Digicame-info was able to get more informations about the new roadmap. Here are the lenses:
– XF 16-55mm F2.8
– XF 50-140mm F2.8
– XF 18-135mm F3.5-5.6
– Large-diameter wide-angle lens
– Super-telephoto lens (200mm or more?)
The X30 will come in February/March.
He also confirms what I already told you here: the black X100S will come in January.
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And still no news / leaks of a x pro2?
Why don’t you people endlessly advocating the introduction of an X-Pro2 read Fuji president’s interview where he stated categorically that an X-Pro2 isn’t on the cards in the foreseeable future? Instead Fuji are concentrating on upgrading their flagship X-Pro1 to make it as good as possible within existing parameters!!! Good on you, Fuji.
Uh, yes they are going to make it as good as possible, meaning it will at least have the new processor and phase-detect sensor, and they will have to sell it either as the Pro2 or Pro1S won’t they. Looking at the X-E2, it’s likely going to be the number 2 as well, unlike the X100S that needed to keep the X100 name.
:'(
Je veux un FF 🙁 Fuji.. Allez…
Pourquoi FF? Someone needs to stamp on this ridiculous quest for full frame. The x-series IS FF – FF APS. Does it allow you to create great art? Yes. End of subject.
Absolutely agree. What they have available is wonderful, and cost effective for an amateur. No need to triple the cost of bodies and lenses to meet some perceived need driven by marketing make believe!
“Marketing make believe” lol You obviously don’t understand how sensor size affects the image.
Oh, really? My clients and I must all be wrong then that the images from my X100S are cleaner and superior in every way than comparative images from the Canon FF DSLR. Please, Wesley, explain what it is about our eyes that is functioning incorrectly. And while you’re at it could you also explain exactly how sensor size affects image quality. Sorry, I forgot the obligatory LOL.
And you’re comparing your x100s images to what? You have a 23mm f2.0 on an APS sensor. Why are you putting that up against any Canon full size sensor and any lens combination?
Two simple reasons for using a bigger sensor:
1. Shallower depth of field
2. Wider selection of useful lenses
These things are tools. Remove your emotions from them and you’ll be better because of it.
Wesley
Wow – ok, where do I start?
Comparing the Fuji to a Canon 5d III with 50mm f1.4. Fair comparison I reckon, Fuji wins hands down on sharpness, noise, tonal gradation.
Second, a FF does NOT give you more DOF. f2.8 is f2.8, whether it’s on an APS sensor or a medium format.
Thirdly, in the unlikely event that Fuji release a FF X-series camera you will NOT have a better choice of lenses. You will actually have a more limited range of lenses, at least in the first couple of years. Look how long it takes any camera manufacturer to develop a comprehensive range of lenses.
Finally, where exactly was my response emotional? My comparison of Fuji vs Canon was completely factual. I’m aware these things are just tools – as a pro photographer they pay my mortgage and put food on my table. That’s why I use Fuji. It’s the best tool out there, irrespective of whether it’s APS or FF.
My advice? Stop pixel peeping and thinking that the next great thing will make you a better photographer. Grab an X-Series with it’s tiny, unusable sensor and go and create some art.
“Comparing the Fuji to a Canon 5d III with 50mm f1.4. Fair comparison I reckon, Fuji wins hands down on sharpness, noise, tonal gradation.” Not a fair comparison. They’re very different systems. Not to mention you’re comparing a 50mm 1.4 to 23mm 2.0.
“Second, a FF does NOT give you more DOF. f2.8 is f2.8, whether it’s on an APS sensor or a medium format.” You didn’t read carefully. I said a bigger sensor gives you a more shallow depth of field. Which is a fact. I didn’t understand it at first either, but once I put it in practice it makes perfect sense.
“Thirdly, in the unlikely event that Fuji release a FF X-series camera you will NOT have a better choice of lenses.” You can put just about any lens ever made on mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras with a simple adapter. And if the sensor is full size you can take better advantage of perspective control lenses and fast aperture lenses.
“Finally, where exactly was my response emotional?” You seem very sore that I’ve pointed out that you may not know as much as you think about sensor size and how you can use it effectively; or more importantly selecting the right tool for the job. You went as far as to consider there may be something wrong with your eyes.
