The Sony roadmap that hinted a new A-mount camera release. A camera positioned between the A77 and A99.
I don’t want you to get lost on rumors so here is a roundup of SR5 rumors only. This is what you can expect in 2014:
1) Sony A77 successor. The camera will be announced in early May and is supposed to have a terrific AF speed. It will hit the stores in June.
2) New FE lenses. Three new Sony FE lenses will come in 2014. If we are “lucky” two of them will be announced along the A77 announcement.
3) New Full Frame E-mount camera(s). Definitely to come right before Photokina. And they will not be a direct replacement of the A7-A7r cameras.
4) New 4k photocamera. There is definitely at least one 4K capable camera to come. No 100% reliable specs yet. Coming end of summer.
5) New RX cameras. One new Full Frame and probably new RX100 cameras to come too. No exact announcement date yet (but RX FF likely at Photokina).
6) New manual focusing Zeiss FE lenses. Definitely to be announced at Photokina. Likely “based” on the great [shoplink 25191 ebay]Zeiss ZM (here on eBay) series[/shoplink].
Still to be confirmed as SR5: A-mount Full Frame. I still didn’t manage to get 99% reliable info about it.
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No FF A-Mount????
Not as a SAR-5 rumor. Admin’s post is re-runs of SAR-5s.
That’s THE YEAR OF A-MOUNT?
Really?
LOL
Last year of the a-mount? 🙁
Certainly for consumers if Paul Genge is to be believed in the comment up there^^^.
There has been something fishy going on with A-mount for well over a year now.
When I first came to SAR I got caught up in all the ‘death of the a-mount’ stuff because I, too, saw something fishy going on. However, it’s become clear to me Sony is clarifying their line-up.
Since it’s increasing looking like the a-mount is going for a higher end customer at each level than the e-mount, Sony engineers have their work cut out for them making a compelling a-mount. We’ve heard they’ve done parallel development of SLT and mirrorless bodies, for example. I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the delay is trying to make the a-mounts 4k bodies since Sony engineers have indicated they ran into problems doing this with the a7/a7r (overheating problems).
Since e-mounts are Sony’s better seller and Sony is pressing their advantage in FEs where there is no competition in a market they created, it makes sense all the announcements have been there. Add in the above engineering hurdles it makes sense why we haven’t heard much on the a-mount front. It seems that Sony only recently made a decision on SLT versus mirrorless on the a77II. It’ll be interesting to see which way they go (I’m betting SLT).
A mount needs to fade out. The future I in the E mount, professional and consumer alike. All the major camera companies don’t have competing mounts within their brands. The E mount is just so much more space efficient that it should be the clear choice. It will serve Sony well in the long run to abandon the A mount, and have the legacy lenses convert with adapters.
Spoken like a true e-mount fanboy. Unfortunate for you Sony doesn’t seem quite ready to drive existing customers like me to Canikon. Nor is there even a SAR -10 rumor out there Sony has any intention of ever filling out their e-mount lens system to match their a-mount one, leaving it pretty much consumer-grade or for limited use cases for pros.
No it won’t. Sony earns more money from having both platforms. Most A-Mount users will switch to Canon or Nikon before adopting the E-Mount. It would damage its credibility in the eyes of professionals currently using the A-Mount system.
The E-Mount is a Compact System Camera, and by no means a replacement for a DSLR. It’s designed for enthusiasts, and not professional use.
It’s the future of Compact System Cameras, not Full Sized Professional cameras.
The A-Mounts development has already been moved to Sony Professional Imaging Division whereas the E-Mount is under the consumer products division.
The same division that created the mini-disc.
perhaps a RX10 like model with a aps-c sensor instead of the 1 inch sensor called rx20 something? Hope Sony is reading this.
Wouldn’t that make the lens massive (if at f2.8) and if they made it f4.0 to keep weight and size down that would suck. And what about video off an APS-C sensor? – might be line skipping which is not as good as full readout off the 1″ current RX10 sensor.
ohh..
Six and five for me!
Hoping for a weathersealed RX camera. Without the need to change lenses, weather sealing would be the perfect feature for a go-anywhere camera that is right in line with the RX series mantra. Let’s do it, Sony!
RX10 is already weathersealed!
It has no real certification, any damage done by moisture is completely on you.
If the zoom was internally, maybe they could really seal it.
How many cameras do you know which have actual weather sealing certification (with the exception of the few compact toys)?
3 and hope it is a monochrome cam.
year of the a-mount … 🙁
While I already own an A7, I am very interested in the two new FF emount cameras. Will they be something like a FF NEX-3 + 5 series? Entry level FF, crazy days.
r x 20 4k aps-c with BRILLANT CLEAR CODEC
is it?
Same sensor would be fine for me. Even 4K is not that important for me, but XAVC codec is really needed. Also add a touchscreen for touchfocus, and make the zoom speed more flexible.
Sony needs to release a RX phone, be it either APS-C fixed focal length or 1″ fixed or zoom lens.
If Sony were to release a phone, with a 1″ sensor and a 35mm or a 50mm equivalent fast prime, I’d be amongst the first to pay a contract cancellation fee and get that. 1″ sensor with 50/2.8 equivalent would have been awesome.
Heck, why not even make a phone with 1/1.3 or 1/1.7 sensor and a standard prime.
Awesome!
I’m waiting for the new RX100, cuz i’m tired of shooting my cat with my new Hasselblad, A7R, Canon 5D3.
about the a77… no body cares… there is Canon… 🙂
…but more news about the rest are welcome.
” there is Canon” – Are You kidding? Who needs old 7D or crappy 70D with 2009’sensor?
Who really cares about the body, it’s the general system that matters, and Canon is a much more matured system than anything Sony could pull off
Are there great APS-C lenses that Canon made? Better than DT16-50/2.8 or, for example, Sigma 18-35/1.8
No, Canon non-L range is pretty damn uninspiring.
Spoke to Paul Genge at ‘The Photography Show’ (now working for Lowepro). He says Sony are moving the A-Mount to 4k Video & that the FE Mount will become the consumer camera side of things. No 4 on the above list (new 4k photo camera) will most probably be this A-mount item. Its a shame, but there goes A-Mount consumer camera’s !!
Nice to hear that Paul has got a job at Lowepro.
I am happy he got a job. But I am pretty sure Genge is WRONG!
Interesting you should think so, I would imagine Paul still having many contacts in Sony.
