a pancake format. Can’t upset the small and light fanatics. ;^)

      1. 70-200 is just the focal length I need. Now make it fit in my pocket and weigh about the same as a tube of chapstick!

  6. Yesterday..friday I spoke with a senior sony tech rep.
    He gave me this info which I am sharing with sar but I cannot say how much is or isnt true..and sime of it differs from other info I recieved.
    The A77 replacement will be released in May.
    It will be called the A79..not a77II.
    Mirrorless A mount.
    More than 24mp…not specific but sounded like 32mp?
    He said this will be a full frame camera…not C.
    Other things we discussed
    Fast focus on all currently available E mount cameras will ONLY work on native a mount lenses.
    Lenses like canon or Nikon or any lens with adapter will autofocus but will not fast autofocus.
    He also confirmed 54mp 3 layers of 18mp mirrorless to be released early to mid 2015
    I asked if any new camera will be called a77II he said not that he is aware of..
    This is the NEWEST information currently available about new A mount …. as I said I cannot say how accurate this will turn out to be. This conversation was NOT with sony management.

    1. From my experience reps don’t know anything about products in development. The rep is just repeating rumours found here.

    2. If Sony does proceed with dedicated a-mount bodies, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do something similar to what they did with the a7 series: design / engineer a single body just offer sensor swap outs (at least from the middle to the upper end of their range).

      1. We dont need a bunch of differrent cameras..just change the sensor and processer and you have a whole new set of features.
        This is especially true with mirrorless A mount..sony can easily create differrnt models for different needs without incurring huge developmrnt costs.
        If they want thier cameras to look different they can just make them different colors.
        I want olive green or camouflage.

        1. I agree I would love a Nikon D3 style body one with aps-s and one with a full frame sensor with all of the latest features and apps that are found in the E-mount system.

    3. lol so it’s not an A77 replacement then if it is FF
      Probably won’t even be A-mount just another alpha FF E-mount so mirrorless would be correct

      1. Sony specifically stated this IS the a77 replacement and is ff
        Personally I hope this is C with the other specs the same but I was repeatedly told what I said.

    4. I like the May date. I’m be little disappointed if the camera is not APSC because even if it’s 32mp it will not have as much pixel density as 24mp on a APSC camera. (If my math is correct)

      Like John points out, if it’s FF it can hardly be considered an A77 replacement. Maybe this is a FF camera that is coming out the same time as the A77II?

      We will know in a few weeks.

      1. I pretty much agree with your comment.
        This is the very newest rumor available, but I have adsolutly no idea how accurate it is.
        You should use one of your hummingbirds with a white background as your avatar. It would look good.
        In fact you can keep changing your pictures.

        1. lets see 32mmp/2.33=13.7MP ( which is less than) 24MP
          So APS-C has even more of an advantage in terms of pixel density than I thought! Thank you for pointing that out.

          1. A 56 mp ff sensor will have the same pixel density as a 24mp C sensor.
            Therefore when the 54mp ff stacked sensor comes out it will be equvelent to a 72mp bayer sensor therefore be equivelet to a pixel density higer than 24mpC and very close to 32mp C.
            The actual pixel size of the stacked 54mp semsor wil.be more than 4x as big as the 24mp C.
            I can explain the math if necessary but that would result in a very long comment.

    5. If the a77 replacement were going to be released in May wouldn’t we have gotten an announcement by now? Yeah, I get a Sony tech rep is feeding off of rumors and we’ve all done the grade school exercise of passing around a statement and seeing how it morphs. Likely, it started out as a May announcement twisted to a May release along the way.

      I keep clinging to the hope that the new a77 will indeed have higher resolution than the current model. FF? Mixing up rumors of an a-mount FF later this year? I find it hard to believe Sony would replace an APS-C with a FF.

      If the 54MP is mirrorless does that mean it’ll be an e-mount? Sony has yet to prove they’ve solved the problem of getting mirrorless to work in an a-mount.

      1. I would guess 54mp will eventually go on both.
        If I were sony I would release both at the same time to make a direct A to E sales comparison.

    6. Please do be skeptical of this new rumor..
      I do not know. How credible it is and I continue to hear other rumors that contradict a lot of this.

  7. I would really like the new 70-200 but at the cost of the new MacPro which I need much more – no thanks!

    1. Which makes it even more unfortunate that aside from the 2 primes, everything else FE are as big and heavy as anything DSLR. Unless you want to use E lenses and suffer the crop factor. Sony needs to stop faffing about with endless FE bodies and start building a rational system that justify the existence of a full frame mirrorless.

      1. The physics of lenses do not change just because the camera is more compact.
        If you want a comparable lens the size and wieght will be comparable.

