The NEX-FF is quite a secret Sony project but the we already know that there will be two cameras and two Zeiss prime lenses. Launch is expected in late September or early October. Availability before Christmas. Today also our friend David Kilpatrick got a confirmation from his sources that:
there’s an RX1 with interchangeable lenses, just what we asked for when the camera was first seen at photokina
And he also writes:
The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t fit the new mini-Leica-style body. But it may also contain a focal plane shutter, as there is such a high potential demand to retrofit [shoplink 19605 ebay]Leica M[/shoplink] and other vintage lenses to a full frame body of this size.
David also speculates about some lenses (like the 35mm f/2.0) but he evidently didn’t read the latest leaks here on SAR. The lens is actually a Zeiss 35mm f/2.8. So take his “speculations” with a grain of salt. And the camera is a NEX and will not feature an RX name. What’s correct is the basic rumor he got from his source. A compact E-mount FF camera is coming in October. Yes, that’s correct.
The current SR5 NEX-FF rumors can be read on that article on SAR.
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I think the inaccuracy of David’s statement is the fact he’s got the info 2nd or third hand.
Yeah man, once we have our own blog (let us name it Hendrick and Hendrick, OK? 😉 ), we will put out the real stuff out there. Ha, ha,ha.
Don’t forget me you guys
It’s far more likely that his report is more accurate than anything published here.
An interchangeable RX camera with a small range of lenses is possible unlike the FF-NEX.
FE-ZA lenses would also make sense as a designation if they were designed for a shorter back focus than A-mount but had a modified A-mount bayonet.
How is one more possible than the other?
There are lots of reasons why a FF NEX is unlikely: size of lenses, poor performance with the aps-c-optimised mount, expense of designing a Leica-like sensor. There’s only one reason to do it – market.
Unfortunately the market for this camera could vanish overnight when they actually realise what a compromise device it would be – bigger than E-mount lenses on the front, high cost and a beautifully big FF frame sensor showing up all the inadequacies of a sensor being forced to behave as if it was a strip of film.
The sensible option is to produce a boutique product – ie a stand alone camera with a small selection of custom lenses. The very fact that Sony has designed lens after E-mount lens that will not image a FF circle suggests they have no intention of using E-mount for FF.
A FF NEX is as possible as an RX with interchangeable lenses.
The mount has little to do with it because VG900 shows that it doesnt matter.
The essence of the design remains the same: a FF interchangeable lens camera. Whether it will sport the NEX mount or a new mount, it doesnt matter. Flange distange can be corrected easily with an adapter, if required, or a hybrid mount also makes it possible to carry two E mount lens versions.
I guess you forgot that a full frame NEX has been used by many people using full frame lenses without any issues.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8198535296_efb2fcfe6f_o.jpg
So this would be a 4th mount for Sony!
The A, with a not so great future
The E, which was supposed to be the future, open to all to adopt.
A new E, with some 90’s (as in 1890) technology http://www.kl-riess.dk/compur.eng.html
And the FZ, used on its pro film-like video camera where PL is also available OEM.
And I’m not counting the broadcast cameras (2), nor the specialty cameras.
Look like we’re back to swinging 80’s (1980) when Sony was trying to confuse its pro video users into a state of frenzy. With Beta SP, Standard and SP UMatic, Hi8 and C format vcr and tape recorders! All better than the others! Depending on how much you had to spend of course.
I had forgotten this:
http://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/service/mcs/index.html
Any info on A7 / A7000 IBIS?
Great to hear that the FF body will be as small as the RX1. Sony knows what actual paying customers (not fanboys) want.
+1
especially with the M getting bigger & bigger since 3 generations !
with such FF, sony would not only catch up with canikon
sony would left them behind
+1 for understanding the “size” factor
+1 Sony have an absolute advantage over Leica if they can make their camera smaller than the M240.
The same size – it might also mean no integrated EVF 🙁
Jepp. Dealbreaker for me.
You should be happy. They give you an excuse for not buying a camera that you would not buy anyway.
It also doesnt have a microwave. Disappointing. I was hoping for an easy way to cook my food while I take pictures.
Actually the most requested accessory by pro user would be a fridge.
To keep your Leica 35mm fresh
maybe if they took out that damn built flash from the RX1 they can make some (probably not enough) room for an EVF! 😀
I don’t mind if it’s not so mini.
NEX FF Body, without lens same as RX1 with fast lens? Doesn’t sound too good for me.