Trust me 🙂
I also think Paul is wrong. E mount is the mount that have all the power zooms for video for instance.
Funny. Many e-mount fans have been cheerleading for the death of the a-mount and telling us the only bodies worth buying are the teensy tiny ones they like so e-mounts are the future. Yet, admin has indicated at every level Sony’s a-mounts are targeted at a higher level than e-mounts.
While Sony lens support will never come close to matching Canikon for any system, I’m becoming more and more convinced we’ll never see extensive lens support for e-mounts. Sure, they’ll cover the basics with nice glass (or not so nice in the case of the Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4/24-79 ZA OSS distortion monster) but it’ll be mostly targeted at consumers. It confirms the e-mount soccer mom reputation who sticks with the kit lens for life taking cute pics of the kids and family dog.
I find the rumor of 2 new FE bodies that aren’t directly replacing the a7/a7r interesting. Many interpret this as 4 FE bodies and proof Sony is putting all its resources into e-bodies renewing the ‘death of the a-mount’ garbage. But what probably really is going on is Sony is re-positioning the FE bodies. Will we see the a7/a7r retired and take a bow to 2 new cheaper FEs? Makes sense and goes with the rumor a FE will replace the APS-C NEX-7.
So rather than putting e-mounts and a-mounts out in parallel to directly compete with (and possibly cannibalize) each other, Sony is attempting marketing segmentation.
With you saying High end FF e-Mount cameras will they have different sensors than the A7 & A7r, and will they be stacked or just the same 24Mp & 36Mp sensors which have been tweaked?
ADMIN
CAN YOU AVOID POSTING TIMELINES IN TERMS OF SEASONS? THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN’T WANT TO MEMORIZE WHAT MONTHS AMERICLAPS HAVE SUMMER.
Admin is not american. Or for you to understand:
ADMIN IS NOT AMERICAN!!!!
I agree, please have future post in months thank you.
Dude it’s not rocket science…?!?
Can you aboid to use CAPLOCK? 🙂
What ‘rest of the world’? Most people on this planet have summer at the same time.
Vlad ,have you heard of hemispheres lol
Yes, I have. Have you heard that roughly 90% of the world’s population leaves in the Northern one?
*lives, not leaves
Nice
Just come to America. Or any other temperate North American location! That will solve the problem, and you get a nice trip out of the deal.
For A mount the drawing shows 3 A mount cameras plus one surprise A mount camera and a new A to E mount adapter with slt mirror.~
The caption below the A mount cameras is clearly labeled SLT.
If the image is representative, it definitely suggests an entry level a-mount (guessing the 2nd from bottom is the a77ii) and a surprise model sitting between (presumably) the a77ii and the a99… Any idea how old it is?
It’s several months old — from when they announced the a7. It shows the current models (as they existed at that time) with the one shadowed future a-mount.
We’re in a lull of news so SAR is just playing re-runs of SR5 rumors. Hard to get excited about this post. We’re still in a holding pattern of Sony want to push a-mounts into mirrorless but struggling to pull it off so Sony keeps dragging its feet on making any decision or announcement, IMHO.
People asked me to make a resumee. And that’s why I made it. There is nothing to get excited. it’s just a help for those that wanted to have a clear list of what they can expect in 2014.
If you look at the caption by SAR below the image, it seems that there is a new camera between the a77 & the a99 – the one glowing to the right. So the image does show 3 a-mount camera (the a58, a77 & a99 plus surprise to the right – a77II?). I think that is it.
I do not know what has happened to 2 FF a-mounts. By the looks of it just a rumor.
The adaptor looks like the LA-EA4.
Barry it’s the SLT-A88, and its supposed to fill the gap between the A77, and A99.
Well that makes it official, A-mount is 100% dead.
since when have these rumours been ‘official’ statements by sony?
Somehow I don’t think those of us strictly interested in A-mount, full frame are going to get confused. Here have been virtually NO rumours… more’s the pity.
Well that makes it official, E-mount is 100% dead.
They have launched a new generation of APS-C E-mount cameras (A3000, A5000, A6000), two FF E-mount cameras, and will release more FF cameras this year, so how is the E-mount dead?
Remember that there is no FE-mount, just E-mount. FE is the designation for the lenses that cover the FF sensor. So even if the APS-C line goes away (and nothing suggests that it will), E-mount lives on with the FF line.
I think the E-Mount dead statement was said in jest.
A-mount and E-mount APS-C users, you’ve been punk’d!
So much for a “year of A-mount”.
I was in the chorus with you here but if we get the a77ii plus 2 new FFs I’ll call it square.
Quite excited about the Zeiss manual lenses. Hope that they will be small
Very curious of the next FE iterations. Not that I want one, I’m pretty happy with N7 and having A6K on order, and a bunch of cool E lenses. But curious nonetheless…
And this is why I don’t think it’s a good idea to leave the Canon DSLR system,
A-mount is the only camera system that can satisfy me should I proceed with the transition, but the way Sony treats the prosumer/pro market is turning me off.
The 70D has a focusing issue at small apertures (F2.8 and smaller); the focus
point is shifted focusing with the LCD verses the view finder using the center
focusing point, with the LCD being sharper. So far Canon is not acknowledging the flaw, just instructing owners to reboot the camera which does nothing to correct the
issue. This is how Canon is treating the prosumer/pro market.
I was hoping for more news on the A-mount front. Maybe and entry level camera to replace A65 as well. And may be a few new lenses as replacement for 11-18, 16-80Z with SSM, new macro lenses perhaps. These small things will make the life of APS-C user more beautiful.
AFAIK there is nothing planned to replace the A65 or A58 this year at least. Maybe next year or maybe they will drop the A77 price.
I own an a65 so I can relate to this sentiment. When I initially visited SAR I got caught up in all the ‘death of the a-mount’ rumormongering and got stressed over that. Now that its becoming clearer Sony is refocusing/repositioning their e-mount/a-mount systems to clarify their market segmenting, it seems the e-mount will be consumer-grade while a-mount will be targeting the serious hobbyist to pro segment.
This is why in the APS-C line-up the NEX-7 is not getting a direct upgrade and the mid-range a6000 is seen by Sony its logical replacement. It’s also a bit depressing for me because it explains why the mid-range a65 looks like it’ll be consolidated into pricier a77II APS-C body.
