There is a correction to report:
The ILC-3000 E-mount cameras has no built-in Image Stabilization. It looks like there was an error on the camera specification list (probably while Sony copied the A-mount camera spec table or so).
Still valid: The ILC-3000 has a brand new 20.1 Megapixel sensor. it will be interesting to see how good the new sensor generation is! The camera costs 300 pounds and is aimed to compete against the Canon Rebel series.
Stay tuned on SAR. The chance is good that Sony will announce the new NEX cameras and lenses at 6-7am London time!
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LOL
Well, that lasted…
That’s a pity.
it’s a very low end camera! it’s not made for camera nerds, it’s made for budget shoppers!
:'(
No BS Inside!
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ha! makes sense! wasn’t expecting IBIS in the very lowest end budget entry level E-mount anyway when most E-mount lenses have OSS already
higher end ILCE cameras maybe… hoping FF-NEX mount does too 😀
I hope that this cam is not a dissapointing work of high paid engineers. What about add-ons? Flashes? Hot shoe? Wlan? What is THE outstanding point or capability of this cam? This is a cam created from despoir and wild turning hope to gain market share. Sorry Sony you have a lot to learn and to pay for it…
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For realz?
Well that’s probably just cut the potential sales figures in half!
Certainly from legacy lens users. I was looking forward to having my Nikon AI’s stabilised!
It was almost too good to be true… Too bad, actually…
And I have strong doubts about the 300 pounds price mark… Let’s hope that at least this one is correct!
i think its pretty do-able for 300. biggest cost is sensor, it has a cheaper LCD and lower level EVF. the main board is probably simple like the NEX and the grip will be for battery
Yes, the NEX-3N is also about that price, so it does seem probable.
Ahhh too bad! But somehow it would have been weird with all those SONY OSS lenses
I did find it difficult to believe that it had IBIS but it was the one thing that would have made me buy it so I can put my money away again !
OSS lenses and in body stabilisation makes no sense. This was a false rumor.
ILC stands for “interchangeable lens camera”, a term that is used by Sony for quite some time now.
The ILC is an Alpha like the NEX and SLT.
ILC is NEX electronics in a SLT-body. It makes much sens as soon as you use biger lenses.
I doubt that the sensor is “brand new”. I think it is the same like in the SLT-A58.
I am only curious if it has PDAF integrated, which I doubt too. So the sensor is new for the NEX system but not for the SLT.
Just to clear up false rumors. 😉
Pfui Canon 200 f2 into a rebel and a sony ??? f? (crap) on a ILCE
Bahahaha! Troll harder fool.
I think if Sony had a 20 Mpix sensor with OSPDAF as of now, the 5T would have it. So, no, I don´t think the A3000 will have PDAF.
A budget DSLR-like camera built to a relatively budget price.
Is it better than the Sony a37 it replaces?
Except for better size/weight balance E-mount, it seems to be the same in many areas, yet a step back in others.
The Sony a57/58 had the Canon 600-700D in their sights. This seems to be aiming for the Canon EOS-M/Canon 1100D market segment, unless they can amaze with some outstanding features such as NFC, tethering, touch screen … not looking kid as the sample photo from Dyxum does not show hints on the tag and this IS a budget model.
Probably better for Sony’s financial bottom line.
Looking forward to answers in the press release 🙂
Fall from grace, so the excitement turns to indifference as it has no in body IS!
The NEX range of lenses is both tiny, and in half the cases quite mediocre.
With a vast lens base, this hasn’t a hope in hell of competing with Canon at the entry level. It will fade into obscurity and possibly confuse new buyers who might see A mount lenses around, that won’t fit this without an adaptor.
Another fail from Sony. Why don’t they just concentrate on the Alpha range and leave NEX for the far eastern market, it’s not caught on in Europe of the USA. It’s a far smaller niche market than the DSLR one.
