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Most of you don’t like it but many of you need it and will have to do it: Photoshop CC is now available for a $19 monthly subscription fee at Adobe US, BHphoto, Adobe Germany, Adobe UK, Adobe FR, Adobe IT, Adobe Sweden.
Yeah a lot of money 🙁
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“Yeah a lot of money 🙁 ”
True. $19 is only when you enter in to a yearly contract.
$30 for month-to-month!
There is no way I will pay a monthly subcription to just RENT PS CS6 for £17.58 per month here in the UK!!!
OK. That’s $20.00 minus a penny per month, IF:
1) you commit to an annual contract AND IF
2) you qualify as a currently enrolled student or currently employed teacher.
Otherwise, $50 minus a penny per month!
No. Wrong. Incorrect. You don’t even try to get this right, do you?
These figures are without being a teacher, student, etc. at all:
$20 = Adobe Photoshop
$30 = Adobe Creative Suite
$50 = Adobe Master Suite (the whole shebang–everything she makes)
or…much less if you’re a student/teacher…and a good deal less for a good while if you’re a current owner upgrading to CC.
A monthly charge and no Linux support. They can go &^%$ themselves.
I own CS6 and as much as I use Photoshop for some of my production services for my clients, I won’t have to subscribea——and won’t.
It seems that the following saying is true: “absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Subscrobia*
Add to the monthly charge that Adobe own the rights to your pics, so that, should you wish to exit, you can’t take your work with you. It is all theirs/gone! Talk about getting locked in!
Really? Got a link to back that up?
You have no idea what you are talking about. You have all your apps and pictures/videos locally (not in the cloud). It is only checking over the internet that you have a valid subscription running. It is possible to save to the cloud as well, but I am not using that option at all.
As previously mentioned, thats not true. If you read the T&Cs yes they do get rights for “Shared” images i.e. images you ask them to share through their Cloud, but they need that as your authorization to share involves reproduction. Simply dont share your images though your cloud account if you dont like it. All of your data is stored on your local machine or in the cloud, whichever YOU choose. Your computer just checks with their servers every 99 days (if you’re on the annual subscription) to renew the lease but other than that any interaction between you and adobe is at your discretion.
Another thing people seem to have forgotten is that all updates are available immediately at no additional cost, if they release a new LightRoom or photoshop or whatever you get it straight away with no change to your subscription amount.
If you add up what you get its actually a serious bargain. I’ve been subscribed since it was released and dont regret it at all.
After buying Photoshop CS5 and update to CS6, buying photoshop ends here for me. Adobe may float alone in the cloud. I neither want to be in the cloud of the NSA servants nor do I want to pay the exaggerated prices.
You can download the full apps, Mr. Brilliant. If you don’t want the various Cloud services [a pity for your clients] you don’t ever have to use them.
You can download the full apps, Mr. Brilliant. If you don’t want the various Cloud services [a pity for your clients] you don’t ever have to use them.
Go back to adobe headquarters you S spy
You got me. Everyone who plays with a brain is a corporate spy.
I have the cs6 – and when that won’t work anymore i’ll switch to something else. More than enough alternatives. I’ll have to do more myself – so be it. Adobe wants this to happen, it seems.
why all the hate? You can keep upgrading normally, or you can enter into a subscription model if you tend to upgrade all the time anyways. I pay 30/month (you can find deals from time to time) for CS, and it works on 2 computers, all the apps + content is stored locally. Sure, it is a lot of money, but considering the price of purchasing it instead, not bad.
If you can find free or very cheap solution to replace all these apps, good luck.
I have to correct myself; looks like photoshop will only be available as a subscription going forward. A bit odd, guess some people will choose to stay on cs6.
WTF Adobe you greedy basterds! 17.58£ in UK, 24,59€ in Germany, 19.99$ in USA.
No way that I’m paying here 25 euros!
You feel like an idiot buying stuff in Europe.
When I bougt a NEX F3 double zoom kit in Japan, I could sell both lenses on ebay and still go positive while keeping the body 😀
Access to my files is the primary reason I am not subscribing. I save a copy of my Photoshop files with the layers intact so I can go back and re-edit from where I left off. I may re-edit as I learn more or have a different idea of what my image should look like. By saving the file with the layers intact my re-edit could be as simple as an opacity adjustment on a single layer. Regardless, I want the option of not having to start over again if I no longer rent Photoshop.