I was hoping that NEX FF + 35/2.8 = same size as RX1 (35/2)
@Admin:
Any truth about the current E-Mount lenses not working on the FF-NEX ?
That would really be a shame and make me drop my NEX stuff and go for a Oly E-M1 until the second or third iteration comes out and makes it all affordable and one can see if the Sony NEX system is the one to go for.
Lens interoperability would be the main reason for me to stick to the NEX system, even if it is not exactly 100% what I am currently looking for.
Let’s see what Sept/Oct brings us.
Sony will earn more $$$ by offering an adapter for current Nex user
E-mount users having the same concerns than A-mount users ?
From what I know this isn’t true. I now have one source that is testing the cameras. I sent him the link to the article and he will get back to me soon.
Or it might work like VG style one, when it detects the APS-C designated lenses, it will automatically do a crop picture taking mode…
I just naturally assume this would be the case.
that is what I heard…
Well, of course it will be like that. 🙂 Sony’s full-frame A-mount bodies work the same.
If Kilpatrick is right the camera itself will not have any shutter mechanism. There would be a leaf shutter in the lens for near silent operation and higher flash sync speed. It would also make the camera body smaller and lighter. But even if it does mount regular E mount lenses there would be no shutter.
This would also force buyers of the camera to buy the 2 expensive lenses for it instead of using legacy lenses. A simple adapter cannot correct for a missing shutter. Good for Sony, bad for people expecting a digital back for their Leica lens collection.
Unless the global electronic shutter has been developed to be a fully implementable technology now.
>will not have any shutter mechanism.
Extremely unlikely. Even NEX videocameras have focal plane shutters.
It would be a shame and very confusing, if E-mount lenses would not fit a (modified) E-mount on a camera. A third mount, which this actually would be, would not be good. However, not all functions working with all lenses is what we have already today (AF for example).
I think people don’t like to use adapters, at least not contantly. For me this might be a reason to wait for the new A-Mount FFs (rather than getting a NEX-FF or any E-Mount system).
Only people with old Minolta lenses are waiting for a full frame A mount like the A99. Only the E mount works today with most of the 200 million SLR/DSLR full frame lenses out there in both APS-C and full frame mode but it looks like many people on the camera forums have no clue about this after seeing their posts.
Andrea, any news if this FF NEX (the traditional design) will have IBIS?
Ok, will ask that too. As I said I now have a source testing the camera. But he siad he can’t give anway specs for now because he is one of the few testing it.
great, thanks. you’re the best !
Ok! Let’s see what you can do 🙂
Thanks for your efforts!!
Just try to don’t overdo yourself. We’d like you to be alive to use those new cameras as well!
wow awesome!!!
Any news on the Nex-7 refresh?
No. It looks liek NEX7 refresh and A-mount will come 2-3 months after NEX-FF launch. Everythign got delayed in favour of the NEX-FF.
I am in favour of that decision. 🙂 Even if it will probably be crazy expensive (though justifiably so), just get it out there asap. Go Sony, Go ! 😀
That sort of makes me think digital shutter….
A forth kind of lens would be getting pretty silly; A, E, E FF, E FF with internal shutter….
not stupid to get more press before christmas !
already waiting for FF E (FE?) versus M-mount versus FF A field tests…
Andrea , are you talking about both RX interchangeable and NEX FF?
By the way is the RX interchangeable FF as well.
And are there any specs on the RX?
And when does the RX come for sale?
Considering right price/spes i would buy it now.
Keep up the good work , it is for sure exciting times
RX1 style body, with 35mm, 75mm and 21 or 18mm super wide is exactly what I am waiting for, would give up pretty much any system for that :))
Andrea! great job, thanks for all the exciting news you bring to us!
Mike Kobal himself? Welcome 🙂
morning Hex, yeah, now I am reading SAR before I read the NYT 😉
Hi Mike,
I just wonder. Reading your blog I got the impression you were more keen on the X100s than on the RX1 when comparing and on the individual reviews. has anything changed your experience on the cameras compared to what you posted?
Best,
Jessie
Mike , I thought you are using Ricoh GR for 21mm wide, 28mm and 35mm? 🙂
Hi Jessie,
af focus speed was the big fail on the RX1, esp for the type of shooting I would do with the camera, I missed shots I didn’t miss with the X100s, my only reason to go with the Fuji. Of course I would have preferred the fantastic ff sensor. So, let’s hope Sony gets it right this time!