The NEX lens lineup is actually pretty good. The non pancake primes are quite good and the panckaes (16mm and 20mm) are capable of taking great photos, in the hands of someone who knows that they’re doing (and there are good copies of these lenses out there). The original 18-200 zoom and the new 18-200mm power zoom are nice lenses, The 10-18mm is a good lens. I like my 16-50mm power zoom. It is great for a kit lens. Even the 18-55 kit was good, in many respects. So your assertion that half the lenses are substandard may not be accurate.
There are quite a bit of NEX shooters in the U.S. Again, saying that it has not sold well in the U.S. may be an over generalization.
And BTW, Sony is not here to provide a small cheap body (with IBIS) for your Nikon and Canon lenses (although that would be nice). They are here to sell cameras and their lenses. In short, to make money. Can’t fault them for making products that people may actually want (small DSLR shaped bodies). And if their technology improves and new features get incorporated in the A and E mount cameras, so much the better for A/E mount users and future Sony customers.
Thee nex lens linup is not good and never will be.
It is limited to compact lenses to go on compsct cameras.
There are no long lenses.
There are no tele-macros
There are no close focus lenses.
Basically it is a redundant collection of similar normal to wide with a few modest slow teles.
The only good thing about then is the size.
Why on earth would anyone want a nex in a big body that will not use sony alpha lenses.
This camera will only be usefull with canon or nikon lensesI totally cannot understand why sony would make this camera.
Put iut an entry level nex and be done with it!
>The NEX range of lenses is both tiny
tiny? have you bought all of them?
that’s irrelevant for 95% of buyers (most don’t even buy anything 18-55) unless phototrolls persuade them it is.
Dealz off
Long live A-mount
I take back every good thing i said about this camera.
I cant see why anyone would buy it.
It’s small, it has an EVF, it is more than good enough to get people into the NEX system. Hopefully it’s a good performer. Getting people to buy into the E mount system is not a bad thing.
But seriously, why would anybody buy into this system? The size difference compared to Canon 100D won’t be anything to write home about and the 100D has more (and cheaper) lenses and better upgrade path.
And the 100D has in body IS? Oh wait it doesn’t. Yeah there are more lenses… 99.9% of which consumers won’t buy. 50mm, probably. Oh wait, that doesn’t have IS either. 35mm IS f2 – that’s $800 thanks! 10-22mm… Nope no IS there. Kit lens has IS though… Oh wait so does the Sony.
How much is the 100D again? Pretty sure the A58 is cheaper… And this is cheaper again.
I can bet the 20MP sensor is a budget sensor with no phase detection stuff. But the image quality must be great and offset the other shortcomings in order to stand a chance in the market.
Now that’s disastrous, I was hoping I could replace my 500D for this, hoping that I could stabilize my fast lenses, but it’s not. screw that!
Just äs a reminder, Sony has a pretty nice share with it”s video cameras in the lower professional market with the FS Line, based on E-Mount, not A-Mount.
No IBIS! Well, I’m not really happy that I said that before… I wanted it to have it!
“Still valid: The ILC-3000 has a brand new 20.1 Megapixel sensor” – I wonder… are you sure it’s not just the A58’s sensor?
Without IBIS this camera has absolutely no redeeming qualities.
Nex is more compact and offers everything this camera does.
It is not a universal camera and no user of other systems will ever buy it.
This camera will be another financial disaster for sony.
The smartest thing sony can do now is cancel the release of this camera and recycle the parts for scrap.
Hyperbole and bitter disappointment. Not a great combination. In the meantime, Sony will, hopefully, sell a lot of these cameras and get them interested in the whole E mount ecosystem. More customers can lead to better future products. Let’s hope this is a “winner” for Sony.
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Why would anyone buy this rather than an entry level nex?
When I brought my NEX I was the classic buyer. An amateur looking for a camera to take nice pics of my kids. I would have considered this camera because it looks like a DSLR that I thought a DSLR were the best cameras available as most p/s upgraders do but was after mirrorless since I had read it was the future of cameras.