Based on the consumer pyramid SAR recently posted, Sony is offering a-mounts and e-mounts for all segments with the a-mount position higher at each level. The one exception is the odd e-mount a3000 at the lowest of the low-end. There is no true a-mount equivalent because Sony doesn’t see it fitting the a-mount customer profile but totally breaks the e-mount boring rectangle shape to mimic a DLSR body. Super-zooms traditionally have mimicked DSLRs as well so this makes some sense.
It all makes sense at a Sony marketing meeting but it does leave many Sony customers in the lurch. By not making both systems full-range, NEX-7 and a65 owners feel left behind. Will I be able to afford to upgrade my a65?
new fullframe e-mount …. pls let it be a body of the nex5, with the tri navi ..^^ now that’s something
the last year of a-mount 😀
I thought we were getting 2 ff a-mount cameras. One 24 and 36. I also thought we were getting at least one this spring. I guess that is not happening now?
I specifically didn’t buy a 99 over the holidays because there were so many SR5 rumors about a 99 replacement in spring. Of course with electronics something new will always come out but I thought I could wait this one out. Guess not. Canon here I come……. :/
Mark3 is 1/2year older and no news about the successor
Your right, but we did have news and they have 3 ff dslr type cameras on the market to Sony’s 99.
And Sony has one FF DSLT, two FF mirrorless and two FF compacts.
The SLT A88 should fill in the gap nicely.
Yeah I know. I was really hoping to upgrade my 99 to a 36mp dslt but may look to the newer FF remounts if they improve the focus over the 7r and give us an electronic first curtain. If the are giving us two new ff e-mounts and only one ff a-mount this year it seems obvious what direction sony is going in. That would mean that by the end of the year we will have 4 ff e-mounts and 2 ff a-mounts.
Mark3 is a complete camera and doesn’t really need a replacement so far.
A99 is a half-baked thing, even the AF is from A77, so all AF points fall in the center… It got great potential, but that calls for a A99 mkII right away.
Mark3 is a camera with low DR and “so-so” colour, without tilt-screen and fast AF in Live-view, with no built-in AF illuminator, and so on. A99 has double AF system with 102 points on sensor. Besides this, A99 has AF-Range, unique feature that helps to reduce focusing time repeatedly.
Yes, I’m well aware of A99’s advantages, and all that is what would make an A99-2 better than 5D3.
But the current incarnation just isn’t there yet.
Who said anything about a 5D? I’m wanting something bigger and better than the 99. I was hoping for a flagship model. Maybe an alpha 1x. So.ething to compete with the Canon 1Dx or Nikon D4s. The 5d3 isn’t worth switching for. Lol
Only one FF Canon to be launched at the end of this year and at least another 2 years on the 5D cycle…and you are complaining about Sony not launching enough cameras???
The a99 is still for sale and surprisingly still takes excellent photos.
Who would’ve known?
What’s happening with more emount APS-C lenses?
I have some bad news for you buddy…
Before I tell you do you have a hanky nearby? ;^)
Thank you thank you thank you!
Personally I would love a post like this every Monday wrapping up the current rumors and their SR# rating.
And don’t let the haters on here make you feel bad. You are doing a great job.
Nikon, Canon and Fuji have light leak too. Besides that, some of them has oil on sensor ))
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Fingers crossed a cheap full frame is on the way!
From Sony? I doubt that! 😀
You must have missed the announcement. They make the cheapest full frame camera in the world and it’s great.
Mirrorless with no lenses to choose from. It’s not really what one has in mind while wanting to buy FF.
Cheap, and heavily compromised. I’d rather spend the extra bucks to get a FF camera that is properly weather-sealed, doesn’t have a light leak issue, a shutter louder than a shotgun blast, and has a AF system that isn’t frustratingly slow.
I had one, I returned it , and replaced it with A-Mount lenses.
Well considering it is the only full frame AF mirrorless camera, in addition to being the cheapest full frame camera, it’s incredible.
I’m going to wait until the system fully matures. Until then I’ll play with my new 50mm, and 16-35mm Zeiss lenses.
Don’t forget blurry images in 1/60-1/160 range because of the shutter vibration.
That’s emount I mean A Mount Full frame. Rather the new camera be full frame than another APS-C.
I know the A7 is a cheap fullframe 😉
Time machine ACTIVATED! It is now November 2013. You can get a mirrorless full frame for around $1500.
You obviously haven’t used one….
It appears your brain leaks too.
We need RX1R successor . Give us a terrific AF speed , SONY , Please ！
I second that!
And 36 megapixel option for the “r” model.
Last year the rumours said that we could expect a complete new line-up of A-mount cameras in 2014, and it was definitive that they would be mirrorless, not SLT. What happened?
It’s still early 2014, ask this question 10 months from now.
The rumours placed them for around now. The A77II isn’t rumoured until May so we have one rumoured release half-way through the year with specifications and any other rumours of A-mount stuff still thin on the ground compared to E-mount.
Two camera revisions are expected (A77, and A99), and two new models are expected this year (A66, and A88)
I don’t see any of that, besides A77-2, in the SR5 summary posted above.
The new SLT cameras outperformed the mirror-less. The new SLT mirror, and SLT optimized sensors made the mirror-less option irrelevant.
Wasn’t that just confusion over naming, i.e., the A7/A6000/A5000 were mistaken for A mount?
Highly unlikely that Zeiss manual lenses will be ZM clones.
The only ZM lenses that perform decently on the A7/A7r are the two 50mm lenses. And possibly the rare (and slow) 85mm.
What’s rare about it?
All the more reason. Tweaking a lens for a different mount is much easier than starting from scratch.
35mm Biogon is looking pretty good too.
thanks for the info admin 🙂
and we need more info about the new RX100 please 🙂
Your comment is about as much use as your ‘CAS LOCK’ button.
I think more likely the new a mount is going to be a flagship, combining the speed of the A77 with the full frame A99. I wouldn’t look too much into its placement on diagram.
Guys, I will translate. Caps lock changes the letters sometimes. He really meant to say “I browsed that blowhard, Lloyd Chambers’, blog for 45 seconds and blindly pasted two headlines here to piss everyone off”
If you need more translations from idiot to English, I am here to help.
You don’t own A7R?
I do. These ‘issues’ are completely irrelevant to any shot I have ever taken with it.
So you don’t use 1/60-1/160 handheld? That’s odd.
apart from mentioned shutter speeds, you need a tripod, a 100 mm lens and bad luck to make the shutter vibration issue show. afaik.
