The 35mm f/2.8 Zeiss (SR5), the FF E-mount from the VG900 and the Zeiss 85mm f/1.8 (unconfirmed yet)
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1) SR5: Three E-Mount FF cameras are planed to be launched within the next five months! And let’s hope Sony doesn’t change this plan 🙂
2) SR5: Two are NEX-FF cameras and one is a DSLR shaped (ILCE) E-mount Full Frame camera.
3) SR5: The first camera(s) will be announced soon and be in Stock before Christmas (Sources didnt’ tell me if it’s one camera only or two that will be announced now).
4) SR5: There is a cheaper and a more expensive NEX-FF to come (Sources didn’t tell if both will come at the same time or not).
5) SR5: There will be (a minimum) of two primes lenses (Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 and Zeiss 55mm f/1.8) and two High Quality zooms along the first camera announcement. These lenses are FE (“F”ull frame “E”-mount) lenses. (Editor’s note: One source told me about a portrait lens too but I have to triple check this. Could be the leaked 85mm f/1.8).
These sources didn’t share specs and images yet. They told me that only very few have seen the camera and know the specs (that’s why they don’t want to share them). But these very trusted sources saw the cameras! 🙂
What else do I know? I have some specs I received from new sources. If you want soon I can post them with low SR2-SR3 rumor ranking. But please keep in mind that as usual we cannot be sure these specs are correct…ok?
What about A-mount, APS-C E-mount and RX?
These rumors will be posted soon on SAR.
In short, this is going to be the most exciting time ever on SAR. Sony usually came with 1 FF camera release every three years. Now we will get three E-mount FF in 5 months, and A-mount FF too….ok, I anticipated a rumor here 😉
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219 Responses
Exciting times. Would like to know what’s around the corner for A mount users.
working on it.
A Mount SLT Models
even if it is Only
APS-C SLT models or just
Minor Updates to Current SLT models
Any release targets or dates associated
with these above SLT’s appreciated.
Thank You.
I’m waiting for years now for a cheap A-mount FF body (€ 1000-1500) !
Why are NiCans almost there, and Sony just can’t do it ?
Is really everybody waiting for an expensive FF NEX ?
And should this young generation (compared to A-mount user/years) be served first ?
Come-on Sony: Bring classic FF A-mount now, with Pentaprism and no video!
It’s not that they can’t do it, they won’t do it. They chose a different strategy, time for people to get over it.
Where is 400 f2.8? or 800 f5.6?
Where is 200 macro?
Tilt/ Shift non existent.
Very narrow choice of lenses for specialized photographers. I don’t need to buy those lenses. I could also hire them for particular jobs. But they are non-existent.
Maciej.
Try these
Sigma 180mm f2.8macro
Tamron 180mm f3.5 macro.
Celestron c5. F10 1250mm with celestron f6.3 reducer. Focus to 20″ t mount but if z shift available will possibly autofucus.
This is a schmidt cosegrain so high quality. 6lb. Get the black one not the newer white model.
Or try the c8 8″f10 2035mm with the same f6.3 reducer making it 1250mm. 20lb..17″” long…better corner to corner sharpness than the c5.
Cant decide then the c6 1500mm f10 might be a good compromise.
I am thinking of getting a c8.
All include a 6×30 finderscope..you will need it. You will slso need at least a 20lb rated tripod an remote shutter release.
Be aware tha air is not totally transparen and will degrade the image even if the optics are good.
The celestron black versions without the flat field correction are better suited to wildlife an accept the 6.3adapter which has a flat field adapter built in.
The white version is better for astrophotograpy but not better for wildlife and will not work with the f6.3 reducer.
Part of the image are “branded” lenses. Not for the sake of “Sony” stickers alone! With “third-party” lenses there might be issues with AF speed, image quality. Third party companies don’t always have skills to make AF as fast as possible. Making architectural shots without tilt/shift lenses is bad, really bad (awful perspective of buildings without tilt/shift).
If I knew that “not-Sony” company has camera body + own specialized lenses (200 macro, 400/800 tele, tilt/shift) I would feel much more safe to invest. I don’t mind if Nikon uses Soy sensors in their cameras. They tune up Sony sensors for themselves. Sony could buy Sigma or Tamron lenses, tune them up, put Sony sticker on them. I would accept that. But sadly they sell RX100 to Hasselblad. WTF? Take care of Your own users Sony – for God sake. I hope You know what I mean. In my opinion Sony has very limited choice of professional lenses.
Maciej, yes, Sony’s lineup is lacking some lenses. But let’s remember that all the lenses you mentioned are quite specialized.
They won’t do that because they have already tried that strategy and failed. Sony Alpha A850.
“Despite the lens catalog inherited from Minolta and the relationship with Carl Zeiss, Sony has a lot of holes left in the lens lineup – macro options are mediocre; telephotos nearly non-existant, and tilt shifts completely absent. There are a lot of consumer-grade zooms, though, which perhaps says a lot about this company’s target market: note also that it means you’re stuck if and when you decide you need a bit more from your gear.”
I found this smart quote here:
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/04/08/system-choices-1/
That quote doesn’t strike me as being smart.
Not really smart, on the contrary, looks like someone who wants to keep his “status quo” and is only really comfortable with “more of the same”.
True. People didn’t compare expensive Canon or Nikon full frame cameras to the A850 back then. Fast forward 2012, everybody suggesting Sony to sells its flagship camera for the price of Canon entry level! This is just ridiculous. Sony A850 still holds the record for the cheapest launching price, ever (USD2000 vs USD2099 of 6D/D600). Did it works? I don’t think so.
Come on! What is the use of “full frame” without lens choice??