Conclusion: Photoshop is a useless software I can’t guarantee that I’ll be able to edit those layers in the future.
I cannot think of even a contrived scenario wherein what you *seem* to be saying cannot be done exactly the same with CC. You apparently do not understand CC. Nothing happens in the cloud that you do not want. The Cloud is an extension, not a replacement. You download full versions of the programs from the Internet rather than from a CD. When they run…they do not run differently unless you are using a special extension. Even then you do, optionally, decide to use various *additional* cloud-only features…it’s no different than using any other web-based kit. It changes exactly nothing about your program and your program files. You can save whatever you want however and wherever you want. Why is this so confusing?
You do not understand. You keep paying monthly and in the end you do not own the product. And after splurging $1200 you have no access to your files because your CC won’t work.
Mark, he clearly explained that you are way off base with your strange ideas about file-ownership, and you failed to acknowledge that and come up with some other excuse why you don’t like it instead.
Fine, if you don’t like the subscription model, by all means, don’t get it, but stop spreading misinformation.
Tom S wrote:
“Mark, he clearly explained that you are way off base with your strange ideas about file-ownership, and you failed to acknowledge that and come up with some other excuse why you don’t like it instead.”
I think what he means is if you use Photoshop CC your files will no longer be totally readable in an older version of Photoshop. The features added after CS6 will make those PSD files diverge. I think you will be able to read them but not edit those new features. Adobe has not made this clear but they have said that there will be incompataibility — as there has been all along with Photoshop if you try to read PSD files on earlier versions than they were created on and you used new features.
After renting for years, you still have nothing to show for it and would have to drop back to any Photoshop you owned before you started. It will not be possible to buy the Photoshop that you were using in CC.
Tom, you misunderstand Marks point.
• You subscribe to CC & have lots of PSD files you created.
• Your subscription ends (perhaps you can no longer afford it)
• You CANNOT OPEN any of your PSD files, because the software is gone.
This is very different from regular software because if you cant afford to upgrade, you can still use the old version you have to open your files. With CC, if you stop subscribing you lose access to all work you created.
Judy/Paul, Ok, interesting point, I have not yet downloaded the latest version of photoshop (I have the cloud subscription). In most cases, software providers allow you to save your files in an older compatible format – is this not the case this time?
To all in this thread:
1) There has always been unreliable compatibility between files and programs *divided by years*…for obvious reasons. CC in no way exacerbates that inevitability.
2) To claim that one won’t have access in the manner explained requires:
i.) that one refuses to convert their files into another standard, leaving them not only in the Adobe formats, but in their layers-intact-and-all editable Adobe states, for future (wait for it) *Adobe editing*…meaning they want to continue to use Adobe on these projects into the future.
ii.) that this same person has cancelled their membership, deciding not to use Adobe anymore.
…these are clearly contradictory positions, and this is why I said I cannot think of even a contrived scenario wherein this makes coherent sense.
3) In a membership world you could, assuming point 1 doesn’t get you [again, nothing new], join on-the-fly for that random month that you suddenly want to access previous files anyway. Nothing (but point 1) would stop you from on-the-fly reverting your position.
4) CC does not require that you update. You can both install a parallel copy of CC apps to those you already purchased the traditional way (nothing lost or even changed) or, as a new customer, simply keep one version of CC from updating. It is true that you may not be able to continue that practice indefinitely, but by the point that a given update becomes mandatory…we are already back to point 1.
Pardon bit it really sounds like you are coming directly from adobe. Otherwise I can not understand why someone would be that narrow-minded. Adobe hopefully will learn it the hard way. I will keep my two CS6 master collection licenses I bought but will no longer upgrape. For Raw conversions I will switch to capture one pro or dxo optics pro. For video cutting there are plenty of solutions as well as for audio work Edius, Sony, Apple etc. For layout work I could upgrade to the newest quark xpress. For graphics work there are also alternatives to photoshop even if I will have a hard time learning gimp and others. But maybe non-adobe software will make now a big leap forward thanks to this Adobe cloud BS. I really hope so. Adobe shouldn’t be too shure. I complained by e-mail to every adobe address I could find on the net and will do it again soon.