Your comment shows a fundamentally flawed understanding of the “issue” First, this has nothing to do with handheld shooting (although with the huge MP sensor, 1/focal length is far from adequate). Second, with even a modicum of good tripod technique, understanding of basic physics and caution, even the very limited circumstances that this *might* be an issue… disappear.
Admin, is the “F55 in a DSLR body” coming this year too ? 😀
no new E-mount APS-C lens? 🙁 🙁 🙁
no new A-mount APS-C lens? 🙁 🙁 🙁 too
Where us the Full Frame A-Mount camera?
Nothing else is even remotely interesting!
+100500
Fuck SONY where is new E-crop APSC lenses? Primes 85mm-135mm, quality zoom 50-150/2.8? Where? If nothing will be released there is no chance I’ll stay with SONY NEX system… First I’ll buy Samsung NX 85/1.4 lens and some camera for it…
APS-C will probably die out in all systems.
High-end APS-C will be replaced with cheap FF, and low-end will be eaten up by smartphones.
You can’t pocket an a7 with a lens yet. I doubt they will be able to create a 15-50 zoom as they did for APS-C. Small nex + small lenses make sense now.
If you want to carry a camera in a pocket, there’s RX100mk2.
And if you want to change lenses, you’ll need a bag anyway. And since you’re carrying a bag, you can as well put a FF in there.
you can pocket a nex+pancake and let the big lenses in the car. You can’t pocket an a7 yet
APSC will die when FF cameras drops its price to 400-500$ for consumer body only. Until that no chance to get rid of APSC cameras at all and for APSC only lenses. FF ones will never be so compact and cheap as cropped ones… So it’s nonsense to close APSC NEX cameras and lenses development… IMHO
Of course it will — in three years time!
In the meanwhile Sony expects everyone just to sit down and wait?
And by then FF will be replaced by Sony foray into medium format?
In technology, timing is everything.
I expect Sony will concentrate on FE lenses going forward which still works for you, it just won’t be cheap. It’s becoming clear Sony is looking at APS-C e-mount as mostly consumer grade.
Of course, this is how Sony sees the world in 2014. Can they stick to any plan?
Yes, I’m a consumer and need consumer camera and consumer reasonable price-quality lenses. I’ve played with FF DSLRs a lot few years ago with hugue lenses like 70-200… Yes ti gives you a lot of quality but for now APSC is enough for my in terms of quality too… So I just want to live with it and get some good lenses for it.
18-55 is good kit, 55-210 is poor tele but we have nothing to change it with, 50mm prime is perfect for its price, 35mm is just as perfect as 50mm, 10-18 is perfect ultra-wide this lenses I’ve got and happy with it. But where is lenses with better quality? Ok 16-70 Zeiss can replace kit 18-55 or 16-50PZ, but price is high for such small increase of quality. 18-105G is good replacement for both kit and little bit for poor tele and price is good, but some uncorrected distortions… not good but can levee with it of sometime I’d like to buy this one. And that’s all we have nothing to offer in portrait-tele with a quality-price compared to 50 or 35mm OSS lenses…. too many questions for sony…???
Many of the FE lenses are at very workable focal lengths for APS-C cameras. The exception being the two normal zooms (which aren’t BAD focal lengths just not common for APS-C). But then there’s already a 16-70 Zeiss and 18-105 G lens. The 70-200 is a solid compliment to both. The FE55mm lens is a great focal length on APS-C and a 85/90mm FE lens is a given. As is a 135mm FE. Why make those focal lengths just for APS-C E-mount?
Also, I agree a 50-135/150mm zoom would be great but I’m not aware of ANY mirror less system that has that. They all have gone with a more traditional ~70-200mm zoom range–which Sony will shortly have as well.
“Why make those focal lengths just for APS-C E-mount?”
Aren’t the FE lenses bigger and as a result more expensive because they have to cover a bigger light circle?
The upside is that the full frame lenses will be compatible when you upgrade to full frame in a couple years.
Don’t want to go FF until SONY release something like NEX 5N with FF sensor. I don’t want to carry in my bag camera just a little bit smaller than any current DSLRs. Don’t need EVF and I want to have touchscreen to deal with focus point much faster without pressing some kung-fu C1-FN button combo on body=)
And finally FF lenses for NEX will never be so small as for crop NEX and I thin most of it lose OSS, this is big disadvantage for me…
But what if I don’t want to upgrade to FF with it’s huge size lenses? What if crop cameras and lenses is enough for me if it has quality build? No answers for that from sony… FF will never be as cheap as crop this time and in future too
Main reason why sony should make APSC NEX lens lineup is lens price. I don’t need this zeiss expensive crap even with it’s “very very high quality” – price for its quality is unreasonable – look at canon-nikon lineup for APSC lenses. FE lenses is good of course, but again price and zeiss only lineup for now. Where is cheap SEL or Sony G lenses for FullFrame E mount? I don’t understand SONY policy and inability to speak with customers with good and understandable lens roadmap? Where is lens roadmap?
It was good when sony released it’s APSC E mount primes 35-50mm and ultra-wide 10-18 lens. Ok I’ve bought it and was happy a lot, but it’s time to grow up with NEX lenses and I have no choice what lens to buy – already got kit 18-55, wide 10-18, tele 55-210, 35 and 50 primes. Next should be some portrait lens for crop and some good telephoto.
Ok sony released zeiss 16-70 and 18-105 G. ok this is good for enthusiastic users but not for everyone, especially zeiss with its crazy price like in time of 24/1.8 Zeiss… But we need more consumer oriented lenses like 50/1.8 OSS was. I can’t see such kind combo of quality-price-advanages like 50mm has on new released lenses. It’s sad. OK I possible “can buy” FF NEX lenses with its crazy price but would I? No. Yes its perfect optically and build good, but FF zeiss and FF G combo of price-advanages too below to look at this lenses, especially for zeiss dark primes with no optical stabilization OSS.
OK SONY stop laying fool and show us normal APSC roadmap! Go on or you’ll miss may users who still wait for good lenses for its compact NEX cameras. My two NEX 5N is still capable for good results and I don’t plan to change it until it die or broke…
I have the 20mm, 35mm and 50mm primes and 55-210mm zoom. I’ve been considering the 10-18mm wide angle, but because of the price and the uncertain future of APS-C bodies I’m hesitating. 16-70mm would be a nice range but I won’t buy the Zeiss, it costs about as much as all my lenses combined. A 14mm prime would be nice because that’s something you won’t replace with a FE lens.