Really long tele: sports, birds, wild animals, shooting very nice moon or nice sunset.
Long macro: great maginifaction for many, many objects.
Tilt/shift: architecture.
Lenses for street photography, landscapes, weddings, indoors or portraits – OKAY! But if my client says that he wants nice architectural shots … or birds… or astonishing macro… No, my camera has only limited choice of lenses, sorry.
Thanks to video functions Sony is doing well. But photography (“photography” meant as a whole) not so well.
“Come on! What is the use of “full frame” without lens choice??”
“Lenses for street photography, landscapes, weddings, indoors or portraits – OKAY!”
So you do have quite a few choices.
“But if my client says that he wants nice architectural shots … or birds… or astonishing macro… ”
That looks like quite the hypothetical situation. As I said above, plenty of photographer out there will be satisfied with the available lenses. Others won’t be.
So yu want sony to make a complete array of special lenses bit you dont want to biy any of them and if sony doesn’t yoj wont biy thier camera.
Bjt third party lenses are not good enough they must ne sonyj.
And sonys new universal camera that uses every lens biy every manufacturer is still not a big enough selection for you.
It does not sound like anything can satisfy you.
@Vlad
I listen to people (clients) and I preffer to have complete system. Otherwise I will be stucked with weddings, portraits, bugs. Try to shoot footbal match for newspaper with improper lens. You won’t get the photo for the cover. If company wants to have printed macro shots on a calendar hanging on the wall… then I need the lens, long macro. I might have body but body is not enough. Minolta AF 200 F4 Macro APO – where are You? I don’t want to buy all the lenses, for particular job I will hire them. At this moment I have APS-C Nikon. Very limited system. There is no Speedbooster for Nikon DSLR body so I am stucked. I am considering Sony A3000 at the cost of AF speed but I think I will better go FF (not Sony). If SOny releases new AF system (sensor shift) it might be interesting.
@animalsbybarry
Try Nikon body + Nikon Lens. Or Canon + Canon lens. Check AF speed (check AF speed also in worse light), accuracy. Compare to Nikon + Tamron lens or Canon + Sigma lens. Sony can optimize Minolta lenses for themselves – this is good. I feel more confident with optimised setup. But Minolta is gone and Sony is going very slow to rebrand Minolta lenses. I hope You understand. For limited use – Sony is OKAY but not for professional. Hiring good lenses is logical thinking BTW in some circumstances.
You ate waiting futilely for another Sony alpha camera with an OVF. Canon, Nikon and others have options for you now. Eventually Sony will release a moderately priced full frame SLR style camera – but with an EVF.
Dude, you must be psychotic if you think that’s a possibility. Absolutely laughable. IF that’s what you want, you either buy a Sony A850, or move to CaNikon. Sony is not your brand.
At the last event Sony wrote on their lens stand: “DSLR/SLT lenses”. They seem to insist they are still making SLR cameras…
^they also call their NEX line DSLR type cameras, so don’t worry, they just lump everything into the DSLR category because thats the language CaNikonians speak to imply interchangable lens
What Pb said.
To the rest of the non-tech world, DSLR means ‘camera that looks like a DSLR’. Doesnt matter if it is one functionally. Also, they SUPPORT DSLRs. So it will be a category.
Sony have a DSLR problem. As most people don’t know that Minolta lenses are the same mount, there’s a perception that the choice of lenses is very small. People don’t ‘have’ Sony A-Mount lenses lying around and even if they do (branded Minolta) often don’t know it.
Thus even a cheap Sony DSLR requires an investment in glass. Nikon and Canon don’t have this problem on nearly the same scale. People often inherit Nikon or Canon lenses. Else they can borrow them from friends and relatives.
Minolta gave up with making lenses for cameras 15 January 2006. You must search for Minolta lenses on second hand market – this not very practical if You REALLY NEED lens for a job. Sony should brand Minolta lenses (super tele, super macro) and offer them as new (by “new” I mean: “available” product. And maybe do a little work on tilt/shift lenses.
Wow! Exciting times ahead 🙂
Sounds nice! Shoot with SR2-3 too 😛
Wow, expensive stuffs…
Compare it with Leica…and suddenly it will be a bargain 🙂
I guess it’s time to stop comparing these cameras to Leica. They won’t be digital RF cameras and they won’t be made as well as Leica, they won’t come with the quality and after sale support of Leica either.
This.
Still nice to see how close you can get to Leica for less money.
Also, will finally be able to get a proper comparison of M-glass on Leica to M-glass on Sony without the crop.
I’m guessing some people would be willing to pay $5k on a Summilux 35mm which will last basically forever, than $7k on an M-body which will ultimately need to be replaced.
“They won’t be digital RF cameras”
Thank goodness.
“they won’t be made as well as Leica”
Because all Sony cameras are just falling apart.
“they won’t come with the quality and after sale support of Leica either.”
Sony’s support… well, you do have a point here.
RF is personal preference, I know some photographers who left RF cameras because of the effects of Mother Nature on their vision.
For me, RF is still the best aid for manual focusing, prefer it to focus peaking, Fuji’s digital split image and it’s faster than magnification.
Sony is building universal camera and does not, nor wants to, compete with Leica. This camera(s) will be successful just due to the fact that there’s only one FF mirrorless system on the market which is out reach of most of the people, financially of course.
I do not wear any jewelry, so I would choose this camera even if they are the same price.
If the weight doesn’t matter, I will take Nikon, and if it does matter, RX1R.
Well, one deserves some benefits for 2.5 to 4 times the price.
I expect to be pampered and attended to when I buy a three thousand dollar suit at Saks versus getting a suit from the same designer on sale at an outlet for $600.
