The Japanese Digital Camera Magazine forecast what could come by Sony in 2014. This time they match more or less what has been rumored here on SAR:
They write Sony 2014 will bring us:
– a total of ten FE lenses to be on market by end 2014
– A99 and A77 successor to come with increased Megapixel number.
– NEX-7 successor
From what I know there will be MUCH more than just this stuff in 2014!
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A-mount lens? 24-105mm F4, 400mm F4, what else?
no. only E-mount.
Hi Andrea – are you sure about the increased pixel count on the a77 replacement? From past rumours it sounded like they’d stick with 24mp… A 36mp a99 replacement would make a lot of sense, but anything over 24mp on apsc is getting silly…
People have been saying that since 6mpix dSLRs. There’s always somebody saying it, this time it’s you!
Sony’s 1″ sensor has 20MP. I think the resolution is outstanding. The ASPC equivalent must be close to 100MP
It is probably not a linear relationship, but I don’t think we have gotten to the point where there is no added benefit of additional MP. I shouldn’t even imply that such a point exists.
Nonsense
You suffer from pixelphobia!
As for an explaination…read the 1000 + comments Ive posted over the past couple of years in answer to other pixelphobics.
It’s not pixel phobia so much as concern about whether available lenses can deliver at that res. A number of lenses that were acceptably sharp on my a580 failed to deliver on my a77. If we’re looking at another 50% jump in density, expect a similar scenario.
Many lenses can outresolve the best sensor made by orders of magnitude and better ones are coming out every day..your concern is irational
Pixelphobia……..an irrational fear of pixels
This is a condition quite prevelent among sar readers.
Sony just realeased a 36 and 24 mp camera of similar quality.
The silent majority is overwelmingly purchasing more a7r cameras.
I should know better than to try and get into anything approaching a rational discussion with you… Bottom line the Minolta 75-300 “new”, Minolta 135/2.8, CZ16-80, Tamron 17-50 and 70-300 USD all performed noticeably worse on my a77. I know you’ve got your 54mp dream, but are you honestly saying you don’t think a high density sensor will demand more from lenses than a low density sensor?!
IRRATIONAL!!!!
No lens performs worse on a better sensor .
The lenses you give as examples are all very poor quality zoom lenses.
If you actually want a higher quality image use a better lens!
A camera system consits of both cameras and lenses.
If you choose to use the poorest quality lenses you can find than you are not having a rational discusion and have proven your point to be correct.
The A77 needs modern lenses in order to resolve the high resolution images. Preferably lenses that have been optimized for digital cameras or with normally with the eight contact points on the mount. I had older Minolta era glass that I sold off because of there inability to provide an acceptable level of detail.
What I did discover is with its most recent firmware v1.07 is that the A77 excels with the SAL1650, and inexpensive lenses like the SAL50F18, SAL35F18, SAL30M28, and SAL85F28.
I think that a APS-C sensor over 24mp would just a waste until the lenses
Andrew – your lenses couldn’t have performed better before getting the 24MP sensor, or am I missing someting? What happend is it became easier for you to spot their weaknesses at 1:1. Viewing 24mp images at 1:1 is very different form viewing 18MP images at 1:1. Printed at the same size, your 24MP images should actually make your lenses seem a little better IMHO. Right?
Exactly so – at 1:1 the a77 isn’t very forgiving, but does give good results on less high-end lenses down-sampled. My concern is that a 36mp apsc sensor will exacerbate the problem at 1:1. I know this makes me sound like a pixel peeper, but I print a lot of photos as 1m+ wall art.
Printing 1m x 1m at at 300 ppi (industry standard) requires about 150mp
Whether you acknowledge it or not you definitely can put more megapixelsto good use.
If you want higher quality images you need higher quality lenses than you are using.A higher quality camera will only improve your images not make it worse.
You dont however need to upgrade everytuhingat once..do what you can when you can.
Suggestion..carey 2 cameras and put a prime on one of them.
I don’t want to get too bogged down in the megapixel debate but I don’t get the opposition to more. Sure, it’s common knowledge more megapixels don’t necessarily mean better IQ but that’s a realization of the quality of the processor to adequately use every megapixel.
So my a65 has 24mp but falls a bit short, especially if you bump ISO above 800. The Sony processor in the a99 proved they could utilize all 24mp up to at least 1600 ISO. The excellent a7R proves Sony can process 36mp with high ISO.
APS-C bodies essentially crop the FF images mentioned above so they will benefit from improvements capturing increased resolution and, of course, magnify any problems. I’d argue the more megapixels the better – more so in APS-C than FF – as long as they’re useful. By useful I mean they can be processed for higher resolution and you’re getting visibly sharper images printed to, say, poster size. Beyond poster size I’m not sure an amateur like me really is interested in spending much on increased resolution.