“It’s the best tool out there, irrespective of whether it’s APS or FF.” It may be the best tool for what you do, but it is certainly not the best tool. There’s no such thing. That’s a crazy generalization. Sometimes a shovel is the best tool to dig a hole, sometimes it’s a backhoe, sometimes it’s your hand.
“My advice? Stop pixel peeping and thinking that the next great thing will make you a better photographer. Grab an X-Series with it’s tiny, unusable sensor and go and create some art.” I don’t recall any evidence of pixel peeping on my part. I’m actually doing the opposite. Having the sharpest lens or the lowest noise or the best tonal gradations aren’t the most important aspects of an image. I’m pretty sure content is way more important… Especially if you want to toss around the word ‘art’. In the end the tools don’t make you a better photographer, but knowing when to select the right tools for a particular shot will.
Enjoy your day and don’t stress too hard over this stuff.
Wesley
Understanding how sensor size affects the image has nothing to do with my comments. Fuji’s APS sensor is good enough for the vast majority of it’s users. If you are a professional or a well heeled amateur who requires only the best, and can afford it, well good on you.You should pay the price of entry for full frame. There are many amateurs, and professionals, who don’t feel the need to spend thousands or tens of thousands on camera equipment, and working within the “constraints” of APS is not a problem. It is marketing hoopla when it convinces people they “need” full frame because APS is “unusable”. The fact that you can’t see it only proves it is working..
Generalizations and assumptions aren’t viable excuses for not understanding what a particular tool can or can’t do for you.
I don’t pay attention to any marketing from the manufacturers other than to get a good laugh.
BTW Who is claiming APS-C to be unusable?
50-140 f2.8! Bloody hell!
+1 :o)))
+ another 1!
+1!! 🙂
Yess!!! 🙂
Perfect!
Wow!
i don’t believe it until i see it.
Pretty awesome, but I’d love to see Fuji kicking some @ss and offering something zoom in the ultra-fast side like the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8. Can you imagine? One of the very best sensors out there paired with a ultra-fast stabilized zoom?
Or even a f/0.something aperture prime. I’ve seen some (quite a few, actually) f/0.95 primes around. It would be so cool to have one with Fujinon quality in it. 🙂
You should try a 0.95something on a Fuji bevor wishing such a zoom 😉 It would be a monster. Really 🙂
LOL! 😀
I tried my Canon 85 f/1.2 on it. It’s far from comfortable, but the images are STUNNING! Totally worth the weight and size :p
The 50-140mm f/2.8 should be awesome. Hopefully they release it before the 16-55mm f/2.8, as Fuji already has that covered with fast primes.
What does this mean: Large-diameter wide-angle lens ? 77mm diameter, 10mm lens or something like that ? And why – the 10-24 is on the way.
Could be a 10mm f/2.8 for people who aren’t interested in a zoom and it could be smaller by quite a lot, just see the new Samyang 10mm lens.
A 10mm would be awesome. But F4 is fast enough for me. Just make it as small as possible.
I sold my x pro 1 and all my prime lenses to going back FF with a 6D.
I regret it so much…. i’m gonna wait for the next release and then, go back to fuji.
i was so peassed off to see the X-deal and stuff and thinking hey, you are a portraitist, you need a FF and F1,2. Still the case, but honestly, i don’t any pleasure with my DSLR, 10 years of this job and the fuji x pro 1 changed my statement, in 6 month.
It is so regrettable that fuji can’t adapt their lenses for a FF camera…
aye I was going to go FF but then I saw the X-M1.
I knew from then on that I didn’t need FF since I could get amazing IQ and bokeh in something lightweight.
Do you really regret it? 6D’s a good camera and good Canon L lenses let in so much light. You can do some great work with a 6D. I’m contemplating one too, now that the price has come down, but I don’t like lugging gear around, esp. since I’m just an “enthusiast.” What I love about the Fujis is the small size and the great colors, even the JPEGs. I feel more inspired with the Fujis, and I do like the retro look. But the 6D is very capable, and you can do nice video with it.