I don’t doubt the build-quality and Leica service are superior, but beyond that I expect the imaging quality of the Sony to be as good or better with image stabilization, AF lenses, focus peaking on the EVF and the flexibility to use lenses from nearly all major lens makers. If I was a leia owner, I’d probably get one as an additional body for all the things it does that the Leica will not. Sort of like if I owned a Ferrari I wouldn’t want to use it as my primary form of transportation – but it would be fun to use on the weekends.
@ C: Yep that is exactly what I do complement my M9. The Leica is a great camera but for some things e.g. high ISO it is simply not great so the Nex definitely has it’s place…
And hopefully without the insecure strap lugs, liveview that can’t zoom off-center, and ever-increasing body size of Leica. Don’t get me wrong, I love Leica but they aren’t infallible.
“Compare”….. Look at what the Sony EFF actually can produce and what kind of photo making machine it hopefully is. The photographers that made Leica known and the brand so strong – what would next Cartier-Bresson chose in 2013? Would they go for the Leica myth? (Today’s Leica is not what the film M’s were.) No, other cameras are superior in speed, high ISO and image quality – at lower price.
Let’s see whether the Sony EFF meets the requirements of today’s upcoming – to-be great photo artists whose photos will make history.
I’m pretty sure I cannot afford to buy those FF stuff, but I’ll still be excited as hell! See, I am a gearhead and suffering from a chronic GAS disease. Any good product announcement will make me feel good. Whether I can buy it or not doesn’t really matter.
Andrea, will all these cameras have the moving sensor which means you can autofocus Canon & Nikon lenses with the appropiate adaptor?
That is a rumor I am working on and post the next days or weeks.
If that moving sensor travels 18mm then the camera must be 19mm (at least) thicker than a current NEX such as the 7.
This suggests that the moving sensor would only be in a DSLR-shaped (Fat Form Factor Full Frame or FFFFF) body. Also, such a body would appeal more to possible Nikon or Canon apostates.
Why should it be thicker by that much?
Most lenses move the back element as they focus and reduce or extend flange distance.
This is the opposite.
I am sure Sony found some middle ground for this.
Maybe 1cm thicker, which is not bad for ergonomics anyway.
The present distance of the sensor from the lens mount is the position for infinity focus. There is no point in moving it closer as you do not want to focus beyond infinity. So the movement must be from the present position backward, which adds 18mm to the thickness of the camera.
What Don said makes sense. Given that the NEX form factor is all about compactness and that removing the mirror from the a-mount line will provide empty space inside the body, it stands to reason that it will go is an SLR/a-mount style body. If this tech can be used to alternate the flange distance it could make for excellent hybrid a-e cameras that can use a-mount lenses with the flip of a switch (and if an adaptor is required it should just be a small ring adaptor for the lens to aapt the electrical pins).
WOW! And YES Andrea give us the SR2/SRT3 specs, PLEEEEASE!!!
Andre, you are *Awesome*! I’m so excited; I’ve been saving for a FF NEX for ages now 🙂
i think i can wait for less expensive one. only 5 months later
Hi Admin, can you also check for rumors relating to the Sony-Olympus collaboration that will it have 5-axis IS and can it can support Olympus Zuiko lenses.
yes. Meantime I will give you the SR2-SR3 rumors the next days.
Great to see Sony getting serious…Fingers crossed for an A99 replacement soon!
The a99 has been available less than a year. It was three years before the a900 was replaced.
Full Frame before Christmas. Nice! 🙂
Now if the Full Frame Zooms are 24-70 and 70-200 that with the 85mm f1.8 ZA SSM covers a LOT of ground for most photographers, even PROs. curious if Sony did it at the same filter size? Macro/Portrait 135mm ZA SSM f1.8 would make it a nice kit. then 14mm f2.8 ZA SSM for the ultra wide little more complicated because it would have to compete with the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 which is awesome even on the D800 36mp. I would love to see a Ultra wide that can use a Filter even if it is 16mm. Hopefully all the “SAME” filter size. imho, that’s not too much to ask.
There was the rumor a few days ago about the SEL70400 (so E-mount 70-400) maybe that’s the E-mount telephoto and we’ll get something like a 24-70 f4.0? Return of the beer cans?
There is a filter-ready 15mm ultra-high performance superwide from Zeiss. Expensive, but you get what you pay for in terms of flare resistance and resolution.
Will these have IBIS, PDAF on sensor and/or sensor shift AF?
Sensor shift AF and IBIS are pretty difficult to implement simultaneously. But who knows 😉
I believe the same mechanism could control both.
how will the e-mount fit a FF-sensor. thought it was too small for that?
VG900 ? 🙂
ok, i thought the corners were suffering from vignetting in that
Some adapters may need a slight redesign if they are cutting off corner light.
You realise the VG900 is a a video camera, right? And that it doesn’t use all of the sensor shooting video?
You know that the wideangle stills performance is abysmal in the corners?
You do know that it has a shutter and can shoot full-frame stills, right? You do know that this issue has been beaten to death repeatedly on this site and others, right?
But seriously, the VG900 has issues with RANGEFINDER/SYMMETRICAL wide-angles. That is because of the design of the lens (even film cameras vignette to a certain degree with such lenses) and the sensor design/filter pack. If you have any conclusive evidence the issues with these lenses come from the mount itself please, please share it here.
E-mount is smaller than A-mount which already has very bad vignetting. You can see an example of the 24-70 vignetting heavily at F9 here: http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a-mirrorless-camera-body-with-full-frame-sensor_topic76321_page15.html
A-mount was a fait accompli. When Sony got the chance to introduce a new mount they optimised it for super 35 and aps-c. If they had optimised it for a FF sensor it would have been bigger not smaller. The mount is roughly twice the size of the imaging circle, much like Four Thirds. Nobody believes that the Four Thirds mount was designed for a 135 sensor.
