Some news from the competition: Nikon announced their new flagship Nikon 1 V3 mirrorless cameras. First thing you will notice is that it can do 20fps in continuous AF mode and a very A6000 alike hybrid autofcus system with nearly 100% frame coverage. But they do not claim the AF to be as fast as the A6000.
Second thing you notice is the high price ($1,200 here at Amazon). Quite pricey if you consider the A6000 costs $400 less.
P.S.: Nikon 1 V3 Coverage at Mirrorlessrumors.com.
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I know for a fact that Sony developed the sensor and AF technology in this camera.
Sad
It’s highly likable that Aptina developed the sensor and AF tech and not Sony.
Are you sure about that?
The previous Nikon 1 cameras all used sensors by Aptina.
While it wouldn’t surprise me that Nikon would move to a Sony sensor, it would be even less surprising if they are still working with Aptina on their 1″ sensors.
I’m not doubting what you say but I find this surprising since Sony and Aptina signed an agreement that they can use each other’s patents.
No you dont, the V1 had far better C-AF and tracking compared to any mirrorless at the time , Nikon do not need to look to Sony for AF . But don’t let that get in the way of what you know
Of course it’s not a Sony!
Sorry, It is an Aptina sensor.
Sunday, September 23, 2012
Aptina Introduces 1-inch 18MP BSI Sensor
Aptina, a provider of CMOS imaging solutions has released the ultra-compact AR1820HS digital camera image sensor for the consumer market.
The new sensor targets high-end compact digital cameras as well as high-end consumer DV applications. The AR1820HS delivers 18-megapixel high resolution images with a new 1.25-micron backside illuminated (BSI) pixel, fitting in the 1/2.3-inch mainstream DSC optical format.
The AR1820HS utilizes Aptina A-PixHS technology, which brings Aptina?s BSI pixel technology together with high-speed sensor architecture. A-PixHS technology provides high quantum efficiency, low noise, and low power consumption.
The native 18MP resolution can be read out at up to 24fps, enabling high-resolution, and high-speed burst still image capture capability. In video modes, the sensor can output a 16:9 aspect ratio, full field-of-view 14MP at 30fps and a binned 8MP at 60fps. Additionally, over-sampled video provides extra area for electronic image stabilization (EIS) and steady digital zooming. The AR1820HS pixel summing capability provides the camera designer with the option of faster 1080p60 and 1080p120 video modes, or lower power consumption video options.
The AR1820HS high-speed output is enabled by the Aptina 8-lane HiSPi serial interface (800Mbps per lane). HiSPi was developed by Aptina for faster data throughput associated with its sensors. HiSPi is an open access, scalable technology that enables 1080p/60 fps performance (and beyond.)
Aptina’s AR1820HS image sensor is currently sampling in limited volumes and will be in mass production in Q3CY13.
Small sensor, 13.2 x 8.8mm.
How come no one here complains that the 70-300mm zoom for the Nikon costs almost $1000 US? And it’s not even a fast zoom, or a fixed aperture zoom.
Camera looks nice though.
This. The body price isn’t surprising as it’s a new body with lots of accessories (that should come built in imo but whatever…)
The lens pricing is pure insanity. Would like to see comparisons to say, a Sigma 70-300 that you can get for 200 or less.
its pretty fast for an 800mm eq. lens.
If that’s your definitions of fast, a cheap random SLR superzoom with an adapter on the J3 would be fast as well. And don’t cost 1k$.
If you start that equivalent thing, do it thoroughly at least.
If you don’t want autofocus.. sure, you could do that.
speaking of through,
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-800mm-5-6E-NIKKOR-Digital/dp/B00B7O31B8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394740453&sr=8-1&keywords=nikon+800mm
thats what an 800mm with autofocus costs, its a 5.6 as well.
All modern Nikon lenses have AF with one series bodies using the FT1 adapter. Which means that you can attach your random 70-300 whatever F mount lens (which is on average much cheaper than this 70-300).
That 800mm FF is more expensive because it’s got a larger physical aperture. It’s not f5.6 “as well”. That’s why it costs more, despite offering the same FOV. Do you actually know what that f-number-thingy means? If you did, you’d also know why your linked lens is bigger, heavier, more expensive…
Fair enough, not a nikon expert. I read
*2Autofocus is available only with AF-S lenses; other lenses support manual focus only. The only AF-area mode available is Single-point AF and the camera focuses on the subject in the center focus point only.