XF 16-55mm F2.8:
This would be quite a feat, especially if they give it stabilization, good image quality, and a reasonable size. No one has, as of yet, pulled of a zoom with as long of a range as 16-55 f/2.8.
Canon has the 17-55 f/2.8 IS, and Nikon has the ancient 17-55 f/2.8 (no stabilization). Sigma has the 17-50 f/2.8 OS. Sony and Pentax/Tokina have their 16-50 f/2.8 designs with in-body stabilization.
XF 50-140mm F2.8
This would also be quite a feat – the only contenders in this category are the very old Pentax/Tokina 50-135 f/2.8, and the new Sigma 50-150 f/2.8 OS, which has outstanding image quality but is as big as a full frame 70-200. If Fuji can create this lens with stabilization and keep the image quality high and the size small, they would have a real winner on their hands.
Well, Nikon 17-55 is a monster size wise, and Canon’s 17-55 is a large lens too (although not as heavy as the Nikon’s counterpart) but lets not forget that Canon only need to cover 1.6 crop, not 1.5 crop like Nikon/Fuji. My assumption is that that the new weatherproof body will be larger/heavier and these new zooms will be designed with idea to balance on this new larger body, as for the existing E class and M/A class, it will be more for balancing with the primes.
Wouldn’t a XF 16-55mm F2.8 R OIS be equivalent to a 24-82.5mm and thus more comparable with Canon’s expensive ($2,300) beast EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM (no IS)? The Canon lens weighs in at nearly 1.8 pounds. Add a 5D3 digital back and you’re pushing 4 lbs over your shoulder.
what about if that roadmap had only FF zooms en new FF primes? I don’t care I like my new X-E2 14mm and 55-200 mm a lot…
glad i sold my 18-55, 16-55/2.8 sounds like a winner with 50-140 as a portrait lens for me. if these come through, i may get rid of my m43 kit altogether.
X-Pro2
16-55 f2.8 IS
50-140mm f2.8 IS
56mm f1.2
14mm f2.8
Better flash with TTL
That’s all I’ll ever need.
I can’t forget a 1:1 macro too.
X30 apsc f2.8 fixed lens? That would be nice…
Isn’t it a 1 inch sensor with zoom lens (assuming equivalent same range as X10/X20) if they can keep it to 2.8 on the long end, it would be ideal.
No, Fuji has never used a 1″ sensor on any of these cameras. They have been 2/3″ which is basically half the size of a 1″ sensor.
previous rumors where about an 1″ sensor
The market (ok, and myself) had been waiting for this X30 with a better sensor (1″ at least), faster and broader fixed zoom lens 24-120 @ constant 2.0, better e-viewfinder, and even better overall experience for a long time now.
We’ve just been expecting an affordable X100S with a fixed Zoom Lens, that leave the competition (RX 100…) behind for a while.
No chance – X30 with an APSC sensor would be an X100 with a zoom.
My wish(es) for X30: 1″ sensor, same 28-112mm(eq), f2-2.8 range (expect a bit larger lens though, to match 1″ sensor), EVF (eliminating the rear bump on X10/20 to accommodate the OVF), and finally a just touch cleaner/sharper design (think X-M1).
I would be quite happy if the X30 has a 1″ sensor, a 9-45mm f/2.8-4.0 lens (~ 24-120mm equivalent) and an EVF with a weight of around 450 gram.
Bonus if the battery can be charged through USB. IS required and it must have thread for filters. And I’d love to see an aperture ring on the lens, a dial for selecting ISO and a dial for +/- 3EV compensation.
Would make my perfect travel camera 🙂
As for the f/2.8 zooms, they’ll be too big for my liking; I really like the zoom ranges, just wished they had chosen f/4.0 to allow for smaller lenses. I don’t need f/2.8 for low light (thanks to Fuji’s excellent hi-iso) and if I want shallow depth of field I’ll take a prime anyway (f/2.8 is hardly sufficient).
Quite right: larger sensor and (presumably) better sensitivity would compensate for f/2.8-4.0 so that would be a good tradeoff if retaining compact design is a goal (and it should be for X30). DOF control aside, APS-C or FF with fast primes is a must for that anyway.
USB charging would be great, along with longer battery life.