EVF, better ‘more DSLR’ like handling? NEX (like many commenters here are saying) hasn’t gone over that well due to perception that DSLRs are better because they ‘look’ more serious. At its price point (assuming pricing IS correct) it will do just fine.
Sony take note
Compare what people are saying abiut this camera now with what they said when they thought it had IBIS.
People here thought it had IBIS. Sony lost 100 sales.
Yes they will listen to you very carefuly and cancel everything.
I don’t want sony to make the camera of my dream.
—> First i want sony to make profit. Why would i need a camera if the brand go bankrupt?
Let them do their job.
I want them to listem BEFORE turning out crap like this so they wont go bankrupt.
Take the stacked organic sensors off the shelf and put them into a real new camera.
Do it BEFORE the competition instead of waiting until everyone else has it.
I’m actually surprised by the turn-around in the mood here. I guess people really wanted, or didn’t know they wanted, IBIS…
hey were hoping for high grade features for a really low price, which is pretty typical of people
Sony is not taking notes from a message boad on a rumor site.
I’ve got to admit I’m feeling a little relieved now still looking forward to buy a NEX-5T 😉
How anyone can think they put any stabilisation in body when most lenses for e-mount has optical stabilisation? Obviously better sell expensive lenses than one body. Also who in SONY cares, that someone want to use OLD lenses, manufactured by “no-sony”?
Well, the point would be the huge number of cameras they will sell every month if they ever put IBIS on a camera with E-Mount. That combination would make a good platform for essentially ALL lenses. A universal platform would more than make up for the fact that it doesn’t need Sony lenses. In fact, I suspect the increased sales would actually result in more Sony lens sales, even while they sell few lenses per camera.
+ 1000
Maybe so they wouldn’t be stuck with OSS forever. The good thing with Alpha cameras is that you pay for the stabilization once, not each time you purchase a new lens.
Sonys unwavering policy is to promise nothing but major improvements and deliver nothing but minor ones.
This is virtually the same as what sony was selling 4 years ago with just the guts of an old entry level nex in the dress-up body of an old entry level slt.
It’s as if Sony has a subconscious to fail. One step forward, one hundred steps backward.
Why it has black color only?
It should have white and pink color.
Move along folks, nothing to see here… at least for anyone who understands cameras and Sony’s overall lineup. That said, I hope Sony really does price and market this SUPER aggressively… pulling a load of neophytes into the E-Mount fold would increase the market for future lenses dramatically, which could eventually mean those with NEX bodies will start seeing a greater percentage of Sigma’s increasingly-attractive offerings on E-Mount, instead of just Canikon & A-mount.
I hope not.
Anyony who buys this will regret it and never buy another sony.
The only possible strategy to sell this camera is to fool people that dont know much into buying something that is not what they think it is.
Im amazed what a fuss some of you guys are making about a lack of IBIS. I’ve never had a camera with IBIS and I cant say ive ever felt that ive been missing out.
The only reason most alpha users chose sony was the added value of being able to use non image stabilized lenses.
Other than that sony never offered a competitive reason to buy into thier system.
Now we have built up a collection of non stabilzed lenses and our sony lenses cannot be used with this new camera.
I think you should try A57. It is the best camera for the level.
>of being able to use non image stabilized lenses.
how come? they e.g. don’t allow to use ibis for M42 lenses
sigma and tamron lenses for A-mount with OSS cost the same as for nikon and canon mounts. where is the advantage?
“I’ve never had a camera with IBIS and I cant say ive ever felt that ive been missing out.”
That sounds very self-explanatory.
Do you think that people 1000 years ago felt they were missing out on cars ? 🙂
Hmmm … “The camera costs 300 pounds and is aimed to compete against the Canon Rebel series.” … but a Canon 700D is close to 500 pounds, quite another segment.