I assumed that was single point with all AF-S lenses. Which is unusable at 800mm IMO.
my point was getting the focal length on another system, F-stop are the same whatever sensor size, its just the DoF that is different, which is is honestly an advantage to someone that would be using an 800mm.
BTW, you should do some research yourself before you insult people blindly.
It is not just DOF , critically it is total light gathered that matters. If nominal aperture was all that counted then the superzooms like the FZ200 with its 600mm f2.8 claim would be beyond amazing.
With the ft1 adapter you can autofocus and continuos track only with center point. This lens which “should” be very well made will track and af with all points.
300 f4 is a good cheap fx lens for n1, 70-300 fx not so much
one stupid price is enough, if we start considering all overpriced Nikon stuff, we do not end the discussion for the next 6 month.
Quoting someone from NR
“The resolution necessary to achieve the same “sharpness” from a given sensor scales inversely with the sensor size. MTF is given as a funtion of “lines per millimeter”, which is basically “features per millimeter”. So to match a sensor with twice the linear pixel density (twice the “pixels per millimeter”), you need twice the resolution. That’s why just slapping the FX 70-300 lens in front of the 1″ 18 MP N1 sensor won’t give very sharp images. If it would, it would go counter the “no free lunch theorem”, too.
A 70-300 mm lens for N1 not only is equivalent to a 189-810 mm FX lens in terms of field of view, but to achieve the same visual accuity, it also needs to be designed with the same complexity as that latter one.
And that is expensive.The smaller image circle makes the required lens elements smaller, which is some savings in material, but that’s it.”
Only Nikon fanboys will buy this overpriced toy. At least they know market –Nikon Df, Coolpix A, etc.
Nah, they’ll sell a ton of them in Japan and other parts of Asia. Here in the US, yeah you are probably right.
Mirrorless of all types has been a total flop in America look shipments were down 46% last year. Do you think the few early adopters of the A7r will be jumping for joy now that kits are selling for $1000 less .It is amusing how other mirrorless brand fans attack Nikon so much considering how big the losses made by all the major mirrorless players are.
Because the EVF is an accessory, Nikon is breaking from the short-lived V tradition. Nikon cares about video capture and photographing birds with this one.
they changed batteries again (V1,V2, V3 all have different batteries…)
microSD cards
Grip doesn’t have portrait button or batteries
“High speed vídeo” only lasts 3 seconds
no hot-shoe
PRICE!!!
it does 20fps, but i would also like to know the buffer sise of this camera….
At 60 fps the buffer allows 40 images (even in RAW), as does in the V2. I don’t know for 20 fps, but I expect little or no gain at all (my V1 does 30 images at 60 fps, 30 at 30 fps, and 34 at 10 fps).
Regarding the battery, at least they managed to get some compatibility, as it’s expected the new EN-EL20a will be backwards compatible with the EN-EL20 of the S1 and J series.
But the microSD, price… Jeez…
Saludos!
While I love my nex7 and the new A6000. I have to say if I wanted a tiny camera to shoot daylight kids sports or birds and needed to be able to reach 810mm the V3 and want to motor drive 20fps thats the combo to go with.
A6000 is for everything else sort of.. if It had Tri-navi my Nex7 would be for sale right now but don’t so no I’ll wait till there is a Sony has a mirrorless sports camera.
1 series cameras use Aptina sensors not Sony.. probably why Sony 1″ sensors like in RX100 have better high iso performance. And Aptina sensor allows for blazing fast AF 120FPS/720P video.. 60FPS Raw maximum burst which folks used for 0.5-1sec 4K video clips using the raw files.
If you think about it, there are still vestiges of tri-navi remaining: Sony kept the three wheel design and the customization of one of the wheels in constant access. With the other custom buttons I think tri-navi has actually been outdone. You can set the camera up just so. Definitely works on the A7r.
Does this mean that you can change the function of the top dial (not the mode one) with the custom button – for example to toggle between functions?
Well. Given the wild pixel density, let’s see how it does.
Barry’s 32MP A77II may not be out of reach
Its not Barrys ..mine would have been 36mp..its what sony told me they are going to release.
The new 54mp stacked ff sensor..thats the Barry sensor.
In all fairness though I would prefer 54mp x 3 layer…this will be 18mp x 3 layer.
If the a77II is $650 or less and 32mp you are still buying one for me? Right?
Yes. I will be buying one for me and one for you. I would only hope to get one of your nice animal prints in return, because it would look good in my office. That’s not a condition though.