Hi Radissimo,
so true! I love the GR, the snap mode for street shooting beats them all and the 21mm attachment is truly stunning. Kind of having a pocketable D800e – I also love the sensor characteristics on the GR, it is very easy to match to the D800E output
Now if Sony would bring out an RX10 with the GR sensor, that would totally rock,
the only thing I don’t like about the GR is the video mode, which Sony sure knows how to do right…..exciting times
+1 same for me!
I will sell my Canon 6D and limited lens collection to move the FF NEX with one caveat . . . AF speed has to be better than the RX1 I used for 2 months (e.g., I mean, the speed it locks focus initially, particularly in lower light). Much better. Once Sony gets AF working well then I am on board and just need a 35 and portrait lens (and macro eventually) to meet my needs.
+100, I think I will sell all my cameras if NEX FF as described comes before this Christmas.
I want to actually get it before my birthday.
I love the idea of having it in RX format! But if you can’t use Leica lenses then I would rather upgrade my M9 to a new M then to buy the FF Nex as a second system….
Do you think it will be possible to adapt Leica M Lenses on the NEX FF?
#Instabuyifyes
I agree, but I also hope Sony put out some great lenses that rival Leica for less $$$
Not sure about Sony themselves, but both Zeiss and Sigma can produce lenses in the same league as Leica nowadays.
Sure.. interesting…. :–) so, you never tried a leica lens
you can use your M lneses for sure, but Sony does not make any money if people use only adapted M primes.
that means probably no more NEX FF follow up coming.
I think Leaf shutter lenses are better suited for this type of cameras.
yes
Awesome!
Do you think also EF-S lenses like the Canon EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM with normal speed and no problems?
EF-s is crop! No advantage for FF sensor.
If it contains PDAF, let’s hope it does better than the OM D-E-M1 as previewed on DPReview.
This is what worries me about Sony’s mirrorless strategy, AF is clearly not up to the job. If you are shooting fairly slow moving subjects then good for you, but it looks like I’ll be sticking to my SLT for a long time to come.
Perhaps PDAF with Z-shift will be faster
It’s more likely that faster AF will come from using faster processing chips and better algorithms.
My guess would be:
Cheaper NEX FF and more expensive modular RX FF. the latter would take accessory viewfinders and RX lenses would come with leaf shutters – something like Zeiss lenses for Hasselblad, C series lenses.
If I remember correctly the should be 2 mirrorless FF bodies which don’t have SLR shape.
If Sony and Zeiss could produce system like this with 3 fast primes 27-50-90 available at launch then they would attract a lot of photographers – I would definitely replace my Fuji X-Pro1 with it (providing it would be a photographer’s tool and not too much menu driven product)
The menu is probably same with one in current RX-1.
Damn, and I was planning to invest to digital back for my Hassy (used one of course) – might wait a bit because this system could replace both Fuji X and Leica M6 and for film I’d stick with MF and Hasselblad.
I miss my 645l. I had to sell it to fund a new computer and go digital many years ago. If you can afford to keep it, do it. It was such a nice experience shooting with medium format film and the very limiting frame allowance.
If you remember I saved some money and was considering buying RX1R – well, in the end I spent most of that budget on Hassy 501C, new split prism focusing screen, 45degree viewfinder and in 80 and 150 lenses. The. Followed copy stand and equipment to get me going with home film developing. It’s fun and I ‘scan’ with X-Pro1 + Nikon 60 AF-D makro lens, all attached to copy stand and each 6×6 frame is scanned 6 times and then stitched so I end up with 60mp scans and can’t believe how much one can get out of 6×6 negative.
I missed that/those post/s about you buying the 501. At uni we had a couple of 500cm for learning. As you can imagine, they took a real beating from students but the most common issues they had were the mirror jam and film wrinkling from careless students loading the magazines.
The only thing I keep from my film years is a Nikon 9000 which I used to scan. I still have negatives from my archive so I keep it to scan other material I may want to unearth. I have been thinking about the macro+stitching technique but since I sold my 5D2 and 50makro ZE I don’t have anything to try it with. Are you happy how it works? any issues with distortion or edge/corner softness? I ask because I am still fiddling with the idea of selling the scanner and get something like the classic 5D+Zeiss macro.
