Small update on the NEX-FF photocamera rumor:
Now we have three sources saying that Sony scheduled a big event for autumn. And the chance is high that we are talking about an official High Quality NEX-FF camera release. I am still working on the camera specs and first Zeiss lens info. What I also “heard” is that the first Sony NEX-FF photocamera will also feature an on sensor stabilization. This would be the first NEX camera featuring that. And honestly I dind’t think that IBIS would be possible on a FF E-mount. Anyway, while these rumors are coming from good sources I still advice you to keep feet on ground. We all need to see a clear evidence to be sure of the announcement. The best one would be an image of the camera….you have one to share? 🙂
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IBIS from olympus?
Ohh…I think that would be nice, but if it is true the camera will be expensive as hell 😮
Sure. Even Andrea reminded us every time this will be expensive. And I don’t think it will be otherwise.
I got an update. it’s not thaaaaaaat expensive. It’s cheaper than I was hoping for.
You hoped for an expansive FF nex? Can you please please concretize the rumors about the prize.
working on it. I got the price in an Asian value. Not in Dollars. So I am not sure about the conversion.
SAR always keeping us believing on Sony… but Sony always take care of destroy that believe.
Keep the good work Andrea.
if only the IBIS can work in video mode, if not I then prefer OSS
Does the a99 support ibis in video mode?
no it does not, digital crop for stabilization
“Ideas about putting SSS and full frame into such a NEX are wishful thinking, unless the camera was to be huge and the possibility of the lens mount innards shadowing part of the image was accepted. There’s just enough room to fit a full frame sensor, and no more.”
– from a well written article by David Kilpatrick
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2012/08/19/should-nex-go-full-frame/
Well that would be a very positive if true, and make the camera more appealing.
If the new CZ 50 1.4 is any indication on what new direction Sony is headed as far as pricing, then this new FF NEX will quite overpriced.
i don’t think it’s real IBIS, I think it’s digital stabalisation “pixelwise” in cropped video mode, like on other cameras. that’s what i think.
If it’s effective, than why not. Just hope Sony makes the sensor bigger instead of cropping it from ordinary sensor.
digital stabilization would work for video (by comparisons between frames), but i’m not sure how it’d work for still photos.
5-axis olympus IBIS hopefully
i think it means that too, besides the video camera nex can get hard vinyetting with some full frame lenses already.
With which lenses ? Do you have links to any examples ?
On sensor stabilization. Well it would sure be nice to get rid of all the mechanics and do it digital. Lets assume they could read out the semsor really fast (that would be good for autofocus too, see Olympus FAST) than they could read serveral times during an image capture and combine this “movie” to one deblurred image. Olympus manages 120fps for their autofocus system, that would mean 3 shots for 1/30 or 12 shots for 1/10 – I have no idea if this is enough, but I like the idear.
All digital ibis could happen and easily fit the next body design by using accelerometers. It is the future of stabilization IMO.
NEX FF
what FF mean ?
High prices…
… and big lenses. But for bokeh people would sell their gran I’m afraid.
Why do you believe that the lenses will be big? Look at the lenses for M mount either from Leica, Zeiss or Voigtlander or Contax (Zeiss). There’s no mirror, flange is much shorter therefore lenses can be smaller. Sure, if you add AF motor and all the other stuff the size will grow but why not implement motor into the body to keep lenses small?
because the camera would be huge. the size of an SLT. It would make no sense.
I believe that IBIS, the way Sony does in their Alpha camera’s, needs to know the properties of the lens in use. i.e. wide angle, normal, telephoto. The camera must make electrical connection with the lens to read that information. NEX camera’s forte is that that we can use legacy lenses. The camera will not be able to communicate with legacy lenses. Perhaps “pixelwise” stabilization will work legacy lenses? That would be cool.
The A mount implementation works with every lens. It is true however that it can be slightly less effective if there is no electrical connection and thus the camera has no knowledge about which FL is being used. IIRC it defaults to 50mm in that case. In theory, that could be easily fixed by allowing user input, manually entering the FL of the lens.
Olympus cameras simply allow you to set the focal lens of a legacy lens in the menu, ensuring correct stabilization.
Even better if they can make an adaptive IS. No input is needed, the camera literally learn from experience.
It will be such as shame if they don’t offer this.
Such a small firmware feature for such a big benefit
Hopefully with Sony’s offer to make the spec of the E-mount public, they now 3rd party lenses and adapted lenses as a positive part of the NEX system and add this feature to cater for them.