The FF NEX is conceptual fallacy. People imagine a camera in their head made from separate and incompatible technologies. A FF digital sensor, small, non-retrofocus film-era lenses, a lens mount that will just accommodate a 135 sensor when digital imaging requires more clearance than film…
You could make a FF NEX but the lenses would be A-mount sized (in width if not length), the body would require an expensive and custom Leica-style sensor with adjusted microlenses and would need software correction to combat vignetting. Wideangle lenses would need to be corrected for extreme vignetting, colour shift and would have poor corner sharpness.
The camera would be as large as an A37, would perform relatively poorly and would be expensive. It would be a boutique product and likely to enrage Sony users all over the world and damage the brand. It really isn’t coming.
If I’m not mistaken, E-mount’s throat diameter is as large as of the Nikon F-mount. Nikon is doing just fine with their FF.
have you seen the nex-vg900..? Uses e-mount and got a fullframe sensor.
I guess I’ll stick with my 7 and maybe invest in the 16-70/4 zoom and be done for a while. That FF stuff is gonna be crazy expensive…
I agree. However it will be very interesting if some new side-technology of the FF NEX will find its way into the dx bodies. And if this Z-axis sensor would only be available in FF NEX I might even buy it anyway.
Yep, thinking exactly the same.
I”m desperately in need for an upgrade for my A100(!) and I could stretch the budget to $2000 for a compact FF NEX body, but then it should almost have a touch screen, new menu system, fast AF, GPS and maybe even IBIS. Most likely that won’t happen and at the same time the lenses will probably be at least $1000 a pop. And that where it goes over my hobby budget. If it would be a “perfect” camera for me, then maybe. But most likely it won’t and then I rather get the current NEX 7 and iPhone 5S for the same price.
omfg – i must have one of these small nex full frame cameras!
Hey Admin
Do you think the Metabones III Canon to EF adapter will work on NEX FF? It works on the FF Camcorder with Canon FF lenses.
It will work in crop mode.
Now it would be awesome if FF cameras will offer APS-C and 43 crops views in camera! 😛
and EXIF Metadata throught Menu
My biggest concern is that how about all my E-lenses, does they mount to that FE-system (without any crappy adapter)? I have put about 3K to all my E-lenses and if they are useless with that FF-camera, I’m going to… Well, I’m going to stay with that E-system. =)
E mount remains E mount, so I would assume your native E lenses to 1) work flawlessly in crop mode and/or 2) vignette like hell in FF mode ?? If they’re smart they’re gonna allow backwards compatibiity the way Nikon did for APS-C lenses on it’s FF bodies. It’s always cool to have APS-C crop handy when in need of reach or whatever, actually gives you two cams in one. I often shot my D700 in crop mode and the quality was not half as degraded as people made it to be.
Crop mode and vignette=like-Hell are really the same thing – the image covers the middle of the sensor and you discard the corners. Crop mode only means the camera does the cropping for you rather than you doing it in PP.
To avoid loss of quality in crop mode, the Full Frame sensor needs to have twice as many Megapixels as the APS-C.
If using crop mode on a FF sensor, would you still see the benefits of shallower depth of field? Or would all your images come out exactly the same as if shot on an APSC camera? I like the idea of being able to use crop mode at times when you would need a slightly longer reach, or to use your existing APSC lenses, but I don’t know the technical side of it, like if you still get the benefits of a FF sensor or if you essentially just turn it into an APSC sensor with that mode on. Would you still have reduced noise at higher ISO??
Thanks in advance if you can answer any of these questions! I’ve been curious ever since I found out that some cameras have this amazing feature.
You are just turning it into an APS-C camera with all that entails.
If you are using the same lens on an APS-C camera and on a FF camera, you will get exactly the same depth of field.
The difference comes from the fact that you typically use longer lenses on bigger sensors (and films).
For instance, 32mm would be a standard lens on APS-C and 50mm would be a standard lens on full frame.
At te same f# dof is dependent on image magnification at yhe sensor.
C will have greater dof if the image is framed the same and the same effective f# is used.
You are using a smaller portion of sensor, so you are in for APS-C parameters, with all that entails.
Andrea,
Any idea if the Sony 70-200g2 is worth waiting for, or should I just get the A009 tamron option? By most accounts the tamron is almost on par with the canon in terms of sharpness – any chance the Sony is going to beat this?
Thanks!
The new Sony will be optically IDENTICAL to the 30 year old design of before. No additional sharpness. The only differences are weather sealing and nano-coating for contrast improvement.
Do you know this for sure? I saw the leaked manual and agree that it certainly looks that way, but I’d just like confirmation. I find it difficult to believe that Sony would simply put a nano coat and a faster auto focus on it and throw it back out to get eaten alive – again. The guy I shoot with has a canon 70-200 USM II, and the difference at 2.8 is embarrassing. Not to mention the focusing speed and the low-light focusing lock. The current Sony is not even in the same league!
Any idea on price point for the cheap ff? Are they going to be pitching it against the 6d and d600?
Also are we likely to see an affordable a-mount ff?
+1
Yes, that’s what I want – a full-frame A-mount camera for under $1500. I would have thought it would be a better priority than the DSLR-shaped (ILCE) E-mount Full Frame camera mentioned in the rumour.