“Why make those focal lengths just for APS-C E-mount”
They’ll be needlessly big and more expensive just to be cropped.
“50-135/150mm zoom would be great but I’m not aware of ANY mirror less system that has that”
m4/3 has 35-100/2.8 (70-200 equiv.) from Panasonic and 40-150/2.8 (80-300 equiv.) from Olympus.
Fair enough. I thought the rest of my post implied APS-C mirrorless but you are right. Regarding size that is true to a degree; however, less so for telephoto lenses. I’m not saying there isn’t a use for APS-C only e-mount lenses just that there’s some logic to prioritizing certain primes that can be used on both.
Ok no problem for primes for both FF and crop cameras just do the following – price should be compared to budget APSC lenses a lot, not to FF top-pro lenses for 2000$ who will buy it? few professionals and thats all? Second – OSS in all lenses.
Samsung and Fuji has it in its roadmaps 50-150/2.8 samsung and 50-140/2.8 fuji. But where is sony? In the middle of nowhere…
I agree with Andrey Burkov.
FE lenses are not the solution.
I agree with you. This was the problem when I had Canon. I didn’t need/want FF but wanted/needed EF-S lenses. EF lenses are needlessly big, more expensive, and have non-traditional/awkward FL on cropped bodies.
ME NAME IS KRNA. ME USE ALL CAPS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT MINOR ISSUE. KRNA HUNGRY.
Some Rumors about A77 mark II from a trusted source.
The camera will use a new 32 MP APS-C sensor that has full 4K movie functionality.
The autofocus will be a two choice system, either advanced super fast AF SLT mode or mirrorless mode (mirror moves out of the way) using the same array design on the A6000.
It will have a new dual BIONZ processor that will allow a very large buffer and good camera response.
Shutter will be designed for 12-14 FPS.
It will have a new designed 2550mAh battery that will work in old cameras and vice versa.
It will have a similar body construction of the A77 (weather resistant, metal construction).
THe new OLED electronic viewfinder 4,32 million dots.
This camera will have full Tethering ability!
Price is going to be $800 USA for the body.
There will be a trade-in program for Sony A77.
are you kidding?
It’s possible. Sony has doubled its engineers in its imaging division since the PC division dissolution was announced.
There is no way Sony would sell a camera with those specs for under a thousand Euros.
I like the idea of a high capacity battery. My A99 gobbles up allot of power
That was announced just over a month ago.
Are you saying that, since the announcement, Sony has recruited engineers who have designed that camera with those specs ready for a May launch?
The resources (personal) were moved months before the announcement, which was nothing more than a formality.
These cameras were designed and ready for launch months ago. Sony held off their launch for some unknown reason.
You specifically said, “since the PC division dissolution was announced”.
Are you revising that statement?
I also wonder what these PC engineers can bring to camera design.
Wow, your reading comprehension sucks.
How so? Perhaps you can explain.
Nice. I’ll take the fact that you have resorted to insults and have failed to clarify your claims as confirmation that you were talking out of your backside.
Nice edits BTW. “Lotus the Shit Eater”, wasn’t it?
Well at least he edited it out, I think we all get a bit carried away at times.
He seems to get carried away most of the time.
I have to agree with Lotus on this. Sony pc division was similar to HP pc division. Now, I have a DV9000 laptop that started out as a low end AMD, and is now a high end Intel with dedicated on board graphics. One thing i’ve noticed when swapping a motherboard and a bunch of other parts is that only supplemental parts, such as hard drive caddys, keyboard, various trays, etc, are made by HP. The main parts are not. As an example: Motherboard is made by a laptop motherboard OEM – Quanta.
So the only thing I can see Sony PC engineers assisting with, is the internal design of the camera, maybe port placement, structure reinforcement, etc, but in no way they would have anything to do with hardware specs.
I try to be polite, most of the time.
A massive increase in speed, and processing power.
Specifically increased expertise in ARM CPUs, ELV DDR IV memory, system bus, reducing system latency, firmware development, better connectivity (bluetooth, NFC, wifi, thunderbolt, FireWire etc)
The next generation of Sony’s will be more akin to a computer than a DSLR
“The next generation of Sony’s will be more akin to a super computer than a DSLR”.
You are such a troll. Your name is also Anony-mouse, right?
Yes, what could digital design engineers bring to digital camera design. SMH
Considering most of the technology in VAIO PCs is sourced from third-parties, yes, what could they bring?
First, there is no such thing as a computer engineer, a digital camera is a computer whose primary task is to capture images.
I didn’t say there was.
I was asking for clarification from BRWAT about these amazing engineers that have suddenly helped built a camera in just over a month “since the PC division dissolution was announced”.
I was responding to your statement “I also wonder what these PC engineers can bring to camera design.”
Right, so I should have said “PC division engineers” to make it easier for you. It’s fairly obvious and common knowledge that Vaios have very little Sony-designed technology inside when it comes to CPU, GPU, chipset, RAM system, etc. etc…
Yes, just like most other computers with very few exceptions.
Clearly.
The camera is already fully designed and is now going through the QA process.
Wrong.
Not Wrong. You sir, are misinformed.
100% fake.
Your rumour is going through QA today. Apparently it is grossly defective, and requires immediate re-engineering.
I will also say the this camera has the most accurate autofocus and fastest acquisition time of any camera I’ve ever used (including pro Canon and Nikon). The flip up mirror and on sensor phase detect AF mode puts the camera into a low gain ‘landscape’ mode for ultra low noise and high level of control, whereas the SLT mode is for action/tracking AF.
Also, profit was designed out of the camera bodies. They will be losing money on each sale of the A77II. They are banking on selling lenses and accessories to make up for it. Sony expects this camera to be incredibly popular.
Sir i take my hat off to you – you’re a comedy genius! Sony selling bodies at a loss to shift lenses…
Reminds me of the popular mythology behind the Minolta ‘secret handshake’ lens I own. ;^)
I am not. This should be very close to actual specs of camera early summer 2014.
No offense but if part of your reliable source material is obviously wrong it taints everything.
His source is obviously delusional. I’ve been told that in order for SLT tech to work the mirrors cannot move.
Was your source’s name “Rob Ford”
Lol. How did you know?
No, that’s not his name.
You gotta stop listening to crack heads. Single source reporting is rarely reliable.
SR1
Two choice AF, price and trade-in seem very unlikely.