I think you are working an awfully hard to try to integrate some good products in a workflow that (depending on what you do) will become quite messy, but sure, this is a way to go.
“Narrow-minded”…followed by not even a token argument. You’ve…failed to ‘widen’ my view.
Well, donating for GIMP.org might have been a good idea to have an alternative.
I will pay gimp to die. Its crap hasn’t been seriously update in a decade. you are better off paying corel for paint shop pro or whatever they call it now. I haven’t used it in a decade either but it was good a decade ago. http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4900067
I think the student price $19/month is a great deal. It’s cheaper than its current full price.
How so? Currently an educational version of CS6 costs less than $600, each year or two Adobe would release an major update release. That means if you wanna upgrade your release, you need to pay maybe $200 or so to upgrade your current version.
Now of you only pays $19 a month, a year would only cost you $228 a year. Saying you used for 2 years, you paid $456, then the following year you get updates of the Adobe CC right in your subscription. If you use it for 4 years, you only pay $912. Yet if its a buy out of the box condition, you might have paid more than 2 upgrade releases which might cost you more than $1000.
Therefore I think subscription based is actually cheaper…
(All prices based on an estimation of the student and teachers edition of Adobe Cs6 and CC)
Absolutely right. And don’t forget that true professionals will be able to use that money not paid upfront to create still more money…meaning in the *years* it takes for monthly payments to catch-up they’ve already surpassed the mounting costs with mounting profits.
People who are against the CC business model…have frustrated me greatly with their myopic, knee-jerk reaction.
Absolutely right. And don’t forget that true professionals will be able to use that money not paid upfront to create still more money…meaning in the *years* it takes for monthly payments to catch-up they’ve already surpassed the mounting costs with mounting profits.
People who are against the CC business model…have frustrated me greatly with their myopic, knee-jerk reaction.
Its not knee jerk to know that if you don’ t pay at some point for whatever reason you CAN NOT IN ANYWAY touch your files. so know when they get everyone locked in and they jack the price to $100 a month and you don’t want to play anymore. Kiss your files good bye. Sure you can save flattened files and whatever. You won’t be opening anything with say Smart layers or smart filters in a layered file though.
Read my comment above regarding the twin ‘requirements’ of I-want-access-to-Adobe-Samrt-Layers and I-don’t-want-to-use-Adobe-and-so-have-canceled-my-membership.
I mean…seriously? That isn’t knee-jerk? Did you even think two steps past what you said?
Brandon S, please, don’t pretend not to understand that _very_ simple difference between retail software and a cloud subscription…
The whole point of having a retail copy of a software package is that you pay for it once – and once you pay for it, you own the copy and can use it indefinitely… of course, you can choose to upgrade your package if an upgrade becomes available or you can choose to stay at your purchased version – it’s up to you – the point is, you have spent money when you could afford it and you are guaranteed that (provided the you also still have the appropriate version of an operating system) you’ll be able to use that software now, in a year from now, or in ten years from now to be able to edit YOUR OWN work…
With cloud subscription, you don’t have that option. You never own a copy of a software package – instead, you pay for a dubious privilege of being able to use it when you have a current subscription. Once you stop paying (yes, you might decide you can no longer afford that), you LOSE the abiliy to edit your own work. Which you never do with a retail package.
So, I ask you humbly again, please, don’t pretend you don’t understand that VERY BASIC difference. And just once in a while, TRY to listen to what people say instead of just repeating the same song again and again…
Yours,
An Photoshop User.
It’s not sad, they can do whatever they want with their blog! If you don’t like the post, just ignore them. You have no right to tell them what to do since you have not contributed anything here! So bugger off~
-1 !
just hit the ‘rumours’ button on the top and stop bothering. I think it’s just fair that admin gets paid for what he does.
Thansk tony for the quick answer 🙂
I own a PS CS6 and it’s got more functionality than I’ll ever need! No more upgrades for me.
IMHO most “independent” users of Photoshop won’t fall for this new “rent” policy!
I can’t stand lightroom’s junky interface and performance. Good riddance to Adobe CS & Lightroom.
Welcome Phase One, DxO?