That sounds fair to me.
Sighned limited edition on canvas any image that is not sold out..thats most of them..we can discuss sizes later.
Barry, I’m just curious, but wouldn’t something like the V3 be ideal for you?
It usually seems you’re more interested in pixel density and a crop factor than total resolution.
If you were to get this, the F mount adapter and the Nikon version of the recent Tamron 100-600mm, you’d have 18mp with AF and a 1620mm eq. on the long end, without having to use a teleconverter.
(2.7x crop on these “CX” sized sensors.)
Let me clarify
Absolute highest total resolution is my highest priority.
That said when it comes to macro and long tele C size brings some other advantages to the table..dof and compactness…so this is a compromise..I would much prefer 54mp ff to 24mp C.
Smaller than C is too extreme for me. Otherwise I would consider a HX400
Reasonable I suppose. Do you do much that isn’t long tele or macro?
For most wide-normal angle situations the A99 will out resolve A77.
No..only animals..mostly tele and macro
Ugly. I”ll stick with my E-P5 for the small stuff.
It’s also hideously expensive when you realise that the sensor has less than a third of the surface area of the A6000.
Christ, what an ugly expensive excuse for a device.
Andrea, If one forgets the fact of the 1″ sensor, they can see the bargain in the price which includes the body, EVF, the handgrip and the kitzoom. 🙂
(granted the A6000 has a built in grip and an EVF- minor details… 😉 )
Let the Nikon bashing commence, lol…
When the sensor is 1″ and the depth of field so wide, is fast AF a redeeming quality?
I like the little kit lens. Collapsing zooms aren’t exactly anything new (not even with power zoom and VR), but integrating the lens cap is a nice touch.
It may seem like a trivial issue, but I carry a CSC with a pancake lens in my jacket pocket when I want to take quick snaps on the street. The time it takes to remove a fiddly little lens cap can be the difference between getting the shot I want or missing it.
It’s a shame they don’t seem to have retained the filter ring though.
And they Sony is overpriced.
this is an amazing camera all in all, if it sells for 400$ one could have a look at it. Let us not forget that we get a NEX-3N for 300$ with an APSC sensor. I doubt that Nikon store will take much of this in stock after the loss they had with 1 V1 model. That one sold like fresh bread when the price dropped to 300$, and, the EVF was in the camera. If Nikon want to sell this, why do they do so at 2.5 times the price it should be. 2013 statistics give a decrease of 40% camera sales compared to 2010. If i see this pricing policy, there is no wonder that Nikon is losing market shares. A D4 that is sold twice it’s value, a totally useless and overpriced DF, eternal repolishing of elder models, new models with major issues like D800 and 600, and no inovation since a decade. Nikon is digging it’s own grave. I hoped that the 1 experience had made them smarter, but as I see they just improved there stupidity.
you should rename your site Sonikon rumors, despite that this here is not a rumor. Seems that you have not enough Sony to write about, this Nikon can be seen on any Photography site online and in every magazine. It was useless, to my opinion, to report about this here, everyone knows about the fancy pricing, even without reading the specs, most just stop there interest at the fancy price they sell it for. So, lets wait the next fire sales to get one of those when it drops to 250$ like the 1 V1
I think a test will be how good the EVF is…Bit of a a stretch to be up to Sony standards…Then again they maybe buying Sony EVF tech as well as their sensors…
Nikon are probably using less Sony sensors than ever , their APS range { their biggest seller by a long way} use a Nikon designed and Toshiba manufactured sensor { which is a by a narrow margin the best current APS sensor}, the CX sensors are made by Aptina. As for EVF Epson seem to be at least as good as Sony.
i was interested in nikon 1 again, since the last couple of weeks rumors fo the super zoom show up.
but $1000, nikon its crazy, since the release of the good 18.5mm f1.8, the best lense for the nikon1, nikon got the 30mm f1.2 for close a $1000, at least they can justify the price because the big f1.2, but this super tele zoom its just a regular 70-300 than any brand its selling for a couple of hundreads of dollars, thats insane.
i would buy an rx10 anyday instead of that overpriced lense.
thats the final nail in the nikon 1 coffin, at least for me.
for the ones who see any advantage in that v3 wait a couple of months, nikon know it had only sold nikon 1 cameras at fire sales prices (you still can buy a j1 today for a couple of hundreads bucks, even if they are now in the j3)
the v3 price its so high, so when you see it at 50% off in half a year you think you are getting the deal of the year and rush to buy it, but the fact is that this cheap cameras with cheap sensors cost almost nothing to manufacture, so nikon will still make a profit when they sold v3 at 50% off.