I agree with someone else who estimated maybe 100mp for APS-C is a sweet spot. In any case, I’d say we have a ways to go.
I’m not convinced lens are failing at 24mp on APS-C cameras based upon my a65. I have some cheap ones and some fairly expensive ones. They all work and are sharp. Based upon my own experience and reading reviews like Kurt Munger’s I think there’s a lot of mythology over the quality of different price ranges of ‘glass’.
i am most interested in ultra wide zoom lens. maybe a macro lens as well
@Admin
This “news” are just filling the gaps, so how about some real informations/rumors?
Make us a x-mas present!
When are you releasing real informations about whats comming in January or are you keeping it for early/late January?
Need to know if there is anything comming above A7(r) until end of february.
My A99 is good for polarlights, but an A9(r) would be even better.
(On a A99 you cant put an Leica 21mm f/1.4 or a Voigtländer f/1.8 on it… )
Hi!
The last 5-6 weeks I had to recover form the busy rumor time from September and October. Did a lot to catch up with to do tasks in my real work, spent soem time with family and so on. Starting from early January I will work hard on rumors again!
P.S.: By the way, I posted rumors the past 5-6 weeks about NEX-7, A-mount cameras, lenses (read 24-105mm), 54MP sensor, Manual lens Zeiss and so on…
Thanks to you and your sources, for your work.
One question:
Is there anything available above the A7(r) until end of february?
(Its about saving money or not)
PS:
Captcha is annoying, if you return from “Invalid Captcha” your text is lost!
Answer is NO.
How dare you spend time with your family when there are trolls lurking waiting for you to fuel their anti-Sony anger!??
But seriously, the captchas suck… when you write a long rant and get the captcha wrong… rant gone 🙁
lessons learned – CTRL + C is your friend!
Copy before submit.
Get in the habit of doing a copy of you comment. I’ve been doing that since the problem where comments weren’t posting. 😀
Time to get some good intelligence on what ecactly that Zeiss FE wide zoom is going to be 😉
Great, I hope the new nex7 provide 4k video 🙂
I want an APS-C camera with full-pixel read out for video!
I want an APS-C camera that gives me consistent flash output. Sony don’t appear to be able to deliver one though and can’t fix the ones they have with firmware updates.
Im on the hunt for the A99 mk II. And i want a 24-105 f.4,0 to go with the camera
Interested in 36mp a77 replacement if not too expensive.
Im waiting for the 54mp non bayer so I dont want to spend much before then but an inexpensive high mp c would be a nice fill in the gap camera.
The new tamron 150-600 specs indicate it will be sharper with c then ff, and the tamron 60MM f2 macro i have is very sharp and just for c.
I hope this rumor is correct but am not too optimistic because I dint expect sony to make a really new bayer sensor and i dont expect new tech till 2015/2016
I believe I read somewhere you mentioning you shoot with the Bigma 50-500mm. I use for the long stuff a Tokina 300mm ATX F4 and the minolta 500mm reflex. The reflex is limited in use and it lacks in contrast. I’d ditch it, but I’ve read the Bigma isn’t that sharp from 300-500mm. Disagree? I need something sharper and a bit faster that doesn’t kill the bank.
The lens is reasonable but not even close to prime quality.
It is light and inexpenive for what it is and the new one..i have the older one…focuses close..1/3..
Based on preliminary specifications the new tamron 150-600 seems like it will be a better value..
Sharper at the 600 end..
Same size,wieght,filter thread, and priced at $1060. Us.
Note from the specs that resolution seems phenomenal in the center and for most of the c size image area..on ff there will be some reduction of sharpness at the edges.
My choice would be the tamron 600 and if a 36mp c comes out put it on that.
Tom
You might also check out the dotline DL-V9 for about $150 this device is excellent for handholding a camera/lens of this size and will work almost as well as a tripod..especially if you lean your back against a solid object like a tree.
I’ll definetly check that out as I haven’t heard of it before. Thanks.
Tell us what you think of it
You might want to consider the Tamron 200-500mm. I own both it and the Minolta 500 AF Reflex. Unfortunately, my Minolta 500mm needs repair so I replaced it with the Tamron. The Tamron is at least as sharp as the Minolta and offers more contrast. Unfortunately, you don’t get the Minolta colors which are wonderful with the 500mm Reflex.
At first, I regretted I didn’t wait for the Tamron 150-600mm but the weight of the Tamron 200-500mm is enough for me. I can handhold it for about 2 hours. Obviously, you get more flexibility with a zoom than a prime. It’s lighter than either Sigma zoom in this range.