But if they change only one thing, I vote for EVF and “slimmer” eye cap design (like on X-E). OVF is fun to have, but total overkill for a compact zoom camera IMO, with range of problems – mainly parallax error, much less than 100% coverage and obstructed corner at wide angle.
Are they weather sealed? Let’s hope the constant aperture zooms have an f stop markings on the aperture ring. I do hope the 18-135 is small enough to be a good travel lens. Otherwise this lens lineup pretty much covers everything I need.
And maybe the X30 might turn out to be my perfect travel camera if the rumours about 1 inch sensor and EVF is true.
weather sealed? I really think they are… if not all, at least some of them. It wouldn’t make sense to bring out a weather sealed camera (it will come) and don’t have weather sealed lenses.
I suppose that on January 6th we will know much more.
I’m guessing that those constant aperture Zoom will be weather sealed, this way those people rushing and complaining about a weather sealed camera without lens will just vanish. I mean, why would Fuji launch a weather sealed camera without thinking about the lenses? Have you not learned anything with what Fuji has been doing?
How great is this lens line up for a 2 years old system?
Great lens lineup. If the 18-135 is weather sealed as well, my Pentax system will be gone – just the perfect walk-around lens. I assume that the 2.8 lenses definitely will be weather-sealed.
I was hoping for such a mirrorless system with Pentax – but then the K-01 and nothing more came…
Glad to see that Fuji goes full speed on the lens system. Yup, that list are sufficient and another prime that covers 135mm will make photog happy. What Fuji is really lacking is the flash system that supports E-TTL, high speed sync, faster sync speed than 1/160s, ability to use off-camera with wireless remote triggers. The existing EF-42 is lame, out-dated, mostly manual. I continue watching Fuji but won’t invest my $$$ until i can shoot Fuji with flash the way I do with Canon DSLR system. x100s is the only camera that fits my shooting style right now.
Agreed. I own EF-42 and although this little flash is quite powerful but it does not do much except manual off camera. There is no Fuji built-in sync cord that I can use for off-camera flash. When Fuji flash can work with standard radio trigger system like PocketWizard, radioPopper, etc., then I will definitely get rid of my DSLR.
I dont have EF42 flash but considering one, because my EF20 flash is just too inadequate. How is EF42 in regular TTL mode – decent?
David: on-camera TTL mode is decent with direct or bounce. However, you will need to live with the limited 1.5 EV exposure compensation. Surprisingly, Canon OC-E3 cable at least works for off-camera use although this cable is not cheap $70 either 🙁
Btw, the flash is still awkwardly bulky on a XPro1 body.
The Vello ‘off brand’ Canon Cord works TTL with the 42 just fine.
I do agree though about flash in general with Fujifilm. It’s lack of features is one of more than a few reasons I have kept my Nikon D800e. The CLS is just plain great.
The lens map is very interesting an I too am happy to have sold my 18-55 zoom.
The 56 1.2 is now lower down my desire list with the advent of the 50-140 2.8.
WOW – what a system we have now and coming.
I am nikon photographer and i can working with SB900, SB 700 with PocketWizard MiniTT1 , FlexTT5 and AC3 ZoneController .
I have the XE 2 and now i working with pocketwizzard system and SB900 and i can control manual with the ac3 the power of the flash . So not TTL but i change the power of any nikon flash manual from my XE 2 very happy
Ciao Studioleica,
Thanks for the cool hint on the Pocketwizards and the new AC3. That AC3 is real making life easier.
Thanks for the info on PW. Yup, looks like the Canon version of PW with latest firmware will work for Fuji X-system in MANUAL mode. This forum thread is a good place to start.
http://www.fujixseries.com/discussion/comment/23432
I’ve been using on and off-camera 580EX flash using FlexTT5 & AC3 combo and I definitely love and cannot live without E-TTL mode. And if your shooting style is just pure Manual, you’re fine. Hopefully, Fuji will invest its R&D to its flash system.
Fuji needs also a 1:1 macro!
Why would you buy an expensive genuine macro lens? I believe there are many great manual focus 1:1 on the used market, aren’t there? Then a cheap adapter would do the magic.