So far very happy. The main problem is to have everything parallel, that’s why I decided to get a copy stand. Another problem is to keep film as flat as possible, I’m going to experiment with glass, both normal and anti Newton ones. At these resolutions I can clearly see where my focusing was sloppy and where I need to improve. Corner to corner sharpness is great if film is flat (currently I’m using 6×6 mask from enlarger with paper weights – but will use glass only when u receive it). I heard a lot of stories of jammed shutters – point to remember is to always cock it after each frame. I was lucky with mine as its 1993 model, boxed and doesn’t look like it’s been used much, probably previous owner was somebody rich and haven’t used it much.
I will not bore you with my Hassy and other dead system experience from decades ago.
RX-1 Rulz! Get one and forget about all that clunky old stuff! 🙂
Man, it’s really tempting. I swear. I forgot completely about the film flatness issue. I would love to know if normal glass cuts it for your method. I tried with the coolscan before and it wasn’t a happy marriage. Retouching it out is too much work as well and the film grain didn’t help to make that a smooth process either.
Please, do let me know how you get along. I first got to know about this method in Petapixel. I thought it was interesting and the first thing I imagined was the the dynamic range of a modern DSLR would be greater than the 3 ccd scanner. If it really works, I’ll take your experience as a reliable field report and make the jump.
I may go for the D7200, though, for the 24mp.
Are you using the lens hood as a cup to align the lens to the table?
@ Hendrick – nope, I bought my macro lens from ebay, came without a good so I’m using spirit level to make sure everything is in parallel. Petapixel’s article was also the source for this venture. I guess you might get better results form a drum scanner but these services are quite expensive here in the UK.
That’s funny, I have two Hasselblad Vs, an 80mm and 150mm, and a 45 degree and waistlevel finder…and they’ve been sitting in the closet forever in favor of my RX1. Go figure.
RX1 is brilliant camera, well built but won’t give me 50mm and 85mm field of view nor will give you DoF control of MF.
FF NEX and RX-1 with interchangeables lenses make little (if any !) sense at all. It’d basically be the same camera !?
I don’t believe the RX part of the rumor. Then again, maybe I’m missing something essential ?
I imagine they could keep the NEX styling for one and go somewhat different with the other – leaf shutters, aperture on lens, etc. But the lineup is getting messy already and they really would be all over the place.
Yeah, all of this is really confusing right now, especially when you think they might also chose to go the ILC (DSLR shape- for one of those FF cams ?? Pfft, thanks Lord my 7 still takes fantastic pictures 😉
Yep, I am also a happy owner of a NEX-7 (though that new E-M1 looks attractive) and I am not so sure if I would want to go back to aperture ring on the lens.
Sorry but what part of interchangeables lenses don’t you understand ? :/
The choice would be leaf-shutter (RX) and focal-plane-shutter (Nex). Leaf shutter is attractive for high flash sync speeds (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71951.0), is almost silent, but will be more expensive than Nex and only for RX-lenses, so the RX system would be closed for 3rd-party-lenses. Leaf-shutters have slower max shutter speed at wide apertures than focal plane shutters, see Fuji x100. If there comes a RX-system with a viewfinder and e.g. 35mm and 75mm lenses, this setup would be very attractive for fashion or portraiture. The two systems would complement each other, and if the RX leaf shutter could reach high shutter speeds at wide apertures, then the RX system would even be ahead of a focal plane shutter system.
Such a system would be a dream, I am just confused as to where Sony will get the resources. Not to mention, the lineup starts to look like a patchwork.
The RX Cybershot department rivals the Alpha (Minolta) department, although the customers sees Sony as one brand. And it really looks like a mess from a marketing view. Maybe – that’s how I see it. Advantage for customers is, that we do not have to wait for Canikon to push the evolution (won’t come anyways), but that Sony is doing it internally for its own advantage as a whole.
Agreed, the RX cameras are really impressive, they were certainly designed by someone who has a clue. And, yes, thankfully, Sony is pushing forward and I can only enjoy this as a user, but business-wise they are taking quite a few risks.
I think all the needed R&D has already been done, as we see it on RX-1. All they need to do is make the lens interchangeable. Other things like EVF and battery are already there.
You’ll need to have leaf shutter lenses, a new body, etc. All of these things cost, it is not only R&D. Simply, too many products. They currently have FF and APS-C alpha, RX compacts line, compact cameras, NEX APS-C (for which they introduced a second for factor), soon NEX FF and now this? It is certainly not impossible, but it looks like too much of a stretch.
If the RX lenses were NEX mount with a couple of extra contacts they could also be used on future NEX bodies with the extra contacts. If the leaf shutter is open by default they could also be used on current NEX bodies but the leaf shutter would not be available.
