Can you tell me the last time a Sony camera made it into the top 10 of the weekly most sold DSLR (or system) cameras in Japan? I believe it was over one year ago with the Sony A700
Panasonic GF1
and Olympus E-PL1
Olympus E-PL1
Olympus E-PL1
Olympus E-PL1
are on place 14 and 18.
I would say that is a good start! And now Sony let’s see some new Alpha model with EXmorHD sensor 🙂
Source: BCNranking
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imagine where it would be on the list if the rating was independent of the color, i.e. if black & silver were just reported as one common NEX-5D model!
O_O They make ranking BY COLORS?!
Ok… now that’s just silly….
How can this be- the all powerful DP Review gave it a bad review?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dpreview gave a bad review. If I could rate dpreviews review on the NEX I would rate it a a more than generous 55%.
Pros of the review
-they wrote about the camera
Cons of the review
-to much complaining on the layout
-not understanding that it should be looked from a perspective of the P&S crowd not a DSLR user.
-obviously biased towards Canon and Nikon, but see Sony as a threat
-heres a quote from there site about the nosie tests from dpreview “The NEX produces results very that match the Canon very closely, showing similar amounts of noise and detail all across the ISO range (though with slightly lower chroma noise at the very highest settings). Although its images have slightly less noise than the smaller sensored Olympus, its images don’t appear to have much more detail – so although its performance is very good, it doesn’t stand out massively from its peers.”
Heres the link http://dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/page6.asp . Look how low the nosie is, especially when compared with Samsung’s Nx10. This is a bunch of bull, there using all the technical testing read outs that we can’t see against it, but what we actually see is most important, and it looks more than good.
Hmmmm doesn’t stand out form its peers lol! Its obviously miles away. Especially when compared to the
ect………..
The problem that bugs me the most about the review was that they were looking at the Nex 5 and 3 cameras from the perspective of a traditional DSLR user. What they don’t realize is that this camera is meant for point and shooter’s not DSLR or even Micro 4/3rds user base. So in other words it’s in a category of its own. Current M4/3 cameras do have a better user interface but there not as small as the Nex, compromise’s always have to be made when miniaturizing electronics, I don’t see why all the complaining on the interface. Isnt it better than a P&S in terms of controls and surpasses micro 4/3’s in image quality (maybe its because a little camera like this could beat canons 550d)? Again this is where the market is for, the point and shoot crowd.
Anyways good news in the japan camera sales. I dont have very much interest in the NEX but I am positive that these little cameras will get more customers in, and this will make sony more committed to making higher end small cameras as well as professional DSLR’s. Everyone wins. Cheers
This just shows how insignificant dpreview is 🙂
@JT
Dpreview did not give it a bad review… they pretty much NEX got the Best image quality for its size cameras and they praised it again and again plus if you see the lens sharpness they are really sharp etc
They only hated the control menu a lot which ruined the camera score
DPreview give a not so bad review. They dislike two or three things, the menus, the corner softness of the 16mm, and the metering system in full auto, which overexpose sometime. The NEX are a new concept, it’s a very small body, even smaller than lenses, with few button, like a compact. The menu works well for a p&s shooter, but for advanced user, it’s not so good. For example, to make backgroud blurrier, you don’t have to kwnow what aperture is, just use the “background defocus menu” and turn the whell toward blur of sharp. It’s like the e-pl1, a result oriented menus. You can control aperture yourself, but it’s more difficult than with a dslr. After all, for customer, only the result count, an out of focus background.
I would ignore reviews of Dpreview for Sony cameras in future. I knew they are biased towards Canikon but i got the proof now. May be they are not getting something from sony what they are having from Canikon. Well, i don’t care..my sony definitely produces better results than the rivals.
I see NEX like a very good product, and I don’t see DPreview review as a “bad” or “biased” one since it simply tells the true about the product : Settings are hard to find & change to people who like to do it.
At least, they are seing NEX like a DSLR, me too, and Sony say so too.
Having to use menus to change ISO, aperture and shutter settings don’t really bother me as a P&S user moving up. How lazy can these people be?? Have they not used a modern phone menu before??
Anyway, the NEX-5’s feature set sold it for me! I’ve got mine preordered for £679 with both kit lenses, case, body snout, 16GB Sandisk Extreme SDHC and a 7″ Sony Digital Frame! For £39 less I can get the Panasonic GF1 with 20mm lens. Bit of a no brainer! Especially if the ISO comparisons are to be believed! 😉
DPReview’s problem is that they have lost perspective. We can’t fault them for their bunker mentality when it comes to anything that isn’t Canon or Nikon. They’re biases are subtle but it’s not hard to find the same thing when reading other review sites that tend to rely on dollars from the companies for income.
You know that, guys, Sony always make two steps forward and three steps back. It will never make you your dream camera. Ever. That’s in their backmind. That’s an unwritten policy of all Japanese camera producers. Because they monopolized this market and all monopolies have one thing in common: they do not give you what you want. This is the business for this and next centuries and they will not give it to you for cheap
And Sonys, Canons, Nikons, Panases and Olys and all other Japanese companies know very very well what do you want ! You want
– the small body pocketable TOGETHER with the optics
– large optical zoom 20-200 ideally with F2-3 at open
– no noise till ISO 400-800 then noise reduction
– not large depth of focus
i am even not mentioning damn megapixels, 10-30 fps frame rate, video etc, low light performance. You will not get it folks. They will always hasrass you –OR– with soapboxes cr@p –OR– DSLR-like bricks till the end of the world.
The NEX concept is kind of success for asian users and mostly a failure for western ones which are scratching the head: “WTF? Asians got the substitution for DSLR bricks, but I do not have such a pocket where i can put this camera even with pankake lens”
True, based on DPreview or others, the NEX image quality (excluding the noise) is a bit worse then of all other peers. The camera overexposes and loses details. Look carefully again, the “soapy” sortness is not just in the corners but in the center too.
The HDR modes are great though.
Did dpreview mention somewhere that NEX have fast continue silent autofocus during filming? I can’t find it in their pro/cons. How many interchangeable lens camera has this, also the rolling shutter effect is less obvious on the NEX than on EP1 or 7D but I can’t find it either in their pro/cons
If they stated it somewhere in their review, please point it to me.
thanks.
NEX System is review looking down from DSLR stand point.
Having SLR without mirror in much smaller package.
But NEX is designed as P&S upgrade.
As having better IQ and Lens options in P&S package.
That difference is the actual problem.
As SLR user you don’t want that long menu scrolls, multiple button clicks to often used functions or buttons changing function between different shooting modes.
As that the review of DPR is absolutely understandable.
And (in my opinion) very neutral and not Cannon or Nikon biased as some DLSR reviews are.
Maybe NEX is seen as DSLR downgrade because m4/3s and NX clearly are.
add to my last post
Sony has a part on the relatively bad review on DPR.
And it’s not about DPR but about photographers grown to SLRs.
Sony just needed to offer a little more customization ability.
Make the two hard buttons bind able to dedicated function.
Add a fn menu with important photographers functions.
Or even better make a menu with 5-10 user set able functions out of all functions.
And put a dedicated button to this.
Many people testing the preview models said they would be a lot happier if they could bind ISO to the photo tip button.
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I also found dpreviews article to be quite fair. Nice picture quality, but some problems with handling. Their main problem was the lack of a function button.
To me this seems like it could be solved by substituting the “shooting tips” soft key, which seems to be available at all times, with a function key instead.
This could be solved by a software upgrade, giving the user to ability to choose. Knowing Sony, this will probably not happen.
Being a P&S person myself, I will probably pick one up, when I get the chance.
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