Or do you need autofocus for macro shots?
I don’t know about Andy, but here are couple of reasons I would like a native macro:
-focus wide open, then automatically stop down when you take the picture
-get EXIF data
-for lenses without manual aperture adjustment, I think you only get very crude adjustment of your aperture?
-most of the older lenses you would use are 35mm, so relatively larger and heavier, and not optimized for digital (don’t know how much difference the latter makes, though)
There are probably others, those come to mind immediately. It seems the main reason people seem to like using old lenses and adapters is cost?
And a 85/2.0 or something like that!
I’ll be hard pressed not to enter the x system after this release. I’ve been patiently waiting for an xpro2 but I have a gut feeling it may not arise for a while and as a ff camera. If this new Fuji has a flip touch screen there is absolutely no doubt that I’ll be buying it, though.
16-55, f2,8 IS : YES!
This roadmap looks really impressive and will attract many customers requiring a setup sealed from the elements smaller and lighter than cannikon, that’s if these are the sealed lenses.
Most of my needs are covered now by Olympus but I have a seriuos soft spot for fuji X and x-trans.
These will most likely be the weather sealed lenses and the equivalents to Olympus’ s recently anounced Pro line of lenses to coincide perhaps with this soon to be announced weather sealed Fujica body that supposedly has a larger and better evf and even better AF than the x-e2.
If the 18-135 is weather sealed I may be interested in this lens + Fujica to replace my x-e1/18-55 combo provided that the wide diameter wide angle lens is weather sealed, since Fuji didn’t deliver that with the 10-24 and all I wanted from Fuji was a relatively light, high iq UWA weather sealed body/lens combo to compliment my Oly setup.
Fuji sealed body and sealed 18-135, sealed 10 f2.8 prime, my 35 f1.4 and Olympus got me covered with the em1 and all other lenses and I’m totally covered otherwise I’ll sell off my x-e1 and two lenses and buy a x100s and game over.
85 f2? That would be delicious actually.
Some creamy x-trans bokeh at f2 I imagine.
This map looks like desired things became a real things, but in real world it is not so.
I think that the 18-135 could had been a f/4 instead of f/3.5~5.6 or would it be too large? Maybe a 18-105 f/4 then?
Does someone know the physics to tell how much larger a constant f/4 would be?
I don’t think this road map is correct. Fuji wants a small and light weight system.
I don’t even think the 18 – 135mm makes sense.
All of these lenses are too larger. Sure people want them. Only a quarter would ever actually buy them though, then complain about the weight.
I think a 85/90mm F2 and a 16-65/70 f4 would pretty much complete this system as a whole(meaning a complete line up).
After that, if they want to bring out speciality lenses like the 16-55 2.8, 50-140 2.8 fine.
After the superb primes, the constant aperture lense!. Fuji is doing a great job developing the x-system. After all the hype about the new sony cameras, this is as serious as it gets to building a system that can replace the dslr for most users, amateurs and pros. I hope the new lenses are weather sealed. Although this is not paramount for me, Fuji needs to attract more pros and get the system established as being rock solid like the such of nikon, canon, olympus etc… After a shaky start with the slow af and small lens lineup that got Fuji a lot of bad press, I hope the influential people in the industry will start to see what a great job Fuji is doing. I sold all my Nikon full-frame stuff to go over to fuji and I’m glad I did!
“…..Large-diameter wide-angle….”
Is it like nikon 14-24?
If we’re talking about speciality lenses I’d rather have a tilt-shift than a macro – a low-weight high quality weather sealed tilt shift from Fuji at around 1500 USD would hit the spot.
Regarding whether or not the zooms are needed, I’d argue that the 16-55 is really more of a convenience than a need, since a) we have the excellent 18-55 and b) I’ve never seen the need for a zoom when the 23mm and 35mm basically cover that entire range – give or take a few steps in the right direction :). I’d rather have the 50-140 come out first – the equivalent lens to the widely used 70-200 28 IS.
Nice line up of pro level fast zooms coming up! My guess is that they should have lens stabilization built in.