This would agree with what Kilpatrick said about the RX lenses working on NEX bodies but not the other way around.
+ 1
like a phase one with schneider kreuznach LS lenses or Leica S2 with LS lenses
wow!
And please Sony, give it proper manual controls – aperture ring on the lens, dedicated shutter and exposure compensation dials.
That’d be really awesome. Rest can be menu driven. As a matter of fact I don’t even care about NEX ‘bad’ menues because I rarely need to change anything but those basic parameters.
Maybe make it possible to toggle the exposure dial for direct ISO.
Yep, I’m a bit old school that’s why I chose X-Pro1 over NEX-7, I want to see what my settings are without turning camera on. The exposure compensation dial to control ISO sounds like a great idea.
+10
buy a fuji, many of us like the tri-navi
Amen to that !! The TriNavi itself is why I haven’t migrated anywhere left. It’s just brilliant.
Yeah like i said yeasterday in the “The current SR5 NEX-FF rumors” article, it would be nice to get RX1 sensor in an upgraded Nex-7 body :p for the low cost nex FF :D…and the RX1-R sensor in the high-end NEX-FF.
That would be a great reward for making us wait so much time ( time is money :p )…
Lol, Sony is a mess and if this is true, this camera is just going to confuse people when it comes to their products.
It isn’t bad per se; let’s hope Sony themselves manage producing and mantaining such mess with good quality at reasonable price.
I think the speculation about the 35/2.0 may not just be a result of not reading SAR (I am quite sure that David K. also reads SAR). In fact such a lens could happen as well and already be part of the prototype testing. The design is available from the RX1 and with a modified E-Mount it should be possible to make it also replaceable.
Nevertheless the lack of an EVF would be a big disadvantage for a FF system camera in that range so I do not think that something like a RX1 just with (modified) E-Mount will be good seller. It is propably a misinterpretation of information David K. received second or third hand.
The RX1 lens design is in no way applicable to the NEX mount, or any ILC mount for that matter. It’s designed to be fixed from the ground up.
I was talking about a modified E-mount.
Which would fall into the category I mentioned: any ILC mount.
If they make an RX1 style camera with interchangeable lenses, they could remove the flash and add an EVF.
A built in wireless flash trigger would be nice.
Hi Andrea,
Will the NEX-FF be RX1-styled with optional EVF or NEX-6/7 styled with built in EVF?
Would love the NEX-7 form factor more though. Could you ask your sources about this?
no possibility to mount my nex lens?????? ahaha BIG FAIL!!!!
Your nex lenses wouldn’t be compatible anyway because they’re APS-C only
At the price Sony will charge for something like this, anybody who can afford one is not going to want to mount any of the existing NEX lenses on it.
David seems like a nice guy but his predictions have rarely stood the test of time.
I have little doubt that there will be a FF NEX camera, but I doubt it will be RX1 style (rather NEX 7…) and I also doubt there will be a leaf shutter.
Agreed. It doesn’t make much sense.
David K was one of the first if not the first to establish that full frame would fit the nex mount
For the record, Sony (Toru Katsumoto) had confirmed it would, long before David mentioned that August last year.
David was also the person that said that image stabilization could not work with a FF A mount camera as it would cause shading for the mount being too small. Proven false.
He repeated that theory with the E mount more recently.
Wow, so there will be two lines of compact interchangeable FF, NEX and RX? That kinda make sense.
RX
-premium product
-modified E mount with different pinout
-in lens leaf shutter
-physical aperture ring on lens
-no IBIS
-ZEISS only lenses – probably all primes
-body similar to current RX design(same battery,clip-on EVF etc)
NEX
-semi premium
-E mount
-IBIS – maybe
Rx = cybershot = non-ilc
Well, not necessarily will be named RX, just the concept of taking RX body and make it interchangeable.
So…NEX
I agree with Cox. Sony’s mirrorless autofocus has been a weak link. It is average at best. That and the menu system drove me crazy. I thought I read of some kind of agreement between Olympus and Sony. I really hope a couple things that they got was Olympus’ autofocus capabilities and their IBIS. Because if they did and put this in the ff Nex, then count me in. Sony also has been a bit cheap on processing capabilities, even on the 99. They need to step it up a bit. This new Olympus looks nice except it is hard for me to consider a 4/3 camera but if Sony missteps here I may consider it. I just cannot believe how secret this thing is. Is there any early comments from your SAR sources about the autofocus abilities? Thanks for all you hard work and info. I visit this site continously through the day, waiting for the big leaks.