+1
If I were in Sony’s shoes I’d probably also focus attention on the latest hot item, namely the NEX system in this case. It’s got momentum PLUS there is very little third party competition with regard to lenses. Especially the lenses. Time to cash in whilst the market is hot. But then, it’s just my opinion.
but what about the nex7 successor?
the 85mm will be FE or E ?
still waiting for 100% reliable info on that.
It is pretty easy to get a 85mm lens to cover full frame, even the current 85mm f/2.8 for A-mount does and it is only $299. I expect the lens may have been designed before a final FF NEX decision was made so they may have to go back and verify it does cover the FF OK then change the engravings and manuals to reflect that fact.
Why? It’s a rumor site. If you have it 100% it’s no longer a rumor, but a fact, a kind of pre-announcement.
i hereby start the rumor that the next sony e-mount camera will be the 8-1000mm f0.75 constant lens, it will weigh 150g and costs $199, without checking with sources and directly posting them, this site will turn into a complete joke in about 5 minutes…..
There’s a difference between low(er) credibility and nonsense. At least for me. And a difference if an information comes from a source that was right in the past and a new source. A source that was right in the past is credible but not as much as three trusted source who all say the same. Seems really difficult to understand. Maybe I’m wrong and too many readers don’t get what rumor means. So maybe Andrea should only pre-announce new stuff, means: only report rumors which are 100%.
gosh, i swear some of you people don’t even read the content of these posts and just ramble on about what you want to see just after reading the title right? will post more shortly, just be patient!!
Looks like the family will have to settle for cheap socks for christmas, because i’ve got some expensive presents to buy for myself! 🙂
Just give them portraits of the family taken with your camera. Easy justification!
A 24mm prime would be very welcome. Or even 28mm if that would make
it possible to be small. The size of the 35mm F2.8 looks very good.
Worst gifts ever
Hot news. Very nice.
A nice start up system from the beginning.
At least 3 primes please!
Thanks Admin and sources!
Maybe this is the reason of not having a NEX-7 replacement in sight? Because Sony thinks that it’s going to be all FF for “serious” users?
My bet would be most engineering resources have been transfered to the FF project, as Sony saw it as a natural “upgrade path” for 7 users. Which is a valid strategy IF they give folks an “entry level” FF model that is closer in price to what 7 upgraders were thinking to pay. As one, I figured I might have to poney up 1700€ for the 7 replacement with Zeiss kit, but might stretch it a bit if I could by an FF body for 1800…
+1
A new NEX-7 will definitely eat into FF-NEX(es) sales!
I’d bet there wont be a NEX-7 successor in APS-C. It will be an entry level FF.
+1 Nex 6 incorporated all the features of the 7 except the higher-res sensor and tri-navi while adding wireless/apps. There’s every chance the FF NEX will be the upgrade focus.
Andrea, for me there is nothing wrong to post rumors that have a low or uncertain credibility. It’s a rumor page after all. And since you indicate a rating for the credibility no-one can fault you, when a low rated rumor turns out to be wrong. That’s the nature of rumors, they can be wrong. So post them, unless you want to run a Sony pre-announcement page. ;-)) And thanks for your work. Makes boring office days more entertaining …
I agree, I love to see any rumors, even if at the low end of the reliability spectrum. The problem I see with posting those rumors, and why Andrea probably doesn’t like to post those rumors, is that many people on this forum often get furious when those rumors never come to fruition, and may even complain about it being posted in the first place.
Maybe the solution is a not-more-than-once-a-week clearly titled bonus posting rounding up the wildcard stuff, so long as that’s not going to compromise sources.
Might be an idea. But if highlighted properly that teh credibility of a rumors is low should be fine enough. If people can’t read, just don’t care …
i prefer it the way it is now, more things to read while im at work 😀
Let me guess: You submitted a “”rumor”” and not complain that it’s not posted?
oh… silly people….
Yeah, silly people, always suspecting the worst. No, I didn’t. I would, if I had. For me, rumors are mainly entertaiment during a boring office day. A little bit more speculation would be fun. Actually, Andrea seems to check rumors so much that they are no more rumors, but facts or a kind pre-announcement. I thought this is a rumor site …
Another guess: he is here for the rumors and can read the rumor rating properly, unlike most whiners, who apparently expect facts.
I wonder how many ‘rumors’ are from the readers here who have their own spin on things to try to get published.
What a terrible job Andrea has trying to sort through this garbage.
That’s true. And I never meant that Andrea should publish everything. But why a triple check before publishing? If a source that was right in the past send a rumor, it should be published with a lower credibility rating. The moment other trustworthy source confirm it, the rasting can be set higher. My impression is that Andrea tries to do the job too good. Rumors, espacially low rated rumors, may be wrong. It’s the nature of rumors. So please Andrea, use the SAR 1 – 5 ratings. You invented them for a reason …
cant wait to see new rx. Could this be another fullframe camera too. Not sure that presumed rx10 apsc with zoom will work as it would be competing against nex. Thinking maybe full frame with wide angle 21 distagon. Yes please.
I’m tired of hearing the comparison between Leica & Sony/Zeiss … The value isn’t nearly identical. Sony has to be persist against Canon, Nikon & Fuji. So Sony has to deliver good values for the money. How simple is that.
But then Canon and Nikon don’t have anything comparable.
See I was right…on Facebook SAR I answered Andreas Question how many FF-Nex will come with the following:
I guess three…just like the three APS-C Nex ones! Cheaper series for enthusiasts (the 3-Model), one for the ambitious folks (model 5) and one for the Prosumer with more money to spare (Model 7)..all pros will go for alpha mount or Canikon anyway!,-)
It sounds like there will be three but I doubt with that lineup. There will be one professional (like the 9-series) and one either advanced amateur or middling (5 or 7 series). Instead of a 3-series (AKA beginner/entry level) Andrea has said there will be a FF ILCE model so probably the 7 or 9 tech in a DSLR shaped body. My guess is it will be this latter model that has the crazy z-axis focus and will be very expensive but sufficiently differentiated from pro-level NEX shaped camera.