that had been always nikon way, ask any nikon owner how money they pay for their nikon and surely most will say they got a good deal, lol, that a company claim a price but in reality its happy for selling it at a fraction of that price claim, and that promotions or good deals show in just a few months after the product its released, or just after they get the money from the launch-buyers, its not a good deal, its getting played by that comapny.
nikon loyal fans motto “wait a couple of weeks for the mandatory 15%-25% off… or wait until the new model get released, that had zero improvements, and buy the last year model at fire sale price”
Yes I guess the early adopters of the A7R in the USA will be real happy that kits are now sealing for $1000 less lol. It is the way of the world for most mirrorless cameras
This camera/system is getting better, but the insane price makes it a no-go!
As ugly as ever. If Nikon cannot get their cameras designed by Giugiaro team in Italy (like the D series) everything they do on their own, looks like an old home appliance.
This thing looks much better than the D series…those weird out-of-proportion designs with every possible curve done to look awkward aren’t even fit to be compared on the same level as this model and the half-frame Coolpix.
Cameraegg is comparing specs:
http://www.cameraegg.org/nikon-1-v3-vs-1-v2-vs-sony-a6000-vs-fujifilm-x-t1-specs-comparsion/
The V3 is about same size, slightly heavier, smaller sensor, there is almost no lenses for the entusiast, on top of that the price is close twice as high … Sorry Nikon, I dont know what you want to get out of this one …
Why would anybody considering the A6000 and at the same time considering this (probably meaning that he has no knowledge in either) care about what the AF tech is?
The V3 reminds me my first “point-and-shoot” xD
“Nikon 1 V3 has similar A6000 hybrid AF”
Actually Nikon 1 was first camera with successful on sensor phase AF implementation, Sony made it years later 🙂
Aptina made the sensor with embedded PDAF sensor for the Nikon 1 series. Sony saw its potential in a mirrorless camera and wisely cross-licensed the technology from Aptina. By the way, the CDAF sensors on the Nikon V3 sensor is significantly much smaller than those used in the A6000.
The sensor in the NEX-6 seems to be Sony’s first sensor in having embedded PDA sensors. The Fuji XE-2 and Fuji XT-1 seems to be using the same sensor with a different color filter array. The AF performance of the Fuji XT-1 however is considerably better than the NEX-6 and XE-2 so it looks like Fuji has gone one step further with the same sensor.
Given Fuji’s past record, it will likely that the XE-2 will receive a firmware upgrade to elevate its AF performance to that in the XT-1. Sadly, it seems unlikely that Sony will do the same with the NEX-6. I expect Fuji to make use of the same sensor used in the A6000 for the Fuji X-Pro2 with again a different color filter array.
Given how Fuji improved the XT-1 AF performance using the 1st-generation sensor, I expect the Fuji X-Pro2 to be specially good with the new 2nd-generation sensor used in the A6000.
also general motors made an electric car in 1995 ..but it abandoned it..and went into near bankruptcy in five years cause of it .and today electric cars are best made by others like tesla ..a well known lack of foresight story in the car industry
so bottom line is the important thing for us as consumers is who took the new innovation and made the best it can do with it ..which is currently sony .
So what if Nikon does not claim the new model is as fast as the A6000?
They also never claimed the original V1 was as fast as any other mirrorless camera, but for two years the V1 was the speed king, easily faster than even any Sony of the time.
You’ll notice that Nikon, unlike other mirrorless manufacturers, does not declare its models to have the fastest autofocus ever.
1″ sensor for $1200? 70-300 lens for $1000?
well im sure a lot of fanboys will keep eating off this hand and buy such camera at that price .
i do hope most SAR site users have a bit more intellect then that though
Come to think of it, this should be targeted towards customers with a special need for ultra-fast AF, ultra-fast burst and high FPS video, for footage to fiddle with in Twixtor or something. This is a consumer grade model while professional offerings from other companies could have an even more absurd pricing.
Nikon is a joke. However I fear Sonys future when one day Canon or Nikon enter the CSC scene seriously. They are just playing around as of now.
I see no competition, Nikon 1 is just a joke.
Nikon 1 V3 — the world’s fastest* continuous shooting rate with AF tracking.
*Among digital cameras with interchangeable lenses available as of March 13 , 2014. Statement based on Nikon research.