Original E-mount is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!
NOTE: I am being facetious. I wouldn’t be a dick and spout that ad nauseum to feel important.
+1 I laughed!
Cute, I like it! I was hoping someone would be baited into this again. Yep, Dan is back with A-mount is dead, dead, dead. Just so I can ad new material, back from mid July to late August, the rumors posted here (please look back) reported the imminent release of A-mount mirrorless cameras in DSLR form factor, although I kept reporting that these would be E-mount. Well, now we have one of three (oops) cameras out that will soon replace the A-mount variants. Those that said it would not happen are now arguing that it will only happen to entry level cameras, RIGHT, haha! Let’s see what those folks says six months from now. I’m sure they will say they knew it all along, and it was obvious that Sony had to transitiion to keep pace with innovation. A-mount is dead, dead, dead. It not a bad thing, it’s just the circle of technological life. Please, please, don’t take it personal, at the end of the day, we are just taking pictures, and its all good. RIght?
Dan
I looked and those rumors said A mount bodies in 2014. Readjust your calendar. It’s september 2013.
You’re also assuming these cameras are mutually exclusive, another to your long list of fallacies.
Queen Zohee35, you may be right, but I was hoping for someone new to take the bait, not the same fish. Anyway, review the July 8, July 14, July 24 & 25, August 5 & August 18, 2013. And yes, I’m saying they are mutually exclusive. To be clear, so there is no misunderstanding, I’m reporting that the A3000 replaces the A3x series and the follow up A7000 and A5000 will replace their respective Axx series. That is what I am reporting, that A-mount is dead, dead, dead.
Dan
Since I already have a full frame NEX (VG900) I will wait for a NEX with 4K.
This is starting to sound like a “Block Concept” camera where the body of the camera has a universal hole in it where an adapter must be used for ANY lens. Sony could introduce the camera with Nex and/or Alpha options initially. Sony and others could offer adapters for third party lenses.
Personally, I think this would be a very sound approach and hope this is the way they are going. The adapter need not be a kludge and could slip unobtrusively within the body.
Andrea, any news on a firmware update for the A77?
Yesterday I had the opportunity to get a A3000 in my hands for 10 minutes. Nearly same size and feels a little bit heavier than a Nikon D3200. The EVF is better than expected (and IMHO better than the OVF of a D3200 or a Rebel) but far away from what I’m used to (A65, A99 and D3s). The LCD and the menu are …
But the biggest problem I see with this camera is the price: the shop I was charges 399,- € for both the A3000 and the D3200 (with the kit zooms) and only 349,- € for the older D3100.
And in this market segment people don’t buy with their needs and requirements in mind but by price and “image” – and with a CaNikon they feel like a “pro” (have seen this behaviour much too often especially when such people look at my Alphas…)
Sony MUST invest a lot in a good marketing…
I would imagine a lot of that has to do with Sony’s bad Euro pricing. In the US, the camera is only $399 US, so it is a much better deal.
It would be sad to see a Cybershot ILC with the E-mount (modified or otherwise) Andrea, this will be out of Alpha division. Nuff said. Also, like before, someone is feeding you bad release dates, again.
Dan
I find it very strange Sony developing another mount when there’s already a struggle between the current two ( A and E ). IMHO perhaps David could be right this time and the so-called NEX FF will actually be an ILC RX FF, with an improved E-mount! I’d only add that this “new” E-mount could be totally compatible with current E lenses ( why not? ) and then be the mount for the new NEX cameras!
Just another rumor…!
More likely it’s an improved E mount backwards compatible…
Remember that Nikon did this more one time in the past with the F mount, Canon added features to the FL mount (TTL with open aperture) and renamed it “FD” but it was compatible. And later even Sony/Minolta added contacts to the A mount for SSM/SAM lenses…
With serial data transfer, we don’t need that many contacts actually. That arrangement was a legacy of the early camera system. Adding 1 or 2 contact is enough to cover many things. Hack, with advancement we have now, it is possible to make contactless lens-use NFC or something to communicate to the lens.
We’ve already seen the FE 35/2.8 and there’s no aperture ring. It appears to be compatible with the NEX APS-c bodies (since its FOV is listed for both formats) so I also doubt there’s a leaf shutter.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-full-frame-zeiss-35mm-f2-8-e-mount-lens-listed-on-sony-germany/
This alternative camera might’ve been an idea they were shopping a while ago, but we’re more likely to see something like an NEX-7 body with a FF sensor.