Let’s hope the NEX-FF has a different menu system!
NEX-7 successor or cheap NEX FF, we’ll see.. for macro photography with Canon MP-E via metabones
“Anticipating a rumour” – LOL. Nice one admin 🙂
The Verge just mention SAR on Sony FF news. Ke ke ke.
Would anybody want a 35-85mm f2.0 constant zoom sharp wide open. I would spend anything on that and keep it on my camera 90%
a 28-50/2.8 should be pretty small and a perfect street photography lens
Make it a very sharp 24-85 f4 and I am in.
35mm is not wide enough for me. If there is a high resolution sensor in it you always can crop for the tele, but you don’t get to the wide angle perspective by stitching 8beside the issue of moving subjects). So a classic 2,8/24-70 FF would be nice or a 4/24-105.
What if Sony made a Zeiss 24-85 f4 and it cost $2800? Would you buy that?
I, for one, would KILL for a 35-85mm f/2.0 zoom lens, ideally one that covers full frame and has SSM.
I spend most of the wedding day shooting with two bodies around my neck: a SONY a850 (with a Minolta 35mm f/2.0 RS on it) and a SONY a900 (with a Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 on it). It usually have both the lenses stopped down to f/2.2 or f/2.5, and I keep a Minolta 50mm f/1.4 RS in my pocket!
This is how I shoot 90% of the day. My Zeiss 24-70mm f/2.8 SSM stays in my bag most of the time as its really heavy, and its bokeh is nice, but nothing compared to my primes. My beercan stays in my bag even more of the time, and I only take out my Minolta 100mm f/2.8 Macro D for ring shots and still life shots of flowers, centrepieces & food, and my Sigma 20mm f/1.8 only comes out when I’m shooting an “establishing shot” of the exterior of a building, or an interior architecture shot of the reception hall.
A 35-85mm f/2.0 Zeiss SSM would be AMAZING for wedding and people photographers.
Here’s to hoping that SONY has professionals users in mind this time around. Sigma seems to!
a 35-85mm f/2 would be big and heavy too.
Andrea, what do you think about a table like this to work with to understand the differentiation between those future products? For me it is interesting to try to understand how they think.
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NEX9, FF, TS, HS, RES++, EVF++, IBIS
NEX8, FF, TS, HS, RES+, EVF+
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NEX7, TS, HS, RES+, EVF+, IBIS
NEX6, TS, HS, EVF
NEX5, TS,
NEX3
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Resolution = RES
TS = Touch Screen
HS = Hot Shoe
FF = Full Frame
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Thanks for a great job with the site!
let’s hope that the 55mm zeiss is sharp wide open, and that the 5-axis IBIS is not stripped down on the cheaper nex!
any rumors on the pricing of the 55mm?
Stddown? A cheaper FF Nex would not have IBIS I think…
I wanted to write “Stripped Down”. Sorry!
you forgot to write “Blasfemy!” or something like that..
ups! The avobe message was a reply to a comment that has been deleted.
As much as I love having more options to choose from, to get that camera model that suits your needs best, these rumors are making it extremely difficult for me to decide which path to go down, it’s all so exciting, I want them all!!!
Andrea, any idea if any of the models would be weather resistant or sealed? That could help the decision making process for me a bit 🙂
A couple of weeks ago you were so sure about NEX-FF being launched before the end of September… Oh well. Let’s see if now the 5 months deadline can be met…
Item #3 one full-frame e-mount camera will be announced on sale before Christmas. For Sony’s typical timeline that would be about September.
I don’t believe that Andrea has backed down from saying that at least one NEX FF camera will be announced in September–just that it will take ca five months to see all three e-mount FF cameras.
Definitely at least one to come very soon.
Andrea, any news on LA-EA4 adapter? With or without SLT mirror? FF or APS-C? Will it record video faster than current EA2’s limit of F3.5? I don’t want EA2’s SLT mirror stealing 30% of light since the future AF will be mirrorless OSPDAF anyway.
Also I’m looking for a fast/compact standard F2.8 zoom lens for NEX (18-50, 17-50, 17-70) and don’t see any viable option neither in E-Mount, nor in A-Mount SSM/USM/HSM/USD. They are either non-existent or without OIS and/or ultrasonic AF motor, or simply huge and heavy with filter d72/77 – looks silly on NEX, can’t shoot video single-handed.
Wouldn’t the 16-70 f4 do the work?
Well it’s F4 and $1000+. Need F2.8 or F2.8-4 zoom, not fix. I’m researching the likes of Sigma/Tamron but Tamrons are screw-driven/loud and VC/OIS versions are huge. Most Sigmas now don’t have OS for Sony mount. Also Sigmas 17-50, 17-70 are huge, fat and heavy 550g+, filter d = 72/77mm. I’d like something smaller for filter d = 67mm, 450g. Sigma 18-50 F2.8-4.5 OS HSM would be ok but it’s not a quality/sharp lens according to reviews.
Yep, that would be tricky. And given that Sony is taking the NEX as a consumer solution, I don’t imagine seeing a 2.8 zoom anytime soon.
@Admin: Last week you stated that you will post an image that will make us all happy.
Where is it, or was it the busted a7000 image?
Don’t rub salt in the wound, hehe.
Andrea, any indication if any more ‘regular’ E-mount lenses on Sony’s roadmap or do you think its high-end Zeiss / G / FE all the way now?