No – it is absolutely an SR4.
Everything is acceptable, except for the price.
SR1 for sure.
Actually SR0.
LOL
He had me fooled until he mentioned the $800 price tag, which is silly.
$800.00 is BS.
lol 🙂
I think you’ll be very surprised.
Um…
FAIL.
Thats what I thought. Thanks Admin for keeping a sense of logic around here!
Admin.
If you know some of these specs to be untrue then please tell us the true ones.
I have heard some of these specs but not others.
I have heard 32mp but I expect bionz x not dual bionz
Many of these other specs I have not heard.
I have no detailed specs yet. But trusted sources told me the ones posted here are pure guess and in amny points wrong.
The most I’m excited about is the RX Full-Frame! I can’t wait. You guys can have all the A mount and E mount cameras.
Mirror has to move out of the way. If it doesn’t Sony is completely clueless about the DSLR market. It’s not that I think it matters, its that consumers make decisions based on stuff like that. Clean ISO up to 6400 with no smudgyness.
Didn’t one of the reviews SAR posted indicate the new a5000 starts loosing detail after ISO 800? The mirror isn’t the silver bullet many people, particularly e-mounts fans, think it is. ;^)
Every digital camera on the planet starts losing detail as you move up from base ISO. There’s nothing new here.
Just to help you out here, I should add “noticeably” or “significantly” since even Captain Obvious of hotel.com fame realizes why cameras still have multiple ISO settings below 800. ;^)
$800!?? Thought I saw 1200 pound a month ago. I decided after it was March, then June that I wasn’t going to wait. Pulled the trigger to replace my a700 with a a77, 2.8 kit and free grip. Tired of waiting.
Good for you, enjoy your new camera.
Thanks, Emph! Certainly hope to!
Wow, I’m really DISAPPOINTED in the a77 so far. LOVE the controls, feel, autofocus, screen, grip…but the images are WAYYYYY too soft. Compared to my a700, softer, even at lower ISO and higher aperture. I’m puzzled. Ready to send back to B&H.
I don’t own the A77 but do own the A99. Perhaps you should first try to isolate the issue. If it’s focus then a micro focus adjustment may be required. It may also be the raw converter you’re using; I don’t like the Sony raw converter at all. My workflow is Adobe Camera Raw then Photoshop, Lightroom’s version of Camera Raw works much the same as Photoshop. My camera’s raw files unprocessed are a bit flat color wise and not sharpened, but I find this an ideal starting point for adjustment. Making a few adjustments in Camera Raw will reveal an amazing amount of detail, color and plenty of shadow detail. Experiment a bit before giving up, you should see an improvement over the A700.
Appreciate the feedback. Focus is not the issue. I can see my images are in focus, but even after processing…same stuff you use, ACR and PS CS5, they ‘pixelated’. Grainy! I tried my 50mm 1.7 and it’s better, but still an issue.
Her skin looks GRAINY!! Shouldn’t the detail look better than this?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/matt21cdog-pics/13301332505/sizes/k/
What’s wrong with us Togs?
My god, why does every photography related thread on the planet invariable have someone saying they “pulled the trigger” or “they’re “jumping ship”.
SO CLICHED!!!
Sorry, Frank! I call ’em the way I see ’em. Five years I’ve waited for a new camera body. That calls for some pulling or jumping or something.
lol. I suppose so.
That’s the spirit, buddy! Happy St. Pat’s!
To you as well Sir.
I swapped from A700 to A77+16-50 on its release. Been loving it ever since.
Hmmm. So far the noise is bothersome! Love the feel and controls. I have to try some more tomorrow.
Wow, I’m really DISAPPOINTED in the a77 so far. LOVE the controls, feel, autofocus, screen, grip…but the images are WAYYYYY too soft. Compared to my a700, softer, even at lower ISO and higher aperture. I’m puzzled. Ready to send back to B&H. Any suggestions!?
Um, I still just want an A99 for $1599 body only.
With a free grip
And I want an A99 for $100 with a free grip and a free 70-400II lens.
What’s your point?
Nothing. I love the A99. I want one. When they lower the price to D600/6D range where it should be, i’ll buy one.
5+ year old A900 and A850’s are still being sold new from Sony stores across the country for $1200 and $999 respectively.
I know because I just snagged one from a store that is closing.
I dont think the A99 will drop down to $1599 until it’s discontinued and people are trying to get rid of stock.
I shoulda jumped last week when Buy.com had them for $1899
BTW, I do mostly landscape work, so nothing beats an A850/A900. Do the new cameras have better AF and noise control? Sure…but its not for me.
Maybe everyone should just stop with the comparisons to the Nikon d600:
http://petapixel.com/2014/03/17/nikon-asked-halt-d600-sales-china-scathing-nationally-televised-expose/#more-131640
You get what you pay for.
D610?
I came so close to pulling the trigger on the D600 a year ago, the A99 bundle deal saved me.
No I dont think so!!
LOL.
Brian, this legit? If so, best comment ever.
lollercoaster
When the A99 replacement/update comes out it will probably be priced close to $3000.
Of course it will, they’ll be an entry level FF (SLT A88) launched prior to it’s release for those who can’t afford the SLT A99II
I think all of us are fed up with Sony’s pricing 🙂
Hello All.
I know one very important thing for a fact.
Sony is planning a firmware update to several existing SLT cameras.
That is all.
-Shadow
Saweet!
Shadow,
Are you sure you aren’t mistaking yourself for a mirage? I mean, that would be cool and all…but this isnt the first time we’ve heard this…
Sony doesn’t provide support to existing customers.
Of course they do. They just define ‘support’ differently.
This is not likely to be a mirage.
Let me put it this way – if this update doesn’t make it out, that means several weeks’ effort was expended in vain. I can’t imagine why they’d can the project now.
-Shadow
“planning” when?
When the A77 II starts to sell?
2015?
When RX 100 VII gets announced?
I would like to see support added for manual focus (non-chipped) lenses. Being able to set the focal length would allow use of image stabilization, and manually setting the lens aperture would allow aperture priority function to work.
Aperture priority works fine on non chipped lenses with he A77, just set aperture on the lens and the shutter speed and ISO adjust to set exposure. If you have a chip it is a bit more complex as you need to make sure the Aperture is set to its minimum on the camera, f/1.4
Don’t work on the A99, aperture just reads “?” and cannot be manually set in the camera. Generally I use full manual and adjust the shutter speed using the front dial and exposure meter in the viewfinder display. If I could tell the camera manually what the F stop setting is on the lens, then aperture priority would work (automatically setting the shutter speed.) Auto ISO works fine.