I’ve posted some samples on Dyuxm using an a65 body: http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/tamron-sp-af-200500mm-f563-di-ld-if_topic12202_page3.html.
Animalsbybarry sorry but you need a reality check. Only someone completely divorced from the real word could describe the CZ16-80 or the Tamron 70-300uSD as really poor quality zoom lens.
Heres your reality check
If you want the shapest lenses you use a prime not a zoom.
The more a lens has to to the more compromises have to be made.
A 16-80 has to ho from wa-telephoto….two very differrent ranges with very differrent abberations to cmpensate for.
The 70-300 I actually have and wile it is better at the 300 end than others in its class it does not compare to a prome.
I use a 60,90,and 180macro to cover that range and a 70- 300macro when I need the reach but am willing to accept the lesser quality.
Although my 180 macro is excellent and far exceeds the zooms I can see a noticeable differrence in quality from the sharper 60 and 90.
The statement I was responding to that lense perform worse on better sensors was simply not worthycof a more detailed response than I gave.
release so many cameras……..but lens??
There are 6 FE lenses alone in that rumor lineup.
There has been 1 a mount camera released in well over a year, and it was entry-level. I think a couple of new bodies would be welcome. Not to say that they shouldn’t continue filling out lens lineups, nor should they quit sending out firmware updates…
When will they relase that new A mount kameras?
I should have a new one because my A77 is damaged. And I am not shure if i like the A7r because there is no image stabilization in the body and they have no movable display like the A77 or A99. So i want to wait for the successor of the A77 or the A99.
Will there be a amount camera with the same sensor like the a7r?
Probably early in 2014 i would guess.
What about video cameras? Any rumours of successors to the FS100/700 or EA50???
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Do you think Sony will do same with the 54mp CMOS as they did with the 36mp CMOS?
I’m starting to think I might be sitting this one out next year. With the newer organic non bayer style sensors on the horizon I’m tempted to just wait. I”m not that interested in a warmed over A77 or A99. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’ll be great. However, I’m not interested in 36MP yet and I’d like a real jump in DR. Looks like I’ll be saving the big bucks for when Sony really drops the hammer.
Different things bother different people–for me, the SLT needs to be flippable, and DR is also a serious issue. I would be tempted to sit this out, too, if the future promised greatly improved DR and eliminated the SLT–IF.
SLT flippable- much agreed:)
Am I the only one waiting/hoping to see an updated RX1-MkII?
not sure how the A99 successor could come that early, the life cycle of the flagship is usually 3 years….
It is rumored to be more of an update to a99 II than an a true successor ( a99 with 36mp sensor ) paving the way for a budget-friendly a88 with the a99’s ff sensor.
Looking forward to the a-77 successor!
Even though I have a FF, I’m looking forward to the A77 successor as well. It was my first upgrade from the A100 and really made things click for me. I still think it’s an excellent camera especially with the 16-50mm. Any improvements can only take a good formula and really make it shine.
I have a 99 and a fs100. I want a combo of the two. I love the a99, but it needs to get better high ISO NR. Past 1000 your starting to get noise and that just shouldn’t be. I LOVE the fs100 but it doesn’t have stabilization and is a little tough for run and gun (weddings). I need my updated FS100 inserted into a a99 body and I will rejoice to the Sony heavens!
Am I the only one who would like to see some mid range lenses being introduced for A mount? If sigma can keep making excellent performing lenses for reasonable money then I would think sony could. Not everyone has to have a blue dot, nor does everyone need waterproof lenses made to survive a atomic blast. 🙂
Then why not buy Sigma?
I think the NEX-7r rumor turned out to be the a7r. The delivery by Sony was just totally wrong. My guess is NEX-7r is never coming. The interest for the NEX-7 successor has come and went, and the a7r was the nail in the coffin. Sony should focus on getting the a7 and a7r in more people’s hands by getting costs down. NEX-7r is just pointless now.
Dear SIGMA and TAMRON:
Sony makes some nice camera bodies. They prefer making new bodies to better lenses – so you are really important to me. You have really nice lenses.
You also have REALLY REALLY nice optical stabilization technology. Stop being dicks, and give Sony people stabilized lenses. Sensor stabilization is not good enough. We promise if anyone is too dumb to turn in-body stabilization off – we will take their cameras away.
I would like to buy your superior lenses to mount to Sony cameras, but please come through like champs and put your stabilization in them like you do for the other kids.
Love
-Me
+ 1 but make the letter to Tamron.
Sigma already provides stabilization for Sony mount.
I recently had an extended exchange with a US national Sigma rep. They said so many Sony users actually wrote to complain about their stabilized lenses (the idiots kept in body and lens OSS on at same time) that they decided to remove the feature moving forward for now.