Admin,
Is it Zeiss lens (like Touit) or Sony/Zeiss lens? Thanks.
For videography but that would require such massive processing we’d be left to question if it could manage other high-processing needs simultaneously…things like: 60p, [much less higher framerates], and 4-2-2 8-bit [much less 10-bit], and *not heating up*, and simultaneous focus-tracking, simultaneous photo-capture during video shooting, and… you get the idea. It would also require a FF lens for the spare room, much like a T/S lens, but it would also put-out only a non-FF cropped result (though that’s not necessarily so bad with video, but you do lose some DOF, and a new virtual lens focal-length needs to be accounted for, etc.).
For photography there’s the issue that, as tharwan rightly addressed above, it would seem to need to work via comparison of multiple images taken…That means phantom images would need to be taken, either by:
(A) a continuous-image taking mode wherein the camera continually takes images and the shutter merely serves to dictate which moment is permanently captured [but then, see the issues of videography above, only magnified in some areas such as the need for greater resolution than video, creating similar heating issues as well as power-drain but this time in a field that normally doesn’t face such continual burn of their equipment ‘candle’, and and the outputting of multiple formats simultaneously–both JPEG and RAW–etc.] ….or:
(B) breaking down the moment of image-capture in the manner tharwan suggests, naturally not only demanding much of the same horsepower as above, but also placing restrictions on the effective shutter-speed, flash-sync, etc.
that is not a problem. current arm based cpu’s have a processing power that is at least the triple of the bionz cpu. also consume equal or less amount of power.
IBIS is grest news we now hsve a real high quality universal camera.
I would hsve liked to see a new tech sensor rather than Cmos but cant have evrything.
Looking forward to specs.
Also wondering if some of the new technology non-Cmos sensors are in the near future.
This camera will be a huge success for sony.
Micro 3/4 was intended to be a universal camera but has not been a huge success.
This will be.
shut up and take my money
Any IBIS love for APS-C E-Mount? :-/
dont worry, it might eventually trinkle down to APS-C cameras
when?
yesssssss, this is a move in the right direction 😀 haters and poor people all be like “that %%%% so expensive yo” but the RX1 was awesome
i’m gonna see how this FF NEX turns out to be, I want to keep the RX1 because its so small and simple, but interchangable is nice, can’t wait!
They don’t do that. There is a OSS in sony-E lenses.
Damn it, if it costs half of a Leica, this is totally going to be my next camera body. Just got a F3 and I’m in awe. Really looking foward to it, even if it costs half a Leica.
Same. If it lives up to the hype, this camera will be my last body purchase for a long long time, so money isn’t an issue.
If Sony brings a FF NEX, with metal, weathersealed body and IBIS, it could very well be the “last” camera I’d ever buy.
why is this such an awesome thing? We already have alpha full frame why do you all want a new mount? There’s plenty of amazing full frame cameras to choose from ie Nikon, Canon, Sony A99. This is just a new format to have to buy thousand$ more in lenses. There’s plenty of good lenses? What gives?… are you having a hard time taking pictures with 1600 ISO? Im a sucker too for a new cam just trying to figure out when it all stops and we are happy with what we got.
Because the E mount is 18mm deep, and can accept any interchangeable lens that came before it; essentially a universal back. So if you already have thousands of dollars worth of lenses in any other system, the E mount can use them. The more utility Sony gives this system, the better.
its about having the ability to pocket a high quality camera which is equal to or surpasses the image quality and features of higher end DSLRs from canon/nikon/A99, while being smaller in size, its still a camera, yes, but it will have more features. its not for everybody, and not everyone is willing to put out the money for it, but its a breakthrough nevertheless
its like installing a fast processor in a laptop when everyone is still bogged down by their desktops
I hope IBIS (5 axis or less) is not what was so exciting, because that would be a huge letdown. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see IBIS if it worked well; however, it’s not that exciting. All of my NEX lens, except the CZ 24/1.8, are image stabilized already. Whether it’s in the lens or body is of no concern to me. From what I understand, in-lens IS works better anyway.
Come on, if there is something new and exciting, let us know.
I hope IBIS (5 axis or less) is not what was so exciting, because that would be a huge letdown. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see IBIS if it worked well; however, it’s not that exciting. All of my NEX lens, except the CZ 24/1.8, are image stabilized already. Whether it’s in the lens or body is of no concern to me. From what I understand, in-lens IS works better anyway.
Come on, if there is something new and exciting, let us know.