You do not set the aperture in the camera you set it on the lens using the aperture ring. No aperture in the photo information of course.
You’re missing my point; if you could dial the aperture setting on the lens into the camera then aperture priority would work allowing the camera to automatically set the shutter speed. This F number would also be conveniently recorded in the exif data. The reason the automatic aperture mode don’t work is because the camera has no idea what the lens is set to. Other camera manufacturers offer this option, it would be a nice add on.
I’ve never had this problem with my A65. I have recently chipped my Minolta MC 58/1.4, but before I’ve done that Shutter and ISO were working just fine. Arpeture was just showing “—“.
Once I installed a chip, arpeture now shows 1.4, but the rest of the camera works the same way it used to. Only problem is that it was a custom set chip, and idiotic vendor, instead of setting it to 58/1.4, set it to 60, with a ton of arpeture values at full stops from 1.4 to 22. This is a big issue, cause when arpeture is set to something other than 1.4 in-camera, the resulting image will be overexposed. The reason being is the camera, expects the lens to be wide open at the time of focusing and then stopped-down automatically when taking a photo. Since there is no auto-stop down interface between such a lens and a camera, the camera thinks that its stopping down the lens, when in reality it does nothing, but overexpose by selected number of stops from wide open value.
So essentially, a camera set to F2.8, with F1.4 lens mounted, will overexpose by 2 stops regardless of f-stop value selected manually on the lens.
The 85mm 1.4 samyang lens work fine on my A99 in full manual mode or using auto iso. However; if Sony added a function through firmware that would allow you to set the focal length (which would be fixed in this application at 85mm) the sensor based stabilization system would work (it does not now). And if this firmware update also offered the ability to set the F stop setting on the lens to the same number in the camera, the automatic function of aperture priority (where the camera automatically sets the shutter speed) would also work and the exif data would reflect that F stop setting. All this without needing a chip which has limited options as you described. Other manufactures offer this option and it works.
Perhaps the A99 is different but A priority works fine on the A77 with non-chiped lenses. The only thing you lose is the data in EXIF. The camera will set the shutter speed and ISO, if on auto, to match the amount of light hitting the sensor it does not car what the aperture is set to. The stabilization, I think, just assumes 50mm, so works better with chips but it still works without.
Stop the presses; It does work, no F stop is shown but the shutter speed is automatically set. Great! Only had this lens for a few weeks, and the results are great. Manual focus is pretty easy with the focus peaking and zoom, plus I started out using manual lenses so the instincts learned long ago kick right in. Thanks for the tip, this will make things a bit easier.
I am absolutely disappointed that there is no date for a FF A-Mount device at all. After waiting now so Long ….. I started selling all my A-Mount equipment and almost all is gone by now.
I am not interested in E-Mount: the AF for the a7 series is too slow and the frame-rate is below anything selling elsewhere. Alas, the 6000 may have improvement there, but is APS-C and the built-quality is not up to standard.
It looks like SONY doesn’t even care for their potential semi-pro/pro clientele at all, though their lenses do have that kind of price tag.
A pity that is, after staying with Minolta since the mid 60s – it’s around 50 years by now. So WTF ….. np-one cares for A-Mount here, anyhow. Everyone seems to be E-crazy. Nobody does Shooting on fast moving objects here?
[by the way: I do not understand your comment System anymore – I do not want to give another site Access to my data]
You are going to see more and more of this apathy to existing systems and innovation to design new ones from all manufactures as time goes on. Everyone is slowly migrating to smartphones and light mirror-less cameras. Electronic systems lifespans are getting shorter and shorter. Photography is morphing into something very different than what it’s been.
I’d say if you love your gear (SLR style, handling, lenses) you should keep it all. At some point, and none of us knows when, there wont be any more. And unless you’ve kept what you had, you’ll be hard pressed to find an alternative.
Time marches on, regardless of what some of us want.
Consumers are, professionals are sticking with DSLRS.
I agree the majority are obviously still using DSLRs, but I do think this will change sooner than we expect as well. I personally know one successful fashion photographer who’s using several mobile devices with accessories/phone/flash trigger apps as her go-to devices and a DSLR as a backup.
IMO you need both a FF DSLR, and a FF CSC. You really need the A-Mount to use/handle the large/fast zoom lenses, and a CSC for jobs where the DSLR’s bulk is not required.
That’s what film shooters said about digital SLR 15 years ago.
Mirror-less camera adoption offers no financial technological benefit for the average semi-pro or professional photographer currently using a FF DSLR other than weight savings.
We switched to DSLRS in order reduce our processing costs, and digital’s increased versatility. More importantly we were able to transition to digital without having to buy new lenses. The switch cost us between $2000 to $4000 for the new digital body.
If we had been forced to buy new lenses that transition would have been mush slower, and cost prohibitive for most photographers. Most would be using film today.
The average lens library was worth valued well over 10K back then, now its closer to 20K.
Mirror-less single largest disadvantage is its lack of native backward compatibility with current lens libraries. Adapters will not suffice. As a result they will remain a small/niche segment for professionals for the foreseeable future.
Also current mirror-less cameras offer little additional advantages over current DSLRs other than their size. Most are crippled by small sensors poor AF systems, short battery life, and the only Full Frame CSC available is plagued with quality control issues.
Which ever way you look at this the future is in motion imaging and for that a mirrored camera is a liability, an EVF is far better for option. Professionals are well aware of these facts and I don’t know any professionals who actually think a DSLR is a better tool in a motion rich environment, but most agree that with the current state of technology a DSLR is still a “faster shooting” camera for stills.
That’s the reason i bought the A99 in early 2013. Its really the best of both technologies. It allows me to natively use my Minolta G-Series lenses alongside my modern Zeiss collection. I really can’t wait to see what the A99II is capable of.
That’s a very sensible choice, I thought about it but stuck with Canon hoping for an EVF, but it never came. Now I’m trying out the A7R, truly lovely files and my one lens the 55 is utterly astounding. The A7R has quirks though, as does my DSLR mindset……..
Mirrorless may be the future but who really cares if a body has a mirror or not as long as it works? However, small and light ergonomics can suck pretty bad. Sony’s mirrorless lineup has poor handling.