P.S. They are very nice people there.
Tamron said something similar..that they would not trust users to turn it off..
They also said somethingcelse i did not understand about using a different propretary system than sigma uses therefore the system cannot be used on Sony.
It is an assumption to think that the succesor of the A77 wil be an APS-C.
I think and hope the new A77 will be the entry level (FF) and the new A99 will be (stays) the flagship FF with hopefully 4K video
Since a77 is c and sony will make new c cameras it is only logical to assume the a77 replacement will be c.
mehh, high mega pixel again??
24mp and 36mp is enough for full frame
Another PIXEL-PHOBIC emerges.
Its not enough for full frame…its only enough for you.
Sony did an objective test 2 identical cameras with 24 and 36 mp sensors.
The 36mp a7r overwelmingly outsells the a7
Those who actually buy new cameras overwelmingly want more megapixels. Always have…always will!
The issue I have is that the A77 – which I own an like – is really awful with lower-light shooting.
They really seem to have hit a wall with balancing resolution and image quality at higher ISOs.
I am not a pixel-phobic… but if things got any worse than the A77, it’s a bad situation.
Agreed. The ISO on the A77 is a bag of hot garbage. At 1600 BIF’s look like dinkle berries from a cow’s ass. If they fix this I’m in business.
Definitely agree, for video above 800 sucks, noise city. Unfortunately the a99 isn’t tooooo much better. 1250 is Max! (again for video). Like I said, they need FS100 type of low light NR in a a99 form. I’ll do backflips
Newer generation sensors are generally inprovements over older even with higher resolution.
The a7r is just as good in every aspect pixel for pixel as the a7 of much fewer pixels.
Also very important to bear in mind that with a stacked sensor the whole ballgame changes.
Bayer combines 4 monochrome adjacent pixels into one interpolated full colr pixel so produces a 6 mp image from 24 mp.
To increas the resolution the process is repeated from 4 different combinations of pixels to make an image of 24 mp all interpolated..this process is called demosaicing.
In the same size array a stacked sensor can fit 3 layers of pixels so the same 24mp configuration could produce 3 layers of 24 mp or 75 mp.
The file size would be 24 mp but because they are real pixels…not interpolated…they can now be interpolated to 96 mp wih the better quality than the 24 mp bayer file on a pixe by pixel comparison.
Using a differrend scaling technique and unsharp masking it can be scaled up 3x to 216mp and still have reasonable qualty.
Thi would use the exact same photosites of the same size as the 24mp bayer and not put any additional burden on the lens.
Your false assumption about pixels is that more pixels mean lower guality..
You fail to realize that as pixel density increases so does the technology to make better pixels.
There are other intermeadiate tech advanses such as backlit technology that can also greatly increase pixel density without loss of quality.
So you are indeed locked into this archaic view that more pixels mean lower quality and the irrational fear that when the quality increases the sky will fall because you may want to upgrade the rest of your system too.
Now that Ive dbuncked all your concerns about more more pixels Im sure any competent pixel-phobic will imeadly come up with a whole list of new reasons pixels are bad…..bad little pixels……..yuck………step on them……
One more note
I suspect the rumer about a 36 mp c sensor will prove to be false.
New technolgy sensors are in development and currentl suggested to be released late 2015 or early 2016.
This makes it unlikely Sony will spend the money to develope a completelynew bayer sensor ever again.
Instead I expect lots of differrent camera desighns so consumers can decide what features they like and sony can have a better camera ready to put the new sensor in.
Sensor improvements will be relatizely minor..or comfined to those improvements that can be caried over to the new technology sensors.
While the NEX-7 successor is interesting, I’d like to eventually get clarity on what other FE will come in 2014. Hopefully a wide zoom, 85mm portrait, and one great 21-28mm prime.
I would hope they both have 4k video
4K as in 4 kidding? Seriously, I’ve been reading to much about the lack of value 4K offers. Does not the law of diminishing returns apply here?
You argue against more mps that because you dint need them to view on your low resolution tv screen
Now you argue against a higher resolution tv screen
PIXELPHOBIA——-AN IRRATIONAL FEAR OF PIXELS
Right now, 4K no… overated. But we need some future proofing, it won’t be long 4K is the new 1080p
I would take an improved video IQ over 4K
Your statement has brought out the video pixel-phobics
I dont have the energy to counter thier arguments again so just read my responses to the still camera pixel-Phobics and interpolate them.
Would they be coming out lenses for Emount APS-C user? Did they drop the touit 50mm Zeiss macro planar? Hoped sony could look into a 100mm macro.