I hope IBIS (5 axis or less) is not what was so exciting, because that would be a huge letdown. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see IBIS if it worked well; however, it’s not that exciting. All of my NEX lens, except the CZ 24/1.8, are image stabilized already. Whether it’s in the lens or body is of no concern to me. From what I understand, in-lens IS works better anyway.
Come on, if there is something new and exciting, let us know.
In general, I think lens based IS works better though I believe that Olympus 5 axis IBIS matches the lens based IS normally in performance. I think the benefit of camera based IS comes into play if you want to use adapted lens from other camera systems or native system lenses that don’t have IS. In general, Zeiss doesn’t put in IS in their lenses as I think they believe it slightly lowers optical performance.
Stabilized NEX and Alpha mount adapter, and I’m sold. Toss in a speedbooster with electrical connection and I’m oversold. That said, I will probably wait for the 7 and not the 9 (Sony FF is a bit overpriced for me).
They should make a speed booster for medium format lenses on FF NEX, wouldn’t it be awesome!
Regarding the space available in the “Actual” Nex mount…
If “mechanical” IBIS is integrated in this FF Nex…
I am afraid it will be completely new and non “retro compatible” mount.
Perhaps, they just call it Nex…
But I am afraid that we will end-up with similar approach (even worst) than the Canon EF/EF-S system.
If the FF-NEX is still e-mount, then can my Nikon F adapter still work on it and allow FF resolution?
yep
Sounds very good Andrea!
Then it is really E-mount.
– Same flange distance (18mm)
– Same bayonet and diameter
– Same contact pins
Are E-mount APS-C lenses able to be mounted on FF Nex mount?
Are E-mount FF able to be mounted on APS-C Nex mount?
Well, maybe it could. But that is very much up to the adapter design. IF it has been designed for an APS sensor it may well block light need for an FF sensor.
NEX-FF IBIS – i said it weeks ago.
(patting myself on the back)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/horowitz.jpg
you were right. More NEX_FF info coming soon 😉
Cyrus,
When mounting a full-frame lens on an aps-c body, it will work fine but there is a crop magnification factor. In this case it is 1.5x, so a 50mm lens becomes a 75mm lens – all at full resolution of the sensor so it can be helpful if you need to shoot at long focal lengths.
When mounting an aps-c lens on a full frame body, the resolution will be reduced because only an aps-c sized portion of the sensor is being utilized. So a 24mp sensor will only output around 10mp. Depth of field is also reduced. Check the comments on the prior post on sar for an in-depth discussion on the math of it.
Not all camera makers have included the capability to use aps-c lenses on full frame bodies. Canon full frame bodies do not support Ef-s lenses while Nikon bodies do support both fx and dx lens lines (with an aps-c crop mode).
I know the camera is going to be expensive, but if this rumour turns out to be true I will now probably be willing to pay that expense.
Hoping above all, that they then add the tiny firmware feature that lets us specify the focal length for adapted lenses.
Some of the E-mount lenses already lack stabilisation, so this would help those and maybe we’ll start to see two diverging sets of lenses:
– stabilised in lens for video
– not stabilised but able to be smaller (and a little cheaper) for stills
Then let’s all dream about an APS_C Nex with Ibis…(Pana did It !!!)
Is Sony able to sacrifice already existing lenses with OSS…
To allow us to take full advantage of 3rd partner lenses (Sigma, Zeiss… without OSS).
Unfortunately… Will not jump to FF Nex…
But I will jump on the first APS-C Nex with IBIS.
-> Nex7 replacement?
From mirrorless Rumor
Strong indications about the NEX-FF release…
I keep receiving info on the new Sony NEX-FF system. It definitely has E-mount, and all current E-mount lenses will work in crop mode (cool!). There will be a couple of new FF lenses at launch. And all of them will be priced above $1,000.
It looks like Sony pushed hard on that project. Most of their new tech will be sued by the new NEX-FF. Which means new sensor, new AF system, new EVF an so on. Sounds like this will be the first “professional” mirrorless system.
Sony should have had IBIS on all NEX bodies——this was one of Sony’s biggest mistakes. Especially since they had the technology via Minolta.
Both Nikon and Canon don’t have it (IBIS), which means they have to build it into every lens—that means extra costs. Yes, both can absorb this extra cost, both are profitable and have economy of scale.
Look at Olympus, they are free to design lenses without the extra costs of stabilization—yes, their prices are on par with Canikon, but at least they are making more on their lenses.
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