Only if you are defining a segment by price.
It was quiet obvious. SLT/Mirrorless A-mount with IBIS and Nex/ILCE without. Sony wants to clearly differentiate. That’s why e-mounts have oss.
You guys are funny.
It has not been officially announced and already many of you are negative.
It is a budget <- key word budget, not the successor to the a99.
For the poster who said E-mount has no good lenses, refer to the above line or look at how you are composing your shots.
I now realize how much I want IBIS, which means I won’t be buying any cameras without it.
Mirrorless gives us the opportunity to use older lenses, which is great, but without IBIS, they are less useful.
Maybe it’s time to switch to olympus.
I chose Olympus over Sony after a long internal debate, so I can tell you the pros and cons of each manufacturer.
* Pro-Olympus
IBIS (5-axis on some)
Better out-of-body JPEG
smaller sensor, with great crop factor and IBIS for telephotos
smaller grips (larger ones to come) with some very pocketable bodies
hot shoes on (almost?) all models
great primes
• Pro-Panasonic
better video
smaller sensor, with great crop factor for telephotos
Much better menu system
fast (and expensive) “normal zooms”
The new GX7: tiltable EVF! and IBIS!
fast primes coming up
• Pro-NEX
larger sensor in a body that is not any bigger
smaller crop factor, especially for wide-angle legacies and thinner DOF
better grips
Zeiss!!!
fewer complaints about being overpriced, at least for new models
fewer FF trolls on the forums 🙂
Otherwise, I think we all complain about the same things. The crop factor difference and DOF difference that comes from that is not that much, just 1.33x, but that is a significant difference when using wide-angle manual lenses; if you shoot wide-angles, I’d encourage you to stay with NEX. Otherwise, I’ll see you on the other side! 🙂
if nex-7n has ibis and 24 mp, some of m43 advantages go away:
24 mp on aps-c is almost same pixel pitch as 16 mp on m43.
yet still there is no adapter that would allow for NEX to use m43 lenses (it’s possible, mount allows for it)
there are adapters 😀
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mount-Adapter-For-Olympus-M4-3-M43-Lens-to-Sony-E-NEX-3-C3-F3-NEX-5-5N-5R-DC361-/310732217223?pt=US_Lens_Adapters_Mounts_Tubes&hash=item4859155b87
no real point though, smaller image circle and no AF, maybe not even MF because the lenses are all electronically coupled focusing
“small” image circle? NEX uses the same image circle when writing e.g. 640×480 videos, photos are slightly larger.
If panasonic camera has larger sensor, they call it “multiaspect” sensor.
Are you too retarded to cut off black corners if you don’t like them?
no, i’d be a retard to buy a $400 lens, have no means to focus nor control aperture because its all done by wire, then have to cut off corners from my crappy images.
I get a kick, I really do, out of these “expert” posts from those who state with absolute certainty and conviction that, “If this product doesn’t have this one feature that I personally like and/or want, then it will be no good and will fail in the market!” Especially when, after an earlier rumor that the product would, or might, possibly, maybe have that or another feature, that the product is, in their oh-so-wise market analysis, “The greatest thing to ever come from this manufacturer!”
Now I believe, and it is just my own opinion, and not an expert analysis of the camera market, that as long as this camera does indeed carry a 20+ megapixel APS-C sensor, use E-mount interchangeable lens (many of which have built-in OSS, not unlike Nikon’s line of SLR lens), has a reasonably compact SLR-style body, as well as a number of expected NEX-derived and Alpha-derived features and functions, and is priced below the SLT-A58 (and the Canon SL1 and Nikon D3200), with kit lens, then it will do fairly well with those buyers looking to step up to an interchangeable lens camera with a decent-sized sensor from a compact or – perhaps more importantly in today’s market – a smartphone camera. The only real barrier to many might be the rumored 230K dot LCD display. That is a consumer facing item that many might compare unfavorably to competitors like the Canon SL1 (100D). But to hit an entry-level price point under the SLT-A58, something has to give.