Ironically, e-mount fanboys thumping their chests their cameras are so teensy tiny overlook M43 systems can go even further in compactness. So if you’re right the future is teensy tiny cameras (because if it doesn’t fit in my shirt pocket I don’t want it) it goes to follow Sony goofed going APS-C. When Sony wakes up to their mistake hope they make a lens adapter for your legacy axxxx. ;^)
The next A-Mount FF aimed for pro, they have to deal with A-mount lenses OSPD AF, and then they want to introduce more advance tech such as z-shift and 5 axis ibis, then they have to approach differenlty from canikon, im sure sony will figure how to catch lenses lack by using canikon lenses as NEX series does.
and all of them will need very much time and resource, but ill wait
id rather wait for a “surprise” mature camera than a “pro level” tag and rush to catch for d4 or photokina but in the end get half baked minor change A99
I do not fully agree. There will always be a pro to semi-pro market which will need FF [or MF], fast lenses, high speed frame-rates ….. and all that jazz.
Or do you really believe, the big Fashion magazines or GEO or alike will be happy with A6000 IQ??? All the Marketing & Advertising stuff will need top-notch quality, the little cams cannot offer – never mind a smart phone.
What you are talking about is the hobbyist market …. there I agree!
They certainly were when that was what was available! In the fashion industry perception is very important. Yes, there are areas of photography with strict technical needs but I think in fashion what’s really holding Sony back is prestige, a well-rounded line of premium glass, and better flash/strobe support.
I have a feeling that Sony will come out with an update for the A7/R later this year – as you said they do have issues – I suspect they will incorporate the a6000 sensor technology into the new A7/R along with higher frame rate – much larger buffer to compete with the Fuji X-T1 –
You are right – Sony sees the E-mount line as for beginners – just look at the lens selection compared with Fuji and M43
I think Sony is now finally wanting to focus on the semi pro users/advanced users – to compete with Fuji as well and in some ways the success of M43.
I also agree on what you said about Sony’s lens prices for FE – so they are playing a game by offering the A7/R bodies at a reasonable price for FF – but only two G branded lenses ( the kit lens and the super super expensive 70-200 F4.0 ) and the rest is super expensive Zeiss primes with no IS –
Although I have the NEX5n and NEX7 I have likewise been waiting for a semi pro E-mount body – and more G lenses –
The upgrade for the NEX6 is nice minus no Touch LCD – but I really think that there where a lot more people out there hoping for a NEX7 upgrade – So likewise I am disappointed in Sony –
mmmm… zeiss fe manual focus glass… 21/2.8, 35/1.4, 55/1.4 otus, and 135/2 apo please!
Hmm… there is only one Sony camera that interests me at all, and its the one with no date! Come on Sony, FF A-Mount, let us have it!
Only 3 new FE lenses ??? Previous roadmap was showing 5. Why ???
Original Sony timeline had 5 at or near launch, 5 in 2014, and 5 in 2015. Since two of the lenses have slipped well into 2014, perhaps those are being counted against the 5 for 2014, meaning 3 more to be announced. Given the delays in getting the already announced lenses out, having some of the 2014 group of 5 slipping to 2015 seems probable.
I wonder if this new flagship A9R will also be the 4k camera. Make it an A7R with EFCS, faster than an A6000, and Nikon quality build and $2700. Or make it 54mp, faster than an A6000, and $2700. So glad Sony is on the ball with their flagship so soon after releasing the A7R. Great job, Sony!
I am predicting A7 sells for 1200, A7R sells for 1700, A9R sells for 2400 by this time next year. It will be a great chance for NEX and A mount users to upgrade to the consolidated camera line. Great times ahead for A99 owners.
Sony need to give us that mirrorless FF with IBIS. People will pay sh!tload for it.
The mirrorless a-mount is coming, don’t worry.
This is what I’m waiting for.
wait i didn’t see the a3000 did it dies ^^
bring on the RX2!
And with “R” version！
Great I think the A88 is going to release pretty soon, probably next year. Anyway I am waiting for the A77 mk.II though.
how about a full frame RX2 camera with fixed lens 42mm f1.8???? something not yet available in the market.
Really disappointed in my new A77 so far. LOVE everything but the images. Why so soft!? I’m shooting RAW with f2.8 16-50. Today I shot at 100 ISO and STILL images look softer than my a700. Puzzled.
Maybe your Camera is somewhat faulty. Search on Flickr for A77 photos and have a look if those are similar to your photos or significantly better? Maybe try a different lens if you can borrow from someone? Did you shoot in good light?
I followed some forum advice…microfocus adjustment. Plus I turned down the DRO…didn’t realize I had it cranked up, which accounts for some of the grain. THANKS! Think I’m set for vacation!
Great to hear! I was surprised to hear about your problems since I have an NEX-7 which has the same sensor and I am very happy with the IQ. Enjoy your holiday! 🙂
a new FF E-mount – sounds like the long awaited NEX7 upgrade – as the A6000 was a NEX6 upgrade –
To me Sony should focus more on producing more E-mount lenses – but I think their thinking is that the NEX line is for beginners and families which are not likely to get more lenses other then the kit lens –
I am more excited to see another update to the RX100 – like a RX100m3 — this time with Touch LCD and Touch To Focus – a small built-in EVF similar to the one in the Panasonic LF1 and an option to buy an attachable EVF for less than $200 and of course my biggest wish is
a faster lens – a F2.0-F2.8 why not – My Fuji X20 has it –
So although the Fuji X20 has a smaller sensor it has no AA filter and faster lens – so it really gives the RX100/m2 a run for its money ( yes it is cheaper than the RX100m2 ) – so at 100mm I get better images with the Fuji X20 at F2.8 vs the RX100/m2 at F4.9 –
So that is really what I wished Sony would improve on –
My Olympus Stylus has a 28-300mm F2.8 lens in a body that is not much larger than the RX100m2 ( minus the viewfinder hump )
What else would make the RX100m2 better ?? – it is really nice as it is minus the lens slowing down and no Touch LCD and no viewfinder ( yes I know one can get one for $500 )
If I where Sony I would make the RX100m3 a bit wider to fit a small built-in viewfinder EVF and few more Fn button – but keep thickness and height – that would also allow a bit better gripping – yet would still fit in any pocket
So now with the super hybrid focus system in the A6000 – then why even continue on with the large DSLR line as the problem with mirror-less has been slower focus on fast moving objects but now that is being address and getting to be just as good as DSLR’s