Contrary to many of my critics but in agreenent with a solid 10% of the camera users I would still want to see one ff version just like the high end c camera but bigger (same resolution)
That would mean about 2.25x the pixels to match the resolution and additional processing capacity to handle the bigger files.
If they maintained comparable quality I would be happy with that.
If this were also a universal mount as rumored than 10% of ALL camera users would be happy with this.
Thats a lot of happy new camera users.
Those that dissagree buy one of sonys 10 other new features cameras that dont have as many pixels.
10% of users deserve 10%a of sonys new product line.
Of course if you are not currently in that 10% sony will still allow you to buy one.
Many satisfied a77 users use ff lenses.
There is no reason for these people NOT to want a bigger version of the same picture.
Currently in order to step up to full frame requires accepting a LOWER RESOLUTION camera.
The new rx1 interchangeable lenses should be made fully comatable with nex.
Currently sony has 4to differend lens lines.
Crop a..
.ff a….
Crop e….
Ff e…
The probability of people purchasing incompatable products keeps increasing.
Another mounting system would be a mistake.
My top concerns about the NEX-FF:
1, sensor-shift autofocus?
2, IBIS?
3, 4K video?
4, Price?
Price is my only concern,hahaha.
Dying for a FF Nex.
I have tons of Vivitars and other cheap Zssr glass to put on a $3k digital camera.
Hurry up, Sony!
Sony can’t make a third mount.
The law say’s maximum 2 for each brand… 🙂
No I don’t know anyhting. Time will tell.
This is just rumors so let’s wait and see.
I just want/need a small FF mirrorless body and two primes 24mm, 35mm and 85mm.
Ups… 3 primes. And in-camera EVF is wanted.
+1 Integrated EVF is mandatory! 😉
24-35-85 is all I need, but the 35 is too slow.
Leaf shutter = flash sync at any shutter speed.
Some people will love this.
Top shutter speed will be lower than with an FP shutter though.
So is the rumor that Canon and Nikon users also will have a surprise with the NEX-FF holds true? Is the NEX-FF can also be mounted with Canon or Nikon FX lenses? If this would be true without the need for any adapters, I would definitely buy the NEX!
To me it’s strange that at one month from the announcement (more or less) nothing real has been leaked.
Is it to create more and more hype?
If so, I hope Sony won’t show something à la Leica X-Vario (disappointing everyone).
More streetshooter plague coming this year… I want to pixel peep flagstones looking for barrel distortion and vignetting… (just kiddding!).
Good news for the nex system, but did anyone else read it as, David Kill patrick? or was it just me?
This should be interesting
For me, RX1 style is not a good news at all. It has no included EVF, neither an OVF like some Fuji-X or Leica. So I hope that there will be a better thing coming out.
I think we live in such an exciting time in the history of photography. To think all those years ago I started with a Minolta SRT 101. Now there are so many options and the IQ this equipment plus a good photographer produces is just wonderful. I have learned to be more patient with equipment releases. I avoided the temptation of the D600, 6D, the GX7, and EM1. OK Sony you really are leading the way of innovation. Perhaps in a month or two we will learn about the good stuff. I am looking past mFT, APS-C to a mirrorless FF. Now news of a possible interchangeable lens RX or Nex FF. Wow. I wasn’t even considering the RX FF camera until today. The reviews about the IQ of the RX1 and RX1R is very interesting. I love smaller cameras. First I will choose the best mirrorless body for me and then the high end lens. My clients are going to be in for a treat.
I don’t even understand the question?!?!
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I the Nex FF works as described we will be able to use our FF Sony, Minolta, (Sigma in the Alpha form factor) AND every other legacy lens we might have sitting in our junk boxes. What more could you want!?
I’m assuming the rumors about about the NEX FF being able achieve focus through motion of the imaging array in the Z axis are true. With that and built in focusing aids already built into the Nex, I don’t understand why we are talking about what lens Sony needs to make us.
Granted that non-Nex lenses will need an adapter between the body and the lens, but is that a big deal?!
Okay, I hope when the introduce the NEX FF, they also offer a small zoom or tiny prime, for use as a pocket camera. When we wan to get serious, I suspect that most readers already have a wealth of good glass.
How about the price? $3k?