You could continue to use CS6 if you want but eventually it will become void of any new ACR updates so you won’t be able to use a new camera natively. Although there’s always the option to convert the RAW files to DNG…
Hey, entitled guy, you have someone’s work in front of you, for free. How about skipping the entry, rather than shoving your daily frustration in everyone’s eyes?
+1
Vlad gets this so right.
I support Vlad’s message.
+1 to Vlad!
-1 don’t get what Vlad is on; we are entitled to our opinions in some what says is a flawed model and £20 per month is expensive especially it is likely it will go up every year in line of inflation, etc.
There are really some Adobe fanboys here today.
+1 !
I think the point of people here is that if you are an amateur, you may not need the pro photoshop, and if you really do, you have a great interest in this, and probably spend a good amount of money on this hobby, so it should be feasible to find the money somehow. If you are truly a professional (not one that just likes to call himself one, but one that makes real money on it), the cost is very low.
Lucas
The problem is that eventually you will upgrade to a new operating system that may not support CS6.
Exactly. Adobe’s been messing with us for years – and now this creative cloud dollar grab. It’s all a show. Trouble is, I ran out of popcorn and the movie sucks.
How would it be Adobe’s fault if a new OS doesn’t support their work? Did you even grasp the comment you commented on?
Adobe Fanboy much?
No. I defend good ideas against bad ideas, that is all.
I prefer Aperture to Lightroom, but I’ll defend the CC concept against poor argument.
I prefer Android to iPhone, but I’ll accept that Android fragmentation is a severe problem.
I overall prefer NEX to Fuji X-System, and I vote with my wallet, but I’ll accept that [for now] X-mount trumps E-mount in absolute IQ.
I defend what is sound reasoning against what is poorly reasoned. Period.
Any software will eventually be unusable, for a variety of reasons. Adobe offers two alternatives;
a) buy the software, then upgrades
b) pay for a subscription and always have up to date software
While I agree both can seem expensive for the hobbyist (I am one myself), if we want these features it costs, or you can go with the lower versions of their software or competitors.
For professionals, paying $50/month to get the full package and be able to run it on two computers, it is really a steal.
I have to correct myself as photoshop is only available as a subscription going forward. One less option then. Still prefer subscription but understand some people are disappointed.
Apology accepted 😉
No you can simply move to an alternative and if customers moved away from Photoshop and support a couple of alternatives like Corel products then over time these products will become more and more popular; move users buying their products and more good features going into their product.
Atlasman
That may happen, but IMHO it may take some years…! Today I can still run 3-4 years old PS versions on Win7. Anyway, I’ve already been using Silkypix Pro ( now v.5 ) for RAW conversion ( IMO better than ACR ) for over 4 years and I’m sure I won’t need much time to get adjusted to a new Photo Editor. I’m testing Photo Ninja, Corel PaintShop Pro X5, GIMP and others.
I will not use Adobe products anymore after my CS5 will become too old. Or maybe even sooner in facto just to show my support to anothe software manufacturer… I’ve found that Serif Photoplus X6 is a perfect replacement. Sometimes even more comfortable… And it’s cost is ALOT less. So I am going that way.
I have been using Adobe products for quite a while, so let’s say that I’m kind of tied to their products, using Premiere to edit my feature film, Lightroom to gather my stills and Photoshop for just about everything. That said, competition is always good. I think that the subscription model is a good one, enabling software manufacturers to roll out new features and apps without needing to sell them (as required by law). I guess with enough drop in sales Adobe will lower their prices much in the same way that some cameras we know had a sharp drop in price and extra bargain pricing.
Would that “required by law” thing apply to RAW converter updates then?
No, the law doesn’t apply to new formats support and CS6 will be updated in the near future. As far as I can tell from the last update, the CC RAW update is actually code-shared with CS6.
What are you going to do when you miss a payment or you can’t get the new Lic for the month because you are on location somewhere with no internet? Just not do the job?
My CC subscription check/lease renewal only happens every 99 days, I doubt I’ll ever be webless for that period of time.
You never know; an emergency stay in Hospital; lost of Job; loss of utilities on your travels / your work – due to economic woes; natural forces, e.g., Hurricane, etc.