All high end.
Difference between DSLR shaped emount camera and the new sensorless sony a mounts? OK other mount but else???
The difference is the rumored E-mount DSLR shaped camera is a reality, whereas the Mirrorless A-mount camera is just a rumor. And probably not going to see the light of day.
And where do you get THAT guff, Henry?
Lets just say I may be involved with a marketing company that has been able to provide advanced planning knowledge of one, but not the other.
Sales figure? hehehehe
I’m very glad I got out of the A-mount half a year ago. Looks like a dead system to me now, especially given all the new designs going to E-mount lenses.
I personally prefer the optical viewfinder, but the FF NEX with 55mm 1.8 is going to be a hit among enthusiasts for sure. I can also see many people mounting the M-mount manual zeiss lenses on this system.
+1 did the same, sold all my A Mount Staff (A99 + Zeiss Lenses), now waiting for FF NEX to reinvest in Sony 😉
Unfortunately, I couldn’t wait for an affordable sony NEX system. Went for a Canon FF (6D). Have to say, even though it’s bigger than the NEX by quite a bit, the battery life is infinite and the handling is the best of any camera out there. I suppose it depends on your goals and how much you want to carry, but slap on a fixed 35mm or 50mm f2 (manual focus) and there really is nothing better out there.
For me it is all about size. I don’t want to carry a big DSLR any more. While waiting for the Nex I bought a used M9 and some nice lenses (which wait already for the FF Nex as well 😉 )
+1 FF NEX will be way cheaper for sure!
Yep, its only a few months now until all the millions of people around the world with A-mount gear wake up and realize that they have a bag full of abandoned technology, obsolete, virtually worthless gear.
The A mount lenses are certainly not worthless, as they will work on E mount cameras.
The A mount camera bodies are not worthless until they stop working, in ten years time or whenever.
I’m talking about resale. When A-mount is abandoned by Sony in the “NEX” few months, everyone will dump their A-mount crap on Ebay, and it will over-saturate an already saturated A-mount market. You’ll be able to buy a 500 F4 for $400. So for those who want to fumble around with adaptors, you’ll be in luck! For those with 20 or 30 thousand dollars of A-mount gear, you’ll MAYBE make about $1000 to 2000 of it back.
GOOD LUCK! It’s about to get REAL interesting.
Sounds great to me. I purchased nearly 10k in a-mount gear last year to make money using it by re-selling it. If all of a sudden a ton of a-mount lenses and bodies were available dirt cheap from people who annoy bear to not have the newest model then I’ll happily purchase more for less – to actually use not put on a mantle.
Cameras today are so good they are in no way the limiting factor for producing quality photographs.
Typo Correction:
” I purchased nearly 10k in A-mount gear last year to make money using it NOT FROM re-selling it.”
There are often many missed keystrokes when using a mobile phone to post on this forum I find. Maybe it is a memory hog.
Dont worry C, I read it as you intended!
nonsense!
I’m not advocating it. It wont be ‘good’ for A-mounters, but its certainly not nonsense.
I seriously hope Sony will announce both compact NEX FF models at the same time. This way people, I, will be able to decide which one I’m saving up for.
No point posting SR2 information IMO. This is like the weather forecast telling you “it will be sunny saturday and we have a 40% confidence index on this”… meaning there’s a 60% chance it’s not sunny.
Given that you know what it means, just discard it. I prefer to have those rumors.
So, by that logic, should there be no weather forecasts? The vast majority of the time, chance of rain or sun is in the 30-60% range. Even with the most technologically advanced computers on earth, they have absolutely no clue what’s going to happen.
Post the SR2’s. This isnt “Sony Alpha Fact”
Rumor is a rumor. Fake or real, doesnt make a shred of difference.
Would all the three FF cameras support Nikon and Canon lenses or is it only the top end models that support Canikon lenses?
I prefer a great APS-C nex 7 successor than a cheap FF camera…. Quality will always have a price and choosing a FF sensor at low cost will surely have effect on image quality. I don’t think there s only professional photographers on this site so maybe you could explain me for what you will need a FF sensor?
Most don’t need it and just want it. Which is fine, until they decide to start defending it with ridiculous arguments.
Ill take that question, thanks for asking.
Photographers are extremely insecure people, that’s why they prefer to look at the world through a viewfinder/filter of some sort. Any tool that a photographer uses to allay his/her insecurity will have to be bigger because nothing that replaces fear/doubt/lack of artistic vision comes in a small size.
Hope this helps.
lol
I am not insecure, what do you mean by that? I am the cleverest boy in the forum.
Who the heck are you?
Which Vlad is the Vlad? Confusing as hell 🙂
At least, whoever you are, follow pattern like Hendrick and Hendricked please
Haha. This would get sorted out with the new commenting system, I believe. To continue our discussion from above and clarify my position:
“RF is personal preference”
Absolutely. And it is an enjoyable experience. But, as you pointed out, Sony is building a universal camera and I prefer it to stay that way. Though, I wouldn’t mind a cheaper than Leica RF option. Epson RD2 or Ikon digital?
On the other points, better build doesn’t strike me as an advantage at all. Yes, it is a tough, carefully crafted camera, but I do not see how say a D800 is less tough. Not to mention that it is also weather sealed. Nowadays cameras are tough enough.
From where I stand, I see only three real reasons to buy a Leica. You need RF for a specific reason, like the guys you mentioned. You want a small FF package. You simply enjoy the RF experience and have the money to spend on it.
Sony will kill reason number 2, I believe.
To clarify, as of this writing, only this comment isn’t mine:
“I am not insecure, what do you mean by that? I am the cleverest boy in the forum.”