X30… curiously interesting as I once owned a X10 and I liked how the X20 improved.. I wonder what else is new and improved in an X30? I think a constant aperture throughout the zoom range would be great… it seems to be the trend with a lot of the newest compact do it all in one camera like the Sony RX10 and Olympus Stylus 1.
Hmm.. A new black X100S? I hope they don’t make a stupid move and mark up at least $500 just to get the same X100S camera in black like they did with the old one… otherwise, you could do almost as well with the price reduced older black X100 with lens hood and case and limited edition.
With the latest firmware update to the older X100, it sounds nearly as good, performance-wise, to the current X100S camera.
I think the main “downgrades” to owning the older X100 as oppose to the new X100s are:
1) You will get slight lower megapixel count and less sharp images because it still has the low pass filter.
2) Also, the X100 has lower res EVF and rear LCD (not sure if that’s been improved since?)
3) No MF assist such as split-image, though you will have focus peaking now since the latest firmware update.
4) No Phase Detect AF… I doubt that both X100 and X100S should be used for any fast action photography anyways, but it may simply be faster and more accurate in the general AF department… not sure how that aspect compares to the latest firmware update for the X100 which supposedly has made the AF (&MF) even faster and accurate than ever?
As with the new weather-sealed X camera that’s based on the Fujica style of camera. That looks promising with all the new features. If it holds up well and true to the vintage slr-look it is supposedly inspired from, I think it may be a nice alternative to the Nikon Df. Sure, it ain’t full frame, but the Fuji APS-C X-Trans sensors are pretty damn good in their own right.. I think if they nail the style and in particular the size and proportions of this new camera just right.. actually small and compact much closer to a true film camera, then it will be extremely hot! I think Fuji can do it!
But, this begs maybe another question, will this new X camera that’s Fujica-styled, be the new flagship?.. Maybe no more X-Pro 1 (or whatever number)?
I mean most news suggest no new X-Pro 1 successor in the near future and they want to keep upgrading the old one (the only X-Pro camera, that is).. which is fine, but maybe it’s because they don’t plan to have a new X-Pro rangefinder-style camera?
To be honest, I really love the X-Pro 1, but it has it’s shortcomings and issues… You really can get the best out of the X-E2 for that type of camera at present.. the OVF is pretty cool in the X-Pro 1, but to be honest, it’s not much use and not really practical.. if you want to take a proper photo and be sure you frame your shot just right (and be able to check exposure and focus), you really should stick to using the EVF which is why the X-E2 is probably the best most practical of the X rangefinder-style cameras… has everything the X-Pro 1 can do, but costs less and nothing extra you don’t need or can live without.
Don’t get me wrong, I welcome a new and improved X-Pro 1, but I’m wondering how will it be that much better than the X-E2? or, the new Fujica-styled weather sealed X-Camera?.. other than some “gimmicks” like the OVF which adds a few $100 and honestly isn’t quite better to use in practice than an EVF? They’d have to really up the sensor capabilities and IQ and throw in every single bells and whistles to make it shine above anything else. I’d like to think they can get truly fast and accurate AF and maybe if there’s a way they can make the OVF REALLY ACCURATE (as rangefinder VF’s go with unavoidable parallax correction), then maybe it will be something really cool, outstanding and special and make one go wow!
Anyways, a lot of exciting news on the horizon and can’t wait to see the facts start pouring in in the next couple of months.
The issue for me is that I have an XE1 waiting and waiting and waiting for xpros xpro2 prefer the size to the xe1. Fuji doesn’t give roadmaps or details of the xpro (new) if I knew I would replace the xe1 with xe2. But cant make decision. Shame on you fuji. Give us the roadmap so we can make our minds up and give you some of our hard worked moneys. If don’t get the answer soon will keep the xE1 with one of the lenses sell the rest and move on and do something stupid like getting the D800e. This marketing secrecy is not a positive thing. Fuji has an edge and should capitalize with the xpro new release. Not a professional I do portraits and street photos love the lenses but not quite sure about fuji playing right with its marketing for me with an old flagship. to me it has to react before it looses ground. Telling us that lenses are limited and cannot be used on FF is also something im forced to consider in investing in more X lenses. I love the system the camera I have but somehow im disappointed in wanting to upgrade but cant. I will wait till feb and see.