PS…Your Hurricane scenario is the ‘best’ you had. If he is months in the hospital…how much photography is he doing? If he is out-of-work so much he can’t afford even these monthly fees…it isn’t that subscription that is wrecking his business–it’s already at near zero.
You’re suggesting that he might fall victim to a Hurricane which would decimate his lifestyle so badly he cannot even reach an internet connection for over 99 days…but that his business/photography hobby would somehow remain unimpacted, such that the only bottle-neck to his continuos photo-output would be this lack of Adobe?
…And would photography even be his ‘big worry’ at that point? How about staying alive?
Adobe might best reinsert their cloud back where the sun doesn’t shine
I hate this business model as service especially if it’s too much money. And Fireworks will not developed further. Time to break the PS monopoly. Who cares about adobe cloud!
This is interesting. I thought that Adobe was discontinuing CS6 and its “perpetual licenses” and was only going sell subscriptions for Creative Cloud going forward.
But then I just saw this on their website:
“For how long will Adobe continue to sell Creative Suite 6? We plan to sell Creative Suite 6 for use on supported platforms indefinitely.”
Am I wrong or is Adobe backing off from their CC-only policy?
That statement is on their CS6 FAQ page here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/cs6/faq.edu.html#upgrade-eligibility
Ok so, the monthly fee seems adequate to me, given the fact that these instruments are made for those people who want to have them available anywhere anytime.
But… 20 dollars in the US, which given the actual rates would be a little less than 15 Euros, magically became 25 euros in Italy? What the heck? It’s bad enough the famous 1:1 dollar:euro conversion, this is even worse? How is it even possible such a difference in price, we would end up paying over 50% more for the exact same thing!
That has a lot to do with the fact that there is 21% IVA and taxes in Europe are way higher to support all those employees that have 6 weeks of paid holidays per year and 13 paid salaries when they work less than 11 months a year.
If you did not think about it last time you voted, think about it next time.
What people abroad laugh on our italian faces is about the above not the bunga, bunga.
I quit that country a long ago and never been happier.
Ok so why in, let’s say, Germany and France the price is exactly the same?
I’m not saying the political class in Italy is not the worse, just that in this case there are other reasons.
-1 to whoever disagrees with the majority 8)
I am happily still using CS3, as that was the last edition that dreamweaver supported ASP.NET. If they bring .NET support back, then I might consider upgrading.
No more Photoshop for me… I will keep CS6 forever… I will not pay monthly fees for software and encourage others to have the same mentality… Corporate America is constantly trying to sell you less for me… When will this end? If you allow this to happen every software maker will go this route… Don’t pay these monthly prices like you so happily pay high gas prices. Adobe is going this route because they are not adding any additions worth upgrading for… Tell me, what do you need to do to an image that cant be done in CS6???
For those who think that for us professionals is bargain, you need to tink it over again.
the old upgrades were at about 50% the costs than what a 2 years of subscription will cost. For any package you are choosing from.
I could upgrade PS at 199$ or the full suite for about 900 bucks.
I have been PS user since 1996 version 4. I had to pay only 199$ to upgrade every 18/24 months and only if I wanted to.
this is a large price increase.
All those cracks and keygen that are going around on the torrents sites, will flourish.
Then, no offense you are not really a professional because;
a) you clearly don’t make anywhere enough money on your work that relies on these products
b) professionals would not consider pirating their software.
Reply does nor work correct anymore? No indentation? … ok…
David +1!
Kevin -1!
Perspective. Something you’d think all photographers should have. Many on here are lacking it seems. Fact is, almost everyone over the age of 21 farts away multiples of $20 per month on innumerable things they can’t even remember. Let alone the many monthly subscription services and other outlays we have for things that aren’t really necessary.
For a pro photographer, even $100 per user is very reasonable for one of their most important tools. The cost of a week’s travel to work? The electricity to power a couple of big PCs, several big monitors, lights etc. all day every day won’t be far off either. Plus, as someone pointed out, renting rather than buying expensive assets is much more capital-efficient. THAT cost (let alone $20) is cheaper than a lot of per-seat business software.
I’m far from wealthy and am amateur at best, but I am a grown-up. If I had the time to use Photoshop, I’d drop $20 in an instant and, if I had to, fart once less often.
And I have to say it as many wise souls here already have. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it. But please grow some perspective.