@ Vlad – yep, I would love digital Ikon or at least digital CL. I like Leica because of the size of the package (body and lenses) but I use only M6 as digital M is way too out of my budget, but if I did have money I’d get one without even thinking together with new 50 Cron APO.
I can’t wait to see this new FF NEX, I believe that Sony will deliver camera a lot of us have been waiting for. There’s nothing wrong with FF dSLR but once you go mirrorless, it’s really hard to go back to SLR.
Mainly if you print large FF is great.
You also get twice sensor area = better image quality any size.
Then there is shallow DOF.
You must have HQ expensive lenses to fully utilize FF potential
Personally I really like to work with FF files over smaller sensor sizes, there is much more latitude in post processing.
If APS-C is enough for you, you can save a lot of money – or buy better lenses. 🙂
As much as I like to use shallow depth of field in my portraits, I honestly find myself having difficult times achieving deep DOF on other subjects on my APSC sensor.
Going smaller on f stops to achieve deeper DOF resulting increase of ISO or slowen the shutter speed.
Both these options have limits before you get shitty blurry or grainy images.
Sometimes I miss using smaller m43 sensor.
Rather than going full frame, I will stay with APSC sensor and enjoy updates like:
– nex 7 successor body,
– better user menu,
– better lenses,
– more lenses,
– ibis,
– more sensitive sensor,
– silent shutter,
– NFC,
etc…
Good point. Can I ask what types of photography are you doing?
Because I am a very nice boy and clever, too, so I am curious 🙂
Can I ask you the same question? Are you doing any photography at all? Give us a link darling.
Sure you can. Landscape photography mostly.
If you are starving for DOF, you should demand in-body tilt-shift, rather than “performance”, sensitivity and more lenses.
All these new camera choices still hoping for just one of them (any one as long as it has ibis) to be high resolution.
I heard all eill be cmos so i have no hope of a stacked sensor
None will be high resolution. Sorry.
Set your expectations for 36 MP, that way if they come out with anything higher you will be pleasantly surprised rather than extremely disappointed.
Listen to what C said. He’s on target.
I am thinking the camera will have IBS so I really can’t wait to see what sigma does when the full frame nex comes out.
Classic 35-55-85 a nice kit. Just one the wide side a bit …well not so wide. I could be tempted with a 21 or a 24 or even a nice 18mm lens… Any Idea about the focal lenghts of the zooms? Probably a good wide angle zoom?
My own SR1 A-mount rumor: LA-EA3 + ‘Thank You’ note for supporting A mount so far + Catalog of new E-mount lenses and cameras
new RX rumor please – and make that SR5 🙂
it’s more than enough of drama in E mount these days, but what about A mount ?
What about it? You want news about A-mount? A-mount was an old 1980’s technology that was not selling well for Sony, so it was retired in 2013 and paved the path for E-mount.
It’s just a mount, a piece of hardware that keeps a lens from falling off a body and transmitting metadata from the lens to the camera and power from the camera to the lens to drive the AF & aperture. As far as I can tell the only differences are: the a-mount is sturdier to support heavier lenses and the e-mount has a much shorter flange distance allowing for a plethora of adaptors for mounts with longer flange distances.
The Arri PL mount was developed in 1982 and it is the dominant mount for motion picture lenses.
Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arri_PL
Sony even makes PL mount lenses:
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-SCLPK6%2FF/
Tech from the a-mount BODIES may trickle over to the NEX bodies, and I expect features from the NEX bodies will move on to a-mount BODIES as well. The native a-mount lenses will continue to be important for Sony (for quite some time) as they launch the full frame e-mount series because a selection of only three full frame e-mount lenses isn’t going to cut it. The a-mount lenses are many, full-frame and easily adaptable with AF.
I agree with you. My previous response was not sincere, it is ‘from the eyes of the world, what A-mount means.’ and why E-mount will surpass it soon.
Life isnt always fair. Sometimes great products are replaced by inferior ones due to common misconception. I dont think E-mount is going to be inferior. But it will replace A-mount.
Eventually, Canon and Nikon will bend to the pressure and do the same sort of thing, but with their own classically boring spin on it.
If Sony can sort out making a hybrid camera body, I wouldn’t care if a lens says “A” or “E” on it. I’d love to have the flexibility to use lenses from either lines!
I suppose the day may may come when A-mount passes on. Not yet, however, Henry.
No, not today. Not tomorrow. Not next month. But next year? Very likely. In 5 years. Without a doubt.
My question is: Will the NEX-7 have 5-axis IBIS from Olympus?
I want to say that I just bought a 2470 2.8 two month ago…….Come on Sony, give me a new a-mount….
Andrea,
Any news with regards to NEX (FF or APS-C) and 4k video, XAVC-S codecs and/or XQD cards???
As always, thanks and keep up the good work.
So we still never got a photo claimed in regards to the ff….. were still waiting.
SONY please make the Zeiss 85mm 1.8 true !
I’d like to know how the NEX-FF cameras will work with the LA-EA2.
I currently use a bunch of full frame A mount lenses (Minolta and Sony) on my Nex-7. It works great.
It would be awesome if the LA-EA2 worked on the NEX-FF and the A-mount lenses worked in full frame mode (if applicable).
Also I don’t want a hotshoe, I want the Minolta autolock hot shoe.
I’m just wondering what this would mean for the current NEX cameras. Would Sony still committed to create new lenses for them? The FE lenses won’t be compatible with the current APS-C ( I assume).
Is it possible a RX1 in nex-7 body 😀 for the low cost nex FF?
rx1 sensor i meant.. with the features of nex7 body 😀