        1. That’s why I said a rational system. If 1.4 & 1.8 are going to make the lenses too big, then stick to 2.8 & 4.0 for the wider end. Keep the fast glass for A mount. That’s why Olympus designed a sensor size for the digital age, but even so some of their Pro lenses have become big.

  8. 7 stages? More like Seven Deadly Sins…

    The last of which comes the realization that Sony left you completely without any flash system.

      1. Seriously duott? You’re thinking of Minolta flash which had everything.

        Now we’re stuck with:
        An F60 with legendary overheating…
        No native smart radio slaves available…
        No third party solutions after two years…
        Flash delay on SLT models…
        Mandatory EVF gain up, no matter what mode…
        The most fragile shoe mount ever in history (four plastic feet not even full sleds while CaNiko uses full metal sleds)…
        Multiple micro pin connections requiring caps when not in use (now you have two extra caps to keep track of)…
        A hot shoe adapter without pin locks…
        a7 cameras don’t allow HSS with the hotshoe adapter and radio slaves…

        What is so “best” about a flash system that allows mounting dumb radio slaves? Could always do that, since 1980’s… No advancement. It’s devolution.

        1. I’ve had Canon’s 580EX and now Sony’s F58. The Sony is much more convenient in the way its head turns in portrait mode with diffusor on, like this: http://www.steves-digicams.com/GFong-Gamma-Diffuser1.jpg

          WIth any other flash you’d need an ugly stroboframe or something. Made a lot of shots with it and never had a problem.

          Haven’t used the F60 or multiple flash set-ups though…

          1. Nice as it seems, that flash is not directly above the lens. Shadow will still appear on the left of every shot, instead of falling directly behind subject. Not as bad as regular flash. Not as good as Stroboframe solution.

            It also requires a bounce modifier to achieve the height. Stroboframe allows for soft box use, therefor more power.

  9. E mount is fully compatable with all native E mount lenses.
    E mount is NOT FULL 100% COMPABLE with any other lenses with adapters.
    Canon and Nikon mount lenses will autofocus and have image stabilization but are NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE HIGH SPEED FOCUS SYSTEM.
    A mount can utilze high speed focus only with a special adaptor that includes an slt mirror and battery…but has no stabilization system…E mount does not have IBIS and A mount lenses do not have OSS.
    People who want to switch to E mount need to realize that E mount is partly compatable with almost everything but fully compatable with almost nothing.

    1. Which is why most A-Mount users generally have no interest in the platform. I personally use two Sony full frames, a A77 and Elinchrom Quadra on a regular basis, and haven’t seen a reason to switch.

  10. I’m hoping someone will say some informative technical things about why they don’t like the Sony flashes (not just that they suck) and taking into account that the whole overheating thing can be fixed simply by using envelop batteries.

    1. What is the problem with the Sony flash system? A few years ago it was ranked as being the best built-in system of any of the manufactures. Who else did built in wireless? Ok, so non Sony users didn’t like the hotshoe, but I don’t like BMW motorbike indicator switches. BMW owners do. I’ve only ever had a couple of problems – when shooting off camera with the flash wireless the built in flash on the A77 stops working after a short while to “cool down” – and the F42s at least are very fragile – the slightest knock and the shoe breaks – I’ve lost one to someone knocking it in a slight crowd, an another from a toppling flash stand. And of course getting replacements (in the UK at least) is nearly impossible. My cheapo £50 Yungnuo flashes have taken much more punishment and survived unscathed…

      I’ve got one concern though – if I upgrade my A77 to a model with an ISO hotshoe, how will I “prime” my F42s to use them off-camera on a cheap trigger?

      1. I don’t understand you “one concern”. One can assume the A77 replacement, like the A77 will have a built in flash that can serve as the master for your F42s used as slaves. No?

        Also Sony provides adapters for old Minolta type flash hot shoes.

        1. I don’t use the built in flash as a trigger – I use wireless radio triggers.
          One “problem” with the F42 is that it won’t fire on a wireless trigger unless you fire it once mounted on the camera first – I don’t know yet it it will work on a cheap adaptor, of which I have plenty, as I’d rather not have to but the “offical” wireless adaptor – not even being 100% that will “prime” the flash

          1. Thanks for the explanation Andy. I never used or found need for radio triggers with the stuff I do. I’m sure they are better if you are outdoors in bright light and photograph distant subjects. I get by with the old Minolta/Sony flash system. I frequently use FIVE slave flashes, all controlled by the little HVL-F20AM mounted on my A900. I must admit that sometimes a slave fails to respond and I must adjust the direction of the sensor or use a bit of tin foil to make a mirror. I’m sure radio triggers are more hassle free.