Well, I don’t disagree with you. If we look at it as an NEX-3/5 with an EVF, at about the same price as body-only, of course it will be popular.
But will this model, in the long run, help the NEX line or the Alpha line, or establish a new trend?
I think – again just an opinion – that this is a new trend. I think that Sony may be looking to go entirely mirror-less over the long run. Ultimately, I suspect that SLT was a stop-gap solution to getting better autofocus and simpler construction (less moving parts – no SLR mirror) at the expense of a slight downtick in low-light performance due to light loss in the translucent mirror. They do not want to give up on the A-mount just yet, as much investment and intellectual property culled from Minolta are tied up in it. But a shorter flange distance made possible by the removal of any mirror is likely the future of digital cameras across the board. Unlike Canon and Nikon, Sony is not as married to the traditions of SLR camera thinking.
For the short term, we are likely to have NEX compact mirror less with E-mount, Alpha SLT with A-mount, and this ILCE DSLR-style body mirror-less line with E-mount all at the same time.
I agree that the mirrorless is the future Sony is choosing, which is fantastic in my view, and is confirmed by the mirrorless Alpha rumors. True SLRs’ days are numbered, and they will soon become niche tools, like the Hassies and Technikardans.
I’m just thinking that the first model in the ILC line should have been medium-high end, using specs on par with NEX-7 and a77, which are very well respected, and which would have earned some prestige for the ILC, as an upgrade from compacts and NEX, rather than establishing it as a cheaper, commodified, inferior SLR. It seems foolish and unnecessary to go after Canikon at Rebel’s level; it’s not a battle Sony or anyone can win, nor is there a lot of profit in it.
But, the marketplace works in mysterious ways, and we’ll know in a few months how this sorts out. If the ILC does beat the Rebel, I’ll be as happy as anyone. If the ILC is coming with a new generation of sensors, all the more the better, since that’s where Sony truly shines. If the ILC quickly expands upwards, then I have no worries. (Disclaimer: Although I’m deeply in µ43, I think what is good for NEX/ILC is ultimately good for µ43.)
-in my opinion- the LCD screen may make less of an impact as some may think, when thinking of buying my first camera, things like megapixels, price and size were the more important factors. i think the DSLR shape and price will help in sales, but many still go with the mindset of “if you want a DSLR you get a Canon/Nikon right?” brand-driven kind of purchasing mindset
of course a wiser consumer would look more into the details, only time will tell about whether this is a good move or not for sony
also i’m pretty disappointed that you can’t get 9 fps on these lines, its a great show off feature to have for sony over canon/nikons
Didn’t they say this camera was aimed at beginners? This was never designed enthusiats or for people with a large stable of non stabilized lenses. So not designed for say….. just about anyone who checks sony alpha rumors? So pitchforks down people.
Sony, IBIS is a key feature for me and many other photographers I talk to.
Especially for A-mount, the combination of IBIS and inexpensive but great old Minolta glass makes for a budget setup that is tough to beat.
I was very excited to see this new entry-level E-mount camera with IBIS, as it would show that Sony “gets it” and is committed to IBIS going forward. Hopefully it will remain in A-mount, and maybe even be added to higher-end E-mount bodies.
It has “Anti Motion Blur” and “Image Stabilization” from Lens-based (where applicable)…See Page 4 of leaked specs…sounds like IBIS to me…or hope that it has IBIS anyway 🙂
hopefully! but i dont think its very likely
“lens based (where applicable)” is probably for lenses which don’t have OSS (30 macro, 16 pancake, 20 pancake, etc) probably
The rear LCD shouldn’t affect sales. Most people use the read LCD for menu items and reviewing images. For critical composing there is the EVF and also focus peaking mitigates the lack of res when using the rear LCD for composing with a MF lens.