            Come to think of it, once when I was attempting to photograph deer in low light, out my window, using a 300mm lens I wish I had some radio controlled flashes on stands near the deer. Deer tend to be nocturnal and hide when the light is good..

    2. Sony flashes are wonderful. The way you can rotate the head is WAAAY more convenient that Canikon or any other flashes.

    3. You could not be more wrong that, “the whole overheating thing can be fixed simply by using envelop batteries.” I own two f60 flashes and have exclusively used eneloops, both the white ones as well as the XXX – Endless overheating problems.

      Other than the overheating rendering the flash useless 80% of the time, the flash puts out nice light, the cobra design is superior to rotating heads – but the damn flash has no standard flash connectors for (stereo or sync) thus the only way to connect a wireless transceiver is via the hotshoe, which introduces other problems. Thankfully Sony has provided plenty of wireless triggering options (/sarcasm).

    4. I gave a list of “technical things” a couple of posts below.

      But left some out…

      NO native off camera cables… Seriously? I have to use an adapter to mount a smart off camera flash cable?

      That adapter, either way, iISO to MIS, or MIS to iISO, prevents using my Stroboframe bracket for horizontal or vertical shooting. AND IT DOESn’t pin lock… What strobe on earth since 1990 doesn’t have a pin lock? Minolta invented that BTW… others followed.

      I saw another user on DPReview claim the same adapter prevents using his laser site for wildlife telephoto flash.

      FACT: The new Sony MIS doesn’t solve any problems for anyone except those who think mounting dumb slaves to studio strobes is an advancement. Had that all along folks.

      FACT: The new Sony MIS has created many more problems for strobists. Where shall I keep these hot shoe caps for both the camera and flash now? Two new caps in my life. Better use them because the new Sony MIS is much more fragile with those dozen micro pins collecting dust. Mino iISO never required such pampering.

      If you’re not a strobist, then you’ll never know what’s been lost. It’s awful.

      See the other problems in my post below… Heaven forbid we should expect built in RS like Canon or anything close to Nikon’s elegant flash metering system.

      BTW… Sony didn’t create the new MIS so togs would be happy using dumb radio slaves. They created it because everything Sony does is proprietary bullsmack.

      1. And hasn’t anyone noticed that Pixel King, Phottix Odin and Nissin flash (along with everyone else) has DROPPED Sony completely from their lineup?

        You can still get new gear from them… but it’s all for the Mino iISO shoe.

        Thanks Sony.

        I know, I know… I should just change brands and shut up. I’m sure that’s what Sony had in mind… to lose legacy customers by negating my multi flash investment. Great move.

  11. Sony if you are reading this..for the new a77 replacement.
    24mp C size sensor = LOSER
    32mp FF sensor = LOSER
    32mp C size sensor = WINNER
    The 32 mp C would be the highest res C censor made and have all the advantages of being a smaller C sensor.
    It would not be so high a resolution increase as to cause any performance issues. This would be the best choice for a77 replacement..If priced rite I would buy it..it would sell really well.
    24mp C would be unimpressive as it is not an improvement over the a77..I would not buy it and it would not sell as well as 32mp.
    32mp FF would be a very unexcitng camera.
    It would not be C therefore would not sell to people that want C. It would not have the appeal of 36mp because other cameras do have 36mp. I would not buy it..it would not sell as well as 32mp C sensor and would not properly replace the a77 it is sopposed to replace.
    These are the 3 rumors currently circulating for the a77 rplacement.
    Please choose the 32mp C for this camera.

      1. Like many of us I am anxiosly awaiting the new 54mp stacked ff.
        Therefore I will not purchase a ff till that comes out.
        Since I dont want to wait that long the a77 replacement will be something I can get while I am waiting if it is priced right.
        I would not consider 24mp because it is not enough of an improvement on my a77.
        I would not purchase ff 32mp for the same reason I never purchased an a99.
        Of the rumors now circulting only the 32mp C will meet the needs of current a77 users.
        If they do not choose that option..and soon..a77 users will pass on this camera.
        Sony will never regain the sales that would be lost because at this point this is the last opportunity to buy a new camera before there is no point other than waiting for the next generation.
        I will want the next generation 54mp whether I buy the new C camera or not.

  12. Please admin, give us some more info about the A77 Mark II / A79 or whatever is called soon, I believe many SAR readers are more interested in this camera than in the A7S, and the uncertainty about this “Mark II” make the rumors borderline unbelievable, considering that we already are 2-3 weeks for its theoretical release.

    Now Mr Barry down there says it´s a FF camera?!

    Please give us some kind of reassuring statement, if you have it.

    Thanks.

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